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00:38:06 <Arnia> I can't recommend this column enough by the way; http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/TWF.html
00:41:01 <_bjoern> .t EST
00:41:04 <phenny> Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:18:51 EST
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01:09:01 <Arnia> Oh Mathematics, you are a beautiful but cold mistress!
01:09:15 <_bjoern> You need to get out more.
01:09:59 *** _bjoern changed the topic to: "Happy International Students Day"
01:10:02 <Arnia> I just love how everything glues together
01:10:42 <KragenSitaker> no, _bjoern. people who get out too much get distracted from the good things in life.
01:10:47 <KragenSitaker> Like mathematics.
01:21:17 <KragenSitaker> .cp smili
01:21:19 <KragenSitaker> .cp smile
01:21:19 <phenny> 263A: WHITE SMILING FACE (☺)
01:21:21 <phenny> 2323: SMILE (⌣)
01:21:22 <phenny> 263B: BLACK SMILING FACE (☻)
01:21:48 <KragenSitaker> .cp with stamp
01:21:50 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'with stamp'.
01:21:56 <KragenSitaker> .cp stamp
01:21:58 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'stamp'.
01:22:05 <KragenSitaker> .cp face
01:22:06 <phenny> 1366: ETHIOPIC PREFACE COLON (፦)
01:22:09 <phenny> 222F: SURFACE INTEGRAL (∯)
01:22:12 <phenny> 2639: WHITE FROWNING FACE (☹) [...]
01:27:59 <therethinker> Does anyone know the IRC channel for the X server?
01:28:04 <therethinker> its not X... or Xserver :P
01:28:21 <therethinker> ... got it, xorg
01:28:21 <Arnia> therethinker: xorg
01:46:52 <_bjoern> phenny, tell niq Hey niq, I probably read your Transfer-Encoding patch incorrectly, but it doesn't seem like you actually read the encoded body from the socket, so unless the Not Implemented also closes the connection, you would still mishandle subsequent or pipelined requests, no?
01:46:54 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when niq is around.
01:59:54 <Arnia> "However, often the analytic nature of the generating function doesn’t interest us; we
01:59:55 <Arnia> love it only for its role as a clothesline on which our sequence is hanging out to dry." -- H. Wilf, Generatingfunctionology
02:00:05 <deltab> .cp postal
02:00:07 <phenny> 3012: POSTAL MARK (〒)
02:00:10 <phenny> 3020: POSTAL MARK FACE (〠)
02:00:13 <phenny> 3036: CIRCLED POSTAL MARK (〶) [...]
02:00:49 <KragenSitaker> deltab: thank you!
02:01:33 <deltab> you're welcome
02:01:44 <deltab> I wonder how far AI is from being able to figure that one out
02:02:50 <[ruiner]> my robots already do that
02:02:56 <[ruiner]> they slice and dice, and self replicate
02:02:59 <[ruiner]> and they're comin for j00
02:03:03 <[ruiner]> WOO TECHNOLOGY
02:03:05 <[ruiner]> woo coffee.
02:06:57 <Arnia> woo nukes trained on your position
02:08:51 <[ruiner]> silly girl
02:08:55 <[ruiner]> you cant train nukes
02:08:58 <[ruiner]> i tried.
02:09:06 <[ruiner]> all they do is blow up in your face
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02:31:43 * Arnia is http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.r.c.geldart/personal/
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02:35:01 <Arnia> i.e. not a girl
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02:39:02 <perigrin> but you are silly
02:40:03 <Arnia> Oh yes; definitely that
02:40:11 * Arnia trips the light fantastic
02:41:25 * perigrin picks Arnia up off the floor where he tripped
02:41:33 <Arnia> Thank you
02:41:36 * perigrin sighs
02:41:38 * Arnia dusts himself down
02:41:49 <Arnia> ooh... pretty dust
02:42:01 <perigrin> BBC-- # won't connect for me to watch the Doctor.
02:43:19 <Arnia> Non UKIAN
02:43:34 * perigrin pouts
02:43:45 <perigrin> I paid every single TV License they asked for.
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04:06:09 <_bjoern> phenny, tell niq Okay it seems Apache closes the connection in this case. Thanks for the patch(es).
04:06:11 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when niq is around.
04:07:27 <_bjoern> phenny, tell niq The "Something that isn't in HTTP, unless some future edition defines new transfer ecodings, is unsupported." comment isn't quite right though, the request is perfectly proper under RFC 2616; more like "Apache only supports Transfer-Encoding: chunked".
04:07:29 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when niq is around.
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04:15:09 <_bjoern> .g rfc 2616 errata
04:15:11 <phenny> _bjoern: http://skrb.org/ietf/http_errata.html
04:16:02 <_bjoern> Well I guess I better comment on the bug...
07:44:53 <sbp> <Arnia> timbl_: ever thought about joining the Eskimo division of Frigidaire sales? :)
07:53:05 <_bjoern> OMG SBP
07:55:29 <_bjoern> I've reimplemented the Follow TCP Stream feature in Wireshark in Perl...
07:55:35 <_bjoern> First test run of the code failed utterly.
07:56:18 <_bjoern> Disappointingly because I didn't do HTTP over TCP over IP over Ethernet, but HTTP over TCP over IP over PPPOE over ...
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07:57:16 <_bjoern> I'm also slightly concerned that WireShark does not seem to honor closure of the stream ...
07:57:56 <_bjoern> so if you connect to the same server on the same port using the same local port you get that treated as a single session
07:58:10 <_bjoern> perhaps that's good enough for WireShark though...
07:59:01 <_bjoern> There does not seem to be a module that takes one from $whereever down to the TCP level, maintaining higher level information like, say, IP addresses...
08:08:25 <_bjoern> maybe Net::Packet has something for it...
08:15:43 <_bjoern> okay works now... I'm a bit worried though that all traffic seems to flow in the same direction...
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08:22:24 <Tene> Like capitalism!
08:23:49 <[ruiner]> net::capitalism
08:24:02 <_bjoern> .g Capitalism site:search.cpan.org
08:24:05 <phenny> _bjoern: http://search.cpan.org/src/MSCHWERN/Tie-Cache-LRU-0.21/bench/big_test_data
08:24:11 <_bjoern> .gc Capitalism site:search.cpan.org
08:24:13 <phenny> Capitalism site:search.cpan.org: 9
08:24:18 <[ruiner]> lul
08:32:44 <sbp> <_bjoern> I've reimplemented the Follow TCP Stream feature in Wireshark in Perl...
08:32:45 <sbp> OMGZ
08:32:55 <_bjoern> ah right, I found the problem... the code also does not check the initial handshake,
08:32:56 <sbp> SOON THE HTTP ARCHIVER WILL BE COMPLETE
08:33:04 <sbp> and when it is, give 2 sbp plz thc
08:33:21 <_bjoern> ... so it does not know who is server and who is client
08:33:31 <sbp> heh
08:33:44 <sbp> "I thought *you* were the server!" "lol, no"
08:34:31 <sbp> so how does the wiretapping work in general?
08:34:47 <_bjoern> Well somebody would have to implement a HTTP message parser to make it complete...
08:35:00 <sbp> yeah, you would
08:35:24 <sbp> and do a better job than your PHP port!
08:35:46 <_bjoern> my PHP port is better than Apache I found yesterday!
08:35:52 <sbp> hehe, yeah, saw that bug
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08:36:38 <Monty> howdy, Xanthor
08:37:39 <sbp> hmm, the rain spike that was predicted for tomorrow has gotten a bit smaller
08:37:50 <sbp> but now there's a huge Wednesday morning one
08:37:53 <sbp> awesome
08:38:20 * sbp takes a brief look at http://dublincore.org/documents/2007/07/02/domain-range/
08:40:20 <sbp> ugh, geograph's images have gone tits up
08:40:33 <sbp> all displaying a "DUDE THIS IS CREATIVE COMMONS LICENSED" message instead of the actual image
08:40:40 <sbp> way to go there, geograph
08:40:53 <_bjoern> As for the wiretapping, you set tcpdump and its ilk to capture traffic into a file, then let libpcap parse the file, the code I just implemented attempts to reconstruct tcp sessions and the (client to server, server to client) traffic; after that you'd have a HTTP dissector turn the traffic into (request, response) pairs, and would do what you want with it.
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08:43:20 <sbp> .gc "Pig Track"
08:43:23 <phenny> "Pig Track": 2,250
08:43:32 <sbp> I see, so you're just piggybacking tcpdump
08:47:00 <sbp> well, "just"
08:47:20 <_bjoern> Well libpcap really, but yes.
08:48:21 <_bjoern> "gzip is a content-encoding, not a transfer-encoding. The passage in RFC2616 that suggests otherwise is clearly a drafter who'd been staring at it too long, and had a brainfart." - niq.
08:48:26 <_bjoern> he's wrong, but okay...
08:48:40 <_bjoern> .g iana transfer encoding
08:48:42 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.iana.org/assignments/transfer-encodings
08:48:53 <_bjoern> .g iana http transfer encoding
08:48:56 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.iana.org/assignments/transfer-encodings
08:49:00 <_bjoern> .g iana http transfer codings
08:49:02 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec3.html
08:49:14 <_bjoern> .g iana http transfer gzip
08:49:16 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec3.html
08:49:19 <_bjoern> sucks
08:50:03 <_bjoern> ah http://www.iana.org/assignments/http-parameters
08:50:28 <_bjoern> I had it fixed a year ago! not sure what needed fixing anymore though...
