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00:33:54 <sdkay> Be very wary of the 10th of February!
00:34:00 <sdkay> Or so says Anon
00:35:50 <perigrin> waay to early
00:35:57 <perigrin> Ides of March ... Beware the Ides of March
00:36:04 <sdkay> nonono
00:36:11 <sdkay> Scientology protests
00:41:12 <kpreid> .gc hypothreading
00:41:15 <phenny> hypothreading: 69
00:42:29 <perigrin> .gc hypnothreading
00:42:31 <phenny> hypnothreading: 9
00:42:40 <perigrin> .gc HYPNOTOAD
00:42:43 <phenny> HYPNOTOAD: 362,000
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02:19:22 <jsled> [[[
02:19:24 <jsled> These definitions are taken from arc.arc. Reading that file is a
02:19:24 <jsled> good way to learn more about both Arc and Arc programming techniques.
02:19:24 <jsled> Nothing in it is used before it's defined; it is an exercise in
02:19:24 <jsled> building the part of the language written in Arc up from the "axioms"
02:19:24 <jsled> defined in ac.scm. I hoped this would yield a simple language. But
02:19:25 <jsled> since this is also the source code of Arc, I've tried to balance
02:19:27 <jsled> simplicity with efficiency. The definitions aren't mathematically
02:19:29 <jsled> minimal if that would be insanely inefficient; I tried that once,
02:19:31 <jsled> and they were.
02:19:33 <jsled> ]]] - http://ycombinator.com/arc/tut.txt
02:21:49 <Tene> What about it?
02:22:22 <jsled> Hmm?
02:22:46 <jsled> Mostly the last sentence, but the rest for context.
02:33:28 <jsled> [[[
02:33:29 <jsled> I went to a talk last summer by Guido van Rossum about Python, and he seemed to have spent most of the preceding year switching from one representation of characters to another. I never want to blow a year dealing with characters. Why did Guido have to? Because he had to think about compatibility. But though it seems benevolent to worry about breaking existing code, ultimately there's a cost: it means you spend a year dealing with character sets
02:33:29 <jsled> instead of making the language more powerful.
02:33:33 <jsled> ]]] - http://www.paulgraham.com/arc0.html
02:35:11 <jsled> Of course, the benefit of that cost is that 'useful' numbers of people will actually use your thing. As that's seemingly unimportant to you, have fun!
02:35:56 <jsled> “But the kind of people who would be offended by [the fact that Arc only supports ascii] wouldn't like Arc anyway.”
02:36:04 <jsled> :[
02:36:08 <jsled> :p, even,
02:36:55 <deltab> what, python programmers?
02:37:29 <jsled> I was really hoping that arc would be a non-lisp syntax on top of lisp.
02:37:52 <jsled> Frankly, a lot of sugar.
02:38:16 <jsled> Or, some really inspired "splenda", if you will.
02:38:58 <jsled> But it seems '= is what I recall setq is, and gensym -> uniq
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02:42:10 <Monty> hey glen_quagmire
02:42:14 <glen_quagmire> hey Monty
02:42:17 <Monty> '.tavtime - http://etymonline.com/?term=conjecture
02:42:46 <glen_quagmire> DirectoryIndex index.php but i can't go to url/
02:42:56 <glen_quagmire> You don't have permission to access
02:43:08 <glen_quagmire> Directory index forbidden by rule
02:43:33 <deltab> do you have Options +Indexes ?
02:43:37 <jsled> Also, [[[ Arc is an accumulation of years of tricks for making programs shorter. Sounds rather unambitious, but that is in fact the purpose of high-level languages: they make programs shorter.
02:43:58 <jsled> ]]] - ibid.
02:43:59 <glen_quagmire> deltab: yes. but mayb ei'm not allowed to have .htaccess ?
02:44:52 <deltab> http://www.slingcode.com/apache.php — “Lemme guess, you're facing the elusive "DocumentRoot Directory index forbidden by rule" problem with Apache.”
02:45:04 <jsled> but seriously, (mac …)? I think of BigMac, I think of mac and cheese.
02:46:28 <jsled> At the same time, at least lambda -> fn \
02:46:28 <glen_quagmire> deltab: i'll try those thanks. except that i'm not admin
02:47:03 <jsled> 'night.
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02:48:52 <deltab> search the web for the error message, or ask in #apache
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03:46:13 * cr`x is currently getting his mind blown by the fact that arc is ascii only
03:58:05 <perigrin> .weather kmsp
03:58:06 <phenny> Clear ☼, -13.0℉ (-25℃), 29.78in (1005mb), Moderate breeze 15kt (↑) - KMSP 22:53, 0453Z
03:58:12 <perigrin> woot!
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05:19:07 <_bjoern> .title http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,160195,00.html
05:19:07 <phenny> _bjoern: World's Most Powerful Rail Gun Delivered to Navy
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06:57:10 <Monty> bah, it's parag0n again
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07:27:39 <sbp> “That, of course, is the problem with rail guns: Like lasers, they're out of step with modern-day generators and capacitors. Eight and 9-megajoule rail guns have been fired before, but providing 3 million amps of power per shot has been a limitation.”
07:27:41 <sbp> — http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,160195,00.html
07:28:30 <sbp> .gc "fighting ethanol hype"
07:28:31 <phenny> "fighting ethanol hype": 4
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07:31:05 <Monty> welcome, danbri
07:33:11 <xover> .title http://paulgraham.com/arc0.html
07:33:11 <phenny> xover: Arc's Out
07:34:33 <sbp> .title http://inamidst.com/data/%3Ctitle%3EDon%27t+Care%3C/title%3E
07:34:36 <phenny> sbp: Don't+Care
07:34:42 <xover> heh heh
07:34:49 <sbp> @@ fix the +
07:34:49 <supybot> sbp: Error: "@" is not a valid command.
07:34:55 <sbp> @@ destroy supybot
07:34:56 <supybot> sbp: Error: "@" is not a valid command.
07:35:05 <xover> @supybot--
07:35:12 <sbp> @karma
07:35:19 <sbp> hehe
07:35:23 <xover> Oh, I should read backscroll.
07:35:31 <xover> @xover--
07:35:51 <sbp> note that I didn't care the first time either
07:35:58 <sbp> also it doesn't matter that you didn't
07:36:08 <sbp> the only decent thing in it is _bjoern's topic, which you can see anyway
07:36:18 * xover goes to inject himself with morning caffeine…
07:36:22 <sbp> :-)
07:39:09 <sbp> .wik High School Musical 2
07:39:12 <phenny> "High School Musical 2 is the sequel to the Disney Channel Original Movie, High School Musical." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_School_Musical_2
07:39:38 <sbp> I was going to say it's a perfect $thing, where $thing is the word for something that makes you vomit. but I can't remember what you call a thing which makes you vomit
07:39:47 <sbp> so I looked here: http://www.onelook.com/?w=*%3Amakes+vomit&ls=a
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07:40:03 <sbp> and there's this great word:
07:40:03 <sbp> [[[
07:40:04 <sbp> Quick definitions (vomitory)
07:40:04 <sbp> # noun: an entrance to an amphitheater or stadium
07:40:05 <sbp> ]]]
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07:40:43 <xover> heh heh
07:41:17 <xover> Damn, now I feel like I can juuuust aaaaalmost... not recall that word.
07:41:37 <sbp> yeah
07:41:45 <sbp> it's like "cathartic"
07:41:48 <sbp> but acts the other end
07:42:56 <sbp> ahahaha:
07:42:56 <sbp> [[[
07:42:57 <sbp> Quick definitions (Ecballium)
07:42:57 <sbp> # noun: exploding cucumber; squirting cucumber
07:42:58 <sbp> ]]]
07:43:33 <sbp> ooh, getting closer
07:43:35 <sbp> “Emeto-cathartic (?) , a. [Gr. vomiting + E. cathartic.] (Med.) Producing vomiting and purging at the same time.”
07:44:05 <xover> .w emetic
07:44:08 <phenny> emetic n. 1: A medicine that induces nausea and vomiting.
07:44:14 <sbp> yup
07:44:18 <sbp> awesome, thanks
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07:44:28 * xover breathes in relief…
07:44:30 <sbp> hehe
07:44:40 <sbp> High School Musical 2 is a perfect emetic
07:45:04 <sbp> possibly even an emeto-cathartic
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07:45:40 <sbp> @supybot--
07:45:42 <sbp> @karma
07:46:24 <sbp> I wonder if it's actually logging these --ings?
07:46:24 <xover> jemfinch seems to have lost interest in it.
