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00:55:44 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's xororand!
00:56:14 <xororand> Monty, me matey!
00:56:14 <Monty> Tell me more about that.
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01:09:57 <Monty> howdy, Cutout
01:09:57 <Monty> welcome, nicomen
01:09:57 <Monty> hi sbp
01:10:01 <clsn> what're you still doing up, sbp?
01:10:14 <Cutout> Go on.
01:16:42 * MoiraA_ is still up too
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01:32:54 <nicomen> thanks
01:37:12 <MoiraA> hello, back
01:37:27 <MoiraA> haven't sat up this late for a while
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01:52:39 <thelsdj> Additionally, I've been told that Steve Carell informed NBC he is unable to report to work because he is suffering from “enlarged balls.” Not just enlarged, I'd say, but brass ones. The source on this one adds, "We wish him a happy, slow recovery."
01:52:48 <thelsdj> - http://unitedhollywood.blogspot.com/2007/11/office-down-for-good.html
01:54:58 <MoiraA> ah someone still up!
01:56:25 <MoiraA> had my website torn apart by professional designers :_)
01:56:25 <MoiraA> they gave me a link to a validator and I find it hard to believe it works with all the apparent errors
01:56:31 <MoiraA> thing is, I'm not that interested in websites, but I must admit mine is starting to look very 1990s
01:56:46 <MoiraA> I think I'll look for someone who can redesign the index page for me
01:56:58 <MoiraA> obviously I'd pay the going rate
01:57:11 <MoiraA> so if you know of somewhere I could go, let me know
01:57:28 <MoiraA> I just need someone enthusiastic with knowlege of CSS and xhtml
01:57:34 <MoiraA> and html
01:57:54 <MoiraA> who has artistic talent
01:58:12 <MoiraA> and I would give full credit and recognition to anyone who redesigned it
01:58:13 <thelsdj> yea i got someone to do one for me for free, and i haven't even used it yet, i should get on that
01:58:25 <MoiraA> as well as a reasonable rate of p-ay
01:58:39 <thelsdj> this person has dissapeared from the internet, or i'd forward you to them
01:58:40 <MoiraA> I'm very happy to pay for the skills I'll be taking advantage of
01:58:54 <MoiraA> ah that's a pity
01:59:12 <MoiraA> I know I could learn how to do it myself, but I've just got other ways I want to spend my time
01:59:40 <MoiraA> however, I also want a site that's halfway decent - I already pay a company to check for downtime and broken links
01:59:42 <thelsdj> i would suggest oswd.org
01:59:47 <MoiraA> so it all works and is up to date
01:59:57 <MoiraA> I'll investigate
02:00:06 <MoiraA> the site is www.moiraatkinson.co.uk
02:00:09 <MoiraA> it just needs a facelift
02:00:35 <MoiraA> Ive never used software to design it,I've just written the html myself which shows :)
02:00:45 <MoiraA> and learned javascript as necessary
02:01:06 <MoiraA> it's satisfying but in today's world, it isn't good enough
02:01:36 <MoiraA> I'm afraid I put a php script on the index page preventing people looking at it from work
02:03:25 <MoiraA> thanks I've bookmarked that site, it looks very promising
02:03:32 <MoiraA> I'm just amazed it's all free
02:03:49 <MoiraA> perhaps I could make a donation - I don't believe in taking and not giving anything back
02:04:40 <thelsdj> yea i used one of those years ago for an old site of mine
02:05:09 <MoiraA> presumably you download a template and add your own stuff?
02:05:21 <MoiraA> then upload it to the server that hosts the site?
02:05:54 <MoiraA> I hope I can insert php scripts - not so many to slow it down, but I do want the power to prevent certain people seeing it
02:06:16 <MoiraA> I picked up a stalker once who had 2,500 page views each day
02:06:23 <MoiraA> used all my bandwidth
02:06:42 <thelsdj> yea, its basically just an hhtml/css template that you can do with what you want
02:06:42 <MoiraA> annoyingly, his ISP (telewest) weren't at all helpful
02:06:52 <MoiraA> I know Im an adult etc, but it was very creepy
02:07:23 <thelsdj> how much control of your server do you have?