08:50:54 <_bjoern> haha http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2005Oct/0015.html
08:51:22 <_bjoern> two years even
08:52:16 <_bjoern> .gc pack200-gzip
08:52:19 <phenny> pack200-gzip: 400
08:53:01 <sbp> hmm. they didn't reply to that, but did fix it?
08:53:16 <_bjoern> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2005OctDec/0006.html
08:55:58 <sbp> ah, good
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09:00:30 <_bjoern> okay the stream reconstruction stuff works now, except for ignoring the handshakes which become relevant only with much more traffic...
09:02:16 <_bjoern> (specifically "closing" the connection if the closing packets have been seen or with timeouts, knowing server vs. client is less relevant, though broken streams might be misinterpreted)
09:03:11 <_bjoern> I'm kinda amazed my straight port doesn't have any apparent bugs
09:03:26 <_bjoern> well I did use == instead of eq to compare ip addresses, but that was it...
09:04:09 <_bjoern> I think this is the first time I used a linked list in pure perl code...
09:09:03 <_bjoern> This kinda sucks, there is good server response and client request parsing code on CPAN...
09:09:13 <_bjoern> but no module that does both, at least no good one
09:09:31 <_bjoern> and it's kinda difficult to exploit the existing modules
09:10:11 <_bjoern> because if you pass them strings, they are likely to have trouble getting the message size determination wrong
09:12:19 <sbp> can't you just hack them into a single module yourself?
09:13:16 <_bjoern> I can copy and paste and fill in the missing bits and then turn myself in to some mental health clinic yes.
09:15:08 <sbp> excellent
09:17:02 <_bjoern> <咒> UR STEALING LINES AGAIN
09:17:43 <sbp> sry
09:17:47 <sbp> u know what sucks?
09:17:52 <sbp> SPARQL. trying to implement it now
09:18:09 <_bjoern> Oh I know an infinite number of things that suck!
09:18:17 <sbp> it's absolutely mad because it has all these definitions of things, and then no directions on how to use them
09:18:21 <_bjoern> Don't blame me, I sent comments, you didn't!
09:18:28 <sbp> this is true
09:18:28 <_bjoern> indeed...
09:19:09 <sbp> it's like it has this huge negative conformance section called "the specification"
09:25:46 <sbp> '"Have you heard the news?", he said with a grin. "The Vice President's gone mad!". "Where?" "Downtown." "When?" "Last night." "Hmm, gee, that's too bad."' - Clothesline Saga, Bob Dylan
09:26:09 <sbp> it's like prophetic literature
09:26:40 * sbp tries to get http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/r2#dawg-triple-pattern-001 working
09:29:37 <sbp> wow, it cites http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Multiset&oldid=163605900 for one of its datastructures
09:30:03 <sbp> so "a set which allows duplicates" or "a list which ignores order"
09:32:56 <sbp> Multiset[SolutionMapping{Variable('p'): URIReference(u'http://example.org/data/p'), Variable('q'): URIReference(u'http://example.org/data/v1')}, SolutionMapping{Variable('p'): URIReference(u'http://example.org/data/p'), Variable('q'): URIReference(u'http://example.org/data/v2')}]
09:32:58 <sbp> getting there
09:44:08 <_bjoern> Huh, Opera seems to send the TE: header
09:44:15 <_bjoern> last time I tested it it did not...
09:44:20 <_bjoern> "TE: deflate, gzip, chunked, identity, trailers"
09:44:29 <_bjoern> (it says what Transfer-Encodings it supports...)
09:44:38 <_bjoern> perhaps it does so only after some magix
09:46:18 <_bjoern> okay maybe there iz a bugz in my code
09:46:27 <_bjoern> get some strange nul bytes from time to time
09:46:52 <_bjoern> just prior to HTTP responses it seems
09:46:55 <sbp> <咒> IM IN UR CODE LAYING FAECAL NUL SACS
09:47:15 <_bjoern> <㋡> k!
09:47:19 <sbp> hehe
09:48:39 <_bjoern> lisppaste2: url?
09:48:39 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
09:49:39 <lisppaste2> _bjoern pasted "Opera doing no TE and then TE on the same server" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/50974
09:50:23 <_bjoern> I wonder whether that's a measure to keep the request small on servers unlikely to support T-E, or some bugworkaroundz or something else.
09:52:24 <sbp> does it sniff the server name from the first response and then flip a bit for the domain, perhaps?
09:52:39 <sbp> server software name
09:55:29 <_bjoern> I suppose it's something like that, but I am not sure why...
09:56:50 <_bjoern> well searching on google it turns up me saying opera doesn't do TE: ...
09:57:43 <sbp> _:set1 <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/result-set#ResultSet> .
09:57:43 <sbp> _:set1 <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/result-set#solution> _:solution2 .
09:57:43 <sbp> _:solution2 <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/result-set#binding> _:binding3 .
09:57:43 <sbp> _:binding3 <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/result-set#variable> "p" .
09:57:44 <sbp> _:binding3 <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/result-set#value> <http://example.org/data/p> .
09:57:50 <sbp> - etc. whee!
09:58:35 <_bjoern> <咒> I WEAR GOGGLES TO SHIELD MY EYES FROM THE EVILZ RDF
09:58:45 <_bjoern> <咒> U SHOULD, TOO
09:59:01 <sbp> ehheh. even Cedric Lolcurse cannot withstand the RDF
10:00:27 <_bjoern> http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/opera-patch-for-bad-behavior/ has a bit info
10:02:21 <sbp> hmm. not very much
10:02:25 <sbp> since it's for a plugin
10:02:39 <sbp> you don't know if the code it uses it plugin specific or if it's using some Opera-internal stuf
10:02:40 <sbp> ...f
10:03:09 <_bjoern> I meant Yngve's mail in the comments.
10:04:18 <sbp> ah!
10:04:33 <sbp> hmm, that just says proxies though
10:04:42 <sbp> your request wasn't going through a proxy was it?
10:05:02 <_bjoern> He does hint at the end at not sending TE if the server is not known to be a HTTP 1.1 one
10:05:35 <sbp> [[[
10:05:36 <sbp> G = Graph('data-01.ttl', format='turtle')
10:05:36 <sbp> rq = open('dawg-tp-01.rq')
10:05:36 <sbp> R = G.sparqlFile(rq)
10:05:36 <sbp> rq.close()
10:05:37 <sbp> E = Graph('result-tp-01.ttl', format='turtle')
10:05:39 <sbp> print 'success?', R == E
10:05:41 <sbp> ]]]
10:05:44 <sbp> gives...
10:05:46 <sbp> success? True
10:05:52 <sbp> which means WINNING HAS OCCURED AHAHAHA
10:06:07 <_bjoern> a true success!
10:06:23 * _bjoern hunts some f00d for the rejoicing.
10:06:27 <sbp> hehe
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10:06:42 <sbp> something with a lot of alcohol in it
10:09:01 <_bjoern> the local store had Absolut Vodka reduced by a third yesterday
10:09:13 <_bjoern> so I was all like, omg!, and then they just had a single bottle
10:09:20 <_bjoern> that one's mine now though!
10:09:53 <_bjoern> no murdered animals :(
10:10:29 <sbp> it's so drunk that it's lost its "e"
10:10:31 <_bjoern> phenny, "In der Not, ja in der Not, da schmeckt die Wurst auch ohne Brot"?
10:10:35 <phenny> _bjoern: "In the emergency, in the emergency, there the sausage tastes also without bread" (de)
10:11:09 <sbp> I think it should be spelled voddker
10:11:20 <sbp> names with double-d in them tend to rock
10:11:47 <_bjoern> .gc "absolut fodder"
10:11:49 <phenny> "absolut fodder": 0
10:12:08 <_bjoern> SUPYBOT IS MISSING
10:12:16 <sbp> agane
10:12:31 <_bjoern> I was all @translate en to de In the emergency, in the emergency, there the sausage tastes also without bread - but no dice!
10:12:46 <_bjoern> .mangle In the emergency, in the emergency, there the sausage tastes also without bread
10:12:49 <sbp> you'll have to use the old-skool web interface
10:12:56 <phenny> _bjoern: "In more in the urgency, which relates to the sausage urgency in the bucket of the proof of the outside of place given"
10:12:57 <_bjoern> I hate browsers.
10:14:33 <sbp> i too also hate teh browser overloards
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10:16:27 <_bjoern> oh my http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=24083
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10:21:46 * _bjoern 'd like to reply "YO ! PHP DUDEZ ! ob_gzhandler iz da shite ! MUST, repeat MUST, REMOVE B0G|_|5 CONTENT-LENGTH KTHXPLZBAI"
10:23:22 <sbp> hehe
10:23:30 <sbp> you should do it in l33t though
10:23:32 <_bjoern> but then of course I already gained some experience with the PHP bug fixing mentality...
10:23:44 <_bjoern> well I wrote it in haste!
10:23:52 <sbp> ㋡
10:23:58 <sbp> what is the PHP bug fixing mentality?
10:24:03 <sbp> emphasis on the mental?
10:25:21 <_bjoern> well, they don't fix bugs, and if they do it, introduce more bugs. and feel bugged if anyone bugs them about it.
10:26:03 <sbp> nice
10:26:15 <_bjoern> the mental health issues should be obvious from them being PHP developers, too.
10:26:27 <sbp> yes...
10:26:52 * sbp thinks about the interface, and plumps for R = G.sparqlURI('dawg-tp-01.rq', 'SELECT').graph()
10:27:05 <_bjoern> Ѹ!
10:27:14 <sbp> \Ѹ/
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10:27:28 <sbp> is there an OK?
