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00:12:47 <jsled> awesome. http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3117/
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00:15:59 <KragenSitaker> mini-man: it's not beautiful soup's fault!
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00:25:48 <sdkay> What would you call people who frequent #swhack
00:25:50 <sdkay> ?
00:29:02 <jsled> dilettantes?
00:35:16 <sdkay> Phenny doesn't use irclib?
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02:06:37 <mini-man> KragenSitaker: true I guess :P
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02:29:37 <haxorjoe> are there any karma modules for phenny?
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02:32:23 <therethinker> karma?
02:33:09 <haxorjoe> like if someone does something you like, you can do .karma nick ++ and you can add or removes +s and then go into -s
02:37:25 <therethinker> I'll try
02:37:59 * haxorjoe hugs therethinker
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02:48:05 <therethinker> phenny: Tell Monty monty rules
02:48:08 <Monty> correct it logs made them ban *everyone*, to sell my blog
02:48:23 <therethinker> phenny: tell Monty Monty rules!
02:48:24 <Monty> cool, welcome
02:48:25 <phenny> therethinker: I'll pass that on when monty is around.
02:48:27 <Monty> (bleedin americans)
02:48:27 <phenny> Monty: 03:38Z <therethinker> tell Monty Monty rules!
02:48:29 <Monty> staircase adores colostomy bag.
02:48:36 <therethinker> Yay bot fighting!
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03:13:18 <_bjoern> Happy Mailman Day.
03:13:56 <therethinker> SEXIST!
03:13:56 <therethinker> Happy Postal Worker Day!
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03:38:03 <_bjoern> You don't understand mailman day.
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03:41:57 <therethinker> Hmm... a female mail man
03:42:13 <therethinker> so... heterlogically autologically redundant
03:43:57 <MoiraA> desero
03:43:59 <phenny> MoiraA: 30 Nov 09:46Z <sbp> tell MoiraA not Software Hacker. it's onomatopoeic
03:44:53 <MoiraA> daqnle =0pu`
03:45:14 <MoiraA> think the hrdy yhinh a\i vswn fo id ho yo ntg
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03:54:25 <pierpa> .weather lirf
03:54:28 <phenny> Clear ☼, 5℃, 1017mb, Light breeze 5kt (↑) - LIRF 5:20, 0420Z
03:54:43 <pierpa> .weather liml
03:54:46 <phenny> Clear ☼, 3℃, 1015mb, Shallow Fog, Light air 1kt (↻) - LIML, 5:20, 0420Z
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04:42:18 <Arnia> For those in the UK http://dur.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2235015750&ref=nf
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05:06:45 <_bjoern> .pc '
05:06:51 <phenny> 0027: APOSTROPHE (')
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07:51:07 <sbp> "As you can clearly see, the type declarations add expressiveness, while at the same time they make the code look much more professional."
07:51:11 <sbp> PEP 3117 is great
07:51:59 <sbp> chuckle at therethinker not understanding Mailman day...
07:52:08 <thelsdj> .time utc
07:52:10 <phenny> 2007-12-01T08:42:23Z
07:52:23 <thelsdj> what time is weather usually ready?
07:52:47 <thelsdj> there it is
07:53:30 <sbp> yo thelsdj!
07:53:34 <sbp> now, yeah
07:53:36 <sbp> it's working? whoo!
07:54:17 <thelsdj> gonna be cold this morning in Benicia
07:54:36 <thelsdj> but will be relatively warm for the next week
07:54:42 <thelsdj> ya, prescott works
07:56:33 <sbp> I've found myself using them more than traditional weather forecast sources
07:56:49 <sbp> it's much better having a wavy line across the day than a single figure
07:57:32 <sbp> Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (11) in /var/www/html/includes/opendb.inc on line 3
07:57:32 <sbp> Error connecting to mysql
07:57:36 <sbp> - http://irseek.com/result.php?keywords=pfsense
07:57:54 <sbp> and...
07:57:54 <sbp> Warning: mysql_connect(): Too many connections in /var/www/html/includes/opendb.inc on line 3
07:57:55 <sbp> Error connecting to mysql
07:57:59 <sbp> - http://irseek.com/result.php?keywords=test
08:02:32 <sbp> .gc schlöbel
08:02:35 <phenny> schlöbel: 56
08:03:18 <sbp> .gc +schlöbel
08:03:20 <phenny> +schlöbel: 1
08:11:43 <_bjoern> .g flv file format
08:11:45 <phenny> _bjoern: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Video
08:13:22 <_bjoern> .wik NDIIPP
08:13:24 <phenny> "The National Digital Information Infrastructure and Preservation Program is a national strategic program being led by the Library of Congress to preserve digital content." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NDIIPP
08:13:27 <sbp> yo _!
08:13:45 <sbp> ooh, NDIIPP should run IRC bots on American channels
08:14:41 <_bjoern> "Begin the licensing process for the File Format Specification ›" is suxxoring link text.
08:14:58 <_bjoern> I just want to know why people don't put lots of meta data in these files!
08:15:14 <sbp> because it's Flash?
08:16:18 <_bjoern> You'd be surprised how many JPEG images embed large chunks of RDF.
08:16:30 <sbp> nope
08:16:36 <_bjoern> yes you would be!
08:16:44 <sbp> because you've said several times that "most of the web's RDF is in JPEG files"
08:16:52 <sbp> so I already figured at least three JPEG files have RDF in them
08:16:54 <_bjoern> I just said that once!
08:17:17 <sbp> well I repeated it to myself quite a bit
08:17:20 <_bjoern> flv files tend to be full of "LAME3.97 (beta)"
08:17:27 <_bjoern> .gc "LAME3.97 (beta)"
08:17:29 <phenny> "LAME3.97 (beta)": 23
08:17:36 <sbp> LAME is GRAET
08:17:39 <_bjoern> 23! OMG
08:19:12 <_bjoern> they dont have many formats yet http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/browse_list.shtml
08:20:05 <_bjoern> http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000126.shtml !
