00:00:33 <therethinker> .gs Welcome to *
00:00:36 <phenny> Welcome to *: sheffield (3), saddlebacks (3), oregon (3), ups (2), sipp (2), pottersville (2), postopia (2), learnplone (2), kyoto (2), jamrock (2), gamestation (2), fishermans (2), elsinore (2)
00:00:43 <therethinker> .gs "Welcome to the Internet"
00:00:45 <phenny> Query must have one "*" exactly
00:00:52 <therethinker> .gc "Welcome to the Internet"
00:00:55 <phenny> "Welcome to the Internet": 229,000
00:01:09 <therethinker> .gc "Welcome to Web 2.0"
00:01:12 <phenny> "Welcome to Web 2.0": 33,800
00:18:43 <Morbus> .gc wrist-slashing
00:18:45 <phenny> wrist-slashing: 2,150
00:18:48 <Morbus> .gc wrist slashing
00:18:50 <phenny> wrist slashing: 62,300
00:19:07 <nsh> .w ensconce
00:19:16 <phenny> ensconce v. 1: Fix firmly.
00:19:21 <nsh> .ety ensconce
00:19:23 <phenny> "1590, 'to cover with a fort,' from en- 'make, put in' + sconce 'small fortification, shelter,' probably from Du. schans 'earthwork.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=ensconce
00:20:04 <nwalsh> Perhaps OT, but does anyone know how to get multiple rows of tabs in firefox w/o the tabmixplus extension?
00:20:39 * nwalsh supposes he could undertake to reverse-engineer tmp
00:27:50 <deltab> http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/77
00:30:26 <nwalsh> Yeah, but either I didn't do that right or it doesn't work in the latest FF
00:32:13 <nsh> .gc "deep-sixed"
00:32:16 <phenny> "deep-sixed": 52,900
00:32:22 <nsh> .wik deep-six
00:32:26 <phenny> "Deep six is an American slang term that means, when used as a verb (as in 'to deep-six'), to ignore, get rid of, toss out, or throw overboard." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_six
00:36:54 <shminux> .ety deep-six
00:36:57 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "deep-six". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=deep-six
00:37:58 <nsh> wp says reference to fathoms or feet (for burial at sea or land, respectively)
01:04:30 <nsh> .w afferent
01:04:32 <phenny> afferent n. 1: A nerve that passes impulses from receptors toward or to the central nervous system
01:04:34 <phenny> afferent a. 1: Of nerves and nerve impulses.
01:04:49 <nsh> .w efferent
01:04:52 <phenny> efferent n. 1: A nerve that conveys impulses toward or to muscles or glands
01:04:54 <phenny> efferent a. 1: Of nerves and nerve impulses.
01:05:01 <nsh> .ety efferent
01:05:04 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "efferent". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=efferent
01:05:08 <nsh> .ety afferent
01:05:11 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "afferent". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=afferent
01:05:16 * nsh frowns
01:15:53 <_bjoern> NO, U !
01:16:16 <_bjoern> .gs no, * !
01:16:19 <phenny> no, * !: org
01:16:22 <_bjoern> .gs no, *
01:16:25 <phenny> no, *: starch (3), is (3), stank (2), space (2), shanatan (2), rx (2), reservations (2), norway (2), media (2), malice (2), logo (2), jobs books naomi (2), impact (2), fluff (2), clown (2
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01:31:31 <_bjoern> .gs * porn
01:31:34 <phenny> * porn: free (53), gay (16), hardcore (5), teens (3), teen (3), lesbian (3), and (3), adult (3), xxx (2), sleeks sickest (2), reality (2), of (2), jk (2), cartoon (2), bollard (2), amateur
01:31:47 <_bjoern> .gs hardcore *
01:31:50 <phenny> hardcore *: sex (9), porn (9), gamers (5), punk (4), gym (4), cycles (4), site (3), rap (3), radio (3), mustang drag racers (3), holocaust (3), helter skelter (3), the (2), sports (2), partyin
01:31:59 <_bjoern> .gs * sex
01:32:00 <clsn> hardcore holocaust??
01:32:02 <phenny> * sex: free (6), of (5), london (3), anal (3), wanna (2), videos (2), txdps (2), trocadero (2), tantric (2), registered (2), public (2), in (2), homemade (2), cam (2), your, you, with, we
01:32:12 <_bjoern> .g "hardcore holocaust"
01:32:14 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.hcholocaust.com/
01:32:27 <clsn> .title http://www.hcholocaust.com/
01:32:31 <phenny> clsn: HARDCORE HOLOCAUST Home hcholocaust.com hc/punk/crust mailorder & distribution
01:32:35 <_bjoern> .g "london sex"
01:32:36 <remote> .gs swhack
01:32:39 <phenny> Query must have one "*" exactly
01:32:39 <phenny> _bjoern: http://gridskipper.com/travel/london/paying-for-it-in-london-town-146251.php
01:32:55 <remote> .gs * swhack
01:32:59 <phenny> * swhack: the (2), planet (2), joined (2), z, of, freenode, for, apache python web
01:32:59 <remote> .gs swhack *
01:33:02 <phenny> swhack *: chatlogs (6), weblog (5), swhack swhack (3), logs (3), irc (2), freenode (2), discussion (2), and rdfig (2), zestyparser, xhack, writing, why, which seems, was brought, too, tipped
01:33:08 <_bjoern> You always pay for it. one way or the other.
01:34:18 <remote> .help gs
01:35:03 <_bjoern> phenny, help
01:35:05 <phenny> Hi, I'm phenny (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
01:35:08 <phenny> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, compare, email, event, gimage, google, googlecalc, googlecount, googledef, googlesplat, httphead, kalusa, mangle, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, rate, rates, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
01:35:11 <phenny> Try "phenny: help command?" if stuck. My owner is sbp.
01:35:22 <_bjoern> phenny, help googlesplat
01:35:24 <phenny> '.googlesplat <query> - Fill in the splat.'
01:35:24 <remote> and they say irc isn't productive, phenny is making a living out of it
01:36:08 <remote> .gs hack * earth
01:36:11 <phenny> hack * earth: google (9), vtv interlude (4), the (3), planet (3), down to (3), virtual (2), red treasure juke (2), manhas do impare (2), city (2), young, u h, to dwell on, terre dieu, server plu
01:36:41 <remote> how does it finds that information? ;-)
01:36:43 <_bjoern> .gs * the planet
01:36:46 <phenny> * the planet: wbcq (4), trashing (2), to (2), of (2), exploring (2), unpeople, tagging, superman returns, scrap, save, rescue, replumbing, protect, powering, pollute, off, neptune, maphack, in,
01:36:52 <_bjoern> it goes over the google results
01:37:16 <_bjoern> .g "superman returns the planet"
01:37:18 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/forumdisplay.php?f=5
01:37:22 <remote> .gs overdue * up kids
01:37:25 <phenny> overdue * up kids: get (67), by get (3), the get
01:37:32 <remote> very cool
01:37:47 <remote> is it useful though? (forgive my ignorance)
01:39:19 <_bjoern> well, the results are not very representative, but sometimes interesting or funny
01:39:57 <remote> they are representative
01:40:46 <remote> they represent the most popular search phrases based on your query
01:40:56 <_bjoern> they do?
01:41:04 <remote> lol that's funny
01:41:09 <remote> i believe so.
01:41:12 <remote> here's what i did...
01:41:25 <remote> _bjoern: actually, do you have google's firefox search "box" ?
01:41:53 <remote> that or select the search completion from google experiments in google labs to get search completion
01:42:27 <_bjoern> I don't go anywhere near firefox unless I have to. And I don't have any google ware at all...
01:43:01 <remote> enter any keyword, mangle one of the results replacing one or (maybe more) word(s) with an * and see it'll find the missing text in the same order
01:43:09 <remote> it's hard to explain, did you understand?
01:43:28 <remote> .gs overdue
01:43:30 <phenny> Query must have one "*" exactly
01:43:33 <remote> .gs overdue *
01:43:36 <phenny> overdue *: fines (7), lyrics (5), payment reminder (4), notices (4), megathrust (4), reinvestigations (3), customfield (3), blahg (3), bills (3), bill (3), accounts (3), update (2), torrent (
01:44:33 <remote> _bjoern: anyways, it seems to work when you define the beggining and the end of a search phrase at least ...