10:27:31 <sbp> .unicode OK
10:27:31 <_bjoern> <咒> THIS MY FRIEND: Ӝ
10:27:35 <sbp> ahahah
10:27:35 <phenny> U+C63C HANGUL SYLLABLE OK (옼)
10:27:47 <sbp> 옼Ӝ咒
10:27:54 <_bjoern> With family: ӝӜӝ
10:27:57 <sbp> hehe
10:28:26 <_bjoern> Tӵrtle
10:28:46 <sbp> I forgot about just combining ö with stuff
10:28:50 <sbp> .̈̈̈̈̈
10:29:00 <_bjoern> Օ!
10:29:00 <sbp> so we only have to look for bodies really
10:29:02 <_bjoern> .pc Օ
10:29:04 <phenny> 0555: ARMENIAN CAPITAL LETTER OH (Օ)
10:29:18 <sbp> ⊂̈
10:29:39 <sbp> ⊹̈
10:29:40 <_bjoern> .cp ^0308
10:29:42 <phenny> 0308: COMBINING DIAERESIS (◌̈)
10:30:02 <sbp> ⌤ is quite good by itself
10:30:13 <_bjoern> hmm
10:30:15 <_bjoern> .pc א̈
10:30:17 <phenny> 05D0: HEBREW LETTER ALEF (א)
10:30:20 <phenny> 0308: COMBINING DIAERESIS (◌̈)
10:30:24 <sbp> not to mention these guys: ⍡⍢⍣⍤⍥⍨⍩
10:30:45 <_bjoern> What do you see here: ̈̈̈̈̈א
10:30:48 <sbp> ⍾̈
10:30:51 <sbp> it looks like an N
10:31:01 <sbp> a wavy, small-caps, N
10:31:17 <_bjoern> what about the combiners?
10:31:44 <sbp> ⓑ̈
10:31:50 <sbp> combiners? no combiners
10:32:01 <sbp> █̈
10:32:10 <_bjoern> .pc ̈̈̈̈̈א
10:32:12 <phenny> 0308: COMBINING DIAERESIS (◌̈)
10:32:15 <phenny> 0308: COMBINING DIAERESIS (◌̈)
10:32:16 <sbp> weird
10:32:18 <phenny> 0308: COMBINING DIAERESIS (◌̈)
10:32:28 <sbp> why did you put them before the N?
10:32:37 <sbp> I see now, they were hidden
10:32:48 <_bjoern> well they didn't combine if I put them behind it!
10:32:51 <_bjoern> here at least
10:32:51 <sbp> the diaereses were overlaying my "g" in guys
10:32:58 <sbp> hmm
10:32:59 <_bjoern> and from there on things got weird...
10:33:13 <sbp> ◡̈
10:33:22 <sbp> ☂̈
10:33:27 <sbp> ☁̈
10:33:29 <_bjoern> < ҿ̈ > hai
10:33:33 <sbp> hehe
10:33:41 <sbp> <☋̈> hai
10:33:52 <_bjoern> <ʡ> asl plz
10:34:02 <sbp> ♧/♘/♆
10:34:39 <sbp> ❝❤❣❞
10:34:51 <_bjoern> <ஹ> me sphinx
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10:35:30 <sbp> 〄̈
10:35:38 <_bjoern> I like these guys ଈ ଇ ଋ
10:35:43 <sbp> フ̈
10:35:52 <sbp> ah!
10:35:55 <sbp> ノ̈
10:35:59 <sbp> awesome
10:36:11 <sbp> it's the stroke from TU but with diaeresis eyes
10:36:22 <_bjoern> .pc ൠ̑
10:36:24 <phenny> 0D60: MALAYALAM LETTER VOCALIC RR (ൠ)
10:36:27 <phenny> 0311: COMBINING INVERTED BREVE (◌̑)
10:36:39 <sbp> ノ̈⃝
10:36:47 <sbp> hmm, that doesn't look good...
10:38:01 <sbp> I like the characters around ㌕㌚㌫㌮㌍㌇㌴㍇
10:38:05 <sbp> they look like such a mess
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10:38:11 <_bjoern> you could make an animation of ผฝพฟ
10:38:16 <sbp> hehe
10:38:21 <sbp> UniSMIL
10:38:57 <sbp> 丷
10:39:02 <sbp> 乊
10:39:06 <sbp> 乥
10:39:44 <sbp> 𐁂 is cool
10:40:06 <sbp> 𐃵
10:40:26 <sbp> .pc 𐂂
10:40:29 <phenny> 10082: LINEAR B IDEOGRAM B104 DEER
10:40:59 <_bjoern> There seems no precombined form of ҿ̈
10:41:24 <sbp> .pc 𐃅
10:41:27 <phenny> 100C5: LINEAR B IDEOGRAM B225 BATHTUB
10:41:49 <_bjoern> oh by the way,
10:41:55 <_bjoern> I CANT SEE A SINGLE OF UR CHARS LOL
10:42:42 <_bjoern> especially now that you've gone astral.
10:44:26 <_bjoern> ｯ is too small oddly
10:45:59 <_bjoern> < > haz a hat
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10:46:15 <_bjoern> .pc
10:46:17 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for r'^E890\b'.
10:46:20 <XcaliburZ> today?
10:46:25 <_bjoern> yes.
10:46:28 <sbp> yeah, you need teh fonts
10:46:43 <_bjoern> Well I can't see my chars either!
10:46:47 <sbp> heh, heh
10:46:56 <sbp> get fonts plz
10:47:06 <sbp> let's see what the Linear B ideograms are in...
10:47:10 <XcaliburZ> so what is international students day?
10:47:10 <sbp> XcaliburZ: hi, welcome to Swhack
10:47:16 <sbp> dunno, who cares?
10:47:19 <_bjoern> .wik International Students Day
10:47:21 <phenny> "International Students' Day is an international observance of student activism, held annually on November 17." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Students_Day
10:47:22 <sbp> we wouldn't put it in the topic if we cared
10:47:22 <_bjoern> make fontforge not crash!
10:47:25 <XcaliburZ> hi,s bp
10:47:28 <sbp> yo
10:47:32 <sbp> this is a publically logged channel
10:47:38 <sbp> and you are David Susanto
10:47:53 <sbp> this is perhaps your weblog: http://blog.davidsusanto.com/
10:47:53 <XcaliburZ> yes
10:47:57 <sbp> you have not written much therein
10:48:06 <_bjoern> <<< secret message to sbp >>>
10:48:07 <_bjoern> sbp(u hav XcaliburZ pix plz)
10:48:09 <XcaliburZ> yes its is :shy:
10:48:13 <_bjoern> <<< ed sekret message >>>
10:48:31 <sbp> <<<lambda secret message on one line>>> _bjoern(no sry, u ask him??) <<</>>>
10:48:37 <sbp> okay, they're in Code2001
10:48:45 <XcaliburZ> sbp: r u from indonesia?
10:48:48 <_bjoern> <<< secret message to sbp >>>
10:48:55 <_bjoern> sbp(what asl plz)
10:48:57 <_bjoern> <<< ed sekret message >>>
10:48:57 <sbp> indonesia? where's that?
10:49:06 <XcaliburZ> hahaha...
10:49:25 <sbp> <<<lambda secret message on one line>>> _bjoern(what is asl plz is it a polish bot??) <<//>>
10:49:51 <_bjoern> <<< GLOBAL "NO POLISH BOTS!" REMINDER >>>
10:50:02 <sbp> <<< ACCEPTANCE OF REMINDER >>>
10:50:11 <sbp> .unicode sot y
10:50:14 <sbp> .unicode soft hy
10:50:14 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for "SOT Y".
10:50:16 <phenny> U+00AD SOFT HYPHEN ()
10:50:17 <sbp> TWO KEYS FAILED
10:50:23 <sbp> ::
10:50:32 <_bjoern> XcaliburZ, what made you join this channel?
10:50:42 <_bjoern> And is there a cure for it?
10:50:57 <XcaliburZ> just random search
10:51:02 <_bjoern> on what?
10:51:03 <XcaliburZ> :)
10:51:10 <XcaliburZ> on channel
10:51:23 <XcaliburZ> student channel
10:51:33 <sbp> omg
10:51:37 <sbp> but there are no students here
10:51:39 <sbp> well, a few
10:51:56 <XcaliburZ> so what is this? :))
10:51:58 <_bjoern> mostly pretenders though
10:52:05 <sbp> see swhack.com plz
10:52:07 <sbp> asl plz
10:52:20 <XcaliburZ> 21, m, bandung
10:52:23 <_bjoern> knowing what swhack is all about is lvl 17, 4000 CAD plz
10:52:27 <sbp> 'k many thx
10:52:42 <sbp> I think you're... possibly the second person who's ever actually told us
10:52:47 <_bjoern> any chance you could send some indonesian girls here?
10:52:51 <sbp> normally we go "AHAHAHA U WONT TELL US"
10:52:59 <sbp> but when people actually tell us, we're sorta stumped
10:53:02 <_bjoern> actually no! it's working rather well
10:53:06 <sbp> I suppose we could say: AHAHAHAHA U TOLD US!
10:53:10 <sbp> is it?
10:53:18 <_bjoern> let's see if this works
10:53:19 <_bjoern> .swhack , m,
10:53:40 <sbp> DO IT
10:54:12 <XcaliburZ> come to indonesia then
10:54:17 <XcaliburZ> a lot of girls here
10:54:19 <sbp> hehe. good advice
10:54:24 <phenny> _bjoern: http://swhack.com/logs/2007-10-27#T00-22-13
10:54:41 <_bjoern> not the right query...