08:20:11 <sbp> they don't have HTML
08:20:18 <_bjoern> "XMF is likely to be preferred to mods." is kinda worrying though
08:20:30 <sbp> hehe
08:20:48 <sbp> yay, Ogg
08:21:14 <sbp> heh, they have XML
08:21:47 <_bjoern> they even have svg
08:21:53 <sbp> [[[
08:21:54 <sbp> To be useful for interoperability or long-term content preservation, an XML document must be associated with a schema specification for the elements and tags it contains. Such schema specifications (see XML_DTD and XML_SCHEMA) must also be disclosed.
08:22:00 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000075.shtml
08:22:54 <sbp> and...
08:22:54 <sbp> [[[
08:22:55 <sbp> Integrity of rendering of equations, etc. Requires specialized markup (e.g., MathML) and corresponding rendering engine. Scholars in many scientific disciplines are not satisfied with the performance of such rendering engines.
08:22:56 <sbp> ]]]
08:25:13 <sbp> "and last but not least, it makes Python measure up to Perl 6, which already uses Unicode for its operators. [2]
08:25:14 <sbp> ...
08:25:22 <sbp> [2] Well, it would, if there was a Perl 6."
08:25:26 <sbp> - PEP 3117
08:27:57 <_bjoern> U LEARNED U PROMISED
08:28:14 <_bjoern> .gc preservationist
08:28:16 <phenny> preservationist: 429,000
08:28:57 <sbp> " is a very very tiny [[[
08:29:02 <sbp> and " is a very very tiny ]]]
08:29:12 <_bjoern> NO IS NOT
08:29:14 <sbp> you may need to flubber-enlarge your screen
08:29:52 <_bjoern> You should use ... at the end at least, or """ or '''.
08:31:43 <sbp> quote to __EOF__:
08:31:47 <sbp> this is a quote
08:31:50 <sbp> __EOF__
08:32:06 <_bjoern> HEREDOC
08:32:21 <sbp> HEREDOC, whereisyaboy? c'mon HEREDOC! HEEEEREDOC!
08:32:21 <_bjoern> the syntax would be <<"__EOF__"; ... __EOF__ though.
08:32:51 <sbp> I made up my own syntax extension to perl6
08:33:10 <_bjoern> You also kill kittens.
08:33:18 <sbp> NO U!! <咒>
08:33:25 <_bjoern> While you eat them.
08:33:35 <sbp> SEE ABOVE <咒>
08:34:21 <_bjoern> ·
08:35:03 <_bjoern> .cp ^037E
08:35:05 <phenny> 037E: GREEK QUESTION MARK (;)
08:35:40 <_bjoern> ϒϔϒ
08:36:00 <sbp> oÔ̈̈̈̈̈o
08:36:19 <_bjoern> .pc ᅇ
08:36:21 <phenny> 1147: HANGUL CHOSEONG SSANGIEUNG (ᅇ)
08:36:23 <sbp> Happy Advent cum Mailman Day, by the way
08:36:32 <_bjoern> HAPPY WORLD AIDS DAY
08:36:34 <sbp> ᅇ̈
08:37:08 <sbp> .wik Advent
08:37:12 <phenny> "Advent (from the Latin word advenio, meaning 'to come', 'the coming of Christ our saviour') is a holy season of the Christian church, the period of expectant waiting and preparation for the celebration of the Nativity of Christ, also known outside the Church as the [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advent
08:37:36 <sbp> "It is the beginning of the Western Christian year and commences on Advent Sunday."
08:37:56 <sbp> [[[
08:37:57 <sbp> Advent Sunday falls on the following dates:
08:37:57 <sbp> * 2007: 2 December
08:37:57 <sbp> * 2008: 30 November
08:37:57 <sbp> * 2009: 29 November
08:38:02 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advent_Sunday
08:38:41 <sbp> movable holidays are weird
08:38:41 <_bjoern> Before long it'll be in July!
08:38:48 <sbp> yeah
08:38:54 <sbp> it already is for the shops
08:39:47 <_bjoern> "In Normandy, farmers employed children under twelve to run through the fields and orchards armed with torches, setting fire to bundles of straw, and thus it is believed driving out such vermin as are likely to damage the crops." - We could try that with the "U.S."
08:40:12 <_bjoern> Oh wait they just did in California.
08:40:18 <sbp> did it work?
08:40:33 <_bjoern> Didn't seem like it.
08:41:04 <sbp> so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advent doesn't once mention that in colloquial terms Advent starts on the 1st December!
08:41:32 <_bjoern> Because it doesnt?
08:43:21 <sbp> I just edited it
08:43:27 <sbp> "In quasi-secular reckoning, Advent starts on the 1 December, and its progression may be marked with an Advent calendar."
08:43:44 <sbp> I should perhaps annotate with what cultures/countries that's true in
08:43:56 <sbp> but since I don't know what cultures/countries that's true in, I sorta can't
08:44:01 <sbp> it's true in the UK at least
08:44:19 <sbp> I could put "in the UK and other places"
08:45:38 <sbp> I fear somewhat that we may have inherited this from the "U.S."
08:45:38 <_bjoern> You mean a december calendar.
08:45:48 <sbp> no, they're sold as advent calendars
08:45:52 <sbp> and have been for as long as I remember
08:46:25 <sbp> ah! thank goodness!
08:46:27 <sbp> "The origins of the Advent calendar come from German Lutherans who, at least as early as the beginning of the 19th century, would count the days of Advent physically. Often this meant simply drawing a chalk line on the door each day, beginning on December 1."
08:46:31 <sbp> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advent_calendar
08:46:52 <_bjoern> We invented the whole thing.
08:47:16 <_bjoern> Do they do this in the U.S. at all? I thought they hang out their socks in weird ways.
08:48:23 <sbp> okay, edited it to: "The progression of Advent may be marked with an Advent calendar reckoning Advent to start on 1 December, a practice introduced by German Lutherans." linking Advent calendar appropriately
08:48:26 <bancus_> I'm not aware of anyone who does this.
08:48:33 <sbp> aha, thanks
08:48:45 <sbp> heh, perhaps it's only the UK that does it anymore? awesome
08:49:35 <sbp> "After the war, Richard Sellmer of Stuttgart resurrected the commercial Advent calendar and is responsible for its widespread popularity."