01:45:31 <remote> .gs internet * download
01:45:33 <phenny> internet * download: explorer (11), accelerator (5), spider (4), radiofan (4), security (3), freeware (3), component (3), tweak (2), speed booster (2), junkbuster (2), ftp (2), explorers (2), eraser (2
01:45:47 <twe> "Test of written english, a required component of the 2 elements with position:relative;, then you can download it.
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02:54:35 <Tene> .gs "* isn't free"
02:54:38 <phenny> * isn't free: freedom (19), tremulous (3), freedumb (2), winrk winrk, term freedom, spellingtime, pdflib, netchkpro, mcdonalds, frontpage, freedon, digitalblasphemy, dbpoweramp, bandwidth
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03:09:20 <shminux> if phenny crashes does it attempt to restart?
03:12:50 <MoiraA_> night
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03:35:36 <perigrin> shminux, no
03:35:58 <shminux> what if a network is down temporarily?
03:36:21 <shminux> does it try to reconnect?
03:36:26 <perigrin> nope
03:36:44 <shminux> hrm
03:36:46 <jsled> yuo lose.
03:36:46 <jsled> LOSE>
03:37:06 <shminux> phenny: help
03:37:09 <phenny> Hi, I'm phenny (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
03:37:12 <phenny> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, compare, email, event, gimage, google, googlecalc, googlecount, googledef, googlesplat, httphead, kalusa, mangle, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, rate, rates, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, title, tock, translate, validate, weather, wikipedia, wordlength2007, wordnet
03:37:15 <phenny> Try "phenny: help command?" if stuck. My owner is sbp.
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04:06:54 <procto> has everyone read SECRETDOX?
04:08:45 <Tene> .g SECRETDOX
04:08:48 <phenny> Tene: http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?POE::Component::Server::HTTPServer::BasicAuthenHandler
04:09:03 <jsled> this is (apparently) s3kr1t 5c1ent0l0gy filze?
04:09:27 <procto> jsled: yeah
04:09:33 <procto> jsled: looks authentic
04:09:45 <procto> jsled: contains large section og handwritten hubbard stuff
04:09:48 <procto> of*
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04:24:45 <procto> I'm invading britain in february!
04:25:15 <procto> thought I should warn you since there seems to be a high british population here
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04:39:00 <Tene> Monty: what say you about scientology?
04:39:02 <Monty> fisch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_Ledger
04:39:13 <Tene> and you, twe, scientology?
04:39:35 <twe> Oh, did i tell phenny that twe can do so i can hear perfectly, though for example should be able to see the typo until you find the etymology for "monty". Try http://etymonline.com/?term=scientology.
04:39:37 <Monty> d'oh. where she gets bad as Р, even
04:40:11 <Tene> .gc "Heath Ledger" scientology
04:40:14 <phenny> "Heath Ledger" scientology: 113,000
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06:44:11 <thelsdj_> BLOWFISH!
06:44:27 <thelsdj_> .gc shitrude
06:44:29 <phenny> shitrude: 135
06:44:35 <thelsdj_> .g shitrude
06:44:37 <phenny> thelsdj_: http://shitrude.com/
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07:09:02 <xover> .title http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Senator_Dodd_renews_call_against_Telecom_0123.html
07:09:20 <phenny> xover: The Raw Story | Senator Dodd renews call against telecom immunity
07:10:34 <xover> Video from CSPAN of Sen. Dodd speaking, passionately, on the Retroactive Immunity for Telcos in the FISA bill (via BB).
07:12:46 <xover> He quotes the EFF on the Senate floor.
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07:19:46 <xover> And he's not much pulling his punches when talking about Bush's threat to veto a bill without retroactive immunity.
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07:30:48 <xover> .t EST
07:30:50 <phenny> Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:07:52 EST
07:31:23 <xover> So in a little over 5 hours from now, anyone with CSPAN access may want to tune in.
07:31:51 <xover> They pick up again at 9:30 EST, and the FISA bill will be the main issue.
07:32:32 <xover> And Sen. Dodd has outright warned that he will filibuster the bill so long as the retroactive immunity for the telcos stand.
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07:38:58 <xover> Hmm. Will probably be on C-SPAN2, and streamed live in Real and WMV from <http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2>.
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07:53:20 <sbp> yoings
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07:57:06 <Monty> But what does comzeradd have to do with the price of fish?
07:57:08 <Monty> bah, it's chandler again
07:57:09 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
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07:57:17 <Monty> OOh, that's glamarous but most often connected too late, futures on Oink, nailing folks motivated developer than its users don't take packed lunch at 01/02
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08:00:01 <sbp> nice: http://federali.st/
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08:02:29 <Monty> bah, it's darobin again
08:02:49 <darobin> hey Monty, delighted to see you too
08:02:50 <Monty> open LXF.
08:03:31 <thelsdj_> twizzlebop
08:03:56 <thelsdj_> .gc twizzlebop
08:03:59 <phenny> twizzlebop: 0
08:04:02 <thelsdj_> wow
08:05:14 <sbp> no twizzlebopping
08:05:16 <sbp> howdy!
08:05:30 <thelsdj_> yo
08:05:34 <sbp> did you see xover's CSPAN note?
08:05:59 <thelsdj_> didn't look but saw links
08:06:59 <sbp> javascript:document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0].contentEditable=true;void 0
08:07:03 <thelsdj_> playing an adventure game
08:07:08 <sbp> do that in a Firefox beta for joy
08:07:19 <thelsdj_> Culpa Innata
08:07:28 <thelsdj_> .wik Culpa Innata
08:07:30 <sbp> wait, that doesn't work
08:07:31 <phenny> "Culpa Innata (Latin: Innate Sin or Innate Fault) is a third person point-and-click adventure game by Istanbul-based developer Momentum AS and published by Strategy First." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culpa_Innata
08:07:35 <sbp> man, how did I fuck that up...
08:08:35 <sbp> ah right. because I'm DOING IT IN CAMINO
08:09:06 <thelsdj_> lol
08:09:15 <thelsdj_> this game looks good
08:10:51 <sbp> hmm, javascript:document.getElementsByTagName("body")[0].contentEditable%20=%20true;%20void%200 works
08:11:14 <sbp> well anyway, contentEditable for the win
08:12:22 <danieljohnlewis> (thought about moving from ff to camino for a second)
08:13:07 <sbp> FF3 might be reasonable, if it works
08:13:16 <sbp> beta2 does not work
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08:13:54 <danieljohnlewis> I tried one of the betas for FF3 so that I could try out Mozilla Weave
08:14:21 <sbp> cf. http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/contenteditable.htm
08:14:29 <danieljohnlewis> I found the "typing into the address bar searches the titles of your history" quite annoying, but could end up being quite useful
08:15:19 * xover has yet to be sold on the utility of contentEditable…
08:15:31 <sbp> xover: imagine if Wikipedia supported it!
08:15:40 <xover> Yeah, imagine if it did.
08:15:44 <sbp> heh, heh
08:15:46 <sbp> I know...
08:16:11 <sbp> well I'm thinking about making tools to make my website easier to edit
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08:16:31 <sbp> just stuff that redirects links locally from /blah to /blah.html if html is around (hopefully there's a JS equivalent of os.path.isfile)
08:17:03 <sbp> easier correcting typos and stuff that way
08:18:16 <xover> Hmm. I should do a new sweep of current wysiwyg-ish editors and see if anything has improved since the nineties.
08:18:16 * sbp looks for execCommand docs
08:18:26 <sbp> pfft, don't even bother. it hasn't
08:18:28 <sbp> that's the point
08:18:32 <sbp> that's why I wrote Mimulus in 2006
08:18:46 <sbp> but Mimulus suffered from Firefox's caret mode being borken
08:19:24 <dpawson> sbp, cwm question please?
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08:20:15 <xover> Sure. Which kind do you want? Trivia perhaps? WHat was the third commandline switch added to cwm and who added it?
08:20:30 <dpawson> http://www.dpawson.co.uk/blogs.n3 is the source.
08:21:06 <dpawson> I want to 'ask' cwm (if it can), to list all the :topics for which I haven't a definition (link to wikipedia etc)
08:21:23 <dpawson> Is that in scope for cwm? Or is it a query language issue?
08:21:32 <sbp> hmm, http://www.mozilla.org/editor/midas-spec.html seems to be the best available
08:21:36 <sbp> yo dpawson!
08:21:40 <dpawson> Hi Sean
08:21:42 <sbp> yeah, you can do that in cwm
08:21:50 <dpawson> thought so!
