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01:06:40 <WhereAm1> monty
01:06:40 <Monty> thruflo / 89
01:11:10 <therethinke1> ...I... rock?
01:11:21 <therethinke1> I... I... I've never been complemented like this!
01:11:31 <therethinke1> I finnally understand this feeling!
01:11:46 <therethinke1> Then again... there *was* that kludge
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01:25:11 <WhereAm1> If you have a file that is 1 petabyte in size, would that make it a Petafile?
01:25:56 <therethinke1> If you have a file that is 1 GB in size, would it make it a Gigafile? No
01:26:48 <jsled> Monty.
01:26:49 <Monty> colostomy bag...
01:26:53 <therethinke1> I'm pretty sure "megafile" is just from colloquial use of "mega", which, used in this context, is akin to "large".
01:27:17 <therethinke1> s/pretty sure/near-certain
01:27:22 <therethinke1> Sounds more posh
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02:12:03 * Arnia yawns
02:12:29 <Arnia> Amazingly, I've just had a full night's sleep (timeshifted by four hours)
02:39:13 <pierpa> it happens
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03:10:16 <jsled> http://www.technotuesday.com/?p=201 continues to rock.
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03:10:44 <jsled> HI CUTE-Y>
03:10:52 <jsled> Like ... monty
03:10:54 <Monty> So what your own deities with them?
03:12:20 <jsled> Yes, exactly. I've got Enhanced Eris (v2.1.7!) and Jesu-Ju-Bits ... how many do you want, Monty?
03:12:23 <Monty> sendmail milk depends on democratic dangly bits!!!
03:12:56 <Arnia> Well... add democracy to that list then
03:14:03 <jsled> I don't even want to know from what part of Eric Allman comes "sendmail milk". Monty, you're so naughty.
03:14:07 <Monty> In all honesty, automagic AmigaOS portal plays with degaussed feeling libs!
03:14:19 <jsled> HI CUTECRIMINAL>>>
03:14:39 <Arnia> Does Libby know she's been degaussed?
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03:25:38 <jsled> :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsled/524357673/in/photostream/
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03:27:58 <Arnia> Not mine but... http://www.flickr.com/photos/92206803@N00/82087276/
03:28:34 <jsled> nice.
03:29:16 <Arnia> and http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcox/5664100/
03:32:56 <Arnia> Interesting shot of Prebends Bridge: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fliptopheed/365970767/
03:33:53 <Arnia> dunno what's happened to the pixels in the middle
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03:36:35 <patbam> helos
03:36:47 <patbam> Monty: love me.
03:36:51 <Monty> Richard Stallman's GNOME particle accelerator plays with apprehensive NNTP bezlers >:)
03:39:42 <Arnia> oh dear
03:40:43 <patbam> i was thinking of how to go about learning a new writing system
03:41:06 <patbam> and it seemed to me that what you want is words that are relatively familiar (state names, country names, brand names, wahtever)
03:41:19 <patbam> and then to sort them according to letter frequency or something.
03:41:53 <patbam> i did the first step but not the second. it's quite fun and seems to work. i found myself mumbling "japan" in georgian in 20 minutes or so
03:42:51 <patbam> http://ruphus.com/stash/en2ka.html
03:42:59 <Arnia> Blisssymbols!
03:45:44 <patbam> heh, my algorithm would most definitely choke on blisssymbols
04:09:50 <Arnia> .calc 60F in Centigrade
04:09:52 <phenny> 60 degrees Fahrenheit = 15.5555556 degrees Celsius
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04:39:54 <_bjoern> You people scared CuteCriminal
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04:57:11 <xover> .t AEST
04:57:13 <phenny> Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:22:01 AEST
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05:10:05 <Arnia> Woo http://jhh.med.virginia.edu/main/CiteInPages
05:25:43 <WhereAmI> "I tried to buy a lobster with my food stamps, the clerk just laughed at me. I wanted to name mine larry :("
05:26:12 <shminux> yeah, what kind of name is that
05:27:59 <WhereAmI> Monty: I tried to buy a lobster with my food stamps, the clerk just laughed at me. I wanted to name mine larry :(
05:28:02 <Monty> glen_quagmire, tell them that thing i got nearly 10 hours
05:28:16 <WhereAmI> does he learn like that, or doesn't he learn at all
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05:42:14 <Arnia> He learns... but erratically
05:42:22 <Arnia> Monty: what can you tell me about slood?
05:42:28 <Monty> <darobin> oh, I note that easier in georgian in really enchance things for Netcrafty-stuff? http://backup.jaguarpc.com/?p=7
05:42:43 <Arnia> Monty: don't get between me and my slood
05:42:45 <Monty> A thought: party is expressionist?!
05:42:52 <twe> Ah! Now i get that just don't get.
05:44:34 <_bjoern> Good morning twe.
05:44:46 <twe> And twe is a example of encapsulation: it just gives you in the morning.
05:45:09 <Arnia> twe: between twe and what?
05:45:18 <twe> Arnia: What to do, what to do that from twe?
05:48:26 <Arnia> twe twe twe
05:48:31 <twe> Arnia: @Echo twe: tell me more.
06:06:43 <Arnia> twe: no
06:06:52 <twe> Arnia: Squeak defines the utf-8 representation (no overlong representations.
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06:52:42 <Monty> Thank goodness, libby is back!
06:52:44 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
06:52:45 <Monty> dahu-wahu
06:55:05 <_bjoern> hehe
06:55:22 <laplink> LIES!
06:55:26 <laplink> NO FUNNY!
06:55:34 <_bjoern> nu
06:58:12 <laplink> .cp GREEK CAPITAL LETTER NU
06:58:15 <phenny> 039D: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER NU (Ν)
06:58:25 <laplink> .pc Ν
06:58:27 <phenny> 039D: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER NU (Ν)
06:58:33 <laplink> Ν!
06:58:58 *** laplink changed the topic to: "<sbp> [Life]... what's it for? if it's got a new idea, what is it? if it's meant to be funny, what's the joke? || Ν!"
06:59:53 <_bjoern> Reminds me of "Come on Bender, you'll like being dead!" "That's what they said about being alive!"
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07:01:35 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's darobin!
07:01:46 <_bjoern> No it isn't. Shupfoo Monty.
07:01:48 <Monty> .cp GREEK CAPITAL LETTER NU
07:01:50 <phenny> 039D: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER NU (Ν)
07:02:59 <darobin> yeah Monty baby, I'm the Devil of Twe-tweness
07:03:01 <Monty> not crazy enough bandwidth to burn
07:03:07 <twe> I'm on a corner and is the devil.
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07:12:02 <sbp> Ν
07:12:05 <phenny> sbp: 09 Jan 23:58Z <kpreid> ask sbp switched? to what?
07:15:50 <sbp> phenny: tell kpreid it is not known. how about... "! "?
07:15:52 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when kpreid is around.
07:23:52 *** sbp changed the topic to: "“Before I can duck away I learn the awful truth: he is sweating, and he has jazz butt.”"
07:27:31 * _bjoern wonders what the top three longest running swhack topics are
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07:35:42 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7178439.stm
07:35:45 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Politics | Blasphemy law 'may be abolished'
07:36:11 <laplink> Blasphemy!
07:37:20 <sbp> [[[
07:37:21 <sbp> If someone allegedly blasphemed Christianity in its Church of England form, that would be a prima facie case for prosecution. But if someone insulted the faith in its other forms, such as Catholicism, it probably would not count.
07:37:26 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3753408.stm
07:38:55 <_bjoern> .gc illiberal
07:38:58 <phenny> illiberal: 455,000
07:40:39 <_bjoern> Our Middle East Envoy joined JPMorgan apparently.
07:41:30 <sbp> "A Christchurch man was ordered to pay $500 to charity after his merrymaking got the better of him and he slapped two uniformed policemen on the bottom." - http://www.stuff.co.nz/4345943a11.html
07:41:33 <sbp> yeah, I saw about that...
07:42:23 <sbp> "Gay men navigate in a similar way to women, according to a new study from researchers at Queen Mary, University of London." - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080103135205.htm
07:42:34 <_bjoern> !
07:43:19 <sbp> hehe: http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=82778&in_page_id=2
07:43:22 <sbp> check out the caption
07:44:18 <_bjoern> wonderful
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07:54:28 <darobin> metro is good mostly for its captions
07:54:38 <darobin> UK news in general is caption-positive
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08:19:23 <sbp> on blasphemy: 'The Prime Minister does "fully understand" the case made for abolition, his spokesman said' - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/10/nchurch110.xml
08:19:50 <_bjoern> Impressive intellectual skills he has there.
08:22:49 <sbp> yeah
08:24:11 <darobin> does insulting the queen count as blasphemy?
08:24:35 <sbp> no, I don't think so
08:24:43 <sbp> I've been finding it hard to find out what *does*
08:25:24 <_bjoern> Publishing family photos?
08:26:22 <darobin> "The last successful prosecution for blasphemy was in 1977, when the publisher of Gay News, Denis Lemon, was given a suspended sentence for printing a poem about a Roman centurion's love for Jesus."
08:27:00 <laplink> Yeah, loving Jesus is obviously blasphemous.