07:46:28 <sbp> yeah
07:46:36 <sbp> it must be on like -720 by now
07:47:44 <sbp> .tock
07:47:52 <phenny> "Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:30:06 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
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07:49:57 <MoiraA_> sbp: any news re valentines day?
07:50:08 <sbp> nope
07:50:09 <MoiraA_> got to go out this morning, will speak when I get back
07:50:12 <sbp> haven't seen d8uv yet
07:50:18 <MoiraA_> not a problem
07:50:21 <MoiraA_> must dash
07:50:23 <sbp> will let you know if there's any news
07:50:24 <sbp> c'ya
07:50:27 <MoiraA_> speak later
07:50:31 <sbp> enjoy
07:51:35 * sbp sighs
07:51:44 <sbp> I've got to return Records and Images to my library today
07:51:51 <sbp> even though the last time someone got it out was in 2001
07:51:59 <sbp> and the time before that, *1987*
07:52:17 <sbp> granted I have had it for like over a year now, I think
07:52:32 <sbp> but it's too huge to be lugging around on a Wednesday morning
07:52:44 <xover> So you need to turn it in at the desk, go out for a fag, and go back in asking “Do you have Records and Images, please?”.
07:52:52 <sbp> yep, exactly
07:53:04 <sbp> there's a limit of 4 at-home renewals
07:53:10 <sbp> even if nobody else requests it
07:54:03 <xover> I wonder if I'm still allowed at the loca Uni lib. after keeping all the interesting bits of their Shaks collection 5 months overdue...
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07:56:49 <_bjoern> I wonder how the Klingons would handle such a matter.
07:58:08 <xover> Yeah, me too; which is why I'm a bit nervous about showing my face around the place.
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07:58:13 <sbp> they'd be all "KzGhu'aUgh xKleMbrugAh"
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07:58:37 <sbp> and the librarian would be all smiting them with a katana
07:58:59 <sbp> or a katakana, if they were *particularly* skilled and geeky
07:59:26 <sbp> the thing that gets me about Star Trek...
07:59:28 <xover> Oh. The Klingons are distinct from the Librarians in this little scenario.
07:59:33 <sbp> is that all the non-human races are homogenous
07:59:56 <sbp> they all look pretty much the same. when you consider humans, there's huge variation of size, skin tone, ethnic backgrounds and cultures and languages and customs etc.
08:00:15 <sbp> but none of the other races in Star Trek have that diversity. they all look the same, have the same customs, and one language
08:01:09 <sbp> when my sci-fi series gets commissioned...
08:02:10 <_bjoern> One language? I'd rather wonder how it is that despite their universal translators, the characters manage to speak different languages.
08:02:33 <sbp> that's a point
08:02:40 <sbp> perhaps they can turn them off temporarily
08:02:59 <sbp> but I mean, each race has one language
08:03:07 <sbp> so the entire empire of Klingons just speak Klingon
08:03:14 <sbp> the entire empire of Romulans just speak Romulan
08:03:21 <sbp> there's no variation amongst them
08:03:44 <sbp> whereas on earth there are what, 2000 languages or more? with vastly different scripts and characteristics
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08:05:00 <xover> That's showing an Earth bias. There's no reason to assume our planet is represenative of sentient life in the universe.
08:05:02 <sbp> sorry to destroy the previous good topic, but...
08:05:22 <sbp> xover: yeah, but how come there are no other planets that have any diversity at all?
08:05:29 <xover> Please dear gods let earth not be representative of sentient life in the universe!
08:05:36 <sbp> even if we're in the minority for being so diverse, you'd think we'd at least not be unique
08:06:45 <xover> I could entertain an argument that, after a certain point, monoculture is the most likely evolutionary path.
08:07:18 <xover> And Star Trek's premise is, somewhat, that we're unique.
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08:07:36 <xover> Much SciFi has that premise. An article of faith, almost.
08:08:23 <sbp> or that we're not sufficiently evolved yet? :-)
08:08:36 <xover> heh heh
08:08:45 <_bjoern> You should have a look at how many earth languages and scripts have died out, and how many new ones we've got over time.
08:08:51 <sbp> actually I don't even know that earthians don't speak anything other than English and have become homogenised saxonate overlings in the Star Trek universe
08:09:11 <sbp> sure, it's like \, but...
08:09:24 <sbp> at least Firefly has two languages
08:09:32 <xover> @Firefly++
08:09:40 <sbp> @karma Firefly
08:09:41 <_bjoern> One swear language, and one talk language.
08:09:46 <xover> And the Chinese interjections were a big big part of that!
08:11:02 <xover> Yeah, no, the single language doesn't much bother me; but the lack of distinct dialects, or even sociolects (if I'm using that term correctly), on the other hand.
08:12:03 <sbp> “Harking of human diversity and contemporaneous political circumstances, Roddenberry included a multi-ethnic crew.” — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek
08:12:29 <sbp> I think Klingon does have sociolects at least
08:12:32 <sbp> it's like Japanese
08:12:51 <sbp> except Japanese has politeness forms, and Klingon has the opposite...
08:12:56 <sbp> calling clsn, calling clsn!
08:13:08 <sbp> we need the man who translated Hamlet into Klingon at this point
08:13:10 <xover> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/29/steve-martin-on-bein.html
08:13:11 <_bjoern> I like how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Translator#Star_Trek concludes with "This implies the Universal Translator may work at least partially on a telepathic level."
08:13:13 <phenny> xover: Steve Martin on being funny - Boing Boing
08:13:56 <sbp> “The TNG episode “Darmok” also illustrates another instance where the universal translator proves ineffective and unintelligible, because the Tamarian language is too deeply rooted in local metaphor.” — U SUCK UNIVERSaL TRANSLATER!!
08:14:07 <sbp> Steve Martin on being funny?
08:14:12 <sbp> “I was I was funny”?
08:14:15 <sbp> er, wish
08:14:17 <sbp> whatever
08:14:29 <sbp> I'm not stressed out about words today
08:14:33 <sbp> I'm just gonna let words happen
08:15:48 <_bjoern> "A Universal Translator does exist, created by Professor Farnsworth, but while it can translate any language, it can only translate them into French (which, by the year 3000, is a dead language; in the French version of Futurama, the dead language is German)."
08:15:49 <sbp> ah! he explains why he's not funny! even better
08:16:04 <sbp> hahaha
08:16:17 <xover> Dunno. I haven't seen his standup.
08:16:33 <xover> The mechanics in movies is somewhat different.
08:16:44 <sbp> true
08:16:59 <sbp> actually I can't swear to having seen his standup
08:17:17 <sbp> though I thought I'd seen a lot of various Steve Martin, it's probably at least 98% movie
08:17:44 <sbp> to YouTube, therefore!
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08:22:09 <xover> @supybot--
08:22:15 <_bjoern> <Worf> As time passes, a boy inevitably becomes a man; but what is not inevitable is that a man becomes a sword.
08:22:35 <sbp> all I can find is http://youtube.com/watch?v=XT0HAp2uobc
08:22:49 <sbp> that is not inevitable, no
08:22:52 <sbp> @karma
08:23:08 <sbp> anyway, I have to lug a book
08:23:15 <xover> cya
08:23:17 <sbp> you people have got in the way of my book lugging long enough
08:23:24 <sbp> I ain't gonna stand for it no more!
08:23:32 <sbp> if I wanna lug my book, I'm gonna lug my book
08:23:41 <sbp> there's nothing you can do about it anymore. I just don't care
08:23:44 <sbp> I'm going book lugging
08:23:58 <sbp> even if it appears that I don't *want* to lug a book
08:24:19 <sbp> I'm gonna lug that book! because you're not gonna stop me! who's gonna stop me? nobody! nobody's gonna stop me lugging a book if I wanna lug a book!
08:24:36 <sbp> grumble
08:24:37 <sbp> c'ya!
08:25:07 <_bjoern> wow http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=lug
08:25:24 <_bjoern> That's the longest list I ever got there, I think.
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08:27:19 <_bjoern> .gc painstick
08:27:21 <phenny> painstick: 2,540
08:28:08 <Talliesin> painstick?
08:28:43 <Talliesin> Do you mean those little metal rods that you can flick and they bring out nice surface welts with very little impact deeper into the muscle?
08:28:59 <Talliesin> I was playing with one of those at a party briefly. They're fun.
08:29:06 <Talliesin> Can't find where I can buy them locally though.
08:30:04 <xover> Don't tase me, bro.