08:21:53 <dpawson> How please
08:22:07 <sbp> just looking at blogs.n3
08:22:11 <dpawson> tks
08:23:20 <sbp> I don't understand it
08:23:31 <sbp> what does this line mean?
08:23:32 <sbp> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_shell> foaf:isPrimaryTopicOf :bash .
08:23:47 <dpawson> E.g. :linux isn't 'defined' as a topic? :book is so defined
08:23:54 <sbp> looks like you got it the wrong way around
08:23:56 <sbp> should be:
08:24:05 <dpawson> That's (intended to be) the 'definition' of bash
08:24:06 <sbp> :bash foaf:isPrimaryTopicOf <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_shell> .
08:24:50 <sbp> anyway, you'll need to do something like this, once you've got that fixed:
08:24:50 <dpawson> That makes sense.
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08:26:54 <sbp> @keywords a .
08:26:54 <sbp> @forAll G, p, t .
08:26:54 <sbp> { <blogs.n3> log:semantics G .
08:26:54 <sbp> G log:includes { [ topic t ] };
08:26:54 <sbp> log:notIncludes { t foaf:isPrimaryTopicOf p }
08:26:55 <sbp> } => { t a Undefined } .
08:27:05 <sbp> plus you'll need the :, foaf:, and log: prefixes declared of course
08:27:45 <xover> Ugh. How does a Python head even stand to look at that syntax?
08:28:01 <sbp> by thinking of it as a declarative language
08:28:05 <sbp> and then comparing Prolog
08:28:52 <xover> So essentially by closing your eyes, holding your breath, and thinking of your happy place, then?
08:29:01 <dpawson> sbp, Context please. Run that as a separate cmd line action? or ....
08:29:15 <sbp> xover: or, better yet, by comparing RDF/XML
08:29:39 <sbp> dpawson: put it in a file in the same directory as blogs.n3, say undefined.n3, and then do cwm undefined.n3 --think
08:30:03 <dpawson> I never did get thinking... if you know what I mean :-)
08:30:15 <sbp> hehe
08:30:29 <sbp> it just applies all the rules it can find until they don't have any effect anymore
08:30:44 <dpawson> I'll correct the 'inversion' then try it. Tks Sean
08:30:49 <sbp> yw
08:31:01 <dpawson> So that's a 'rule', not a query?
08:31:16 <sbp> the antecedent is a query (the bit before the =>)
08:31:32 <sbp> a rule is just a query, and a thing that you want to do with the results (called the consequent)
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08:31:59 <sbp> rule = antecedent (a query), and consequent (thing to do with the results)
08:40:55 <xover> .title http://norman.walsh.name/2008/01/22/html5
08:40:57 <phenny> xover: Thinking about HTML5
08:42:30 <dpawson> sbp, http://pastebin.com/d258b7580 Doesn't seem to be telling me much | I'm not understanding it
08:42:57 <sbp> xover: yeah, saw that yesterday
08:43:15 <sbp> dpawson: will look in a moment, having OS difficulties for a mo'
08:43:38 * dpawson Whens sbp going back to Linux?
08:43:53 <bancus> My linux box is hosed. :-(
08:43:54 <sbp> *back* to Linux? that's funny
08:44:04 <bancus> I tried upgrading to 7.04
08:44:05 <sbp> I've only ever been to Linux for brief spells, like a week or two
08:44:16 <dpawson> I thought you were on Mac these days?
08:44:17 <bancus> Now it won't boot.
08:44:24 <bancus> My laptop is Mac.
08:44:29 <bancus> Which is my main system.
08:44:31 <dpawson> bancus, Then it gets hard
08:44:33 <sbp> there we go, all working now
08:44:39 <sbp> the Dock crashed, and Gimp and Safari
08:44:53 <bancus> I was stuck with the desktop for a week while my laptop was having its screen replaced.
08:44:57 <sbp> so I killed the Dock process in Terminal.app, and then used Activity Monitor to force quit Gimp and Safari
08:45:08 <bancus> During which I undertook to upgrade it from 6.whatever to the most recent ubuntu release
08:45:26 * sbp looks at http://pastebin.com/d258b7580
08:46:07 <sbp> dpawson: that means it didn't work
08:46:09 <sbp> not sure why though
08:46:20 <sbp> nwalsh had a similar problem yesterday with log:notIncludes not working
08:46:21 * bancus wonders why GNUStep's dock sucks so hard compared to the OS X one.
08:46:29 <sbp> though he was using latest CVS of cwm
08:46:52 <dpawson> mines from 2004.
08:46:59 <xover> sbp: You having random implosions where multiple applications quit at the same time?
08:47:00 <sbp> ...
08:47:08 <sbp> that, um, might be why it doesn't work :-)
08:47:13 <sbp> xover: yeah
08:47:20 <sbp> and now the Dock's gone south again
08:47:23 <xover> Remind me, did you go Leopard yet?
08:47:26 <sbp> nope
08:47:34 <xover> Hmm. Weird.
08:47:46 <xover> I had that figured for a Leopard bug.
08:47:57 <xover> May be time to check the RAM or summat.
08:50:04 * darobin doesn't see what's so shocking about nwalsh's post, even to the hixiites
08:50:35 <bancus> .tavtime
08:50:35 <phenny> 2740.10.10.7.42
08:50:53 <xover> My point exactly.
08:59:26 <dpawson> sbp, http://pastebin.com/d73bba81b is the code I used. I think the ns's are right
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09:02:48 <sbp> well that was fun. had to reboot
09:03:41 <dpawson> How come we didn't see a 'sbp has joined' message?
09:03:53 <sbp> ha:
09:03:53 <sbp> 00:20:04 <nwalsh> Perhaps OT, but does anyone know how to get multiple rows of tabs in firefox w/o the tabmixplus extension?
09:03:53 <sbp> 00:20:39 * nwalsh supposes he could undertake to reverse-engineer tmp
09:04:07 * sbp has exactly the same question, though has a different way to work around it
09:04:12 <sbp> dpawson: because I use dircproxy
09:04:21 <dpawson> OK
09:04:22 <sbp> which is basically an IRC proxy running on manxome
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09:05:08 <sbp> dpawson: ah, the problem is that you didn't declare :
09:05:16 <sbp> it has to be set to the same as it is in blogs.n3
09:05:23 <sbp> @prefix : <whatever> .
09:06:10 <dpawson> I did. .... Just didn't cut it from emacs properly :-(
09:06:13 <dpawson> @prefix : <http://www.dpawson.co.uk/nodesets#>.
09:06:20 <sbp> ah, hmm
09:06:25 <sbp> a cwm upgrade is probably the best bet then
09:06:37 <dpawson> Ohhhh. Please, where?
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09:07:17 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's chandler!
09:07:17 <Monty> howdy, libby
09:07:17 <Monty> hi shepazu, how ya doing?
09:07:17 <Monty> lo swhask
09:07:17 <Monty> hey loggy
09:07:17 <Monty> bah, it's CaptSolo again
09:07:17 <Monty> hey swhacker
09:07:19 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
09:07:26 <Monty> a lynch mob to help if it didn't need them to help if you there was still dripping with the army time sucked hard, and 10 months
09:07:34 <sbp> dpawson: http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/cwm-1.2.0.tar.gz
09:07:51 <dpawson> thanks
09:10:12 <sbp> yw
09:10:16 <dpawson> sbp, copying and adjusting cwm -> build/scripts-2.5
09:10:16 <dpawson> error: file 'delta' does not exist
09:10:34 <dpawson> this whilst running python setup.py install
09:10:57 <sbp> yeah, just ignore that
09:12:11 <dpawson> Just running cwm still shows #Processed by Id: cwm.py,v 1.197 2007/12/13 15:38:39 syosi Exp
09:12:17 <cre8radix> shooby
09:12:27 <dpawson> is that just 'not set'? Download says 1.2?
09:12:29 <sbp> "still"?
09:12:46 <sbp> oh, yeah, the cvs version number is unrelated to the release number
09:12:47 <sbp> confusingly
09:12:55 <dpawson> yep. Very!
09:13:03 <dpawson> Now my n3 shows as invalid... somehow
09:14:37 <dpawson> sbp, http://pastebin.com/d2487a6d8 Very similar
09:15:09 <dpawson> No... version is wrong. The install didn't work.
09:16:41 <sbp> yeah
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09:18:01 <sbp> okay, I'm going to try creating a new Firefox profile
09:18:12 <sbp> since the current one seems a mess; perhaps that's what's causing the performance issues
09:18:18 <sbp> too many billions of bookmarks
09:18:24 <sbp> which I use in lieu of a decent History
09:18:31 <sbp> so I should look into exporting from Places, &c.