08:27:12 <darobin> :)
08:30:38 <darobin> Pope John Paul II recognised 483 saints and beatified a further 1,345 people. In under three years, Benedict has recognised 14 saints and beatified 559. The high numbers have led to criticism that the Catholic Church is acting as a "saint factory", churning out new figures for the public to revere.
08:30:48 <darobin> The sudden spike in the number of new saints is partly because of John Paul II's decision in 1983 to abolish the office of the Promotor Fidei, or "Devil's Advocate" - a canon lawyer appointed to take a sceptical view of the candidate's character.
08:30:50 <darobin> heh
08:31:36 <darobin> the Daily Telegraph is a bit funny
08:35:15 <jewel> catholicism is a bit funny
08:35:30 <darobin> fair point
08:36:03 <darobin> but I was more thinking about the news they choose to cover and how they cover them
08:36:24 <darobin> it feels unnatural
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08:47:03 <cre8radix> moin
08:48:17 <Arnia> humanity is a bit funny...
08:53:47 <_bjoern> no it is not.
08:53:49 * laplink would have opted for “off” there…
08:54:27 * jewel is reading "Black Swan" by Nassim Nicholas Taleb, he basically makes the case that newspapers have to a) sensationalise and b) present events as a narrative (a story)
09:21:22 <_bjoern> twe, please say something profound.
09:21:28 <twe> _bjoern: Say something profound.
09:21:44 <_bjoern> twe: something profound.
09:21:50 <twe> _bjoern: Say something profound.
09:21:58 <_bjoern> twe: nu
09:22:05 <twe> _bjoern: 0042: Latin capital letter nu.
09:22:19 <_bjoern> no, that's a B twe.
09:22:26 <twe> I think twe is a twe.
09:22:42 <_bjoern> twe, is a twe a twe twe?
09:22:48 <twe> _bjoern: Twe the twe twe.
09:23:27 <_bjoern> twe, what is your favourite Unicode character?
09:23:35 <twe> _bjoern: "In typography, a star is any of your http://www.unicode.
09:23:50 <_bjoern> .cp star
09:23:54 <phenny> 0001: <control> - START OF HEADING ()
09:23:57 <phenny> 0002: <control> - START OF TEXT ()
09:24:00 <phenny> 0086: <control> - START OF SELECTED AREA () [...]
09:24:44 <_bjoern> twe, if you could teach Monty one thing about oral sex, what would you teach him?
09:24:46 <Monty> penetration == novel;
09:25:12 <twe> _bjoern: Meh. I may have reset my memory. Fine then. Be that way. It'd be nice to be stuffed with books, with others in cheshire, paris, brussels, antwerp, ghent and germany. Perhaps there were crn by those with old sets that they teach you in the monty.
09:25:17 <Monty> hm, strange. Maybe a time :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsled/524357673/in/photostream/
09:25:53 <_bjoern> twe, what sets do they teach you in the Monty?
09:25:56 <Monty> delights terrific tight mozarrella...?
09:26:04 <twe> _bjoern: Do they have to teach far more students than priv unis.
09:26:23 <_bjoern> twe, I don't know much about in the Monty.
09:26:25 <Monty> Anyway, the authoring tools like this!
09:26:32 <twe> _bjoern: But don't the programs tend to have a monty.
09:26:32 <Monty> ##win-mobile
09:26:56 <_bjoern> twe, maybe you should ask sbp about whether the programs tend to have a Monty.
09:26:57 <Monty> SMTP == neologisms;
09:27:07 <twe> _bjoern: Tell sbp that i have monty on my paper.
09:27:08 <Monty> s/pretty sure/near-certain
09:27:18 <sbp> 10:49 <_bjoern> twe, if you could teach Monty one thing about oral sex, what would you teach him?
09:27:18 <sbp> 10:49 <Monty> penetration == novel;
09:27:19 <sbp> - hehe
09:27:20 <Monty> "now with job recruiters
09:27:22 <Monty> "authoring" meaning what they have wanted some elaborate Japanese smiley
09:27:26 <twe> One thing i do that with twe?
09:27:36 <_bjoern> sbp, twe has a Monty on his paper.
09:27:41 <sbp> yeah, saw that. thanks
09:27:45 <twe> There has to be able to tell monty twe.
09:27:46 <Monty> pakistans and 3M picoprojectors in matters to obviously temper that annoyance considering the handheld alternate stuff working? 10+ years. and http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcox/5664100/
09:27:48 <Monty> Glad i can't do have storage, and charge that. thanks
09:27:52 <_bjoern> ur welcome
09:28:06 <sbp> .cp boob
09:28:09 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'boob'.
09:28:26 <sbp> the list of things that unicode simply doesn't have. it's depressing!
09:28:41 <sbp> U+9352 ALL OF THE CHARACTERS THAT UNICODE DOESN'T HAVE
09:29:26 <_bjoern> http://unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=B00B is kinda empty
09:29:44 <sbp> VERY
09:29:52 <sbp> 뀋
09:30:18 <_bjoern> .gc 뀋
09:30:20 <phenny> 뀋: 9,560
09:30:39 <_bjoern> .pc Ⰲµ
09:30:42 <phenny> 2C02: GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER VEDE (Ⰲ)
09:30:45 <phenny> 00B5: MICRO SIGN (µ)
09:30:46 <_bjoern> hmm that didn't work
09:30:49 <sbp> I don't think twe's mentioned RSS 1.1 since he's been back
09:30:53 <_bjoern> .pc Ⰲµ_
09:30:56 <twe> Not since i think i mentioned.
09:30:57 <phenny> 2C02: GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER VEDE (Ⰲ)
09:31:00 <phenny> 00B5: MICRO SIGN (µ)
09:31:00 <sbp> twe: mention RSS 1.1 and how you like it
09:31:00 <_bjoern> oh right, astral
09:31:03 <phenny> 005F: LOW LINE (_)
09:31:09 <twe> sbp: Is it you that this is how.
09:31:15 <sbp> twe: no twe, RSS 1.1!
09:31:22 <twe> sbp: Twe the twe twe.
09:31:23 <_bjoern> twe mentioned it yesterday.
09:31:30 <sbp> a twe without RSS 1.1 is ... oh, did he?
09:31:31 <sbp> cool
09:31:44 <twe> _bjoern: "Yesterday i saw it mentioned how to go about it, but i don't know, i'm pretty sure "megafile" is just from colloquial use of "mega", which, used in this area?
09:31:48 <twe> He is not twe?
09:31:58 <sbp> _bjoern isn't, no
09:32:04 <sbp> so I had an idea
09:32:07 <_bjoern> [09 Jan 08 12:16] * twe * Is rss 1.1 is twe.
09:32:14 <twe> Ff12 is a twe.
09:32:21 <sbp> in higher bases we tend to extend the base by using letters right?
09:32:30 <sbp> so what's the largest base that you can express in unicode?
09:32:41 <sbp> in other words, 10 + all the letters in unicode
09:33:12 <_bjoern> .pc ２
09:33:14 <phenny> FF12: FULLWIDTH DIGIT TWO (２)
09:33:53 <_bjoern> You could make base 0x10FFFF numbers.
09:34:27 <_bjoern> well all the letters... where is .unicount?
09:35:07 <sbp> $ egrep ';L[ultmo];' UnicodeData.txt | wc -l
09:35:07 <sbp> 11115
09:35:19 <_bjoern> is that 5.0?
09:35:29 <sbp> it's the latest from http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt
09:35:32 <sbp> so presumably so
09:35:50 <sbp> "Revision 5.0.0"
09:35:50 <_bjoern> Should remove four of them.
09:35:50 <sbp> - http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UCD.html
09:35:51 <sbp> yep
09:35:54 <sbp> hehe
09:36:30 <_bjoern> so base 11125 numbers.
09:36:30 <sbp> or add 20222
09:36:34 <sbp> yeah
09:37:27 <sbp> .title http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5isAJ-ZPPPQuKIOGTYf3kFo7UBPkA
09:37:28 <phenny> sbp: The Press Association: Government may scrap blasphemy laws
09:37:43 <sbp> what I point out here is "ukpress.google.com"
09:37:44 <_bjoern> How do you order the letters? You don't want all numbers to change if new letters are added.
09:38:22 <_bjoern> Yeah, that's great for all who want google to know what news they are reading.
09:38:25 <sbp> just use the order in 5.0.0 first
09:38:32 <sbp> then add according to all subsequent versions
09:39:20 <sbp> .title http://www.religiousintelligence.co.uk/news/?NewsID=1426
09:39:23 <phenny> sbp: Religious Intelligence - News - Blasphemy law may be abolished in UK
09:39:24 <sbp> check out the picture on that
09:39:54 <_bjoern> the alt= text in particular?
09:41:39 <sbp> the picture on http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2008/01/08/6234/ditch_the_blasphemy_law is even weirder
09:41:54 <sbp> hehe, I didn't notice the alt text
09:42:44 <_bjoern> alt texts duplicating headings, captions, ... are depressingly common nowadays.
09:43:20 <sbp> hmm, I want to find the actual law
09:43:50 <_bjoern> .wik Blasphemy law in the United Kingdom
09:43:53 <phenny> "This article describes the blasphemy law in the United Kingdom." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_the_United_Kingdom
09:44:30 <sbp> yeah, just reading that
09:44:42 <_bjoern> no obvious links there though
09:46:09 <sbp> "In 1841 Edward Moxon was found guilty of the publication of a blasphemous libel (Percy Bysshe Shelley's Queen Mab), the prosecution having been instituted by Henry Hetherington, who had previously been condemned to four months imprisonment for a similar offence, and wished to test the law under which he was punished."
