00:00:26 <mini-man> erm
00:00:27 <mini-man> http://pastebin.com/m6e6718d9
00:00:31 <mini-man> I'm pretty stuck on that..
00:01:12 <mini-man> see the checkFlood class - it works perfectly, except let's say I say 20 lines in excess flood, it iwll kick me twice, even though I say nothing after it kicked me the first time for the first 5 lines of spam. o___O
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00:33:36 <pierpa> phenny: "bengelchen"
00:33:57 <pierpa> phenny: "bengel"
00:34:11 <pierpa> phenny: help
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00:34:13 <phenny> Hi, I'm phenny (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
00:34:16 <phenny> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, compare, email, event, gimage, google, googlecalc, googlecount, googledef, httphead, kalusa, mangle, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, rate, rates, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
00:34:20 <phenny> Try "phenny: help command?" if stuck. My owner is sbp.
00:34:46 <pierpa> phenny: translate "bengelchen"
00:34:58 <pierpa> hmmm
00:35:09 <pierpa> phenny: help translate
00:35:11 <phenny> 'phenny: "<phrase>"? - Translate <phrase>'
00:35:23 <pierpa> phenny: "bengelchen"?
00:35:33 <phenny> pierpa: "bengelchen" (de)
00:35:34 <pierpa> phenny: "bengel"?
00:35:37 <phenny> pierpa: "bengel" (nl)
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01:59:27 <Tene> .g "hot blonde soup"
01:59:30 <phenny> Tene: http://hot-blonde.jnshosting.com/
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02:18:32 <deltab> The fastest way to tie shoelaces: http://www.mordiallocchelsealeader.com.au/article/2007/11/19/25551_mcv_news.html
02:23:17 <nsh> finally, i can achieve optimal efficiency!
02:23:29 <clsn> I found a website all about fast shoelace-tying once. I wonder if it is the one referenced.
02:24:01 <clsn> I think it is...
02:24:10 <clsn> Had some okay suggestions, too.
02:24:19 <clsn> not just fast, but other variants.
02:24:54 <clsn> .g shoelace tying
02:24:57 <phenny> clsn: http://www.shoelaceknot.com/shoelace/knots.htm
02:25:18 <clsn> yep that's it.
02:25:29 <clsn> .title http://www.shoelaceknot.com/shoelace/knots.htm
02:25:32 <phenny> clsn: Ian's Shoelace Site - Shoelace Knots - How To Tie Your Shoes
02:27:39 <jsled> I have to say, I'm very happy with the better bow.
02:27:52 <jsled> though it's hard to do with a short run of lace.
02:30:41 <clsn> Yeah, I sometimes do the Better Bow to keep my shoelaces from untying in certain circumstances.
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02:39:07 <nsh> .ety ocelot
02:39:10 <phenny> "'large wildcat of Central and South America,' 1775, from Fr. ocelot, formed in Fr. by naturalist de Buffon (1707-1788), from Nahuatl ocelotl 'jaguar' (in full tlalocelotl, a compound formed with tlalli 'field')." - http://etymonline.com/?term=ocelot
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03:49:03 <Monty> But what does cre8radix have to do with the price of fish?
03:49:05 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
03:49:06 <Monty> bi-confused: 1,170
03:50:50 <nsh> i appear to have unlearned all my mathematics :-/
03:51:01 <nsh> this may be problematic
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04:52:47 <_bjoern> .calc 2 GB over 768kbps
04:52:49 <phenny> (2 gigabytes) over (768 kbps) = 6.06814815 hours
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05:37:41 <pierpa>
05:37:42 <pierpa>
05:37:42 <pierpa>
05:37:48 <pierpa> .weather lirf
05:37:51 <phenny> Clear ☼, 3℃, 1021mb, Light air 3kt (↑) - LIRF 6:50, 0550Z
05:37:54 <nsh>
05:37:55 <nsh>
05:37:55 <nsh>
05:37:56 <nsh>
05:37:59 <nsh> do i get powers now?
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05:38:01 <Monty> hi thelsdj
05:38:42 <pierpa> sorry, I don't know where these blank lines came from.
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06:07:45 * Arnia_ blinks
06:07:57 <Arnia_> Ok... shouldn't have got back in at ten to seven
06:21:19 *** Arnia_ is now known as Arnia
06:21:30 <Arnia> "i wonder, if one could formulate a meta-antropic principle: given any kind of universe, if an inteligent observer evolves (s)he will always develop a theory of why the universe has to be such as to support this particular form of intelligent observer."
06:21:42 <Arnia> -- http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=594#comment-28280
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06:54:02 <xover> .title http://use.perl.org/articles/07/11/15/223246.shtml
06:54:05 <phenny> xover: use Perl | Fuse::PDF
07:14:32 <_bjoern> sick.
07:15:55 * _bjoern has an idea for a hax
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07:23:00 <Monty> howdy, beobal
07:23:23 <xover> «Mr. McBride came over and shared some small talk with the 3 of us during the 45-minute break.» — Groklaw
07:23:51 <xover> Darl McBride is making with the friendly with Groklaw folks now? `the fuck?
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07:47:25 <procto> Arnia: I just finished a 2 page survey of decision theoretic semantcs. interested in having a peek?
07:47:44 <procto> I really hope we're not graded on this part, because it's not my best work ever :>
07:50:25 <procto> \/x procto(x) --> sleep-madness(x)
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07:58:07 <sbp> no YOU are buttersafe
08:00:15 <sbp> .title neu.edu
08:00:28 <phenny> sbp: Northeastern University
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08:02:37 <Monty> hi beobal, how ya doing?
08:02:39 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
08:02:41 <Monty> We're extremely unlikely to judge too lame
08:02:44 <_bjoern> omg .title sucks less now!?
08:05:19 <sbp> "what's up CUTE TENTACLE!" "meow."
08:05:21 <sbp> yeah
08:05:31 <sbp> sorry, CUTE TENTACLE!!
08:05:33 <sbp> - http://buttersafe.com/2007/10/23/the-moon/
08:05:50 <sbp> I SAY HELLO UNTO THEE BJOERNENCES
08:05:57 <sbp> IN THE FORM OF A TENTACLE CARTOON
08:06:00 <_bjoern> Above the sun!
08:09:27 <xover> Hmm.
08:09:33 <xover> Gmail information leak.
08:09:46 <_bjoern> "The number of people newly infected with HIV has dropped significantly in recent years around the world, especially in sub-Saharan Africa, according to a United Nations report to be released today."
08:09:49 <xover> I know how often sbp checks his email.
08:10:23 <sbp> xover: hehe
08:10:52 <sbp> main account: always a tab open to it, always GMail Notifier running
08:11:05 <sbp> secondary account: depends, but usually several times a day; always when I get up at least
08:11:44 <sbp> at least I'm not a paralegal
08:12:33 <procto> phenny: tell arnia my short 2 page survey of decision theoretic semantics is here: http://www.mockingeye.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/reading-review.pdf
08:12:36 <phenny> procto: I'll pass that on when arnia is around.
08:13:50 <xover> There are some scary scary people on here.
08:14:12 * xover buggers off to `ork…
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08:33:05 <Monty> howdy, darobin_
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08:40:24 <sbp> PARENTS.
08:40:29 <sbp> The Anti-Drug.
08:40:37 <sbp> seems clear to me
08:40:49 <sbp> if you take too much drug, take parents and that'll balance it out
08:42:00 <_bjoern> but why should I check it out?
08:42:13 <_bjoern> and why is their space everyone's space?
08:42:23 <_bjoern> why would antidrugs have space on their own?
08:42:41 <_bjoern> not to mention the pixelated eyes.
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08:45:02 <sbp> the eyes are pixelated because if they were in too high a resolution you wouldn't click through to what must be a more high resolution version of it
08:45:41 <_bjoern> Well I didn't click it
08:45:58 <sbp> you just don't give a hoot about resolution, do you?
08:47:29 <_bjoern> here is another one http://media.nyadmcncserve-05y06a.com/iframe?spacedesc=1092143_1061363_600x400_1082327_1092143&target=_blank&@CPSC@=
08:47:39 <_bjoern> ooh it'a animated actually
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08:48:59 <_bjoern> "TEST YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR TEEN'S WORLD: Skittles, prosti-tots, poking, ..."
08:49:53 <_bjoern> .compare "parents are scary" "parents aren't scary"
08:49:56 <phenny> "parents are scary" (9,090), "parents aren't scary" (2)
08:54:26 <sbp> "go to work, jerk off a monkey, sit around drinking apple-substitute milk from Japan, take the pressurised underground tubes home, kiss your wife on the tentacle, ask her where she got the tentacle from, laugh when she explains it's a prosthesis she got from the local joke shop, look horrified when the tentacle engulfs both of you and squeezes you tight..."
08:54:38 <_bjoern> 'k
08:55:47 <sbp> ...prosti-tots?
