00:00:03 <libby> I was thjinig of http://www.jibble.org/pircbot.php
00:00:18 <libby> heyup ... :-)
00:00:47 <MoiraA> thanks for the link, that sounds much better all round
00:00:55 <MoiraA> :)
00:06:12 <Arnia> Lambdabot or Infinity in Haskell
00:06:31 <Arnia> supybot if you really want to enjoy complexity :)
00:06:38 * Arnia would just go with phenny personally
00:06:51 <MoiraA> we can't copy phenny though
00:06:57 <crschmidt> why not?
00:07:08 <perigrin> why not?
00:07:13 * perigrin runs a phenny
00:07:15 <MoiraA> I would hate to insult someone or have them think I've stolen their code
00:07:26 * crschmidt runs 6 phenniesys
00:07:31 <MoiraA> truthfully would sbp mind?
00:07:34 <Arnia> sbp nearly gives the code away :)
00:07:37 <crschmidt> Welcome to Open Source :)
00:07:38 <MoiraA> I wouldn't run his google module
00:07:47 <MoiraA> this guy will have to do it himself
00:07:48 * Arnia notes the debian-legal wrangles
00:07:58 <Arnia> I love the word 'wrangle'
00:07:59 <MoiraA> well, if it truly is open source ....
00:08:34 <Arnia> .g Eiffel forum site:inamidst.com
00:08:51 <phenny> Arnia: http://inamidst.com/stuff/eiffel/
00:09:19 <crschmidt> It is, yes.
00:09:45 <Arnia> although, inamidst isn't responding very quickly...
00:09:53 <MoiraA> ok cheers
00:09:58 <MoiraA> we'll give it a go
00:10:14 <crschmidt> yeah, well, the load on the machine is something like 20
00:10:16 <crschmidt> i'm working on it
00:10:21 <MoiraA> lost the wretched link to the code now
00:10:26 <MoiraA> ok
00:10:51 * tonybaloney has a machine that has that load on it :/
00:11:24 <tonybaloney> Though I think it's holding at 8 after the upgrade
00:11:35 <MoiraA> I'm ashamed to admit I don't know what a load of 20 means :(
00:11:40 <MoiraA> 20 MB?
00:11:47 <MoiraA> GB?
00:11:56 <crschmidt> 20 processes waiting for resources
00:12:15 <MoiraA> ah cheers
00:12:33 <crschmidt> should be better now
00:12:35 <crschmidt> phenny: help?
00:12:37 <phenny> Hi, I'm phenny (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
00:12:40 <phenny> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, compare, email, event, gimage, google, googlecalc, googlecount, googledef, googlesplat, httphead, kalusa, mangle, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, rate, rates, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
00:12:44 <phenny> Try "phenny: help command?" if stuck. My owner is sbp.
00:12:45 <MoiraA> aha
00:12:47 <MoiraA> cheers
00:12:51 * Arnia tries to work out how to implement the junction tree algorithm for Bayesian belief networks in Haskell
00:13:00 <MoiraA> thank you
00:13:08 <MoiraA> sounds complex Arnia
00:13:51 <Arnia> yes, it is
00:13:52 <Arnia> bah
00:14:01 <Arnia> Why do I always pick the tricky things?
00:14:15 <MoiraA> sounds hard on the brain for half one in the morning
00:14:36 <Arnia> I had a nap
00:15:18 <MoiraA> ah right
00:15:30 <MoiraA> and I'm off work on the sick so bedtimes don't matter
00:15:44 <tonybaloney> phenny: help remind
00:15:46 <phenny> "tell <nick> <blargh> - I'll remind nick about blargh."
00:16:20 <Arnia> phenny, tell Monty to tell phenny to tell me what I'm doing
00:16:22 <phenny> Arnia: I'll pass that on when monty is around.
00:16:23 <Monty> if (hubcaps == pubic lice) { foam delights killfiled butthole;}
00:16:24 <Monty> assess asses asess (54,000)
00:16:25 <phenny> Monty: 01:35Z <Arnia> tell Monty to tell phenny to tell me what I'm doing
00:16:30 <Monty> "Royal Society for that was exploring, that's put data is/would be handled formally by draw?
00:17:00 <tonybaloney> Hmm, fun triggering bots :)
00:19:57 <tonybaloney> Monty: help
00:19:57 <Monty> Help: I understand the following commands: help save stats time lookup thesaurus foldoc ignore remind tell whatson random countdown google seen box javadoc acronym weather insult translate paper/scissors/stone calc day define/declare/set
00:19:58 <Monty> Help: To ask me for help about a certain command, try "Monty: help <command>"
00:20:26 <tonybaloney> Monty: insult
00:21:01 <tonybaloney> hmm, didn't do anything
00:21:11 <tonybaloney> Monty: help insult
00:21:11 <Monty> Help: "Monty: insult me"
00:21:27 <tonybaloney> Monty: insult tony
00:21:30 <tonybaloney> Monty: insult tonybaloney
00:21:30 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
00:21:33 <Monty> Oooh, yeah, 'twas with belongings of URIs-as-identity with gunpowder doesn't make it... freakin FB wasn't responding.
00:21:44 <tonybaloney> Monty: insult me
00:22:18 <tonybaloney> hmmm
00:22:25 * tonybaloney wonders what Monty is doing
00:22:25 <Monty> according to shoot you think of somebodys, assigns them are counting their employees.
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00:23:06 <tonybaloney> Well, Monty that's about all the former employers of a good friend omf mine can do: count their employees
00:23:07 <Monty> (via BB)
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00:24:26 <tonybaloney> Monty: help random
00:24:27 <Monty> Help: "Monty: random [max int value]"
00:24:36 <tonybaloney> Monty: random 20
00:24:36 <Monty> Random number: 18
00:28:13 <MoiraA> heh does anyone know where I can find the phenny code?
00:28:26 <MoiraA> phenny: where's your code
00:28:59 <MoiraA> dammit I lost the bookmark
00:29:21 <Arnia> http://inamidst.com/phenny/
00:29:35 <crschmidt> phenny: help?
00:29:37 <phenny> Hi, I'm phenny (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
00:29:40 <phenny> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, compare, email, event, gimage, google, googlecalc, googlecount, googledef, googlesplat, httphead, kalusa, mangle, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, rate, rates, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
00:29:41 <crschmidt> Didn't I just do this like, 10 lines ago? :p
00:29:44 <phenny> Try "phenny: help command?" if stuck. My owner is sbp.
00:30:53 <MoiraA> oh sorry crschmidt if I missed it
00:31:01 <MoiraA> I'm just useless
00:31:08 <MoiraA> phenny: help
00:31:11 <phenny> Hi, I'm phenny (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
00:31:14 <phenny> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, compare, email, event, gimage, google, googlecalc, googlecount, googledef, googlesplat, httphead, kalusa, mangle, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, rate, rates, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
00:31:17 <phenny> Try "phenny: help command?" if stuck. My owner is sbp.
00:31:18 <MoiraA> aha
00:31:26 <MoiraA> yep
00:31:29 <MoiraA> staring me in the face
00:31:30 <MoiraA> sorry
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00:42:42 <shminux> phenny: help myersbriggs
00:42:44 <phenny> '.myersbriggs - Find your Myers-Briggs Type.'
00:43:16 <tonybaloney> phenny: help tock
00:43:18 <phenny> '.tock - Return the time from the USNO Master Clock.'
00:43:25 <tonybaloney> .tock
00:43:27 <phenny> "Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:02:54 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
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00:48:24 <tonybaloney> I think I found a replacement for ntp :)
00:48:51 <tonybaloney> It gets sporadically blocked on my neighbor's connection
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01:21:37 <chandler> .myersbriggs
01:21:39 <JibbyBot> chandler: Your Myers-Briggs type is ISFJ
01:21:39 <phenny> chandler: Your Myers-Briggs type is ISFJ
01:22:06 <chandler> Um...
01:30:49 <Arnia> .myersbriggs
01:30:51 <JibbyBot> Arnia: Your Myers-Briggs type is ENTP
01:30:51 <phenny> Arnia: Your Myers-Briggs type is ENTP
01:30:57 <Arnia> ...
01:31:06 <Arnia> I always get ENTP :p
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01:37:14 <Arnia> .title http://compscigail.blogspot.com/2008/01/street-selection-and-self-organizing.html
01:37:17 <phenny> Arnia: The Female Perspective of Computer Science: Street Selection and Self-Organizing Maps
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01:50:25 <Tene> Arnia: what part of that analysis is female-oriented?