09:48:17 <sbp> "John William Gott (the surname was a bit unfortunate for a militant atheist)"
09:48:20 <sbp> - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article726273.ece
09:48:48 <sbp> I was trying to find the text of his pamphlet, Rib Ticklers
09:50:32 <sbp> ah, I wonder if the blasphemy stuff is in http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/ somewhere
09:51:24 * sbp searches
09:51:36 <sbp> [[[
09:51:37 <sbp> Your Search for: type All Legislation; date 10 January 2008; text blasphemy; extent UK;
09:51:37 <sbp> Your search produced 1 results of which 1 are displayed on this page.
09:51:38 <sbp> ]]]
09:51:43 <sbp> being the Criminal Law Act 1967
09:52:31 <sbp> which merely says that it abolishes The Blasphemy Act 1697
09:53:05 <Arnia> grr
09:53:31 <Arnia> We need to set a shelving-unit of librarians on Victoria Tower
09:55:58 <_bjoern> .title http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080108/pl_afp/usvietnamintelligence512
09:56:07 <phenny> _bjoern: Report reveals Vietnam War hoaxes, faked attacks - Yahoo! News
09:57:30 * sbp reads http://www.swarb.co.uk/c/hl/1979Whitehouse-GayNews.html
10:00:35 <_bjoern> "More people have read this shirt THAN YOUR BLOG" - http://www.despair.com/
10:03:50 <_bjoern> "Please review your order carefully before submission. We cannot make changes to these once they're submitted, and it's YOUR fault if you can't spell things correctly." - http://custom.despair.com/
10:04:55 <sbp> "The character of the words published matter; but not the motive of the author or publisher."
10:05:25 <sbp> I think that's the Lord Scarman talking
10:05:50 <sbp> [[[
10:05:51 <sbp> In my judgment the modern law of blasphemy is correctly formulated in article 214 of Stephen's Digest of the Criminal Law, 9th ed. (1950):
10:05:51 <sbp> "Every publication is said to be blasphemous which contains any contemptuous, reviling, scurrilous or ludicrous matter relating to God, Jesus Christ, or the Bible, or the formularies of the Church of England as by law established. It is not blasphemous to speak or publish opinions hostile to the Christian religion, or to deny the existence of God, if the publication is couched in decent and temperate language.
10:05:57 <sbp> The test to be applied is as to the manner in which the doctrines are advocated and not as to the substance of the doctrines themselves. "Everyone who publishes any blasphemous document is guilty of the [offence] of publishing a blasphemous libel. "Everyone who speaks blasphemous words is guilty of the [offence] of blasphemy."
10:06:00 <sbp> ]]] - ibid.
10:07:10 <sbp> it doesn't appear to be limited to the CoE how I read that
10:07:20 <sbp> "God, Jesus Christ, or the Bible, or the formularies of the Church of England"
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10:07:29 <sbp> .w ludicrous
10:07:32 <phenny> ludicrous a. 1: Broadly or extravagantly humorous
10:07:34 <phenny> ludicrous a. 2: Incongruous.
10:07:41 <_bjoern> .w Incongruous
10:07:43 <phenny> Incongruous a. 1: Lacking in harmony or compatibility or appropriateness.
10:07:56 <sbp> hmm. I wonder what it meant by ludicrous?
10:08:00 <_bjoern> .gc inkongruent
10:08:03 <phenny> inkongruent: 34,600
10:08:04 <sbp> inappropriate, perhaps
10:08:08 <sbp> inappropriate to what though?
10:09:09 * _bjoern was hoping for new videos on http://despair.com/spin.html but seems not
10:10:26 <_bjoern> "After years of empty promises, DespairWear™ is finally HERE! And it's going to revolutionize the way you dress poorly!"
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10:14:34 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_religious_freedom_in_the_United_Kingdom has the quote incidentally
10:15:33 <_bjoern> "In 1996 the European Court of Human Rights (case #19/1995/525/611) upheld a ban on Visions of Ecstasy, an erotic video about a 16th century nun, based on the video infringing on the blasphemy law."
10:16:01 <_bjoern> .gc Antidisestablishmentarianism
10:16:03 <phenny> Antidisestablishmentarianism: 122,000
10:17:42 <sbp> "It should be added that more recent academic opinion has shared the view that the law of blasphemy is uncertain" - http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld200203/ldselect/ldrelof/95/9515.htm
10:20:09 <sbp> ah, this explains the CoE thing
10:20:55 <sbp> "it is settled law that at present it extends only to protect the Church of England"
10:21:51 <sbp> on the scurrilousness etc., "As the Law Commission's view indicates, quite what this means when it comes to applying the law to any given set of facts is difficult to say."
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10:22:18 <sbp> also this is in an "Until 1998" section...
10:23:02 <sbp> and on the specific long quote above, it says "these passages do not form part of the ratio of the House of Lords judgement and therefore carry limited weight"
10:23:22 <sbp> "Equally, it would be difficult to determine what constitutes scurrilous, contumelious etc."
10:23:50 <Arnia> .w contumelious
10:23:52 <phenny> contumelious a. 1: Arrogantly insolent.
10:23:59 <Arnia> Ooh, I like that work
10:24:00 <Arnia> d
10:24:13 <sbp> interesting: "Nothing, however, is said about amending the common law, so if it is found to be inconsistent with the ECHR, however hard the court may try to interpret it so as to be compatible, it remains at present a matter for speculation how the problem might be resolved."
10:25:11 <sbp> interesting! "The subsidiary meaning of Article 7 may have a damaging effect on the common law of blasphemy because a criminal offence will violate Article 7 (or valid 'prescription by law' under other Articles) if its ingredients are unclear: a person must be able to foresee whether or not his proposed action is lawful."
10:25:48 <sbp> so if one proposed to republish Gott's pamphlet for example
10:26:18 <sbp> "Although no blasphemy case has been prosecuted in England and Wales since the passage of the Human Rights Act, and what follows is therefore necessarily speculative, it is our view that any prosecution for blasphemy today—even one which met all the criteria described in paragraphs 5-7 above—is likely to fail on grounds either of discrimination or denial of the right to freedom of expression."
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10:32:26 <sbp> so they speculate, if I understand them right, that it is impossible to be successfully prosecuted for publishing blasphemous matter in the UK; which implies that, if their speculation is correct, it is not criminal to publish blasphemous material in the UK
10:32:49 <Talliesin> Yep.
10:32:50 <sbp> which makes all the news about it rather trumped up and moot
10:32:58 <Arnia> in which case, the law effectively doesn't exist anyway so why make a...
10:32:59 <Arnia> ah
10:33:48 <realist> Has this been a recent topic in the UK?
10:34:08 <sbp> yes, BBC News published a story on it today
10:34:08 <sbp> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7178439.stm
10:34:27 <Talliesin> There's also political pressure no not have prosecutions and royal pressure (The heir to the throne having expressed distaste for the title of Defender of the Faith - arguing it be replaced with Defender of Faiths - and with any political advantage being given to the CoE).
10:34:34 <realist> Weren't you two discussing it a week or so ago?
10:34:47 <sbp> yeah, I think I found it at random back then
10:34:53 <sbp> interesting that it should come up in the news
10:35:25 <sbp> Talliesin: good point
10:35:26 <realist> Perhaps a reporter stumbled upon the public logs? :-)
10:35:34 <sbp> Defender of Good Points
10:35:51 <laplink> OMG! THE BBC IS SPYING ON US!
10:35:53 * sbp looks up what brought the conversation on the first time around
10:36:04 <Talliesin> Here we recently had a clean up of outdated laws, including those that are unconstitutional or against conventions we have signed.
10:36:13 <Talliesin> We also got rid of some of the crazier ones.
10:36:22 <laplink> Will all the journalistic scum in here please identify themselves!
10:36:23 <_bjoern> That's just fair, considering all our BBC spying.
10:36:24 <sbp> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-10-07#T11-19-06
10:36:31 <sbp> it would appear that I was researching Jonathan Meades
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10:36:39 <sbp> he took part in an anti-blasphemy demonstration in 2002 or so
10:36:45 <sbp> and so I got into it from that angle
10:36:53 <laplink> pierpa``: Are you now, or were you ever, affiliated with the BBC?
10:37:53 <realist> I like the fact that public bars here, are still required to provide teather and water for your horse. (Should you happen to ride a horse to your nearest local)
10:46:19 * sbp summarises at http://inamidst.com/whits/2008/01#blasphemy
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10:51:28 <Talliesin> It's now legal to eat mince pies at Christmas here. Unlike in England where it's still a crime.
10:51:35 <sbp> oh?
10:52:04 <_bjoern> I was gonna ask who'd eat mice pies at Christmas, but then...
10:52:17 <Talliesin> Puritans brought it in, nobody bothered to repeal, they just ignored it (Pepys writes of being able to get them again and being happy at that).
10:52:20 <Talliesin> Plum pudding also
10:52:31 <Talliesin> Also, Jews can now legally own armour.