02:07:31 <MoiraA> this guy started emailing me my articles back with certain changes
02:07:49 <thelsdj> haha
02:07:50 <MoiraA> well, I can upload stuff and put on the server what I want
02:08:19 <MoiraA> but it's hosted by a friend who went into web hosting and I've stayed loyal to him because he gave me my first two years free
02:08:32 <thelsdj> thats nice
02:08:38 <MoiraA> he's there if I want him but never interfers
02:08:52 <MoiraA> saying that, I wouldn't upload anything that could be objected to
02:09:00 <thelsdj> phenny: tell sbp about new zero punctuation review: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2608-Zero-Punctuation-Zelda-Phantom-Hourglass
02:09:02 <phenny> thelsdj: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
02:09:12 <MoiraA> I'd never put software, music or gruelling videos on the site
02:09:44 <MoiraA> he knows he can trust me - the server supports php which is a plus
02:09:57 <MoiraA> I can't access more than my own folders though
02:10:02 <MoiraA> I wouldn't expect to be able to
02:10:23 <MoiraA> do you think I should have more control?
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02:13:12 <thelsdj> i think you have enough control for what you want to do with it
02:19:44 <MoiraA> really it's just a place I can put a bit of family news on and some photos for relatives overseas
02:19:55 <MoiraA> and I can also sound off about something that annoys me
02:20:03 <MoiraA> and I can practice writing some html
02:20:10 <MoiraA> that's all I want it for
02:20:22 <MoiraA> but I accept that nowadays it needs more than that
02:20:28 <MoiraA> so I'll go for it
02:32:18 <MoiraA> anyone around?
02:32:22 <MoiraA> thelsdj
02:32:30 <MoiraA> is msn working for you?
02:32:40 <MoiraA> I'm getting an error and it won't connect
02:32:50 <MoiraA> just wondered if it was me or msn at fault
02:38:39 <thelsdj> checking
02:38:43 <thelsdj> i think i'm on msn right now
02:38:53 <MoiraA> oh dammit
02:38:58 <MoiraA> must be vista
02:39:12 <thelsdj> or could be using a different set of servers
02:39:21 <MoiraA> I'll have to reboot but will finish this email
02:39:28 <MoiraA> a reboot may well solve it
02:39:46 <thelsdj> yea vista is kinda weird about network stuff
02:39:58 <MoiraA> I've never rebooted so much as since I got vista
02:40:08 <MoiraA> the pc running xp pro never gets rebooted
02:40:50 <MoiraA> I admire people who are strong enough not to have to get the latest in everything and learn how to use linux
02:41:16 <MoiraA> they just need an average PC and have far more time to spend learning something useful like programming
02:41:24 <thelsdj> its helpful when you have a mentor, someone who can answer all your little questions and physically there on hand to fix things
02:41:51 <MoiraA> yes - I have someone who can help with hardware
02:42:08 <MoiraA> he really enjoys it so I always involve him with my rebuilds
02:42:16 <MoiraA> he does a lot of the hard work, sourcing the parts
02:42:40 <MoiraA> and I pay him generously, I'd hate people to think I was using them
02:42:49 <thelsdj> i still go to my dads once a year to install latest linux for him
02:42:53 <ido> poopjockey
02:43:05 <MoiraA> if I want that kind of service I shouldn't expect people to give it for nothing
02:43:14 <MoiraA> your dad uses linux?