01:52:32 <ido> woooo
01:59:08 <Arnia> Tene: just the name of her blog... she's an advocate of increasing the number of women in computer science and programming
01:59:54 <shminux> makes sense
02:00:01 <shminux> male geeks need company
02:00:17 <Arnia> Haha http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=134340&postcount=3
02:01:05 <Arnia> shminux: I already have plenty of company... granted I don't generally go for other computer scientists (far too much like bringing work home with one)
02:01:40 <shminux> maybe you are a lucky exception, assuming you are a male geek
02:02:21 <Arnia> Actually, my general preference is for other natural philosophers
02:02:46 * shminux wonders where to start in order to add sqlite support to phenny
02:02:59 <Arnia> shminux: I'm male, but I'm not sure I'm a geek. I'm a semanticist, whether that makes a difference
02:03:19 <shminux> .wik semanticist
02:03:22 <phenny> "Semantics (Greek sēmantikos, giving signs, significant, symptomatic meaning, from sēma (σῆμα), sign) refers to aspects of meaning, as expressed in language or other systems of signs." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semanticist
02:04:02 <Arnia> shminux: well, there are sqlite bindings for python, so you can just use them in any module you wish to write
02:04:19 <Arnia> shminux: http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.r.c.geldart/research/
02:11:50 <shminux> fancy
02:14:56 <shminux> although the Computational Cognition thing doesn't sound very promising
02:16:14 <Arnia> shminux: why not? Producing computational models of cognitive processes is an important way to understand more about how these processes work
02:16:50 <Arnia> shminux: it is no different really to producing calculus models... except the domain is too complicated to state the behaviour in simple closed-form equations
02:16:58 <Arnia> (so you simulate instead)
02:17:09 <shminux> since the human mind is a thin shell above the vast and mysterious subconsciousness
02:20:35 <shminux> then again, I haven't read your paper
02:21:48 <Arnia> shminux: uh... we know a hell of a lot about how the brain works. Consciousness is tiny, yes, but that doesn't mean we don't understand how the rest of it works to a large degree
02:22:24 <shminux> well, my education does not go far past the old book From Neuron to Brain
02:23:26 <Arnia> shminux: the problem is mostly in working out how to properly model what we see in the experimental data. That requires a modelling logic which works similarly to how the brain does
02:23:34 <Arnia> shminux: and that's what I'm interested in
02:23:52 <shminux> well, building models and testing them is what science is
02:24:10 <Arnia> what physical science is
02:24:11 <shminux> natural sciences, anyhow
02:24:27 <Arnia> computational and mathematical sciences work a little differently and have different procedures
02:24:34 <shminux> indeed
02:24:47 <shminux> but you are talking about brain
02:24:52 <Arnia> What I'm interested in is the construction of a language for talking about cognitive models
02:25:22 <Arnia> Because the brain, as a domain, is intractable to analyse in a first-order formalism
02:25:41 <Arnia> (you have to specify the whole damn thing a priori)
02:26:44 <shminux> not surprising
02:27:26 <shminux> 100 million years of evolution is hard to replace with a set of clear instructions
02:28:41 <Arnia> so, the idea is to allow limited higher-order specification (so being able to talk about repeating patterns) and also rolling all the matter of uncertainty into an abstraction rather than modelling the chemical process of adaptation inside the network model
02:29:31 <Arnia> This can be thought of as 'porting' the mind from the platform of a biological neural network to a machine model
02:29:36 <shminux> "rolling all the matter of uncertainty into an abstraction"?
02:30:08 <Arnia> Some are trying the opposite tack though and actually emulating the natural neural network... both will probably lead to a lot of insights however
02:30:23 <Arnia> shminux: the brain has a higher (second) order uncertain reasoning process
02:30:30 <Arnia> Well, actually, two reasoning processes
02:30:37 <shminux> two?
02:31:28 <Arnia> Yes. One is broad, shallow and reactive and called the intuitive process. One is narrow, deep and directed and called the deductive process
02:31:41 <Arnia> They work in competition to each other in a sense
02:31:53 <shminux> not in conjunction?
02:31:56 <Arnia> The shallow process is the default (and what is called the 'subconscious' or 'unconscious')
02:32:50 <Arnia> The deep process is called in as a result of attention focus either to answer specific and immediate questions, or to break grid-locks in the shallow reasoning process
02:33:04 <Arnia> (grid-lock as in opposed to dead-locks or live-locks in a concurrency sense)
02:33:57 <Arnia> shminux: there are strong 'resource' limits in the brain which prevent much shallow reasoning occurring in an area whilst deep reasoning is happening (although some does occur)
02:34:45 <Arnia> Deep reasoning generally only runs in one particular area for a few seconds though (so about 50 to 150 cycles, if that)
02:34:55 <shminux> and all these models have been tested?
02:35:04 <Arnia> Yeah
02:35:16 <Arnia> Reams of experimental data in the cognitive science literature
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02:35:49 <shminux> interesting
02:36:43 <Arnia> Some computational models have been developed, but they're generally either very simple or simply assume a boolean semantics (which is in contradiction to the radial categorisation we observe)
02:37:40 <Arnia> The idea is to try and find a middle ground... a modelling language which fits between the raw neural-assembly level (one level up from the neurone level) and the 'logical' view
02:38:25 <shminux> is there a good description of the neural assembly level
02:38:30 <shminux> ?
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02:41:01 <Arnia> shminux: uh, there is a book but I can't remember the reference (been years since I read it)
02:41:09 * Arnia tries to work it out
02:41:58 <shminux> how can you work on the middle ground without the interface to the underlying level?
02:43:01 <Arnia> Same way all modelling abstractions work. You figure out what elements of the underlying level are behaviourally important and represent those in your model
02:43:53 <Arnia> In the case of the neural assembly model, what's important about it is that links between assemblies are characterised by a form of interval-valued weight
02:44:13 <shminux> gah
02:44:28 <shminux> interval-valued weight?
02:45:26 <Arnia> Ok... instead of saying that the weight between A and B is 0.7 (say) the weight says that it is between 0.6 and 0.8
02:46:09 <Arnia> The rules for combining these intervals (the sum and product operations) should reflect the size of the interval
02:46:50 <Arnia> (think of the size of the interval as measuring the 'ignorance' one has about the link... the more evidence, i.e. the more times the link has been reweighted, one has the smaller the interval width)
02:49:28 <shminux> oh, my brain... she can't handle any more deep thinking today :(
02:49:45 <shminux> deep reasoning*
02:50:12 <Arnia> Welcome to Swhack :)
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02:55:28 <_bjoern> You call your brain a she?
02:57:16 <Arnia> This looks good
02:57:18 <Arnia> .title http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WJCX18/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
02:57:24 <phenny> Arnia: Amazon.com: ScanSnap S510M Instant PDF Sheet-Fed Scanner: Electronics
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03:17:23 <Monty> hi patbam, how ya doing?
03:17:25 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
03:17:30 <Monty> "Seamus Justin Heaney (IPA: [??pla??n.kal.ky??l], German, 'Plan Calculus') is there ya
03:17:37 <_bjoern> Monty, 42 is 23
03:17:40 <Monty> first-class pitch-fork plays with nutritive pap.
03:17:54 <_bjoern> Monty, yeah, but how do you relate to that?
03:17:58 <Monty> IMHO, Giraffes belongs to pseudo-neolithic Charles Kennedy...
03:18:10 <_bjoern> Monty, and if it does not?
03:18:13 <Monty> lol im a buzz :) Read it reflashed perhaps?
03:18:21 <_bjoern> Monty, :-)
03:18:24 <Monty> magnifies empirical happy bricks.
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04:00:14 <Arnia> I think I've determined a new workflow to try and get my life in order so that I can write this damned thesis
04:01:40 <Arnia> I'm going to wipe the hard disk and start from scratch. Firstly, I'm going to give up on any idea of a taxonomy arrangement for my files. I'm explicitly rejecting the notion. Instead I'm going to have a collection of folders under Documents which hold given sorts of document.
04:02:50 <Arnia> I plan to use smart folders and tags to allow me to spontaneously create views for particular projects... so I can tag a particular document as being part of several different projects and it will show up in all of them
04:04:36 <Arnia> Secondly, I'll use automator workflows more to automate certain tasks (like pulling in the latest articles from journals I'm interested in)
04:05:48 <Arnia> Once I've gotten my Iliad, I'll set up a 'dropbox' as a share to sync with the Iliad, so that all relevant documents for the day are loaded onto the ebook reader in the morning
04:06:23 <Arnia> When I back sync, I'll have the annotations I've made be merged in with the PDF.
04:06:48 <crschmidt> What's an Iliad?
04:06:53 <crschmidt> Oh, maybe a PDA-like device.