10:54:42 <sbp> told you. one other person
10:55:13 <sbp> .gc "Historia Vitae Magistra"
10:55:16 <phenny> "Historia Vitae Magistra": 9,990
10:55:31 <sbp> Cicero, history is the teacher of life
10:55:47 <XcaliburZ> yuppie
10:55:52 <_bjoern> ha [28 Aug 07 01:15] * linuxperv * 14 f texas
10:55:55 <XcaliburZ> u sure do a lot of googling
10:55:59 <_bjoern> [01 Sep 07 07:56] * Sagar * 22 m
10:56:01 <sbp> NO
10:56:07 <sbp> only as much as a regular person
10:56:08 <_bjoern> [01 Sep 07 09:09] * SteamMachine * 20, male, Australia.
10:56:17 <XcaliburZ> hehehe...
10:56:21 <sbp> hmm, that is quite a few
10:56:25 <sbp> five now, then?
10:56:28 <_bjoern> [10 Sep 07 21:30] * procto * 20 m boston, ma
10:56:33 <sbp> SIX
10:56:45 <sbp> Sagar doesn't count though
10:56:48 <sbp> he didn't give l
10:56:59 <sbp> a/s/wtfisllol
10:57:02 <_bjoern> [17 Sep 07 11:41] * shriphani * 16 m india.
10:57:25 <_bjoern> [30 Sep 07 15:32] * thelsdj * bjoern_: 25/m/az
10:57:31 <sbp> hehe
10:57:44 <_bjoern> [02 Oct 07 09:16] * phenny * 3/fbot/internet
10:57:47 <sbp> raise ValueError("Expected %s, got %s" % (form, R[0]))
10:57:47 <sbp> ValueError: Expected SELOCT, got SELECT
10:58:26 <_bjoern> [16 Oct 07 08:39] * Pip * bjoern_: YOUNG/ MALE/ HERE.
10:58:33 <sbp> no way
10:58:36 <sbp> lolpipz: PLZ
10:58:38 <_bjoern> [17 Oct 07 13:36] * dark * bjoern m 21
10:58:38 <sbp> lolpipz: ASL?
10:58:40 <lolpipz> sbp: DO YU PREFR BOOKZ OR TV?
10:58:40 <lolpipz> sbp: YOUNG/ MALE/ HERE.
10:58:52 <sbp> lolpipz: WHO IS XcaliburZ??
10:58:52 <lolpipz> sbp: HUMAN ICON? <BR> CHECK BACK LATR AND SEE IF I LEARN TEH ANSWR T THAT ONE.
10:59:21 <XcaliburZ> it's me... nothing...
10:59:21 <XcaliburZ> :)
10:59:27 <sbp> 'k sry
10:59:34 <_bjoern> [06 Nov 07 20:07] * Filnik * _bjoern: 17, male, Italy/Padua
10:59:49 <_bjoern> [06 Nov 07 21:32] * Catch * I'm 17, and female.
10:59:51 <XcaliburZ> which one is aaron?
10:59:56 <sbp> no one is Aaron
10:59:58 <sbp> he is not here
11:00:12 <sbp> _bjoern: fine, SEVEN
11:00:14 <_bjoern> [09 Nov 07 15:19] * thosch * 31 m galway, ireland
11:00:23 <XcaliburZ> is he the founder?
11:00:28 <_bjoern> [09 Nov 07 16:55] * m0d * for the record, im 28 years old, and i live in the Netherlands.
11:00:28 <sbp> co-founder
11:00:58 <_bjoern> <咒> _BJOERN WINZ
11:01:06 <sbp> how did you find the m0d one? it's so irregular
11:01:20 <_bjoern> I just /asl/'d.
11:01:53 <XcaliburZ> swhack -> software hack??
11:02:04 <sbp> see the FAQ
11:02:08 <sbp> .g Swhack FAQ
11:02:11 <phenny> sbp: http://swhack.com/faq/
11:02:13 <sbp> short answer: no
11:02:13 <XcaliburZ> oops, sorry
11:02:16 <sbp> long answer: NO!
11:02:43 <_bjoern> why is asl not in the faq? surely it's frequently asked.
11:02:56 <sbp> because it's not visitors asking it
11:03:07 <_bjoern> I can disproof that too!
11:03:12 <sbp> do it
11:03:34 <_bjoern> .origin glen_quagmire
11:03:51 <sbp> .swhack bjoern(?![_>]).*asl
11:04:05 <XcaliburZ> quote: When you join the channel, you should be greeted by some idiot saying something like "Hello, $name, and welcome to Swhack!
11:04:16 <sbp> yeah, that was me
11:04:20 <XcaliburZ> so the idiot is ...
11:04:28 <XcaliburZ> hyuk hyuk hyuk
11:04:28 <sbp> ME I JUST TOLD YOU
11:04:36 <XcaliburZ> yeah
11:04:36 <sbp> I also wrote the FAQ
11:04:44 <_bjoern> sbp(plz stop calling sbp idiot)
11:04:51 <XcaliburZ> hyuk hyuk hyuk
11:04:52 <_bjoern> sbp(iz shitrude)
11:04:58 <sbp> _bjoern(sry T_̈T)
11:05:03 <XcaliburZ> hyuk hyuk
11:05:13 <_bjoern> phenny!
11:05:15 <phenny> _bjoern!
11:05:19 <_bjoern> c'mon already.
11:06:19 <XcaliburZ> .g _bjoern
11:06:21 <phenny> XcaliburZ: http://www.last.fm/user/_Bjoern/
11:06:26 <phenny> First saw glen_quagmire on #swhack at 2007-05-18 01:10:15, saying 'asl?' (see http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-18#T01-10-15)
11:06:35 <_bjoern> pwnt
11:06:42 <sbp> XcaliburZ: ờ̴̵̶̷̸̡̢̧̨̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠̣̤̥̦̩̪̫̬̭̮̯̰̱̲̳̹̺̻̼͇͈͉͍͎́̂̃̄̅̆̇̈̉̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̽̾̿̀́͂̓̈́͆͊͋͌̕̚ͅ͏ְֱֲֳִֵֶַָׇֹֻּֽֿׁׂًٌٍَُِّْٰܑ͓͔͕͖͙͚֑֖֛֢֣֤֥֦֧֪ׅٕٖٜۣ۪ۭܱܴܷܸܹܻܼܾ֚֭֮͐͑͒͗͛ͣͤͥͦͧͨͩͪͫͬͭͮͯ҃҄҅҆֒֓֔֕֗֘֙֜֝֞֟֠֡֨֩֫֬֯ׄؐؑؒؓؔؕٓٔٗ٘ٙٚٛٝٞۖۗۘۙۚۛۜ۟۠ۡۢۤۧۨ۫۬ܰܲܳܵܶܺܽ͘͜͟͢͝͞͠͡
11:06:42 <sbp> ݂ܿ݀݁݃ooh, I just broke my input
11:06:48 <sbp> ah,there we go
11:06:50 <sbp> heh
11:06:53 <sbp> I can't see what I'm typing anymore
11:06:54 <XcaliburZ> what is that?
11:06:56 <sbp> stupid X-Chat
11:06:59 <sbp> it's a supercombiner
11:07:38 <sbp> lokwrpgokwrhmmhmmtestTHIS SI UNE TEXTdamndang man, I hax'd myself
11:07:38 <_bjoern> By now #Swhack newcomers have usually what little mind they had left when joining.
11:07:43 <sbp> ah, there we go
11:07:59 <sbp> still can't see my own input
11:08:03 <_bjoern> ！
11:08:03 <sbp> but at least I can type
11:08:32 <sbp> oskrpgokstgoksr
11:08:34 <sbp> hehe
11:08:40 <_bjoern> .pc ﺘ
11:08:43 <phenny> FE98: ARABIC LETTER TEH MEDIAL FORM (ﺘ)
11:08:43 <sbp> this is pretty annoying
11:08:48 <sbp> should probably restart X-Caht
11:08:57 <_bjoern> ... looks completely different in the fonts I have
11:09:23 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp u just broke your client to claim you didn't see my proof!
11:09:25 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
11:09:51 <phenny> sbp: No results for "bjoern(?![_>]).*asl".
11:10:09 <_bjoern> I haz made u a ︻ ︻ ︻ ︻ ︻ bridge.
11:11:07 <sbp> thx. I has restarteds
11:11:09 <phenny> sbp: 11:47Z <_bjoern> tell sbp u just broke your client to claim you didn't see my proof!
11:11:13 <sbp> is now workink
11:12:32 <XcaliburZ> talkin bout what now?
11:12:36 <sbp> glen_quagmire doesn't count because he's a Swhacker
11:13:36 <_bjoern> he, you say...
11:14:30 <sbp> let us ascertain!
11:15:01 <XcaliburZ> bout what?
11:15:02 <_bjoern> you can ascert alone, pervert!
11:16:03 <sbp> okay, he or she hasn't used any * hello is her blah forms
11:16:19 <XcaliburZ> are there only 3 living persons in this channel??
11:16:28 <_bjoern> who's the third?
11:16:38 <XcaliburZ> me, u and u...
11:16:47 <XcaliburZ> umm.. which u is sbp
11:16:58 <XcaliburZ> umm the first one :P
11:16:58 <_bjoern> sbp(u there)
11:17:02 <_bjoern> .seen u
11:17:04 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen u around.
11:17:08 <sbp> 2007-06-21 23:50:23 * glen_quagmire knows neither C nor haskell
11:17:08 <_bjoern> no u
11:17:12 <XcaliburZ> .seen david
11:17:13 <sbp> neitHER
11:17:14 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen david around.