09:19:27 <sbp> $ ./Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
09:19:43 <sbp> er, in /Applications/Firefox.app
09:19:58 <sbp> silly X-Chat Aqua. if I *paste* a leading /...
09:22:47 <sbp> yeah, it's quite zippy now
09:24:40 <dpawson> sbp, http://pastebin.com/d7d1e3058 No change. Right version now
09:25:13 <dpawson> s/right/Nearly right/ :-)
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09:28:25 <sbp> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/log#> . is wrong, dpawson
09:28:37 <sbp> should be /2000/10/swap/log#
09:28:39 <dpawson> should be?
09:28:41 <sbp> you missed out the /swap/
09:28:42 <dpawson> :-)
09:28:49 * sbp reboots for OS upgrades
09:29:10 <MoiraA> hi sbp
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09:34:37 <sbp> back
09:36:10 <sbp> hey MoiraA
09:36:19 <dpawson> Is there anywhere where the rdf+n3 namespaces are collected?
09:36:30 <sbp> dpawson: there's a list somewhere...
09:36:44 <sbp> http://ebiquity.umbc.edu/blogger/2007/09/23/top-rdf-namespaces/
09:36:54 <dpawson> One of your 12000 bookmarks that you've just deleted by any chance?
09:36:56 <dpawson> tks
09:39:19 <dpawson> Still the same output Sean. I'll go find some reading matter.
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09:43:41 <sbp> dpawson: *exactly* the same output? can you paste it?
09:44:18 <dpawson> sbp, http://pastebin.com/dda22603
09:48:42 <sbp> hmm
09:48:51 <sbp> try @forAll G, p, t, x .
09:48:59 <sbp> and change [ topic t ] into x topic t
09:51:28 <dpawson> will do
09:52:46 <dpawson> Seems like no change.
09:57:53 <sbp> rats
09:58:57 <dpawson> I've uploaded the input file to www.dpawson.co.uk/blogs.n3 again. With corrections
10:00:21 <sbp> hmm, they changed the TextWrangler logo
10:01:00 <dpawson> mythical they?
10:01:20 <Arnia> phantasmagoric they
10:02:00 * sbp makes Command+. be Home in Firefox
10:02:30 <dpawson> http://infomesh.net/2001/cwm/ quote sbp, It's difficult to know where to start getting into it.
10:02:44 <dpawson> I agree with that :-)
10:04:05 <dpawson> From that web page, check.n3 produces useful output?
10:10:36 <sbp> hmm:http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Places:Annotation_Service
10:10:47 <sbp> check.n3 is rather out of date
10:10:56 <sbp> most cwm stuff is out of date...
10:11:50 <dpawson> (But it seems fairly widely used)
10:12:08 <sbp> sigh. can't find any obvious way to export data from Places to .txt
10:12:14 <sbp> dpawson: widely used?! really?
10:12:19 <sbp> got some examples?
10:12:25 <sbp> .gc check.n3
10:12:27 <phenny> check.n3: 599
10:12:31 <dpawson> I guess ndw and I don't count :-(
10:12:45 <sbp> mostof thosearefositives
10:12:46 <sbp> hehe
10:12:57 <sbp> argh,myspace bar ispretty fucked up
10:12:59 <dpawson> OK OK, it should be put down then! Grrrr. :-)
10:13:13 <dpawson> How do you do that... without violence?
10:13:25 <est> the myspace bar!
10:13:26 <sbp> not sure why it does it
10:13:37 <sbp> I'vetaken it apartanditdoesn'tshow anyobvious sign of breakage
10:13:39 <dpawson> Oh sorry <grin/>
10:13:43 <sbp> no crumbs in there,nothing snappedoranything
10:14:00 <dpawson> Overuse?
10:14:05 <sbp> oh, I think it got unseated a bit somehow
10:14:18 <sbp> on the left hand side, which was somehow affecting the right hand side
10:14:29 <est> contralateral behavior!
10:14:30 <dpawson> There's only one switch IIRC
10:14:55 <est> hopefully it's sitting like a president now
10:16:47 <sbp> hmm: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=3216185&sid=9591065c0181cb8f4c846057f6f67c0e
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10:17:41 <sbp> looks like it should be a fairly (argh) simple query on places.sqlite
10:19:26 * sbp finds Converting An Entire Database To An ASCII Text File in http://www.sqlite.org/sqlite.html
10:21:56 <sbp> cool, it works
10:22:00 <sbp> you get some weird stuff:
10:22:00 <sbp> INSERT INTO "moz_places" VALUES(148,'http://www.vecosys.com/2007/06/16/firefox-3
10:22:00 <sbp> -to-support-sqlite-for-offline-storage/','/2007/06/16/firefox-3-to-support-sqlit
10:22:00 <sbp> e-for-offline-storage/','moc.sysocev.www.',1,1,0,NULL);
10:22:08 <sbp> 'moc.sysocev.www.'?
10:22:54 <sbp> $ echo .dump | sqlite3 places.sqlite > dump
10:23:17 <CaptSolo> dpawson: when you are asking about rdf+n3 namespaces, are you looking for namespaces used in N3/Turtle documents only?
10:23:50 <dpawson> Basically just need to check that the ns's I'm using are right? My tendency is to re-use them without checking? Nasty
10:24:15 <sbp> .title http://cs.christophwernhard.com/story/doc/manual.html
10:24:24 <phenny> sbp: Story Manual
10:24:24 <sbp> looks interesting
10:24:35 <dpawson> (So is Christopher Robin)
10:24:39 <CaptSolo> PTSW has some stats: http://pingthesemanticweb.com/stats/namespaces.php
10:25:03 * dpawson looks
10:25:34 <dpawson> CaptSolo, So.... if lazy buggers like me predominate... that could be way wrong?
10:26:01 <CaptSolo> sure. though enough lazy buggers combined, using the exact same wrong namespace
10:26:13 <CaptSolo> could in the end dictate de-facto standards :)
10:26:14 <dpawson> Is it asking too much for TimBL to 'collect' his ns's somewhere, for reference?
10:26:45 <dpawson> I'd go with that... but when we're relying on sbp to keep cwm up to date, that may not be appropriate?
10:27:15 <dpawson> This sounds like a lose -lose scenario! Bit like M$ and IE8
10:27:37 <CaptSolo> dpawson: where the data in blogs.n3 come from
10:27:38 <CaptSolo> ?
10:28:31 <dpawson> CaptSolo, Me getting twitchy about by feed reader keeping my 'marked' entries valid. Similar to sbp and his rampant bookmarks?
10:29:29 <dpawson> http://realtech.burningbird.net/standards/bobbing-heads-and-the-ie8-meta-tag/ Worth a read if you write html
10:29:32 <sbp> sigh, yeah
10:29:48 <sbp> oh for a decent history interface
10:29:50 <dpawson> Not getting at you Sean. Honest
10:30:04 <sbp> well I just nuked my billion and one bookmarks, at least
10:30:20 <dpawson> Yet you clearly found a use for them?
10:30:29 <dpawson> (or did you?)
10:30:31 <CaptSolo> history interface?
10:30:38 <dpawson> no bookmarks :-)
10:31:00 <CaptSolo> FF kept history and bookmarks in RDF (or, rather, provided an RDF inteface to them)
10:31:04 * dpawson I feel lots of cross purposes flying about
10:31:07 <CaptSolo> dunno if that is still true for FF3
10:31:33 <CaptSolo> someone could just dump that RDF and see what interesting things can be got out of it, combined w. other RDF info
10:31:49 <sbp> dpawson: yeah, I used bookmarks in lieu of a decent History
10:32:01 <sbp> I like to see all of the pages that I browsed in a particular day
10:32:08 <sbp> so what I tend to do is not close tabs
10:32:26 <sbp> and then at the end of the day, I bookmark the hundreds of tabs that I have open as a bookmark group
10:32:26 <dpawson> Sounds like a lot more than history? I use bloglines and it really messes up my history
10:32:43 <sbp> bloglines?
10:32:48 <sbp> I mean history of all of my browsing
10:32:50 <dpawson> feed reader
10:33:00 <sbp> yeah, I don't use feed readers very often
10:33:06 <dpawson> Yes, bloglines is browser based and leaves a mess in my browser history
10:33:30 <dpawson> Dear FF, please don't put xxx in my history?