04:06:56 <Arnia> .g Irex Iliad
04:06:58 <phenny> Arnia: http://www.irextechnologies.com/products/iliad
04:07:06 <Arnia> e-ink electronic book device
04:07:10 * crschmidt nods
04:07:27 <Arnia> I need something to save my eyes which I can hold like a book and take around with me
04:08:18 <Arnia> (I do most of my reading sitting in pubs, cafés or on the riverbanks so a laptop isn't always practical and is damned uncomfortable for long reads)
04:08:19 <patbam> alternatively start writing the thesis :)
04:08:53 <Arnia> patbam: well, I get distracted too easily... and my current set up means I spend more time thinking about where to put things than actually using them
04:09:24 <Arnia> patbam: I'll never get it done if I keep context shifting, which is what I'm doing constantly atm
04:10:22 <patbam> Arnia: believe me, i understand the problem. i was only being a theoretical devil's advocate, hehe.
04:11:14 <Arnia> Anyway, I'm thinking about using a tool like Midnight Inbox to let me dump all my planning out of my head, and perhaps buying a ScanSnap to let me easily take all the meeting notes, bank statements, etc. which accrue and stress me and put them into folders on the computer
04:11:46 <kpreid> cruel accrue
04:12:03 <patbam> the closest thing i have to that approach is a moleskine
04:12:26 <Arnia> patbam: I have so many notebooks... and I tend to mislay them as well :/
04:12:48 <Arnia> I think best when sketching... so I end up with mountains of unorganised paper which I can't find things in
04:13:51 <patbam> Arnia: yeah i had that problem too. now simply carry around a single notebook everywhere and i never write on *anything* else
04:14:01 <patbam> when it is almost filled up, i buy a new one.
04:14:11 <Arnia> I've been thinking quite a lot about what makes me disorganised. I'm very absent-minded and very easily distracted, I tend to put filing off, I find it difficult to choose between tasks to do.
04:14:33 <patbam> filing sucks
04:15:01 <Arnia> I also am finding reading on a computer screen increasingly uncomfortable, and my optician recommends I try and do as little of it as possible
04:15:11 <Arnia> (hence the outlay for an e-ink device)
04:15:28 <patbam> yeah, not a bad idea.
04:15:41 <patbam> i've gotten to where i rarely take my laptop anywhere
04:16:02 <patbam> but i'm so addicted to computing that i find myself scribbling out code by hand in my notebook
04:17:22 <Arnia> hehe... I do that sometimes, generally only as an aide to visualising what's happening in a particular complicated algorithm though
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04:20:05 <Arnia> Anyway, I'm hoping to be able to eliminate the filing problems using Spotlight and the ScanSnap
04:20:37 <Arnia> Bank statement in, PDF (OCRd) out and sorted into the right folder
04:20:53 <Arnia> (which isn't hard, since there are so few folders)
04:21:17 <Arnia> If I need to see all my bank statements I can just use a spotlight search for 'NatWest'
04:23:24 <Arnia> This all seems like the path of least resistance for me given the way my head works... will be interesting to see how well it pans out in practice
04:23:52 <xover> Have you tried Yojimbo?
04:25:25 * Arnia is a DevonThink man ;)
04:25:32 <xover> ah
04:26:18 <patbam> my bank statements go directly into the circular file
04:26:18 <Arnia> Although I'd prefer to have all this happening with Finder
04:26:37 <Arnia> That way all applications can benefit
04:26:43 <Arnia> (yay smart folders)
04:27:18 <Arnia> hey, with SpotlightFS I should even be able to have LaTeX cope with this arrangement
04:27:29 <Arnia> (possibly...)
04:29:30 <Arnia> One thing I'm thinking about is using Automator to grab RSS feeds I'm watching and generating a PDF which I can then simply read each day on the iliad
04:30:23 <Arnia> (actually, that's almost how I intend to do the journal article thing...)
04:31:33 <patbam> i've thought about doing something similar. an rss newspaper
04:33:02 <Arnia> Feedbooks is doing something like it
04:33:22 <Arnia> But I suspect Automator is good enough, and doesn't require me to fiddle around with a third-party website
04:36:23 <Arnia> I really need to wipe and reinstall this system though... in spite of the headaches that will cause in terms of settings etc
04:37:12 <Arnia> (I have managed to comprehensively break Java, Python and Ruby through monkey-patching when I first got the system)
04:39:54 <cr`x> �
04:40:42 <Arnia> should be fun getting all this working :p
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04:45:08 <Arnia> Anyone have any suggestions or comments about my proposed workflow? Any ideas how to smooth it even more?
04:46:20 <xover> «You know that game "Telephone" where one kid whispers something into another kid's ear and it goes down the line until at the end it's completely different? I think that's what this is. A crazy game of Telephone that's taken place over 60 years in one man's mind.»
04:46:52 <cr`x> they call it chinese whispers in his country
04:49:28 <xover> «This is not for publication.» «Are you crazy? This is ABSOLUTELY for publication. The only reason the internet exists is for this conversation to be on it!»
04:49:44 <cr`x> i'm getting the idea that i should start experimenting with altrnative shells
04:49:49 <cr`x> please, somebody stop me
04:50:36 <Arnia> cr`x: try the MUD shell
04:50:41 <Tene> cr`x: stay away from zsh.
04:50:51 <cr`x> i'm looking at esh
04:52:14 <xover> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/03/surprising-origins-o.html
04:52:16 <phenny> xover: Surprising origins of a face drawing - Boing Boing
04:57:57 <xover> .title http://www.markstoryphotography.com/
04:58:00 <phenny> xover: Mark Story Photography | Living in Three Centuries : The Face of Age | B&W Portraits
04:58:39 <xover> Holy Shit! Those photographs look like highly realistic cartoon charicatures!
05:01:01 <xover> .title http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/01/03/dell-crystal-lcd-mon.html
05:01:04 <phenny> xover: Dell Crystal LCD Monitor - Boing Boing Gadgets
05:01:19 <xover> Design? From Dell!?!? And it ain't half bad, to boot.
05:03:27 <xover> Note to self: On WIndows, "shutdown /h" does *not* mean “Show me the usage help”.
05:05:00 <crschmidt> heh, heh
05:05:01 <cr`x> .̌
05:05:06 <cr`x> ǰ
05:05:23 <crschmidt> Is this kind of like "On Solaris, 'killall' really does mean kill *all*'?
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05:06:45 <cr`x> you gotta admit though, whoever decided that (our) killall was gonna be called killall made a very questionable decision
05:07:41 <xover> kill -9 1
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05:13:54 <xover> phenny: tell sbp http://www.gameledge.com/2008/01/03/cvg-interview-with-charles-martinet/
05:13:55 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
05:31:15 <Arnia> xover: http://reinventedsoftware.com/together/
05:35:14 <Arnia> Oh good grief... http://ismileys.free.fr/moreichateffects/index.html
05:49:11 <xover> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/03/edison-electrocuted.html
05:49:14 <phenny> xover: Edison electrocuted an elephant 105 years ago today - Boing Boing
05:49:23 <xover> Against animal testing?
05:50:08 <xover> Arnia: ta. Looks interesting.
05:51:09 <Arnia> phenny: tell sbp about http://www.serpentine.com/blog/2008/01/03/llvm-bindings-for-haskell/ for a possible route to implementing Pluvo as a compiled system
05:51:12 <phenny> Arnia: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
05:51:29 <_bjoern> Those damn elephants are with the terrorists
05:52:07 <Arnia> phenny: tell sbp that it supports JIT compilation if one wants something akin to an interpreted feel, but can also target static compilation if one wants
05:52:09 <phenny> Arnia: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
05:52:35 <xover> Are the elephants helping fight the War on Terror? No. Hence, as with all not With Us, they are Against Us. Hence they are Terrorists. QED.
05:53:16 <_bjoern> So who thinks I'm still sufficiently sober to find my bank and transfer the rent?
05:53:28 * _bjoern does not raise hand, but hopes for others
05:53:29 * Arnia doesn't raise his hand
05:53:38 <Arnia> damnit, you're too fast :p
05:54:00 <_bjoern> despite being d^Hso sober! :-D
05:54:15 <Arnia> This is fun: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/math_science/graphsketcher.html
05:57:34 <Arnia> hm, and this is interesting: http://www.imathgeo.com/
05:58:43 <_bjoern> I have successfully located pants and bank stuff
05:59:30 <_bjoern> Also located a mirror. Not a good sight.
06:00:43 <_bjoern> found a jacket. hope this is mine. If I find shoes, I'm ready to go!
06:01:36 <_bjoern> closing jacket was kinda difficult, but I have my shoes.
06:01:45 <_bjoern> You've "all" been so wrong!