08:56:12 <_bjoern> .g prosti-tots
08:56:14 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117822,00.html
08:56:35 <sbp> [[[
08:56:37 <sbp> "They're called 'prostitots,'" said Anna Miressi, a Kingston, N.Y., high school freshman who claims the term is commonly used among her peers. "It's those girls at the mall with the tight jeans and belly shirts. They're in between the age group of 10 to 13 or 14."
08:56:38 <sbp> ]]]
08:56:41 <_bjoern> "A Prosti-tot is a young underage girl dressed to get laid, aka jailbait"
08:56:52 <sbp> ah
08:57:10 <sbp> it's
08:57:19 <sbp> a subclass of jailbait and skank
08:58:33 <_bjoern> .ety skittles
08:58:36 <phenny> "1634, pl. of skittle, one of the pins used in the game, probably from a Scand. source (cf. Norw. skyttel 'shuttle')." - http://etymonline.com/?term=skittles
08:59:03 *** sbp changed the topic to: "I don't care what the kidnappers of arse say at astroman headquarters"
09:00:36 <_bjoern> .gc "Linux in a web browser"
09:00:39 <phenny> "Linux in a web browser": 20,800
09:01:41 <sbp> .title http://www.foxnews.com/gossip/index.html
09:01:44 <phenny> sbp: Lips & Ears - FOXNews.com
09:03:12 <sbp> '"We are wearing clothes tonight — the clothes are definitely staying on," Halliwell and Emma "Baby Spice" Bunton said. "Everything the Spice Girls do is PG."' - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312135,00.html
09:03:45 <_bjoern> Don't stay too long on that site.
09:04:31 <_bjoern> "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of people in U.S. prisons has risen eight-fold since 1970, with little impact on crime but at great cost to taxpayers and society, researchers said in a report calling for a major justice-system overhaul." - http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1841666120071119
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09:11:06 <Monty> yo _greg_!
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09:12:57 <Monty> But what does chris2 have to do with the price of fish?
09:12:59 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
09:12:59 <Monty> Applying patch
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09:19:59 * sbp revokes Monty's patch
09:20:00 <Monty> Tapsi?
09:21:43 <_bjoern> .wik Guba
09:21:46 <phenny> "Guba a coat made of coarse knotted cloth" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guba
09:21:52 <sbp> .wik Kuba
09:21:55 <phenny> "an Indian princely state" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuba
09:22:13 <_bjoern> German for Cuba, actually.
09:22:18 <sbp> 'k
09:22:19 <_bjoern> The K one.
09:22:23 <sbp> phenny: de "Guba"?
09:22:26 <sbp> ohe
09:22:26 <phenny> sbp: "Guba" (de)
09:22:30 <sbp> phenny: de "Kuba"?
09:22:33 <phenny> sbp: "Cuba" (de)
09:22:36 <sbp> YOMON
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09:24:36 <_bjoern> "Italy's justice minister has objected to a U.S. court's refusal to extradite a convicted Mafia drug trafficker on the grounds that a special prison regime he would face in Italy is equivalent to torture." - http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1629493920071016
09:24:47 <sbp> oh man
09:25:00 <sbp> Italy waterboard? I didn't know that
09:25:01 <realist> I'm looking for the AIML bots.
09:25:07 <sbp> which AIML bots?
09:25:30 <realist> bender/pip
09:25:32 <_bjoern> "The judge was referring to a prison regime known as "41b", originally designed for mobsters and extended to crimes such as terrorism. It strictly limits contact with the outside world, visits, access to the open air and contact with other prisoners."
09:25:39 <sbp> lolpipz: SAY HIE TO REALIST PLZ
09:25:45 <lolpipz> sbp: HIE 2 REALIST PLZ.
09:26:00 <sbp> realist: there you go
09:27:41 <realist> Whois Chris Prather?
09:28:18 <sbp> perigrin
09:29:11 <sbp> lolpipz: GIVE US TEH MORE INSIGHT ON CHRIS PRATHER PLZ
09:29:12 <lolpipz> sbp: I DONT HAVE IT TO GIVE.
09:29:16 <sbp> 'K
09:29:25 <realist> sbp: thanks :-)
09:29:28 <sbp> yw
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09:35:14 <sbp> you know what's cool?
09:35:15 <sbp> zooplankton
09:35:22 <chris2> ice
09:35:31 <sbp> ice is cold not cool YOU FOOL
09:36:05 <sbp> zooplankton are way cooler than ice
09:36:07 <chris2> and chili is chilly
09:36:16 <sbp> .compare "cold as ice" "cool as ice"
09:36:19 <phenny> "cold as ice" (1,050,000), "cool as ice" (228,000)
09:38:58 <chris2> i'm not a native speaker, you know. but i speak and write english for maybe eight years now
09:39:17 <chris2> and yesterday i realized that pubic hair is written without an "l"!
09:39:25 <sbp> hehe
09:39:33 <sbp> .ety pubic
09:39:36 <phenny> "1831, from pubis 'bone of the groin' (1597), short for L. pubis os, from L. pubes (gen. pubis) 'pubic hair,' from L. pubes 'genital area, groin,' related to pubes 'full-grown' (see puberty)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=pubic
09:39:48 <sbp> the bone of the groin
09:40:23 <chris2> so i decided to make a sexblog called "national pubic radio"
09:40:50 <libby> (re pubic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicecupoftea/1471958952/)
09:43:31 <sbp> ahahaha
09:43:37 <realist> nice bots :-)
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10:43:05 <Monty> hi JibberJim
10:50:58 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "An iuno doc, iuno being an RDF Stylesheet language" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/51125
10:52:13 <sbp> it's like a subset of XSLT that can only produce RDF
10:52:29 <sbp> the nice thing is that you can merge iuno documents before running them on input
10:52:35 <sbp> try doing that with XSLT
10:52:47 <sbp> (you probably can do it with XSLT too, but not as easy I'd guess)
10:53:05 <sbp> (and how would you treat the outputs?)
10:57:36 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #51125 with "Slight Modification" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/51125#1
10:58:01 <sbp> .wik Juno
10:58:04 <phenny> "Juno (mythology), a major Roman goddess" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno
10:58:36 <sbp> "Juno was the sister and wife of the ruler of the gods, Jupiter"
11:02:34 <sbp> 'Bottom line? Python is all about "batteries included". But the XML batteries are weak.' - http://www.somebits.com/weblog/tech/python/xpath.html
11:04:23 <sbp> what I want is a module which, given a set of xpath expressions and an XML document, parses the XML document and goes BING! whenever one of the xpaths matches
11:04:38 <sbp> that would be donkeyrad
11:04:53 <sbp> DONKEYRAD I TELL YOU, YOU FUCKBALL
11:05:10 <sbp> I wonder if there's a decent parseable subset of XPath...
11:05:15 <sbp> XPath Lite PLZ
11:09:13 <sbp> heh. RDF Stylesheet Language -> RSLang
11:09:53 <sbp> it'd be nice if I could prove a Juno merge to be faster than the equivalent XSLT chain
11:12:40 <sbp> rats, a Juno merge isn't an RDF merge
11:12:48 <sbp> because of the xpath namespace bindings
11:13:17 <_bjoern> there are many xpath subsets...
11:13:25 <sbp> ooh. got docs?
11:13:26 <_bjoern> but parsing it shouldn't be hard, should it?
11:13:32 <sbp> nope, shouldn't be
11:13:39 <sbp> I think this might be a doer
11:13:51 <_bjoern> Well XML Schema has one, XSLT has one, there are streaming subsets, ...
11:14:02 <sbp> streaming subsets?
11:14:06 <sbp> gimme plz
11:14:17 <_bjoern> ".g" ur friend!!
11:14:23 <sbp> NO, U!
11:14:24 <_bjoern> .g xpath subset streaming
11:14:27 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.stylusstudio.com/xmldev/200412/post60620.html
11:15:08 <sbp> hmm, interesting
11:16:25 * sbp googles for more
11:17:59 <sbp> "XSQ [a "Streaming XPath Engine"] is implemented using Java and a SAX parser. The design is based on generating an automaton from the given XPath query. The automaton may be described briefly as an hierarchical arrangement of pushdown transducers augmented with buffers." - http://www.cs.umd.edu/projects/xsq/
11:19:47 <sbp> [[[
11:19:48 <sbp> To the best of our knowledge, our method for evaluating XPath
11:19:48 <sbp> queries over streaming data is the £rst one that handles closures,
11:19:48 <sbp> aggregations, and multiple predicates.the author A must continue to be buffered. When we encounter
11:19:48 <sbp> the two author subelements of the second book, we need to buffer
11:19:55 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.cs.umd.edu/projects/xsq/
11:20:05 <sbp> £rst is a brilliant, brilliant verb
11:20:13 <sbp> "I invented it £rst!"