10:33:31 <sbp> ah! I see
10:33:39 <sbp> yeah, that sort of thing
10:33:52 <sbp> but there should be a way to do that semi-automatically
10:33:58 <sbp> collapsing a load of similar URIs down, for example
10:34:11 <dpawson> perhaps cwm?
10:34:20 <sbp> really I just want a mini-website, on my local system, that shows what I browsed each day. perhaps with some kind of search engine
10:34:30 <dpawson> Is cwm Welsh for Swiss Army Knife?
10:34:31 <sbp> cwm is probably too heavy duty for this
10:34:33 <sbp> hehe
10:35:03 <dpawson> FF plugin?
10:35:12 <sbp> yeah, an FF plugin would do it
10:35:24 <sbp> might be easier to write than what I was thinking, too
10:35:38 <sbp> which was an http server that accesses places.sqlite at the sqlite level...
10:35:42 <dpawson> If you can get it into rdf, shouldn't be too hard to clean up?
10:36:01 <dpawson> (even for a heavy handed army knife!)
10:36:06 <CaptSolo> good to see other folks who end up with hundreds of tabs :)
10:36:07 <sbp> I'd rather have it as plain text in a simple columnular format
10:36:14 <CaptSolo> and it does become an unmanageable mess
10:36:15 <sbp> tab separated or whatever
10:36:20 <sbp> yeah
10:36:22 <dpawson> Python then
10:36:25 <sbp> but I use the tabs to see what I've been doing
10:36:36 <CaptSolo> same here: tab groups -> bookmarks
10:36:40 <sbp> dpawson: well that's kinda the choice. a server in python, or an extension in javascript?
10:36:42 <dpawson> Try 5 whys on that
10:36:51 <sbp> 5 whys?
10:37:07 <dpawson> I was thinking ff plugin to generate the stupid list, then Python to smarten it up?
10:37:20 <sbp> I suspect that nwalsh was asking about tab rows earlier for exactly the same reason
10:37:22 <dpawson> Run the python at the end of the day... / night
10:37:36 <sbp> dpawson: problem is, I'd like it to be immediate
10:37:48 <sbp> because mainly I want to look at what I've been browsing in the past N hours
10:37:52 <dpawson> Short term memory as well as long term
10:37:58 <sbp> where N is between about 1 and 10
10:38:07 <twe> And is it to the 10,000 or more contestants.
10:38:12 <sbp> :-)
10:38:29 <dpawson> lunchtime. I'm away
10:38:37 <sbp> perhaps the python could be more for overall stats though... hmm
10:38:40 <sbp> enjoy!
10:43:44 <sbp> interesting:
10:43:45 <sbp> [[[
10:43:45 <sbp> nsINavHistoryService.queryStringToQueries: Converts a serialized query ("place:" URI) back to the actual query objects and options.
10:43:51 <sbp> ]]] - http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Places:History_Service
10:44:14 <sbp> kinda suggests that there'll be a places: browsable URI space
10:44:35 <sbp> but at the moment when I try place: or places:, Firefox says it doesn't know how to handle them
10:49:32 <CaptSolo> sbp: which FF?
10:55:02 <sbp> hmm: http://www.google.com/search?q=rattlesnake&esrch=BetaShortcuts
10:55:09 <sbp> CaptSolo: Firefox 3.0b2
10:57:25 <CaptSolo> i have a JS code snippet that exports history (and other stuff) in N3/Turtle
10:57:35 <sbp> oh?!
10:57:39 <CaptSolo> not sure it will work on FF3, but does work on 1.5 and 2
10:57:48 <CaptSolo> can paste somewhere if interested
10:57:52 <sbp> yes please!
10:57:54 <sbp> lisppaste2: url?
10:57:55 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
11:00:14 <lisppaste2> CaptSolo pasted "FF history -> N3" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/54745
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11:00:47 <dpawson> :rdf foaf:isPrimaryTopicOf <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework> .
11:00:50 <sbp> awesome, thanks
11:00:57 <CaptSolo> now, you can run it either from JS environment in FF (e.g. provided by Extension Developer plugin)
11:00:58 <dpawson> Is that good n3 please sbp?
11:01:05 <sbp> dpawson: ayup
11:01:08 <dpawson> tks
11:01:16 <dpawson> (Doing the checks by hand)
11:01:19 <CaptSolo> warning: it will take time if you have many bookmarks
11:01:41 <CaptSolo> and a couple of "this script stopped responding. continue?" messages
11:02:00 <CaptSolo> you can also embed this JS into an HTML page and run it from there
11:02:32 <CaptSolo> (in that case universal privileges need to be enabled in about:config, same as you need for Tabulator)
11:02:38 <CaptSolo> (so best to run from JS environment)
11:02:57 <CaptSolo> it can still be buggy (e.g., N3 output).
11:03:07 * CaptSolo will be happy if someone finds it useful and improves the code
11:03:09 <CaptSolo> :)
11:03:35 <CaptSolo> ---
11:04:59 <CaptSolo> note: default RDF data of history and other datasources is somewhat broken in Mozilla, so the script does some clean-ups
11:05:25 <CaptSolo> probably cleanup and conversion to Turtle takes a large part of time (because it's in JS and not C)
11:06:51 <CaptSolo> can also try changing the "type" variable
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11:22:05 <sbp> [[[
11:22:06 <sbp> After approximately 900 hours of playing Nintendo Wii Tennis, I have finally topped the charts as the first person to reach a 2400 skill level. I was able to reach 2399 (the previous Wii Tennis high score) about 30 hours into the game. To achieve the 2400 rating took much determination. After studying the ELO Rating system which I believe to be the model for Nintendo Wii’s Skill level rating system, I was able to figure out the mathematical equation.
11:22:13 <sbp> ]]] - http://2400tennis.250free.com/
11:24:01 <Arnia> ... sad...
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11:57:10 <sbp> heh, RESULTS_AS_VISIT works
11:57:18 <sbp> but RESULTS_AS_FULL_VISIT crashes
11:59:26 <sbp> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org/fulltree/icecat-2.0.0.11-g1/browser/components/places/public/nsINavHistoryService.idl
11:59:28 <sbp> handy
12:00:22 <sbp> uri, title, accessCount, time, icon, indentLevel, viewIndex, propertyBag, bookmarkIndex
12:01:00 <sbp> okey dokey
12:02:37 <sbp> hmm, SORT_BY_DATE_DESCENDING
12:02:41 <sbp> - http://publicsvn.songbirdnest.com/browser/vendor-binaries/macosx-i686/mozilla/debug/include/places/nsINavHistoryService.h?rev=7755
12:03:29 <sbp> ah, and sortingMode from http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/nsINavHistoryQueryOptions
12:04:27 <sbp> awesome. this is going pretty well
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12:11:42 <glen_quagmire> Monty: )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
12:11:45 <Monty> e-for-offline-storage/','moc.sysocev.www.',1,1,0,NULL);
12:12:09 <glen_quagmire> .reverse moc.sysocev.www
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12:21:35 <sbp> pfft: http://support.mozilla.com/kb/Links+to+local+or+network+pages+do+not+work
12:21:38 <sbp> that's no fix at all!
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12:28:31 <Jibbler> sbp: preferable to having rampant internal CSRF attacks though
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12:41:09 <sbp> Jibbler: yeah, but it'd be good if there were some way to ask the user to override it
12:41:22 <sbp> like netscape.security.PrivilegeManager.enablePrivilege('UniversalXPConnect');
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12:43:33 <sbp> hmm, perhaps UniversalFileRead will work
12:44:18 <sbp> nope
12:44:22 <sbp> I want it to display moz-anno:favicon:http://developer.mozilla.org/favicon.ico etc.
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12:53:29 <_bjoern> My pillow?
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12:54:28 <sbp> awesome. now I've got a script that gives me an HTML table like this:
12:54:33 <sbp> 2008-01-24 14:23 Paste number 54745: FF history -> N3 93 paste.lisp.org
12:54:33 <sbp> 2008-01-24 14:20 JavaScript Security: Signed Scripts 92 mozilla.org
12:54:33 <sbp> 2008-01-24 14:20 JavaScript Security: Terminology 92 mozilla.org
12:54:33 <sbp> 2008-01-24 14:19 Signed Scripts & Privileges: An Example 92 mozilla.org
12:54:33 <sbp> 2008-01-24 14:19 PrivilegeManager enablePrivilege - Google Search 92 google.co.uk
12:54:35 <sbp> 2008-01-24 14:19 Core JavaScript 1.5 Reference:Global Objects:String - MDC 90 developer.mozilla.org
12:54:52 <sbp> 93/92 etc. are the session ids
12:54:59 <sbp> not sure how best to represent them yet
12:55:02 <CaptSolo> sbp: was my JS code of some use?