06:01:49 * _bjoern leaves
06:02:57 <_bjoern> okay walking is kinda tricky but ill manage
06:03:24 <xover> Did you remember to put down the laptop?
06:03:33 <xover> Or at least to take out the power cord?
06:08:03 <Arnia> This is an interesting idea: http://homepage.mac.com/chilton/Conjure/Conjure.html
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06:27:08 <_bjoern> hahaha pwnd
06:27:12 <_bjoern> alll donee
06:44:22 <xover> .w bluff
06:44:25 <phenny> bluff n. 1: A high steep bank (usually formed by river erosion)
06:44:27 <phenny> bluff v. 1: Deceive an opponent by a bold bet on an inferior hand with the result that the opponent withdraws a winning hand
06:44:29 <phenny> bluff a. 1: Very steep.
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07:51:57 <Monty> welcome, darobin
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07:55:26 <darobin> hey Monty!
07:55:30 <Monty> if (cousin == aubergine) { groupware has a fight with obnoxious computer;}
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08:04:44 <sbp> yo
08:04:46 <phenny> sbp: 06:33Z <xover> tell sbp http://www.gameledge.com/2008/01/03/cvg-interview-with-charles-martinet/
08:04:50 <phenny> sbp: 07:10Z <Arnia> tell sbp about http://www.serpentine.com/blog/2008/01/03/llvm-bindings-for-haskell/ for a possible route to implementing Pluvo as a compiled system
08:04:53 <phenny> sbp: 07:11Z <Arnia> tell sbp that it supports JIT compilation if one wants something akin to an interpreted feel, but can also target static compilation if one wants
08:08:13 <sbp> Conjure is interesting
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08:16:55 <sbp> "I think that's what this is. A crazy game of Telephone that's taken place over 60 years in one man's mind." - http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/000715.php
08:24:36 <sbp> .gc "Slawomir J. Borowy"
08:24:39 <phenny> "Slawomir J. Borowy": 18
08:27:54 * sbp reads http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7170954.stm
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08:32:59 <sbp> the last two questions on http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7049207.stm are interesting
08:34:23 <sbp> so it looks like the race is out of Obama, Edwards, Clinton, Juckabee, or Romney
08:34:46 <sbp> with Thomson, McCain, and Ron Paul being outside chances
08:34:53 <sbp> er, Huckabee even
08:35:04 <sbp> we let Google decide!
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08:35:26 <sbp> .compare "President Obama" "President Edwards" "President Hilary Clinton" "President Huckabee" "President Romney"
08:35:30 <phenny> "President Edwards" (76,900), "President Obama" (58,400), "President Huckabee" (30,600), "President Romney" (22,800), "President Hilary Clinton" (2,810)
08:35:34 <_bjoern> Above the sun, sbp!
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08:36:07 <sbp> ...hello
08:36:16 * sbp peers at http://swhack.com/tail/above%20the%20sun
08:36:45 <sbp> seems like http://swhack.com/logs/2006-09-13#T14-17-00 was the inaugural use
08:37:12 <sbp> top result:
08:37:12 <sbp> BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | 'Pipe organ' plays above the Sun
08:37:12 <sbp> Immense coils of hot plasma on the atmosphere of the Sun behave like a musical instrument, scientists say.
08:37:12 <sbp> news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6574059.stm
08:38:04 <_bjoern> Goes like this:
08:38:08 <_bjoern> <DANIEL> No. Something tells me this is not the same people who built a spaceship capable of traveling across the universe.
08:38:09 <_bjoern> <MALE VILLAGER> Above the sun! Harrid! Sallis!
08:38:09 <_bjoern> [Daniel and Vala look up to see a young couple waving to them from a second story walkway.]
08:38:09 <_bjoern> <VALA (to Daniel)> What?
08:38:09 <_bjoern> <DANIEL> Uh, I think that means good morning.
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08:38:34 <Monty> But what does pierpa have to do with the price of fish?
08:38:36 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
08:38:40 <Monty> http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/tv/2007/03/john_inman_a_gay_icon.html
08:38:45 <_bjoern> [Daniel cautiously smiles and nods. The couple nod back.]
08:38:45 <_bjoern> <DANIEL (appearing as Harrid, waving)> Above the sun to you.
08:38:47 <darobin> sbp: it's too early to make those predictions
08:39:03 <darobin> Clinton (Bill) lost both Iowa and NH when he ran
08:39:11 <_bjoern> [Daniel and Vala adopt vacant fake smiles.]
08:39:11 <_bjoern> <VALA (low to Daniel, still smiling)> "Above the sun?"
08:39:11 <_bjoern> <DANIEL (low to Vala)> I think he's speaking Ancient. I think the communicator's translating for us.
08:39:28 <sbp> hehe. you've been ignored every single time you've said it, except one:
08:39:35 <sbp> 17:59:02 <bjoern_> Above the sun, sbp!
08:39:35 <sbp> 17:59:25 <sbp> BENEATH THE SKY
08:39:36 <sbp> - http://swhack.com/logs/2006-09-13#T17-59-02
08:39:45 <darobin> Giulani didn't invest in Iowa at all, he's betting on the big city states
08:39:55 <_bjoern> Actually, the link you posted
08:39:56 <_bjoern> 14:17:00 <bjoern_> Above the sun, redmonk!
08:39:56 <_bjoern> 14:17:24 <redmonk> below the sky, bjoern_ !
08:40:03 <sbp> oh, hmm
08:40:42 <sbp> darobin: well yeah, I'm still including guys who lost
08:40:50 <sbp> I'm not including anyone who got less than 10%
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08:42:06 <darobin> Giulani got 3%, but I wouldn't count him out just yet
08:42:19 <sbp> I'm going to
08:42:28 <sbp> Giuliani will not be President
08:42:32 <darobin> as you wish
08:42:41 <sbp> he will FAIL
08:42:42 <darobin> I sure hope he won't
08:42:53 <darobin> but then again, he's one of the least crazy Republicans
08:42:54 <sbp> you don't want Ron Paul to win?
08:43:02 <_bjoern> Are they putting him in jail and people in jail can't run?
08:43:13 <_bjoern> I's pretty sure someone ran from jail.
08:43:13 <darobin> a Paul-Giuliani ticket would be fun
08:43:19 <sbp> I thought most g33kzorz like us wanted Ron Paul to win
08:43:20 <_bjoern> no it would not.
08:43:38 <darobin> well, it would amuse me, and amusement is fun
08:43:54 <darobin> I'd think geekz would want Admiral Obama
08:43:56 <_bjoern> I'd rather have a .be situation over there.
08:44:09 <darobin> they did that once seven years ago
08:44:10 <sbp> out of the Republicans, I mean
08:44:13 <darobin> it didn't end well
08:44:14 <sbp> not to be President
08:44:20 <darobin> ah
08:44:25 <sbp> no g33etc. would want any Republican to be President
08:44:25 <darobin> yeah
08:44:32 <darobin> right
08:44:34 <sbp> but like, if you had to choose
08:44:34 <darobin> well....
08:44:42 <darobin> yeah, probably Paul I guess
08:44:47 <sbp> well unless Lincoln ran again
08:44:58 <darobin> now that would kick arse
08:45:04 <darobin> Lincoln v Jefferson
08:45:07 <sbp> I think they'd amend the constitution for him if he wanted to run again
08:45:09 <sbp> bwahaha
08:45:11 <sbp> that would be great
08:45:13 <sbp> bloody hell
08:45:20 <darobin> SMACKDOWN!!!
08:45:20 <sbp> they should do that
08:45:30 <darobin> yeah, they really should
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08:46:42 <darobin> on second thought, I'm going to go for Giuliani over Paul
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08:47:24 <_bjoern> It's really important to me whether Kang or Kodos rules a fictional state.
08:47:45 <sbp> me too
08:47:53 <darobin> on the Paul side: withdrawal from NATO % the UN, supply-side economics, against the Fed, pro-life
08:47:53 <sbp> I think the kang thing yesterday is a sign
08:48:49 <_bjoern> I was asking you about that
08:48:59 <sbp> yeah, I saw
08:49:05 <darobin> on the Giuliani side: http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/Giuliani-In-Drag.htm
08:49:10 <sbp> I pay attention to mah homiez
08:49:38 <sbp> well except darobin from now on
08:49:41 <sbp> for having shown me that
08:49:45 <_bjoern> I am still shocked Patrick Stewart played Cheney once.
08:49:52 <darobin> sbp: :)
08:50:05 <darobin> as in enacted him?
08:50:08 <sbp> I want him to reform with Monty Python
08:50:11 <darobin> or say, played him at poker
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08:50:15 <Monty> no it feels bad to have as far is weird algebra should evaluate new phone, checking their jobs absent some response ... do have Location:
08:50:20 <_bjoern> Yes, that'd be a good idea.