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08:38:12 <xover> @supybot--
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08:48:30 <darobin> .swhack mutheism
08:48:33 <phenny> darobin: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-01-14#T09-00-28
08:48:55 <darobin> thanks phenny
08:48:57 <phenny> Not at all.
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09:02:53 <xover> .title http://www.slate.com/id/2182945/
09:02:55 <phenny> xover: Let's do away with the legislative fiction of the terrorist alarm clock. - By Dahlia Lithwick - Slate Magazine
09:11:04 <xover> .title http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/005160.php
09:11:07 <phenny> xover: TPMmuckraker | Talking Points Memo | Negroponte Confirms Use of Waterboarding
09:11:44 <_bjoern> .calc 1024kbps over 45 minutes
09:11:46 <phenny> (1 024 kbps) over (45 minutes) = 48.5451852 Bytes / s2
09:11:57 <_bjoern> .calc 1024kbps times 45 minutes
09:11:59 <phenny> (1 024 kbps) times 45 minutes = 337.5 megabytes
09:21:17 <parag0n> how do people do their calculator modules for bots? is it all google calculator?
09:24:14 <darobin> afaik, yeah
09:26:03 <xover> phenny's is. Dunno about others.
09:26:32 <_bjoern> The others aren't. Except perhaps supybot might have a weird module for it.
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10:24:37 <MoiraA_> sbp: you around?
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10:39:30 <MoiraA_> hi
10:39:35 <MoiraA_> no sbp?
10:48:14 <xover> sbp is off waging psychological warefare with the Unilib Office of Special Operations.
10:48:28 <MoiraA_> np
10:49:36 <MoiraA_> tell him - sorry can't remember how to do it with the bot
10:52:12 <xover> “phenny: tell sbp <text>”
10:53:11 <MoiraA_> phenny: tell sbp thanks for all his efforts, absolutely np, I'll send a superb postcard!
10:53:13 <phenny> MoiraA_: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
10:53:20 <MoiraA_> thank you phenny
10:53:22 <phenny> You're welcome.
10:53:23 <MoiraA_> and xover
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10:53:30 <MoiraA_> blimey you are one clever bot
10:53:48 <MoiraA_> but there again, sbp made you
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10:53:57 <Monty> hey kpreid
10:53:59 <MoiraA_> and he is exceptionally brilliant
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11:41:32 <sbp> yo
11:41:34 <phenny> sbp: 12:35Z <MoiraA_> tell sbp thanks for all his efforts, absolutely np, I'll send a superb postcard!
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11:42:02 <MoiraA_> heh
11:42:08 <sbp> I am bereft of one large Schoenbaum book
11:42:14 <MoiraA_> sbp, just leave it I appreciate your time and effort
11:42:19 <sbp> cool
11:42:24 <MoiraA_> I can easily organise something else
11:42:42 <MoiraA_> will send a great postcard to you from NZ
11:49:13 <sbp> ahahaha
11:49:14 <sbp> 13:22 <kristallpirat> what are you doing in here, Monty?
11:49:14 <sbp> 13:22 <Monty> I'm going to attack gerbils.
11:49:16 <Monty> pocket change it ;)
11:49:17 <Monty> "A Universal Translator may ask?
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11:55:05 <Monty> But what does mmmmmrob have to do with the price of fish?
11:55:07 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
11:55:08 <Monty> What does that suggest to you ?
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12:04:37 <sbp> hiCal. byeCal
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12:07:38 <nslater> hai
12:07:46 <sbp> 'ello nslater
12:08:04 <sbp> what up?
12:09:22 <nslater> nothing much, i just figured i might start lurking in here instead of swig
12:09:26 <nslater> seems a little more social :)
12:09:43 <sbp> yeah
12:09:58 <sbp> well, when there are people
12:09:59 <nslater> plus, the amoutn of channel i had open was getting silly, heh
12:10:17 <sbp> how many are you in?
12:10:24 <sbp> I'm on ten
12:10:31 <nslater> well, i was in about 10 before, spread over freenode and oftc
12:10:33 <sbp> which is the maximum amount I can be on before dircproxy starts crashing
12:10:42 <nslater> sorry, 20
12:10:55 <sbp> though by an accident of history I can theoretically be on something like 120
12:11:07 <nslater> i am limiting my self to 10 now, one for each number in irssi
12:11:11 <sbp> good idea
12:11:28 <sbp> do you use Alt+N to switch, or /win N?
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12:11:38 <nslater> ALT-n
12:11:40 <nslater> yeah
12:11:44 <sbp> yeah, I always use Alt+N in irssi too
12:11:55 <sbp> because if you mistype /win, like so many do, it makes you look like an idiot
12:12:02 <nslater> it was getting silly though with me having to CTRL-n or CTRL-p though them all
12:12:06 <nslater> yup
12:12:07 <sbp> if I'm gonna look an idiot, I want to do it with style
12:12:10 <sbp> hehe
12:12:44 <sbp> ten is good. I'm trying a similar thing with Firefox tabs
12:12:50 <sbp> only even more brutal: trying to limit myself to three
12:12:56 <nslater> yeah, i read your blog, wtf dude
12:12:57 * sbp checks how many he has open at the moment...
12:13:03 <sbp> two. winnah
12:13:05 <nslater> how can you have so many open
12:13:11 <nslater> i have two
12:13:14 <sbp> well, it was great
12:13:18 <nslater> my companies Trac install and reddit.com
12:13:24 <sbp> you could use the favicons to see all the work you'd recently been doing
12:13:31 <sbp> and then switch contexts just by clicking tabs
12:13:48 <sbp> I have http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=lug in one and my start page in another
12:14:03 <nslater> ha
12:14:29 <nslater> i dont surf the web that much at work anyway
12:14:33 <sbp> some of these words are hilarious. das Distanzstück. das Gaffelsegel
12:14:34 <nslater> get all my rss via email
12:14:37 <sbp> ah
12:14:44 <sbp> what do you use for email?
12:14:51 <nslater> mutt ftw
12:14:53 <sbp> there have been lots of murmurings about NNW in here
12:14:59 <nslater> nnw?
12:15:05 <sbp> some feed reader
12:15:17 <nslater> netnewswire?
12:15:17 <sbp> NetNewsWire, I think
12:15:39 <nslater> yeah, two problems iirc, it is a) non-free and b) runs on a non-free operating system
12:15:47 <nslater> epic fail ;)
12:16:02 <sbp> I think they just made it free, but I'm not sure what sense of free
12:16:06 <sbp> and Darwin isn't free? odd
12:16:21 <nslater> no, os x isnt free, do you know anyone who runs the free version of darwin?
12:16:55 <sbp> I make it my business not to know anyone who runs the free version of Darwin...
12:17:00 <nslater> ha
12:17:14 <nslater> also, nnw seems to be free as in beer, not speech :(
12:17:21 <sbp> ah
12:17:30 <sbp> I always thought that Stallman analogy sucked
12:17:37 <sbp> because most people like beer more than speech
12:17:53 <nslater> heh, good point, but it gets the message across :)
12:18:02 <sbp> yeah
12:18:08 <sbp> shame there isn't some kind of adjunct
12:18:15 <sbp> "speech with $supermodel" or something
12:18:29 <jsled> Free as in advertising-laden-local-weekly-paper.
12:18:44 <sbp> hehe, what?
12:18:49 <nslater> i use rss2email
12:19:08 <nslater> http://rss2email.infogami.com/
12:19:11 <sbp> oh, did... yeah
12:19:45 <nslater> my email is like a FIFO task list for my mind, so it works perfectly for me :p
12:20:34 <sbp> mine's pretty FINO (Never...). I need to do something about that...
12:21:25 <nslater> heh
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12:40:02 <Arnia_> .calc €105.93 in GBP
12:40:04 <phenny> € 105.93 = 78.7230872 British pounds
12:40:09 <Arnia_> ... hm
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12:53:44 <sbp> hmm
12:53:55 <sbp> you can have language variants, format variants...
12:54:05 <sbp> and you can select alternate styles
12:54:18 <sbp> but you can select between designs
12:54:22 <sbp> I mean, structural designs
12:54:30 <sbp> that would be pretty interesting
12:54:35 <twe> Between you and i can be a problem involving list representations of the social power of an in-progress line should be the closest linux ever to nearly working.