12:55:07 <sbp> perhaps an hr between each session
12:55:14 <sbp> CaptSolo: yep! I nicked the datetime formatting bit :-)
12:55:18 <CaptSolo> hehehe :D
12:55:26 <twe> "The maybe type is not especially what i learn the difference between what i was on the diffserv ip fields, make contracts with each of the session ids.
12:55:27 <sbp> the rest seems quite different because of Places
12:55:38 <sbp> lemme upload what I've done...
12:55:58 <CaptSolo> ah, so FF3 does not provide RDF interface to those stores any more?
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12:56:14 <sbp> dunno actually, didn't try it
12:56:15 <CaptSolo> it was quite exciting to be able to write code for history and then have the same code
12:56:45 <CaptSolo> running for other sources such as installed FF extensions or list of downloaded files
12:57:05 <CaptSolo> by just changing the data source
12:57:59 <sbp> CaptSolo: http://inamidst.com/stuff/2008/history
12:58:03 <sbp> download it as history.html
12:58:10 <sbp> open it locally, and click "Allow" if you want to run it
12:58:22 <sbp> (obviously check the source first to make sure it's safe)
12:59:01 <nicomen> .pc 篆
12:59:05 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for r'^7BC6\b'.
12:59:09 <nicomen> why is that?
12:59:41 <sbp> because it's hangul
12:59:57 <sbp> hangul isn't described in UnicodeData.txt
13:00:09 <_bjoern> but in Unihan.txt, which is very very big.
13:00:10 <nicomen> aha...
13:00:16 <nicomen> thanks
13:00:19 <sbp> np
13:01:02 <nicomen> would concatenating to UnicodeData.txt work?
13:01:11 <_bjoern> No.
13:01:20 <_bjoern> the format is quite different
13:01:34 <nicomen> ;( ok
13:01:43 <CaptSolo> sbp: does not work for me on 1.5 (which it was not written for, i guess)
13:01:58 <_bjoern> Try http://unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=7BC6 for a better idea what you get from unihan.txt.
13:01:59 <CaptSolo> will check w. other versions a bit later
13:06:45 <nicomen> does it mean hangul doesn't have properly readable defined charnames?
13:06:55 <CaptSolo> sbp: in the old history data source you would also get referrer url
13:07:10 <CaptSolo> can you get that from places history too?
13:15:18 <sbp> CaptSolo: I think you can get it in the FULL_ version
13:15:26 <sbp> but the FULL_ version currently crashes Firefox, so... :-)
13:16:06 <sbp> the session IDs are kinda handy enough for that though
13:16:16 <sbp> if something comes before something else chronologically in the same session...
13:16:24 <sbp> that must be the refer[r]er, I think
13:16:55 <sbp> and yeah, I think this requires 3.0a6 onwards
13:16:59 <sbp> I've tested it in 3.0b2
13:17:57 <CaptSolo> is one session one tab only?
13:18:16 <CaptSolo> even with one tab you could go back in history and press another link
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13:19:43 <sbp> nope, it's not one tab
13:19:48 <sbp> it's one strand of browsing
13:19:53 <sbp> not exactly sure what the model is
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13:20:24 <sbp> but if you visit a new page by typing something in the address bar, then go back in the history and click a link in a previous session, it uses the old session number again
13:20:41 <sbp> so that's nifty
13:20:52 <sbp> i.e. seems to do more or less the right thing
13:22:56 <nsh> .w swansong
13:22:59 <phenny> I couldn't find 'swansong' in WordNet.
13:23:50 <nsh> .ety swansong
13:23:52 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "swansong". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=swansong
13:24:17 <nsh> .wik Swansong
13:24:19 <phenny> "Swansong was the final studio album by Carcass." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swansong
13:24:24 <nsh> .wik Swan song
13:24:27 <phenny> "The phrase 'Swan song' is a reference to an ancient belief that the Mute Swan (Cygnus olor) is completely mute during its lifetime, except for singing a single, heartbreakingly beautiful song just before it dies." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan_song
13:37:11 <sbp> ew, a changing title restrospectively changes all the history entries for it too
13:37:48 <sbp> i.e. it's stored as uri.title, not (uri, access).title
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13:55:57 <sbp> “What I'd like is to be able to save the DOM of the page but also keep the original URL of scripts.”
13:55:59 <sbp> — http://jmesnil.net/weblog/2004/12/firefox-save-as-different-behaviors.html
13:55:59 <sbp> indeed
13:56:27 <sbp> the generated source bookmarklet in https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/webdevel.html gives you the DOM
13:56:34 <sbp> (serialised as HTML)
13:56:50 <sbp> but... if you then try to save that, it saves as an escaped <pre> section
13:57:00 <sbp> so you need to copy it out, paste it into an editor, and then save it there...
13:57:04 <sbp> which is a nuisance
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14:00:11 <Monty> howdy, danieljohnlewis
14:00:35 <danieljohnlewis> hi Monty, how are you?
14:00:38 <Monty> I reckon fajitas + libs = AdamR's Viper Defence Craft :P
14:01:55 <sbp> so anyway, I now have an interesting Firefox environment
14:02:03 <sbp> * no regular bookmarks
14:02:22 <sbp> * a handful of keyword bookmarks (actually just one: a for Web Archive, which doesn't quite work yet...)
14:02:40 <sbp> * a handful of bookmarklets (actually just one: the generated source bookmarklet, which I've renamed DOM Source)
14:02:56 <sbp> * no navigation buttons. that is, no back, forward, stop, reload, home, or anything like that
14:03:03 <sbp> * no bookmarklet toolbar
14:03:16 <sbp> * in fact, nothing at all except for two things: the address bar, and the search engine bar
14:03:30 <sbp> * Command+full stop is bound to show my start page
14:03:38 <sbp> now, I used to have the following start page:
14:03:39 <sbp> [[[
14:03:42 <sbp> [Google search bar]
14:03:51 <sbp> [Some "bookmarks"]
14:03:52 <sbp> ]]]
14:03:56 <sbp> but instead, I'm now doing:
14:03:57 <sbp> [[[
14:04:08 <sbp> [Some "bookmarks"] [Javascript list of 25 most recent History items]
14:04:09 <sbp> ]]]
14:04:19 <sbp> and using Command+K to search the web
14:04:31 <sbp> but the biggest change is that since I have that History list now, I can use fewer tabs
14:04:46 <sbp> so instead of having rows and rows of between 100 and 200 tabs, as normal, I'm try to keep to...
14:04:46 <sbp> 3
14:04:54 <sbp> just three tabs, as a rule of thumb
14:04:57 <twe> And as i can drop his name actually looks like normal elections.
14:05:02 <sbp> (occasionally I get up to like 5, and then whittle them down again)
14:05:08 <sbp> and so far, so good!
14:06:01 <jsled> command+K? I like my 'g' keyword for <http://www.google.com/search?q=%s>
14:06:09 <jsled> .g like this
14:06:12 <phenny> jsled: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju7OECKzS2I
14:06:20 <sbp> yeah, but then you have to do Command+L, 'g ' and the search phrase
14:06:29 <sbp> whereas with Command+K it's just Command+K and then the search phrase
14:06:32 <sbp> saving two characters
14:06:45 <jsled> I guess I should make it '.g' (and make 'wik' to '.wik') to lower the gap between here and tehre.
14:06:50 <sbp> hehe
14:06:52 <twe> And here i thought they should.
14:06:56 <jsled> What does Command+K do for you?
14:07:05 <jsled> Er, what's the UI effect?
14:07:06 <sbp> yeah, I used to use def for my definition keyword. think I'll change that
14:07:14 <sbp> it puts the caret in the search bar
14:07:17 <sbp> which I never used to use
14:07:21 <sbp> used to get rid of it entirely
14:07:22 <jsled> Oh. I turned off the search bar. :)
14:07:27 <sbp> yeah, so had I
14:07:33 <sbp> but... why not use it?
14:07:40 <jsled> clutter.
