00:00:26 <mini-man> erm
00:00:27 <mini-man> http://pastebin.com/m6e6718d9
00:00:31 <mini-man> I'm pretty stuck on that..
00:01:12 <mini-man> see the checkFlood class - it works perfectly, except let's say I say 20 lines in excess flood, it iwll kick me twice, even though I say nothing after it kicked me the first time for the first 5 lines of spam. o___O
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00:33:36 <pierpa> phenny: "bengelchen"
00:33:57 <pierpa> phenny: "bengel"
00:34:11 <pierpa> phenny: help
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00:34:13 <phenny> Hi, I'm phenny (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
00:34:16 <phenny> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, compare, email, event, gimage, google, googlecalc, googlecount, googledef, httphead, kalusa, mangle, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, rate, rates, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
00:34:20 <phenny> Try "phenny: help command?" if stuck. My owner is sbp.
00:34:46 <pierpa> phenny: translate "bengelchen"
00:34:58 <pierpa> hmmm
00:35:09 <pierpa> phenny: help translate
00:35:11 <phenny> 'phenny: "<phrase>"? - Translate <phrase>'
00:35:23 <pierpa> phenny: "bengelchen"?
00:35:33 <phenny> pierpa: "bengelchen" (de)
00:35:34 <pierpa> phenny: "bengel"?
00:35:37 <phenny> pierpa: "bengel" (nl)
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01:59:27 <Tene> .g "hot blonde soup"
01:59:30 <phenny> Tene: http://hot-blonde.jnshosting.com/
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02:18:32 <deltab> The fastest way to tie shoelaces: http://www.mordiallocchelsealeader.com.au/article/2007/11/19/25551_mcv_news.html
02:23:17 <nsh> finally, i can achieve optimal efficiency!
02:23:29 <clsn> I found a website all about fast shoelace-tying once. I wonder if it is the one referenced.
02:24:01 <clsn> I think it is...
02:24:10 <clsn> Had some okay suggestions, too.
02:24:19 <clsn> not just fast, but other variants.
02:24:54 <clsn> .g shoelace tying
02:24:57 <phenny> clsn: http://www.shoelaceknot.com/shoelace/knots.htm
02:25:18 <clsn> yep that's it.
02:25:29 <clsn> .title http://www.shoelaceknot.com/shoelace/knots.htm
02:25:32 <phenny> clsn: Ian's Shoelace Site - Shoelace Knots - How To Tie Your Shoes
02:27:39 <jsled> I have to say, I'm very happy with the better bow.
02:27:52 <jsled> though it's hard to do with a short run of lace.
02:30:41 <clsn> Yeah, I sometimes do the Better Bow to keep my shoelaces from untying in certain circumstances.
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02:39:07 <nsh> .ety ocelot
02:39:10 <phenny> "'large wildcat of Central and South America,' 1775, from Fr. ocelot, formed in Fr. by naturalist de Buffon (1707-1788), from Nahuatl ocelotl 'jaguar' (in full tlalocelotl, a compound formed with tlalli 'field')." - http://etymonline.com/?term=ocelot
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03:49:03 <Monty> But what does cre8radix have to do with the price of fish?
03:49:05 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
03:49:06 <Monty> bi-confused: 1,170
03:50:50 <nsh> i appear to have unlearned all my mathematics :-/
03:51:01 <nsh> this may be problematic
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04:52:47 <_bjoern> .calc 2 GB over 768kbps
04:52:49 <phenny> (2 gigabytes) over (768 kbps) = 6.06814815 hours
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05:37:41 <pierpa>
05:37:42 <pierpa>
05:37:42 <pierpa>
05:37:48 <pierpa> .weather lirf
05:37:51 <phenny> Clear ☼, 3℃, 1021mb, Light air 3kt (↑) - LIRF 6:50, 0550Z
05:37:54 <nsh>
05:37:55 <nsh>
05:37:55 <nsh>
05:37:56 <nsh>
05:37:59 <nsh> do i get powers now?
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05:38:01 <Monty> hi thelsdj
05:38:42 <pierpa> sorry, I don't know where these blank lines came from.
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06:07:45 * Arnia_ blinks
06:07:57 <Arnia_> Ok... shouldn't have got back in at ten to seven
06:21:19 *** Arnia_ is now known as Arnia
06:21:30 <Arnia> "i wonder, if one could formulate a meta-antropic principle: given any kind of universe, if an inteligent observer evolves (s)he will always develop a theory of why the universe has to be such as to support this particular form of intelligent observer."
06:21:42 <Arnia> -- http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=594#comment-28280
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06:54:02 <xover> .title http://use.perl.org/articles/07/11/15/223246.shtml
06:54:05 <phenny> xover: use Perl | Fuse::PDF
07:14:32 <_bjoern> sick.
07:15:55 * _bjoern has an idea for a hax
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07:23:00 <Monty> howdy, beobal
07:23:23 <xover> «Mr. McBride came over and shared some small talk with the 3 of us during the 45-minute break.» — Groklaw
07:23:51 <xover> Darl McBride is making with the friendly with Groklaw folks now? `the fuck?
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07:47:25 <procto> Arnia: I just finished a 2 page survey of decision theoretic semantcs. interested in having a peek?
07:47:44 <procto> I really hope we're not graded on this part, because it's not my best work ever :>
07:50:25 <procto> \/x procto(x) --> sleep-madness(x)
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07:58:07 <sbp> no YOU are buttersafe
08:00:15 <sbp> .title neu.edu
08:00:28 <phenny> sbp: Northeastern University
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08:02:37 <Monty> hi beobal, how ya doing?
08:02:39 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
08:02:41 <Monty> We're extremely unlikely to judge too lame
08:02:44 <_bjoern> omg .title sucks less now!?
08:05:19 <sbp> "what's up CUTE TENTACLE!" "meow."
08:05:21 <sbp> yeah
08:05:31 <sbp> sorry, CUTE TENTACLE!!
08:05:33 <sbp> - http://buttersafe.com/2007/10/23/the-moon/
08:05:50 <sbp> I SAY HELLO UNTO THEE BJOERNENCES
08:05:57 <sbp> IN THE FORM OF A TENTACLE CARTOON
08:06:00 <_bjoern> Above the sun!
08:09:27 <xover> Hmm.
08:09:33 <xover> Gmail information leak.
08:09:46 <_bjoern> "The number of people newly infected with HIV has dropped significantly in recent years around the world, especially in sub-Saharan Africa, according to a United Nations report to be released today."
08:09:49 <xover> I know how often sbp checks his email.
08:10:23 <sbp> xover: hehe
08:10:52 <sbp> main account: always a tab open to it, always GMail Notifier running
08:11:05 <sbp> secondary account: depends, but usually several times a day; always when I get up at least
08:11:44 <sbp> at least I'm not a paralegal
08:12:33 <procto> phenny: tell arnia my short 2 page survey of decision theoretic semantics is here: http://www.mockingeye.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/reading-review.pdf
08:12:36 <phenny> procto: I'll pass that on when arnia is around.
08:13:50 <xover> There are some scary scary people on here.
08:14:12 * xover buggers off to `ork…
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08:33:05 <Monty> howdy, darobin_
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08:40:24 <sbp> PARENTS.
08:40:29 <sbp> The Anti-Drug.
08:40:37 <sbp> seems clear to me
08:40:49 <sbp> if you take too much drug, take parents and that'll balance it out
08:42:00 <_bjoern> but why should I check it out?
08:42:13 <_bjoern> and why is their space everyone's space?
08:42:23 <_bjoern> why would antidrugs have space on their own?
08:42:41 <_bjoern> not to mention the pixelated eyes.
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08:45:02 <sbp> the eyes are pixelated because if they were in too high a resolution you wouldn't click through to what must be a more high resolution version of it
08:45:41 <_bjoern> Well I didn't click it
08:45:58 <sbp> you just don't give a hoot about resolution, do you?
08:47:29 <_bjoern> here is another one http://media.nyadmcncserve-05y06a.com/iframe?spacedesc=1092143_1061363_600x400_1082327_1092143&target=_blank&@CPSC@=
08:47:39 <_bjoern> ooh it'a animated actually
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08:48:59 <_bjoern> "TEST YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR TEEN'S WORLD: Skittles, prosti-tots, poking, ..."
08:49:53 <_bjoern> .compare "parents are scary" "parents aren't scary"
08:49:56 <phenny> "parents are scary" (9,090), "parents aren't scary" (2)
08:54:26 <sbp> "go to work, jerk off a monkey, sit around drinking apple-substitute milk from Japan, take the pressurised underground tubes home, kiss your wife on the tentacle, ask her where she got the tentacle from, laugh when she explains it's a prosthesis she got from the local joke shop, look horrified when the tentacle engulfs both of you and squeezes you tight..."
08:54:38 <_bjoern> 'k
08:55:47 <sbp> ...prosti-tots?
08:56:12 <_bjoern> .g prosti-tots
08:56:14 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117822,00.html
08:56:35 <sbp> [[[
08:56:37 <sbp> "They're called 'prostitots,'" said Anna Miressi, a Kingston, N.Y., high school freshman who claims the term is commonly used among her peers. "It's those girls at the mall with the tight jeans and belly shirts. They're in between the age group of 10 to 13 or 14."
08:56:38 <sbp> ]]]
08:56:41 <_bjoern> "A Prosti-tot is a young underage girl dressed to get laid, aka jailbait"
08:56:52 <sbp> ah
08:57:10 <sbp> it's
08:57:19 <sbp> a subclass of jailbait and skank
08:58:33 <_bjoern> .ety skittles
08:58:36 <phenny> "1634, pl. of skittle, one of the pins used in the game, probably from a Scand. source (cf. Norw. skyttel 'shuttle')." - http://etymonline.com/?term=skittles
08:59:03 *** sbp changed the topic to: "I don't care what the kidnappers of arse say at astroman headquarters"
09:00:36 <_bjoern> .gc "Linux in a web browser"
09:00:39 <phenny> "Linux in a web browser": 20,800
09:01:41 <sbp> .title http://www.foxnews.com/gossip/index.html
09:01:44 <phenny> sbp: Lips & Ears - FOXNews.com
09:03:12 <sbp> '"We are wearing clothes tonight — the clothes are definitely staying on," Halliwell and Emma "Baby Spice" Bunton said. "Everything the Spice Girls do is PG."' - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312135,00.html
09:03:45 <_bjoern> Don't stay too long on that site.
09:04:31 <_bjoern> "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of people in U.S. prisons has risen eight-fold since 1970, with little impact on crime but at great cost to taxpayers and society, researchers said in a report calling for a major justice-system overhaul." - http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1841666120071119
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09:11:06 <Monty> yo _greg_!
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09:12:57 <Monty> But what does chris2 have to do with the price of fish?
09:12:59 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
09:12:59 <Monty> Applying patch
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09:19:59 * sbp revokes Monty's patch
09:20:00 <Monty> Tapsi?
09:21:43 <_bjoern> .wik Guba
09:21:46 <phenny> "Guba a coat made of coarse knotted cloth" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guba
09:21:52 <sbp> .wik Kuba
09:21:55 <phenny> "an Indian princely state" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuba
09:22:13 <_bjoern> German for Cuba, actually.
09:22:18 <sbp> 'k
09:22:19 <_bjoern> The K one.
09:22:23 <sbp> phenny: de "Guba"?
09:22:26 <sbp> ohe
09:22:26 <phenny> sbp: "Guba" (de)
09:22:30 <sbp> phenny: de "Kuba"?
09:22:33 <phenny> sbp: "Cuba" (de)
09:22:36 <sbp> YOMON
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09:24:36 <_bjoern> "Italy's justice minister has objected to a U.S. court's refusal to extradite a convicted Mafia drug trafficker on the grounds that a special prison regime he would face in Italy is equivalent to torture." - http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1629493920071016
09:24:47 <sbp> oh man
09:25:00 <sbp> Italy waterboard? I didn't know that
09:25:01 <realist> I'm looking for the AIML bots.
09:25:07 <sbp> which AIML bots?
09:25:30 <realist> bender/pip
09:25:32 <_bjoern> "The judge was referring to a prison regime known as "41b", originally designed for mobsters and extended to crimes such as terrorism. It strictly limits contact with the outside world, visits, access to the open air and contact with other prisoners."
09:25:39 <sbp> lolpipz: SAY HIE TO REALIST PLZ
09:25:45 <lolpipz> sbp: HIE 2 REALIST PLZ.
09:26:00 <sbp> realist: there you go
09:27:41 <realist> Whois Chris Prather?
09:28:18 <sbp> perigrin
09:29:11 <sbp> lolpipz: GIVE US TEH MORE INSIGHT ON CHRIS PRATHER PLZ
09:29:12 <lolpipz> sbp: I DONT HAVE IT TO GIVE.
09:29:16 <sbp> 'K
09:29:25 <realist> sbp: thanks :-)
09:29:28 <sbp> yw
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09:35:14 <sbp> you know what's cool?
09:35:15 <sbp> zooplankton
09:35:22 <chris2> ice
09:35:31 <sbp> ice is cold not cool YOU FOOL
09:36:05 <sbp> zooplankton are way cooler than ice
09:36:07 <chris2> and chili is chilly
09:36:16 <sbp> .compare "cold as ice" "cool as ice"
09:36:19 <phenny> "cold as ice" (1,050,000), "cool as ice" (228,000)
09:38:58 <chris2> i'm not a native speaker, you know. but i speak and write english for maybe eight years now
09:39:17 <chris2> and yesterday i realized that pubic hair is written without an "l"!
09:39:25 <sbp> hehe
09:39:33 <sbp> .ety pubic
09:39:36 <phenny> "1831, from pubis 'bone of the groin' (1597), short for L. pubis os, from L. pubes (gen. pubis) 'pubic hair,' from L. pubes 'genital area, groin,' related to pubes 'full-grown' (see puberty)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=pubic
09:39:48 <sbp> the bone of the groin
09:40:23 <chris2> so i decided to make a sexblog called "national pubic radio"
09:40:50 <libby> (re pubic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicecupoftea/1471958952/)
09:43:31 <sbp> ahahaha
09:43:37 <realist> nice bots :-)
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10:43:05 <Monty> hi JibberJim
10:50:58 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "An iuno doc, iuno being an RDF Stylesheet language" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/51125
10:52:13 <sbp> it's like a subset of XSLT that can only produce RDF
10:52:29 <sbp> the nice thing is that you can merge iuno documents before running them on input
10:52:35 <sbp> try doing that with XSLT
10:52:47 <sbp> (you probably can do it with XSLT too, but not as easy I'd guess)
10:53:05 <sbp> (and how would you treat the outputs?)
10:57:36 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #51125 with "Slight Modification" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/51125#1
10:58:01 <sbp> .wik Juno
10:58:04 <phenny> "Juno (mythology), a major Roman goddess" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno
10:58:36 <sbp> "Juno was the sister and wife of the ruler of the gods, Jupiter"
11:02:34 <sbp> 'Bottom line? Python is all about "batteries included". But the XML batteries are weak.' - http://www.somebits.com/weblog/tech/python/xpath.html
11:04:23 <sbp> what I want is a module which, given a set of xpath expressions and an XML document, parses the XML document and goes BING! whenever one of the xpaths matches
11:04:38 <sbp> that would be donkeyrad
11:04:53 <sbp> DONKEYRAD I TELL YOU, YOU FUCKBALL
11:05:10 <sbp> I wonder if there's a decent parseable subset of XPath...