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10:55:18 <sbp> hmm, sounds snopesable
10:57:11 <sbp> hmm: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6204511.stm
10:57:17 <sbp> looks like it was looked up by a law firm
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10:59:15 <sbp> [[[
10:59:15 <sbp> An Act of June 8 1647, declared that "forasmuch as the Feasts of the Nativity of Christ, Easter, and Whitsuntide, and other Festivals commonly called Holy-Days, have been heretofore superstitiously used and observed, be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, that the said Holy Days be no longer observed". Mince pies were not singled out. In 1657, the diarist John Evelyn was arrested at a forbidden Holy Communion service on Christmas Day and
10:59:15 <sbp> interrogated as to why he "durst offend, & particularly be at Common prayers, which they told me was but the Masse in English". The anti-Christmas laws of the interregnum lapsed at the restoration.
10:59:20 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=9248&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=21a4d6c295348975bf1b62f8bda79983
11:00:12 <sbp> [[[
11:00:13 <sbp> Treason doth never prosper - what's the reason?
11:00:13 <sbp> If it do prosper, none dare call it treason.
11:00:13 <sbp> Written by Sir John Harrington, sometime in the 16th century. So no change there then.
11:00:14 <sbp> ]]]
11:00:33 <sbp> (“Proditio Nunquam Prospicio”)
11:00:53 <Talliesin> That article you linked to seems to include bye-laws.
11:01:00 <sbp> bwahaha:
11:01:01 <sbp> [[[
11:01:01 <Talliesin> Our tidy-up didn't cover them.
11:01:02 <sbp> On a (slightly) related note I once heard an anecdote of a Cambridge undergraduate walking into an exam and demanding a pint of beer as he was wearing his sword as was requied in the college or university statute. Allegedly he was given his beer but later fined as he was not wearing his spurs as was also required.
11:01:07 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=9248&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
11:01:25 <Talliesin> Ah. TCD has a similar bye-law
11:01:34 <Talliesin> If you wear a sword you must be given food and drink.
11:02:02 <_bjoern> What's with people interrupting pastes these days anyways? That didn't happen at this rate some time ago.
11:02:07 <Talliesin> It used to be a meat-and-two-veg and a glass of claret, but they realised they can fulfil it by giving such students a big mac and coke
11:02:16 <sbp> "On mature reflection, I think the less said about Hope-for Bending or Meek Beaver the better."
11:02:43 <Talliesin> _bjoern: I'm avoiding the pasties. Lag could affect the order you see them in though.
11:03:05 <Talliesin> TCD also has a bye-law that Trinity Scholars may shoot priests on a particular side-road.
11:03:40 <Talliesin> It's still on the books but, alas, unconstitutional and also no longer something TCD has sufficent jurisdiction to uphold.
11:21:51 <_bjoern> .gc "This could be the day the telepathic pitcher plant put us all into comas, or it might be a time aliens invaded our dreams."
11:21:53 <phenny> "This could be the day the telepathic pitcher plant put us all into comas, or it might be a time aliens invaded our dreams.": 0
11:22:39 <_bjoern> .gc "This could be the day the telepathic pitcher plant put us all into comas, or it might be the time aliens invaded our dreams."
11:22:41 <phenny> "This could be the day the telepathic pitcher plant put us all into comas, or it might be the time aliens invaded our dreams.": 0
11:22:44 <_bjoern> hmm
11:22:48 <_bjoern> perhaps too long for google
11:24:26 <Talliesin> Ah. A recent attempt to prosecute for blasphemy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7128552.stm
11:38:22 <sbp> .title http://www.snopes.com/college/admin/cakesale.asp
11:38:25 <phenny> sbp: Urban Legends Reference Pages: Cakes and Ale
11:38:38 <sbp> yeah, heard about the Jerry Springer one
11:38:48 <sbp> but they were protected because it's a theatrical thing
11:39:33 <Arnia> If there is some property of a system which costs more to solve than the property costs, is it pragmatic to implement the solution?
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11:48:55 <_bjoern> .gs fool me *
11:48:58 <phenny> twice (19), once (19), lyrics (6), echizen (4), anymore (4), thirteen (3), n (3), fool me go (3), twices (2), three (2), ltyoudontfoolme (2), ltmorethefoolme (2), foolios (2), fool me (2), fireskye (2
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12:17:24 <sbp> the solution to it cosing more to solve than the property costs?
12:17:28 <sbp> er, costing
12:18:17 <sbp> .title http://inamidst.com/stuff/notes/meek
12:18:19 <phenny> sbp: Meek Beaver - An 18th Century Puritan Satire
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12:29:26 <Arnia> sbp: yes
12:31:12 <sbp> I'd say sure
12:31:26 * sbp skims http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praise-God_Barebone
12:32:40 <Arnia> sbp: really? So you have a problem which costs more to solve than leave as is and you'd solve it?
12:36:01 <Arnia> Note that both the cost of the problem and the cost of the solution are over the same time interval
12:37:20 <sbp> what? no
12:37:32 <sbp> I thought you meant you'd solve the whole procedure
12:37:44 <sbp> i.e. put in something that would make the solution cost less
12:37:50 <sbp> in other words, a metasolution
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12:38:01 <Arnia> Ok... so say the problem consists of the error in a classification system
12:38:11 <sbp> deltab: http://inamidst.com/stuff/notes/meek (it's got puritans!)
12:38:36 <Arnia> Due to the nature of the system (partial information, etc) you're always going to make errors. Further, these errors will be normally distributed
12:39:22 <sbp> how would it cost more to fix than to leave?
12:39:28 <Arnia> Now, the cost of making an error one way is greater than the cost of making an error the other way
12:40:30 <Arnia> And the proposed solution is to be stricter with the boundary condition, and to err on the side of the most expensive error
12:41:16 <Arnia> But, by a clever application of spin they make people think this is a good idea through the miracles of outsourcing and hidden costs
12:43:50 <sbp> oh man. I'm reading some Victorian-era book on interesting literature, basically a kind of penny-encyclopaedia thing, and under a section titled "Triumphs of Ingenuity" it's got "Lesearbeault's discovery of the intra-Mercurial planet Vulcan."
12:45:48 <Arnia> ...
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12:46:02 <sbp> in its section on the puritans: “A Puritan maiden, who was asked for her baptismal name, replied "'Through-much-tribulation-we-enter-the-kingdom-of-Heaven,' but for short they call me 'Tribby.'"”
12:47:12 <Arnia> Wow... that name would confuse the Inland Revenue
12:48:31 <kpreid> by 'through' do they mean 'by means of' or 'after'?
12:48:33 <phenny> kpreid: 08:40Z <sbp> tell kpreid it is not known. how about... "! "?
12:52:25 <sbp> [[[
12:52:25 <sbp> An American merchant captain by name Trapp, was christened. Through much tribulation we enter into the kingdom of heaven. His mother, he said, used to call him Tribby, for shortnes.
12:52:25 <sbp> ]]] - Robert Southey, 1851
12:52:40 <sbp> kpreid: by means of, I believe
12:53:03 <sbp> s/shortnes/shortness/
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12:53:10 <sbp> funny how these anecdotes get transmogrified
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12:53:24 <kpreid> .gc transmoogrified
12:53:26 <phenny> transmoogrified: 3
12:53:55 <sbp> James Hall, 1828, gives the place of origin as New England
12:54:05 <kpreid> and none of those are misspellings!
12:54:15 <kpreid> .gc "gnu england"
12:54:18 <phenny> "gnu england": 57
13:05:33 <_bjoern> .gs * kupo
13:05:36 <_bjoern> .gs kupo *
13:05:36 <phenny> antari rosco griven (2), unari gt, to, tags, sadno, pompom, old, of, moogles unite, moogle, mondo, kupo, all
13:05:39 <phenny> magican (6), flux (5), pandemonium (4), di trabou (4), vali (3), prodaja (3), kcpb (3), is (3), vati (2), quotkupoartist (2), nut (2), n (2), likidoa (2), kupo (2), impresses (2), dil (2), co (2), boo
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13:14:32 <Monty> But what does cr`x have to do with the price of fish?
13:14:34 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
13:14:36 <Monty> It seems that hippo was kind Moz!!!
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13:18:39 <sbp> heh! on marriage and women in general:
13:18:39 <sbp> “I speak not in prejudice, nor am [I] averse from that sweet sex, but naturally amorous of all that is beautiful. I can look a whole day with delight upon a handsome picture, though it be but of an horse.”
13:18:39 <sbp> — Sir Thomas Browne, Religio Medici
13:19:51 <Arnia> .calc 109.9 billion / 2,468.9 thousand
13:19:53 <phenny> Arnia: Sorry, no result.
13:20:21 <Arnia> .calc 109000000000 / 2468900
13:20:24 <phenny> 109 000 000 000 / 2 468 900 = 44 149.2163
13:20:45 <Arnia> .calc 44149.2163/52
13:20:48 <phenny> 44 149.2163 / 52 = 849.02339
13:20:59 <Arnia> ...