12:54:49 <sbp> "Accept-Design: terse,zenlike"
12:55:11 <sbp> s/but you can/but you can't/
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12:56:37 <Arnia> [[[ Reddit is proof that lisp is really powerful. Paul Graham originally wrote reddit, in lisp, on the back of a napkin while he was waiting for a coffee. it was so powerful that it had to be rewritten in python just so that ordinary computers could understand it. ]]] -- http://secretgeek.net/lisp_truth.asp
12:58:53 <sbp> ahahaha. http://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=01302008
12:59:04 <sbp> today's Achewood is awesome
12:59:21 * sbp is so trying to ignore Arc
12:59:41 <sbp> also, whoo. Firefox now wraps mouseover texts into multiple lines
12:59:48 <sbp> like Camino has been doing for ages
13:00:11 <sbp> interesting:
13:00:11 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7216230.stm
13:00:14 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Hummingbird 'uses tail to chirp'
13:00:34 <sbp> [[[
13:00:34 <sbp> Budget airline Ryanair has been told to withdraw an advert featuring a model in schoolgirl-style clothes and a headline "hottest back to school fares".
13:00:35 <sbp> The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) said the "irresponsible" image appeared to link teenage girls with sexually provocative behaviour.
13:00:36 <sbp> The advert shows the model with a bare midriff in a short skirt, tie, shirt and knee-high socks in a classroom.
13:00:36 <sbp> Ryanair refused to withdraw the image and said the ruling was "censorship".
13:00:42 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7216926.stm
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13:09:11 <_bjoern> Are they sure it does not say "HOT TEST"?
13:09:39 <sbp> good question
13:13:34 <sbp> .compare hotornot botornot snotornot rotornot shotornot potornot notornot
13:13:38 <phenny> hotornot (4,270,000), notornot (2,550), potornot (1,570), botornot (273), shotornot (140), rotornot (44), snotornot (25)
13:14:13 <Arnia> .gs * or not
13:14:17 <phenny> * or not: mirchi (3), fake (3), dfsg complient (3), tokwa (2), recession (2), partition (2), hot (2), fugly (2), evil (2), cute (2), yeti, wonderland, wittingly, vista, true, toupee, toclick
13:14:35 <sbp> .gc "pug fugly"
13:14:38 <phenny> "pug fugly": 11,600
13:24:15 <_bjoern> .gc "puck fuckly"
13:24:17 <phenny> "puck fuckly": 0
13:24:29 <_bjoern> .gc "puk fuckly"
13:24:31 <phenny> "puk fuckly": 0
13:24:56 <sbp> .gc "pig figly"
13:24:58 <phenny> "pig figly": 0
13:25:22 <sbp> the internet has no sense of style
13:25:45 <_bjoern> .wik Drei Chinesen mit dem Kontrabass
13:25:48 <phenny> "Drei Chinesen mit dem Kontrabass (Three Chinamen With A Double Bass) is a popular nonsensical German children's song." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drei_Chinesen_mit_dem_Kontrabass
13:26:13 <sbp> oho
13:26:21 <sbp> or ehe
13:27:44 <Jabberwock> aha
13:28:20 <sbp> well we already have the cozen thing
13:29:07 <_bjoern> "The version featuring "Japanesemen" is still popular in some parts of Switzerland, and a particularly inventive variant attested in Ticino not only rounds off the song with a final yodel but has the Asians sitting on the street not with, but without a double bass."
13:29:20 <sbp> where did it go?!
13:29:26 <sbp> policeman ate it?
13:29:36 <_bjoern> "The reason for this could be that some of the oldest known variants do not feature any musical instrument at all, but rather has the Asians sitting on a street without a passport (German Pass), which would even lend some meaning to the lines."
13:30:35 <sbp> aha
13:30:41 <sbp> uhu?
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13:30:51 <sbp> UHU is a glue in the UK
13:30:56 <sbp> .wik UHU
13:30:59 <phenny> "UHU GmbH & Co. KG is a manufacturer of adhesive products, based in Bühl, Germany." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHU
13:31:03 <sbp> hmm!
13:31:11 <_bjoern> phenny, de "Uhu"?
13:31:14 <phenny> _bjoern: "Eagle owl" (de)
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13:31:32 <sbp> ah, so I see. “Following the custom of the time to name products in the writing goods sector after birds, Fischer named the glue UHU (pronounced: 'oo-hoo), after uhu, the German name for the eagle owl, a bird which at the time could still be found in the Black Forest.”
13:37:15 <Jabberwock> EAGLES
13:40:15 <glen_quagmire> i want host.com:1337 to be forwarded to localhost:80 . so, from localhost, I do ssh -R 1337:localhost:80 id@host.com aren't I doing it right?
13:40:39 <glen_quagmire> .g ssh tunnel generator
13:40:42 <phenny> glen_quagmire: http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2006-May/015603.html
13:41:48 <jsled> glen_quagmire: yeah, that's about right.
13:42:15 <glen_quagmire> then I visit host.com:1337 in firefox, but it's not served
13:42:24 <jsled> note that you need '-g' if you want to connect to that port from hosts *other* than host.com itself.
13:47:01 <glen_quagmire> darn something's wrong it doesn't owkr
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13:50:11 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's chris2!
13:50:28 <_bjoern> It's an illusion Monty, don't fall for it.
13:50:34 <Monty> hotornot (4,270,000), notornot (2,550), potornot (1,570), botornot (273), shotornot (140), rotornot (44), snotornot (25)
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14:10:39 <glen_quagmire> maybe port is closed
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14:17:10 <xover> Anyone on Mac OS X 10.5(.1) able to reach <http://www.ryanair.com/>?
14:20:33 <xover> Hmm. Its SOA record lists NS RRs for hosts with AAAA records.
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14:28:17 <glen_quagmire> i use Windows XP and able to reach
14:31:55 <sbp> fine on Tiger
14:32:25 <xover> Yeah, I'm betting this is DNS on Leopard that's fucked.
14:36:04 <kpreid> xover: maybe your computer is trying to connect over ipv6 (only) for some reason?
14:36:27 <xover> Yeah, that's what I'm starting to think (cf. the AAAA RRs).
14:37:29 <xover> Telneting to the IPv4 address works; telnet'ing to the hostname leads to “nodename nor servname provided, or not known”
14:39:40 <xover> .gc nostalgist
14:39:42 <phenny> nostalgist: 20,300
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15:01:17 <glen_quagmire> is there a way to convert unicode characters to ascii?
15:01:25 <glen_quagmire> like, weird punctuation marks
15:02:05 <sbp> sure, if you make a table of conversions it'd be fairly trivial, no?
15:02:29 <sbp> though I dunno why you'd want to, in 2008...
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15:02:36 <Monty> hey JibberJim
15:03:23 <nslater> Monty, why dont you welcome me to the channel, don't you love me?
15:03:25 <Monty> I reckon Christmas + editor = Netscape mammal.
15:04:02 <nslater> What is Monty? I can't figure it out...
15:04:02 <Monty> Are such questions much on your mind ?
15:04:08 <nslater> Ack.
15:04:18 <Tene> Monty: can *you* access http://www.ryanair.com/ in your browser?
15:04:20 <Monty> I reckon you finger fixing decorations.
15:04:33 <sbp> pẅned
15:04:39 <glen_quagmire> when I import something in drupal, unicode chars are broken
15:04:46 <glen_quagmire> maybe it's php problem
15:04:56 <sbp> glen_quagmire: in that case, you should file a bug with Drupal!
15:05:16 <sbp> if you're sure it's not some problem of your own doing
15:05:31 <glen_quagmire> .unicode
15:07:07 <glen_quagmire> .unicode
15:07:15 <sbp> what are you doing now?
15:07:19 <sbp> phenny: help unicode?
15:07:22 <phenny> Sorry, no documentation for unicode.
15:07:34 <glen_quagmire> i'm trying to get code for this character ()
15:07:34 <sbp> tsk. well anyway, you need to give something to search for
15:07:44 <sbp> .pc ()
15:07:51 <glen_quagmire> .pc
15:07:54 <sbp> .bytes ()
15:08:02 <glen_quagmire> i think my irc client is also non unicode
15:08:06 <sbp> ...odd
15:08:07 <phenny> '()'
15:08:07 <phenny> U+22BB XOR (⊻)
15:08:11 <phenny> U+22BB XOR (⊻)
15:08:11 <sbp> oh, there we go
15:08:13 <phenny> 0028: LEFT PARENTHESIS (()
15:08:16 <phenny> 0029: RIGHT PARENTHESIS ())
15:08:38 <sbp> XOR is being reported as the shortest unicode character (from .unicode)
15:08:46 <sbp> so you didn't paste in any character, apparently
15:09:17 <glen_quagmire> hrm
15:09:41 <glen_quagmire> http://rafb.net/p/BRqQ0a58.html this is the character
15:10:09 <kpreid> .pc ’
15:10:16 <phenny> 2019: RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK (’)
15:10:55 <sbp> .bytes ’
15:10:57 <phenny> '\xe2\x80\x99'
15:11:08 <nslater> so, whats is Monty then, apart from a bot?