11:05:15 <sbp> XPath Lite PLZ
11:09:13 <sbp> heh. RDF Stylesheet Language -> RSLang
11:09:53 <sbp> it'd be nice if I could prove a Juno merge to be faster than the equivalent XSLT chain
11:12:40 <sbp> rats, a Juno merge isn't an RDF merge
11:12:48 <sbp> because of the xpath namespace bindings
11:13:17 <_bjoern> there are many xpath subsets...
11:13:25 <sbp> ooh. got docs?
11:13:26 <_bjoern> but parsing it shouldn't be hard, should it?
11:13:32 <sbp> nope, shouldn't be
11:13:39 <sbp> I think this might be a doer
11:13:51 <_bjoern> Well XML Schema has one, XSLT has one, there are streaming subsets, ...
11:14:02 <sbp> streaming subsets?
11:14:06 <sbp> gimme plz
11:14:17 <_bjoern> ".g" ur friend!!
11:14:23 <sbp> NO, U!
11:14:24 <_bjoern> .g xpath subset streaming
11:14:27 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.stylusstudio.com/xmldev/200412/post60620.html
11:15:08 <sbp> hmm, interesting
11:16:25 * sbp googles for more
11:17:59 <sbp> "XSQ [a "Streaming XPath Engine"] is implemented using Java and a SAX parser. The design is based on generating an automaton from the given XPath query. The automaton may be described briefly as an hierarchical arrangement of pushdown transducers augmented with buffers." - http://www.cs.umd.edu/projects/xsq/
11:19:47 <sbp> [[[
11:19:48 <sbp> To the best of our knowledge, our method for evaluating XPath
11:19:48 <sbp> queries over streaming data is the £rst one that handles closures,
11:19:48 <sbp> aggregations, and multiple predicates.the author A must continue to be buffered. When we encounter
11:19:48 <sbp> the two author subelements of the second book, we need to buffer
11:19:55 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.cs.umd.edu/projects/xsq/
11:20:05 <sbp> £rst is a brilliant, brilliant verb
11:20:13 <sbp> "I invented it £rst!"
11:20:36 <sbp> er, wrong link. http://www.cs.umd.edu/projects/xsq/sig03.ps
11:23:07 <sbp> [[[
11:23:08 <sbp> As noted earlier, XSQ implements all of XPath 1.0 [23] (includ-
11:23:08 <sbp> ing closures, aggregations, and multiple predicates) except reverse
11:23:08 <sbp> axes (such as preceding-sibling) and position functions (such
11:23:08 <sbp> as pos() and last()). For the rest of this paper, we will focus on
11:23:09 <sbp> the core subset of XPath described by the grammar shown in Figure 3.
11:23:11 <sbp> ]]] - ibid.
11:23:50 <sbp> Figure 3. is a bit *too* subsetty though, perhaps
11:24:15 <sbp> hmm. maybe not
11:28:37 <sbp> (thx ô _bjoern)
11:33:11 <_bjoern> < 冗 > L33T
11:42:31 <MoiraA> anybody want me? noticed the highlight but I've gone way back and can't find it - was probably just monty after a disconnect anyway
11:42:32 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
11:42:57 <sbp> hehe
11:43:19 <MoiraA> I knew I'd set him off!
11:43:20 <sbp> I can't recall you being mentioned recently
11:43:30 <sbp> w'up?
11:43:45 <realist> You should probably set your /away, and log highlights ;-)
11:44:09 <MoiraA> I could certainly set away, that makes sense
11:44:15 <sbp> that would obviate all the fun of asking though!
11:44:26 <MoiraA> it'll be logged somewhere, but I don't fancy scrolling through all the logs
11:44:38 <MoiraA> people can always /query
11:44:50 <sbp> don't worry, MoiraA, realist is always obviating the fun of asking
11:44:53 <sbp> it's what he does
11:45:06 <MoiraA> I don't need an excuse to talk realist :)
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11:45:21 <sbp> yeah realist. pfft
11:45:35 <MoiraA> <-- one of the more garrulous members of the channel
11:45:41 <MoiraA> and I've no doubt spelt that wrong
11:45:47 <sbp> nope, that's right I think
11:46:13 <MoiraA> cool - I can usually spell things, that was rammed into us at school
11:46:27 <sbp> spelling was rammed into me at school too
11:46:31 <sbp> but I can't spell, so...
11:46:38 <MoiraA> learn 10 words every Friday night, and the boys got the strap if they didn't get 100% on the Monday
11:46:47 <sbp> we should just write in Early Modern English
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11:46:49 <realist> scroll logs? as opposed to greping them?
11:46:58 <realist> excuses, excuses
11:47:01 <sbp> you fun-of-asking obviator
11:47:09 <MoiraA> I'm using windows realist
11:47:11 <sbp> the boys got the strap?!
11:47:16 <MoiraA> I'd search them for my name
11:47:19 <sbp> man, we are going back a bit
11:47:24 <MoiraA> but even then that would take time
11:47:26 <realist> MoiraA: I pity the fool ;-)
11:47:30 <MoiraA> we certainly are!
11:47:42 <sbp> realist: we're keeping Cygwin a secret from her
11:47:48 <MoiraA> I can see why tbh - with vista anyway
11:48:15 <MoiraA> my system volume information hidden folder (which stores the many restore points I have) = 0 bytes
11:48:25 <realist> sbp: there's also Unix Services for Windows(tm)
11:48:35 <sbp> .g Unix Services for Windows
11:48:38 <phenny> sbp: http://technet.microsoft.com/interopmigration/bb380242.aspx
11:48:51 <MoiraA> anyway realist you could have versioned me and seen I'm using mirc
11:48:56 <realist> I like these bots :-)
11:49:10 <realist> MoiraA: uninvited ctcp == rude
11:49:11 <MoiraA> yeah, they do what they're meant to
11:49:26 <MoiraA> I know, but it doesn't stop some people!
11:49:31 <realist> sbp: .g == feeling lucky?
11:49:36 <MoiraA> I set +T where I can
11:49:43 <MoiraA> not every server supports it
11:49:44 <sbp> alright, I'm only reading this because I don't wanna implement streaming XPath evaluation
11:49:51 <sbp> but! I can just ignore the streaming bit for a prototype
11:49:54 <sbp> realist: yeah
11:49:57 <sbp> see also: .gc
11:49:58 <realist> MoiraA: I'm not aware of that mode :-)
11:49:59 <sbp> .gc test
11:50:01 <sbp> googlecount
11:50:02 <phenny> test: 630,000,000
11:50:11 <MoiraA> it means blocks ctcp
11:50:31 <sbp> an uninvited CTCP is rude?
11:50:34 <sbp> in what country?
11:50:36 <realist> MoiraA: I figured that, sounds not RFC compatible
11:50:40 <MoiraA> so if you "pretend" to ignore someone and don't they can't find you out for instance
11:50:58 <MoiraA> I never do that, but I've seen others who do
11:51:00 <sbp> what about uninvited privmsg?
11:51:07 <sbp> it bugs me when people ask if they can privmsg me
11:51:10 <sbp> JUST DO IT OMG
11:51:10 <realist> sbp: even worse ;-)
11:51:25 <sbp> if people ask in future I should say "no, because you're ridiculous"
11:51:29 <MoiraA> I figure if again, you cba to set mode +R
11:51:34 <sbp> if I didn't want privmsgs from people I wouldn't be on IRC
11:51:44 <sbp> I would be writing snail mail letters
11:51:55 <sbp> and telling my postman to burn messages from people I don't know
11:51:56 <MoiraA> then you get messages from any unregistered member and I agree sbp
11:52:07 <MoiraA> you can ignore privmsg
11:52:19 <sbp> it's not like you have to pay for incoming bytes (anymore)
11:52:20 <MoiraA> close your irc client even
11:52:24 <MoiraA> become a hermit
11:52:27 <sbp> exactly. so many things
11:52:41 <sbp> Freenode even has the unregistered member block as you note
11:52:47 <sbp> and I even have that turned of
11:52:48 <realist> I must update my ICR-fu
11:52:49 <sbp> ...f
11:52:58 <MoiraA> at least prvmsg means someone *wants* you
11:53:00 <realist> Freenode has many interesting 'new' modes
11:53:22 <MoiraA> if you think this server is bad try the new qnet bot Q
11:53:24 <sbp> MoiraA: hehe. dpawson has this privmsg auto reply thing which always freaks me out
11:53:39 <sbp> it says something like "hello. if you're just saying "hey, u there" don't expect an answer. tell me what you want"
11:53:42 <MoiraA> I've got a custom ctcp reply
11:53:45 <realist> I used to greylist privmsg, before modes like +R
11:53:51 <sbp> I should set one up that says "DO YOU WANT ME, BABY?! OH YEAH"
11:54:00 <MoiraA> oh, mine isn't that cool
11:54:08 <sbp> only then DanC or timbl or someone would privmsg me and I'd be all "eep"
11:54:15 <MoiraA> let me see where I've got it in scripts
11:54:48 <realist> sbp: I want to auto-reply using an AIML bot, when I'm away :-)
11:54:55 <MoiraA> oh yes, as I thought
11:54:56 <MoiraA> lame
11:55:01 <sbp> aha, hence the interest in pip
11:55:07 <MoiraA> "ctcp 1:ping:/notice $nick ping? pang! You missed!!"
11:55:14 <realist> sbp: bingo!
11:55:20 <sbp> lolpipz: WHAT WOULD U SAY IF I WER PRIVMSGING REALIST RIGHT NOW
11:55:23 <lolpipz> sbp: AT THIZ MOMENT ITZ NOT PROFITABLE T SPEKK IN HYPUDDETICAL TERMZ.
11:55:41 <sbp> he's right you know
11:55:55 <realist> pip is what brought me to this channel
11:56:04 <sbp> pip is dead now
11:56:16 <sbp> lolpipz killed him with l33t and ate its carcass
11:56:17 <lolpipz> sbp: AR TEH THAT UR FINAL ANSWR?
11:56:20 <sbp> YES
11:56:52 <realist> I think I'll stick around for a while
11:57:02 <sbp> sucker
11:57:23 <realist> Only time will tell.
11:57:23 <sbp> .seen perigrim
11:57:25 <sbp> argh
11:57:26 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen perigrim around.
11:57:29 <sbp> .seen perigrin
11:57:32 <phenny> sbp: I last saw perigrin at 2007-11-19 06:09:00 UTC on #swhack
11:57:34 <sbp> seen perigrin
11:57:35 <Monty> perigrin (n=perigrin) was last seen by #swhack coming from c-24-118-172-252.hsd1.mn.comcast.net on Mon Nov 19 12:41:38 GMT 2007 when joining the channel.
11:57:53 <sbp> .t CST
11:57:56 <phenny> Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:38:44 CST
11:58:03 <sbp> is beink quite early for him
11:58:20 <sbp> he's usually up really freaking late too
11:58:28 <MoiraA> I'm just remembering what brought me to this channel
11:58:32 <sbp> so I wouldn't expect him round for many hours
11:58:43 <sbp> MoiraA: <3?
11:59:01 <realist> .t AEST
11:59:02 <MoiraA> err, what?
11:59:03 <phenny> Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:39:51 AEST
11:59:16 <sbp> MoiraA: <3 is an ascii heart, normally used as a synonym for "love"
11:59:31 <sbp> .unicode white heart
11:59:32 <realist> That's not right
11:59:33 <MoiraA> ahh I'll remember that :)
11:59:35 <phenny> U+2661 WHITE HEART SUIT (♡)
11:59:40 <sbp> realist: what should it be?
11:59:57 <sbp> "♡" :asciiism "<3" .
12:00:00 <realist> 23:41
12:00:06 <sbp> .wik AEST
12:00:09 <phenny> "Standard time was introduced into Australia in the 1890's when all the then colonies adopted standard times." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEST
12:00:11 <MoiraA> actually it was that idiot on our yahoo group - I make a channel on freenode for us and she somehow came in here
12:00:20 <MoiraA> *made
12:00:31 <sbp> "Eastern Standard Time (AEST) - UTC+10 hours"
12:00:35 <sbp> .t +10
12:00:38 <phenny> Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:41:27 +10
12:00:39 <tobbez> .weather essl
12:00:42 <sbp> weird
12:00:43 <sbp> fixing
12:00:46 <phenny> Overcast ☁, 2℃, 1021mb, Mist, Light air 3kt (↑) - ESSL, 13:20, 1220Z
12:01:08 <realist> AEST currently DST
12:01:17 <MoiraA> you banned her and all of aol too - so I had to google a cgi login to try and get back in here and explain I wasn't anything like her
12:01:20 <realist> UTC+1100
12:01:21 <sbp> AEDT then
12:01:36 * realist nods
12:01:42 <sbp> MoiraA: oh yeah, I remember that. that was quite funny
12:01:47 <realist> phenny an eggdrop?
12:01:53 <sbp> no, it's a phenny
12:01:55 <sbp> .g phenny
12:01:58 <phenny> sbp: http://inamidst.com/phenny/
12:02:07 <MoiraA> this is partly why I use tor
12:02:38 <MoiraA> realist: I had an eggdrop for quite some time, can't remember its name now
12:02:39 <sbp> phenny: reload timing
12:02:42 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.timing' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/timing.py'> (version: 2007-11-20 12:43:23)
12:02:43 <sbp> .t AEST
12:02:46 <phenny> Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:43:34 AEST
12:02:47 <sbp> .t AEDT
12:02:50 <phenny> Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:43:38 AEDT
12:02:52 <sbp> how's that?
12:03:06 <MoiraA> began with an A - brought it in here and it achieved something I've never done, it got voiced :)
12:03:15 <sbp> an A?
12:03:23 <sbp> oh, the letter
12:03:30 <realist> phenny: very good, although seems a few seconds off
12:03:37 <sbp> .t
12:03:38 <sbp> .tock
12:03:38 <realist> s/phenny/spb/
12:03:44 <phenny> Tue Nov 20 12:44:32 GMT 2007
12:03:45 <MoiraA> yeah, Asis or Ajax or something
12:03:46 <phenny> "Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:44:34 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
12:03:47 <sbp> please, call me sbp
12:03:56 <sbp> it's to within two seconds at least
12:04:19 <sbp> and I define two < few
12:04:30 <realist> True
12:04:35 <sbp> ∴ I define you as WRONGI
12:04:39 <realist> It was 2-3s
12:05:05 <realist> I define 3+ a few
12:05:05 <sbp> I blame NTP not playing well with modern variable CPU speeds
12:05:19 <sbp> yeah, I define it as 3 -> some quasi limit
12:05:27 <sbp> because clearly a billion is more than a few
12:05:35 <realist> Sounds reasonable explaination
12:05:45 <sbp> possibly there is some few/several overlap
12:05:49 <sbp> .ety several
12:05:58 <phenny> "1422, 'existing apart,' from Anglo-Fr. several, from M.Fr. seperalis 'separate,' from L. separe (ablative of *separ 'distinct'), back formation from separare 'to separate' (see separate)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=several
12:05:59 <realist> Perhaps they should have a not variable RTC?