11:20:36 <sbp> er, wrong link. http://www.cs.umd.edu/projects/xsq/sig03.ps
11:23:07 <sbp> [[[
11:23:08 <sbp> As noted earlier, XSQ implements all of XPath 1.0 [23] (includ-
11:23:08 <sbp> ing closures, aggregations, and multiple predicates) except reverse
11:23:08 <sbp> axes (such as preceding-sibling) and position functions (such
11:23:08 <sbp> as pos() and last()). For the rest of this paper, we will focus on
11:23:09 <sbp> the core subset of XPath described by the grammar shown in Figure 3.
11:23:11 <sbp> ]]] - ibid.
11:23:50 <sbp> Figure 3. is a bit *too* subsetty though, perhaps
11:24:15 <sbp> hmm. maybe not
11:28:37 <sbp> (thx ô _bjoern)
11:33:11 <_bjoern> < 冗 > L33T
11:42:31 <MoiraA> anybody want me? noticed the highlight but I've gone way back and can't find it - was probably just monty after a disconnect anyway
11:42:32 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
11:42:57 <sbp> hehe
11:43:19 <MoiraA> I knew I'd set him off!
11:43:20 <sbp> I can't recall you being mentioned recently
11:43:30 <sbp> w'up?
11:43:45 <realist> You should probably set your /away, and log highlights ;-)
11:44:09 <MoiraA> I could certainly set away, that makes sense
11:44:15 <sbp> that would obviate all the fun of asking though!
11:44:26 <MoiraA> it'll be logged somewhere, but I don't fancy scrolling through all the logs
11:44:38 <MoiraA> people can always /query
11:44:50 <sbp> don't worry, MoiraA, realist is always obviating the fun of asking
11:44:53 <sbp> it's what he does
11:45:06 <MoiraA> I don't need an excuse to talk realist :)
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11:45:21 <sbp> yeah realist. pfft
11:45:35 <MoiraA> <-- one of the more garrulous members of the channel
11:45:41 <MoiraA> and I've no doubt spelt that wrong
11:45:47 <sbp> nope, that's right I think
11:46:13 <MoiraA> cool - I can usually spell things, that was rammed into us at school
11:46:27 <sbp> spelling was rammed into me at school too
11:46:31 <sbp> but I can't spell, so...
11:46:38 <MoiraA> learn 10 words every Friday night, and the boys got the strap if they didn't get 100% on the Monday
11:46:47 <sbp> we should just write in Early Modern English
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11:46:49 <realist> scroll logs? as opposed to greping them?
11:46:58 <realist> excuses, excuses
11:47:01 <sbp> you fun-of-asking obviator
11:47:09 <MoiraA> I'm using windows realist
11:47:11 <sbp> the boys got the strap?!
11:47:16 <MoiraA> I'd search them for my name
11:47:19 <sbp> man, we are going back a bit
11:47:24 <MoiraA> but even then that would take time
11:47:26 <realist> MoiraA: I pity the fool ;-)
11:47:30 <MoiraA> we certainly are!
11:47:42 <sbp> realist: we're keeping Cygwin a secret from her
11:47:48 <MoiraA> I can see why tbh - with vista anyway
11:48:15 <MoiraA> my system volume information hidden folder (which stores the many restore points I have) = 0 bytes
11:48:25 <realist> sbp: there's also Unix Services for Windows(tm)
11:48:35 <sbp> .g Unix Services for Windows
11:48:38 <phenny> sbp: http://technet.microsoft.com/interopmigration/bb380242.aspx
11:48:51 <MoiraA> anyway realist you could have versioned me and seen I'm using mirc
11:48:56 <realist> I like these bots :-)
11:49:10 <realist> MoiraA: uninvited ctcp == rude
11:49:11 <MoiraA> yeah, they do what they're meant to
11:49:26 <MoiraA> I know, but it doesn't stop some people!
11:49:31 <realist> sbp: .g == feeling lucky?
11:49:36 <MoiraA> I set +T where I can
11:49:43 <MoiraA> not every server supports it
11:49:44 <sbp> alright, I'm only reading this because I don't wanna implement streaming XPath evaluation
11:49:51 <sbp> but! I can just ignore the streaming bit for a prototype
11:49:54 <sbp> realist: yeah
11:49:57 <sbp> see also: .gc
11:49:58 <realist> MoiraA: I'm not aware of that mode :-)
11:49:59 <sbp> .gc test
11:50:01 <sbp> googlecount
11:50:02 <phenny> test: 630,000,000
11:50:11 <MoiraA> it means blocks ctcp
11:50:31 <sbp> an uninvited CTCP is rude?
11:50:34 <sbp> in what country?
11:50:36 <realist> MoiraA: I figured that, sounds not RFC compatible
11:50:40 <MoiraA> so if you "pretend" to ignore someone and don't they can't find you out for instance
11:50:58 <MoiraA> I never do that, but I've seen others who do
11:51:00 <sbp> what about uninvited privmsg?
11:51:07 <sbp> it bugs me when people ask if they can privmsg me
11:51:10 <sbp> JUST DO IT OMG
11:51:10 <realist> sbp: even worse ;-)
11:51:25 <sbp> if people ask in future I should say "no, because you're ridiculous"
11:51:29 <MoiraA> I figure if again, you cba to set mode +R
11:51:34 <sbp> if I didn't want privmsgs from people I wouldn't be on IRC
11:51:44 <sbp> I would be writing snail mail letters
11:51:55 <sbp> and telling my postman to burn messages from people I don't know
11:51:56 <MoiraA> then you get messages from any unregistered member and I agree sbp
11:52:07 <MoiraA> you can ignore privmsg
11:52:19 <sbp> it's not like you have to pay for incoming bytes (anymore)
11:52:20 <MoiraA> close your irc client even
11:52:24 <MoiraA> become a hermit
11:52:27 <sbp> exactly. so many things
11:52:41 <sbp> Freenode even has the unregistered member block as you note
11:52:47 <sbp> and I even have that turned of
11:52:48 <realist> I must update my ICR-fu
11:52:49 <sbp> ...f
11:52:58 <MoiraA> at least prvmsg means someone *wants* you
11:53:00 <realist> Freenode has many interesting 'new' modes
11:53:22 <MoiraA> if you think this server is bad try the new qnet bot Q
11:53:24 <sbp> MoiraA: hehe. dpawson has this privmsg auto reply thing which always freaks me out
11:53:39 <sbp> it says something like "hello. if you're just saying "hey, u there" don't expect an answer. tell me what you want"
11:53:42 <MoiraA> I've got a custom ctcp reply
11:53:45 <realist> I used to greylist privmsg, before modes like +R
11:53:51 <sbp> I should set one up that says "DO YOU WANT ME, BABY?! OH YEAH"
11:54:00 <MoiraA> oh, mine isn't that cool
11:54:08 <sbp> only then DanC or timbl or someone would privmsg me and I'd be all "eep"
11:54:15 <MoiraA> let me see where I've got it in scripts
11:54:48 <realist> sbp: I want to auto-reply using an AIML bot, when I'm away :-)
11:54:55 <MoiraA> oh yes, as I thought
11:54:56 <MoiraA> lame
11:55:01 <sbp> aha, hence the interest in pip
11:55:07 <MoiraA> "ctcp 1:ping:/notice $nick ping? pang! You missed!!"
11:55:14 <realist> sbp: bingo!
11:55:20 <sbp> lolpipz: WHAT WOULD U SAY IF I WER PRIVMSGING REALIST RIGHT NOW
11:55:23 <lolpipz> sbp: AT THIZ MOMENT ITZ NOT PROFITABLE T SPEKK IN HYPUDDETICAL TERMZ.
11:55:41 <sbp> he's right you know
11:55:55 <realist> pip is what brought me to this channel
11:56:04 <sbp> pip is dead now
11:56:16 <sbp> lolpipz killed him with l33t and ate its carcass
11:56:17 <lolpipz> sbp: AR TEH THAT UR FINAL ANSWR?
11:56:20 <sbp> YES
11:56:52 <realist> I think I'll stick around for a while
11:57:02 <sbp> sucker
11:57:23 <realist> Only time will tell.
11:57:23 <sbp> .seen perigrim
11:57:25 <sbp> argh
11:57:26 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen perigrim around.
11:57:29 <sbp> .seen perigrin
11:57:32 <phenny> sbp: I last saw perigrin at 2007-11-19 06:09:00 UTC on #swhack
11:57:34 <sbp> seen perigrin
11:57:35 <Monty> perigrin (n=perigrin) was last seen by #swhack coming from c-24-118-172-252.hsd1.mn.comcast.net on Mon Nov 19 12:41:38 GMT 2007 when joining the channel.
11:57:53 <sbp> .t CST
11:57:56 <phenny> Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:38:44 CST
11:58:03 <sbp> is beink quite early for him
11:58:20 <sbp> he's usually up really freaking late too
11:58:28 <MoiraA> I'm just remembering what brought me to this channel
11:58:32 <sbp> so I wouldn't expect him round for many hours
11:58:43 <sbp> MoiraA: <3?