02:43:21 <MoiraA> good for him
02:43:27 <MoiraA> my dad uses xp :)
02:43:34 <MoiraA> he's very set in his ways but he is 81
02:43:39 <thelsdj> ya, he's been running it for about 5-6 years, but for the first few i was living with him
02:43:51 <thelsdj> i got my dad on linux after he hit 60 :)
02:44:01 <MoiraA> he's learnt how to do what he wants on the computer and has actually mastered some complicated spreadsheets
02:44:10 <MoiraA> I'd love to dual boot this
02:44:29 <MoiraA> what I'm going to do is install a virtual machine and see if it will run ubuntu
02:44:47 <thelsdj> ya good idea, you can get prebuild vmware player images
02:45:11 <MoiraA> I failed to dual boot, the boot program just wouldn't work
02:45:27 <MoiraA> boot program is wrong - it's late :)
02:45:32 <MoiraA> grub
02:45:50 <MoiraA> it just woudn't see vista and vista wouldn't see ubunty
02:45:54 <MoiraA> *ubuntu
02:45:59 <thelsdj> http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1068
02:46:01 <thelsdj> doh
02:46:18 <thelsdj> i have lots of computers for work so i don't dual boot much
02:46:34 <MoiraA> I actually downloaded something called parallels
02:46:47 <MoiraA> I successfully dual booted my laptop with suse and xp
02:47:07 <MoiraA> installed suse first
02:47:14 <MoiraA> or did I? maybe xp first
02:47:20 <MoiraA> anyway it worked a treat
02:47:32 <thelsdj> the nice thing about vmware player is there are a bunch of prebuilt OSs, i gave you the link for latest ubuntu
02:47:36 <MoiraA> I got samba working and could acces files on the linux partition on this windows pc
02:47:40 <thelsdj> here is the download for vmware player: http://www.vmware.com/download/player/
02:48:14 <MoiraA> right that's all bookmarked
02:48:33 <MoiraA> I failed first time round with vmware but I'll give it another go
02:48:41 <MoiraA> I just think vista is awkward
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02:48:50 <thelsdj> yea that it is
02:48:53 <MoiraA> it doesn't want to share with any other OS
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02:49:22 <thelsdj> .wik .bi
02:49:23 <MoiraA> ideally I'd use ubuntu and just boot into windows when I wanted to work on office or visual studio
02:49:25 <phenny> ".bi is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Burundi." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.bi
02:49:38 <thelsdj> k.thnx.bi would be even cooler than k.thnx.org
02:49:46 <MoiraA> I might as well stick with vb since I know a bit ot it
02:49:58 <thelsdj> i think mono now supports VB
02:50:29 <MoiraA> I just work on office 2003 as I don't know any job that would want office 2007 skills
02:50:35 <MoiraA> mono?
02:51:00 <MoiraA> is that like an emulator?
02:51:15 <MoiraA> I've experimented with wine without much success
02:51:17 <thelsdj> no, its an open source replacement for MS C#/.Net
02:51:31 <MoiraA> but I did get to grips very nicely with suse
02:51:34 <MoiraA> right
02:51:55 <thelsdj> but now besides C# it supports writing in VB.Net
02:52:23 <thelsdj> also for office, have you tried OpenOffice?
02:52:45 <MoiraA> well, anything that converts into MSIL would work
02:52:47 <MoiraA> thought it's strange to think of using vb in a linux environment since it isn't cross platform
02:52:47 <MoiraA> I really wish I'd learnt python or something
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02:53:10 <MoiraA> yes
02:53:19 <MoiraA> it's very good
02:53:31 <MoiraA> unfortunately jobs usually want MS skills
02:53:41 <MoiraA> and it's the MS exams I've done
02:54:02 <MoiraA> so I feel I need to keep on top of the advanced features so I don't forget them
02:54:19 <MoiraA> that's how I ended up getting into vb
02:54:26 <MoiraA> I learnt vb for applications
02:54:30 <thelsdj> right
02:54:51 <MoiraA> just progressed as far as the office apps would go
02:54:57 <MoiraA> I particularly liked Access
02:55:04 <MoiraA> pity it's not used :)
02:55:36 <MoiraA> I could work in the vb window and do all sorts and got to know some SQL but even that isn't proper SQL from what I gather
02:55:44 <MoiraA> everything I learn becomes obsolete
02:56:13 <MoiraA> still, once you learn any programming it's much easier to master another language
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03:15:25 <Monty> hey swhacker
03:15:25 <Monty> bah, it's chandler again
03:15:25 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's troworld!
03:15:25 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's thelsdj!
03:15:25 <Monty> yo JibbyBot!
03:15:25 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's xavier!
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03:15:38 <MoiraA> need to reboot, brb
03:15:42 <MoiraA> lo ido_
03:15:48 <MoiraA> brb
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03:42:52 <Monty> yo jsled!
03:42:52 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's karamba38!