15:11:09 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
15:11:18 <sbp> .eval u'\u2019'.encode('utf-8')
15:11:19 <phenny> '\xe2\x80\x99'
15:11:24 <nslater> Monty, how are you feeling?
15:11:24 <glen_quagmire> is there a way to grep non ascii characters?
15:11:27 <sbp> nslater: a state of mind
15:11:28 <Monty> FreeBSD ejaculating humidity likes distressing religious behaviour?!
15:11:36 <nslater> sbp: im lost
15:11:38 <sbp> Monty: tell nslater what you are
15:11:39 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll tell nslater that next time I see them...
15:11:44 <sbp> Monty: countdown
15:11:45 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 1, 10, 10, 1, 3. Your target is 926. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
15:11:48 <nslater> glen_quagmire: yes, there should be
15:11:48 <Monty> Hey nslater, sbp asked me to tell you: what you are [Wed Jan 30 16:54:11 GMT 2008]
15:11:53 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 2 seconds to say hello to you
15:11:54 <Monty> Example of correct usage: "Remind me in 15 minutes to check the oven." I understand all combinations of days, hours and minutes.
15:12:02 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 1 minute to say hello to you
15:12:03 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Wed Jan 30 16:55:36 GMT 2008
15:12:15 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
15:12:16 <Monty> Oh bugger, I don't think I can solve that one!
15:12:23 <sbp> bugger, Monty?
15:12:25 <Monty> loves ancient green Jean Alesi.
15:12:50 <nslater> glen_quagmire: in python at least you can grep for [^\w\d] without the UNICODE flag set
15:12:55 <nslater> glen_quagmire: but thats just a guess
15:13:12 <sbp> Monty: help
15:13:13 <Monty> Help: I understand the following commands: help save stats time lookup thesaurus foldoc ignore remind tell whatson random countdown google seen box javadoc acronym weather insult translate paper/scissors/stone calc day define/declare/set
15:13:15 <Monty> Help: To ask me for help about a certain command, try "Monty: help <command>"
15:13:16 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you to say hello to you
15:13:21 <sbp> hello Monty
15:13:23 <Monty> because instead of mind
15:13:34 <sbp> acronym gullbox
15:13:34 <Monty> "GULLBOX" - go u'\u2019'.encode('utf-8') least like before osfameron: xover:
15:13:41 <sbp> stone
15:13:41 <Monty> I chose paper - I win! :o)
15:13:45 <sbp> scissors
15:13:46 <Monty> I chose paper - You win :(
15:13:46 <dahut> nobody wins! (I had scissors.)
15:14:02 <sbp> seen nslater
15:14:02 <Monty> nslater (n=nslater) was last seen by #swhack coming from bytesexual.org on Wed Jan 30 16:55:28 GMT 2008 saying: glen_quagmire: but thats just a guess
15:14:17 <jsled> rock
15:14:17 <dahut> I had paper, dahut wins.
15:14:24 <sbp> hadhut!
15:14:25 <dahut> AD HUT!
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15:19:21 <cr`x> metadata!
15:22:15 <bjoern_> paper
15:22:15 <dahut> dahut wins! (I had scissors.)
15:22:15 <Monty> I chose scissors - I win! :o)
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15:23:30 <sbp> hehe
15:23:37 <sbp> so I just got all of the lines I said on Swhack in 2007
15:23:45 <sbp> put them in a file, with the timestamp and nickname stripped
15:23:58 <sbp> then used my randline program to get a random sbp-in-2007 line from it
15:24:01 <sbp> here's the first result:
15:24:02 <sbp> $ ~www/code/randline.py sbp2007.txt
15:24:02 <sbp> 2. "Naked women."
15:24:10 <nslater> ha!
15:24:11 <glen_quagmire> nslater: what is grep in python?
15:24:21 <sbp> (the second was "F00L: CHARACTER OF MISSPELLING COMMAND (∾)")
15:24:23 <nslater> glen_quagmire: sorry, i meant re
15:24:38 <glen_quagmire> nslater: on thanks
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15:25:08 <sbp> chuckle, this is a great thing to have done
15:25:15 <sbp> this stuff is great out of context
15:25:18 <sbp> "a uk:biscuit is like... a cookie without the chocolate chips"
15:25:39 <nslater> i didnt realise you could namespace food ;)
15:26:47 <sbp> favourite so far: "also it's not absurdist enough. most people would sell their wives for any kind of hat"
15:27:26 <sbp> "good save by POOM there" is pretty good too
15:29:11 <sbp> (in case anybody gives a shit, it's 432,094 words)
15:29:39 <sbp> I should aim for half a million this year
15:29:45 <sbp> gotta yap on about crap a bit more often
15:30:01 <bjoern_> .wik var'aq
15:30:20 <phenny> "var'aq is a programming language based loosely upon the grammatical structure of the Klingon language." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Var'aq
15:30:40 <Arnia> sbp: that would make a great phenny module .random <nick>
15:31:16 <sbp> Comments: Note the canonical var'aq "hello, world";
15:31:16 <sbp> actually prints "What do you want, universe?" in Klingon
15:31:19 <sbp> Arnia: ooh, yeah
15:31:51 <sbp> phenny: tell clsn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Var%27aq (if'n you did'n know by now)
15:31:52 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when clsn is around.
15:34:57 <clsn> Yeah, there's a mailing list for it that I'm on; all it gets these days is spam from allegedly cute girls putting it on their friends list.
15:34:57 <phenny> clsn: 17:14Z <sbp> tell clsn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Var%27aq (if'n you did'n know by now)
15:36:04 <sbp> chuckle. "allegedly"
15:36:26 <clsn> Heh. Well, you know what I mean, surely you've gotten the same sort of spam.
15:36:31 <sbp> yeah
15:36:44 <clsn> (I figured, a handsome strapping guy like you...)
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15:37:49 <sbp> (allegedly)
15:39:12 <sbp> referrer: [holly berry gets her soles tickled new clips]
15:41:19 <jsled> not those lame old clips. Gimme the new clips. The holly berry clips.
15:41:27 <sbp> yeah mang
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15:41:45 <sbp> sick of those damn old clips
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15:42:43 <bjoern_> '''Searches related to: "holly berry" -- holly berry poisonous; holly berry christmas tree farm'''
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16:17:39 <sbp> heh, I just realised: OWL is the SGML of the Semantic Web
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16:20:57 <sbp> what I mean is:
16:20:57 <sbp> [[[
16:20:59 <sbp> Some earlier versions of HTML (in particular from HTML2 to HTML4) were based on SGML and used SGML parsing rules. However, few (if any) web browsers ever implemented true SGML parsing for HTML documents; the only user agents to strictly handle HTML as an SGML application have historically been validators.
16:21:03 <sbp> ]]] - HTML 5 WD
16:21:09 <sbp> who uses OWL to use DL tools with it?
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16:51:10 <sbp> Arnia: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-01-30#T16-17-39
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16:52:33 <Arnia> Hm. I'm not entirely sure that's fair. SGML's problem was that it was too complicated to use. OWL-DL's problem is almost the opposite, it is too simple to use.
16:53:01 <sbp> really? it doesn't take much to push it into OWL Full and hence undecidability
16:53:42 <perigrin> sbp, doesn't take me much to get pushed into undecidability either ... "fish and chips or curry .... damnit"
16:54:12 <sbp> just have Monty decide. Monty! fish and chips, or curry?
16:54:14 <Monty> it a truer word spoken
16:54:25 <sbp> there you go. problem solved
16:55:29 <Arnia> sbp: that's more due to the choices made in constructors, and is undecidable so bad if we're running under an anytime assumption?
16:56:00 <sbp> it just seems odd to have such simple stuff be undecidable
16:56:04 <perigrin> mekano-pip, choose one fish and chips or curry
16:56:09 <mekano-pip> perigrin: FISH AND CHIPZ.
16:56:14 <sbp> I'm not sure any logician making such a thing would've noticed
16:56:15 <sbp> or cared
16:56:24 <perigrin> mekano-pip, chose one OWL DL or SGML
16:56:24 <sbp> what passes for an implementation with OWL?
16:56:24 <mekano-pip> perigrin: IF I HAVE T CHOOSE, I PICK SGML.
16:56:40 <sbp> er, any non-logician even
16:57:10 <Arnia> sbp: well... it matters to description logic people. The thing with DLs is that they're very fragile, and no one yet knows why
16:57:16 * perigrin wants to be a logicians assistant.