08:50:43 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advent_calendar#The_Scandinavian_Julekalender is interesting
08:50:58 <sbp> "The julekalender often leads to controversy, there always being someone regarding it as too dirty"
08:54:09 <_bjoern> In any case, calling the first of december advent even if it's not a sunday is not common at all, for all that I can tell.
08:54:56 <sbp> but as Advent calendar says, advent calendars all start from 1st December
08:55:46 <_bjoern> that's because they usually include all the sundays!
08:56:43 <sbp> hmm?
08:58:37 <_bjoern> phenny, "Nur noch selten zu finden sind Kalender, die den ganzen Zeitraum des Advent - also vom ersten Adventssonntag bis Weihnachten - abdecken. Diese haben die passende Anzahl von Türchen für das betreffende Jahr oder haben vier zusätzliche Türchen"?
08:58:47 <_bjoern> phenny, "um den längstmöglichen Advent (Sonntag 27. November bis Samstag 24. Dezember) abzudecken. Der Adventskalender ist heute meist ein "Dezemberkalender", das heißt, er beginnt nicht am ersten Adventssonntag, sondern am 1. Dezember."?
08:58:49 <phenny> _bjoern: "To find only rare are calendars, which cover the whole period of the Advent - thus from the first Adventssonntag to Christmas -. These have the suitable number of Tuerchen for the year concerned or to have four additional Tuerchen" (de)
08:58:52 <phenny> _bjoern: "in order to take the long-possible Advent off (Sunday 27 November until Saturday 24 December). The advent calendar is today usually a "December calendar", i.e., it begins not at the first Adventssonntag, but on 1 December." (de)
09:00:47 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Coming#Date_Setting.2FPredictions
09:01:24 <sbp> de.wikipedia is WROIGN
09:02:21 <_bjoern> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas#Saint_Nicholas_the_festive_gift-giver lacks info about the UK
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09:04:26 <sbp> not marked at all, as far as I know
09:04:36 <sbp> I didn't even know that 6th December was his day
09:08:19 <sbp> 'The holy person of St. Nicholas is a popular subject portrayed on countless Eastern Orthodox icons, particularly Russian ones. (So beloved is St. Nicholas by Russians, one commonly heard saying is "if God dies, at least we'll still have St. Nicholas.")'
09:25:42 * Arnia boings his presence
09:26:11 <sbp> Ar̈n̈ïä!
09:28:58 <Arnia> I was having the advent debate with someone last Monday. They were adamant that advent began on the 1st December every year.
09:29:24 <sbp> _bjoern: see! see!
09:29:29 <sbp> LOTS of dumb people believe this
09:29:45 <sbp> enough for it to be called the quasi-secular colloquial (coughmiscough)understanding, I think
09:30:25 <sbp> I don't think it's wrong, per se. just a different reckoning
09:30:31 <sbp> it's the Advent calendar reckoning
09:30:51 <Arnia> The reckoning of itself?
09:31:04 <sbp> the Advent calendar's reckoning of Advent
09:31:20 <sbp> .title http://inamidst.com/lo/seasons
09:31:23 <phenny> sbp: Seasonal Reckonings
09:31:24 <sbp> cf. that
09:31:34 <_bjoern> Well not here in Europa!
09:34:52 <Arnia> mm... nice typesetting
09:35:06 <sbp> thanks! I used phi-power
09:36:04 <sbp> and the vertical rhythm trick
09:36:54 * Arnia melts
09:52:19 <xover> “The Scandinavian Julekalender”? Really?
09:52:45 <sbp> aha, mailman messages
09:53:10 <sbp> xover: not quite
09:53:14 <sbp> "In Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland"
09:53:15 <sbp> not Iceland
09:57:26 <xover> I should probably read the whole article, but that section strikes me as being written by someone a bit lacking in recent historical context.
09:58:36 <_bjoern> No, you should punish sbp for quoting too little!
09:59:37 * Arnia boings _bjoern
10:00:32 * _bjoern sets Arnia up the bomb
10:00:35 <xover> Ah, it's shoehorned in there without the requisite context.
10:00:39 <sbp> _bjoern: I already pastebinned the whole thing:
10:00:40 <sbp> <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advent_calendar#The_Scandinavian_Julekalender is interesting
10:00:48 <Arnia> Hm
10:01:02 <Arnia> I'm having a Portishead moment
10:01:12 <xover> Oooh, Portishead!
10:01:33 <sbp> .gc portisheathen
10:01:44 <phenny> portisheathen: 0
10:01:45 <_bjoern> sbp, your point being? xover should punish you with and without a good reason!
10:01:59 <_bjoern> .gc portisfoot
10:02:01 <phenny> portisfoot: 2
10:02:38 <xover> Oh, so /that's/ Trip Hop. Wow, I never knew; apparently I'm an old school Trip Hop fan.
10:02:51 <sbp> _bjoern: RETORT
10:04:16 <_bjoern> ⚗
10:04:41 <sbp> .wik Alembic
10:04:44 <phenny> "An alembic (From Arabic,Al-ambiq الأنبيق ) is an alchemical still consisting of two retorts connected by a tube." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alembic
10:04:47 <Arnia> Oxygene has been rereleased
10:04:53 <sbp> bwahahaha
10:05:55 <xover> For the record, the Advent Calendar — typically called a “Christmas Calendar” (“Julekalender“) — in Norway is pretty much what the rest of the article talks about.
10:06:01 <Arnia> £14.99...
10:06:11 <sbp> xover: what about the tv show thingies?
10:06:14 <sbp> .wik Oxygene
10:06:17 <phenny> "Oxygene is an album of instrumental electronic music composed and produced by Jean Michel Jarre, and released in 1976 (see 1976 in music) on Disques Dreyfus, licensed to Polydor." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygene
10:06:39 <Arnia> 23 tracks of about 6 or 7 minutes long each
10:07:17 <_bjoern> ؞
10:07:35 <xover> The TV tradition started comparatively recently as a children's TV show which was Christmas themed and in format structured along the lines of a Christmas Calendar.