11:17:22 <XcaliburZ> .seen ghost
11:17:24 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen ghost around.
11:17:34 <XcaliburZ> .seen phenny
11:17:36 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen phenny around.
11:17:39 <XcaliburZ> wew
11:17:43 <_bjoern> I think bsh asl'd glen...
11:17:59 <_bjoern> I think we even privmsgd about it!
11:18:05 <sbp> omg
11:18:40 <XcaliburZ> halo semua apa kabar?
11:18:52 <_bjoern> phenny, "halo semua apa kabar"?
11:18:55 <phenny> _bjoern: Hmm, got "malay"...
11:19:07 <XcaliburZ> nope..
11:19:14 <sbp> dia orang yang terkenal sekali
11:19:22 <XcaliburZ> phenny, "you're wrong!"
11:19:33 <sbp> termakan Monty
11:19:36 <XcaliburZ> dia adalah saya
11:19:37 <Monty> pedestal's extra-marital criminal record piddles terms's Euclidian symphony!
11:19:44 <_bjoern> phenny, "you're wrong!"?
11:19:48 <phenny> _bjoern: "As for those by mistake it is!" (en -...-> en)
11:20:18 <_bjoern> lolpipz: have you ever been to indonesia?
11:20:18 <lolpipz> _bjoern: I DONT THINK I HAVE BEEN THERE. WHERE AR TEH IT.
11:20:39 <_bjoern> lolpipz: I don't know! Maybe XcaliburZ can tell u.
11:20:39 <lolpipz> _bjoern: ME EITHR. PERHAPZ. ENOUGH ABOUT ME, LETZ TALK ABOUT MUH DRESZ. KTHX.
11:21:03 <_bjoern> I'd like to talk about the strange nul bytes in my tcp dumps
11:21:05 <XcaliburZ> somewhere in heaven
11:22:09 * Arnia boings
11:22:54 <_bjoern> lolpipz: What if Swhack Were A MOO?
11:22:54 <lolpipz> _bjoern: TRY IT AND SEE.
11:23:02 <sbp> Arɛnia!
11:23:25 * Arnia explodes for your edification and pleasure
11:24:04 <_bjoern> .gc bathe in unicode
11:24:06 <phenny> bathe in unicode: 36,200
11:25:13 <_bjoern> there is a gmane.comp.misc.swhack newsgroup!
11:25:23 <sbp> .g gmane.comp.misc.swhack
11:25:26 <phenny> sbp: http://news.gmane.org/group/gmane.comp.misc.swhack/last=/force_load=t
11:25:35 <sbp> what's in it?
11:25:40 <_bjoern> .swhack gmane.comp.misc.swhack
11:25:43 <_bjoern> nothing?!
11:25:54 <sbp> oh, 0 posts. yeah
11:25:56 <sbp> cool
11:26:04 <sbp> Swhack is on USENET!
11:26:11 <Arnia> A newsgroup with no news... very swhack
11:26:15 <sbp> contributing NOTHING
11:26:15 <sbp> yeah
11:26:16 <sbp> hehe
11:26:31 <_bjoern> you wanted to name it gmanic.comp.miscellanise.swhack.kaboominate instead.
11:26:59 <sbp> heh, heh
11:27:03 <_bjoern> with stats! http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.swhack
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11:27:19 <XcaliburZ> i'ts night in here
11:27:27 <XcaliburZ> saturday night
11:27:27 * sbp inspects http://swhack.com/logs/2006-11-28
11:28:05 <Arnia> XcaliburZ: SHHHHHH
11:28:22 <Arnia> XcaliburZ: I haven't done my eight impossible things yet
11:28:53 <sbp> come on dude, it's gone midday
11:28:54 <_bjoern> you could travel to the "U.S." and do them in the past. if you travel fast enough.
11:29:35 <sbp> don't be so ridiculous
11:29:53 <sbp> even if the "U.S." existed, even hypothetically, who would want to travel to it?
11:30:07 <_bjoern> people who want to live in the past?
11:30:29 <sbp> nah, they'd go to Canada, eh?
11:30:47 <_bjoern> There they'd get tasered.
11:30:58 <phenny> _bjoern: No results for "gmane.comp.misc.swhack".
11:31:11 <_bjoern> haz a bugz
11:34:02 <sbp> no? u?
11:34:12 <sbp> \ .swhack is bizarrely slow today, too
11:35:05 <Arnia> \. \.!!! \!
11:35:52 <_bjoern> .\\‗//.
11:37:41 <Arnia> ___:/=======||=============||=============||___
11:38:12 <sbp> @nickometer ...
11:38:42 <Arnia> @nickometer sbp
11:38:51 <Arnia> No supy
11:40:51 <_bjoern> ╔═══╗
11:40:51 <_bjoern> ╚═══╝
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11:41:55 <sbp> ╔══̈═╗
11:41:55 <sbp> ╚═══╝
11:43:00 <_bjoern> ╙╌╌╌╌╜
11:44:40 <_bjoern> rounded corners omg ╭╌╌╌╮
11:44:51 <sbp> ooh
11:44:54 <_bjoern> ╭╮
11:44:55 <_bjoern> ╰╯
11:45:02 <sbp> dids not work
11:45:11 <_bjoern> how so?
11:45:12 <sbp> there's a bonkin' great gap in the middle
11:45:20 <_bjoern> ur linespacing haz a bugz
11:45:25 <sbp> NO YES
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11:52:44 <sbp> tom today, to tomorrow
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11:54:01 <_bjoern> .wik Totem
11:54:04 <phenny> "A totem is any entity which watches over or assists a group of people, such as a family, clan or tribe (Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary [1] and Webster's New World College Dictionary, Fourth Edition)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totem
11:54:27 <_bjoern> that needs wikification?
11:55:22 <_bjoern> .gc Zagaakwaandagowininiwag
11:55:25 <phenny> Zagaakwaandagowininiwag: 266
11:59:27 <_bjoern> Hmm, I don't quite understand this. I have an IP packet with an enclosed TCP packet.
11:59:53 <sbp> mutation?
11:59:59 <_bjoern> Sometimes packet length - ip header length - tcp header length is smaller than the length of the data.
12:00:35 <_bjoern> apparently at some point during the initialization of the connection
12:00:45 <_bjoern> where the data is nul bytes
12:01:08 <_bjoern> I am not sure I'm seeing bugs in other people's code, or miss something...
12:03:26 <_bjoern> (having tcp packets inside ip packets is perfectly normal)
12:12:05 <XcaliburZ> yo, sbp
12:12:09 <XcaliburZ> still there
12:12:16 <sbp> XcaliburZ: hai
12:12:44 <XcaliburZ> r u a sysadmin?
12:12:52 <sbp> LOL no
12:13:01 <sbp> thx for yr concern tho
12:13:14 <XcaliburZ> just guessing
12:13:58 <XcaliburZ> how to use swhacker?
12:14:01 <_bjoern> He's a seriously beastmastering padawan.
12:15:03 <XcaliburZ> wew
12:15:37 <XcaliburZ> it's kinda boring rite here
12:15:43 <sbp> bye
12:15:47 <_bjoern> WHAT U SAY !!
12:16:04 <XcaliburZ> wowowo... easy.. i meant here (my place)
12:16:09 <XcaliburZ> LOL
12:16:13 <sbp> ôlol sry
12:16:16 <Arnia> sbp: oh, about Russell; did you read the backlog?
12:16:33 <sbp> I thought u meaned "lol u guys sux i am going"
12:16:41 <sbp> Arnia: oh, nope. what was the gist?
12:16:48 <sbp> I had a quick skim
12:16:54 <_bjoern> Gist: We found the teapot.
12:16:54 <sbp> Russell Paradox in SPARQL?
12:16:58 <sbp> heh, heh
12:17:00 <sbp> where was it?
12:17:05 <sbp> in the glove compartment?
12:17:08 <Arnia> sbp: Russell paradox in RDF model theory
12:17:14 <sbp> in the model theory?!
12:17:35 <Arnia> _bjoern: but we only have jam tomorrow
12:17:38 * sbp looks
12:17:44 <Arnia> sbp: yeah, caused by the existence of named graphs
12:17:55 <_bjoern> Oh don't worry, I have Vodka.
12:18:41 <Arnia> brb... tea
12:18:54 <sbp> hmm
12:19:04 <sbp> named graphs aren't part of the model theory
12:19:16 <sbp> they're a SPARQL extension
12:19:31 <sbp> and I'm not sure they exist in SPARQL either. they're pretty loosely defined
12:19:36 <_bjoern> .g RDF model theory
12:19:39 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/
12:19:51 <sbp> well they're defined as a tuple, (<uri>, <graph>)
12:20:06 <sbp> as a datastructure, in other words
12:20:16 <_bjoern> .title http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/
12:20:18 <phenny> _bjoern: RDF Semantics
12:20:20 <_bjoern> Opaque URIs Nazis
12:24:32 <sbp> heh, heh
12:24:40 <sbp> it used to be called Model Theory...
12:24:55 <sbp> then at the last moment they were like "lol but then people wnot understand it??"
12:25:04 <_bjoern> <咒> I HAZ A PRINTED COPY OF A MT WD OMG
12:25:05 <sbp> so they changed the title to make it easy to follow
12:25:17 <_bjoern> Mission Accomplised.
12:31:23 <_bjoern> .calc 18 in binary
12:31:25 <phenny> 18 = 0b10010
12:31:58 <sbp> u can hazd binary!