12:06:07 <sbp> interesting. nothing to do with "seven"
12:06:11 <MoiraA> let me try this
12:06:15 <MoiraA> .unicode white heart
12:06:18 <phenny> U+2661 WHITE HEART SUIT (♡)
12:06:44 <MoiraA> but how do you actually type that?
12:06:52 <MoiraA> e
12:07:00 <sbp> realist: well if NTP could somehow be fixed to cope with variable speeds then that'd probably be the better option, but I wonder if there's anywhere near an optimal patch for that
12:07:04 <MoiraA> grrr
12:07:11 <sbp> type it? ♡
12:07:17 <sbp> on Windows it'd be something like...
12:07:21 <sbp> .eval 0x2661
12:07:21 <MoiraA> yeah that
12:07:23 <phenny> 9825
12:07:26 <sbp> Alt+9825
12:07:34 <sbp> or Alt Gr, or whatever. iuno
12:07:57 <realist> who wrote phenny?
12:07:57 <MoiraA> no, isn't going to work on mirc
12:08:03 <sbp> realist: I did
12:08:21 <sbp> ♡ <- Alt+2661 for me in Unicode Input Mode on OS X
12:08:53 <sbp> hex wins binary, for unicode entry
12:08:55 <MoiraA> e
12:09:01 <MoiraA> hah
12:09:08 <MoiraA> you using OSX sbp?
12:09:11 <sbp> yup
12:09:21 <MoiraA> like it?
12:09:24 <sbp> yup
12:09:31 <MoiraA> my dad's just ordered the new imac
12:09:35 <sbp> cool
12:09:51 <MoiraA> I spent saturday researching bits about it for him
12:09:55 <sbp> hehe
12:10:05 <MoiraA> and how to erase his data on his current drive
12:10:15 <sbp> chuck it in a fire. easiest way
12:11:14 <MoiraA> he's giving the system to someone
12:11:33 <MoiraA> I know vista overwrites completely with 0's
12:11:38 <sbp> pre-loved
12:11:49 <MoiraA> I was thinking I could part install vista, then after the format, quit
12:12:08 <MoiraA> or there's some other boot software that would do it
12:12:18 <sbp> pre-loved doesn't make any sense as a synonym for second hand, when you think about it
12:12:28 <sbp> because it implies that the previous owner or owners never loved it
12:12:35 <sbp> which is often false
12:12:37 <MoiraA> failing that I'd have to put it in here a slave
12:12:44 <MoiraA> is that not usually the case?
12:13:02 <sbp> not usually perhaps, otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away
12:13:15 <sbp> you don't give away things you love *that* much
12:13:21 <sbp> so that skims the top of the loved curve off
12:13:24 <MoiraA> but dad's pc is around 2 years old
12:13:35 <sbp> yeah, it doesn't apply for things that go obsolete
12:13:43 <MoiraA> pentium 4, with hyperthreading so not totally useless, and 160GB hard drive
12:13:48 <sbp> food, for example
12:14:00 <sbp> except for biscuits kept in airtight boxes and some kinds of honey
12:14:13 <MoiraA> food you can love but have to give up because it goes off
12:14:18 <sbp> except for biscuits kept in airtight boxes and some kinds of honey!
12:14:28 <MoiraA> that's pre-loved
12:14:34 <MoiraA> true
12:14:34 <sbp> and it doesn't go off
12:15:02 <sbp> I wonder what dingo meat tastes like?
12:15:08 <sbp> bet that goes off pretty quickly
12:15:23 <MoiraA> or something can be pre-loved and then loved no more, like a husband
12:15:36 <MoiraA> well, dingos are dogs, aren't they?
12:15:46 <sbp> bleedin' husbands
12:15:57 <sbp> I don't know actually. related at least, I'd've thought
12:16:00 <sbp> .wik Dingo
12:16:03 <phenny> "The dingo (plural dingoes or dingos) or warrigal, Canis lupus dingo, is a type of wild dog, probably descended from the Indian Wolf (Canis Indica). [2]| It is commonly described as an Australian wild dog, but is not restricted to Australia, nor did it originate there." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo
12:16:10 <MoiraA> explorers who ate their dogs - Amundsen for instance - said they enjoyed "dog cutlets"
12:16:17 <sbp> Wikipedia says: YUP
12:16:24 <sbp> did you see that thing on Mawson the other night?
12:16:32 <MoiraA> yes
12:16:32 <sbp> one of his dogs tasted pretty bad apparently
12:16:38 <sbp> good wunnit?
12:16:39 <realist> I've had dingos as pets :-)
12:16:42 <MoiraA> true
12:16:49 <sbp> Mawson's always been my favourite Antarctic explorer
12:16:50 <MoiraA> excellent
12:16:57 <sbp> realist: cool. what did you name them?
12:17:03 <MoiraA> but why on earth those two idiots wanted to follow in his footsteps
12:17:16 <sbp> well to prove he didn't have to resort to cannibalism for one
12:17:20 <realist> sbp: dingo
12:17:33 <sbp> dingo. you named all your pet dingos... dingo
12:17:35 <MoiraA> I read a good book written by Wally Herbert's wife in the 60's
12:17:44 <realist> sbp: yup.
12:17:45 <sbp> not exceptionally high in the creativity stakes there
12:17:58 <MoiraA> yes but sbp that was the excuse, the justification, not the reason
12:18:03 <sbp> how did they tell one another apart? didn't they go through identity crises?
12:18:09 <sbp> do dingos have identity crises?
12:18:10 <realist> I'm not particularly sentimental.
12:18:20 <sbp> but are the dingos?
12:18:26 <realist> I didn't have them both at the same period of time
12:18:39 <realist> Just looked after them for a while
12:18:43 <sbp> MoiraA: I dunno, I thought it sounded pre-meditated as a reason
12:18:55 <MoiraA> yes
12:18:58 <sbp> he was talking about it during the walk, so he was probably thinking about it before
12:19:08 <sbp> realist: ah, I see
12:19:22 <MoiraA> I mean, it isn't *that* important whether he resorted to cannabilism
12:19:32 <sbp> if I had two dingos I would call them Cog and Sprocket
12:19:51 <sbp> MoiraA: people get pretty uppity about cannibalism
12:19:53 <MoiraA> everyone knows that plane load of equadorian rugby players did, in the 70s when their plane came down in the Andes
12:20:02 <sbp> yeah...
12:20:15 <MoiraA> if it means survival though ...
12:20:21 <MoiraA> I wonder if I could do it
12:20:27 <sbp> we should do a survey!
12:20:36 * MoiraA eyes sbp up
12:20:39 <sbp> ask lots of random people if they think cannibalism is worse than rape or not
12:20:48 * MoiraA gets out knife and fork
12:20:58 <sbp> I'll bet a statistically significant amount of people say yes
12:21:03 <sbp> hey now, I'm ropey
12:21:10 <MoiraA> it's only bad when it's not necessary
12:21:35 <sbp> well we wouldn't qualify it in the questionnaire
12:22:02 <realist> Depends if you commit murder to necessitate the cannibalism, really.
12:22:09 <sbp> otherwise the results might have meaning, so it wouldn't be a very traditional survey
12:22:12 <MoiraA> that too
12:22:35 <MoiraA> I just read someone else's account of the Andes tragedy and I couldn't blame a single one of them
12:22:37 <sbp> well then the question would be whether murder is worse than rape
12:22:55 <sbp> I think probably every legal system in the world gives a harsher punishment for murder than rape
12:23:10 <realist> They're fairly equivalent.
12:23:35 <realist> Except with the possibility of capital punishment for murder.
12:23:47 <realist> Which we haven't had here for many years.
12:23:58 <realist> Where are you two located?
12:24:03 <sbp> where are you?
12:24:12 <sbp> Ecuador?
12:24:21 <sbp> places where they have dingos and Australian time zones... hmm
12:24:29 <procto> sbp: consensual cannibalism?
12:24:31 <sbp> somewhere in South America, 'sgottabe
12:24:37 <sbp> realist: we're both in the UK
12:24:38 <procto> rape is always nonconsesual
12:24:41 <sbp> procto: where are you
12:24:50 <procto> cannibalism can de consensual
12:24:57 <MoiraA> UK realist
12:24:59 <procto> sbp: uh, boston?
12:25:09 <sbp> murder can be consensual too, in Germany
12:25:20 <realist> Statutory rape can be consensual.
12:25:22 <sbp> realist: procto is in Boston. be careful
12:25:27 <MoiraA> in fact there are still two laws on the statute that can theoretically be punished by death
12:25:45 <realist> Depending on your definition of consent.
12:25:53 <procto> hahaha
12:25:58 <MoiraA> treason is one
12:26:10 <MoiraA> forgotten the other
12:26:14 <sbp> high treason, not treason
12:26:18 <procto> realist: statutory rape is only called rape so juries will be more horrified
12:26:18 <realist> Seriously, there is a 'legal age' of consent.
12:26:28 <MoiraA> it would never happen but in theory they still have the option of capital punishment
12:26:37 <MoiraA> well, high treason then :)
12:26:43 <realist> Not that any one individual matures at a different rate.
12:26:49 <realist> </sarcasm>
12:27:00 <MoiraA> but you have to draw the line somewhere realist
12:27:09 <procto> it's just one of a set of "no fun for you until you're paying taxes" laws
12:27:21 <MoiraA> look at some men in their thirties who've never grown up
12:27:23 <sbp> "It could be regarded an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British king or queen's image upside-down" - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7081038.stm
12:27:28 <procto> you know, drinking, driving, etc laws
12:27:30 <MoiraA> gazza for instance
12:27:45 <MoiraA> good grief sbp!
12:27:49 <realist> sbp: for which the maximum penalty is death?
12:27:59 <procto> only high treason
12:28:03 <sbp> realist: no, that's the maxi... right
12:28:08 <sbp> high treason meaning regicide
12:28:15 <procto> this is just regular kind
12:28:24 <procto> your good ol everyday treason
12:28:25 <sbp> pussy treason
12:28:50 <procto> the kind you commit when you say hi to your neighbor who actually works for the kgb or something
12:28:57 <sbp> hehe
12:29:06 <sbp> (the KGB is gone... let it go...)
12:29:12 <procto> I mean, fsb
12:29:20 <MoiraA> haha that page is great
12:29:25 <MoiraA> The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the King, and the tail of the Queen (3.5%)
12:29:28 <procto> sbp: why should I let it go if THEY haven't?
12:29:41 <sbp> MoiraA: ahaha, yeah, I loved that one
12:29:44 <sbp> procto: hehe
12:29:50 <sbp> I hope it's from William and Mary's reign
12:29:55 <procto> only one grandparent of mine was stck in a gulag
12:30:06 <MoiraA> like who would want a dead whale??
12:30:11 <procto> but still
12:30:37 <realist> Whale meat is a delicacy right?
12:30:48 <procto> i want whale ice cream
12:30:56 <procto> oh those japanese!
12:30:57 <MoiraA> right, I'm going to answer a few emails and then wash my hair - takes some doing in plaster
12:31:05 <MoiraA> dead whales are usually stinking procto
12:31:07 <procto> also: horse ice cream
12:31:10 <sbp> <Monarchs> WERE ON UR BEACHES, REQUISITIONING UR HUGE DEAD SEA CREAUTRS
12:31:25 <MoiraA> biab
12:31:26 <procto> I wonder if whales taste like really fishy beef
12:31:33 <sbp> hehe
12:31:40 <procto> Manatees are supposed to taste really good
12:32:01 <procto> so good they killed the big kind before anyone could establish farms
12:32:14 <sbp> IPU droppings are the bomb
12:32:22 <sbp> (highly explosive, but tasty)
12:32:24 <procto> I wonder if they're more efficient to farm than cows
12:32:52 <sbp> I'd guess that almost anything large and seabound is harder to farm than cows
12:32:55 <sbp> not sure about efficient though
12:33:06 <procto> why harder?
12:33:09 <sbp> hardness vs. efficiency... hmm
12:33:16 <sbp> because harvesting them means you get wet
12:33:21 <procto> it's like farming fish
12:33:30 <procto> you ju-t harpoon and winch
12:33:31 <sbp> giant nets are harder to deploy than fences
12:33:37 <sbp> with a cow you just shoot it
12:34:07 <procto> you can build a big crane and make into a game like those Claw machines
12:34:09 <sbp> fish farming seems efficient only because fish are so small
12:34:13 <sbp> ehheh
12:34:23 <sbp> all the fun of the farm
12:34:24 <procto> "Win a manatee!"
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12:34:53 <procto> all the frustration of being 12 and wasting lots of money to get worthless prizes?
12:35:00 <sbp> yes...
12:35:18 <sbp> in front of your girlfriend who ditches you just because you suck at the Claw box
12:35:26 <procto> hehe
12:35:29 <sbp> (fuck you, Gemma)
12:36:48 <sbp> "and the prohibition of driving cattle through the streets of London (Metropolitan Streets Act 1867)" - I wonder if manatees count?
12:37:10 <procto> boston laws are a treasure trove
12:37:16 <sbp> oh? what kind of stuff?
12:37:27 <procto> being a bonston resident, you are allowed to graze a cow on the common
12:37:30 <sbp> "You must tip tea into the harbor every flag day."
12:37:32 <procto> boston*
12:37:33 <procto> but
12:37:40 <sbp> no common?
12:37:45 <procto> you're not allowed to have a cow, any longer
12:37:49 <sbp> hehe
12:38:03 <sbp> you want like one of those invisible dog leashes
12:38:08 <sbp> only a cow leash of course
12:38:54 <procto> a combell hanging in the air
12:38:59 <procto> cowbell*
12:39:04 <sbp> .g levitating cowbell
12:39:07 <phenny> sbp: http://www.whitecowbell.com/bandnew.htm
12:39:30 <sbp> "INSTRUMENT: Lead Vocal, Systematic Defiling of Background Singers"
12:39:53 <procto> today I'll wear.....
12:39:58 <sbp> "NAME: THE COUSIN WHO HATH NO NAME / RAP SHEET: Drivin' without a Name, Involuntary Sleeping"
12:40:01 <procto> my linguistics department shirt!
12:40:05 <sbp> ooh
12:40:12 <procto> it says all your trace are belong to us on the front
12:40:22 <sbp> Geekfactor 9
12:41:06 <procto> on the back is a brandeis logo modified to have the motto (truth. even unto its innermost parts) replaced with linguistics. for creat justice
12:41:15 <procto> logo/seal
12:41:34 <procto> great*
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12:43:19 <procto> alright, time to go eat breakfast
12:44:45 <sbp> enjoy
12:45:41 <sbp> ooh, I just worked out how to make a Juno merge be an RDF merge
12:45:52 <sbp> make an object of namespace bindings
12:45:57 <sbp> then attach it to each rule
12:46:09 <sbp> not entirely optimal, but not too bad either
12:46:23 <sbp> oh! especially since I can declare a builtin set of bindings!