14:07:49 <sbp> ah, but you see, that's the beauty of my system
14:07:55 <sbp> I've got no bookmarks, and no navigation items
14:07:58 <sbp> so I have no clutter
14:08:02 <sbp> there's only the address bar left
14:08:09 <sbp> so that leaves plenty of room for the search engine bar
14:08:17 <sbp> hence my browser looks like this:
14:08:27 <sbp> O O O Window title ( )
14:08:38 <sbp> ( Address Bar ) ( Search engine bar )
14:08:41 <sbp> Main pane is here
14:08:48 <sbp> [ Done ///]
14:09:01 <sbp> that's about as simple as it can get
14:09:56 <jsled> I'm sorry I missed it, but what are you doing with bookmarks?
14:10:07 <sbp> I have no bookmarks
14:10:18 <sbp> except for a) keyword bookmarks, and b) bookmarklets
14:10:34 <sbp> I don't use bookmarklets very often, so accessing them using Command+b is just fine
14:10:54 <sbp> keyword bookmarklets work in the regular way, Command+L and then type the keyword, space, and the argument(s)
14:10:55 <jsled> (How) are you maintaining the list of sites you want to refer to? Or are you being monk-like in your detachment from the world (wide web)?
14:11:08 <sbp> list of sites I want to refer to? in what way?
14:11:24 <sbp> perhaps you missed the bit about my start/home page?
14:11:30 <sbp> my start/home page is bound to Command+.
14:11:50 <sbp> and it has a) a list of the most regular sites I access, and b) a Javascripted list of Firefox's most recent histor
14:11:52 <sbp> ...y
14:12:17 <jsled> like, things you want to read later because you don't have time now. Or important but infrequently accessed pages (banking websites figure importantly for me here)?
14:12:31 <sbp> read later: that'll be on the history list
14:12:40 <sbp> just underneath the history list, I have a link to stuff/2008/history.html
14:13:04 <sbp> which is the local version of http://inamidst.com/stuff/2008/history
14:13:11 <sbp> and contains a list of all the pages I've browsed all day
14:13:26 <sbp> so it's a simple matter of typing /part of the title
14:13:35 <jsled> but how to differentiate the things you read from the things you read and intend to read later?
14:13:46 <sbp> I use my mind
14:14:01 <jsled> ah.
14:14:05 <_bjoern> sounds quite dangerous.
14:14:13 <sbp> I've never used bookmarks in that way
14:14:19 <sbp> only to save history state
14:15:19 <Jibbler> monty likes his brackets
14:15:19 <Monty> What does that suggest to you ?
14:15:22 <therethinker> Mello
14:15:39 <Jibbler> monty: i think you are a bit unbalanced
14:15:40 <Monty> mythical they?
14:15:43 <therethinker> Er... hello!
14:16:16 <cre8radix> Jibbler: heya
14:16:25 <Jibbler> bo selecta
14:16:29 <cre8radix> been lookin for ya
14:16:33 <Jibbler> uh oh
14:16:37 <cre8radix> :D
14:16:47 <cre8radix> wanted to throw a monty on my server
14:16:48 <Monty> ---
14:16:51 <therethinker> sbp: did you ever get the list of overall top unicode?
14:17:05 <sbp> therethinker: nope, don't think so...
14:17:13 <cre8radix> Jibbler: possible?
14:17:17 <cre8radix> hey sbp
14:17:21 <cre8radix> ;P
14:17:21 <sbp> yo cre8radix
14:17:29 <cre8radix> you chili?
14:17:31 <therethinker> great, let me dig it up
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14:17:36 <sbp> yeps
14:17:44 <Jibbler> i cannot release monty, sorry
14:17:45 <cre8radix> cowl
14:17:45 <Monty> okey dokey
14:18:09 <cre8radix> Jibbler: canya makim join #tribalradix?
14:18:36 <therethinker> http://zbanks.mine.nu/media/totalcount.txt
14:18:46 <cre8radix> hrhr
14:18:51 <cre8radix> Jibbler: thx!
14:18:52 <Jibbler> done
14:18:55 <cre8radix> lalala
14:19:09 <therethinker> http://zbanks.mine.nu/media/unicodeDump.txt is just all the unicode characters, unsorted
14:20:24 <perigrin> .pc antlers
14:20:27 <phenny> 0061: LATIN SMALL LETTER A (a)
14:20:30 <phenny> 006E: LATIN SMALL LETTER N (n)
14:20:33 <phenny> 0074: LATIN SMALL LETTER T (t)
14:20:38 <perigrin> bah
14:20:42 <perigrin> .cp antlers
14:20:45 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'antlers'.
14:20:49 <perigrin> .cp antler
14:20:52 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'antler'.
14:20:55 <perigrin> :(
14:21:44 <therethinker> sbp: what about automatic .cp/.pc... if len(input) > 4 then cp else pc?
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14:25:37 <nwalsh> kim
14:25:41 <nwalsh> ack
14:30:42 <xover> Hmm. Sens. Feinstein and Nelson seem to have tried to find a compromise.
14:33:17 <xover> Sounds like they remove imunity in favor of setting up criteria that will have the telcos found not guilty. :-(
14:35:57 <xover> Hmm. Sen. Nelson seems to be holding up the possibility that the House will not pass the orginal bill.
14:36:31 <xover> He seems to be trying to persuade the Senate to just vote for the original bill “because the Huse will fix it.”
14:37:19 <sbp> nwalsh: ping
14:37:41 <nwalsh> sbp: ack
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14:38:15 <sbp> nwalsh: you asked earlier about Firefox having multiple tab rows, without Tab Mix Plus
14:38:25 <sbp> I have the same problem, but I've solved it in a different way
14:38:44 <sbp> presumably you're wondering the same thing because you installed FF 3.0b2 or similar which Tab Mix Plus doesn't support yet...
14:38:49 <nwalsh> FWIW: http://tmp.garyr.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8412 seems to work for me
14:38:54 <sbp> now, I got to thinking: w... oh, cool
14:39:04 <nwalsh> No, there's a conflict between TMP and the SeatBelt OpenID extension
14:39:12 <twe> An extension of the a.
14:39:31 <sbp> ah, I see
14:40:03 <sbp> well my fix was to think about why I usually have so many tabs (100-200 or so) open, and whether I can make a better solution for *why* I'm doing that
14:40:21 <sbp> I realised I was using it as a todo list, and immediate history
14:40:42 <sbp> so I just Javascripted something that shows my recent history (one day's worth) in a single, very detailed, web page
14:40:57 <sbp> using the new Places API in the FF3 beta
14:41:36 <sbp> and now I'm trying to limit myself to three tabs, using this page for my new todo/context mechanism
14:41:42 <nwalsh> Interesting.
14:42:04 <sbp> the script's at http://inamidst.com/stuff/2008/history
14:42:18 <sbp> requires probably at least 3.0a6; I use 3.0b2 at the mo' as I say
14:43:35 <xover> Wow, Sen. Hutchison calls the whistleblowing on the telco wiretapping “Illegal disclosure.”
14:43:39 * sbp is finding it very strange to not be going through tabs and thinking "do I need this?"
14:43:50 <sbp> xover: tsk
14:44:01 <sbp> where/how are you viewing this?
14:44:44 <xover> http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2
14:45:13 <jsled> I'm sad that 3.0 seems to have lost the form info part of the page info dialog.
14:45:31 <jsled> It was quite nifty to see where pages were going to post the form to.
14:45:50 <sbp> xover: I think I could've told you this one was R-Texas without looking... :-)
14:46:00 <xover> heh heh
14:46:08 <sbp> "People are IN AMERICA, *plotting* to KILL AMERICANS. Right now!"
14:46:31 <xover> Yeah, she's echoing Cheny from earlier today.
14:46:39 <xover> Cheny is the Bush proxy on this one.
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14:47:49 <xover> Argh! Pet peeve: People who ask rethorical questions, and then answering them.
14:48:25 <xover> .w recede
14:48:28 <phenny> recede v. 1: Pull back or move away or backward
14:48:29 <phenny> recede v. 2: Retreat
14:48:31 <phenny> recede v. 3: Become faint or more distant.
14:48:35 <perigrin> Why is that a pet peeve? Because it's very annoying!
14:48:46 <xover> “I don't think that word means what you think it means.”
14:49:09 <sbp> xover: rhetorical... yeah, that pissed me off too
14:51:22 <sbp> this guy's boring
14:51:48 <sbp> I don't quite understand what he's saying though. it seems to be that even if they pass this legislation, there's some other legislation that still gives them a hard time
14:52:11 <xover> There are now three FISA bills.
14:52:21 <xover> The original from the Intelligence Committe.
14:52:34 <xover> An alternative one from the Judicial Committe.
14:52:56 <xover> And one from Feinstein/Nelson.