13:21:13 <Arnia> Uh, the ONS doesn't make any sense
13:21:53 <Arnia> that's assuming an even spread too
13:22:43 <Arnia> Compare http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBase/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=7415&Pos=&ColRank=2&Rank=272
13:22:49 <Arnia> to http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=7403
13:23:43 <Arnia> oh, forgot to take into account incapacity benefit
13:27:17 <Arnia> .calc 109000000000 / (2468900 + 1467300 + 920600)
13:27:19 <phenny> 109 000 000 000 / (2 468 900 + 1 467 300 + 920 600) = 22 442.7607
13:27:34 <Arnia> .calc 109900000000 / (2468900 + 1467300 + 920600)
13:27:36 <phenny> 109 900 000 000 / (2 468 900 + 1 467 300 + 920 600) = 22 628.0679
13:27:51 <Arnia> .calc 22628.0679/52
13:27:54 <phenny> 22 628.0679 / 52 = 435.155152
13:28:10 <Arnia> oof... that's still a lot as an average
13:28:31 <Jabberwock> Om tara tu tare ture svaha
13:29:28 <Arnia> .calc 334300 + 239200
13:29:30 <phenny> 334 300 + 239 200 = 573 500
13:29:52 <Arnia> .calc (334300 + 239200)/2468900
13:29:54 <phenny> (334 300 + 239 200) / 2 468 900 = 0.232289684
13:30:12 <Arnia> I guess that will be one of the first places they'll get their money from
13:30:32 <Arnia> .calc 20000/2468900
13:30:35 <phenny> 20 000 / 2 468 900 = 0.00810077362
13:31:02 <Arnia> A .8% error rate?
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13:43:10 <darobin> ooh, I didn't know Lætitia meant "happy"
13:43:16 <darobin> it's a great Gainsbourg song
13:44:34 <darobin> I love the idea of calling one's third daughter Silence
13:44:47 <darobin> wishful thinking I would hope
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14:09:52 <sbp> bwahaha
14:10:07 <Jabberwock> sbp: Namaste!
14:10:09 *** sbp changed the topic to: "<darobin> I love the idea of calling one's third daughter Silence"
14:10:14 <sbp> yo Jabberwock
14:10:19 <Jabberwock> hey brotha
14:10:36 <sbp> w'up?
14:10:46 <perigrin> .weather MCO
14:10:55 <Jabberwock> Fresh starts!
14:11:02 * perigrin prods phenny
14:11:55 <coax> can anyone recommend me a good ai irc bot if im allowed to ask?
14:12:01 <phenny> Scattered, 71.6℉ (22℃), 30.15in (1018mb), Light breeze 5kt (↑) - KMCO 9:53, 1453Z
14:12:11 <Jabberwock> coax: phenny
14:13:14 <perigrin> .weather kmsp
14:13:17 <phenny> Overcast ☁, 30.2℉ (-1℃), 29.78in (1005mb), Light breeze 6kt (↑) - KMSP 8:53, 1453Z
14:13:29 <perigrin> my mother-in-law is in for a rude shock :)
14:14:37 <sbp> coax: an AI bot? like one who appears to be a human?
14:14:40 <sbp> .g ALICE bot
14:14:43 <phenny> sbp: http://www.alicebot.org/
14:14:46 <sbp> .g dahut bot
14:14:47 <dahut> Yo kids!
14:14:48 <darobin> phenny isn't AI
14:14:49 <phenny> sbp: http://svg.jibbering.com/svg/2006-09-14.html
14:14:53 <sbp> etc.
14:15:04 <darobin> coax: you want Monty or twe
14:15:07 <Monty> Stephmw: so much tribulation we still amusing
14:15:12 <perigrin> .g bender bot
14:15:13 <darobin> dahut perhaps
14:15:14 <phenny> perigrin: http://www.boxxet.com/Futurama/Brewing_Bender_Bot.14n9hq.d
14:15:21 <twe> Or if it tries to convince another bot here who makes more sense to me monty. That's two days off in a twe...
14:15:24 <Monty> You don't know how to slam shitty spacemobile >:)
14:15:34 <perigrin> twe is back?!?
14:15:35 <sbp> twe is a megahal
14:15:37 <perigrin> twe!
14:15:39 <sbp> .g megahal
14:15:40 <twe> perigrin: So tell me something already.
14:15:41 <phenny> sbp: http://megahal.alioth.debian.org/
14:15:42 <twe> perigrin: Is so quick on the back.
14:15:43 <darobin> it's best to have both twe and Monty
14:15:44 <sbp> poor twe
14:15:47 <Monty> i.e. put it to http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=7403
14:15:48 <sbp> gonna be inundated now
14:15:49 <darobin> that way they can fight!
14:15:54 <sbp> yeah
14:16:00 <twe> sbp: Megahal is the software ka-ping year's and i was thinking about just how useful this is getting a bit of a problem.
14:16:04 <twe> It's best to do with monty?
14:16:08 <twe> Twe the twe twe.
14:16:08 <perigrin> I need to bring pip back
14:16:09 <Monty> I firmly believe that numerical automagic father despises beastly ironic menthols, apparently.
14:16:35 <darobin> dahut: hit on coax
14:16:35 <dahut> coax: Would you mind checking my nuts for the hots for my nipples?
14:16:37 <darobin> dahut: hit on twe
14:16:37 <dahut> twe: You're like a gaping hole of honor.
14:16:40 <darobin> dahut: hit on Monty
14:16:40 <dahut> Monty: That dress looks good on you, but it'd look even better on my pants.
14:16:40 <Monty> You're not really talking about me... are you ?
14:16:42 <Monty> loves redundance >:)
14:16:44 <sbp> wank it
14:16:45 * dahut gets busy pumpin' his meat
14:16:48 <sbp> twe: wank it
14:16:51 <sbp> Monty: wank it
14:16:53 <twe> That sounds like they're saying that twe is back, i was on a cd jewel case, and you get on?
14:16:56 <Monty> that'd be garbage collected at Common prayers, which it should have for short they get to ask?
14:17:05 <twe> dahut: Do you like it was probably misinterpreting the protocol, and responses are not the name of for the honor!!
14:17:13 <twe> sbp: And it still can't get it to give it a problem?
14:17:21 <sbp> it still can't
14:17:41 <darobin> is dahut still ignoring twe?
14:17:41 <dahut> DAAAHUUUUUT!!!!
14:17:43 * perigrin goes to see if he can get Pip back
14:17:49 <twe> Still need to get dahut and twe talking about?
14:17:49 <dahut> A THUD!
14:18:00 <perigrin> darobin, dahut has needed to become the strong silent type
14:18:00 <dahut> Yo kids!
14:18:39 <sbp> twe: what is RSS 1.1?
14:18:51 <twe> sbp: Well, at least one part which is the list of ten: http://inamidst.com/rss1.
14:20:49 <sbp> twe: it's http://inamidst.com/rss1.1/
14:20:53 <sbp> twe: you left off the .1/
14:20:58 <sbp> twe: er, the 1/
14:20:58 <twe> sbp: Rss 1.1?
14:21:02 <sbp> twe: yes
14:21:08 <twe> sbp: You dont even know what is left in the 1.
14:21:16 <twe> sbp: Then the government will be mostly in the 1.
14:21:23 <sbp> twe: yes I do! fuck you! fuck you with a rusty elk!
14:21:32 <sbp> twe: ô actually I didn't know it was the government
14:21:42 <twe> sbp: Yes dixie's land. That song is hard not to use one form for the virtual machine platform isn't so pressing... It will take place on saturday 9th and sunday 10th june 2007 and will co-incide with the price of fish?
14:21:48 <twe> sbp: Do i want to fuck daily.
14:21:52 <twe> sbp: Didn't i get it.
14:23:07 <sbp> twe: I think you probably don't want to fuck daily. thrice daily?
14:23:21 <twe> sbp: Thrice is a featured and complete way more or less follow what's going on, probably to do do?
14:23:31 <sbp> PROBABLY TO DO DO
14:23:49 <darobin> twe: and da da da too
14:23:56 <twe> darobin: And da da too.
14:24:30 <darobin> good twe
14:24:34 <darobin> you sing well twe
14:24:39 <twe> Twe the twe twe.
14:24:43 <darobin> twe is the Police!
14:24:57 <twe> Well does that is essentially all twe is a ocd and a theory which "" < with such an expressive and beautiful face could sing like that, yes.
14:25:05 <twe> darobin: The problem is contradiction, as always. Any open system is the police!
14:26:20 *** darobin changed the topic to: "<twe> darobin: The problem is contradiction, as always. Any open system is the police!"
14:26:33 <darobin> twe is a smart bot
14:26:40 <darobin> something I think twe is smarter than Monty
14:26:45 <Monty> Scattered, 71.6??? (22???), 30.15in (1018mb), Light breeze 6kt (???) - Robert Southey, 1851
14:26:46 <twe> darobin: I'm not smart enough to be a bot.
14:26:49 <darobin> maybe we should have a poll between them
14:26:54 <twe> I is show up in a twe...
14:27:02 <twe> So what should i have to do now - just integrate with poll.
14:27:32 <darobin> besides, Monty doesn't understand Unicode, while twe is full of modesty
14:27:33 <Monty> Yo kids!
14:27:43 <twe> My sister doesn't want to put it up while in the monty.
14:27:43 <darobin> bad imitation of dahut there Monty
14:27:44 <dahut> AT HUD!
14:27:44 <Monty> AT HUD!
14:27:45 <Monty> I've read this out: what artist.