16:57:33 <Arnia> sbp: you mix two innocuous looking constructors and you break the logic
16:57:45 <Arnia> (break meaning make undecidable the decision problem)
16:58:56 <Arnia> But DLs are used for historical reasons
16:58:57 <sbp> do NALs have similar fragility?
17:00:11 <Arnia> NALs work under an anytime assumption, this makes the notion of a decision problem fairly irrelevant
17:00:37 <Arnia> so, the question is fairly meaningless
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17:02:43 <sbp> ah
17:05:21 <Arnia> This is seen by some as a weakness — "but you don't know that's the right answer!" — and by some as a strength — "you don't assume there is a right answer"
17:05:27 <Arnia> Depends on which poison you've picked
17:05:35 <bjoern_> We must destroy mekano-pip at once. His mind is infested with sgml thoughts.
17:06:00 <sbp> mekano-pip: deinfest yourself of the SGML, please
17:06:01 <mekano-pip> sbp: YOAR POLITE STYLE AR TEH VERY NICE. THAT REMARK WAZ EITHR T COMPLEX OR 2 SIMPLE FR ME. WE WERE TALKINS ABOUT .
17:06:18 <sbp> mekano-pip: SGML. if you don't understand it, you're probably on the right track
17:06:20 <mekano-pip> sbp: SHUR, SGML SOUNDZ LIEK GUUD TOPIC. I UNDERSTAND IT VERY WELL. KTHXBYE!
17:06:25 <sbp> oh dear
17:07:06 <perigrin> he's all old skool on his markup skillz
17:07:37 <sbp> mekano-pip: validate this: @^{$@P)(^IP$)I)4250
17:07:39 <mekano-pip> sbp: AR THAT UR FINAL ANSWR?
17:07:48 <sbp> mekano-pip: that's my question. well, command
17:07:48 <bjoern_> It is hopeless. We must proceed with the killing.
17:07:49 <mekano-pip> sbp: HOO GAVE U UR QWESJUN ? WELL THATZ OKAY. DO YU HAVE LOT OF FEARZ? . KTHXBYE!
17:07:57 <sbp> 'k
17:08:03 <sbp> Monty: kill mekano-pip
17:08:05 <Monty> but thats just got all old clips
17:08:14 <perigrin> mekano-pip, fight Monty to the death
17:08:14 <Monty> That is interesting. Please continue.
17:08:14 <mekano-pip> perigrin: WUT WERE WE TALKINS ABOUT AGAIN?
17:08:28 <perigrin> mekano-pip, you fighting monty to the death ...
17:08:29 <mekano-pip> perigrin: I HAVENT HEARD ANYTHIN LIKEZ THAT BEFORE: SAID I FITEINS MONTY TO TEH DEATH.
17:08:29 <Monty> squeaky oestrogen.
17:08:30 <Monty> It is a cinema
17:09:01 <sbp> squeaky oestrogen!
17:11:49 <bjoern_> mekano-pip, are you already sufficiently dead?
17:11:50 <mekano-pip> bjoern_: NOW? I AM PIP. PLEEZ INSERT LEAF. (HTTP://WWW.FLICKR.COM/FOTOZ/APELAD/2096535391/). KTHX.
17:12:01 <bjoern_> mekano-pip, have all SGML thoughts been destroyed?
17:12:02 <mekano-pip> bjoern_: IVE NEVR THOUGHT ABOUT IT. KTHX.
17:12:28 <bjoern_> mekano-pip, open leaf slot plz
17:12:30 <mekano-pip> bjoern_: I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. . KTHXBYE!
17:12:40 <bjoern_> mekano-pip, where should I insert leaf?
17:12:42 <mekano-pip> bjoern_: WHERE DO YU THINK? KTHXBYE!
17:12:57 <bjoern_> mekano-pip, I think into the leaf slot.
17:12:59 <mekano-pip> bjoern_: SINCE WHEN? WUT AR UR REAL NAME?
17:13:07 <bjoern_> mekano-pip, good point
17:13:08 <mekano-pip> bjoern_: YEZ, I THOUGHT IT WAZ INTERESTIN WHEN I HEARD IT T.
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17:13:14 <sbp> hehe
17:13:25 <sbp> twe: do you have a leaf slot? or a duck slot?
17:13:33 <twe> sbp: Got you into the leaf slot.
17:13:39 <sbp> oh baby
17:13:51 <sbp> I'm not a leaf though, twe. or are you fantasizing?
17:13:57 <twe> Or is that they are though.
17:14:22 <sbp> <biabot> [no wimpy teas] led 198.238.*.* to http://inamidst.com/notes/middletea
17:15:21 <sbp> @karma
17:19:50 <_bjoern> .g "klingon tea"
17:19:53 <phenny> _bjoern: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Klingon_tea_ceremony
17:20:40 <_bjoern> "The Klingon Tea Ceremony is a test of courage. The participants ingested tea brewed from a poisonous plant and recited poetry to each other. Worf stated that this was to teach that "Death is an experience best shared.""
17:20:52 <_bjoern> Is that sufficiently unwimpy?
17:21:09 <perigrin> dude poetry ...
17:21:28 <sbp> .gs poetry is for *
17:21:32 <phenny> poetry is for *: everyone (7), wimps (5), suckers (4), faeries (4), sissies (3), poets (3), pleasure (3), losers (3), fairies (3), wusses (2), pansies (2), lovers (2), geeks (2), fags (2), enjoymen
17:21:43 <sbp> .gc "poetry is for pussies"
17:21:46 <phenny> "poetry is for pussies": 162
17:25:56 <sbp> .gs * discharge
17:25:57 <_bjoern> .gc "pussy poetry"
17:25:59 <phenny> * discharge: vaginal (8), nasal (5), of (3), military (3), the (2), river (2), penile (2), partial (2), glow (2), electrostatic (2), electron (2), dishonourable (2), creamy (2), wastewater, vet
17:26:02 <phenny> "pussy poetry": 2,630
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17:31:40 <Monty> yo MoiraA!
17:31:43 <sbp> hmm, @karma makes MoiraA quit too?
17:31:51 <sbp> @karma
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17:32:30 <MoiraA> heh
17:32:34 <MoiraA> I need to go anyway
17:32:44 <MoiraA> knackered, really just want to be in bed
17:32:51 <sbp> it's only 7:15!
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17:33:27 <sbp> @karma
17:34:04 <MoiraA> I am *that* tired
17:34:13 <sbp> that's pretty tired
17:34:42 <MoiraA> very very tired
17:34:48 <sbp> extremely tired
17:34:54 <sbp> superordinately tired!
17:34:58 <MoiraA> heh :)
17:35:01 <MoiraA> ok ok :)
17:35:07 <sbp> extravagantly and ultraencompassingly tired!!
17:35:15 <sbp> hehe
17:35:21 <MoiraA> lol what are you like?
17:35:26 <sbp> chuckle
17:35:37 <MoiraA> I'm off, I badly need rest, sleep
17:35:38 <sbp> I thought only people from Essex said that
17:35:49 <MoiraA> and me
17:35:52 <sbp> :-)
17:35:55 <sbp> c'ya
17:35:56 <_bjoern> .gc "penultimate frontier"
17:35:59 <phenny> "penultimate frontier": 245
17:36:05 <sbp> .gc "first frontier"
17:36:08 <phenny> "first frontier": 47,700
17:36:14 <MoiraA> cya
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17:36:37 <MoiraA> grrr
17:36:41 <MoiraA> nvm
17:36:52 * MoiraA is in bed now
17:37:19 <sbp> so evolutionarily speaking, though we don't tend to draw a line in the sand, presumably if we did want to draw a line in the sand there would be a first human
17:37:30 <sbp> but with whom would the first human have had sex to continue the human race?
17:37:46 <sbp> the first human would necessarily have had to have sex with an ape
17:38:01 <sbp> and only the most human-like of the children would continue the human line, presumably
17:38:07 <sbp> or it would emerge later in the other lines
17:38:10 <MoiraA> unless you believe in the creation of intelligent design
17:38:14 <MoiraA> but heh
17:38:17 <sbp> the what?
17:38:19 <MoiraA> I seriously need bed
17:38:25 <MoiraA> lol sbp
17:38:32 <sbp> good idea. have bed!
17:38:36 <MoiraA> dunno what I'm saying now
17:39:04 <_bjoern> Why, there is no need for the second human to come from the first human.