08:50:25 <_bjoern> Very good idea.
08:51:02 <_bjoern> So long as Tasha Yar remains dead, I'm pretty happy with all things Stewart.
08:51:08 <sbp> [blackmen whitewomen] led 217.219.*.* to http://inamidst.com/notes/denhamtext
08:51:30 <_bjoern> you should upload some p3on to ur site.
08:51:35 <sbp> I heard him speak in his normal voice only the other day
08:51:47 <sbp> it's so different from his Picard voice
08:51:54 <sbp> .g p3on
08:51:57 <phenny> sbp: http://p3on.stumbleupon.com/about/
08:52:17 <_bjoern> scary
08:52:18 <sbp> what, like the very disturbing photo on there?
08:52:41 <_bjoern> He likes Iceland. Go figure.
08:52:45 <sbp> chuckle
08:53:57 <_bjoern> .t
08:53:59 <phenny> Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:13:43 GMT
08:54:35 <_bjoern> Happy eleventh night and tenth day of Christmas!
08:55:48 <_bjoern> .gs und wenn das fünfte lichtlein brennt, dann hast du *
08:55:51 <phenny> weihnachten (31), weih
08:56:02 <_bjoern> .gs und wenn das fünfte lichtlein brennt, dann hast du weihnachten *
08:56:04 <phenny> verpennt (30), verpen
08:56:51 <sbp> and to you
08:57:03 <sbp> what should we do on the Twelfth Night?
08:57:33 <_bjoern> .wik Twelfth Night (holiday)
08:57:35 <phenny> "Twelfth Night is a holiday in some branches of Christianity marking the coming of the Epiphany, concluding the Twelve Days of Christmas, and is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as 'the evening of the fifth of January, preceding Twelfth Day, the eve of the [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Night_(holiday)
08:57:49 <sbp> it'll be Old Christmas Day soon!
08:57:55 <sbp> .wik Old Christmas Day
08:57:59 <phenny> "Christmas is an annual holiday that celebrates the birth of Jesus." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas
08:58:00 <darobin> twelfth
08:58:03 <sbp> BAD WIKIPEDIA
08:58:06 <darobin> such a lovely word
08:58:15 <_bjoern> "The foods and drink are the center of the celebrations in modern times"
08:58:24 <_bjoern> EAT and DRINK! I can do that!
08:58:39 <_bjoern> Why doesn't it mention hookers?
08:59:08 <sbp> ah, here we go:
08:59:13 <sbp> .title http://www.christmas-time.com/cp-old.html
08:59:16 <phenny> sbp: Christmas History - Old Christmas Day
08:59:25 <sbp> basically Christmas Day for people who refused to move to the Gregorian calendar
08:59:33 <sbp> it's also Sandy Denny's birthday
09:00:19 <_bjoern> "The visit of the Magi is commemorated by Catholics and other Christian churches (but not the Eastern Orthodox) on the observance of Epiphany, January 6." - Yeah, like here. Suckingly it's a sunday.
09:00:39 <darobin> we eat special cake that day
09:00:41 <sbp> heh
09:00:41 <darobin> it's good cake
09:00:51 <sbp> in the UK we do nothing, which sucks balls
09:00:53 <darobin> one of the best contributions of christianity to mankind
09:00:58 <sbp> because it's an awesome day
09:01:31 <darobin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_cake
09:01:56 <darobin> the Louisiana-style one looks scary though
09:01:59 <sbp> I'm going to put down the non-observance of a 6th January holiday to being an American abberation, and eschew it this year. this year, 6th January is a super-yi-esque partai
09:02:16 <darobin> the really good one is http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galette_des_Rois
09:02:32 <sbp> "The cakes have a small trinket (usually a small plastic Baby Jesus) inside, and the person who gets the piece of cake with the trinket has various privileges and obligations."
09:02:37 <darobin> sbp: come to France and have some galette!
09:02:39 <danja> .wik befana
09:02:42 <phenny> "La Befana is a character in Italian folklore, similar to Saint Nicholas or Santa Claus." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befana
09:02:47 <_bjoern> Does it cry?
09:02:59 <darobin> no, and it rarely is a baby jesus
09:03:13 <danja> .ety befana
09:03:15 <darobin> also, it's usually ceramic, not plastic
09:03:15 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "befana". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=befana
09:03:58 <sbp> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Twelfth001.jpg
09:04:47 <darobin> so you gather to beat a clown to death?
09:04:49 <darobin> CAN I COME?
09:06:47 <_bjoern> So, being seriously non-sober and having done all my banking, I think I'll try to find my bed and lead it to it's full^W partial potential.
09:07:42 <darobin> partial potential? wanking?
09:08:03 <_bjoern> you'd hope
09:08:12 <darobin> well not really in fact
09:08:36 * darobin goes to buy some cake
09:09:49 <sbp> heh, there should be a term for getting distracted by Wikipedia
09:10:11 <sbp> hmm, so today is the day before Old Christmas Eve
09:10:19 <_bjoern> .gc wikipedified
09:10:23 <phenny> wikipedified: 58
09:10:24 <_bjoern> .gc wikipaedified
09:10:26 <phenny> wikipaedified: 0
09:10:52 <sbp> I was hoping for something with "vortex" in it
09:11:01 <_bjoern> Your pillow sbp.
09:11:11 <sbp> your pillow!
09:11:20 <_bjoern> Wipaevortexified.
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09:18:03 <danja> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWAkf-0aTdY
09:18:06 <phenny> danja: YouTube - Lostwithiel Giants New Year 2008
09:18:54 <danja> "it's a ritual thing" says me brother
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09:19:53 <danja> looks a bit dull, actually...
09:27:51 <darobin> danja: what's dull here could be the highlight of the year in Cornwall
09:28:03 <darobin> .ety vortex
09:28:05 <phenny> "1652, 'whirlpool, eddying mass,' from L. vortex, variant of vertex 'an eddy of water, wind, or flame; whirlpool; whirlwind,' from stem of vertere 'to turn' (see versus)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=vortex
09:28:21 <darobin> eddying
09:28:25 <darobin> wikipeddied
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09:34:20 <sbp> chuckle
09:35:06 <darobin> if only in the hope that someone might bring back "eddies, in the space-time continuum" / "Oh.... Is he?"
09:35:28 <sbp> we here in Swhack don't forget that
09:35:37 <darobin> naturally
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09:51:29 <deltab> .gc tafting
09:51:32 <phenny> tafting: 12,900
09:51:36 <deltab> hmm
09:51:53 <deltab> inspired by http://xkcd.com/214/
09:55:41 <sbp> perfect!
09:56:19 <MoiraA> oh hello
09:56:23 <sbp> hmm, many of those 12,900 are for a Turkish word it seems
09:56:25 <sbp> hey Moira
09:56:36 <MoiraA> I eed to go a=bavk to bfe
09:56:56 <sbp> 'k
09:56:57 <MoiraA> ed
09:57:43 <MoiraA> it's emarrass]]]]]]]]]]]]]
09:57:50 <MoiraA> embarrassing
09:59:28 <MoiraA> promise you spmf fds\/]]]just meed fl fl ls[[zszfd
10:01:25 * sbp skims http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Wilmot%2C_2nd_Earl_of_Rochester&oldid=179309608
10:02:46 <sbp> "Occupation: Writer of satirical and bawdy poetry."
10:03:54 <MoiraA> sbp you are great OI must re;llh ammh ppj j \ z.nd.;zgnnd l d g
10:04:40 <sbp> MoiraA: I have no idea what you're saying
10:05:04 <sbp> the entropy of your statements is through the roof
10:05:35 <MoiraA> v
10:05:36 <MoiraA> best f
10:05:45 <MoiraA> if I leave
10:06:07 <sbp> perhaps you should go to bed; or possibly seek medical attention
10:06:08 <MoiraA> bhd#
10:06:26 <deltab> bye!
10:07:32 <MoiraA> I;m OK vut I should go fpjjj
10:08:00 <MoiraA> byd
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10:10:17 * sbp skims http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenning
10:10:35 <sbp> 'Poets in medieval Iceland even treated Christian themes using the traditional repertoire of kennings complete with allusions to heathen myths and aristocratic epithets for saints: Þrúðr falda “goddess of headdresses” = “Saint Catherine”'
10:12:18 <sbp> "Two cups of spearmint tea a day is thought to control excessive hair growth for women." - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/magazinemonitor/2008/01/100_things_we_didnt_know_last_3.shtml
10:13:35 <sbp> "Serving anything more than tea and biscuits at a political meeting is an offence called "treating" and punishable by a year in prison or an unlimited fine, under the the Representation of the People Act 1893." - ibid.