10:08:13 <xover> It's no more or less a “Tradition” than the Dr. Who Christmas Special.
10:08:23 <_bjoern> .pc ⚗
10:08:25 <phenny> 2697: ALEMBIC (⚗)
10:08:50 <sbp> .cp ^26A2
10:08:52 <phenny> 26A2: DOUBLED FEMALE SIGN (⚢)
10:08:56 <_bjoern> ⚭
10:08:58 <sbp> .pc ؞
10:09:01 <phenny> 061E: ARABIC TRIPLE DOT PUNCTUATION MARK (؞)
10:09:01 <deltab> .gc "new tradition"
10:09:02 <sbp> .pc ⚭
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10:09:03 <phenny> "new tradition": 758,000
10:09:06 <phenny> 26AD: MARRIAGE SYMBOL (⚭)
10:09:09 <sbp> these look like black blocks to me
10:09:14 <_bjoern> ⚤
10:09:18 <sbp> BLCOK
10:09:26 <sbp> .pc ⚤
10:09:28 <phenny> 26A4: INTERLOCKED FEMALE AND MALE SIGN (⚤)
10:09:36 <_bjoern> they are all new in Unicode 5
10:09:40 <sbp> aha
10:09:49 <_bjoern> .pc ⚛
10:09:51 <phenny> 269B: ATOM SYMBOL (⚛)
10:10:16 <sbp> .pc ^2699
10:10:19 <phenny> 005E: CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT (^)
10:10:21 <sbp> ATOM SYMBOL displays for me
10:10:22 <phenny> 0032: DIGIT TWO (2)
10:10:24 <sbp> .cp ^2699
10:10:25 <phenny> 0036: DIGIT SIX (6)
10:10:27 <phenny> 2699: GEAR (⚙)
10:10:32 <sbp> and GEAR
10:10:43 <sbp> STAFF OF AESCULAPIUS?
10:10:48 <sbp> .wik STAFF OF AESCULAPIUS
10:10:52 <phenny> "Image" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Asclepius_staff.svg
10:10:52 <sbp> .wik AESCULAPIUS
10:10:56 <phenny> "Asclepius (Greek Ἀσκληπιός, transliterated Asklēpiós; Latin Aesculapius) is the demigod of medicine and healing in ancient Greek mythology." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius
10:11:01 <sbp> 'k
10:12:13 <sbp> .cp ^26AF
10:12:14 <phenny> 26AF: UNMARRIED PARTNERSHIP SYMBOL (⚯)
10:12:53 <_bjoern> .pc ⟀
10:12:53 <phenny> 27C0: THREE DIMENSIONAL ANGLE (⟀)
10:13:49 <sbp> triangular cannibalism:
10:13:53 <sbp> .cp ^27C1
10:13:56 <phenny> 27C1: WHITE TRIANGLE CONTAINING SMALL WHITE TRIANGLE (⟁)
10:15:20 <sbp> .cp ^29D[89]
10:15:22 <phenny> 29D8: LEFT WIGGLY FENCE (⧘)
10:15:25 <phenny> 29D9: RIGHT WIGGLY FENCE (⧙)
10:15:41 <_bjoern> .wik labialization
10:15:43 <phenny> "Labialisation is a secondary articulatory feature of sounds in some languages." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labialization
10:15:44 <sbp> ooh, U+29E6 GLEICH STARK
10:16:36 <sbp> what in the name of all that is Biggles is a GLEICH STARK?
10:17:14 <sbp> [[[
10:17:15 <sbp> # Dr. Joe Bekker: GLEICH STARK -- is that an English Name?
10:17:15 <sbp> # Dr. Asmus Freytag: That is what the mathematicians call it.
10:17:21 <sbp> ]]] - http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:yaUhmHrVSzYJ:anubis.dkuug.dk/JTC1/SC2/WG2/docs/n2353.doc+%22GLEICH+STARK+is%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6
10:17:38 <_bjoern> .wik Gleich stark
10:17:42 <phenny> "Geschichte" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nightstallion/deutsch
10:17:46 <_bjoern> .wik Gleichstark
10:17:49 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Gleichstark".
10:19:10 <sbp> phenny: "gleich stark"?
10:19:19 <phenny> sbp: "equivalent strongly" (de)
10:22:08 <_bjoern> ⽯ ⧦ ♼, ♼ ⧦ ✄, ✄ ⧦ ⽯.
10:24:34 <_bjoern> .wik Afghani
10:24:37 <phenny> "The Afghanistan afghani, the official currency of Afghanistan" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghani
10:24:47 <_bjoern> .pc ؋
10:24:50 <phenny> 060B: AFGHANI SIGN (؋)
10:28:57 <_bjoern> .calc 1 USD in CAD
10:28:59 <phenny> 1 U.S. dollar = 0.994000215 Canadian dollars
10:29:07 <_bjoern> .calc 1 CAD
10:29:09 <phenny> 1 Canadian dollar = 1.006036 U.S. dollars
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10:29:59 <xover> Wow, third go-around with HP Support where I tell them printer is so fucked it hasn't started any network services and they suggest I try SNMP, FTP, HTTP…
10:29:59 <Arnia> short, but not a bad payoff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk-GelTbYNA&feature=related
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10:32:11 <deltab> maybe it has but it's lying to oyou
10:32:52 <_bjoern> it's fucked up after all
10:34:20 <xover> I've portscanned the thing and actually tested the various connection methods they've suggested. It's dead Jim.
10:35:11 <_bjoern> Maybe it just doesn't like talking to you
10:35:27 <xover> I've been trying to drop enough clues that they'll pass me off from the support drones and back to the actual product techs in the hopes that there's a serial or USB way to upload firmware; or a netboot option.
10:36:12 <xover> But I guess they haven't exhausted their support script yet.
10:36:24 <xover> I'm betting the next go round they'll ask me to reinstall Windows.
10:36:48 <_bjoern> So you just started the support script.