17:39:14 <sbp> I suppose not
17:39:35 <sbp> so the first human was a son of an ape and an ape, mated with apes, and may have had only ape children
17:40:18 <sbp> ironic that that would be illegal now
17:40:29 <_bjoern> Having ape children?
17:40:35 <sbp> mating with apes
17:40:47 <_bjoern> You sure that's illegal?
17:41:04 <sbp> hmm. not entirely, no
17:41:15 <_bjoern> .gc "consenting mammals"
17:41:18 <phenny> "consenting mammals": 153
17:41:35 <sbp> -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoosexuality_and_the_law
17:42:27 <sbp> “If a pig leaps on a man (in sexual excitement), it is not an offense.”
17:42:30 <sbp> — Hittite law
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17:43:29 <sbp> ah, here we go: “Some countries list laws very clearly, such as the UK, which specifically prohibits penetration of a human being by the penis of an animal, and penetration of an animal by a human's penis.”
17:44:33 <sbp> the anus too!
17:44:34 <sbp> [[[
17:44:35 <sbp> 69 Intercourse with an animal
17:44:35 <sbp> (1) A person commits an offence if—
17:44:35 <sbp> (a) he intentionally performs an act of penetration with his penis,
17:44:35 <sbp> (b) what is penetrated is the vagina or anus of a living animal, and
17:44:37 <sbp> (c) he knows that, or is reckless as to whether, that is what is penetrated.
17:44:40 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003/ukpga_20030042_en_5#pt1-pb18-l1g69
17:44:42 <_bjoern> There is assisted reproductive technology besides penis, of course.
17:45:03 <jsled> That's not 69'ing at all!
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17:45:07 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's supybot!
17:45:33 <sbp> hehe
17:45:34 <sbp> @karma
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17:46:03 <sbp> [[[
17:46:04 <sbp> 66 Exposure
17:46:04 <sbp> (1) A person commits an offence if—
17:46:04 <sbp> (a) he intentionally exposes his genitals, and
17:46:04 <sbp> (b) he intends that someone will see them and be caused alarm or distress.
17:46:05 <sbp> ]]]
17:46:36 <bancus> What if I merely intend that someone will see them and be aroused?
17:46:36 <jsled> Not "bemusement"?
17:46:49 <jsled> Perhaps "pity"?
17:47:07 <jsled> I guess fright would be distress.
17:47:18 <_bjoern> What if you do it in self-defense?
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17:49:29 <sbp> [[[
17:49:30 <sbp> (9) “Vagina” includes vulva.
17:49:38 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003/ukpga_20030042_en_5
17:50:28 * xover digs out his black turtleneck sweater and downloads the iWork `08 trial…
17:50:46 <sbp> hehe
17:51:05 <sbp> don't forget "and one more thing!"
17:51:08 * xover practices in front of mirror…
17:51:15 <xover> «*boom*»
17:51:22 <xover> «Cool.»
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17:51:52 <Monty> yo MoiraA_!
17:52:25 <sbp> words to use: price-point, starbucks, wifi, cool (you got that one), sleek, stock, successful, i$Anything, feature, upgrade, 2.0
17:53:54 <Tene> Definitely talk about the webtwenties.
17:54:01 <twe> I had to be about the webtwenties.
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17:55:40 <darobin> twe: weren't you born in the webnineties though?
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17:55:49 <sbp> @karma
17:55:52 <twe> darobin: But wouldn't it be better though to make the solution less good if it was you.
17:56:14 <darobin> it can't be both less good and me twe
17:56:22 <twe> Hmm... Well, i think twe is good to me.
17:56:58 <xover> Make phenny greet supybot with “@karma”? :-)
17:57:00 <darobin> twe: that's good, as we say in French: Charité bien ordonnée commence par soi-même.
17:57:08 <sbp> xover: yeah, I was thinking about that
17:57:10 <sbp> I'll do it!
17:57:10 <twe> darobin: As did the whore say to the commence of the community.
17:57:20 <_bjoern> We can infer that darobin is not too good to be true.
17:57:38 <darobin> I think mekano-pip has been talking with twe too much
17:57:44 <twe> Talking with you to think.
17:57:58 <darobin> that is correct, I am truth incarnate
17:58:13 <darobin> mekano-pip: hit on Monty
17:58:13 <mekano-pip> Monty: IM JUGGLINS MAH WART. KTHXBYE!
17:58:14 <Monty> tis nice now
17:58:15 <Monty> cre8radix|afk: was DOPE!!!
17:58:50 <sbp> phenny: reload devoice
17:58:53 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.devoice' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/devoice.py'> (version: 2008-01-30 19:41:26)
17:59:04 <sbp> great
17:59:09 <cre8radix|afk> lalala
17:59:15 <sbp> so phenny should be effectively destroying her competition
17:59:39 <sbp> cre8radix|afk: was DOPE!!!
17:59:49 <darobin> mekano-pip: hit on supybot
17:59:50 <mekano-pip> supybot: HOLD ON WHILE I SLIP INTO SOMETHINS LITTLE MOAR U.
18:00:06 <sbp> chuckle
18:00:08 * sbp writes that one down
18:02:27 <darobin> be sure to use it with cr`x's sister
18:02:36 <sbp> nah. she's American
18:03:19 <darobin> I think the channel wholeheartedly supports the idea of you dating an American
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18:03:44 <sbp> that's what I mean
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18:04:29 <darobin> .title http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/wicked_lights-74-0.htm
18:04:32 <phenny> darobin: The Torch
18:04:37 <darobin> aww c'mon, it'll be fun!
18:04:59 <darobin> haven't you seen Love Actually?
18:05:16 <sbp> hmm, I think I've seen that
18:05:17 <cr`x> she might be out of your league, brother man
18:05:24 <sbp> the torche, I mean; not Love Actually
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18:05:36 <phenny> @karma
18:05:41 <sbp> can't be out of my league. I say things like "torche"
18:05:57 <cr`x> torche, the not-bad doom metal band?
18:06:17 <sbp> don't let's start the whole death/doom/black thing again...
18:06:46 <darobin> .title http://youtube.com/watch?v=O4_sSXZuO2c
18:06:48 <phenny> darobin: YouTube - Love Actually - American Girls !!!
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18:11:45 <darobin> sbp: so Love Actually not convince you?
18:14:51 <xover> You're using Hugh Grant in an argument you're actually trying to win?
18:15:01 <xover> With a Brit, no less?
18:15:19 <darobin> there is no Hugh Grant in the clip above
18:15:34 <perigrin> Divine Brown ... Hugh is obviously full of love.
18:15:46 <darobin> and hey, I'm not shy of doing things the hard way
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18:17:57 <phenny> @karma
18:18:04 <darobin> heh
18:18:14 <xover> @sbp++
18:18:20 <xover> @phenny++
18:18:26 <xover> @supybot--
18:19:11 <xover> Yeah, that clip is actually nice.
18:19:36 <xover> Too bad they didn't bother taking it seriously enough to coax a half-devent job out of those actors.
18:19:41 <sbp> darobin: I haven't seen Love Actually
18:19:43 <sbp> (actually)
18:19:56 <sbp> oh, you probably wanted me to watch the YouTube video
18:20:00 <darobin> yeah, I figured, I was just talking about the little YT
18:20:05 <darobin> you don't have to
18:20:06 <sbp> instead I went to get chocolate to eat whilst I watch Zero Punctuation
18:20:09 <sbp> so I'll do that first
18:20:14 <sbp> then I will watch the YouTube video
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18:20:29 <xover> A pity, since that could have been as classic a scene as the Ford Fairlane scene in the college dorm. :-)
18:20:33 <darobin> it's just, it's about a Brit guy who's convinced that in the US all girls are hot and easy, so he really wants to go
18:20:40 <darobin> and all his mates tell him he's dreaming
18:20:46 <darobin> and he goes there anyway, and...
18:20:58 <darobin> xover: much agreed
18:21:22 * xover puts Ford Fairlane on the “Must Watch Again Soon” list…
18:23:43 <xover> .title http://youtube.com/watch?v=8kbnyY15GGc
18:23:49 <phenny> xover: YouTube - Ford Fairlane joins a Sorority
18:23:49 <xover> Classic!
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18:25:34 <sbp> so yeah, that was good
18:25:43 <sbp> watching the YouTube video now
18:27:52 <sbp> or would be if it wasn't as slow as arse to load
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18:36:23 <sbp> chuckle. Basildon
18:38:33 <_bjoern> ur a55 iz ßlow?
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18:39:00 <sbp> 4r53!!
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18:39:39 <Monty> hey __greg_
18:39:52 <_bjoern> Your underscores are out of balance.