11:59:01 <realist> .t AEST
11:59:02 <MoiraA> err, what?
11:59:03 <phenny> Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:39:51 AEST
11:59:16 <sbp> MoiraA: <3 is an ascii heart, normally used as a synonym for "love"
11:59:31 <sbp> .unicode white heart
11:59:32 <realist> That's not right
11:59:33 <MoiraA> ahh I'll remember that :)
11:59:35 <phenny> U+2661 WHITE HEART SUIT (♡)
11:59:40 <sbp> realist: what should it be?
11:59:57 <sbp> "♡" :asciiism "<3" .
12:00:00 <realist> 23:41
12:00:06 <sbp> .wik AEST
12:00:09 <phenny> "Standard time was introduced into Australia in the 1890's when all the then colonies adopted standard times." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEST
12:00:11 <MoiraA> actually it was that idiot on our yahoo group - I make a channel on freenode for us and she somehow came in here
12:00:20 <MoiraA> *made
12:00:31 <sbp> "Eastern Standard Time (AEST) - UTC+10 hours"
12:00:35 <sbp> .t +10
12:00:38 <phenny> Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:41:27 +10
12:00:39 <tobbez> .weather essl
12:00:42 <sbp> weird
12:00:43 <sbp> fixing
12:00:46 <phenny> Overcast ☁, 2℃, 1021mb, Mist, Light air 3kt (↑) - ESSL, 13:20, 1220Z
12:01:08 <realist> AEST currently DST
12:01:17 <MoiraA> you banned her and all of aol too - so I had to google a cgi login to try and get back in here and explain I wasn't anything like her
12:01:20 <realist> UTC+1100
12:01:21 <sbp> AEDT then
12:01:36 * realist nods
12:01:42 <sbp> MoiraA: oh yeah, I remember that. that was quite funny
12:01:47 <realist> phenny an eggdrop?
12:01:53 <sbp> no, it's a phenny
12:01:55 <sbp> .g phenny
12:01:58 <phenny> sbp: http://inamidst.com/phenny/
12:02:07 <MoiraA> this is partly why I use tor
12:02:38 <MoiraA> realist: I had an eggdrop for quite some time, can't remember its name now
12:02:39 <sbp> phenny: reload timing
12:02:42 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.timing' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/timing.py'> (version: 2007-11-20 12:43:23)
12:02:43 <sbp> .t AEST
12:02:46 <phenny> Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:43:34 AEST
12:02:47 <sbp> .t AEDT
12:02:50 <phenny> Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:43:38 AEDT
12:02:52 <sbp> how's that?
12:03:06 <MoiraA> began with an A - brought it in here and it achieved something I've never done, it got voiced :)
12:03:15 <sbp> an A?
12:03:23 <sbp> oh, the letter
12:03:30 <realist> phenny: very good, although seems a few seconds off
12:03:37 <sbp> .t
12:03:38 <sbp> .tock
12:03:38 <realist> s/phenny/spb/
12:03:44 <phenny> Tue Nov 20 12:44:32 GMT 2007
12:03:45 <MoiraA> yeah, Asis or Ajax or something
12:03:46 <phenny> "Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:44:34 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
12:03:47 <sbp> please, call me sbp
12:03:56 <sbp> it's to within two seconds at least
12:04:19 <sbp> and I define two < few
12:04:30 <realist> True
12:04:35 <sbp> ∴ I define you as WRONGI
12:04:39 <realist> It was 2-3s
12:05:05 <realist> I define 3+ a few
12:05:05 <sbp> I blame NTP not playing well with modern variable CPU speeds
12:05:19 <sbp> yeah, I define it as 3 -> some quasi limit
12:05:27 <sbp> because clearly a billion is more than a few
12:05:35 <realist> Sounds reasonable explaination
12:05:45 <sbp> possibly there is some few/several overlap
12:05:49 <sbp> .ety several
12:05:58 <phenny> "1422, 'existing apart,' from Anglo-Fr. several, from M.Fr. seperalis 'separate,' from L. separe (ablative of *separ 'distinct'), back formation from separare 'to separate' (see separate)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=several
12:05:59 <realist> Perhaps they should have a not variable RTC?
12:06:07 <sbp> interesting. nothing to do with "seven"
12:06:11 <MoiraA> let me try this
12:06:15 <MoiraA> .unicode white heart
12:06:18 <phenny> U+2661 WHITE HEART SUIT (♡)
12:06:44 <MoiraA> but how do you actually type that?
12:06:52 <MoiraA> e
12:07:00 <sbp> realist: well if NTP could somehow be fixed to cope with variable speeds then that'd probably be the better option, but I wonder if there's anywhere near an optimal patch for that
12:07:04 <MoiraA> grrr
12:07:11 <sbp> type it? ♡
12:07:17 <sbp> on Windows it'd be something like...
12:07:21 <sbp> .eval 0x2661
12:07:21 <MoiraA> yeah that
12:07:23 <phenny> 9825
12:07:26 <sbp> Alt+9825
12:07:34 <sbp> or Alt Gr, or whatever. iuno
12:07:57 <realist> who wrote phenny?
12:07:57 <MoiraA> no, isn't going to work on mirc
12:08:03 <sbp> realist: I did
12:08:21 <sbp> ♡ <- Alt+2661 for me in Unicode Input Mode on OS X
12:08:53 <sbp> hex wins binary, for unicode entry
12:08:55 <MoiraA> e
12:09:01 <MoiraA> hah
12:09:08 <MoiraA> you using OSX sbp?
12:09:11 <sbp> yup
12:09:21 <MoiraA> like it?
12:09:24 <sbp> yup
12:09:31 <MoiraA> my dad's just ordered the new imac
12:09:35 <sbp> cool
12:09:51 <MoiraA> I spent saturday researching bits about it for him
12:09:55 <sbp> hehe
12:10:05 <MoiraA> and how to erase his data on his current drive
12:10:15 <sbp> chuck it in a fire. easiest way
12:11:14 <MoiraA> he's giving the system to someone
12:11:33 <MoiraA> I know vista overwrites completely with 0's
12:11:38 <sbp> pre-loved
12:11:49 <MoiraA> I was thinking I could part install vista, then after the format, quit
12:12:08 <MoiraA> or there's some other boot software that would do it
12:12:18 <sbp> pre-loved doesn't make any sense as a synonym for second hand, when you think about it
12:12:28 <sbp> because it implies that the previous owner or owners never loved it
12:12:35 <sbp> which is often false
12:12:37 <MoiraA> failing that I'd have to put it in here a slave
12:12:44 <MoiraA> is that not usually the case?
12:13:02 <sbp> not usually perhaps, otherwise they wouldn't be giving it away
12:13:15 <sbp> you don't give away things you love *that* much
12:13:21 <sbp> so that skims the top of the loved curve off
12:13:24 <MoiraA> but dad's pc is around 2 years old
12:13:35 <sbp> yeah, it doesn't apply for things that go obsolete
12:13:43 <MoiraA> pentium 4, with hyperthreading so not totally useless, and 160GB hard drive
12:13:48 <sbp> food, for example
12:14:00 <sbp> except for biscuits kept in airtight boxes and some kinds of honey
12:14:13 <MoiraA> food you can love but have to give up because it goes off
12:14:18 <sbp> except for biscuits kept in airtight boxes and some kinds of honey!
12:14:28 <MoiraA> that's pre-loved
12:14:34 <MoiraA> true
12:14:34 <sbp> and it doesn't go off
12:15:02 <sbp> I wonder what dingo meat tastes like?
12:15:08 <sbp> bet that goes off pretty quickly
12:15:23 <MoiraA> or something can be pre-loved and then loved no more, like a husband
12:15:36 <MoiraA> well, dingos are dogs, aren't they?
12:15:46 <sbp> bleedin' husbands
12:15:57 <sbp> I don't know actually. related at least, I'd've thought
12:16:00 <sbp> .wik Dingo
12:16:03 <phenny> "The dingo (plural dingoes or dingos) or warrigal, Canis lupus dingo, is a type of wild dog, probably descended from the Indian Wolf (Canis Indica). [2]| It is commonly described as an Australian wild dog, but is not restricted to Australia, nor did it originate there." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo
12:16:10 <MoiraA> explorers who ate their dogs - Amundsen for instance - said they enjoyed "dog cutlets"
12:16:17 <sbp> Wikipedia says: YUP
12:16:24 <sbp> did you see that thing on Mawson the other night?
12:16:32 <MoiraA> yes
12:16:32 <sbp> one of his dogs tasted pretty bad apparently
12:16:38 <sbp> good wunnit?
12:16:39 <realist> I've had dingos as pets :-)
12:16:42 <MoiraA> true
12:16:49 <sbp> Mawson's always been my favourite Antarctic explorer
12:16:50 <MoiraA> excellent
12:16:57 <sbp> realist: cool. what did you name them?