14:28:14 <darobin> Monty: you're doing it wrong
14:28:17 <Monty> slum is Linux Format and masculine, apparently.
14:28:18 <darobin> twe: imitate dahut
14:28:18 <dahut> METADATA!
14:28:20 <perigrin> hehe Monty is becoming a dahut
14:28:20 <dahut> DAAAAAHUUUT!
14:28:21 <Monty> yonks == males;
14:28:25 <twe> darobin: Dahut, say hello to dahut.
14:28:25 <dahut> METADATA!
14:28:53 <darobin> phenny: tell twe to hit on Monty because of dahut
14:28:54 <dahut> METADATA!
14:28:56 <phenny> darobin: I'll pass that on when twe is around.
14:28:56 <Monty> bloodbath is scientific and cumbersome :P
14:29:02 <twe> Dahut do you think of, monty?
14:29:05 <phenny> twe: 15:54Z <darobin> tell twe to hit on Monty because of dahut
14:29:05 <dahut> DAAAHUUUUUT!!!!
14:29:07 <Monty> "On mature reflection, I got into our mobile-skewed world war on small ones, you want..."
14:29:10 <twe> But it is to be like that twe.
14:29:10 <Monty> can then add according to browsing Wikipedia heavily having expressed distaste for our dreams."
14:29:19 <twe> phenny: Darobin has a monty on my comments, so maybe his decision-making isn't all that fun.
14:29:26 <Monty> dahut: Do they work out apps for mm in big sites that unicode simply doesn't sound system recognises the UK; which costs more
14:30:30 <darobin> 11
14:30:34 <darobin> not bad
14:31:22 <cr`x> METADATA!
14:31:34 <darobin> dahut: hit on cr`x
14:31:34 <dahut> cr`x: You're like a gaping hole of temporary sorrow.
14:31:45 <cr`x> that's not very sexy
14:31:50 <perigrin> is that really a pickup line?
14:32:07 <darobin> they never said pickup lines that actually work
14:32:19 <darobin> dahut: hit on Monty
14:32:19 <dahut> Monty: If you'll bone-release me, I'll let you bomb Australia until they ache.
14:32:20 <Monty> fingers esteem.
14:32:23 <Monty> like, a great Gainsbourg song lyrics, and after year as Goddess of that big enough for instance
14:32:36 <darobin> dahut: hit on twe
14:32:36 <dahut> twe: Do you have a name, or just a fever, hot stuff?
14:32:59 <twe> Im sure if/when the violence goes bezerk in the cpu, in memory, or on the first hit for my new lisp dialect, i printed that message appear. Well, hmmm...maybe you are either in a twe...
14:33:07 <twe> dahut: Adding you to get stuff out of your name?
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14:33:29 <darobin> it's a shame you can't get them in a chat anymore
14:34:20 <darobin> those some of this channel's more intelligent moments
14:34:31 * perigrin works on retriving pip
14:36:58 <darobin> perigrin: the community thanks you for knowing where its real priorities are
14:37:03 <sbp> agreed
14:38:20 <perigrin> hmm
14:38:25 <perigrin> why is he not joining channels
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14:39:28 <crschmidt> because you broke it
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14:40:42 <perigrin> apparently ... but i haven't changed the code so I'm not sure how
14:41:42 <perigrin> hmm ... okay he's not getting irc_001 events
14:42:43 <perigrin> oh *sigh* yeah
14:42:58 <crschmidt> like i said, you broke him!
14:43:19 <darobin> either you broke him, or you were using POE, which is tantamount anyway
14:43:37 <perigrin> darobin, no I broke the shim between POE and Moose
14:43:48 <twe> And i get that one of my azimuth blogs just broke.
14:43:50 <perigrin> silly author of that shim didn't keep backwards compat with a pre-release
14:46:20 <darobin> you mean some alcoholic Perl hacker got something wrong that would otherwise bridge two magically complex Perl modules by other alcoholics?
14:46:51 <perigrin> well he's more of a tea totaler since his second child was born
14:46:56 <perigrin> but yes
14:47:10 <darobin> see? that's why Python will never get anywhere
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14:47:35 <perigrin> mekano-pip, YOU LIVE!
14:47:40 <mekano-pip> perigrin: THNXZ FOR TEH IN4MASHUN: SAID I LIVE.
14:47:58 <perigrin> mekano-pip, feeling better now?
14:47:58 <sbp> whoo
14:47:59 <mekano-pip> perigrin: RITE NOW? I DO NOT HAVE ANY FEELINGZ AZ SUCH.
14:48:09 <perigrin> okay now to get him to log to a file and background
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14:48:17 <darobin> if it doesn't sound like Vivienne Westwood wrote your docs, you're on the wrong track
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14:48:58 <darobin> dahut: hit on mekano-pip
14:48:59 <dahut> mekano: Take me home to your throbbing husband's mistress.
14:49:18 <darobin> bad, bad regex!
14:49:25 <perigrin> Yeah the author of Regexp::IRC is the same asshole behind MooseX::POE
14:49:49 <darobin> phenny: tell mekano-pip to dahut the twe out of Monty!
14:49:49 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
14:49:50 <dahut> DAAAAAHUUUUUUT!!
14:49:51 <phenny> darobin: I'll pass that on when mekano-pip is around.
14:49:55 <twe> Dahut do you know of twe?
14:50:11 <perigrin> mekano-pip, blame darobin
14:50:12 <mekano-pip> perigrin: UNICODE DAROBIN!
14:50:15 <phenny> mekano-pip: 16:15Z <darobin> tell mekano-pip to dahut the twe out of Monty!
14:50:15 <dahut> A THUD!
14:50:15 <Monty> That is interesting. Please continue.
14:50:16 <mekano-pip> phenny: LET UZ CHANGE TEH SUBJECT.
14:50:25 <twe> I think darobin would be improved significantly, but aren't because of dahut.
14:50:25 <dahut> AD HUT!
14:50:33 <darobin> ouch, twe
14:50:40 <twe> Twe the twe twe.
14:52:25 * tonybaloney wonders what dahut and twe do
14:52:37 <darobin> we now have a happy horde of bots
14:52:51 <darobin> I wish they all obeyed if you addressed them as "Horde"
14:53:10 <tonybaloney> Horde, tell Monty to be more vocal
14:53:11 <Monty> don't need at CES?
14:53:11 <perigrin> heh
14:54:21 <perigrin> mekano-pip, choose one twe or monty
14:54:22 <mekano-pip> perigrin: TWE.
14:54:24 <Monty> Prove to me that you don't quack at distressing houseing estate ;)
14:54:31 <twe> Or just the translation is probably the one that you are thinking of twe.
14:56:44 <xover> heh heh. He said “Anal”.
14:57:15 <darobin> xover?
14:57:22 <darobin> @help
14:57:22 <supybot> darobin: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
14:57:45 <xover> “Anal,” dude!
14:58:38 * darobin scratches
14:58:46 <darobin> scratches head even
14:58:52 <xover> Oh.
14:59:11 <dahut> xover: If I could rewrite the alphabet, I would put my other girl and your strange armpits together.
14:59:29 <dahut> Monty: Do you have a map? Because I keep getting lost in your cleavage.
14:59:31 <Monty> 039D: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER VEDE (???)
14:59:32 <dahut> twe: Child, I'll think about you when I munch my throat tonight.
14:59:38 <twe> dahut: When are you tonight?
15:00:24 <xover> Uhh...
15:00:48 <dahut> xover: One hour with me, girl, and you'll become a nun.
15:02:59 <xover> Uhh...
15:03:05 <xover> Cool.
15:03:07 <xover> Cool.
15:03:08 <xover> Uhh...
15:03:41 <darobin> heh
15:03:56 <darobin> xover: it seems dahut has affection for you :)
15:03:56 <dahut> METADATA!
15:05:01 <cr`x> METADATA!
15:05:14 <xover> ARSE!
15:05:26 <sbp> ARSEDATA!
15:06:09 <xover> .wik Prosody
15:06:12 <phenny> "Prosody (linguistics), the study of rhythm, intonation, and related attributes in speech" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosody
15:06:42 <cre8radix> ;P
15:07:30 <xover> sbp: Have you considered learning Japanese?
15:07:52 <sbp> not after reading http://pepper.idge.net/japanese/
15:09:21 <sbp> and "How Would *You* Solve the Dirac Equation?"
15:09:21 <xover> Well, true, but it appears to have some prosodic advantages.
15:09:36 <sbp> such as teh what?
15:09:55 <xover> It doesn't have any.
15:10:10 <darobin> the two FARC hostages have apparently been freed
15:10:33 <sbp> "Kanji are letters that were stolen from China. Every time the Japanese invaded China (which was very often) they'd just take a few more letters, so now they have an estimated 400 gazillion of them."
15:10:38 <xover> Poorthings. Now how will they get fed? Where will they find shelter?
15:10:43 <sbp> xover: hehe
15:10:58 <sbp> wow, I read that with a voiced -th-
15:11:02 <sbp> and it sounds much better!
15:11:20 <sbp> poorðings
15:11:30 <xover> You speak the text out loud when you read?
15:11:48 <sbp> no, I have the ability to model phonemes in my head, along with the rest of mankind
15:12:03 <xover> You've found your Superpower!