12:32:19 <_bjoern> num sayz iz a syn/ack packet
12:32:33 <sbp> ooh
12:35:50 <Arnia> sbp: Reification is equivalent to named graphs... essentially, any mechanism which allows one to refer to statements causes this
12:36:45 <_bjoern> .calc 48132 in hex
12:36:52 <phenny> 48 132 = 0xBC04
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12:41:16 <sbp> parse trees are such fun
12:41:18 <sbp> Query
12:41:18 <sbp> Prologue
12:41:18 <sbp> PrefixDecl
12:41:18 <sbp> /PrefixDecl
12:41:18 <sbp> /Prologue
12:41:19 <sbp> SelectQuery
12:41:21 <sbp> WhereClause
12:41:23 <sbp> GroupGraphPattern
12:41:25 <sbp> TriplesBlock
12:41:28 <sbp> TriplesSameSubject
12:41:31 <sbp> /TriplesSameSubject
12:41:32 <sbp> VarOrTerm
12:41:34 <sbp> etc.
12:41:47 <_bjoern> So apparently the nul bytes are padding in the ethernet frame, and for some reason my tool chain does not strip it off...
12:45:37 * Arnia parses sbp using a regular grammar
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12:55:18 <_bjoern> .calc 2048 - 0x05dc
12:55:19 <phenny> 2 048 - 0x05dc = 548
12:59:53 <_bjoern> Ah usual case of bug having been reported twice years ago, author does nothing, replacement module doesn't build ...
13:00:05 <_bjoern> oh well, at least the workaround is simple.
13:01:05 <sbp> what is the workaround?
13:01:10 <sbp> PESTILENCE?
13:01:23 <_bjoern> stripping the trailing bytes off myself
13:01:26 <sbp> you're already working on the famine...
13:01:32 <sbp> ah
13:01:44 <sbp> bytes = bytes.rstrip('\x00')
13:02:16 <_bjoern> no, based on the known length of the data
13:02:20 <Arnia> WAR
13:02:27 <_bjoern> otherwise the binary data would cry
13:02:33 * Arnia does a Chris Morris
13:03:26 <_bjoern> I often hear this in a loop when writing e-mails
13:03:28 <_bjoern> .g Prince of Egypt - The Plague lyrics
13:03:28 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/princeofegypt/theplagues.htm
13:03:45 <sbp> war? hmm, good gosh all of you. what is it good for? absolutely nothing. repeat this assertion!
13:04:21 <sbp> bytes = bytes[:known_length_of_the_data]
13:04:48 <_bjoern> [[[
13:04:50 <_bjoern> I send a pestilence and plague
13:04:50 <_bjoern> Into your house, into your bed
13:04:50 <_bjoern> Into your streams, into your streets
13:04:50 <_bjoern> Into your drink, into your bread
13:04:50 <_bjoern> Upon your cattle, on your sheep
13:04:51 <_bjoern> Upon your oxen in your field
13:04:53 <_bjoern> Into your dreams, into your sleep
13:04:55 <_bjoern> Until you break, until you yield
13:04:57 <_bjoern> I send the swarm, I send the horde
13:04:59 <_bjoern> ...
13:05:01 <_bjoern> I send the thunder from the sky
13:05:03 <_bjoern> I send the fire raining down
13:05:05 <_bjoern> ...
13:05:07 <_bjoern> I send a hail of burning ice
13:05:09 <_bjoern> On ev'ry field, on ev'ry town
13:05:11 <_bjoern> ...
13:05:13 <_bjoern> I send the locusts on a wind
13:05:15 <_bjoern> Such as the world has never seen
13:05:17 <_bjoern> On ev'ry leaf, on ev'ry stalk
13:05:19 <_bjoern> Until there's nothing left of green
13:05:21 <_bjoern> I send my scourge, I send my sword
13:05:23 <_bjoern> ]]]
13:05:24 <sbp> hmm, Radiohead should cover this
13:05:25 <_bjoern> WARNING BIG PASTE ABOVE.
13:05:59 <_bjoern> It even has pestilence as you suggested.
13:06:06 <sbp> yeah!
13:06:18 <_bjoern> <咒> AND OXEN
13:07:01 <xover> <insert rant about world's stupidity here>
13:07:19 <xover> I'd say a good fifteen minutes worth or so.
13:07:55 <sbp> SPARQL PRODUCTION:
13:07:56 <sbp> [51] NumericExpression ::= AdditiveExpression
13:08:06 <sbp> MY IMPLEMENTATION THEREOF:
13:08:07 <sbp> @production('NumericExpression')
13:08:07 <sbp> def numericExpression(self):
13:08:08 <sbp> # [51] AdditiveExpression
13:08:08 <sbp> self.additiveExpression() # [52]
13:08:13 <sbp> WIN
13:08:28 <_bjoern> parser writing suckz.
13:08:31 <sbp> yes
13:09:06 <_bjoern> validation is much cooler since you don't care about the shit ur parsing.
13:09:18 <sbp> hehe
13:09:28 <sbp> what about a validating parser?
13:09:49 <_bjoern> by definition any parser is validating.
13:11:12 <Arnia> xover: it is interesting that everyone seems to think the world is stupid.
13:11:30 <_bjoern> Gotta wonder what the world thinks about everyone.
13:12:42 <_bjoern> "The United States has failed to obtain a General Assembly resolution focused on rape used by governments and armed groups to achieve political and military objectives." - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/17/world/17nations.html
13:14:08 <_bjoern> .gc "This administration does not rape"
13:14:10 <phenny> "This administration does not rape": 0
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13:18:07 <xover> Arnia: Let me rephrase; a particular individual has done something stupid in a specific case, and this has happened far too often when I trust others to do stuff.
13:18:31 <Arnia> Ah, precision :)
13:18:41 <xover> Now visualize 15 minutes worth of ranting about it. With loads of otherwise irrelevant details.
13:18:54 <_bjoern> Sounds like you are stupid...
13:19:02 <xover> Yes, I'm beginning to think so.
13:19:13 <_bjoern> Welcome to #Swhack!
13:20:06 * Arnia decorates sbp with parse declarations
13:20:50 <xover> But I have to say, it's bloody liberating to be the stupidest git in the room.
13:20:59 <xover> No pressure, no expectations.
13:21:15 <_bjoern> tell Bush about it!
13:21:34 <xover> Must be why he has that retarded grin on his face all the time.
13:22:17 <_bjoern> He's just happy Cheney didn't shoot in /his/ face.
13:22:36 * Arnia sniggers
13:22:39 <Arnia> ... shoot...
13:22:58 <sbp> hehe
13:23:05 <xover> The mental image of Cheney shooting his load in Bush's face will never fade. Thanks a bunch _bjoern.
13:24:09 <xover> Speaking of... Why in the hell do pornos always have the shot of the guy cumming all over the chick's face?
13:24:24 <xover> Do guys in general really find that exciting?
13:24:38 <xover> Or girls for that matter.
13:25:01 <xover> The bukake fans aside, who actually wants to see that?
13:25:05 <sbp> yeah, that annoys me
13:25:10 <sbp> in fact, men in porn in general
13:25:24 <sbp> BAD PORNMONGERS
13:25:27 <xover> Yes, good point.
13:25:29 * _bjoern nods
13:25:37 <xover> Lesbian porn is the ticket.
13:25:58 * Arnia grumbles
13:26:06 <xover> Except, chicks with strapons scare the living daylights out of me.
13:26:17 <xover> They might get… ideas.
13:26:31 <Arnia> xover: you'd enjoy it
13:26:32 <sbp> hmm, there should be a comedy strapon sketch show
13:26:32 <_bjoern> chicks? how likely is that?
13:27:13 <_bjoern> <咒> XOVER: WHY U HAVE LIVING DAYLIGHTS INSIDE YOU?
13:27:45 <xover> Arnia: Possibly, in theory, on a purely physical level; but the trauma to my fragile homophobic psyche would be irreversible.
13:28:00 <xover> Hmm.
13:28:02 <Arnia> xover: who cares? ;)
13:28:09 * Arnia hands xover the soap
13:28:10 <_bjoern> Monty cares.
13:28:11 <Monty> ehm.
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13:28:21 <_bjoern> Okay...
13:28:24 * xover suddenly finds the term “Homophobic” imprecise.
13:28:26 <_bjoern> lolpipz cares.
13:28:41 <sbp> no really, there should be a comedy strapon sketch show
13:28:46 <lolpipz> _bjoern: WUT YU SAID WAZ EITHR T COMPLEX OR T SIMPLE FR ME.
13:29:03 <_bjoern> well make one!
13:29:19 <sbp> that would require effort!
13:29:30 <Arnia> sbp: CHARGE!
13:29:34 <xover> Or just a whole bunch of vaseline and a webcam.
13:29:37 <sbp> if a job's worth being done, it's worth getting Monty to do it for you
13:29:39 <Monty> Ring the cold caller
13:29:40 <sbp> CHEARG!
13:29:53 * Arnia does a carvery run in a moment of dyslexic joy
13:30:00 <_bjoern> Monty is all outsourcing again.
13:30:01 <Monty> Earlier you said your bitch baby .
13:30:02 <sbp> hehe
13:30:02 <Arnia> Got roast beef?
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13:30:49 * xover goes for more espresso…
13:30:51 * Arnia is always upstaged by Monty
13:30:51 <Monty> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec8.html#sec8.1.2.2
13:31:21 <_bjoern> Don't drag HTTP into this porn discussion Monty.
13:31:21 <Monty> open
13:31:32 <_bjoern> Monty: NO 咒
13:31:35 <Monty> After all, LuRcH's trusted warts respects crass mild the_other_cj!