12:17:03 <MoiraA> but why on earth those two idiots wanted to follow in his footsteps
12:17:16 <sbp> well to prove he didn't have to resort to cannibalism for one
12:17:20 <realist> sbp: dingo
12:17:33 <sbp> dingo. you named all your pet dingos... dingo
12:17:35 <MoiraA> I read a good book written by Wally Herbert's wife in the 60's
12:17:44 <realist> sbp: yup.
12:17:45 <sbp> not exceptionally high in the creativity stakes there
12:17:58 <MoiraA> yes but sbp that was the excuse, the justification, not the reason
12:18:03 <sbp> how did they tell one another apart? didn't they go through identity crises?
12:18:09 <sbp> do dingos have identity crises?
12:18:10 <realist> I'm not particularly sentimental.
12:18:20 <sbp> but are the dingos?
12:18:26 <realist> I didn't have them both at the same period of time
12:18:39 <realist> Just looked after them for a while
12:18:43 <sbp> MoiraA: I dunno, I thought it sounded pre-meditated as a reason
12:18:55 <MoiraA> yes
12:18:58 <sbp> he was talking about it during the walk, so he was probably thinking about it before
12:19:08 <sbp> realist: ah, I see
12:19:22 <MoiraA> I mean, it isn't *that* important whether he resorted to cannabilism
12:19:32 <sbp> if I had two dingos I would call them Cog and Sprocket
12:19:51 <sbp> MoiraA: people get pretty uppity about cannibalism
12:19:53 <MoiraA> everyone knows that plane load of equadorian rugby players did, in the 70s when their plane came down in the Andes
12:20:02 <sbp> yeah...
12:20:15 <MoiraA> if it means survival though ...
12:20:21 <MoiraA> I wonder if I could do it
12:20:27 <sbp> we should do a survey!
12:20:36 * MoiraA eyes sbp up
12:20:39 <sbp> ask lots of random people if they think cannibalism is worse than rape or not
12:20:48 * MoiraA gets out knife and fork
12:20:58 <sbp> I'll bet a statistically significant amount of people say yes
12:21:03 <sbp> hey now, I'm ropey
12:21:10 <MoiraA> it's only bad when it's not necessary
12:21:35 <sbp> well we wouldn't qualify it in the questionnaire
12:22:02 <realist> Depends if you commit murder to necessitate the cannibalism, really.
12:22:09 <sbp> otherwise the results might have meaning, so it wouldn't be a very traditional survey
12:22:12 <MoiraA> that too
12:22:35 <MoiraA> I just read someone else's account of the Andes tragedy and I couldn't blame a single one of them
12:22:37 <sbp> well then the question would be whether murder is worse than rape
12:22:55 <sbp> I think probably every legal system in the world gives a harsher punishment for murder than rape
12:23:10 <realist> They're fairly equivalent.
12:23:35 <realist> Except with the possibility of capital punishment for murder.
12:23:47 <realist> Which we haven't had here for many years.
12:23:58 <realist> Where are you two located?
12:24:03 <sbp> where are you?
12:24:12 <sbp> Ecuador?
12:24:21 <sbp> places where they have dingos and Australian time zones... hmm
12:24:29 <procto> sbp: consensual cannibalism?
12:24:31 <sbp> somewhere in South America, 'sgottabe
12:24:37 <sbp> realist: we're both in the UK
12:24:38 <procto> rape is always nonconsesual
12:24:41 <sbp> procto: where are you
12:24:50 <procto> cannibalism can de consensual
12:24:57 <MoiraA> UK realist
12:24:59 <procto> sbp: uh, boston?
12:25:09 <sbp> murder can be consensual too, in Germany
12:25:20 <realist> Statutory rape can be consensual.
12:25:22 <sbp> realist: procto is in Boston. be careful
12:25:27 <MoiraA> in fact there are still two laws on the statute that can theoretically be punished by death
12:25:45 <realist> Depending on your definition of consent.
12:25:53 <procto> hahaha
12:25:58 <MoiraA> treason is one
12:26:10 <MoiraA> forgotten the other
12:26:14 <sbp> high treason, not treason
12:26:18 <procto> realist: statutory rape is only called rape so juries will be more horrified
12:26:18 <realist> Seriously, there is a 'legal age' of consent.
12:26:28 <MoiraA> it would never happen but in theory they still have the option of capital punishment
12:26:37 <MoiraA> well, high treason then :)
12:26:43 <realist> Not that any one individual matures at a different rate.
12:26:49 <realist> </sarcasm>
12:27:00 <MoiraA> but you have to draw the line somewhere realist
12:27:09 <procto> it's just one of a set of "no fun for you until you're paying taxes" laws
12:27:21 <MoiraA> look at some men in their thirties who've never grown up
12:27:23 <sbp> "It could be regarded an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British king or queen's image upside-down" - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7081038.stm
12:27:28 <procto> you know, drinking, driving, etc laws
12:27:30 <MoiraA> gazza for instance
12:27:45 <MoiraA> good grief sbp!
12:27:49 <realist> sbp: for which the maximum penalty is death?
12:27:59 <procto> only high treason
12:28:03 <sbp> realist: no, that's the maxi... right
12:28:08 <sbp> high treason meaning regicide
12:28:15 <procto> this is just regular kind
12:28:24 <procto> your good ol everyday treason
12:28:25 <sbp> pussy treason
12:28:50 <procto> the kind you commit when you say hi to your neighbor who actually works for the kgb or something
12:28:57 <sbp> hehe
12:29:06 <sbp> (the KGB is gone... let it go...)
12:29:12 <procto> I mean, fsb
12:29:20 <MoiraA> haha that page is great
12:29:25 <MoiraA> The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the King, and the tail of the Queen (3.5%)
12:29:28 <procto> sbp: why should I let it go if THEY haven't?
12:29:41 <sbp> MoiraA: ahaha, yeah, I loved that one
12:29:44 <sbp> procto: hehe
12:29:50 <sbp> I hope it's from William and Mary's reign
12:29:55 <procto> only one grandparent of mine was stck in a gulag
12:30:06 <MoiraA> like who would want a dead whale??
12:30:11 <procto> but still
12:30:37 <realist> Whale meat is a delicacy right?
12:30:48 <procto> i want whale ice cream
12:30:56 <procto> oh those japanese!
12:30:57 <MoiraA> right, I'm going to answer a few emails and then wash my hair - takes some doing in plaster
12:31:05 <MoiraA> dead whales are usually stinking procto
12:31:07 <procto> also: horse ice cream
12:31:10 <sbp> <Monarchs> WERE ON UR BEACHES, REQUISITIONING UR HUGE DEAD SEA CREAUTRS
12:31:25 <MoiraA> biab
12:31:26 <procto> I wonder if whales taste like really fishy beef
12:31:33 <sbp> hehe
12:31:40 <procto> Manatees are supposed to taste really good
12:32:01 <procto> so good they killed the big kind before anyone could establish farms
12:32:14 <sbp> IPU droppings are the bomb
12:32:22 <sbp> (highly explosive, but tasty)
12:32:24 <procto> I wonder if they're more efficient to farm than cows
12:32:52 <sbp> I'd guess that almost anything large and seabound is harder to farm than cows
12:32:55 <sbp> not sure about efficient though
12:33:06 <procto> why harder?
12:33:09 <sbp> hardness vs. efficiency... hmm
12:33:16 <sbp> because harvesting them means you get wet
12:33:21 <procto> it's like farming fish
12:33:30 <procto> you ju-t harpoon and winch
12:33:31 <sbp> giant nets are harder to deploy than fences
12:33:37 <sbp> with a cow you just shoot it
12:34:07 <procto> you can build a big crane and make into a game like those Claw machines
12:34:09 <sbp> fish farming seems efficient only because fish are so small
12:34:13 <sbp> ehheh
12:34:23 <sbp> all the fun of the farm
12:34:24 <procto> "Win a manatee!"
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12:34:53 <procto> all the frustration of being 12 and wasting lots of money to get worthless prizes?
12:35:00 <sbp> yes...
12:35:18 <sbp> in front of your girlfriend who ditches you just because you suck at the Claw box
12:35:26 <procto> hehe
12:35:29 <sbp> (fuck you, Gemma)
12:36:48 <sbp> "and the prohibition of driving cattle through the streets of London (Metropolitan Streets Act 1867)" - I wonder if manatees count?
12:37:10 <procto> boston laws are a treasure trove
12:37:16 <sbp> oh? what kind of stuff?
12:37:27 <procto> being a bonston resident, you are allowed to graze a cow on the common
12:37:30 <sbp> "You must tip tea into the harbor every flag day."
12:37:32 <procto> boston*
12:37:33 <procto> but
12:37:40 <sbp> no common?
12:37:45 <procto> you're not allowed to have a cow, any longer
12:37:49 <sbp> hehe
12:38:03 <sbp> you want like one of those invisible dog leashes
12:38:08 <sbp> only a cow leash of course
12:38:54 <procto> a combell hanging in the air
12:38:59 <procto> cowbell*
12:39:04 <sbp> .g levitating cowbell
12:39:07 <phenny> sbp: http://www.whitecowbell.com/bandnew.htm
12:39:30 <sbp> "INSTRUMENT: Lead Vocal, Systematic Defiling of Background Singers"
12:39:53 <procto> today I'll wear.....