10:50:13 <sbp> .̈
10:53:36 <_bjoern> .cp ape drive
10:53:38 <phenny> 2707: TAPE DRIVE (✇)
10:53:59 <_bjoern> .weather edfm
10:54:03 <phenny> Cloudy, 9℃, 1009mb, Light Showers of Rain, Gentle breeze 19km/h (10kt) (↑) - EDFM, 12:20, 1120Z
10:54:24 <_bjoern> feels more like -9℃
10:54:41 <_bjoern> and the gentle breeze sounds more like a storm
10:56:24 <_bjoern> .pc ⚧
10:56:26 <phenny> 26A7: MALE WITH STROKE AND MALE AND FEMALE SIGN (⚧)
10:58:16 <sbp> alrighty
10:58:24 <sbp> name statistics!
10:58:40 <xover> Hmm.
10:58:45 <xover> This is interesting: http://www.irseek.com/show.php?pageid=3f55b6368c4b11dcaca12c2aebe8c8af&hilite=irseek
11:00:49 <sbp> hmm, indeed
11:02:12 <sbp> nobody in that channel now
11:02:26 <xover> heh, yeah, I just checked too.
11:02:31 <sbp> :-)
11:02:43 <xover> Hmm. And they've removed the link to the parent company from irseek.com.
11:02:50 <sbp> hehe
11:03:16 <sbp> as if it's difficult to find that out anyway
11:05:46 <xover> Hmm. He used to be a student of DJB it seems.
11:06:05 <xover> .title http://marc.info/?l=bugtraq&m=110321888413132
11:06:10 <phenny> xover: 'DJB's students release 44 *nix software vulnerability advisories' - MARC
11:06:52 <sbp> yeah, he gives credit to djb on his homepage somewhere
11:07:05 <sbp> that's why I said about security expertise in my email
11:09:22 <xover> US Headquarters in San Diego.
11:09:35 <xover> Anyone want to stop by and have a little chat with them?
11:09:54 <sbp> do we have any San Diego Swhackers?
11:10:03 <xover> Bound to.
11:10:24 <xover> Did we ever do a #swhack Map?
11:10:44 <sbp> hmm, I think we did a half-hearted one
11:10:54 <sbp> half-assed perhaps more accurate
11:11:49 <xover> What was that GMap based thigy that let you plot your locations on the map?
11:12:07 <sbp> dunno if I've seen that
11:13:10 <xover> Damn. They set that up for a gaming related forum, but I can't recall the name ottomh.
11:16:33 <sbp> okay, so I tried to just make a list of the most-English and least-American names
11:16:40 <sbp> but apparently I suck at doing that
11:16:54 <sbp> because the results don't make much sense to me
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11:18:07 <sbp> for example Demi, Maddison, Georgia, Eleanor, and Courtney came out as highly British
11:18:19 <sbp> clearly we're becoming Americanised...
11:18:25 <sbp> more so than America!
11:18:43 <deltab> what criteria are you using?
11:18:52 <deltab> in the code
11:19:08 <sbp> deltab: it's rank on the top British names minus the rank on the top American names
11:19:32 <sbp> actually adding them together, starting at -1000 for the top American name and +1000 for the top British name
11:19:58 <deltab> for the same year?
11:20:02 <sbp> yeah, 2006
11:20:09 <sbp> data from:
11:20:10 <sbp> * http://www.behindthename.com/top/lists/1000us2006.php
11:20:19 <sbp> * http://www.behindthename.com/top/lists/100ew2006.php
11:21:24 <sbp> hmm, excluding names that are in the American list *at* *all* might be interesting
11:21:25 <xover> .title http://www.frappr.com/
11:21:28 <phenny> xover: Visitor Map, MySpace Map, Frappr Map - The most social maps on the Web.
11:22:43 <sbp> that almost worked!
11:22:52 <sbp> the only obviously oddly American one in the results is Demi
11:22:54 <xover> .title http://www.frappr.com/swhack/map
11:22:56 <phenny> xover: Frappr Maps - My Maps
11:24:55 <sbp> lots of anonymous entries there
11:30:35 <deltab> how would you judge how American a name is? by how popular it is for naming US babies, or by how prominent it is in media imported from the US?
11:31:28 <pierpa`> .title http://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/SoftIntCodeSign/
11:31:31 <phenny> pierpa`: Software Integrity Checksum and Code Signing Vulnerability
11:31:39 <pierpa`> MD5 brken!
11:31:43 <pierpa`> +o
11:34:41 <Arnia> .ety musical
11:34:44 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "musical". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=musical
11:34:49 <Arnia> Oh that isn't going to work
11:35:13 <Arnia> Does anyone know when the term 'musical' began being applied to some operettas?
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11:42:13 <pierpa`> 1860
11:42:36 <sbp> TO THE OED!
11:43:23 <sbp> [[[
11:43:23 <sbp> 3. a. A musical party; (also in pl.) musical entertainment. Cf. MUSICALE n. U.S. in later use.
11:43:24 <sbp> 1809 Examiner 9 July 442/1 (heading) Boarding school musicals. 1823 I. D'ISRAELI Curiosities of Lit. 2nd Ser. I. 401 Such fashionable cant terms as ‘theatricals’, and ‘musicals’, invented by the flippant Topham.
11:43:24 <sbp> ]]]
11:45:28 <pierpa`> my enciclopedia says second half of 800 for the kind of spectacle, but is not clear if word musical was already used at the time
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11:46:44 <Arnia> That's much earlier than I thought
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11:47:14 <sbp> xororand: Turing test. PASS YE OR FAIL YE
11:48:26 <_bjoern> xororand, which bot do you love most?
11:49:02 <Arnia> YOU
11:49:03 <_bjoern> .gc ALEMBICBOT
11:49:06 <phenny> ALEMBICBOT: 0
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12:02:49 <sbp> alright, now I combined all the data from 2000 to 2006
12:02:55 <sbp> and double weighted the US names
12:02:59 <sbp> and the results are a bit better
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12:33:37 <sbp> http://inamidst.com/whits/2007/12#names
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12:33:40 <sbp> - Most British Names
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12:36:12 <Arnia> sbp: Please do the boys list too :)
12:36:17 <sbp> I was thinking about trying to figure out when the ... hehe
12:36:18 <sbp> okay
12:36:35 <sbp> I was thinking about trying to figure out when The Times (modulo Caitlin) went tacky
12:36:39 <sbp> but that's a bit more advanced
12:36:44 <Arnia> Uh, long time ago
12:36:46 <sbp> anyway, doing the boys names
12:36:49 <sbp> yeah
12:36:49 * Arnia boings sadly
12:37:05 <Arnia> As has every paper now... silliness!