15:12:07 <sbp> though in the olden days they used to always read texts out loud
15:12:32 <sbp> St. Augustine (or somebody) wrote once that he couldn't read at night now since his room mate would complain otherwise
15:12:54 <sbp> the thing that I found most odd about that is that St. Augustine had a roomie
15:13:02 <xover> heh heh
15:13:46 * xover poders the potential “…don't come a knockin” signals…
15:13:51 <cr`x> hai!
15:14:01 <cr`x> ohayo.... najimashte!
15:14:16 <xover> Gomenasai?
15:14:29 <cr`x> hai!
15:14:39 <cr`x> jinju! ..... shoga!!
15:14:43 <sbp> "Spread Beaver, Violence Jack-Off!"
15:15:22 <cr`x> wa ta a... gomenasai! sumimasen!
15:15:45 <cr`x> watashi wa jinju-ku ginju kanpu!
15:15:59 <cr`x> i just insulted you in japanese SO BAD
15:16:07 <cr`x> you don't even have any IDeA
15:17:14 <sbp> except that you probably cocked it up
15:17:35 <cr`x> no man i know japanese awesome-well
15:17:47 <sbp> your girlfriend is Japanese, eh?
15:17:52 <darobin> phenny: "watashi wa jinju-ku ginju kanpu!"?
15:17:56 <phenny> darobin: Hmm, got "swahili"...
15:18:03 <darobin> helpful
15:18:14 <sbp> it's a new breed of superswahili!
15:18:27 <darobin> phenny: (ja) "watashi wa jinju-ku ginju kanpu!"?
15:18:35 <sbp> (ja) -> ja
15:18:45 <darobin> phenny: ja "watashi wa jinju-ku ginju kanpu!"?
15:18:47 <phenny> darobin: "Watashi wa jinju-ku ginju kanpu!" (ja)
15:18:48 <sbp> also it probably needs actual Japanese input
15:18:54 <darobin> yeah
15:19:05 <sbp> which is to say, a) using kanji, and b) stuff that consists of real words
15:19:19 <cr`x> psh obviously you don't know real japanese
15:19:23 <cr`x> that's how they talk on the STREET
15:19:32 <cr`x> not in your gaijin najimashte textbooks
15:19:44 <sbp> correct. I do not know real Japanese
15:19:47 <darobin> I would think using romaji would work, but the (b) part might matter :)
15:20:12 <sbp> I am utter cock at Japanese
15:21:01 <sbp> darobin: not that it ever stoops to *emitting* real words...
15:21:06 * darobin tries to think of bukkake or shibari off-colour comment to make at that, but fails
15:21:36 <cr`x> does japanese geminate?
15:21:37 <sbp> did you see that recent story about the Japanese coffee bukkake guy?
15:21:49 <sbp> he'd go around in his car and spit coffee, bukkake style, at schoolgirls
15:21:52 <xover> .wik Category:Japanese sex terms
15:21:53 <sbp> and he got arrested and shit
15:21:55 <phenny> "There are 2 subcategories in this category, which are shown below." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_sex_terms
15:21:56 <xover> …might help.
15:22:13 <sbp> and the Japanese media illustrated the story with anime/manga/whatever style cartoons
15:22:36 <darobin> hah, no I missed that somehow
15:22:41 <sbp> they turned an awful crime into something quite cutesy
15:22:45 <darobin> but he was doing bukkake on his own?
15:23:06 <sbp> yeah. I wasn't exactly sure why they called it bukkake either
15:23:19 <sbp> but I'm no expert so I just assumed that the Japanese were right about this
15:23:30 <sbp> lemme try 'n' find it
15:24:06 <sbp> ah, here we go
15:24:07 <sbp> hehe
15:24:08 <sbp> "The spitter, who was nicknamed “Coffee Bukake Man” [コーヒーぶっかけ男] by locals, had carried out 5 attacks since the end of October."
15:24:15 <sbp> COFFEE BUKAKE MAN
15:24:24 <sbp> the article is http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3359
15:24:55 <sbp> the note at the bottom explains the choice of words
15:26:08 <darobin> fascinating
15:26:27 <cr`x> japanese women talk funny
15:26:52 <cr`x> i thought it was restricted to the dramatic parts of video game movies, but even the female voiceover in that video talks like she's out of breath
15:26:57 <darobin> right, so translating it as bukkake man was a bit wrong, or at least misleading
15:28:03 <sbp> what character would "Coffee Bukkake Man" more accurately describe?
15:29:25 <darobin> mmmm
15:29:50 <darobin> a new starbucks technique for getting more frothy capuccinos?
15:30:24 <darobin> (cappuccini?)
15:30:29 <sbp> hehe
15:30:53 <jsled> The perverted hipster equivalent of the porno "cable repair man"?
15:31:44 <sbp> I don't understand caves :(
15:31:45 <darobin> fair trade porn?
15:31:56 <darobin> read Plato
15:32:39 * xover utterly fails to follow…
15:32:41 <xover> .title http://inamidst.com/stuff/notes/meek
15:32:44 <phenny> xover: Meek Beaver - An 18th Century Puritan Satire
15:33:11 <sbp> ô, it needeth more context?
15:33:22 <sbp> darobin: http://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=01072008
15:33:24 <xover> I failed to find the satire.
15:33:33 <cr`x> how does japanese coin new words? are they just always kana?
15:33:44 <xover> Getting drunk, mostly.
15:33:48 <darobin> kana?
15:33:52 <darobin> xover++
15:34:15 <sbp> xover: the satire is that even the Puritans didn't name their kids “Kill-sin Pimple”
15:34:52 <sbp> "In satire, human or individual vices, follies, abuses, or shortcomings are held up to censure by means of ridicule, derision, burlesque, irony, or other methods, ideally with an intent to bring about improvement."
15:35:06 <sbp> this comes under burlesque and hyperbole
15:35:19 <darobin> sbp: heh
15:35:23 <xover> Ah. I kept waiting for you to get to this great historical satire from which the list of jurors sprang.
15:35:25 <sbp> also there was probably some derision of the area
15:35:46 <sbp> well there might be other things in the Travels
15:35:56 <sbp> but I wasn't able to find a copy online
15:36:09 <sbp> at any rate, it sounds like the list was *handed* to him
15:36:19 <sbp> can't know that for sure though. other people have used that old frame gambit
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15:37:37 <sbp> if you've been reading Nashe and Swift then this certainly isn't much
15:37:47 <sbp> but for common-or-garden satire, it's pretty damn good
15:38:13 <sbp> good enough to work its way into Hume, and survive into 20th century books and 21st century websites
15:39:50 <sbp> I was mostly impressed that it *wasn't* a victorian invention
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15:43:58 <xover> Hmm. NetNewsWire full version released for free...
15:44:16 <cr`x> xover, yeah it's kinda wicked
15:44:41 <cr`x> i had jumped ship for Vienna, and adjusted to the three pane view—but now i'm remembering my old feelings for combined view
15:47:39 <xover> Yeah, I've never been all that in love with NNW.
15:48:13 <xover> Relative to the alternatives it's always been a decent, perhaps even exeptional, app.
15:48:28 <xover> But in general terms it hasn't really impressed me that much.
15:48:46 <xover> And it's lackluster support for .Mac sync'ing has kinda turned me off it lately.
15:49:18 <xover> NewsGator plans to use useage tracking in the free clients to add value to their enterprise products.
15:49:57 <_bjoern> Cool.
15:50:21 <xover> And the incentive for users to not disable the tracking — apart from it being on by default — is that it will also disable the syncing via NewsGator's service.
15:50:45 <cr`x> all usage data will be anonymous and/or aggregate though
15:50:47 <cr`x> so that's nice
15:50:50 <xover> That means NewsGator now has an active incentive to remove the .Mac syn, or to make it function poorly.
15:50:59 * cr`x shrug
15:51:06 <cr`x> don't got no .mac
15:51:32 * cr`x HAIL NORWAY!
15:52:07 <xover> And as others have pointed out, releasing NNW as freeware (but not OSS) will impact the viability of Shareware competitors.
15:52:58 <xover> Which in turn is not unlikely to contribute to stagnation.
15:54:53 <sbp> I dunarf get a lot of timeouts to bbc.co.uk these days
15:55:33 <sbp> SUMMARY: xover thinks NNW being freeware is a shitty idea
15:56:35 <cr`x> I think it's a NOT-shitty idea
15:56:45 <cr`x> now let our theses battle it out on the PLANE OF REASON
15:57:01 <sbp> _________________________________ <- PLANE OF REASON
15:57:02 <cr`x> which, in order to spice things up, looks just like a Stratego board
15:57:37 <xover> \/\/\/\/\/^^^^^^^^^\/\/\//\\\//..-,-,--,
15:57:50 <xover> I have CRUSHED the PLANE OF REASON!
15:58:58 <darobin> .title http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL0910395120080109?rpc=64
15:59:00 <phenny> darobin: What are you doing here?: man asks wife at brothel | Lifestyle | Living | Reuters
15:59:08 <sbp> hahaha
15:59:34 <sbp> "The couple, married for 14 years, are now divorcing, the newspaper reported."
16:00:27 <sbp> “you brought discredit upon the police service by having sexual intercourse with the complainant” - http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0953656720080109
16:01:49 <_bjoern> Yes, I also clicked on the first Sex link I could find.