10:13:48 <sbp> hehe. "Anti-Americanism began in Paris in the 18th Century." - ibid.
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10:17:15 <sbp> hmm! "The opening bars to the theme tune of Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em spelt the title of the series in Morse code." - ibid.
10:17:54 <sbp> more Icelandeering: "In Iceland, 96% of women go to university." - ibid.
10:22:59 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7026637.stm
10:23:03 <sbp> that's so cool
10:23:03 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Magazine | Does the Frank Spencer music have Morse code?
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10:54:48 <sbp> arse!
10:54:50 <sbp> I broke Arcs
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11:00:10 <darobin> heh
11:00:20 <darobin> I have two cats fighting on opposing sides of a curtain
11:00:50 <darobin> I think the curtain will be the most likely casualty
11:01:07 <darobin> they're not very good at it either
11:01:58 <sbp> wait, no I didn't
11:02:05 <sbp> *TimBL* broke Arcs!
11:02:37 <sbp> phew, I'm glad I figured this out
11:02:42 <sbp> it would've been... hard to debug otherwise
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12:25:44 <cre8radix> YO!
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13:35:34 * darobin tickles Monty
13:35:34 <Monty> bhd#
13:35:42 <darobin> bot laughter
13:39:12 <jsled> dance, Monty, dance!
13:39:14 <Monty> cheeky flatulent Corel :P
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13:56:49 <darobin> a rather appropriate description of their latest graphics suite Monty
13:56:52 <Monty> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWAkf-0aTdY
13:56:55 <phenny> Monty: YouTube - Lostwithiel Giants New Year 2008
13:56:57 <Monty> Rastafarian Koopa's Scooby Doo?
14:28:04 <darobin> new batch from Caitlin
14:28:06 <darobin> .title http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article3110758.ece
14:28:10 <phenny> darobin: I’ve resolved to be more British (and French and Chinese) | Caitlin Moran - Times Online
14:28:12 <darobin> .title http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article3090589.ece
14:28:16 <phenny> darobin: There’s something about Mary that I obviously didn’t have | Caitlin Moran - Times Online
14:31:49 <darobin> " I will “be more English”. I’m pretty much covering this with the intention to say “Harrumph!” a lot more. First, because saying “Harrumph!” is a dying art – people tend to say “HOLY F***!” these days, instead, which I think is a concession too far to the Americans."
14:34:04 <darobin> "Pitifully aware that I was heralding in Christmas Eve with a gigantic Ent corpse in the front room, we went to the garden centre and scrounged a load of Christmas tree offcuts. I then made what can only be called a “tree wig”: pushing in bright, fresh green branches hither and yon about the dead plant to give a semblance of vitality."
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14:35:11 <sbp> wow. Caitlin has a lot of the mannerisms and speech patterns of Victoria Wood
14:35:38 * sbp was watching, somewhat unbelievably, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4VmKNEPGcA
14:35:53 <sbp> you have to skip to like two minutes in before she starts getting a word in
14:36:58 <sbp> .gc inapt
14:37:00 <phenny> inapt: 216,000
14:37:22 <sbp> see, she likes M&S milk chocolate truffles for goodness' sake
14:37:24 <sbp> but not their sushi
14:38:19 <sbp> "These are targets so wide that you might as well try to obliterate the Moon with a popgun."
14:39:13 *** sbp changed the topic to: ""ARGH! THE OGRE OF GORMLEY KEEP IS COME UPON ME! CALL FOR SIR GAWAIN!""
14:39:23 <sbp> yay. I knew there'd be a topic in here somewhere
14:39:41 <darobin> "God, if it wasn’t for Christianity, I’d be such a nice person."
14:39:44 <darobin> there always is
14:44:37 <sbp> "I have no idea what it’s like for little girls these days. Things are different, what with Madonna, and lady scientists, and the internet."
14:47:48 <sbp> hahahahaha. 'They might as well have cast him as “the Christmas bastard” for all the discipline it would engender.'
14:47:58 <sbp> fucking hell the build-up to that was funny
14:48:26 <sbp> anyway, neato. thanks darobin
14:49:01 <sbp> I'm actually glad that I didn't know Caitlin was on BB
14:49:17 <sbp> it would've pained me to know that someone cool was on it
14:49:29 <sbp> every time I walked past the telly I would've given it this pained look
14:49:39 <sbp> it wouldn't've been good for my local moral economy
14:53:41 <darobin> hehehe
14:53:43 <darobin> on BB?
14:54:16 <darobin> oh, Big Brothers
14:54:28 <darobin> yeah, she's a big fan
14:54:44 <darobin> I sort of like that about her though, not sure exactly why
14:56:19 <sbp> because it's a batty and eccentric thing to like, perhaps?
14:56:33 <darobin> for an intellectual of her class, certainly yes
14:56:35 <sbp> in other people we would call this stupid and chavish
14:56:36 <sbp> right
14:56:58 <darobin> I'm glad she's still writing, her ambiguous talk about fags giving cancer followed by a one-month writing hiatus had left me worried
14:57:26 <darobin> Dean Jackson used to be very fond of Survivor
14:58:00 <darobin> he claimed his measurable savvy in handling W3C politics came from watching it all
14:58:35 <sbp> I am disfamiliar with Survivor enough that I am blissfully ignorant of the meaning of your comment
14:58:43 <darobin> I guess Survivor could be construed as game theory in bikinis
14:58:49 <sbp> chuckle
14:58:51 <sbp> thanks, I get it now
14:59:55 <darobin> I'm not entirely familiar either but there's a concept of voting people off, where you try to get rid of the stronger candidates as they compete with you, while at the same time trying to get your team to win, for which you need strong candidates
15:00:03 <darobin> or something like that
15:02:07 <edsu> eye of the tiger
15:03:26 <sbp> leg of the newt
15:03:34 <sbp> stir it in yer cauldron
15:03:41 <sbp> and conjure up a beut!
15:03:56 <sbp> (er, beaut)
15:04:29 <sbp> thankfully I'm listening to How Many More Times
15:04:36 <sbp> otherwise I'd probably have started singing Tiger Feet again
15:19:53 <darobin> mmmmm, didn't know that song
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15:20:03 * darobin hums it discreetly behind sbp's back
15:20:18 * sbp fingers his ears
15:21:51 * darobin reaches for ribcage-ringing lows of his deep booming voice
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15:27:42 <sbp> darobin: do you know what the tool is for writing I-Ds?
15:28:09 <sbp> oh, http://www.rfc-editor.org/formatting.html
15:28:52 <sbp> -> http://xml.resource.org/
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15:29:51 <sbp> yo Arnia
15:29:56 <sbp> I'm dusting off Resource-Type
15:30:17 <Arnia> Hey... that was a fun journey :p
15:30:47 <sbp> welcome back to the land of the ham
15:31:01 <Arnia> indeed
15:31:30 <Arnia> although, I'm not going to go the cross-country route again for a while; even though I hate going through London
15:32:14 <Arnia> It was barely standing-room only
15:32:55 <sbp> why did you have to go that route?
15:33:58 <Arnia> sbp: cos I had a lot of stuff with me which I couldn't take on the tube
15:34:12 <perigrin> I've seen people do it ...
15:34:24 <Arnia> perigrin: on a friday... on the circle line...
15:34:32 <perigrin> I didn't say they were *smart* people.
15:34:50 <perigrin> I think it was the Northern line too
15:34:55 <perigrin> I tended to preferr it to the Jubliee
15:35:03 <Arnia> (granted, better than the Bakerloo but still... the only line which is really cut out for that is the Piccadilly)
15:37:07 <perigrin> London Transport amazes me
15:37:41 <perigrin> I'm still proud of the fact that I figured out how to cut 40 minutes out of my commute from Swiss Cottage to Queens Park by walking a block further to the Overland Rail station
15:37:46 <perigrin> instead of taking the tube
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15:40:02 <Arnia> perigrin: hey, it makes sense if you have the Knowledge
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15:41:55 <perigrin> Arnia, well yeah ... but if you have the Knowledge you can beat a GPS unit :)
15:42:40 <Arnia> That's true... someone should do a wiki of the Knowledge
15:42:54 <Arnia> Dump the mind of a cabbie
15:43:00 <perigrin> and flood London with Cabbies?
15:43:13 <perigrin> Cabbipedia!
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15:47:02 <Arnia> perigrin: link it with Open Street Map
15:47:36 <Arnia> perigrin: not only a publicly generated map, but also full of all the nuances of the transportation network in and around London
15:48:08 <perigrin> make it so!