12:37:16 <Arnia> They're all so... so... bad
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12:43:37 <cre8radix|off> hey
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12:50:59 <sbp> uploading...
12:51:20 <sbp> Arnia: http://inamidst.com/whits/2007/12#boynames
12:53:59 <sbp> one thing that surprised me is that Julia came very, very low. almost bottom
12:54:15 <sbp> Mary is near bottom too
12:54:44 <sbp> Justin and Kevin are very low on the boys list
12:54:50 <sbp> Cody too. heh
12:55:19 <sbp> phenny: tell d8uv YOUR NAME IS VERY AMERICAN. I did a study. it came out as almost the most American name (though Christian got the top spot)
12:55:22 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when d8uv is around.
12:55:35 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus YOUR NAME IS VERY AMERICAN. I did a study. it came out as almost the most American name (though Christian got the top spot)
12:55:37 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when morbus is around.
12:55:48 <Morbus> pff.
12:55:52 <phenny> Morbus: 13:46Z <sbp> tell Morbus YOUR NAME IS VERY AMERICAN. I did a study. it came out as almost the most American name (though Christian got the top spot)
12:56:10 <sbp> :-)
12:56:17 <sbp> though note that Eve is one of the most British, which is interesting
12:56:20 <darobin> dahut!
12:56:28 <Morbus> I was thinking of Destroyer of God's for my new daughter's name.
12:56:33 <darobin> or even, to please sbp, dahurt!
12:56:33 <sbp> hahaha
12:56:40 <sbp> darobin: thanks! (what?)
12:56:51 <darobin> (doghurt)
12:56:58 <sbp> ooh
12:57:03 <sbp> mmm... doghurt
12:57:25 <sbp> Morbus: think you can get approval for that?
12:57:46 <sbp> I can just imagine you filing the papers with the relevant authorities for it
12:57:47 <Morbus> yeah, but only if I agree to stop the wicker-man i've been building.
12:57:47 <darobin> Theo is most British?
12:57:51 <sbp> with a <G> on your face
12:57:54 <sbp> darobin: one of the most...
12:58:10 <sbp> it was 18th
12:58:36 <darobin> one of my nephews is called Theo
12:58:43 <darobin> he's French though
12:58:53 <sbp> yeah, I was wondering if it was a recent continental import
12:58:58 <darobin> Cerys is teh pretty
12:59:03 <sbp> yeah, Cerys++
12:59:15 <sbp> probably a fair few other Celtic names that should be more common, too
12:59:23 <darobin> well, it's Greek, it could have been imported any time really
12:59:29 <sbp> aha
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13:00:10 <darobin> Rhys is nice too
13:00:22 <darobin> Welsh as well I guess?
13:00:31 <sbp> Sean is about middle, incidentally. one place above Ahmed
13:00:34 <sbp> yep
13:00:36 <darobin> I need to convince Irène to lean towards the Welsh :)
13:00:39 <darobin> heh
13:00:45 <darobin> where's Robin?
13:00:48 <sbp> Joe is about a third of the way down
13:00:56 <darobin> as a boy's name I'd guess it's pretty British
13:01:09 <sbp> Robin is not on the male list
13:01:12 <darobin> and pretty American as a girl's
13:01:14 <sbp> it is a third of the way down the female list
13:01:15 <darobin> !!!
13:01:23 <sbp> so actually quite British-female
13:01:33 <sbp> hehe
13:01:40 <sbp> I didn't say the results wouldn't be disturbing
13:01:52 <sbp> Sean being about middle is disturbing enough
13:02:12 <darobin> bah, Robin as a girl's name is totally americanisation
13:02:19 <darobin> you're doomed!
13:02:25 <sbp> yeah, it's the Demi-effect
13:02:47 <sbp> but note that it's an interesting class of Americanisation
13:02:55 <sbp> it's an Americanisation that America is apparently itself dropping
13:03:04 <darobin> good thing too
13:03:05 <_bjoern> LOL
13:03:07 <_bjoern> "Americanisation"
13:03:13 <sbp> Demi for example is *extremely* high
13:03:14 <_bjoern> omg hai!
13:03:17 <sbp> HAI!
13:05:56 <sbp> .compare +Americanization +Americanisation
13:05:59 <phenny> +Americanization (1,040,000), +Americanisation (130,000)
13:07:15 <sbp> one of my favourite bits of anti-Americanisation is from a card in a Frank Zappa CD
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13:07:33 <sbp> which starts "Like all things American, this card believes that America is the center of the universe..."
13:08:46 <pierpa> how is pronunced Cerys?
13:08:55 <sbp> keh-ris
13:09:07 <pierpa> ah. thanks
13:09:10 <sbp> sort i sound
13:09:14 <sbp> np
13:09:38 <sbp> actually it's a schwa really
13:09:43 <sbp> s/sort/short/
13:09:50 <pierpa> ok
13:10:15 <pierpa> related to Ceres?
13:10:43 <sbp> no
13:10:56 <sbp> I just went looking for a sound file on the web, but instead found this: 'Plus, on "She's A Millionaire", Cerys has the best pronunciation of the word gynaecology ever put to record. --Emma Johnston'
13:11:13 <pierpa> :)
13:11:38 <sbp> one site says that it means love
13:11:44 <sbp> which is feasible. the Welsh for love is caru
13:11:54 <sbp> where u is an i sound
13:12:08 <pierpa> seems plausible
13:16:27 <darobin> _bjoern: thanks for noticing the spelling, I thought no one was going to comment :-)
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13:18:24 <sbp> hmm, Baroness Warsi and Lord Ahmed have gone to Sudan
13:19:58 <_bjoern> It was nothing really, I just did the usual LOL, "random quote" intro.
13:21:33 <sbp> LOL
13:21:36 <sbp> ""random quote""
13:22:10 <_bjoern> but can you quote multiple words?