18:40:04 <sbp> yeah __greg_. time for fixies
18:40:12 <__greg_> yeah I need to register a nick
18:40:19 <sbp> yeah. also who are you?
18:40:23 <_bjoern> .gc "fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it"
18:40:25 <phenny> "fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it": 4,830
18:40:38 <__greg_> a pythonista trying irc
18:40:56 <sbp> ah. so you're a semi-private variable at the moment
18:41:02 <sbp> but at least not a reserved variable
18:41:15 <sbp> also, is #arc about the new programming language?
18:41:28 <__greg_> it is - can you see that?
18:41:32 <sbp> I was just about to join it, and then I thought wait, it might be about the programming language
18:41:33 <sbp> yeah, I can
18:41:40 <_bjoern> .gc "Arse Relay Chat"
18:41:43 <phenny> "Arse Relay Chat": 0
18:41:43 <sbp> so I didn't join. looks like I did the right thing; thanks
18:43:27 <__greg_> arc only supports ascii at the moment - so best look away for a while
18:43:38 <sbp> more than a while
18:44:19 <procto> I'm not really sure what the point of arc is
18:44:27 <procto> I mean, I know what the point is
18:44:46 <procto> but I see no advantage of using it over anything else
18:45:40 <sbp> how much like lisp would you say it is, as a percentage?
18:46:04 <procto> I've never coded in actual lisp, just read it, but I've coded in Scheme
18:46:21 <procto> and it is >95% scheme
18:46:37 <sbp> thanks
18:46:38 <__greg_> I'd say 90% (not used lisp but read a tutorial or three)
18:46:52 <procto> as they state in their intro, it's mzscheme with whatever graham's personal perferences are
18:46:53 <sbp> was just checking just in case actually he'd done something sane
18:47:10 <procto> just read through the tutorial because haven't had time before
18:47:11 <__greg_> there are a few keyword changes but it keeps car cdr etc.
18:47:14 <sbp> I mean he goes on about Java being an evolutionary dead end
18:47:20 <sbp> which is fine
18:47:30 <sbp> but surely lisp is almost as much of an evolutionary dead end
18:47:41 <sbp> programming language for the next 100 years? pfft
18:47:42 <procto> I don't quite agree with it
18:47:51 <procto> lisp is so "pure" that it can't really be obsolete
18:48:03 <procto> I think that's what he wants Arc to be
18:48:10 <procto> it's a very clean and stripped down version
18:48:10 <sbp> it's lasted fifty only because of geek enthusiasm and niche use. same way FORTRAN has lasted roughly as long
18:48:38 <procto> not quite. If you're thinking in lisp (with some modifications), you can code up real nice stuff in many languages
18:48:51 <sbp> well then that's not anything special to lisp
18:48:52 <procto> thinking in fortran results in writing fortran, to coopot the adage
18:49:03 <procto> coopt
18:49:04 <sbp> I mean, what makes lisp characteristic of lisp isn't all that evolutionarily strong
18:49:34 <procto> basically, lisp is nearly pure lambda calculus
18:49:35 <sbp> otherwise you might as well just say "but Turing complete languages are here to stay!"
18:50:03 <procto> that's what I meant by "pure" above. So close to the "math" of things
18:50:03 <perigrin> lies
18:50:13 <sbp> yes, but it's its syntax, its functions, its way of vry deliberately using the linked list as a datastructure; that's what I think of when I think of lisp qua lisp
18:50:15 <perigrin> turing complete languages are a dead end
18:50:29 <sbp> perigrin: even perl6?
18:50:33 <procto> sbp: yes, in that case, I would agree with you wholly :>
18:50:58 <procto> sbp: my view of lisp is more scheme-like. essentially stripped down, prefix notation, very lambda calc
18:51:12 <procto> which makes it nice for things like semantics, because lambda calc is the notation you're using there anyway
18:51:16 <procto> easy to translate it into computation
18:51:18 <perigrin> sbp, yeah
18:51:23 <__greg_> with macros to write code-writing code
18:52:19 <sbp> I think Lua had the better idea, basing everything on tables
18:52:50 <__greg_> tables are good, relations are better
18:52:54 <sbp> not that Lua has caught on, because in other areas it's deficient
18:53:07 *** ndw has quit ("</norm>")
18:53:12 <perigrin> xslt ... cause it's all trees and tables are made from trees
18:53:20 <sbp> hheh
18:53:36 <sbp> h’heh
18:53:47 <procto> I had to write a bunch of xslt once
18:53:50 <procto> I hope not to have to again
18:54:08 <procto> btw, if anyone is remotely interesting in computation and corpus linguistics, I highly recommend NLTK
18:54:23 <procto> I've been going through it, and it's sweet as fuck
18:54:29 <sbp> phenny: ask patbam if he's used NLTK before
18:54:31 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when patbam is around.
18:54:34 <sbp> phenny: ask Arnia if he's used NLTK before
18:54:34 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when arnia is around.
18:54:42 <sbp> phenny: ask sbp if he's used NLTK before
18:54:42 <procto> interested*
18:54:44 <phenny> You can ask yourself that.
18:54:47 <procto> heh
18:54:51 <sbp> sbp: have you asked NLTK yet?
18:54:53 <perigrin> sbp, Io apparently is a very nice Lua++
18:54:54 <sbp> sbp: don't think so
18:55:00 <perigrin> the little I've used it it seems cute
18:55:10 <sbp> oh, I've heard about Io
18:55:23 <sbp> I... I think its author may have emailed me asking me to take a look at it, even
18:55:29 <perigrin> Ooh
18:55:51 <perigrin> you superstar you
18:55:53 <perigrin> :)
18:55:59 <sbp> heh. well, when I wrote Pluvo
18:56:05 <sdkay> perigrin: Is it... volcanic?
18:56:15 <sbp> all the language dudes come out of the woodwork when you join their club
18:56:28 <sbp> try it, it's fun!
18:56:32 <perigrin> sdkay, well concurrency is first class ... so it can erupt all over
18:56:36 <sbp> just make any old language. doesn't even have to work
18:56:59 <perigrin> I've done it
18:57:03 <perigrin> nobody cared :)
18:57:09 <sbp> what did you call your language?
18:57:21 <sbp> you have to use an Esperanto name, or a jewel. or a single letter
18:57:27 <perigrin> against my choice ... SoQL
18:57:31 <sbp> aha
18:57:51 <perigrin> cause the project we wrote it for was Soq
18:57:58 <perigrin> and it was a SQL derivative
18:58:48 <sbp> you could've called it Soqyx
18:58:55 <sbp> or Soxues
18:58:59 <sbp> or Soquesx
18:59:02 <sbp> or Soqex
18:59:09 <sbp> or even Soquxes
18:59:16 <sbp> something like that
18:59:20 <sbp> Soquezue
18:59:21 <perigrin> :)
18:59:23 <sbp> Soqueize
18:59:28 <perigrin> we weren't a very inventive bunch at the time
18:59:29 <sbp> Sueoqeze
18:59:36 <sdkay> Soqueeze?
18:59:40 <darobin> that's because you didn't ask IRC
18:59:42 <sbp> Soqueieze
18:59:45 <sbp> yeah
18:59:46 <darobin> and worse, you didn't ask sbp
18:59:47 <perigrin> darobin, this is true
18:59:50 <sbp> Soqyeue?
18:59:57 <perigrin> but you didn't tell me about #swhack back then
19:00:02 <perigrin> so really I blame you
19:00:06 <sdkay> Soquet
19:00:12 <perigrin> SoqDrawer
19:00:14 <sbp> Soqq
19:00:19 <sdkay> Pronounecd "So cute"
19:00:29 <perigrin> it wasn't really cute though
19:00:37 <sdkay> :S
19:00:39 <sbp> sdkay: did you not see, "SQL"?
19:00:39 <perigrin> you can't make an OO Declarative Language "cute"
19:00:49 <sbp> LBT!
19:00:50 <sdkay> I'm just having fun with it
19:00:53 <sbp> Little Bobble Tables
19:00:57 <sbp> er, Bobby
19:01:03 <sbp> though Bobble is pretty good too
19:01:09 <sbp> you know, that happened yesterday
19:01:12 <perigrin> Especially since it targed MySQL 3.23 as it's backend.
19:01:21 <sbp> someone was injecting raw information from the web into their SQL statements
19:01:25 <sbp> so I emailed a bug
19:01:30 <procto> what does the hamming distance of a language have to be from an existing language to be a "new language"?
19:01:31 <sbp> and I really, really wanted to mention Little Bobby Tables
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