12:39:58 <sbp> "NAME: THE COUSIN WHO HATH NO NAME / RAP SHEET: Drivin' without a Name, Involuntary Sleeping"
12:40:01 <procto> my linguistics department shirt!
12:40:05 <sbp> ooh
12:40:12 <procto> it says all your trace are belong to us on the front
12:40:22 <sbp> Geekfactor 9
12:41:06 <procto> on the back is a brandeis logo modified to have the motto (truth. even unto its innermost parts) replaced with linguistics. for creat justice
12:41:15 <procto> logo/seal
12:41:34 <procto> great*
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12:43:19 <procto> alright, time to go eat breakfast
12:44:45 <sbp> enjoy
12:45:41 <sbp> ooh, I just worked out how to make a Juno merge be an RDF merge
12:45:52 <sbp> make an object of namespace bindings
12:45:57 <sbp> then attach it to each rule
12:46:09 <sbp> not entirely optimal, but not too bad either
12:46:23 <sbp> oh! especially since I can declare a builtin set of bindings!
12:46:27 <realist> No idea what you're talking about sbp
12:46:42 <sbp> realist: Juno is a transformation language that I'm working on
12:46:59 <sbp> it's like XSLT in that it takes XML input documents and uses XPath expressions to select bits of them
12:47:02 <MoiraA> Just reading the sophos news
12:47:08 <sbp> but the output is RDF; and Juno itself is an RDF language
12:47:22 <MoiraA> I can't understand how someone can be prosecuted for stealing virtual furniture!
12:47:31 <realist> I take it you're a software developer then?
12:47:48 <realist> MoiraA: that was an amusing read.
12:47:55 <MoiraA> A seventeen-year-old
12:47:56 <MoiraA> Dutch teenager has been arrested for stealing almost $6000 worth of
12:47:57 <MoiraA> virtual furniture from users of the online game.
12:48:12 <MoiraA> has the world gone crazy?
12:48:36 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #51125 with "Now With Default Bindings!" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/51125#2
12:48:42 <sbp> something like that
12:48:57 <sbp> a software developer... well I develop software, so I guess so
12:49:08 <sbp> I wouldn't characterise that as my primary occupation though
12:49:39 <sbp> virtual stealing: awesome
12:50:51 <sbp> hmm, maybe I should make this some class attachment thing
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12:51:10 <sbp> so ?x a Rule would imply ?x bindings default
12:51:22 <sbp> but then, what to call Rules where you want custom bindings...
12:52:12 <_bjoern> phenny!
12:52:14 <phenny> _bjoern!
12:52:29 <sbp> _bjoern!
12:52:42 <phenny> sbp!
12:52:49 <sbp> Monty!
12:52:52 <Monty> I reckon rash + Alfred Hitchcock = lovesick images :P
12:53:06 <_bjoern> You are this bored, eh? :-)
12:53:11 <sbp> procrastinating
12:56:39 <cre8radix> sbp!
12:56:43 <sbp> hmm
12:56:44 <sbp> [ opt "head//*[rel='env']"; xmlns XHTML;
12:56:44 <sbp> yields [ subj input; t:env [ uri "@href" ] ]
12:56:44 <sbp> ] .
12:56:47 <sbp> cre8radix!
12:57:47 <sbp> .thesaurus default
12:57:50 <phenny> default synonyms: absence, blemish, blunder, dearth, defect, deficiency, delinquency, dereliction, disregard, error, fault, imperfection, inadequacy, insufficiency, lack, lapse, miss, neglect, nonpayment, offense,
12:57:53 * cre8radix has been working
12:57:54 <phenny> default synonyms: omission, overlooking, oversight, privation, shortcoming, slight, transgression, vice, want, weakness, wrongdoing
12:58:11 <cre8radix> will get the show done later tonight
12:58:18 <cre8radix> [:)
12:58:27 <cre8radix> thelsdj: howzit?
12:58:51 <realist> "howzit", haven't heard that since my trip to .za
12:59:24 <sbp> 'k
12:59:36 <sbp> thelsdj is in the process of moving
12:59:40 <sbp> haven't seen him around for a bit
13:00:32 <sbp> [ opt "head//*[rel='env']"; xmlns usual;
13:00:32 <sbp> yields [ subj input; t:env [ uri "@href" ] ]
13:00:32 <sbp> ] .
13:00:34 <sbp> how about that?
13:00:40 <sbp> all of you ZERO people who care
13:02:03 <sbp> _bjoern: question. xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml", XPath expression head/@profile. does that return on <head profile="..."> in XHTML? presumably yes. does it return on <h:head h:profile="...">? presumably yes?
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13:04:25 * cre8radix|off cares
13:04:37 <cre8radix|off> for SBP - scriptz
13:04:38 <sbp> xmlns usual okay for you?
13:04:53 <sbp> we need d8uv
13:04:54 * cre8radix|off runs off to catch a train
13:04:58 <sbp> he's almost MIA now
13:04:58 <cre8radix|off> yaaaaaa
13:05:00 <cre8radix|off> d8uv
13:05:06 <cre8radix|off> AWOL
13:05:17 <sbp> phenny: tell d8uv wanna write a new script?
13:05:20 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when d8uv is around.
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13:08:29 <_bjoern> sbp: answer. Well, reading question now...
13:08:59 <_bjoern> name tests with no prefix refer to the null namespace always
13:09:07 <sbp> basically, does non-namespaced attributes match both non-namespaced and... aha
13:09:07 <_bjoern> so in xhtml, /html does nothing
13:09:16 <sbp> interesting
13:09:21 <sbp> thanks!
13:09:49 * sbp modifies the example accordingly
13:11:22 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #51125 with "With Corrected XPath Expressions, and now using usual instead of default" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/51125#3
13:11:45 <sbp> so now a Juno merge is an RDF merge, as I'd intended
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13:12:49 <realist> Did you know that England has played in two tests one one day?
13:14:23 <sbp> I did not, no
13:14:36 <sbp> JibberJim probably did
13:14:45 <sbp> haven't been following the cricket
13:14:58 <sbp> mainly following rugby, where we seem to be assured of beating you
13:16:32 * realist laughs
13:16:39 <sbp> :-)
13:16:55 <realist> Wilkinson!
13:17:14 <sbp> where Wilkinson seems to be assured of beating you. that's what I said. ahem
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13:31:13 <sr> ahah. I receiveid a letter from the Domain Registry of America - they want me to give them 26€ to renew atonie.org for one year
13:31:36 <sr> go fuck yourself, DROA
13:31:48 <sbp> ah, domain renew spam
13:31:52 <sr> is it legal?
13:31:56 <sbp> no, it's spam
13:32:25 <realist> Are they your registrar?
13:32:31 <sr> it's not an email sbp. it's a sheet of paper I can touch with me fingers
13:32:34 <sbp> they're not, no. they're spammers
13:32:39 <sr> realist, definitely not
13:32:44 <sbp> it's still spam. it's basically phishing, in fact
13:32:54 <realist> Sounds like unsolicited mail.
13:32:59 <sbp> they try to con people into thinking that this is their regular re-registration request
13:33:03 <sbp> it's a well known scam
13:33:49 <realist> If you're clever enough to register a domain... you'd be clever to avoid such scams, one would hope.
13:34:19 <sbp> doubtful
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13:34:35 <sbp> domain name registrars make the process pretty easy these days
13:34:40 <sbp> godaddy and the like
13:34:50 <sbp> cf. nodaddy on that account
13:34:59 <realist> Lets not go there.
13:35:28 <sbp> indeed
13:35:40 <realist> I've registered a few domains with them in the past, very painful experience.
13:35:53 <sbp> oh dear
13:35:55 <sr> plus the letter is realy friendly "ooh you're about to loose your web identity - but don't panic, we'll save you!"
13:35:58 <realist> Needless to say, I transferred them away later.
13:36:18 <sbp> hence the cf. nodaddy though
13:36:24 <sbp> .g nodaddy
13:36:27 <phenny> sbp: http://nodaddy.com/
13:36:35 <sbp> .title http://nodaddy.com/
13:36:38 <phenny> sbp: NoDaddy.Com - Exposing the Many Reasons Not to Trust GoDaddy with Your Domain Names
13:38:42 <MoiraA> back
13:38:46 <MoiraA> hate washing my hair
13:39:14 <MoiraA> these bots are impressive - what are they searching when you query them?