15:52:56 * Arnia tugs his uniform
16:01:07 * Arnia plans more workflow related stuff
16:05:44 <Arnia> but... CHINESE
16:06:00 * Arnia gets excited over cheap food
16:10:00 <Arnia> actually I'm more excited over going out and having real world interactions again
16:10:07 <Arnia> but anyway, speak later
16:10:13 <sbp> c'ya
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16:45:29 <cre8radix> Monty
16:45:30 <cre8radix> : jismic epochal spies loves tanned fascist scary videos
16:45:32 <Monty> vomit is stranded and spiffy!
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17:22:05 <clsn> ꀎ
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17:27:12 <darobin> Monty Monty Monty!!!
17:27:14 <Monty> bah, facebook you now?
17:27:29 <darobin> Monty: wanna be friends?
17:27:31 <Monty> hard to just says me worried
17:27:46 <darobin> Monty: don't, I'll always love you
17:27:47 <Monty> eye of Survivor
17:28:01 <darobin> Monty: even if I vote you off the island
17:28:03 <Monty> danja: YouTube - ibid.
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17:42:13 <thelsdj> http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/2007-11-13/index-1.gif
17:44:46 <deltab> ‹darobin› I'm not entirely familiar either but there's a concept of voting people off, where you try to get rid of the stronger candidates as they compete with you, while at the same time trying to get your team to win, for which you need strong candidates
17:44:53 <deltab> sounds quite like The Weakest Link
17:45:32 <deltab> obviously that only has one team, but there is a common goal of getting as long a chain as possible
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17:53:51 <Arnia> oh me oh my... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw
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17:53:57 <Monty> yo cr`x!
17:54:38 <cr`x> WHAT
17:54:49 <Arnia> WHO
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18:05:01 <_bjoern> Y
18:07:49 <Arnia> !Y
18:07:51 <swhask> Maybe you meant: . v
18:10:41 <cr`x> wait a minute, do we have a live-in haskell interpeter here that i hadn't noticed?
18:10:53 <Arnia> cr`x: indeed
18:11:01 <cr`x> how excessive
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18:11:15 <Arnia> We also have an eel interpreter
18:11:19 <Arnia> uh, E
18:11:24 <Arnia> called eel
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18:13:40 <deltab> a documentary about the "owners" of the moon on Channel 4 now
18:14:30 <deltab> "Well, I saw it in the newspaper, and thought it'd be a good investment for the future."
18:14:41 * sbp already owns a bit of the moon for real
18:14:49 <sbp> (a fragment of a lunar meteorite)
18:14:56 <deltab> cool
18:15:23 <sbp> a bit of mars too. now I just need a bit of Venus and a bit of Mercury and...
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18:15:38 * Arnia hands sbp a piece of Jupiter
18:15:40 <sbp> I think there are cytherean meteorites, actually
18:15:51 <sbp> but I don't think I've heard of any mercurial meteorites
18:16:14 <sbp> I don't think we know enough about Mercury to be able to identify them even if they do exist, actually. and I doubt there'd be many... there aren't many from Mars even
18:16:25 <sbp> Arnia: hehe. it pongs
18:17:09 <clsn> sbp: ꀎ
18:17:43 <clsn> .gd cytherean
18:17:46 <phenny> cytherean: Cytherean is an adjective meaning pertaining to Cythera, a small island now part of Greece. It is one of the Ionian islands, and is formally known ...
18:17:54 <deltab> gd?
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18:18:07 <sbp> define
18:18:08 <deltab> google def’n?
18:18:08 <clsn> stands for goddamn word I can't remember...
18:18:09 <bancus> .wik cytherea
18:18:11 <phenny> "Another name for the goddess Aphrodite of Greek mythology," - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytherea
18:18:15 <clsn> oooh.
18:18:21 <clsn> why didn't you said so
18:18:28 <bancus> .wik cytherea (porn actress)
18:18:31 <phenny> "Cytherea (born September 27, 1981, in Salt Lake City, Utah) is an American pornographic actress and model who is best known for her long-distance female ejaculation, or 'squirting', attained during orgasm." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytherea_(porn_star)
18:18:54 <sbp> "Adjectives: Venusian or (rarely) Cytherean"
18:18:55 <sbp> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus
18:19:04 <bancus> Figures that she comes from SLC.
18:19:36 <clsn> I figured out the adjectival meaning you meant when I saw it was another name for Aphrodite.
18:20:13 <clsn> There has to be a good use for ꒴ ...
18:20:30 <jsled> 0xd00dad
18:20:39 <deltab> .pc ꀎ꒴
18:20:41 <clsn> And I found all kinds of heavy-metal logos and neo-nazi symbols in Yi... ꏰꑗꑭ
18:20:42 <phenny> A00E: YI SYLLABLE UOP (ꀎ)
18:20:45 <phenny> A4B4: YI RADICAL NZUP (꒴)
18:21:04 <clsn> ꅵꇉꉻꊸ
18:21:35 <clsn> Not to mention ears and wheelchairs. ꀢꀣꂙꂚꏲꊹ
18:22:05 <Arnia> "Well I've roamed about this Earth with just a suitcase in my hand and I've met some bug-eyed Joes; I've met the blessed, I've met the damned. But of all the strange, strange creatures, in the air, at sea and on land, oh my girl, my girl, my precious girl, I love you you understand"
18:23:35 <sbp> .pc 𐍅
18:23:38 <phenny> 10345: GOTHIC LETTER WINJA
18:30:47 <deltab> "I strarted trying to figure out how to get 19 strokes out of a 13-stroke glyph and the first thing I thought was "Someone who doesn't know how to write CJK counted <i>all</i> the lines," but that only got me halfway to the magic number. Fortunately I had a bottle of Caol Ila at home. As I continued to ponder the question (not having Andrew's reference materials) I continued to sate my thirst. It took about four hours and ha
18:30:47 <deltab> lf a bottle but I finally saw 19 strokes. Half an hour later it was up to 22 and, I think, 31 by the time I went to bed." — commenter on http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2007/12/03/6643180.aspx
18:31:24 <jsled> .wik caol ila
18:31:27 <phenny> "Caol Ila is a distillery near Port Askaig on Islay, Scotland, famed for its single malt Scotch whisky of the same name." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caol_Ila
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18:41:34 <deltab> Llanfair on C4 now
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18:43:00 <sbp> balls, missed it
18:43:06 <sbp> assume you meant Llanfair P.G.
18:43:15 <sbp> (there are a couple of other actual Llanfairs, I think)
18:43:37 <deltab> there was a shot of the name on the railway station
18:43:49 <sbp> awesome
18:43:51 <sbp> good ol' Ynys Môn
18:44:04 <sbp> I learned how to say the name by looking at the railway sign
18:44:12 <sbp> and singing the song they taught us there
18:44:16 <sbp> heh
18:44:36 <sbp> let's see if I can spell it still:
18:44:57 <sbp> .gc Llanfairpwyllgwyngyllgogerychwryndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
18:44:59 <phenny> Llanfairpwyllgwyngyllgogerychwryndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch: 1
18:45:02 <sbp> balls
18:45:26 <sbp> ha, I actually see two results. one is the Swhack logs
18:45:31 <cr`x> you've misspelled it that before, heh\
18:46:01 <sbp> I transposed the yr in chwyrn again
18:46:05 <sbp> bugger it
18:46:24 <sbp> wy is so normal in Welsh, I don't know what I can't get it into my head
18:46:33 <sbp> .gc Llanfairpwyllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
18:46:35 <phenny> Llanfairpwyllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch: 10
18:46:42 <sbp> hmm, no, there's another error
18:46:57 <cr`x> you have pwyll
18:46:59 <cr`x> it's just pwll
18:47:03 <sbp> oh, yes
18:47:06 <sbp> .gc Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
18:47:09 <phenny> Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch: 65,100
18:47:16 <sbp> okay, trying to internalise that too...
18:47:40 <sbp> Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobyllllantysiliogogogoch... okers dokers
18:47:58 <sbp> heh, w -> y that time
18:48:01 <sbp> sigh
18:48:15 <sbp> that me shwaising again
18:49:29 <sbp> Amlwch now
18:49:47 <sbp> ooh, pretty rocks
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18:51:28 <sbp> deltab: remember the Diceman?
18:51:36 <sbp> programmes like this one remind me of that
18:51:46 <sbp> only not as good, of course. The Diceman was awesome
18:52:46 <deltab> Discovery Channel? n, I don't have it
18:52:59 <sbp> it used to be on terrestrial, I think
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18:55:42 <sbp> hmm. I can't find any evidence anywhere that it was—odd
18:56:07 <deltab> "The Diceman strip was different to the others in that the reader not only had to avoid being killed, he also ran the risk of being driven insane (if his "sanity score" dropped to zero)." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dice_Man_%28comic%29
18:56:46 <deltab> oh, a gamebook
19:00:34 <clsn> My sister sent me a postcard from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch. She knew I studied Welsh...