03:42:54 <Monty> But what does xavier have to do with the price of fish?
03:42:55 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
03:42:55 <Monty> huhu
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03:45:03 <Monty> Thank goodness, ido_ is back!
03:45:04 <kpreid> Monty the netsplittee
03:45:05 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
03:45:05 <Monty> model :P
03:45:09 <Monty> You see, UCOL chewy cellar stalks orange expostulatory sexual history?!
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03:52:14 <ido> that's better
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04:01:22 <patbam> mlorp
04:01:49 <thelsdj> prolm
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04:05:29 <Monty> hey deltab
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04:16:19 <D8pod> hello!?
04:17:00 <thelsdj> Hello!!?!
04:17:12 <D8pod> Hello
04:17:22 <thelsdj> elloH
04:18:16 <D8pod> )
04:18:42 <thelsdj> (
04:18:44 <D8pod> Nota: parenthesis break safari
04:18:51 <thelsdj> woops
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04:19:09 <D8pod> In summary: the gay
04:19:47 <D8pod> Not just a gay either. The gay.
04:19:54 <thelsdj> that is sad
04:20:16 <D8pod> Totally. Anyways, what be up
04:20:36 <thelsdj> the up be what!
04:20:38 <thelsdj> er
04:20:53 <thelsdj> i'm going to buy a 30ft cthulhu avatar in second life
04:21:06 <D8pod> Buy?
04:21:27 <thelsdj> actually just going to go look at it right now, but may buy it
04:21:44 <D8pod> How much?
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04:23:17 <D8pod> Too much?
04:23:37 <thelsdj> probably around 7k, going to be a limited item, 10 sold and customized
04:24:01 <D8pod> Way too much. Seriously
04:24:44 <D8pod> Only people like me have that kinda fake cash r
04:25:36 <thelsdj> or me, when i'm willing to splurge
04:25:55 <thelsdj> ha, just realized i have 18k right now
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04:26:11 <D8pod> I play that game pretty much every spare second I have. Seeing how I'm never on shows how mujh free time I have
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04:26:32 <D8pod> Brb, walk to bus stop time
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04:39:53 <Monty> Thank goodness, trotek is back!
04:39:54 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
04:39:55 <Monty> As well :) I'm the Nokia seems funny.
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04:41:25 <Monty> welcome, Tene
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04:42:29 <Arnia> damn mouse is in my room
04:42:37 * Arnia kicks things to drive it out
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04:44:01 <KragenSitaker> .ety sutra
04:44:04 <phenny> "'series of aphorisms,' 1801, from Skt. sutram 'rule,' lit. 'string, thread' (as a measure of straightness), from sivyati 'sew;' cognate with L. suere 'to sew' (see sew)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=sutra
04:44:51 <KragenSitaker> My pillow?
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05:01:19 <Arnia> KragenSitaker: NO YUO
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05:22:42 <Monty> hi cre8radix|off
05:34:30 <thelsdj> http://www.technologyreview.com/printer_friendly_article.aspx?id=19533
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06:00:21 <Monty> yo CaptSolo!
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06:30:24 <Monty> howdy, loggy
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06:43:53 <Monty> welcome, bpt
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06:45:11 <Monty> hi clsn, how ya doing?
06:45:13 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
06:45:22 <Monty> IS this sort of... it may have that all black, and a message... damn, only good things running all reactions are all I cannot come I still quite frankly, bugger it a soft little
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06:59:10 <Monty> it's Jabberwo1k!
06:59:11 <Monty> howdy, JibbyBot
06:59:13 <Monty> hi xavier
06:59:14 <Monty> lo aspect_
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07:03:44 <perigrin> lolpipz, talk to me
07:03:58 <perigrin> monty you try
07:03:58 <Monty> my=mine
07:04:05 <perigrin> .ety time
07:04:05 <lolpipz> perigrin: R YU STAR TREK FAN?
07:04:07 <phenny> "O.E. getimian 'to happen, befall,' from time (n.)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=time
07:04:50 * perigrin finds he prefers 3 different monospaced fonts for 3 different contexts ... hmm
07:13:19 * Arnia pokes perigrin
07:13:25 <perigrin> ouch
07:13:39 <Arnia> Have you heard the new Doctor Who soundtrack yet?