13:24:07 <sbp> yes
13:24:27 <_bjoern> and if I say you can't?
13:24:44 <sbp> then you still can
13:24:55 <sbp> < 咒 > HE'S RIGHT YOU KNOW
13:25:05 <sbp> who, me? or _bjoern?
13:25:10 <sbp> < 咒 > _BJOERN
13:25:13 <sbp> NO U
13:26:13 <_bjoern> That means I win, right?
13:26:50 <sbp> you merely have pole position
13:27:59 <_bjoern> On the podium, yes.
13:28:19 <sbp> NO
13:28:25 <_bjoern> LOL
13:28:26 <_bjoern> "NO"
13:28:35 <sbp> NO
13:28:38 <sbp> "LOL"
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13:28:42 <Monty> bah, it's vdemeester again
13:29:07 <_bjoern> LOL, U !
13:29:09 <sbp> vdemeester: welcome TO SWHACK we are publically LOGGING YOU
13:29:24 <vdemeester> hum.. I see that ^^"
13:33:42 <sbp> salmon is ridiculously tasty when prepared properly
13:36:48 <_bjoern> you just want me to say "NO, U !" again.
13:37:52 <sbp> heh, heh
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14:07:08 <xover> Damn you Delicious Monster; where's that revolutionary new version of Delicious Library you promised us when you got delayed for over a year?
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14:08:53 <sbp> hehe
14:12:09 <sbp> @@ when http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-vocab-pub/ goes to Last Call, file a comment about 302 vs. 303
14:12:11 <supybot> sbp: Error: "@" is not a valid command.
14:12:15 <sbp> shut up supybot
14:12:17 <supybot> sbp: Error: "shut" is not a valid command.
14:12:23 <sbp> OPEN
14:13:43 <sbp> I didn't get a reply from them yet on the comment I already sent them...
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14:15:37 <Monty> it's nwalsh!
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14:33:16 <xover> .swhack Philip Pullman
14:34:00 <phenny> xover: http://swhack.com/logs/2007-10-24#T20-24-34
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14:38:03 <xover> Hmm. tobbez and AaronSw.
14:38:14 <xover> thelsdj, possibly.
14:39:12 <tobbez> Hmm?
14:39:31 <xover> All members of the Antipro Leftright Conspiracy!
14:40:07 <xover> The Godless Christian Fundamentalist Latter-Day Heathens!
14:40:45 <xover> .gc "Antipro Leftright Conspiracy"
14:40:48 <phenny> "Antipro Leftright Conspiracy": 0
14:42:00 <xover> tobbez: I bought “His Dark Materials” today, and am dreading reading them to possibly find out that they suck as much as other books acquired under similar circumstances recently.
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14:44:06 <xover> A day for ambivalence; I also bought Raymond Feist's last two thrilogies, and I fear they'll suck as much as that dross he put his name on that was based on the Midkemia video games, rather then be great like the early stuff (Riftware etc.).
14:44:35 <xover> “thrilogies”? Really xover? That's how you spell that?
14:44:54 <sbp> .ety nostril
14:44:57 <phenny> "O.E. nosþyrl, lit. 'the hole of the nose,' from nosu 'nose' + þyrel 'hole,' from þurh 'through.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=nostril
14:45:16 <sbp> þyrelogies
14:45:38 <xover> þyrelogize
14:47:19 <sbp> -ISE
14:47:36 <xover> -IZE!
14:48:01 <xover> -ICE!
14:48:02 * xover compromizes…
14:48:09 <sbp> -ICE ACCEPTED
14:48:17 * xover compromice…
14:48:35 <xover> .gc compromice
14:48:38 <phenny> compromice: 1,340
14:48:39 <sbp> computer professionals' mice
14:49:15 <xover> “compromice”, what happens when a gamer's mouse is compromised during FPS gameplay.
14:49:51 <sbp> hehe
14:52:51 <xover> Oh, btw, did you catch my latest Donaldson nugget the other day?
14:53:07 <xover> .w bourn
14:53:10 <phenny> bourn n. 1: An archaic term for a boundary
14:53:11 <xover> .ety bourn
14:53:12 <phenny> bourn n. 2: An archaic term for a goal or destination.
14:53:14 <phenny> "'small stream' (also bourne), especially of the winter torrents of the chalk downs, O.E. brunna, from P.Gmc. *brunnoz 'spring, fountain' (cf. O.H.G. brunno, O.N. brunnr, O.Fris. burna, Ger. Brunnen 'fountain,' Goth. brunna 'well'), ult. from PIE base *bhreue- 'to boil, [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=bourn
14:53:59 <xover> Used in text as “We did not extend our bourn there until …”
14:54:09 <xover> (paraphrased)
14:54:33 <sbp> ooh, nice!
14:54:56 * xover hugz Stephen Donaldson…
14:56:11 <sbp> arse, I could've sworn I made a list of the most popular SW properties
14:56:17 <sbp> would be kinda handy to use in this editor
14:56:24 <sbp> bung the most popular arcs to the top
14:57:01 <xover> Hmm. I should probably investigate BBEdit's Codeless Language Modules some time.
15:05:06 <xover> Oooh! Booxter 2.0 lets you browse your books by Tag Cloud!
15:09:31 <mini-man|zZz> woot! 1 foot of snow on the way!
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15:16:19 <xover> .gc 1 feet as meters
15:16:22 <phenny> 1 feet as meters: 7,160,000
15:16:36 <xover> .calc 1 feet as meters
15:16:39 <phenny> xover: Sorry, no result.
15:16:50 <xover> .calc 1 feet in meters
15:16:53 <phenny> 1 foot = 0.3048 meters
15:17:14 <xover> That's a “woot”able event?
15:17:51 <mini-man> yes it is
15:17:51 <sbp> south of the arctic circle, yeah
15:17:52 <mini-man> :P
15:19:35 <sbp> .unicode left arrow
15:19:38 <phenny> U+2190 LEFTWARDS ARROW (←)
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15:47:08 <Monty> welcome, nwalsh
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15:52:58 <cr`x> so
15:52:59 <cr`x> what's vim-speak for 'insert at end of document', or 'insert at new line at end of document'?