13:40:18 <MoiraA> and sr, I've had spam like that too
13:40:43 <sbp> MoiraA: Google
13:40:58 <sbp> for the g* commands, anyway
13:41:07 <MoiraA> amazing just how much info is out there
13:41:11 <sbp> whereas .wik queries Wikipedia, .weather queries NOAA, and so on
13:41:21 <MoiraA> I see
13:41:25 <KragenSitaker> MoiraA: the .title thing just fetches the web page and reports its title
13:41:30 <MoiraA> impressive
13:41:34 <KragenSitaker> so the only thing it's searching is DNS
13:41:40 <realist> I heard about the Fydoor incident, didn't know there was a site dedicated to it though
13:41:42 <KragenSitaker> MoiraA: do you have very long hair?
13:41:50 <sbp> and the webpage for //h:title/text()
13:41:51 <MoiraA> even more impressive to know you *made* them, rather than downloading an eggdrop
13:42:09 <KragenSitaker> phenny is a pretty nice bot, yes
13:42:11 <MoiraA> it is long, but it's more with being in plaster, I can't get just stand in a shower
13:42:39 <sbp> aha. can't you do it over a sink?
13:42:47 <realist> sbp: why did you decide to write the bot from scatch? as oppossed to writing eggdrop tcl?
13:43:08 <sbp> realist: because then I could use my favourite scripting language
13:43:18 <sbp> also it was actually intended to replace a previous Python bot, which it did
13:43:22 <MoiraA> well, my husband helps - I lean over the bath and he wets my hair with the shower, but its not a pleasant proces
13:43:26 <sbp> so I took some functionality from its predecessor
13:43:42 <realist> is the source published?
13:43:46 <sbp> but that's not really a reason, given the smattering
13:43:53 <sbp> yes, it's linked to from the webpage I showed you earlier
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13:44:04 <realist> thanks
13:44:08 <MoiraA> the trouble is, no decent bots are made for windows
13:44:09 <sbp> specifically browsable at http://inamidst.com/list/phenny/
13:44:14 <sbp> phenny runs on windows
13:44:15 <realist> I suppose it's time for me to get some sleep :-)
13:44:19 <sbp> c'ya realist!
13:44:30 <realist> 'till next time :-)
13:45:08 <MoiraA> cya realist
13:45:17 <sbp> MoiraA: better than being bald at least, I'd guess
13:45:25 <sbp> cold head all the time
13:45:37 <sbp> also as someone pointed out, you don't want all that hair in your head
13:45:41 <sbp> much better to have it on the outside
13:46:03 <MoiraA> probably wouldn't make much difference to me :)
13:46:23 <MoiraA> I'm going to get it highlighted and cut before we go to new zealand
13:46:46 <sbp> cool
13:46:53 <MoiraA> that bot - does it work on your imac?
13:47:06 <sbp> I'm using a MacBook, but yeah; works on both
13:47:18 <MoiraA> Isis - that was the name of mine, but I had to rely on someone else to host it
13:47:24 <sbp> ah! I remember
13:47:33 <sbp> yeah, phenny is hosted on crschmidt's server
13:47:36 <sbp> which runs Debian Linux
13:47:45 <MoiraA> yes, it came in here and you voiced it, and it set +t
13:48:02 <sbp> it can't set +t if it's just voiced, I think
13:48:10 <sbp> perhaps we had a different permissions set back then
13:48:18 <MoiraA> I had it on someones' shell, so I had to log into that, then the bot etc if I wanted to control it
13:48:22 <sbp> perhaps that's why we no longer have that permissions set... :-)
13:48:23 <_bjoern> Ah I take it LEIRIs have entered the crude world of Resource Locator Acronyms.
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13:48:35 <sbp> LE-?
13:48:45 <_bjoern> Legacy Extended I think...
13:48:56 <sbp> sigh... what's that mean then?
13:48:57 <MoiraA> maybe you did, I definitely remember it setting +t (perhaps you opped it?)
13:49:42 <sbp> are RDF URIs LEIRIs?
13:50:01 <sbp> mebbe
13:50:12 * _bjoern no wants know
13:50:17 <sbp> hehe
13:50:42 <sbp> I was gonna make a RURIR class for Trio
13:50:50 <sbp> then I thought better of it, even though URIReference is a misnomer
13:51:15 <sbp> RRI would make some sense too. kinda
13:51:31 <_bjoern> Called it WebName!
13:51:36 <sbp> hehe
13:51:41 <sbp> WebName
13:51:45 <sbp> timbl calls them Symbols
13:51:56 <sbp> which is just bonkers
13:52:13 <sbp> (in that it's not particularly self-documenting...)
13:52:33 <sbp> IRIsWithSpaces
13:52:34 <_bjoern> Names for resource identifier technologies should really be URIs.
13:52:44 <sbp> hehe
13:52:56 <sbp> I should make an ontology of them
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14:04:58 <MoiraA> I love parts of phenny :)
14:05:10 <MoiraA> # This may give lots of errors
14:05:13 <MoiraA> haha
14:05:33 <sbp> chuckle, from the Makefile
14:05:41 <sbp> I'm not known for my witty code comments
14:05:46 <sbp> unlike, say, Morbus and Larry Wall
14:06:05 <MoiraA> so that's python?
14:06:18 <sbp> nope, the Makefile is in GNU make format
14:06:27 <sbp> it's not really a programming language. well, I guess it is actually
14:06:30 <MoiraA> what about the rest of it?
14:06:31 <sbp> a weird one though
14:06:35 <sbp> the rest is Python, yeah
14:06:38 <darobin> but the braindead whitespace sensitivity is similar!
14:06:39 <sbp> all the .py files are
14:06:40 <MoiraA> hmm
14:06:43 * darobin hides far, far away
14:06:52 <MoiraA> yeah, I was reading the web.y
14:06:53 <sbp> darobin: hmm, perl6... dwim... whitespace...
14:06:59 <MoiraA> *py
14:07:10 <sbp> NOW WHO'S EVIL, EH DAROBIN?! AHAHAHA
14:07:10 <darobin> whitespace doesn't dwim though
14:07:20 <sbp> in perl6 there is dwimmy whitespace
14:07:42 <darobin> which makes it different from Py ws :-)
14:07:46 <sbp> heh
14:08:06 <MoiraA> christ, the irc.py must have taken some doing
14:08:08 <sbp> MoiraA: I just wrote another web.py yesterday, oddly enough
14:08:18 <sbp> irc.py... not particularly
14:08:23 <darobin> then again, after over a year of dealing with code from people who don't use whitespace (and no, two-space indent doesn't count), I'd kill to use Python
14:08:27 <sbp> biggest module I've written recently is rdfxml.py
14:08:32 <MoiraA> is that the bit that queries google? the web
14:08:39 <sbp> which has a pull-event XML parser which is madcool
14:08:42 <sbp> nope, not web.py
14:09:05 <MoiraA> I was wanting to see what the code was like for that
14:09:24 <MoiraA> ah
14:09:41 <MoiraA> found the wiki
14:09:56 <sbp> ...the wiki?
14:09:59 <sbp> which wiki?
14:10:11 <sbp> I can send you the Google module if you'd like
14:10:36 <sbp> darobin: JibberJim does one space indent, I think. possibly two
14:10:47 <sbp> then again, that's in Javascript
14:10:51 <MoiraA> in the phenny modules
14:10:58 <sbp> where it's necessary because of allTheCrazyLongMethodNames
14:10:59 <MoiraA> there's weather and wiki
14:11:04 <sbp> oh, gotcha. wikipedia.py
14:11:13 <MoiraA> yes
14:11:19 <MoiraA> and weather.py
14:11:23 * _bjoern is a two spacer of late too
14:11:37 <MoiraA> still can't see google though
14:11:39 <sbp> I three space habitually
14:11:47 <sbp> MoiraA: the google module isn't public
14:11:47 <_bjoern> U SUCK !
14:11:51 <sbp> I can send you it if you'd like
14:12:09 <sbp> < [melted telephone guy] > NO U
14:12:14 <MoiraA> oh right
14:12:20 <darobin> sbp: trust me, I know that very, very well :-)
14:12:26 <MoiraA> that would be fantastic - I won't pass it on
14:12:28 <sbp> hehe. hmm
14:12:41 <MoiraA> seriously
14:12:48 <MoiraA> and I'm not good enough to use it
14:13:08 <MoiraA> but it just fascinates me how it's done
14:13:37 <MoiraA> as I'm using Tor, DCC won't work, but you can email moira.atkinson@gmail.com
14:13:44 <sbp> weird, I don't have your email address on file
14:13:49 <sbp> ah, thanks
14:13:59 <MoiraA> I have a few addresses actually
14:14:15 <MoiraA> the seen.py - that javascript too?
14:14:27 <MoiraA> they say python at the top which is confusing
14:14:40 <sbp> great, now Firefox crashed. pile o' junk
14:14:49 <sbp> nope, seen.py is Python
14:14:55 <sbp> all the .py files are Python
14:15:35 <MoiraA> ah, the wiki says python, I just thought you said it was javascript
14:16:18 <darobin> MoiraA: nah, he was saying that to me, in a different conversation
14:16:21 <sbp> rightio, sent
14:16:26 <sbp> yeah
14:16:30 <MoiraA> cheers!