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13:33:18 <xover> .w phobic
13:33:20 <phenny> phobic a. 1: Suffering from irrational fears.
13:33:24 <_bjoern> .gc "artificial fellatio"
13:33:26 <phenny> "artificial fellatio": 875
13:33:31 <xover> .ety phobic
13:33:34 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "phobic". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=phobic
13:33:43 <_bjoern> .ety phobia
13:33:45 <phenny> "1786, 'fear, horror, aversion,' Mod.L., abstracted from compounds in -phobia, from Gk. -phobia, from phobos 'fear,' originally 'flight' (still the only sense in Homer), but it became the common word for 'fear' via the notion of 'panic, fright' (cf. phobein 'put to [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=phobia
13:34:45 <sbp> whoo, it are teh parse
13:34:53 * sbp just added very basic FILTER capabilities
13:35:00 <xover> We need a word to be to —phobic as Neutrino is to Neutron.
13:35:11 <_bjoern> phibic.
13:35:24 <sbp> -phobico
13:35:43 <_bjoern> phibiccino
13:35:44 <sbp> -phobiclet?
13:36:21 <_bjoern> That would be an oddly named + darkness protection bracelet.
13:36:36 <_bjoern> or one that automatically applies that status maybe
13:36:56 <sbp> no? you?
13:37:01 <Arnia> @_bjoern--
13:37:06 <Arnia> BAD
13:37:09 <_bjoern> or perhaps it greatly increases your +evade status at the expense of some other status.
13:37:18 <_bjoern> HA NO SUPYBOT
13:37:18 <Arnia> No RPGs here... at least not now
13:37:29 <_bjoern> you shouldn't be here anyway
13:37:32 <Arnia> There is a badger lurking behind you and we don't want to give away our strategy
13:37:33 <_bjoern> GO WORK
13:37:48 <_bjoern> BADGERS FREE ZONE
13:37:59 <Arnia> _bjoern: I AM WORKING
13:38:06 <Arnia> Reading up on Generating Functions
13:38:08 <_bjoern> .gc hydro-phibic
13:38:10 <phenny> hydro-phibic: 1,060
13:38:44 <_bjoern> NEW WORD: phibism
13:39:14 * _bjoern rejoices <3 vodka
13:39:47 <Arnia> TEH VODKA IS WATER
13:39:56 <Arnia> WE REPLACED IT LAST NIGHT. STOP.
13:40:32 <_bjoern> +40% Water. Good stuff.
13:40:47 <_bjoern> .gc phibiclet
13:40:50 <phenny> phibiclet: 0
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13:55:56 <Arnia> .wik Stuart Miles
13:55:59 <phenny> "Stuart Miles (born 20 February 1970) is a British comedian and television presenter, best known for presenting the popular children's programme Blue Peter." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Miles
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13:56:03 <Arnia> Read to the bottom
13:56:08 <_bjoern> darobin!
13:56:15 <_bjoern> He can answer xover's question!
13:57:53 <_bjoern> "For the love of all that is good and proper, please never ever use XML Schema if there is any way you can help it." - Aristotle Pagaltzis
13:58:37 <sbp> heh, Filter means three different things in the SPARQL spec
13:58:44 <Arnia> ?!
13:58:49 * Arnia nukes SPARQL
13:58:59 <Arnia> NO POLYSEMY. BAD SPEC!
13:59:03 <sbp> first they define it as a bit of surface syntax for a transformation
13:59:15 <sbp> secondly they define it as a part of the abstract syntax
13:59:37 <sbp> and then they define it as an operation for evaluating the abstract syntax element of the same name
13:59:56 <Arnia> mm... overloading
14:00:13 <Arnia> AH BEANZ MEANZ HEINZ
14:00:23 * Arnia covers _bjoern with baked beans
14:00:26 <Arnia> Variety 58
14:00:35 <sbp> wow, the twist at the end of Stuart Miles was unexpected
14:00:39 <sbp> I remember him, vaguely
14:00:43 <sbp> I remember Katy Hill better
14:01:29 <Arnia> sbp: a couple of friends were discussing Blue Peter on facebook this morning and one of them mentioned that Stuart Miles was performing
14:07:52 <sbp> heh
14:08:00 <sbp> he sure is
14:09:02 <darobin> _bjoern!
14:09:44 <_bjoern> ㋡
14:11:02 <sbp> I like how some of the expected/reference SPARQL test results are in Turtle, and some are in the XML Results Format
14:11:09 <sbp> just for ease of use, you know?
14:11:21 <sbp> (AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH)
14:12:37 <_bjoern> It's my fault. I told them to do it so you go all "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH" and save yourself from the semweb-verse.
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14:13:24 <sbp> ¶
14:13:29 <sbp> ...!
14:13:34 <sbp> 咒
14:13:39 <_bjoern> _
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14:13:47 <sbp> keyboard mode switched again
14:13:56 <sbp> must've reverted to Welsh when I restarted X-Chat Aqua
14:14:12 <cr`x_> you have a mode just for goofy unicode chars?
14:14:17 <sbp> yes
14:14:24 <cr`x_> good man!
14:14:26 <sbp> it's called "Swhack!"
14:14:58 <cr`x_> My mode is actually slightly customized, myself
14:15:00 <cr`x_> ᵹ
14:15:15 <sbp> .pc ᵹ
14:15:17 <phenny> 1D79: LATIN SMALL LETTER INSULAR G (ᵹ)
14:15:18 <sbp> what's that bound to?
14:15:23 <sbp> and moreover, why?
14:16:03 <cr`x_> option-g. As for the why… well, the short story is I like it. The slightly longer story is that it's part of a handwriting system I have devised for myself.
14:16:24 <sbp> let's see now... possible people who are you...
14:16:28 <sbp> did you write NmapFE?
14:16:30 <cr`x_> As is ȝ
14:16:54 <sbp> handwriting system as in a shorthand?
14:17:21 <sbp> yogh is Alt+: y for me
14:17:29 <cr`x_> i didn't write NmapFE, no. And it's a sort of shorthand; though in its principles it bears much more kinship with the scribal abbreviation system than with any actual shorthand
14:17:29 <sbp> which is a bit baroque, but at least I can type it
14:17:36 <sbp> that was inherited from the Welsh layout, in fact
14:17:48 <sbp> ah, so not a phonetic shorthand
14:17:52 <cr`x_> Right.
14:18:02 <cr`x_> It's strictly conservative of actual spelling.
14:18:10 <cr`x_> Non-lossy, if you will
14:18:14 <sbp> heh
14:18:30 <cr`x_> Except sometimes I fudge my there/their/theyre
14:18:43 <sbp> did you introduce C# 2.0 nullable types in some article?
14:18:57 <_bjoern> "Court Bars Secret Papers in Eavesdropping Case" - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/17/washington/17nsa.html?ref=us
14:18:59 <sbp> theeaaahh
14:19:26 <sbp> alright, what should I call srx as in input format name?
14:19:30 <_bjoern> good title:
14:19:32 <_bjoern> .title http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/16/ww.humancloning/
14:19:35 <phenny> _bjoern: You, again: Are we getting closer to cloning humans? - CNN.com
14:19:40 <sbp> other names include ... hehe
14:19:46 <sbp> include rdfxml, turtle, n3...
14:19:57 <sbp> but srx is too abbv
14:20:09 <_bjoern> nu !
14:20:16 <cr`x_> sbp, I definitely didn't introduce
14:20:23 <cr`x_> C# types in any article.
14:20:29 <sbp> and the official name, "SPARQL Query Results XML Format", is too un-abbreviationalised
14:20:34 <cr`x_> http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004198811092154447
14:20:39 <sbp> cr`x_: 'k. what did you do?
14:20:45 <sbp> asl? pix plz?
14:20:58 <cr`x_> Not a lot, actually. http://apodion.net is me
14:21:08 <sbp> hmm, nice. except that you use lined paper which is an abomination
14:21:21 <sbp> but perhaps it was under duress
14:21:36 <cr`x_> I disagree most urgently!
14:22:15 <sbp> wow
14:22:23 <sbp> you used "Divers" in a post title
14:22:27 <sbp> in the sense of diverse
14:22:35 <sbp> that almost makes up for lined paper
14:22:52 <sbp> not quite though. lined paper is really pretty bad 咒
14:23:00 <cr`x_> As opposed to what?
14:23:04 <cr`x_> squared?
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14:23:45 <sbp> plain!
14:24:03 <sbp> pure, sweet, melodiously plain paper, the way nature intended it
14:24:05 <cr`x_> that's insane.
14:24:15 <sbp> well, I suppose nature intended it ringed, but whatever
14:24:31 <sbp> you know they print the lines on right?
14:24:32 <cr`x_> call me stodgy, but I like my writing to proceed in roughly straight lines, you know.
14:24:50 <cr`x_> I know they do. As far as I can tell, chalk another one up to human ingenuity.
14:24:58 <sbp> call me pretentious, but I'm glad to have that capability without the assistance of printed guides
14:25:29 <sbp> just like in the good old days
14:25:39 <sbp> Shakespeare didn't write on lined paper, but he got on quite well!
14:26:00 <cr`x_> You're a better man than I, then. The whole reason I started on my weird writing system project is that my handwriting was not quite there. Certainly not capable of proceeding straightly without lines. I suppose these days I'd be better. But yours is still a position I haven't met yet
14:26:12 <cr`x_> Why did you think I was those two guys, up there?
14:26:16 <sbp> of course the best solution is to type instead...
14:26:28 <sbp> which two guys? hmm?
14:27:01 <cr`x_> The NmapFE or the C# guys.