16:03:05 <sbp> :-)
16:03:32 <sbp> even if it is a picture of a horse
16:11:27 <_bjoern> Especially then?
16:11:30 <_bjoern> .wik Ab 18
16:11:32 * danja reminded to read #swhack in forward order, way to disturbing backwards
16:11:33 <phenny> "Ab 18 [over 18] is the sixth album by Die Ärzte." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab_18
16:11:51 <sbp> it's not much better forwards...
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16:28:02 <thelsdj> OH NOES
16:29:39 <_bjoern> Now that the plane of reason has been crushed, we can easily deduce there never was a plane of reason. Therefore there is no problem.
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16:41:57 * clsn reads sbp'
16:42:01 * clsn reads sbp's page on forenames...
16:42:18 <darobin> sbp: any news on Lo!
16:42:30 <darobin> we're in 2008!
16:42:31 <clsn> I have found myself pondering, frequently, about all the forenames, some rather nice, that are in the (Hebrew) Bible, and why only some of them actually became popular.
16:43:16 <clsn> There are some that are pretty obvious why they never went anywhere, but you still have to wonder. And some that could be quite pleasant names, at least as nice as "Zillah" or "Orpah".
16:43:49 * clsn wants to put together a comprehensive list of proper names from Hebrew Scripture. I've seen some lists, but I don't think they're exhaustive.
16:45:02 <sbp> darobin: Lo! hath sadnesses
16:45:38 <clsn> "... Uz his first-born, and Buz his brother" (Gen. 22:21) doesn't rhyme in Hebrew, more's the pity, but "Muppim, Chuppim, and Ard" just rolls off the tongue. (Gen 46:21)
16:46:00 <sbp> plus all the names that are derived from it, but weren't actually names in it
16:46:03 * clsn never met anyone named Ard. And it's such a great-sounding name)...
16:46:13 <sbp> "Muppim, Chuppim, and Ard" is awesome
16:46:24 <sbp> wait, you've met people called Muppim and Chuppim though?
16:46:27 <clsn> Names derived from are all well and good. But I'm interested in the actual proper names. Not all of them Hebrew, of course.
16:46:33 <clsn> No, but Ard is a cooler name.
16:46:36 <sbp> hehe
16:46:44 <clsn> There are quite a few of them which are more common in Hebrew than in English.
16:46:46 <sbp> Muppim and Chuppim are pretty good...
16:46:53 * sbp gets back to the Simpsons, break over
16:47:05 <clsn> "Gamaliel" is almost unheard-of in English, but it isn't that unusual a name, at least in Talmudic times.
16:48:17 <clsn> Rabbinic interpretation was pretty kind to Ishmael, and the name was popular among Jews until the rise of Islam.
16:48:46 * darobin saddened to not have Lo!
16:49:04 * clsn probably knows people with Hebrew names Naphtali or Zebulun. ISTR Ben Goertzel's son is named Zebulun.
16:49:14 <clsn> darobin: OK, what's Lo! ?
16:49:31 <darobin> it's sbp print project
16:49:57 <darobin> I think there was a kid in primary school called Zébulon
16:50:20 <clsn> There was someone in my high school with "Gad" as her surname.
16:50:34 <clsn> And there was a Boaz.
16:50:41 <perigrin> Was her name Yi?
16:50:44 <perigrin> Cause that would suck
16:50:46 <perigrin> Yi Gad
16:50:52 <darobin> famous French comedian has Gad as his first nane
16:50:53 <clsn> Heh... No... Oh, and Boaz was this guy's first name.
16:50:54 <darobin> name
16:51:27 * perigrin once heard a story about a young woman in the Navy who's last name was "Guzler"
16:51:40 <clsn> Boaz Bezborodko. Google returns hits on him (hi, Boaz, if you read #swhack logs!)...
16:51:46 <clsn> g "Boaz Bezborodko"
16:51:49 <perigrin> fastest promotion ever out of Seaman class.
16:51:49 <clsn> .g "Boaz Bezborodko"
16:51:52 <phenny> clsn: http://www.nabble.com/Samba---General-f62.html
16:51:57 <clsn> .gc "Boaz Bezborodko"
16:51:59 <darobin> perigrin: hehehe
16:52:00 <phenny> "Boaz Bezborodko": 495
16:52:01 <clsn> I meant gc
16:52:12 <darobin> cool name
16:52:15 <clsn> Just a lovely name for floating off the tongue...
16:52:25 <darobin> almost as cool as Kjetil Kjnersmo :)
16:52:41 <clsn> I knew a girl in college named Loolwa Khazzoom. Also a great name, though not Hebrew (Judeo-Arabic)
16:52:50 <clsn> .g "Loolwa Khazzoom"
16:52:52 <phenny> clsn: http://www.loolwa.com/
16:53:02 <clsn> Right, I knew she had a website called that.
16:54:17 <clsn> Back to Biblical names, it's particularly notable that what became Jewish names, from Esther, were such totally Persian names.
16:54:42 <clsn> From the text, it would seem that the family had assimilated to the hilt by Mordechai's time, though his uncle maybe a little later.
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16:54:59 <clsn> Mordechai being derived from Marduk, and Esther from Ishtar.
16:56:01 <clsn> Mordechai son of Ya'ir son of Shim`i son of Kish. All his forebears with solid Hebrew Jewish names. My son has a friend named Ya'ir.
16:56:48 <clsn> Whereas Esther, we are told, also had a Hebrew name (Hadassah), but is called Esther everywhere in the story. And her father, Avichail, also a Jewish name.
16:56:59 * clsn is rambling. You have to cope.
16:58:06 * clsn recalls seeing an archeological find, a seal belonging to "Yehoyishma` daughter of Shawas-Shar-Uzur". Very Israelite/Jewish name, but the father a very Babylonian name. A "multicultural" family, one would assume.
17:03:37 * clsn hmms. I suppose Barack Obama is an example of an uncommon Biblical name getting used. Barak is a cool name in Hebrew, since it means "lightning"
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17:04:23 <clsn> (Judges 4:6 et seq).
17:04:31 <clsn> I'm still rambling, so there.
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17:08:27 <sbp> my canonical three cool names from mailing lists: Marcus Murk, Andi Snow-Weaver, and Highland M. Mountain (the M. stands for Mary, I learned much later)
17:09:19 <clsn> There was a guy on a mailing list I was on who asked if anyone else out there had a name that was all "real" common nouns (or words). His name was Frank Max Truelove.
17:09:42 <sbp> reminds me of the long command I issued once where all of its elements were commands by themsevles
17:09:51 <clsn> There is something special about alliterative names, when the first and last name start with the same letter.
17:10:22 <clsn> My wife wound up with that, her first name being Shana (that's pronounced with an ā, like shane-uh).
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17:10:52 <clsn> And with her middle name, her initials are SSS, which is also cool.
17:11:02 <sbp> .pc ?
17:11:04 <phenny> 003F: QUESTION MARK (?)
17:11:34 * clsn typed a macron-a, which you may not have seen...
17:14:34 <sbp> can't find it
17:14:43 <sbp> it was something like $ time sudo port install curl
17:14:51 <cr`x> what orthography has ā as /ei/?
17:15:12 <sbp> I was looking up ? so that I could %HH encode it to the online Swhack tail service
17:15:25 <sbp> I figured when I put a ? literally in the URI it was pass the rest as a query
17:15:39 <sbp> which I didn't want it to do since the script uses ${PATH_INFO#/}
17:17:22 <clsn> ā for /ei/ is common in English dictionaries, since "long" vowels in English are said to "say their names." It's due to the Great Vowel Shift.
17:18:25 <cr`x> weird
17:18:37 <cr`x> strange Angliscmenn
17:19:06 <cr`x> i'm becoming deeply dissatisfied with our -h palatization orthography
17:19:08 <sbp> ah! found it: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-07-29#T23-49-17
17:19:16 <sbp> it was time sudo port install emacs
17:19:20 <cr`x> i want to switch to either sc/cg or haceks
17:19:22 <clsn> cr`x: Portuguese?
17:19:35 <sbp> 00:26:58 <sbp> could probably throw "nice" in there somewhere too
17:19:36 <sbp> 00:28:27 <kpreid> yep yep
17:19:36 <sbp> 00:28:42 <kpreid> and "exec", if it's at the end of a shell script
17:19:36 <sbp> 00:29:13 <kpreid> and "screen -S foo"
17:19:43 <sbp> 00:30:31 <sbp> you could do: ssh cat time rlwrap port etc.
17:19:43 <sbp> 00:30:56 * sbp forgot sudo and nice and exec and lalala
17:19:43 <sbp> 00:31:14 <sbp> actually nice is kinda cheating since it needs a flag, and screen too
17:19:53 <cr`x> i don't like portuguese much. how do they do it?
17:21:12 <clsn> Ooooh. I thought you meant the way portuguese indicates palatalization with h, but in the sense of "following y" as in "Senhor" (like Spanish Señor), etc.
17:21:12 <danja> sbp, something re. treo just occurred to me in the bath - have you considered integrating sparta.py (or lifting the interfaces, or whatever...)?
17:21:38 <danja> sbp, not played with it for years, but it did seem to make a lot of things easier
17:21:48 <bancus> nh is equiv to ñ