14:16:37 <MoiraA> ah sorry darobin
14:16:44 <MoiraA> I thought it looked strange javascript anyway
14:16:51 <sbp> hehe
14:16:54 <darobin> no worries, just alleviating the confusion
14:17:02 <MoiraA> I have seen and used quite a bit of javascript within web pages
14:17:17 <darobin> I've been reading funny code in libgmail.py
14:17:29 <MoiraA> received, thanks
14:17:35 * MoiraA looks eagerly
14:17:41 <darobin> the way it interprets Javascript structures is by doing some char replacements, and then evaluating it
14:18:12 <darobin> the way it's done is safe though, it's the first time I see python and actually think it's nice
14:18:20 <_bjoern> .title http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=22714
14:18:23 <phenny> _bjoern: Firefox 3.0 Beta 1 Now Available - MozillaZine Talkback
14:18:50 <sbp> it's so dark today that there are streetlamps on outside
14:18:57 <sbp> we've got the lights on inside too
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14:19:51 <darobin> ah, light-sensitive lamps, smart
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14:19:52 <Monty> howdy, alienbrain
14:19:56 <darobin> here they're time-based
14:20:01 <darobin> so we can't see anything
14:20:20 <_bjoern> .wik Codex Aureus
14:20:23 <phenny> "Codex Aureus is Latin for Golden Book." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Aureus
14:20:58 <MoiraA> likewise sbp, yesterday too
14:21:07 <MoiraA> they've had snow in the south even
14:22:15 <MoiraA> that's interesting sbp, I'm thankful the py file opened in editpad!
14:22:24 <_bjoern> .title http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/17/wfat117.xml
14:22:28 <phenny> _bjoern: New Zealand bars British man's 'fat' wife - Telegraph
14:23:38 <MoiraA> hello phenny, just looking at your insides :)
14:23:48 <MoiraA> neat coding
14:24:20 <MoiraA> you take care of errors too
14:24:42 <MoiraA> anyway, I'll not pass it on, thanks
14:24:48 <KragenSitaker> that's easier in Python
14:24:54 <KragenSitaker> what won't you pass on?
14:25:37 <MoiraA> the module that makes phenny query google
14:26:02 <MoiraA> always wondered how people got bots to do that
14:26:12 <KragenSitaker> oh, the google module
14:26:49 <MoiraA> .ety synonym
14:26:51 <phenny> "1432 (but rare before 18c.), from L. synonymum, from Gk. synonymon 'word having the same sense as another,' noun use of neut. of synonymos 'having the same name as, synonymous,' from syn- 'together, same' + onyma, Aeolic dialectal form of onoma 'name' (see name)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=synonym
14:27:03 <KragenSitaker> yeah. sadly they stopped granting new google API keys
14:27:21 <MoiraA> sounds about right for google
14:27:50 <KragenSitaker> i was surprised and saddened
14:27:52 <MoiraA> just a pity there are no downloadable decent bots made for Vista :)
14:28:25 <KragenSitaker> .title http://badvisa.org/
14:28:28 <phenny> Can't connect to http://badvisa.org/
14:28:31 <KragenSitaker> .title http://badvista.org/
14:28:35 <phenny> KragenSitaker: BadVista.org: Stopping Microsoft Windows Vista adoption by promoting free software — BadVista
14:29:17 <MoiraA> it is a bit surprising, when you consider even Microsoft make their APIs freely available
14:29:45 <MoiraA> it makes sense - people then write software for windows so customers buy windows
14:31:08 <MoiraA> christ I'm reading how to make a good API - sounds a bit complicated for me :)
14:35:04 <sbp> MoiraA: again, phenny works on Vista
14:35:18 <MoiraA> does it? wow!
14:35:34 <MoiraA> I couldn't copy it though
14:36:48 <sbp> couldn't copy what?
14:36:50 <MoiraA> wouldn't I also need python?
14:36:57 <sbp> yep. there's a Python for windows
14:37:03 <sbp> more than one in fact
14:37:05 <MoiraA> your work, your code
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14:37:22 <sbp> ah, nope, it's free to download and use
14:37:46 * mini-man wonders if sbp will mind if he names his bot 'benny' :)
14:37:53 <sbp> hehe
14:37:58 <MoiraA> so I'd download python and put the code in there?
14:37:59 <sbp> sure. there's one named phanny
14:38:05 <sbp> anything's better than phanny
14:38:10 <mini-man> haha ok. Just a simple one inspired by phenny
14:38:13 <sbp> MoiraA: yeah. I can walk you through it if you want
14:38:16 <MoiraA> apart from the google module, that's safe
14:38:25 <sbp> as much as I can, at any rate... I don't have Vista
14:38:28 <MoiraA> ok
14:38:32 <MoiraA> I'll make it dead simple
14:38:41 <MoiraA> first I'd need python, yes?
14:38:50 <sbp> yep, so you need to get http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.5.1/python-2.5.1.msi
14:39:01 <sbp> and then run that. presumably just download to wherever and then double click it
14:39:08 <sbp> or it might offer to run it straight off of the web
14:39:16 <sbp> just follow all the prompts to install it
14:40:31 <MoiraA> it's installing
14:41:04 <mini-man> oh shi - benny's taken. :(
14:41:08 <sbp> hehe
14:43:14 <sbp> ahahahaha, awesome
14:43:19 <sbp> I just got Shakespeare Authorship spam
14:43:22 <sbp> brilliant!
14:43:32 <sbp> someone asking me what I think of a particular candidate
14:43:59 <MoiraA> ah dammit will have to bring services up to find print spooler to close
14:44:01 <sbp> ironically of a site I'd seen before
14:44:05 <sbp> hawking some book
14:44:11 <MoiraA> I'v had to disable antivirus and backup
14:44:14 <sbp> I should say I'd be happy to review a copy if I were sent one
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14:46:23 <sbp> there. I replied:
14:46:23 <sbp> [[[
14:46:24 <sbp> I'd be happy to give a brief review of the book if I were sent a copy.
14:46:24 <sbp> Let me know if you'd like to do so. My position on the Authorship
14:46:24 <sbp> spectrum is orthodox Stratfordian.
14:46:25 <sbp> ]]]
14:47:30 <sbp> I'm kinda happy about that in a weird way
14:47:38 <sbp> I guess I like my spam provocative and scary
14:48:01 <MoiraA> phew it needs loads of stuff stopped
14:48:18 <sbp> such is Windows
14:48:26 <MoiraA> yes
14:48:31 <sbp> OS X comes with it preinstalled :-)
14:48:41 <MoiraA> still three servives I can't find
14:51:15 <MoiraA> now I've lost my desktop of course
14:51:23 <MoiraA> I can't find the install now
14:51:33 <MoiraA> since I've got no icons at all
14:51:49 <sbp> how strange. did you quit explorer by mistake?
14:52:02 <sbp> this is Windows just as I remembered it. heh
14:52:20 <MoiraA> it said windows explorer had to quit
14:52:42 <sbp> the install process? really? wow
14:52:47 <sbp> was it trying to reboot you?
14:52:53 <MoiraA> I thought Id closed every instance of AVG and Acronis and PrintSpooler, but it still says there are three more services to close
14:53:28 <MoiraA> I mean I can find the installer in task manager, but I can't get the window up
14:53:43 <sbp> try... er...
14:53:46 <sbp> Ctrl+Tab or something
14:53:53 <sbp> the application switcher
14:54:13 <mini-man> alt+tab
14:54:17 <sbp> thanks
14:54:30 <sbp> it's Command+Tab on OS X, so I get confused about Windows now
14:54:31 <mini-man> you could use Switch To in the task manager
14:54:51 <MoiraA> I'll try that
14:54:52 <mini-man> (by right-clicking on the installer icon and Switch To application...)
14:55:00 <MoiraA> because alt + tab isn't bringing it up
14:56:29 <MoiraA> god, can't see the installer now
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14:56:36 <MoiraA> in processes - it's gone
14:57:16 <sbp> this might be the point where you reboot and forget any of this ever happened... :-)
14:57:30 <MoiraA> I think it will have to be
14:57:34 <sbp> kinda bizarre though since Python is very widely used and tested
14:57:36 <MoiraA> vista is still very buggy
14:57:39 <sbp> aye
14:57:54 <MoiraA> did you say there were several pythons for vista?
14:57:59 <MoiraA> I could try another
14:58:03 <MoiraA> I think the installer has closed
14:58:06 <sbp> yeah, but this one should've been the easiest
14:58:44 <sbp> there's ActivePython
14:58:45 <sbp> http://www.activestate.com/store/productdetail.aspx?prdGuid=b08b04e0-6872-4d9d-a722-7a0c2dea2758
14:58:47 <MoiraA> never mind, I'll reboot and possibly I can try and get another python, then when its installed let you know
14:58:48 <sbp> or cygwin's python
14:58:52 <sbp> 'k