07:14:36 <perigrin> I have not ...
07:14:48 <perigrin> Though I saw you mention it earlier
07:15:39 * perigrin wonders why his mac has suddenly decided to not mount dmg's
07:16:22 <perigrin> methinks perhaps it is time to restart
07:20:16 * perigrin will return in a moment
07:27:30 <perigrin> bettah now
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07:29:41 <perigrin> .weather mco
07:29:43 <perigrin> bah
07:29:46 <perigrin> .weather kmco
07:29:53 <phenny> Scattered, 53.6℉ (12℃), 30.06in (1015mb), Gentle breeze 7kt (↑) - KMCO 2:53, 0753Z
07:31:09 <Arnia_> The new one is good
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08:03:00 <sbp> yo
08:03:02 <phenny> sbp: 02:39Z <thelsdj> tell sbp about new zero punctuation review: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2608-Zero-Punctuation-Zelda-Phantom-Hourglass
08:13:23 <sbp> awesome
08:13:26 <sbp> phenny: tell thelsdj thanks!
08:13:29 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when thelsdj is around.
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08:13:36 <Monty> But what does JibberJim have to do with the price of fish?
08:13:38 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
08:13:40 <Monty> Please don't depend on swings :(
08:14:04 <thelsdj> phenny: tell sbp yw
08:14:06 <phenny> thelsdj: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
08:14:09 <phenny> thelsdj: 08:43Z <sbp> tell thelsdj thanks!
08:15:04 <sbp> 'k
08:15:06 <phenny> sbp: 08:44Z <thelsdj> tell sbp yw
08:16:58 <thelsdj> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/11/encrypted-e-mai.html
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08:22:51 <thelsdj> haha nygirlofmydreams
08:22:52 <thelsdj> was found
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08:41:23 <_bjoern> "A sexy swing of the hips may attract admiring glances, but it is not a covert sign a woman is ready to breed, according to researchers. " - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7082704.stm
08:43:06 <JibberJim> the girls keep their legs together when most fertile - seems weird!
08:43:41 <JibberJim> but what do I know about girls
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08:49:30 <_bjoern> .t -5
08:49:32 <phenny> Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:19:53 -5
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09:09:39 <sbp> _bjoern! Happy United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 Anniversary!
09:10:05 <_bjoern> It's the fifth! Yay!
09:10:09 <_bjoern> thx omg !!
09:10:23 * sbp chuckles at http://nygirlofmydreams.com/
09:10:28 <sbp> no more updates though T_T
09:10:32 <sbp> _bjoern: ㋡
09:12:44 <darobin> happy _bjoern day everyone!
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10:07:01 <_bjoern> not much news today.
10:11:19 <darobin> I nevertheless would like to congratulate our Belgian friends on demonstrating the usefulness of government so clearly
10:12:00 <_bjoern> are we 150 days now?
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10:12:40 <darobin> today starts the 151st
10:13:00 <darobin> with no signs of progress, in fact rather the contrary
10:13:04 * perigrin waves at darobin
10:13:08 <darobin> perigrin!
10:13:21 * perigrin should be sleeping though
10:15:52 <darobin> mmmm, German banking crooks seem to lack ambition — stealing from kids?
10:16:59 <_bjoern> Life is difficult here, we can't just set California on fire to get out of the subprime crisis.
10:18:16 <_bjoern> "While confidence in government has increased modestly in recent years, the public is increasingly suspicious of itself; in the most recent Pew Values Survey, fewer than six-in-ten (57%) say they have a good deal of confidence in the wisdom of the American people when it comes to making political decisions" - http://news.yahoo.com/s/pew/20071107/ts_pew/57decliningconfidenceinpoliticalwisdomofamericans
10:19:59 <_bjoern> "Sometimes the music was American rap, sometimes Arab folk songs. In the CIA prison in Afghanistan, it came blaring through the speakers 24 hours a day. Prisoners held alone inside barbed-wire cages could only speak to each other and exchange their news when the music stopped: if the tape was changed or the generators broke down." - http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/11/cia-rendition-t.html
10:20:20 <_bjoern> that's cruel, but working, see: "Under torture after his rendition to Egypt, al Libi had provided a confession of how Saddam Hussein had been training al Qaeda in chemical weapons. This evidence was used by Colin Powell at the United Nations a year earlier"
10:21:17 <_bjoern> '''But now, hearing how the information was obtained, the CIA was soon to retract all this intelligence. A Feb. 5 cable records that al Libi was told by a "foreign government service" (Egypt) that: "the next topic was al-Qa'ida's connections with Iraq...This was a subject about which he said he knew nothing and had difficulty even coming up with a story."'''