19:08:51 <thelsdj> .gs Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch *
19:08:54 <phenny> on, entered, and
19:09:06 <thelsdj> .gs * Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
19:09:09 <phenny> * Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch: No results!
19:11:53 <therethinker1> .gs *
19:11:56 <phenny> *: No results!
19:20:20 <ido> .gc *
19:20:22 <phenny> *: 0
19:20:28 <xover> Does “ ” count as punctuation?
19:20:35 <ido> smart quotes?
19:20:48 <xover> .title http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2768-Zero-Punctuation-Super-Mario-Galaxy
19:20:51 <phenny> xover: The Escapist : Zero Punctuation: Super Mario Galaxy
19:20:51 <ido> .gc עידו רוזן
19:20:54 <phenny> עידו רוזן: 45,200
19:21:07 <ido> meh
19:21:29 <thelsdj> phenny: "עידו רוזן"?
19:21:43 <phenny> thelsdj: Hmm, got "hebrew"...
19:22:39 <sbp> !
19:22:52 <ido> ?
19:22:54 <xover> Obsessive Compulsive Squirt-Gun Fetishists!
19:23:02 <ido> ¿
19:23:07 <ido> ¡
19:26:38 <_bjoern> .gc "Charlie Jade"
19:26:40 <phenny> "Charlie Jade": 177,000
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19:28:59 <xover> Hmm. Yahtzee's not quite on form in this one; either that or the audio cut is shite.
19:29:24 <sbp> the audio cutting was bad on the last two as well
19:29:36 <sbp> I don't know what's up with that. he just doesn't seem to care about making it seamless anymore
19:29:46 <sbp> his points are generally right on, incidentally
19:29:51 <sbp> the camera angles thing really is annoying
19:30:06 <sbp> because it's not a fixed movement; it's always relative to the camera
19:30:21 <sbp> but because it's in 3-d in space, Mario can be... very arbitrarily positioned sometimes
19:30:44 <sbp> so you're like "uh, which way to I push the joystick now? oh, not that way. FUCKBALLS"
19:31:43 <sbp> on one level, I did this three times in a row. after that I just sat at the place and inched around very carefully to see what's going on "oh, okay then. well fuckballs anyway"
19:31:57 <xover> UR MR GAY!
19:32:10 <sbp> NO YUO
19:32:14 <xover> .title http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/
19:32:16 <_bjoern> are there teletubbie movies?
19:32:27 <phenny> xover: Fully Ramblomatic.com - the website for REAL MEN.
19:32:36 <sbp> not on the mainstream market
19:33:24 <_bjoern> Ah so it's http://www.amazon.co.uk/Teletubbies-Snow-Rolf-Saxon/dp/B0000D9Y9Z on google video.
19:37:31 <thelsdj> i never have problems with the movement or camera in ur mr gay
19:39:03 <sbp> ôrly?
19:39:32 <thelsdj> yarly
19:39:54 <sbp> well me and Mr. Yah "AAAHHH MY WANKING HAND" tzee disagree with you
19:40:25 <thelsdj> thats because you're british
19:40:49 <sbp> ...
19:40:58 <sbp> I was going to say no, but I can't think of any plausible reason why not
19:42:15 <thelsdj> was the top gear year in review ep any good? i didn't bother to download it
19:42:47 <sbp> year in review... do you mean the clips show?
19:42:51 <thelsdj> yea
19:42:52 <sbp> or the last episode of the actual season?
19:42:57 <thelsdj> i assume it was just a boring clips show
19:42:59 <sbp> the clips show was just... clips
19:43:05 <sbp> yeah. but they were good clips
19:43:14 <sbp> it's watchable, but it's a bit too soon for a repeat really...
19:43:15 <xover> No such thing.
19:43:33 <sbp> the news section in the last actual episode... fucking hell
19:43:39 <sbp> with the Bugatti aftershave
19:43:41 <sbp> man that was funny
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19:44:00 <sbp> pssssst pssshhhtttt psssssttttt psssshtt psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtt!
19:44:20 <_bjoern> NO, U !
19:44:24 <sbp> U 咒
19:45:14 <thelsdj> DO
19:45:15 <_bjoern> 乷 hmm no, 啮 ... 冘 close, another try 再 ... 冗 there we go!
19:45:16 <thelsdj> DO DO DO
19:45:19 <thelsdj> DO DO DO
19:45:26 <thelsdj> DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO
19:45:26 <thelsdj> DO
19:45:42 <sbp> < 冗 > BRRrRrRrRringGgG! BRRRRrirrrrrIng!
19:45:51 <sbp> it's for U 咒
19:45:54 <_bjoern> nok nok telephone
19:46:10 <_bjoern> don't imitate weird sesame street aliens.
19:46:14 <sbp> hehe
19:46:28 <sbp> yip yip yipyip yip yip yip yipyipyip yip
19:48:04 <_bjoern> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VNMERVsC4
19:48:07 <phenny> _bjoern: YouTube - Yip yips meet the telephone
19:48:23 <sbp> yeah, I love that one
19:49:06 <_bjoern> lots of "I fuckin hated these things as a kid, they scared the crap outta me." style comments
19:49:13 <sbp> bwhahaha
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19:52:25 <_bjoern> can't find the german version
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20:40:26 <deltab> Greatest Comedy Catchphrases on 4+1 now
20:40:44 <deltab> The Fast Show bit on 4 now
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20:48:14 <cr`x> that's terrible
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20:50:56 <deltab> sbp: and now Homer!
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21:50:39 <shminux> I wonder why I get AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'splitlines' (file "/home/bot/phenny/modules/weather.py", line 68, in code)
21:51:25 <_bjoern> You have nothing where a string is expected?
21:51:41 <_bjoern> probably in line 68 in that file.
21:52:17 <crschmidt> 'coords.txt' probably doesn't exist in phenny.data
21:52:56 <crschmidt> since the distribution doesn't include it
21:52:59 <crschmidt> I wouldn't be surprised by that
21:53:01 <shminux> ahhh
21:53:09 <shminux> why not>
21:53:11 <shminux> ?
21:53:27 <crschmidt> Why wouldn't I be surprised?
21:53:34 <crschmidt> Well, I wouldn't assume you would have grabbed it from somewhere yourself.
21:53:57 <shminux> I did
21:54:03 <crschmidt> The coords.txt file?
21:54:06 <shminux> oh
21:54:08 <shminux> the distro
21:54:16 <crschmidt> Right, the distribution doesn't include it.
21:54:18 <shminux> not sure where the coords.txt file can be found
21:54:26 <crschmidt> sbp's home directory.
21:54:36 <shminux> somehow I doubt it's public
21:54:43 <crschmidt> Nope.
21:54:53 * crschmidt has root on phenny's box and checked.
21:55:12 <shminux> oh well
21:55:13 <crschmidt> I'd suggest that phenny-ing or emailing sbp would be the first step
21:55:26 <shminux> phenny-ing?
21:55:38 <crschmidt> phenny: tell shminux linux is better than shminux.
21:55:40 <phenny> crschmidt: I'll pass that on when shminux is around.
21:55:51 <crschmidt> phenny-ing.
21:55:55 <shminux> heh
21:55:57 <phenny> shminux: 23:15Z <crschmidt> tell shminux linux is better than shminux.
21:56:09 <shminux> nifty
21:56:21 <shminux> is it the tell module?
21:56:29 <crschmidt> probably so
21:56:32 <shminux> yeah
21:56:34 <shminux> I see it
21:57:40 <shminux> a flat file, not a db
21:57:46 <crschmidt> correct
22:08:15 <deltab> crschmidt: we don't need to hear about you rooting phenny's box, thanks
22:08:32 <crschmidt> actually, for this one I don't even need to be root
22:09:06 <deltab> do you know those slang terms?
22:09:21 <crschmidt> That one's not familiar to me
22:09:28 <crschmidt> but I assume it's related to sex in some way
22:09:34 <deltab> yeah
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23:10:36 <deltab> root: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/root#Verb
23:10:39 <deltab> box: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/root#Verb
23:10:42 <deltab> oops
23:10:47 <deltab> box: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vdaSv4a-ia4
23:11:48 <therethinke1> Woah!
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23:16:18 <deltab> good music video, isn't it?
23:29:35 <therethinke1> Err... no
23:32:49 <jsled> The original is the only good one, imho.