14:54:03 <sbp> Lahey substitute?
14:54:28 <xover> That's the Judicial amendment I think.
14:54:59 * xover will brb…
14:55:21 <sbp> Durbin's good
14:55:42 * jetscreamer points out that he's from texas
14:56:03 <perigrin> So was Molly Ivins (spelling?) though
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15:00:32 <cre8radix> http://media.de.indymedia.org/images/2008/01/206065.jpg
15:02:18 <sbp> he's just mentioned the False Statements count
15:02:26 <xover> Yeah.
15:02:30 <cre8radix> some freaks been hacking the scientology servers
15:02:42 <cre8radix> :D
15:03:48 <xover> Hmm. Durbin seems to actually have some balls.
15:04:08 <sbp> yeah!
15:04:10 <xover> Isn't that against the Democrat bylaws or something?
15:04:15 <sbp> chuckle
15:04:22 <therethinker> Anyone in here play KoL?
15:04:26 <sbp> therethinker: I used to
15:04:45 <perigrin> KoL?
15:04:45 <therethinker> Hmm... I used to... I'm doing it again... even though its against better judgement
15:04:52 <therethinker> .wik Kingdom of Loathing
15:04:56 <phenny> "Kingdom of Loathing (KoL) is a humorous, browser-based, multiplayer role playing game designed and operated by Asymmetric Publications, including creator Zack 'Jick' Johnson and writer Josh 'Mr. Skullhead' Nite. [1]| It is notable for its use of hand-drawn stick figure [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Loathing
15:04:57 <perigrin> ahh
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15:05:12 <perigrin> I needed hte acronym expanded that's all ... I've played KoL
15:05:18 <perigrin> though never much
15:05:21 <therethinker> h
15:05:23 <therethinker> *Ah
15:06:06 * perigrin mutters about the lack of caffeine and goes to make a cup of tea
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15:06:54 <cre8radix> sbp: http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/130714/Anonymous_Vs_Scientology
15:10:26 <sbp> good guy to have as whip
15:13:33 <xover> Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and Barack Obama have all supported Sen. Dodd in the past.
15:14:15 <sbp> ooh
15:14:18 <xover> Did he just suggest impeaching Bush?
15:14:32 <sbp> I'm not sure, but... that was interesting
15:14:37 <sbp> especially since he's a Republican
15:14:41 <xover> yeah
15:14:53 <xover> Judiciary Committee.
15:15:00 <sbp> oho, yes
15:15:44 <sbp> "The doctrine of governmental immunity would not be available to the government."
15:16:23 <sbp> ha, and they wouldn't have any secrecy protections either
15:16:34 <sbp> oh wait, no, I think he's saying they *would* retain that
15:16:37 <sbp> that was the other hand
15:16:39 <xover> No, he says they would still have the State Secrets doctrine.
15:16:40 <sbp> hmm
15:16:54 <sbp> but that's no change...
15:17:10 <sbp> eeenteresting
15:17:48 <xover> But then they have to explain why they themselves find it a State Secret, rather then the telcos just shrugging and refering the question to The Goverment.
15:17:59 <sbp> that's a good point
15:23:54 <sbp> .w nugatory
15:23:56 <phenny> nugatory a. 1: Of no real value.
15:24:20 <xover> Huh? White House briefing? Defence Secretary briefing?
15:24:35 * xover just got back form fetching icecream and popcorn… :-)
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15:25:28 <sbp> hehe
15:25:40 <jsled> "Everything is Ok" - 7z output. Thanks, 7z.
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15:26:50 <sbp> .title http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=PMQ&ShowVidNum=10&Rot_Cat_CD=PMQ&Rot_HT=206&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=100&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=365
15:26:52 <phenny> sbp: C-SPAN: PRIME MINISTER'S QUESTIONS
15:29:06 <sbp> withoutobjectionssoordered
15:29:18 <xover> heh heh
15:32:50 <xover> Wow, he's off on a tangent all his own.
15:34:05 <xover> heh heh¨
15:34:20 <sbp> chuckle @ hair
15:36:15 <xover> Leahy seems incoherent and unfocused.
15:36:57 <xover> Dodd!
15:37:08 <sbp> here he is
15:38:14 <perigrin> A member of congress incoherent and unfocused? Nooooooo
15:38:39 <perigrin> I thought that was reserved to the Executive Branch
15:39:09 <xover> WTF is this White House Briefing they're scrolling?
15:40:24 <sbp> I don't see what you're seeing
15:40:28 <sbp> I just see Dodd and his name etc.
15:40:52 <xover> A minite ago there was a popup on the bottom advertizing a WH Brief at 12:30.
15:41:05 <_bjoern> .calc 1 minite in s
15:41:08 <xover> (followed by putting the vote on the JudCom bill at 2pm)
15:41:08 <phenny> _bjoern: Sorry, no result.
15:45:34 <xover> .gc "Permanent State of Emergency"
15:45:36 <phenny> "Permanent State of Emergency": 11,900
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15:46:43 <xover> Dodd is good!
15:47:58 <sbp> hehe
15:48:02 <therethinker> Heh
15:48:03 <sbp> I was just about to say: he's really warming up now!
15:48:35 <Arnia_> Hah... http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=940401
15:48:38 <Arnia_> .title http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=940401
15:48:41 <phenny> Arnia_: Prime Minister's Question Time@Everything2.com
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15:52:07 <xover> .compare "Terrorists" "Those who would do us harm" "President Bush"
15:52:10 <phenny> "Terrorists" (47,500,000), "President Bush" (25,900,000), "Those who would do us harm" (38,900)
15:52:29 <cr`x_> XOVER
15:52:53 <xover> CR`X_
15:53:15 <cr`x_> xover did you see that i had the fortune of enjoying yet another of your country's delightful cultural output a night ago
15:53:25 <xover> Oh?
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15:54:03 <cr`x> yes indeed! a wobbly-making shot of straight-from-the-icebook Linie Akvavit.
15:54:11 <xover> heh heh
15:54:37 <cr`x> er icebox
15:54:51 <cr`x> but yes, it had been a while since i'd sampled that particular tipple
15:56:03 <xover> @Dodd++
15:57:17 <jsled> Ah, Saxby Chambliss.
15:57:24 <sbp> awesome
15:57:29 <jsled> awesome name, douche bag.
15:57:29 <xover> yeah
15:57:41 <jsled> s/,/./
15:58:12 <jsled> (more of a compare/contrast statement that was supposed to be. Oh well.)
15:58:17 <sbp> hehe
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16:04:32 <xover> Recess?
16:04:40 <jsled> quorum call
16:04:52 <xover> .t est
16:04:54 <phenny> Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:42:15 EST
16:05:09 <xover> Quorum on what, exactly?
16:05:24 <jsled> attendence?
16:05:31 <xover> ah
16:05:39 <sbp> LOCK THE DOORS!
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16:05:46 <sbp> no senator may leave!
16:06:02 <xover> Look for the smoke!
16:06:27 <sbp> "The senate is waiting for a member to come to the floor to speak."
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16:10:09 <jsled> wow. nine whole months, eh?
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16:11:22 <sbp> this guy has gotten somewhat boring
16:11:39 <sbp> ah good, yielding
16:11:54 <jsled> Oh no, not Orrin Hatch. :/
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16:13:43 <xover> It's like watcing Sir Humphrey in action.
16:14:32 <cr`x> what the hell, are you guys watching CSPAN or something?
16:14:47 <xover> cr`x: http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2
16:14:49 <sbp> yeah
16:14:56 <cr`x> weird european people
16:15:04 <sbp> jsled is American
16:15:16 <sbp> a true patriotic American, clearly. unlike you
16:15:27 <sbp> if you're gonna hate your country, do it on your own time
16:15:29 <sbp> not ours
16:15:31 * Arnia gives cr`x a DVD of highlights of BBC Parliament
16:15:34 <cr`x> hey man i WORK for a living
16:15:34 <sbp> we have no interest in it
16:15:38 <sbp> hehe
16:15:41 <cr`x> i have an AMERICAN JOB
16:15:48 <cr`x> so i can feed my FAMILY who was BORN HERE
16:15:48 <sbp> you're working for the enemy
16:15:55 <sbp> it's all Japanese run, you know
16:16:05 <Arnia> Yeah... damn unpatriotic worker
16:16:05 <sbp> Japanese electronics propping the whole system up
16:16:09 <sbp> chips are the new rice!
16:16:16 <therethinker> HAHA