10:24:52 <darobin> 60% of Americans believe other Americans can make good political decisions? that's appalingly high!
10:25:47 <_bjoern> Well "can" I would not dispute so readily...
10:27:45 <_bjoern> "Al Libi indicated that his interrogators did not like his responses and then "placed him in a small box approximately 50cm X 50cm [20 inches x 20 inches]." He claimed he was held in the box for approximately 17 hours."
10:29:55 <_bjoern> http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/rendition701/video/video_index.html#reactions is pretty telling though
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10:35:07 <_bjoern> "At least he wasn't waterboarded." from the abc blog comments
10:36:31 <darobin> mmmm, waterboarding or spending 17h in a 50/50/50 box? tough call really
10:37:11 <sbp> they said 50 x 50!
10:37:25 <sbp> if it was 20 inches *cubed*, would he fit?
10:37:42 <sbp> 50 * 50 * anything would be quite bad enough
10:37:54 <_bjoern> Reminds me of the confused interrogators calling in daily asking "we can do x and we can do y, but is it legal to combine them???"
10:38:01 <sbp> heh, yeah
10:38:41 <_bjoern> (/me got that from http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/view/ )
10:40:17 <sbp> waterboarding might be the highest fun-name:evil-act ratio ever
10:41:48 <Talliesin> Loreal have a product called "Derma Genesis".
10:41:59 <_bjoern> .wik Water cure
10:42:02 <phenny> "Water cure (also known as water torture) is a form of torture which is intended to make the subject feel the sensation of drowning." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cure
10:42:08 <Talliesin> Which when you think about it should mean it causes spontaneous growths of skin.
10:42:19 <Talliesin> So it's like face-cankers in a can.
10:42:25 <Talliesin> "Because you're worth it".
10:44:25 <sbp> but... water is essential. why would you want to be cured of it?
10:44:30 <sbp> so waterboarding is still the more fun name
10:45:57 <_bjoern> Makes me think of surfboarding really
10:46:10 <sbp> yeah
10:46:23 <sbp> well, it makes me think of windsurfing for some unexplained reason
10:46:36 <sbp> w* plus the connotations perhaps
10:49:47 <sbp> whoo, I have query and isomorphism working
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11:07:24 <sbp> will have to do fun stuff like flexible canonicalisation at some point, probably
11:07:36 <sbp> that's going to be such a bastard
11:09:26 <sbp> ooh, and -
11:09:38 <sbp> diff = P - Q
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11:10:33 <sbp> for that I guess I have to get all subgraphs and then query 'em... hmm
11:10:47 <sbp> though I suppose there are grounding optimisations
11:10:52 <sbp> since I can just query ground graphs easily
11:11:01 <sbp> it only has to be var-connected subgraphs
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11:12:38 <sbp> I guess for an actual diff you want:
11:12:38 <sbp> def diff(A, B):
11:12:38 <sbp> added = B - A
11:12:38 <sbp> removed = A - B
11:12:38 <sbp> return added, removed
11:13:07 <sbp> A.diff(B)?
11:13:34 <sbp> probably best to return the order removed, added, too
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12:10:35 <_bjoern> .t -5
12:10:37 <phenny> Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:41:05 -5
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12:31:34 <_bjoern> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2207235,00.html
12:31:39 <phenny> _bjoern: Former IRA leader charged with tax evasion | The Guardian | Guardian Unlimited
12:32:43 <_bjoern> "More than one in five Germans would like to see the Berlin Wall rebuilt, a study published to coincide with the 18th anniversary of its fall shows." -