14:27:12 <sbp> oh, I just googled for your name
14:27:28 <sbp> hence "<sbp> let's see now... possible people who are you..."
14:27:44 <cr`x_> oh yeah, it's in there, isn't it?
14:28:24 <cr`x_> basically none of those hits are me, and pretty much all of Z. D. Smith are
14:28:26 <sbp> hmm. your system isn't cursive
14:28:28 <sbp> aha
14:29:03 <sbp> in teh England we say "zed-dee"
14:29:08 <sbp> which is quite funny, when you think about it
14:30:02 <cr`x_> I appreciate Zed. I take some pride in having overcome my obligatory teenage anglophilia, but if you recite serial numbers over the phone for a living, it's nice to have
14:30:31 <MoiraA> lo
14:30:40 <sbp> "sparql-results+xml" - seems like sparql-results is the order of the day
14:30:55 <sbp> yo MoiraA
14:31:55 <sbp> wow, the example transforms for srx are... kinda crap
14:32:32 <sbp> they should've put 'em through the Microformats process
14:32:38 <sbp> that would've straightened 'em up
14:35:03 <sbp> heh, and then I go and call the parser module "srx.py"
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14:42:22 <sbp> omg hi JaRoLLz
14:42:28 <sbp> asl?
14:42:29 <JaRoLLz> hi too
14:42:43 <JaRoLLz> 19 m Stygia
14:42:57 <sbp> 'k thx. hai ! welcome to Swhack
14:43:23 <JaRoLLz> what is the main food in this channel?
14:43:27 <sbp> "The inhabitants of fictional Stygia are not to be confused with the historical Egyptians."
14:43:33 <sbp> food == love
14:44:29 <JaRoLLz> if (food == love) { return explain(eat); }
14:44:43 <sbp> omg u used braces lol
14:45:02 <JaRoLLz> omg i love C, so?
14:45:13 <darobin> ah, one of those
14:45:20 <darobin> they are teh funny
14:45:25 <sbp> >>> print eat.__doc__
14:45:25 <sbp> Eating love is like when a man and a woman love food very much...
14:45:25 <sbp> >>>
14:45:46 <darobin> Monty: wanna eat some love of mine baby?
14:45:47 <Monty> bancus: "geiles" (de)
14:45:58 <darobin> Monty: you prefer bancus :(
14:45:59 <Monty> Sup didn't shoot at all.
14:46:09 <sbp> Monty does not waterboard
14:46:10 <darobin> Monty: I didn't need to know...
14:46:12 <Monty> pirch was ok. But anyway; I'm kinda boring ;-)
14:46:14 <Monty> can't you lot better job than Apache closes the person in UTF-8?
14:46:43 <darobin> phenny: "geiles"?
14:46:56 <sbp> JaRoLLz: so how's Stygia working out for you?
14:46:56 <phenny> darobin: "geiles" (de)
14:47:19 <darobin> .mangle eariler you said your bitch baby
14:47:29 <phenny> darobin: "That the baby of their Mrs. Sie who little with more with more eariler explain"
14:47:30 <JaRoLLz> sbp: Stygia?
14:47:40 <JaRoLLz> sbp: why do you wanna know?
14:47:45 <JaRoLLz> sbp: it's in the lower planes
14:47:46 <sbp> JaRoLLz: the place where you purportedly live. at least remember your own LIEZ
14:47:55 <sbp> I want to know because food == love
14:48:01 <JaRoLLz> sbp: well it's hot as ever
14:48:08 <sbp> so in other words, sbp.wantsToKnowAbout(stygia) unless food != love
14:48:08 <darobin> and what about music in there?
14:49:18 <JaRoLLz> sbp: well :: if (defined(SBP) && dontKnow(stygia,sbp)) then return "hot";
14:49:42 <cr`x_> Geil means 'cool' (as in radical), I think.
14:49:49 <cr`x_> slang-wise.
14:50:23 * sbp sobs at his crazy XML parser in rdfxml.py, thinks about using minidom instead...
14:50:54 <sbp> I WILL DO IT
14:52:22 <sbp> note to any poor bastard implementing a SPARQL processor in the future: it is not trivial
14:53:46 <sbp> tsk, typo in http://docs.python.org/lib/module-xml.dom.minidom.html
14:54:03 <sbp> parse(filename_or_file, parser) should be parse(filename_or_file[, parser])
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15:07:43 <cr`x_> duly noted
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15:18:51 <nsh> Monty, what's the manifesto?
15:18:52 <Monty> Please go on.
15:19:44 <nsh> Monty, it'll do.
15:19:47 <Monty> Hm. My thunderbird client sends one, isn't writing suckz.
15:20:36 <sbp> nsh!
15:20:48 <nsh> sbp!
15:21:00 <sbp> I arr programming
15:21:04 <sbp> what up?
15:21:09 <nsh> what's the swerve?
15:21:13 <nsh> eh
15:21:18 <nsh> .ety swerve
15:21:20 <phenny> "c.1225, 'to depart, make off;' c.1330, 'to turn aside, deviate from a straight course,' probably from O.E. sweorfan 'to rub, scour, file' (but sense development is difficult to trace), from P.Gmc. *swerbanan (cf O.N. sverfa 'to scour, file,' O.S. swebran 'to wipe [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=swerve
15:21:26 * nsh tired and fuzzy
15:21:39 <sbp> The Swerve is a fresh new dance from the Brazillian Outback where you take your partner by the grappling hook and rock them softly over a pirhana infested puddle
15:21:54 * nsh looks for a class near him
15:22:08 <nsh> what vanilla of programming are you?
15:22:40 <sbp> instead of piranha puddles, most UK schools of the dance just fill a bucket with some nik-naks
15:22:48 <sbp> the plainiest
15:23:08 <nsh> icicle city
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15:24:20 <nsh> there needs to be an internet imagination machine
15:24:27 <sbp> what would it do?
15:24:31 <nsh> that you can seed with random phrasiology
15:24:36 <nsh> and it generates stuff
15:24:42 <nsh> that's... fantastical!
15:24:49 <sbp> oh, heh. I read that as "internet immigration machine"
15:25:07 * nsh chuckles
15:25:18 <nsh> we should all emmigrate to the internet
15:25:25 <sbp> we all have...
15:25:43 <nsh> true(somewhat)
15:25:44 <sbp> effectively
15:25:55 <nsh> but we could do to be more effective about it
15:26:17 <nsh> did you ever watch the anime series Serial Experiments Lain?
15:26:18 <sbp> you could. I'm in here pretty much 24/7. well, 18/7
15:26:25 <sbp> nope?
15:26:44 <nsh> ah, it was quite early nineties but presaged a lot about the effects of the internet
15:26:50 <nsh> or "the wired" as it was called
15:26:54 <sbp> sweet
15:27:05 <sbp> animè getting futar prediction right
15:27:23 <nsh> yeah, i think they have futar in cage and extract from it with pipe
15:28:10 <nsh> i have this impression that the entire secret manifesto of post-industrial japan is to create mecha-warriors and everything else is just a diversion
15:28:23 <nsh> at least, i'd like to think so
15:28:43 <sbp> hehe
15:28:55 <cr`x_> japan is the three-eyed fish of america's pop culture
15:29:09 <nsh> This.
15:29:12 <sbp> and increasingly vice versa
15:29:51 <nsh> .ety bizarre
15:29:54 <phenny> "c.1648, from Fr. bizarre 'odd, fantastic,' originally 'handsome, brave,' from Basque bizar 'a beard' (th notion being of the strange impression made in France by bearded Sp. soldiers); alternative etymology traces it to It. bizarro 'angry, fierce, irascible,' from [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=bizarre
15:30:28 <nsh> (... from Bizza "fit of anger")
15:30:49 <sbp> sweorfan
15:30:50 * nsh makes note to have a bizza at next viable opportunity
15:30:57 <sbp> O.E./P.Gmc. rules
15:31:07 <nsh> yeah
15:31:42 <nsh> there should be linguistic overlays on consciousness, so you could just throw archaic languages over reality
15:32:13 <nsh> and everything people say will be construed in those terms by some technomagic
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15:33:13 <nsh> ............
15:33:32 * nsh half-watching some documentary on Anarchism in America over some psytrance to test new speakers
15:33:41 <nsh> and it was all making vague but ignorable sense
15:34:00 <nsh> now all of a sudden some guy called israel is smashing squashes (the vegitable) with a hammer
15:34:58 <nsh> and pumpkins
15:35:51 <nsh> and talking about nature's helmet for the tomato
15:37:36 <cr`x_> nsh, i agree
15:37:58 <cr`x_> but as long as we're not there yet, we have little choice but to overlay them ourselves.
15:38:22 <cr`x_> As I see it, there's no one who couldn't benefit from a strata of old english in their linguistic perspective
15:39:04 <nsh> i find your verbals truesome
15:39:20 <cr`x_> i'm on yiddish right now
15:39:27 <cr`x_> but i'm getting me some old english books
15:39:46 <cr`x_> before long i intend to be thinking of things in terms of sc and cg
15:39:58 <cr`x_> and written in hebrew characters.
15:40:27 <nsh> sc, cg?
15:42:13 <cr`x_> it's how you write ʃ and dȝ in OE
15:42:29 <cr`x_> fisc, ecg
15:42:43 <cr`x_> = fish, edge
15:43:26 <sbp> <nsh> and talking about nature's helmet for the tomato
15:43:27 <sbp> ...hehe
15:44:34 <nsh> ah, i sees
15:47:15 * cr`x_ is rather surprised he doesn't have ʃ anywhere in his keylayout
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