12:46:27 <realist> No idea what you're talking about sbp
12:46:42 <sbp> realist: Juno is a transformation language that I'm working on
12:46:59 <sbp> it's like XSLT in that it takes XML input documents and uses XPath expressions to select bits of them
12:47:02 <MoiraA> Just reading the sophos news
12:47:08 <sbp> but the output is RDF; and Juno itself is an RDF language
12:47:22 <MoiraA> I can't understand how someone can be prosecuted for stealing virtual furniture!
12:47:31 <realist> I take it you're a software developer then?
12:47:48 <realist> MoiraA: that was an amusing read.
12:47:55 <MoiraA> A seventeen-year-old
12:47:56 <MoiraA> Dutch teenager has been arrested for stealing almost $6000 worth of
12:47:57 <MoiraA> virtual furniture from users of the online game.
12:48:12 <MoiraA> has the world gone crazy?
12:48:36 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #51125 with "Now With Default Bindings!" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/51125#2
12:48:42 <sbp> something like that
12:48:57 <sbp> a software developer... well I develop software, so I guess so
12:49:08 <sbp> I wouldn't characterise that as my primary occupation though
12:49:39 <sbp> virtual stealing: awesome
12:50:51 <sbp> hmm, maybe I should make this some class attachment thing
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12:51:10 <sbp> so ?x a Rule would imply ?x bindings default
12:51:22 <sbp> but then, what to call Rules where you want custom bindings...
12:52:12 <_bjoern> phenny!
12:52:14 <phenny> _bjoern!
12:52:29 <sbp> _bjoern!
12:52:42 <phenny> sbp!
12:52:49 <sbp> Monty!
12:52:52 <Monty> I reckon rash + Alfred Hitchcock = lovesick images :P
12:53:06 <_bjoern> You are this bored, eh? :-)
12:53:11 <sbp> procrastinating
12:56:39 <cre8radix> sbp!
12:56:43 <sbp> hmm
12:56:44 <sbp> [ opt "head//*[rel='env']"; xmlns XHTML;
12:56:44 <sbp> yields [ subj input; t:env [ uri "@href" ] ]
12:56:44 <sbp> ] .
12:56:47 <sbp> cre8radix!
12:57:47 <sbp> .thesaurus default
12:57:50 <phenny> default synonyms: absence, blemish, blunder, dearth, defect, deficiency, delinquency, dereliction, disregard, error, fault, imperfection, inadequacy, insufficiency, lack, lapse, miss, neglect, nonpayment, offense,
12:57:53 * cre8radix has been working
12:57:54 <phenny> default synonyms: omission, overlooking, oversight, privation, shortcoming, slight, transgression, vice, want, weakness, wrongdoing
12:58:11 <cre8radix> will get the show done later tonight
12:58:18 <cre8radix> [:)
12:58:27 <cre8radix> thelsdj: howzit?
12:58:51 <realist> "howzit", haven't heard that since my trip to .za
12:59:24 <sbp> 'k
12:59:36 <sbp> thelsdj is in the process of moving
12:59:40 <sbp> haven't seen him around for a bit
13:00:32 <sbp> [ opt "head//*[rel='env']"; xmlns usual;
13:00:32 <sbp> yields [ subj input; t:env [ uri "@href" ] ]
13:00:32 <sbp> ] .
13:00:34 <sbp> how about that?
13:00:40 <sbp> all of you ZERO people who care
13:02:03 <sbp> _bjoern: question. xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml", XPath expression head/@profile. does that return on <head profile="..."> in XHTML? presumably yes. does it return on <h:head h:profile="...">? presumably yes?
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13:04:25 * cre8radix|off cares
13:04:37 <cre8radix|off> for SBP - scriptz
13:04:38 <sbp> xmlns usual okay for you?
13:04:53 <sbp> we need d8uv
13:04:54 * cre8radix|off runs off to catch a train
13:04:58 <sbp> he's almost MIA now
13:04:58 <cre8radix|off> yaaaaaa
13:05:00 <cre8radix|off> d8uv
13:05:06 <cre8radix|off> AWOL
13:05:17 <sbp> phenny: tell d8uv wanna write a new script?
13:05:20 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when d8uv is around.
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13:08:29 <_bjoern> sbp: answer. Well, reading question now...
13:08:59 <_bjoern> name tests with no prefix refer to the null namespace always
13:09:07 <sbp> basically, does non-namespaced attributes match both non-namespaced and... aha
13:09:07 <_bjoern> so in xhtml, /html does nothing
13:09:16 <sbp> interesting
13:09:21 <sbp> thanks!
13:09:49 * sbp modifies the example accordingly
13:11:22 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #51125 with "With Corrected XPath Expressions, and now using usual instead of default" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/51125#3
13:11:45 <sbp> so now a Juno merge is an RDF merge, as I'd intended
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13:12:49 <realist> Did you know that England has played in two tests one one day?
13:14:23 <sbp> I did not, no
13:14:36 <sbp> JibberJim probably did
13:14:45 <sbp> haven't been following the cricket
13:14:58 <sbp> mainly following rugby, where we seem to be assured of beating you
13:16:32 * realist laughs
13:16:39 <sbp> :-)
13:16:55 <realist> Wilkinson!
13:17:14 <sbp> where Wilkinson seems to be assured of beating you. that's what I said. ahem
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13:31:13 <sr> ahah. I receiveid a letter from the Domain Registry of America - they want me to give them 26€ to renew atonie.org for one year
13:31:36 <sr> go fuck yourself, DROA
13:31:48 <sbp> ah, domain renew spam
13:31:52 <sr> is it legal?
13:31:56 <sbp> no, it's spam
13:32:25 <realist> Are they your registrar?
13:32:31 <sr> it's not an email sbp. it's a sheet of paper I can touch with me fingers
13:32:34 <sbp> they're not, no. they're spammers
13:32:39 <sr> realist, definitely not
13:32:44 <sbp> it's still spam. it's basically phishing, in fact
13:32:54 <realist> Sounds like unsolicited mail.
13:32:59 <sbp> they try to con people into thinking that this is their regular re-registration request
13:33:03 <sbp> it's a well known scam
13:33:49 <realist> If you're clever enough to register a domain... you'd be clever to avoid such scams, one would hope.
13:34:19 <sbp> doubtful
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13:34:35 <sbp> domain name registrars make the process pretty easy these days
13:34:40 <sbp> godaddy and the like
13:34:50 <sbp> cf. nodaddy on that account
13:34:59 <realist> Lets not go there.
13:35:28 <sbp> indeed
13:35:40 <realist> I've registered a few domains with them in the past, very painful experience.
13:35:53 <sbp> oh dear
13:35:55 <sr> plus the letter is realy friendly "ooh you're about to loose your web identity - but don't panic, we'll save you!"
13:35:58 <realist> Needless to say, I transferred them away later.
13:36:18 <sbp> hence the cf. nodaddy though
13:36:24 <sbp> .g nodaddy
13:36:27 <phenny> sbp: http://nodaddy.com/
13:36:35 <sbp> .title http://nodaddy.com/
13:36:38 <phenny> sbp: NoDaddy.Com - Exposing the Many Reasons Not to Trust GoDaddy with Your Domain Names
13:38:42 <MoiraA> back
13:38:46 <MoiraA> hate washing my hair
13:39:14 <MoiraA> these bots are impressive - what are they searching when you query them?
13:40:18 <MoiraA> and sr, I've had spam like that too
13:40:43 <sbp> MoiraA: Google
13:40:58 <sbp> for the g* commands, anyway
13:41:07 <MoiraA> amazing just how much info is out there
13:41:11 <sbp> whereas .wik queries Wikipedia, .weather queries NOAA, and so on
13:41:21 <MoiraA> I see
13:41:25 <KragenSitaker> MoiraA: the .title thing just fetches the web page and reports its title
13:41:30 <MoiraA> impressive
13:41:34 <KragenSitaker> so the only thing it's searching is DNS
13:41:40 <realist> I heard about the Fydoor incident, didn't know there was a site dedicated to it though
13:41:42 <KragenSitaker> MoiraA: do you have very long hair?
13:41:50 <sbp> and the webpage for //h:title/text()
13:41:51 <MoiraA> even more impressive to know you *made* them, rather than downloading an eggdrop
13:42:09 <KragenSitaker> phenny is a pretty nice bot, yes
13:42:11 <MoiraA> it is long, but it's more with being in plaster, I can't get just stand in a shower
13:42:39 <sbp> aha. can't you do it over a sink?
13:42:47 <realist> sbp: why did you decide to write the bot from scatch? as oppossed to writing eggdrop tcl?
13:43:08 <sbp> realist: because then I could use my favourite scripting language
13:43:18 <sbp> also it was actually intended to replace a previous Python bot, which it did
13:43:22 <MoiraA> well, my husband helps - I lean over the bath and he wets my hair with the shower, but its not a pleasant proces
13:43:26 <sbp> so I took some functionality from its predecessor
13:43:42 <realist> is the source published?
13:43:46 <sbp> but that's not really a reason, given the smattering
13:43:53 <sbp> yes, it's linked to from the webpage I showed you earlier
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13:44:04 <realist> thanks
13:44:08 <MoiraA> the trouble is, no decent bots are made for windows
13:44:09 <sbp> specifically browsable at http://inamidst.com/list/phenny/
13:44:14 <sbp> phenny runs on windows
13:44:15 <realist> I suppose it's time for me to get some sleep :-)
13:44:19 <sbp> c'ya realist!
13:44:30 <realist> 'till next time :-)
13:45:08 <MoiraA> cya realist
13:45:17 <sbp> MoiraA: better than being bald at least, I'd guess
13:45:25 <sbp> cold head all the time
13:45:37 <sbp> also as someone pointed out, you don't want all that hair in your head
13:45:41 <sbp> much better to have it on the outside
13:46:03 <MoiraA> probably wouldn't make much difference to me :)
13:46:23 <MoiraA> I'm going to get it highlighted and cut before we go to new zealand
13:46:46 <sbp> cool
13:46:53 <MoiraA> that bot - does it work on your imac?
13:47:06 <sbp> I'm using a MacBook, but yeah; works on both
13:47:18 <MoiraA> Isis - that was the name of mine, but I had to rely on someone else to host it
13:47:24 <sbp> ah! I remember
13:47:33 <sbp> yeah, phenny is hosted on crschmidt's server
13:47:36 <sbp> which runs Debian Linux
13:47:45 <MoiraA> yes, it came in here and you voiced it, and it set +t
13:48:02 <sbp> it can't set +t if it's just voiced, I think
13:48:10 <sbp> perhaps we had a different permissions set back then
13:48:18 <MoiraA> I had it on someones' shell, so I had to log into that, then the bot etc if I wanted to control it
13:48:22 <sbp> perhaps that's why we no longer have that permissions set... :-)
13:48:23 <_bjoern> Ah I take it LEIRIs have entered the crude world of Resource Locator Acronyms.
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13:48:35 <sbp> LE-?
13:48:45 <_bjoern> Legacy Extended I think...
13:48:56 <sbp> sigh... what's that mean then?
13:48:57 <MoiraA> maybe you did, I definitely remember it setting +t (perhaps you opped it?)
13:49:42 <sbp> are RDF URIs LEIRIs?
13:50:01 <sbp> mebbe
13:50:12 * _bjoern no wants know
13:50:17 <sbp> hehe
13:50:42 <sbp> I was gonna make a RURIR class for Trio
13:50:50 <sbp> then I thought better of it, even though URIReference is a misnomer
13:51:15 <sbp> RRI would make some sense too. kinda
13:51:31 <_bjoern> Called it WebName!
13:51:36 <sbp> hehe
13:51:41 <sbp> WebName
13:51:45 <sbp> timbl calls them Symbols
13:51:56 <sbp> which is just bonkers
13:52:13 <sbp> (in that it's not particularly self-documenting...)
13:52:33 <sbp> IRIsWithSpaces
13:52:34 <_bjoern> Names for resource identifier technologies should really be URIs.
13:52:44 <sbp> hehe
13:52:56 <sbp> I should make an ontology of them
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14:04:58 <MoiraA> I love parts of phenny :)
14:05:10 <MoiraA> # This may give lots of errors
14:05:13 <MoiraA> haha
14:05:33 <sbp> chuckle, from the Makefile
14:05:41 <sbp> I'm not known for my witty code comments
14:05:46 <sbp> unlike, say, Morbus and Larry Wall
14:06:05 <MoiraA> so that's python?
14:06:18 <sbp> nope, the Makefile is in GNU make format
14:06:27 <sbp> it's not really a programming language. well, I guess it is actually
14:06:30 <MoiraA> what about the rest of it?
14:06:31 <sbp> a weird one though
14:06:35 <sbp> the rest is Python, yeah
14:06:38 <darobin> but the braindead whitespace sensitivity is similar!
14:06:39 <sbp> all the .py files are
14:06:40 <MoiraA> hmm
14:06:43 * darobin hides far, far away
14:06:52 <MoiraA> yeah, I was reading the web.y
14:06:53 <sbp> darobin: hmm, perl6... dwim... whitespace...
14:06:59 <MoiraA> *py
14:07:10 <sbp> NOW WHO'S EVIL, EH DAROBIN?! AHAHAHA
14:07:10 <darobin> whitespace doesn't dwim though
14:07:20 <sbp> in perl6 there is dwimmy whitespace
14:07:42 <darobin> which makes it different from Py ws :-)
14:07:46 <sbp> heh
14:08:06 <MoiraA> christ, the irc.py must have taken some doing
14:08:08 <sbp> MoiraA: I just wrote another web.py yesterday, oddly enough
14:08:18 <sbp> irc.py... not particularly
14:08:23 <darobin> then again, after over a year of dealing with code from people who don't use whitespace (and no, two-space indent doesn't count), I'd kill to use Python
14:08:27 <sbp> biggest module I've written recently is rdfxml.py
14:08:32 <MoiraA> is that the bit that queries google? the web
14:08:39 <sbp> which has a pull-event XML parser which is madcool
14:08:42 <sbp> nope, not web.py
14:09:05 <MoiraA> I was wanting to see what the code was like for that
14:09:24 <MoiraA> ah
14:09:41 <MoiraA> found the wiki
14:09:56 <sbp> ...the wiki?
14:09:59 <sbp> which wiki?
14:10:11 <sbp> I can send you the Google module if you'd like
14:10:36 <sbp> darobin: JibberJim does one space indent, I think. possibly two
14:10:47 <sbp> then again, that's in Javascript
14:10:51 <MoiraA> in the phenny modules
14:10:58 <sbp> where it's necessary because of allTheCrazyLongMethodNames
14:10:59 <MoiraA> there's weather and wiki
14:11:04 <sbp> oh, gotcha. wikipedia.py
14:11:13 <MoiraA> yes
14:11:19 <MoiraA> and weather.py
14:11:23 * _bjoern is a two spacer of late too
14:11:37 <MoiraA> still can't see google though
14:11:39 <sbp> I three space habitually
14:11:47 <sbp> MoiraA: the google module isn't public
14:11:47 <_bjoern> U SUCK !