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15:56:30 <sbp> INVASION OF THE ZACHS
15:56:38 <sbp> cr`x: I probably used to know
15:56:46 <sbp> vimdoc is pretty good. going through there now?
15:57:18 <therethinker> What?
15:57:27 <cr`x> well, i wasn't; but i will now
15:57:30 * therethinker is confused
15:58:45 <sbp> cr`x: Go, perhaps?
16:00:03 <cr`x> yeah... but I feel like it could be even MORE elegant
16:00:16 <cr`x> i mean, that's three whole keystrokes, you know?
16:08:17 <cr`x> ah well. Nothing's perfect, I guess.
16:10:32 <sbp> hmm? it's two
16:10:38 <sbp> G (that's one) o (that's two)
16:11:12 <sbp> the comma was punctuation, not part of the command
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16:38:17 <cr`x> there's a shift key too, isn't there?
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16:43:54 <Monty> But what does Xanthor[aw] have to do with the price of fish?
16:43:56 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
16:44:02 <Monty> nooooo! the graphic card that are especially ones I made conditional probability theory, a provable culprit
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17:14:41 <sbp> .unicode n space
17:14:44 <phenny> U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE ( )
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20:25:25 <therethinker> .wik Test
20:25:27 <phenny> "Experiment, part of the scientific method, to verify or falsify an expectation with an observation" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test
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20:28:45 <pierpa> .ety test
20:28:47 <phenny> "c.1386, 'small vessel used in assaying precious metals,' from O.Fr. test, from L. testum 'earthen pot,' related to testa 'piece of burned clay, earthen pot, shell' (cf. L. testudo 'tortoise') and textere 'to weave' (cf. Lith. tistas 'vessel made of willow twigs;' see [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=test
20:29:16 <pierpa> ...
20:29:53 <sbp> nice sense shift
20:32:24 <pierpa> we have testo = the thing for cooking cakes, and testa = head. I did not suspect a relation to test :)
20:32:52 <pierpa> for baking cakes
20:33:25 <therethinker> I'd guess testa would be the closer word
20:34:07 <pierpa> ah, but testo and testa are related
20:34:17 <pierpa> originally was pot
20:34:36 <pierpa> and was used instead for head in jargon
20:34:54 <pierpa> nowadays the jargon became the official word for head
20:35:25 <pierpa> (that happened in italian)
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20:40:24 <pierpa> .ety exotic
20:40:26 <phenny> "1599, 'belonging to another country,' from L. exoticus, from Gk. exotikos 'foreign,' lit. 'from the outside,' from exo- 'outside,' from ex 'out of.' Sense of 'unusual, strange' first recorded in Eng. 1629, from notion of 'alien, outlandish.' In reference to [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=exotic
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20:47:39 <sbp> jQuery++
20:47:45 <sbp> it's just so good
20:49:29 <jsled> oh?
20:49:44 <jsled> in what context
20:49:44 <jsled> ?
20:49:52 <jsled> And by that I mean: LIAR!
20:50:05 <sbp> I'm currently using it in a Javascript RDF editor
20:50:28 <sbp> I need to do all kinds of stuff that jQuery just always seems to have an answer for
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20:51:29 <sbp> it's like, in the olden days you had to do five lines of exceptionally long winded DOM code to do pretty much any single action. you'd always be writing stupid wrappers all the time for things
20:52:03 <sbp> now you do shit like $('p.love').html('...'), $.post('index.cgi', callback)... it's just sublime
20:54:16 <sbp> I've had only two problems with it today, in fact:
20:54:33 <sbp> 1) .html() only returns innerHTML not outerHTML
20:54:56 <sbp> 2) visualjquery.com is bork! not jQuery's fault, but ay ay ay! at least the w.a.o version works
20:55:26 <therethinker> Hmm?
20:56:17 <sbp> I hmm at your Hmm
20:56:32 <sbp> (i.e., what?)
21:03:50 <cr`x> hm.
21:07:07 <sbp> NOT YOU TOO
21:12:01 <deltab> Mitchell and Webb sketch on ITV1 now
21:12:33 <deltab> on the variety resurrection show, Saturday Live Again
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21:18:21 <cre8radix> hmmmm
21:18:24 <cre8radix> :D
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21:22:23 <sdkay> sbp: phenny doesn't use irclib, does she?
21:25:36 <sdkay> .ety pizza
21:25:38 <phenny> "1935, from It. pizza, originally 'cake, tart, pie,' of uncertain origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=pizza
21:34:12 <glen_quagmire> .wik newton's method interpolation
21:34:15 <phenny> "In the mathematical field of numerical analysis, a Newton polynomial, named after its inventor Isaac Newton, is the interpolation polynomial for a given set of data points in the Newton form." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_polynomial
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22:06:12 <Monty> welcome, nwalsh
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22:21:47 <pierpa> .ety onion
22:21:50 <phenny> "1130, from Anglo-Fr. union, from O.Fr. oignon (formerly also oingnon), from L. unionem (nom. unio), colloquial rustic Roman for 'a kind of onion,' also 'pearl,' lit. 'one, unity;' sense connection is the successive layers of an onion, in contrast with garlic or cloves." - http://etymonline.com/?term=onion
22:22:31 <pierpa> .ety oregano
22:22:33 <phenny> "1771, from Sp./Sp. Amer. oregano, from L. origanus, origanum, from Gk. oreiganon, from oros 'mountain' (see oread) + ganos 'brightness, ornament.' The older form of the word in Eng. was the L.-derived origanum (c.1265), also origan (c.1420)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=oregano
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22:41:17 <glen_quagmire> .ety emo
22:41:20 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "emo". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=emo
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23:23:37 <xover> .w formication
23:23:40 <phenny> formication n. 1: Hallucinated sensation that insects or snakes are crawling over the skin.
23:23:50 <xover> .ety formication
23:23:53 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "formication". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=formication
23:23:59 <xover> .wik formication
23:24:02 <phenny> "Formication is an abnormal skin sensation similar to that of insects crawling over or within the skin." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formication
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