14:11:51 <sbp> I can send you it if you'd like
14:12:09 <sbp> < [melted telephone guy] > NO U
14:12:14 <MoiraA> oh right
14:12:20 <darobin> sbp: trust me, I know that very, very well :-)
14:12:26 <MoiraA> that would be fantastic - I won't pass it on
14:12:28 <sbp> hehe. hmm
14:12:41 <MoiraA> seriously
14:12:48 <MoiraA> and I'm not good enough to use it
14:13:08 <MoiraA> but it just fascinates me how it's done
14:13:37 <MoiraA> as I'm using Tor, DCC won't work, but you can email moira.atkinson@gmail.com
14:13:44 <sbp> weird, I don't have your email address on file
14:13:49 <sbp> ah, thanks
14:13:59 <MoiraA> I have a few addresses actually
14:14:15 <MoiraA> the seen.py - that javascript too?
14:14:27 <MoiraA> they say python at the top which is confusing
14:14:40 <sbp> great, now Firefox crashed. pile o' junk
14:14:49 <sbp> nope, seen.py is Python
14:14:55 <sbp> all the .py files are Python
14:15:35 <MoiraA> ah, the wiki says python, I just thought you said it was javascript
14:16:18 <darobin> MoiraA: nah, he was saying that to me, in a different conversation
14:16:21 <sbp> rightio, sent
14:16:26 <sbp> yeah
14:16:30 <MoiraA> cheers!
14:16:37 <MoiraA> ah sorry darobin
14:16:44 <MoiraA> I thought it looked strange javascript anyway
14:16:51 <sbp> hehe
14:16:54 <darobin> no worries, just alleviating the confusion
14:17:02 <MoiraA> I have seen and used quite a bit of javascript within web pages
14:17:17 <darobin> I've been reading funny code in libgmail.py
14:17:29 <MoiraA> received, thanks
14:17:35 * MoiraA looks eagerly
14:17:41 <darobin> the way it interprets Javascript structures is by doing some char replacements, and then evaluating it
14:18:12 <darobin> the way it's done is safe though, it's the first time I see python and actually think it's nice
14:18:20 <_bjoern> .title http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=22714
14:18:23 <phenny> _bjoern: Firefox 3.0 Beta 1 Now Available - MozillaZine Talkback
14:18:50 <sbp> it's so dark today that there are streetlamps on outside
14:18:57 <sbp> we've got the lights on inside too
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14:19:51 <darobin> ah, light-sensitive lamps, smart
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14:19:52 <Monty> howdy, alienbrain
14:19:56 <darobin> here they're time-based
14:20:01 <darobin> so we can't see anything
14:20:20 <_bjoern> .wik Codex Aureus
14:20:23 <phenny> "Codex Aureus is Latin for Golden Book." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Aureus
14:20:58 <MoiraA> likewise sbp, yesterday too
14:21:07 <MoiraA> they've had snow in the south even
14:22:15 <MoiraA> that's interesting sbp, I'm thankful the py file opened in editpad!
14:22:24 <_bjoern> .title http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/17/wfat117.xml
14:22:28 <phenny> _bjoern: New Zealand bars British man's 'fat' wife - Telegraph
14:23:38 <MoiraA> hello phenny, just looking at your insides :)
14:23:48 <MoiraA> neat coding
14:24:20 <MoiraA> you take care of errors too
14:24:42 <MoiraA> anyway, I'll not pass it on, thanks
14:24:48 <KragenSitaker> that's easier in Python
14:24:54 <KragenSitaker> what won't you pass on?
14:25:37 <MoiraA> the module that makes phenny query google
14:26:02 <MoiraA> always wondered how people got bots to do that
14:26:12 <KragenSitaker> oh, the google module
14:26:49 <MoiraA> .ety synonym
14:26:51 <phenny> "1432 (but rare before 18c.), from L. synonymum, from Gk. synonymon 'word having the same sense as another,' noun use of neut. of synonymos 'having the same name as, synonymous,' from syn- 'together, same' + onyma, Aeolic dialectal form of onoma 'name' (see name)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=synonym
14:27:03 <KragenSitaker> yeah. sadly they stopped granting new google API keys
14:27:21 <MoiraA> sounds about right for google
14:27:50 <KragenSitaker> i was surprised and saddened
14:27:52 <MoiraA> just a pity there are no downloadable decent bots made for Vista :)
14:28:25 <KragenSitaker> .title http://badvisa.org/
14:28:28 <phenny> Can't connect to http://badvisa.org/
14:28:31 <KragenSitaker> .title http://badvista.org/
14:28:35 <phenny> KragenSitaker: BadVista.org: Stopping Microsoft Windows Vista adoption by promoting free software — BadVista
14:29:17 <MoiraA> it is a bit surprising, when you consider even Microsoft make their APIs freely available
14:29:45 <MoiraA> it makes sense - people then write software for windows so customers buy windows
14:31:08 <MoiraA> christ I'm reading how to make a good API - sounds a bit complicated for me :)
14:35:04 <sbp> MoiraA: again, phenny works on Vista
14:35:18 <MoiraA> does it? wow!
14:35:34 <MoiraA> I couldn't copy it though
14:36:48 <sbp> couldn't copy what?
14:36:50 <MoiraA> wouldn't I also need python?
14:36:57 <sbp> yep. there's a Python for windows
14:37:03 <sbp> more than one in fact
14:37:05 <MoiraA> your work, your code
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14:37:22 <sbp> ah, nope, it's free to download and use
14:37:46 * mini-man wonders if sbp will mind if he names his bot 'benny' :)
14:37:53 <sbp> hehe
14:37:58 <MoiraA> so I'd download python and put the code in there?
14:37:59 <sbp> sure. there's one named phanny
14:38:05 <sbp> anything's better than phanny
14:38:10 <mini-man> haha ok. Just a simple one inspired by phenny
14:38:13 <sbp> MoiraA: yeah. I can walk you through it if you want
14:38:16 <MoiraA> apart from the google module, that's safe
14:38:25 <sbp> as much as I can, at any rate... I don't have Vista
14:38:28 <MoiraA> ok
14:38:32 <MoiraA> I'll make it dead simple
14:38:41 <MoiraA> first I'd need python, yes?
14:38:50 <sbp> yep, so you need to get http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.5.1/python-2.5.1.msi
14:39:01 <sbp> and then run that. presumably just download to wherever and then double click it
14:39:08 <sbp> or it might offer to run it straight off of the web
14:39:16 <sbp> just follow all the prompts to install it
14:40:31 <MoiraA> it's installing
14:41:04 <mini-man> oh shi - benny's taken. :(
14:41:08 <sbp> hehe
14:43:14 <sbp> ahahahaha, awesome
14:43:19 <sbp> I just got Shakespeare Authorship spam
14:43:22 <sbp> brilliant!
14:43:32 <sbp> someone asking me what I think of a particular candidate
14:43:59 <MoiraA> ah dammit will have to bring services up to find print spooler to close
14:44:01 <sbp> ironically of a site I'd seen before
14:44:05 <sbp> hawking some book
14:44:11 <MoiraA> I'v had to disable antivirus and backup
14:44:14 <sbp> I should say I'd be happy to review a copy if I were sent one
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14:46:23 <sbp> there. I replied:
14:46:23 <sbp> [[[
14:46:24 <sbp> I'd be happy to give a brief review of the book if I were sent a copy.
14:46:24 <sbp> Let me know if you'd like to do so. My position on the Authorship
14:46:24 <sbp> spectrum is orthodox Stratfordian.
14:46:25 <sbp> ]]]
14:47:30 <sbp> I'm kinda happy about that in a weird way
14:47:38 <sbp> I guess I like my spam provocative and scary
14:48:01 <MoiraA> phew it needs loads of stuff stopped
14:48:18 <sbp> such is Windows
14:48:26 <MoiraA> yes
14:48:31 <sbp> OS X comes with it preinstalled :-)
14:48:41 <MoiraA> still three servives I can't find
14:51:15 <MoiraA> now I've lost my desktop of course
14:51:23 <MoiraA> I can't find the install now
14:51:33 <MoiraA> since I've got no icons at all
14:51:49 <sbp> how strange. did you quit explorer by mistake?
14:52:02 <sbp> this is Windows just as I remembered it. heh
14:52:20 <MoiraA> it said windows explorer had to quit
14:52:42 <sbp> the install process? really? wow
14:52:47 <sbp> was it trying to reboot you?
14:52:53 <MoiraA> I thought Id closed every instance of AVG and Acronis and PrintSpooler, but it still says there are three more services to close
14:53:28 <MoiraA> I mean I can find the installer in task manager, but I can't get the window up
14:53:43 <sbp> try... er...
14:53:46 <sbp> Ctrl+Tab or something
14:53:53 <sbp> the application switcher
14:54:13 <mini-man> alt+tab
14:54:17 <sbp> thanks
14:54:30 <sbp> it's Command+Tab on OS X, so I get confused about Windows now
14:54:31 <mini-man> you could use Switch To in the task manager
14:54:51 <MoiraA> I'll try that
14:54:52 <mini-man> (by right-clicking on the installer icon and Switch To application...)
14:55:00 <MoiraA> because alt + tab isn't bringing it up
14:56:29 <MoiraA> god, can't see the installer now
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14:56:36 <MoiraA> in processes - it's gone
14:57:16 <sbp> this might be the point where you reboot and forget any of this ever happened... :-)
14:57:30 <MoiraA> I think it will have to be
14:57:34 <sbp> kinda bizarre though since Python is very widely used and tested
14:57:36 <MoiraA> vista is still very buggy
14:57:39 <sbp> aye
14:57:54 <MoiraA> did you say there were several pythons for vista?
14:57:59 <MoiraA> I could try another
14:58:03 <MoiraA> I think the installer has closed
14:58:06 <sbp> yeah, but this one should've been the easiest
14:58:44 <sbp> there's ActivePython
14:58:45 <sbp> http://www.activestate.com/store/productdetail.aspx?prdGuid=b08b04e0-6872-4d9d-a722-7a0c2dea2758
14:58:47 <MoiraA> never mind, I'll reboot and possibly I can try and get another python, then when its installed let you know
14:58:48 <sbp> or cygwin's python
14:58:52 <sbp> 'k
14:59:01 <sbp> when I was on windows I used cygwin's python
14:59:07 <MoiraA> I'll reboot if you can give me those links when I come back
14:59:21 <sbp> sure
14:59:32 <sbp> see ya in a mo'
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15:13:41 <Monty> hey MoiraA
15:14:11 <MoiraA> back at last
15:14:15 <sbp> yo
15:14:42 <MoiraA> reboots take ages because of everything I want to open
15:15:02 <MoiraA> and martin hasn't configured his palringo to stay hidden in the system tray yet, so I have to reset that each reboot
15:15:33 <_bjoern> .title http://science.slashdot.org/science/07/11/20/0356214.shtml
15:15:33 <MoiraA> otherwise it irritatingly flashes messages in yellow
15:15:37 <phenny> _bjoern: Slashdot | Vote To Eliminate Leap Seconds
15:16:26 <sbp> elimination of leap seconds: eek
15:16:30 <sbp> so basically, moving to TAI?
15:16:54 <sbp> oh, no
15:16:57 <sbp> a leap-hour instead
15:17:13 <MoiraA> they shouldn't bring in something that needs altering every 600 years
15:17:27 <MoiraA> how will they know subsequent people will actually do it
15:17:42 <jsled> When we make leap seconds illegal, only criminals will be able to keep track of time.
15:19:08 <clsn> Leap-seconds might be a PITA, but wouldn't a leap-hour be much more so?
15:19:39 <clsn> MAYBE a leap-minute would be okay as a compromise.
15:20:12 <sbp> but it would only have to be done every 600 years
15:20:18 <sbp> it's like 600 year daylight saving
15:20:45 <sbp> caused by the Gregorian calendar being imperfect
15:20:45 <clsn> Yeah, and who cares about what'll happen in 2000 when they start to need four digits?
15:20:59 <clsn> Yeah, yeah, I know about the calendar's errors.
15:21:01 <sbp> 2000 passed seven years ago
15:21:25 <clsn> Yes, dear, I know, dear. The point being, that "well, it won't be a problem for 600 years" is the same thinking as led to Y2K.
15:21:27 <sbp> we've needed four digits for 1007 years now
15:21:45 <sbp> hmm
15:21:53 <sbp> wasn't the Y2K problem more like "we won't need this at all"?
15:22:04 <sbp> a leap-hour doesn't sound any more of a problem than daylight savings, I mean
15:22:14 <sbp> which is to say a huge problem since I think daylight savings is silly
15:22:27 <sbp> but practically, it has been demonstrated that people will follow daylight savings
15:22:36 <sbp> I think you can get people to do almost any silly thing, really
15:22:36 <clsn> They say daylight savings is like cutting off your head and standing on it in order to look taller.
15:22:43 <sbp> heh!
15:22:55 * sbp will have to remember that one
15:23:06 <sbp> they're trying to do that *twice* over in the UK
15:23:15 <clsn> The question, as even the /. blurb notes, really is, do we care whether or not our clock and calendar match up with astronomical events.
15:23:28 <sbp> have British Summer Time in winter and Double British Summer Time in summer
15:23:35 <sbp> (that's global warming for you, I suppose)
15:23:49 <clsn> I've heard of double summer time in britain, as something that was once done ages agone.
15:23:57 <sbp> well we traditionally have for thousands of years, and across continents and cultures, yeah
15:24:03 <sbp> yeah, it was
15:24:12 <clsn> And then the people up in Scotland were fuming that the sun just wouldn't fucking set.
15:24:17 <sbp> hehe
15:24:18 <sbp> yeah
15:24:35 <sbp> they knew the joy of living in like Tromoslash or something
15:25:02 <clsn> Well, that's the thing. Nobody likes the idea of the leap-hour, apparently. I sure don't. The people who want to drop the leap second mostly just want to DROP THE LEAP SECOND and leave it at that.
15:25:13 <sbp> aye
15:25:19 <clsn> But if you don't really need your calendar to match up with stars, why bother with leap years at all?
15:25:27 <_bjoern> You should like the leap hour.
15:25:29 <sbp> compromise means screwing EVERYONE over
15:25:41 <MoiraA> I can remember a year when we didn't have daylight savings
15:25:42 <_bjoern> Surely before it's first used they invent multiple new timing schemes.
15:25:56 <clsn> I mean, after all, the seasonal drift introduced by the 1/4-day each year accumulates so slowly.
15:26:00 <sbp> MoiraA: really? I didn't know about that
15:26:10 <MoiraA> we were all give luminescent badges to wear to go to school
15:26:17 <clsn> It would be many decades before you had to remember "Oh, yeah... 100 years ago June was a summer month"
15:26:19 <MoiraA> as it was so dark
15:26:23 <MoiraA> yes - it was tried as an experiment
15:26:43 <MoiraA> my sister was in middle school, she's 48 now, so it was some time ago :)
15:26:55 <clsn> Or at least go back to the Julian calendar, which has simpler math.
15:27:07 <MoiraA> but I do remember the really dark mornings, it was dark till 9am, properly dark
15:27:09 <sbp> astronomers didn't stop using it! well, kinda
15:27:14 <clsn> But if you're going to try to stay in step with astronomy, you probably should, well, stay in step with astronomy.
15:27:18 <sbp> (i.e. not really, but)
15:27:22 <clsn> Heh. Julian days, nt the same thing.
15:27:57 <clsn> Ref. my blog entry of almost precisely one year ago today: neither did we.
15:28:02 <MoiraA> it's a strange thing, time, when you really think about it
15:28:29 <MoiraA> its just our limited lifespan that necessitates it
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15:29:05 <clsn> Time is nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once.
15:29:07 <sbp> what timing
15:29:12 <clsn> Aye.
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15:33:20 <_bjoern> .title http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/60minutes/main3512453.shtml
15:33:22 <phenny> _bjoern: Evidence Of Injustice, FBI's Bullet Lead Analysis Used Flawed Science To Convict Hundreds Of Defendants - CBS News
15:33:30 <_bjoern> "The FBI first used bullet lead analysis while investigating the assassination of John F. Kennedy, trying to match pieces of bullets discovered at Dealey Plaza with bullets found in Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle." - OH NOES?
15:34:35 <thelsdj> anyone know if theres a way to make irssi jump to the bottom or top of the srollback buffer?
15:34:56 <sbp> hmm. Esc < perhaps?
15:35:04 <sbp> also hello! how'd the move go?
15:35:33 <_bjoern> With good software that'd be CTRL+POS1
15:36:09 <mini-man> sbp: Are you using a send queue for phenny? I've taken quick glances around the source code, but can't be arsed atm to really take a good half hour and understand the structure :)
15:36:11 <thelsdj> hmm nope, various things with < don't work
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15:37:00 <sbp> mini-man: there's no queue, no
15:37:05 <thelsdj> move went as well as can be expected, no major equipment failure
15:37:06 <sbp> you send something, it gets sent
15:37:17 <sbp> great! all boxes present and correct?
15:37:18 <mini-man> ah ok
15:37:38 <sbp> if you do phenny.msglines it'll send multiple lines with flood protection though
15:37:41 <mini-man> And I'm assuming you're using static event handling with the modules, right?
15:37:44 <sbp> which is queueing internally
15:37:45 <mini-man> since I don't see any hooks
15:37:59 <sbp> define static event handling
15:38:05 <mini-man> no event hooking
15:38:13 <mini-man> per module
15:38:13 <sbp> heh. well they're all event hooked
15:38:19 <mini-man> True, what I mean is...
15:38:33 <mini-man> what if a module needs to hook privmsg and pubmsg?
15:38:49 <thelsdj> theres a few little pieces i'm not sure where they are right now, but most likely somewhere in here
15:38:52 <sbp> the same IRC syntax is used for both
15:38:54 <sbp> so that's easy
15:38:58 <mini-man> kk
15:39:14 <sbp> thelsdj: good, good. and how is the new place?
15:39:52 <sbp> bitchrude, I hope
15:40:10 <thelsdj> so far so good, cold in the morning
15:40:10 <_bjoern> .gc shitbitch
15:40:13 <phenny> shitbitch: 4,600
15:40:15 <thelsdj> .gc shitrude
15:40:18 <phenny> shitrude: 107
15:40:19 <sbp> .gc bitchrude
15:40:27 <phenny> bitchrude: 1
15:40:30 <thelsdj> ha
15:40:32 <thelsdj> .g bitchrude
15:40:35 <phenny> thelsdj: http://seekav.com/tag/oma.html
15:41:06 <sbp> Videos - Seek Audio Video
15:41:06 <sbp> alte | leute | und | autosDE | Douwe | Egberts | koffie | commercial | coffee | reclame | straattaal | oma | yo | doekoe | bitchrude | box | rudebox | why ...
15:41:35 <thelsdj> .gc bitchbox
15:41:37 <phenny> bitchbox: 861
15:41:40 <thelsdj> .gc boxbag
15:41:42 <phenny> boxbag: 10,700
15:42:59 <cre8radix> hey thelsdj :D
15:43:26 <cre8radix> phenny: "alte Leute"?
15:43:40 <phenny> cre8radix: Hmm, got "romanian"...
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15:47:31 <MoiraA> hi, sorry - seemed to disconnect from the tor server
15:48:33 <MoiraA> sbp, if you can give me the link to another python, I'll just get it installed for now - you can help me make a bot later
15:48:45 <MoiraA> I've taken up enough of your time
15:48:58 <sbp> wow, the Shakespearean Authorship publisher rep got back to me almost immediately
15:49:07 <sbp> they'd be delighted to send a free copy for review. so they're gonna
15:49:13 <sbp> that's quite something
15:49:17 <MoiraA> cool
15:49:22 <MoiraA> that is quite something
15:49:32 <MoiraA> they must value your review
15:49:35 <sbp> so now I get to read about this particular candidate, for the basically negative price of having to write a critique of the book
15:49:49 <MoiraA> yup
15:50:14 <sbp> I'm very strongly orthodox, but very often the Authorship material has a lot of interesting facts
15:50:20 <MoiraA> the only person to get back to me quickly today was seventwentyfour about my link checking service bill
15:50:50 <sbp> because what tends to happen is that they sift through things very carefully to support their views, so they go through minutiae that orthodox scholars sometimes miss; often the sorts of things that I'm interested from an orthodox point of view
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15:50:55 <presley> Hallo world!
15:51:00 <sbp> link checking?
15:51:05 <sbp> presley!
15:51:11 <mini-man> woot he works
15:51:13 <mini-man> chuck
15:51:17 <presley> [chuck] Bill Gates lives in constant fear that Chuck Norris' PC will crash.
15:51:19 <sbp> doesn't respond to its name though
15:51:24 <mini-man> hmm weird
15:51:28 <sbp> presley: reload test
15:51:35 <sbp> heh
15:51:38 <mini-man> all administration is done via privmsg
15:51:43 <sbp> ah
15:51:46 <mini-man> lemme fix the name glitch
15:52:31 <_bjoern> OMG 13,09 IRC FORMATTING99,99 NOES
15:52:31 <MoiraA> yeah, my website for broken links
15:52:33 <mini-man> oh I see, I replaced it with the hello module
15:52:40 <MoiraA> I pay someone to check it weekly
15:52:42 <mini-man> Hallo, presley!
15:52:42 <presley> Howdy doody, mini-man. How are you today?
15:53:01 <_bjoern> I feel a distinct urge to shoot presley.
15:53:01 <presley> Nice to see you, _bjoern! What's up?
15:53:11 <mini-man> o_O
15:53:12 <presley> Ohai mini-man! What's up?
15:53:19 <MoiraA> anyway sbp, what was that link, then I'll shut up about bots for today
15:53:19 <presley> HAY THURR MoiraA. How's it going?
15:53:22 <_bjoern> You don't see me presley.
15:53:22 <presley> HAY THURR _bjoern. What's up?
15:53:23 <mini-man> god
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15:53:30 <mini-man> I think I just borked it
15:53:35 <procto> so this stuff: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7103566.stm
15:53:38 <procto> sounds worrying
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15:55:21 <MoiraA> just discussing it in another channel
15:55:27 <sbp> MoiraA: hang on a second, getting it
15:55:40 <sbp> http://www.activestate.com/store/productdetail.aspx?prdGuid=b08b04e0-6872-4d9d-a722-7a0c2dea2758
15:55:44 <sbp> there's a free download link there
15:55:45 <_bjoern> How do you hang on a second?
15:55:47 <MoiraA> no worries - cheers
15:55:54 <sbp> or there's cygwin if you wanna try that, but it's a bit more advanced
15:55:56 <sbp> .g cygwin
15:55:59 <phenny> sbp: http://www.cygwin.com/
15:56:10 * _bjoern uses activeperl.
15:56:12 <MoiraA> don't start me on time again _bjoern :)
15:56:13 <sbp> _bjoern: print the second out, paste it to your lampshade...
15:56:29 <_bjoern> so when would you like me to start you, if not on time?
15:57:46 <MoiraA> lol - I was explaining that there is no such thing
15:57:53 <MoiraA> never mind :)
15:59:07 <_bjoern> time is just about the only thing we can be certain it "exists".
15:59:19 <sbp> whoo, Shaun newsletter
15:59:38 <MoiraA> only because we make it up as our lifespans are limited
16:00:36 <_bjoern> "Fisheries Minister Jonathan Shaw has agreed that dumping thousands of tonnes of dead fish back into the sea because of EU fishing quotas is "immoral". " - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7103363.stm
16:00:59 <_bjoern> "European Union quotas strictly limit the amount of fish that vessels can bring back to port, but there is no restriction on the amount of fish they actually catch."
16:01:19 <sbp> d'oh
16:01:25 <MoiraA> and the UK is about the only country that adheres to it
16:01:29 <sbp> I did know about that, I think, from Countryfile
16:01:43 <sbp> Countryfile are teh win
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16:04:23 <presley> Hallo world!
16:04:31 <sbp> presley you goatmuffin
16:04:32 <presley> Hi, sbp. What's up?
16:04:41 <sbp> goatmuffiniteering, I hear
16:05:02 <presley> That's nice, sbp.
16:05:08 <sbp> BAD
16:05:18 <presley> Ah ok, whatever you say.
16:05:22 <sbp> heh, heh
16:05:28 <sbp> presley: ORKGAPORGPOAJRPGOJArogjaorg
16:05:28 <presley> Nice to see you, sbp! How's it going?
16:05:30 <presley> hah, hah :D
16:05:38 <sbp> presley: Nice to see you, sbp! How's it going?
16:05:38 <presley> Howdy doody, sbp. How's it going?
16:05:45 <sbp> presley: Howdy doody, sbp. How's it going?
16:05:45 <presley> Ohai sbp! What's up?
16:05:51 <sbp> presley: Ohai sbp! What's up?
16:05:51 <presley> HAY THURR sbp. How's it going?
16:05:57 <sbp> presley: HAY THURR sbp. How's it going?
16:05:57 <presley> Hai, sbp! What's up?
16:05:59 <presley> Stop abusing me, sbp
16:06:00 <_bjoern> < 冗 > PRESLEY!
16:06:00 <presley> Hello there, _bjoern! How are you today?
16:06:08 <presley> o god :O
16:06:10 <_bjoern> b0rk3ed
16:06:15 <sbp> hallo _bjoern! HAY THURR!
16:06:20 <sbp> How's it going _bjoern?
16:06:26 <presley> Stop copying me, sbp.
16:06:28 <_bjoern> SHUT UP YOU RETARDED BASTARD.
16:06:33 <sbp> ehheh
16:07:01 <sbp> 咒 sez: "KGROKGROKGORKGOKRGOKRG"
16:07:25 <_bjoern> does not : : : ( ( (
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16:08:37 <mini-man> hmm, I think I need a send queue. -_-
16:08:39 <sbp> he is capable of saying that though
16:10:40 <sbp> in 咒-speak, KGR is a vowel form
16:12:22 * _bjoern prepares another battle against ICD-10's X53.
16:12:42 <nsh> what's one'a'dem?
16:13:25 <_bjoern> it's a pun on diadem?
16:15:10 <nsh> i mean, what's an ICD-10's X53?
16:15:25 * Arnia boings
16:15:28 <phenny> Arnia: 08:53Z <procto> tell Arnia my short 2 page survey of decision theoretic semantics is here: http://www.mockingeye.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/reading-review.pdf
16:15:50 <_bjoern> ".g" is your friend?
16:15:55 <nsh> no man
16:16:11 <nsh> friend's are people who answer questions about things i'm not interested enough to look up
16:16:16 <nsh> that's friendship
16:16:42 <nsh> google is a massive attentionsucking whore who converts my free-time into trivial knowledge
16:17:08 <_bjoern> good enough, no?
16:18:11 * nsh wonders why he greengrocered friends
16:18:21 <nsh> i'm definitely becoming illiterate
16:18:33 *** laplink changed the topic to: "<nsh> google is a massive attentionsucking whore who converts my free-time into trivial knowledge"
16:19:00 * Arnia pelts nsh with aubergines
16:19:45 * nsh does some kind of vegetable rain-dance
16:19:59 <nsh> .ety pelt
16:20:02 <phenny> "'to strike' (with something), c.1500, perhaps from an unrecorded O.E. *pyltan, from M.L. *pultiare, from L. pultare 'to beat.' Or from O.Fr. peloter 'to strike with a ball,' from pelote 'ball' (see pellet)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=pelt
16:21:30 <sbp> hehe
16:21:38 <sbp> yo nsh, Arnia, laplink!
16:21:52 <Arnia> yo?
16:22:10 <nsh> biizzargh! sbpingfors
16:22:23 <sbp> an AAVE-derived expression of felicitous greetings; a salutation
16:23:06 * nsh wonders if there are any competative neologism events
16:23:28 <nsh> Chris Morris stylee
16:23:36 <Arnia> Ah... this is what comes of living in a blue box for the past several hundred years
16:23:44 <sbp> it is hard
16:24:25 <sbp> you do get all those cute sidekicks though! I... oh, wait
16:24:48 <nsh> .wik Blue box
16:24:49 <phenny> "An early phreaking tool, the blue box is an electronic device that simulates a telephone operator's dialing console." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_box
16:25:06 <sbp> (were any of them actually particularly cute?)
16:25:15 <nsh> it'd be cool to live in one of those, tron-fashion
16:25:20 <sbp> hehe
16:25:20 <Arnia> Oh I didn't mind Adam
16:25:25 <sbp> you do that, nsh. you do that
16:25:29 <sbp> man, I can't even remember Adam
16:25:33 <sbp> all I remember:
16:25:36 <sbp> * Ace
16:25:40 <sbp> * Billie Piper
16:25:49 <sbp> * I think Catherine Tate is the current one
16:26:09 <sbp> oh and K9
16:26:29 <Arnia> * Ace
16:26:33 <Arnia> * Rose
16:26:38 <Arnia> * Adam
16:26:40 <Arnia> * Jack
16:26:57 <Arnia> * Donna (sort of)
16:27:06 <Arnia> * Martha
16:27:10 <Arnia> * Jack
16:27:14 <Arnia> * Donna
16:27:17 <Arnia> * Martha
16:27:22 <_bjoern> * 冗
16:27:32 <Arnia> oh, should probably insert Sarah Jane in there somewhere
16:27:34 <sbp> ̈
16:27:44 <Arnia> (with K-9)
16:27:47 <sbp> I'd probably remember more if I saw the old eps again
16:28:54 <sbp> wow, the Juno compile stage worked
16:29:01 <sbp> again with hardly any need for bugfixing at all
16:29:15 <sbp> I'm getting really, really good at writing code which basically works-once-written
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16:29:27 <sbp> arse-complicated code, too
16:29:59 <nsh> you are close to the tao
16:30:03 <sbp> indeed
16:30:06 <procto> eps of what are these?
16:30:12 <sbp> Doctor Who
16:30:14 <nsh> doctor who?
16:30:26 <procto> oh right
16:30:30 <sbp> now I need to figure out how to use xml.xpath
16:30:37 <sbp> which will probably be atrocious
16:30:38 <procto> it's deeply embedded within the subconcious of you brits
16:30:43 <sbp> yes
16:30:50 <procto> I tried to hard to enjoy it
16:30:52 <procto> and torchwood, too
16:30:55 <procto> no success
16:31:15 <procto> I couldn't last more than 4 eps of each
16:31:31 <sbp> http://pyxml.sourceforge.net/topics/howto/section-XPath.html
16:31:35 <sbp> - doesn't look too bad...
16:31:47 <sbp> procto: oh, you're thinking of the new ones
16:31:52 <sbp> yeah, I watched... two I think
16:31:55 <MoiraA> I'll see if active python will install :)
16:32:02 <procto> sbp: the old ones are just... old
16:32:08 <MoiraA> just got sidetracked looking at pictures of guns
16:32:08 * _bjoern attacks X53 with curly yellow things and blood-like liquid
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16:32:11 <presley> Hallo world!
16:32:26 <MoiraA> guy from the States in a channel I'm in
16:32:37 <procto> sbp: I mean, my problem with the new ones is that they're too juvenile for me to enjoy. I imagine it is even more so for the old ones
16:34:57 <sbp> o... kay, how the crap do I bind namespaces for xpath.Evaluate?
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16:36:38 <_bjoern> what is xpath.Evaluate?
16:36:43 <sbp> documentation for this doesn't exist, apparently
16:36:50 <sbp> _bjoern: xml.xpath.Evaluate from PyXML
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16:36:56 * sbp reads the source
16:39:36 <sbp> great, I'm not even sure if it's possible
16:39:57 <sbp> this sucks a lot more than I'd even feared
16:40:27 <_bjoern> You are too positive about other people's software.
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16:42:29 <sbp> yeah
16:42:44 <sbp> okay, working it out from the source of the commandline interface
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16:48:27 <sbp> xml.xpath.RuntimeException: Undefined namespace prefix: "h".
16:48:32 <sbp> clearly is not yet workink
16:48:43 <sbp> namespaces = {
16:48:43 <sbp> 'h': 'http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'
16:48:44 <sbp> }
16:48:52 <sbp> Context = xml.xpath.Context.Context
16:48:52 <sbp> context = Context(dom.documentElement, processorNss=namespaces)
16:48:52 <sbp> context.ownerDocument = dom.documentElement
16:48:52 <sbp> nodes = xml.xpath.Evaluate('//h:head', context)
16:48:52 <sbp> print nodes
16:48:57 <sbp> that's what I was doing
16:49:31 <_bjoern> Undefined namespace prefix: "h".
16:50:08 * _bjoern susepects it'd work if you declared the ns in the document?
16:50:29 <_bjoern> phenny!
16:50:29 <phenny> _bjoern!
16:50:49 <sbp> well I don't want to declare the ns in the document, that's sorta the point
16:50:58 <sbp> they've got to be independent
16:51:15 <_bjoern> yes, but it'd work, right?
16:51:35 <sbp> probably... but what happens when h: is bound to something else?
16:51:54 <sbp> it'd get overwritten
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16:57:05 <_bjoern> You have the Evaluate arguments wrong?
16:57:21 <nsh> .calc sqrt 1000
16:57:24 <phenny> sqrt(1 000) = 31.6227766
16:58:29 <sbp> ah! this worked:
16:58:29 <sbp> Context = xml.xpath.Context.Context
16:58:30 <sbp> expr = xml.xpath.Compile('//h:head')
16:58:30 <sbp> context = Context(dom.documentElement, processorNss=namespaces)
16:58:30 <sbp> nodes = expr.evaluate(context)
16:58:48 <sbp> actually yeah, I think I might've done
16:59:22 <sbp> yep. this works:
16:59:23 <sbp> nodes = xml.xpath.Evaluate('//h:head', context=context)
16:59:24 <sbp> ta
16:59:37 * _bjoern a genius
16:59:39 <sbp> heheh
16:59:41 <sbp> even in Python
17:00:08 <_bjoern> was easy after clicking a link in a search engine of my choice.
17:00:14 <sbp> heh
17:00:23 <sbp> we all know what you use
17:00:34 <_bjoern> no u dont
17:00:40 <sbp> Altavista!
17:00:50 <thelsdj> Astalavista!
17:00:54 <_bjoern> that's long ago
17:00:57 <_bjoern> that, too.
17:01:23 <thelsdj> .box.sk i think
17:02:00 <_bjoern> I saw this one coming http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/UnNews:Surfer_dude_stuns_physicists_with_theory_of_everything
17:04:55 <sbp> you should've scooped 'em!
17:05:38 <_bjoern> no, I must stick to the plan, stick to the plan, stick to the plan.
17:06:16 <sbp> oh yeah, I saw this
17:06:24 <sbp> someone quoted http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/14/scisurf114.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox
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17:07:50 <_bjoern> xplain this http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/bn/8522-53884-3341-3?mpt=wdArat,bdugfhvtpckj
17:08:34 <sbp> .title http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.0770
17:08:36 <_bjoern> ooh its animated even
17:08:37 <phenny> sbp: [0711.0770] An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything
17:08:53 <sbp> _bjoern: yeah, the animation sorta spoiled the question
17:10:35 <sbp> his paper itself is beautiful
17:12:20 <Arnia> sbp: I quoted that earlier
17:12:28 <sbp> oh, it was you? thanks
17:12:35 <Arnia> sbp: There is a terrible spat going on though
17:12:45 <sbp> what's the spat about? why's it terrible?
17:13:18 <Arnia> sbp: a war between string theorists and those heathens who don't believe that string theory is the ultimate theory of everything
17:13:40 <sbp> ah, that doesn't surprise me from the little I know
17:13:48 <sbp> what with the $$$ in string theory
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17:19:18 <sbp> I am so close to having a trivial Juno document working
17:22:00 <MoiraA> just to say sbp, that python installed fine
17:22:26 <sbp> MoiraA: great!
17:22:30 <sbp> and also, whoo!
17:22:40 <sbp> the first Juno stylesheet has been applied to an XHTML document!
17:22:57 <sbp> for reference, it was:
17:22:57 <sbp> $ cat junostyle.n3
17:22:57 <sbp> @prefix : <http://example.org/juno#> .
17:22:57 <sbp> @prefix t: <http://example.org/test#> .
17:22:57 <sbp> @keywords a .
17:22:58 <sbp> <> a JunoStylesheet .
17:23:02 <sbp> [ a Rule; opt "h:head//*[@rel='env']";
17:23:02 <jsled> nice.
17:23:04 <sbp> yields [ subject input; t:env [ uri "@href" ] ]
17:23:06 <sbp> ] .
17:23:08 <sbp> # EOF
17:23:16 <jsled> SORRY.
17:23:25 <sbp> now a break whilst I watch The Simpsons
17:23:35 <MoiraA> but we'll leave it at that for today
17:24:50 <sbp> "Springfield: Birthplace of The Beatles"
17:28:14 <_bjoern> another german band hijacked by the americans.
17:29:38 <sbp> heh!
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17:53:50 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7103566.stm
17:53:54 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Politics | Darling admits 25m records lost
17:53:55 <sbp> big news in the UK
17:54:03 <sbp> headline news, in fact
17:54:11 <sbp> they sent two discs between two govt. departments
17:54:19 <sbp> by a courier, TNT, unregistered
17:54:24 <sbp> and it hasn't turned up at the other end
17:54:43 <sbp> names, addresses, NI numbers, children's details, bank accounts...
17:55:44 <KragenSitaker> unencrypted?
17:56:48 * nsh nods
17:57:09 <nsh> and we're supposed to give them all our information for ID cards
17:57:19 <nsh> there are not enough f's for the pft i give that
17:57:26 <sbp> KragenSitaker: they were password protected, they say
17:57:58 <sbp> I'm not sure what that entails, but given how worried they are that might indicate that it wasn't a particularly cryptographically secure protection
17:58:26 <sbp> nsh: did you see what Baroness what's-her-name said about it?
17:58:40 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7088315.stm
17:58:43 <nsh> i heard someone on radio 4 while i had my dinner, secretery to the treasury
17:58:44 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | UK | Peer 'ready to defy ID card law'
17:58:45 <nsh> she was a twat
17:59:05 <nsh> ah cool
17:59:05 <sbp> yeah, the Secretary to the Treasury was just on the TV
17:59:18 <sbp> Darling refused an interview
17:59:22 <nsh> @Baroness Williams++
17:59:30 <sbp> she said she didn't know anything about it when they asked her why he refused
17:59:34 <sbp> even though they sent her instead
17:59:52 <nsh> :-/
17:59:58 <sbp> (perhaps she wasn't told? but given her position...)
18:01:02 <KragenSitaker> when are you brits going to leave the 18th century with its hereditary nobles?
18:01:15 <KragenSitaker> come on, the French Revolution has ALREADY HAPPENED.
18:01:24 <nsh> they have their uses
18:01:45 <KragenSitaker> :)
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18:06:04 <nsh> [[[
18:06:06 <nsh> But Baroness Williams said: "Because it is so expensive the government has proposed that it will sell our data to commercial interests who will then be able to track down every damn thing you do from dawn until dusk.
18:06:10 <nsh> ]]] ibid
18:06:12 <nsh> wtf!?
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18:11:50 <Arnia> KragenSitaker: for a start, they're often far more sensible than elected positions
18:12:14 <Arnia> KragenSitaker: they've been shown to represent their constituency's interests far better
18:12:31 * Arnia hates arguments along the lines of 'its old so it must be bad'
18:12:57 <_bjoern> What's this fuss about ID cards?
18:13:00 <Arnia> I'm reminded of the comments on temporal provincialism made a few weeks ago
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18:13:19 <_bjoern> We introduced them 1938 and you could easily opt out of having one.
18:13:31 <_bjoern> Well except if you happened to be a jew.
18:14:18 <nsh> i tried throwing my goverment once and it didn't go far
18:14:39 <nsh> so i trust it even opp(further)
18:15:14 <Arnia> further^op
18:15:14 <KragenSitaker> Arnia: I'm not making a serious argument right now
18:15:23 * nsh smiles
18:15:51 <_bjoern> You do not even have to carry them with you. Well, except in Berlin until 1990.
18:16:02 <KragenSitaker> Too sleepy.
18:16:05 <_bjoern> If you didn't, the allied forces were entitled to shoot you were you stood.
18:16:20 <_bjoern> So I don't see the issue really.
18:16:41 <sbp> this isn't about shooting, it's about us being spammed!
18:16:45 <_bjoern> We always run on them as soon as we can get one, so we can buy booze.
18:16:45 <sbp> even more than we are currently!
18:16:54 <nsh> there's a lot more infrastructure these days, and it's mostly used for nefarious purposes
18:17:03 <nsh> .gc nefarious porpoise
18:17:04 <phenny> nefarious porpoise: 9,180
18:17:08 <nsh> .gc "nefarious porpoise"
18:17:11 <phenny> "nefarious porpoise": 28
18:17:51 <_bjoern> I agree that we shouldn't entrust private data to the government, but that problem is being solved right now.
18:18:14 <_bjoern> Both good american corporations have recently started working on maintaining our medical data for us.
18:18:19 <nsh> there's revolution afoot?
18:18:31 <nsh> i'm supposed to be on google alerts for the revolution
18:18:32 <_bjoern> And if we can't trust Google and Microsoft, then I don't know who!
18:18:53 * Arnia points Jabberwock to _bjoern
18:20:22 <_bjoern> .wik GABF
18:20:24 <phenny> "The Great American Beer Festival (GABF) is a three-day annual event hosted by the Brewers Association held at the end of September or the beginning of October in Denver, Colorado." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GABF
18:23:53 <_bjoern> .gc SWFObject
18:23:55 <phenny> SWFObject: 2,350,000
18:28:16 <sbp> hmm. I wonder how tricky it's going to be to make it to the bigger test case...
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18:34:46 <Monty> bah, it's cr`x again
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18:58:47 <nsh> Monty, renege the oracle!
18:58:48 <Monty> god
18:58:55 <nsh> Monty, smith will suffice
18:58:56 <Monty> good
18:59:11 <nsh> Monty, wax more, you monosyllabic slob!
18:59:15 <Monty> It's true to say that exceptions scratches menthol Leafnode!
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19:14:10 <_bjoern> http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200711/error'd/5dollarguarantee.JPG
19:16:01 <therethinker> I loved that
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19:18:00 <Monty> it's mmmmmrob!
19:18:10 <_bjoern> it's Monty!
19:18:12 <Monty> was on someones' shell, so
19:18:21 <_bjoern> Monty, ... so?
19:18:22 <Monty> didn't mind :)
19:18:28 <_bjoern> Monty, k
19:18:31 <Monty> names, addresses, NI numbers, children's details, bank accounts...
19:18:51 <_bjoern> Slowly becoming a GMonty.
19:18:59 <Monty> good american corporations have your head all our data to disconnect from its probably insert Sarah Jane in middle school, she's 48 now, so ?x bindings default
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19:35:08 <_bjoern> hmm http://lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
19:41:56 <therethinker> Heh... I wonder what's the maximum number of clicks for you to go from topic X to topic Y on wikipedia
19:42:07 <therethinker> Cow to LED only took 8
19:42:19 <_bjoern> +Inf most likely.
19:42:39 <jsled> yeah, maximum?
19:42:45 <therethinker> Sorry, average
19:43:31 <clsn> _bjoern: http://lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Genesis_1 is pretty good. :)
19:43:45 <clsn> given my somewhat limited lolcat knowledge.
19:44:19 <perigrin> lolpipz, sing clsn a song
19:44:22 <lolpipz> perigrin: WUT WOULD YU LIEK ME 2 SIN? KTHXBYE!. KTHX.
19:44:25 <_bjoern> Maybe you meant, two pages where there minimum number of clicks is maximal?
19:44:53 <_bjoern> i.e., you can't go from A to B with less than X clicks, and all other pairs require <= X clicks?
19:45:02 <_bjoern> excluding special pages and such?
19:45:17 <_bjoern> average would not be very meaningful.
19:45:34 <therethinker> "It happen, lights everwear, like christmass, srsly."
19:45:41 <therethinker> Yeah, exactly
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19:53:28 <_bjoern> countdown
19:53:28 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 1, 9, 10, 9, 9. Your target is 243. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
19:53:42 <_bjoern> that doesn't quite work, does it
19:53:58 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
19:54:00 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 4 milliseconds. I found all 60 solutions in about 223 milliseconds.
19:54:01 <Monty> ibot (9 - 1 + 10 + 9)*9
19:54:14 <_bjoern> perhaps it does then...
19:54:17 <_bjoern> countdown
19:54:17 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 7, 5, 9, 7, 5. Your target is 829. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
19:54:31 <_bjoern> calc 9*(100 - 7)
19:54:32 <Monty> _bjoern: 837
19:54:45 <_bjoern> calc 9*(100 - 7) - 7 - 5/5
19:54:46 <Monty> _bjoern: 829
19:54:47 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
19:54:49 <Monty> Oh bugger, I don't think I can solve that one!
19:55:00 <_bjoern> pwnt
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19:56:28 <therethinker> what is countdown?
19:56:35 <therethinker> Monty: help countdown?
19:56:35 <Monty> Help: "No help is available for the "countdown?" command yet. Maybe Paul's not documented it yet?"
19:56:40 <therethinker> countdown
19:56:40 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 4, 7, 1, 7, 4. Your target is 870. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
19:57:11 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
19:57:12 <Monty> Oh bugger, I don't think I can solve that one!
19:57:18 <therethinker> HAHA :P
19:57:20 <therethinker> pwnt
19:57:24 <therethinker> countdown
19:57:25 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 7, 3, 5, 4, 10. Your target is 749. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
19:57:54 <therethinker> calc 7*(3+4) + 25 * 5 * 10
19:57:55 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
19:57:56 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 10 milliseconds. I found all 28 solutions in about 187 milliseconds.
19:57:58 <Monty> ibot 25*3*10 - 5 + 4
19:57:59 <Monty> therethinker: 1299
19:58:30 <therethinker> 30 seconds is short >_>
19:58:32 <therethinker> countdown
19:58:32 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 10, 5, 10, 3, 1. Your target is 364. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
19:58:58 <therethinker> 5*50-10-10+3+1
19:59:02 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
19:59:04 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 103 milliseconds. I found all 48 solutions in about 412 milliseconds.
19:59:05 <Monty> ibot (50 + 10 + 10 + 3)*5 - 1
19:59:06 <therethinker> calc 5*50-10-10+3+1
19:59:06 <_bjoern> calc 5*50-10-10+3+1
19:59:07 <Monty> therethinker: 234
19:59:09 <Monty> _bjoern: 234
19:59:18 <_bjoern> far off really
19:59:20 <_bjoern> countdown
19:59:20 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 75, 6, 4, 2, 3, 3. Your target is 369. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
19:59:22 <therethinker> Yes... I know
19:59:38 <_bjoern> calc (2+3)*(75-2)
19:59:39 <Monty> _bjoern: 365
19:59:42 <_bjoern> calc (2+3)*(75-2) + 4
19:59:43 <Monty> _bjoern: 369
19:59:50 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
19:59:52 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 19 milliseconds. I found all 94 solutions in about 209 milliseconds.
19:59:53 <Monty> ibot (2 + 3)*75 - 6
19:59:55 <_bjoern> hmm only 1 2
20:00:03 <clsn> You don't have to use all the numbers?
20:00:10 <therethinker> You don't!?
20:00:14 <_bjoern> no, but you can use each only once.
20:00:14 <therethinker> countdown
20:00:15 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 7, 8, 9, 3, 1. Your target is 196. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
20:00:34 <therethinker> calc (50*3) + 7*3
20:00:35 <Monty> therethinker: 171
20:00:39 <_bjoern> calc (7-3)*(50-1)
20:00:40 <Monty> _bjoern: 196
20:00:41 <therethinker> calc (50*3) + 7*3 + 8+ 9
20:00:42 <Monty> therethinker: 188
20:00:45 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
20:00:46 <clsn> OIC.
20:00:47 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 1 milliseconds. I found all 52 solutions in about 198 milliseconds.
20:00:48 <Monty> ibot (9*3 + 1)*7
20:01:06 <therethinker> I hate you monty
20:01:07 <Monty> hah, hah :D
20:01:24 <therethinker> IM GOING TO KILL YOU IN YOUR SLEEP, MONTY!
20:01:24 <Monty> ha
20:01:34 <therethinker> monty, countdown
20:01:35 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 5, 8, 6, 10, 7. Your target is 754. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
20:01:54 <therethinker> calc 7 * 100 + 10*5
20:01:54 <Monty> therethinker: 750
20:02:05 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
20:02:06 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 8 milliseconds. I found all 18 solutions in about 184 milliseconds.
20:02:08 <Monty> ibot (100 - 7)*8 + 10
20:02:19 <clsn> But he didn't use the 6!
20:02:24 <therethinker> He doesn't need to
20:02:30 <clsn> But we do?
20:02:37 <therethinker> No, we don't
20:02:52 <therethinker> you use each numer 1 or 0 times
20:03:00 <therethinker> we need phenny to be able to beat monty @ this
20:03:05 <Monty> leaving a massive attentionsucking whore who converts my short thanksgiving week
20:03:06 <clsn> Thot _bjoern said the best you could do was not have to use duplicated numbers multiply.
20:03:12 <thelsdj> "Activate the Chang-Diaz Drive!"
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20:03:19 <therethinker> XD
20:03:25 <clsn> ok back soon.
20:03:32 <therethinker> no, but you can use each only once.
20:03:42 <therethinker> sorry, that was _bjoern's quote
20:03:44 <therethinker> countdown
20:03:44 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 75, 3, 1, 2, 5, 6. Your target is 729. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
20:04:06 <therethinker> 75*(6+3+1) - 2*5 -1
20:04:10 <therethinker> calc 75*(6+3+1) - 2*5 -1
20:04:10 <Monty> therethinker: 739
20:04:14 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
20:04:16 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 19 milliseconds. I found all 45 solutions in about 213 milliseconds.
20:04:17 <Monty> ibot (75*2 - 3)*5 - 6
20:17:46 <glen_quagmire> i wan't cha't
20:17:57 <_bjoern> is that klingon?
20:18:01 <_bjoern> a kind of food?
20:18:20 <glen_quagmire> it's tiredese
20:18:20 <_bjoern> or a weapon?
20:18:32 <glen_quagmire> . + ' = :
20:18:35 <_bjoern> o i c
20:18:38 <_bjoern> u tried Monty?
20:18:38 <glen_quagmire> , + ' = ;
20:18:39 <Monty> average
20:18:57 <glen_quagmire> that's a difference between : and ;
20:19:07 <glen_quagmire> Monty, hai
20:19:08 <Monty> requisite mothers!
20:19:32 <glen_quagmire> i'm making a tile based game in flash
20:19:46 <glen_quagmire> it's difficult to make character move tile by tile
20:21:12 <glen_quagmire> I has a blog: http://numeric.wordpress.com/
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20:21:26 <glen_quagmire> i will make blogging my new hobby
20:21:29 * Arnia has never gotten GTD
20:22:21 <Arnia> I can't even organise things into 'things to do now'... plus, I don't know how to deal with my mountain of things to do which predate any starting point for using GTD techniques
20:22:34 <Arnia> glen_quagmire: installed jsMath?
20:22:58 <glen_quagmire> Arnia, wordpress comes with latex
20:24:24 <glen_quagmire> Whatever quoted by $ are latex. $I \in Girl$
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20:26:04 <Arnia> glen_quagmire: yes, but it makes images
20:26:07 <Arnia> Images are bad
20:26:13 <Arnia> Don't scale etc
20:26:20 <Arnia> .g jsmath
20:26:23 <phenny> Arnia: http://www.math.union.edu/locate/jsMath
20:26:24 <glen_quagmire> oh
20:26:59 <glen_quagmire> we need ISO standard for mathematics notations
20:27:13 <Arnia> No no we don't
20:27:39 <glen_quagmire> programs communicate because if you write weird stuff, it won't compile
20:27:41 <Arnia> It would hinder creativity... a surprising amount of insight comes from the first hundred thirty years of mess in any given notation
20:28:01 <glen_quagmire> mathematicians have their own notations and they don't comunicate
20:28:34 <Arnia> Uh?
20:28:42 <glen_quagmire> let's make a syntaxless programming language
20:28:46 <Arnia> What do you mean by 'communicate'. I'd say they communicate damn well
20:29:02 <Arnia> glen_quagmire: it is called Pluvo
20:29:05 * Arnia ducks
20:29:18 <glen_quagmire> well if you know the notation you can understand
20:29:34 <Arnia> I think that's called language
20:29:45 <Arnia> Any language depends upon you knowing the notation
20:30:17 * Arnia hits his presentation
20:30:21 <Arnia> Still haven't finished
20:30:23 <Arnia> damn
20:30:49 <glen_quagmire> are you using Keynote?
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20:32:57 <glen_quagmire> http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~oneill/freesoftware/pdftokeynote.html my girlfriend wrote pdf to keynote program. so you can do latex -> pdf -> keynote -> pretend you're a mac user
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20:36:42 <sbp> msg 57710 created
20:36:42 <sbp> issue 1477 created
20:36:51 <sbp> I have submitted... a python bug! my second ever
20:37:03 <glen_quagmire> sbp, let's see the bug
20:37:25 <glen_quagmire> oh i see
20:37:29 <sbp> .title http://bugs.python.org/issue1477
20:37:33 <phenny> sbp: Issue 1477: UnicodeDecodeError that cannot be caught in narrow unicode builds - Tracker
20:39:55 <glen_quagmire> i notice girls watch their own boobies while they walk
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20:40:30 <sbp> why do you think they do that?
20:41:09 <glen_quagmire> i get the same error
20:41:16 <glen_quagmire> but i don't know about unicode
20:41:24 <glen_quagmire> oh i just saw a girl doing it
20:41:27 <MoiraA> aha
20:41:39 <MoiraA> just got to the bottom of secure data wiping
20:41:41 <sbp> MoiraA, why do you think they do it?
20:41:54 <glen_quagmire> they are self concsious
20:41:56 <sbp> secure data wiping... good old srm
20:41:57 <MoiraA> I don't do it :)
20:42:16 <MoiraA> yeah, a forum told me installing xp and formatting the drive wasn't secure
20:42:21 <sbp> I like how srm --medium is DoD compliant
20:42:40 <MoiraA> however, I found an expert
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20:42:48 <glen_quagmire> i like programming so that i prefer chatting in irc
20:42:48 <sbp> and if you leave --medium out it does five times as many overwrites
20:43:01 <MoiraA> well this guy said
20:43:10 <MoiraA> It overwrites all data with 0s. That's it. The data is gone for all intents and purposes. The drive certainly can't read it again...
20:43:18 <MoiraA> it's technically possible that the old data still "shines through" - as in where there used to be a 1, there's now a 0.0001, and where there used to be a 0, there's now a 0.
20:43:25 <sbp> yeah
20:43:28 <MoiraA> However unless you happen to have lost the meaning of life, or the location of Osama Bin Laden on that drive, you're unlikely to get half the scientists in the world working on recovering it.
20:43:35 <sbp> indeed
20:43:41 <sbp> DoD compliance calls for 7 overwrites
20:43:51 <sbp> -m, --medium
20:43:51 <sbp> overwrite the file with 7 US DoD compliant passes (0xF6, 0x00,
20:43:51 <sbp> 0xFF, random, 0x00, 0xFF, random)
20:43:55 <glen_quagmire> i have hard disk that has important information
20:44:06 <glen_quagmire> it has my homeworks
20:44:08 <MoiraA> I'm getting rid of a computer, this is why this has come up
20:44:25 <glen_quagmire> MoiraA, can't you use magnet?
20:44:29 <glen_quagmire> and vinegar
20:44:36 <MoiraA> I can use DBAN
20:44:42 <glen_quagmire> and salt and heat
20:44:46 <MoiraA> but I was just wondering if it was necessary
20:45:07 <glen_quagmire> if you want to clear disk using software only... i'm not sure how to do that
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20:46:11 <sbp> neat, I just found my previous bug
20:46:13 <sbp> .title http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-bugs-list/2005-December/031329.html
20:46:17 <phenny> sbp: [ python-Bugs-1382096 ] MacRoman Encoding Bug (OHM vs. OMEGA)
20:46:42 <MoiraA> you could use dban
20:46:51 <glen_quagmire> .g dban
20:46:54 <phenny> glen_quagmire: http://dban.sourceforge.net/
20:46:58 <MoiraA> or attach it as a slave and wipe with pgp
20:47:43 <glen_quagmire> wouldn't it be better to download a very large file?
20:47:53 <glen_quagmire> cat /dev/urandom > /
20:48:08 <MoiraA> like, 160 GB?
20:48:42 <glen_quagmire> if making bits 0 can make it 0 and 0.0001, how about writing 1's?
20:49:20 <glen_quagmire> i dont make sense because i'm checking out girls in the library
20:49:33 <MoiraA> glen_quagmire: a large file would just be one overwrite
20:49:37 <glen_quagmire> maybe someone's sniffing on my wirelesscard
20:50:16 <glen_quagmire> i dont know about disc. but it sounds like discs keep track of overwrites
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20:51:28 <MoiraA> either way, it sounds paranoic of me to worry beyond full formatting and reinstalling xp
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20:59:46 <sbp> MoiraA: depends who you're giving it to and what's on it, I guess
21:00:22 <MoiraA> you don't know where it will eventually end up though
21:00:37 <MoiraA> but heh, it's got a new install of vista ultimate on, that's it
21:01:16 <MoiraA> strangely, the timer stop trick is *still* working and I'm tempted to install it on my new pc instead of home premium
21:01:27 <MoiraA> I bought two legit copies after all
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21:05:09 <sbp> where it'll end up: good point
21:05:30 <MoiraA> but I think I'm starting to get paranoid
21:05:44 <MoiraA> I can use DBAN
21:06:08 <MoiraA> not like I've got secret important info
21:09:45 <sbp> my meteogram says it's gonna be warmish and clearish and not-rainy-ish tomorrow
21:09:56 <sbp> which is cool. I just noticed that I prefer using that to any other weather service, too...
21:12:45 <thelsdj> sbp: whats the uri for the meteograms again?
21:14:12 <sbp> thelsdj: http://inamidst.com/sw/meteo/gram
21:14:18 <sbp> I'm off. 'night!
21:14:28 <thelsdj> found it
21:14:29 <thelsdj> night
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21:17:47 <MoiraA> night sbp
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21:51:27 <thelsdj> phenny: ask sbp if he can add: US-AZ-Prescott-Diamond-Valley 37.0625, -95.677068
21:51:30 <phenny> thelsdj: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
21:52:59 <MoiraA> phew, got some right idiot in #tor
21:53:11 <MoiraA> mind, that's what people probably say about me
21:57:26 <thelsdj> doesn't mean you can't complain about other people :)
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21:58:03 <Monty> yo nwalsh!
21:58:40 <MoiraA> the problem is, he's been told as much as I know
21:58:48 <MoiraA> yet he is still pestering
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22:00:08 <MoiraA> he's complaining his firewall is blocking tor, but evades my questions as to why he doesn't change it
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22:00:18 <MoiraA> sounds very much like this isn't his computer
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22:05:59 <Monty> hi Morbus
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22:12:13 <nsh> .wik Gresham's law
22:12:16 <phenny> "Gresham's law is commonly stated as 'Bad money drives out good' - or more precisely, 'When there is a legal tender currency, bad money drives good money out of circulation.' Or, more accurately, 'Money overvalued by the State will drive money undervalued by the State [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law
22:12:46 <nsh> Solutions are left as an exercise to the species.
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22:20:07 <Monty> bah, it's nnm again
22:20:07 <Monty> it's bancus!
22:20:07 <Monty> yo JibberJim!
22:20:07 <Monty> hi JibbyBot, how ya doing?
22:20:08 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
22:20:08 <Monty> Do you sometimes wish you were around ?
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22:20:11 <laplink> .title http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20060701
22:20:23 <phenny> laplink: Ctrl+Alt+Del
22:20:33 <laplink> Meh. Bad CAD!
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22:23:05 <Monty> But what does ido have to do with the price of fish?
22:23:08 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
22:23:08 <Monty> Geekfactor 9
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22:25:46 <Monty> Thank goodness, tro is back!
22:25:48 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
22:25:50 <Monty> ??? sez: "KGROKGROKGORKGOKRGOKRG"
22:28:53 <thelsdj> lol
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