00:00:40 <_bjoern> .gc semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence
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00:00:41 <phenny> semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence: 55
00:00:59 <zjb> .gc semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux
00:00:59 <phenny> semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux: 36
00:01:45 <_bjoern> .gc nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux
00:01:46 <phenny> nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux: 36
00:02:06 <zjb> .gc nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas
00:02:07 <phenny> nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas: 35
00:02:46 <_bjoern> .gc thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas
00:02:46 <phenny> thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas: 30
00:03:01 <zjb> .gc thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit
00:03:02 <phenny> thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit: 30
00:03:42 <_bjoern> .gc thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit twitter
00:03:43 <phenny> thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit twitter: 30
00:03:57 <zjb> .gc thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit twitter google
00:03:57 <phenny> thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit twitter google: 3
00:04:03 <zjb> OH!
00:04:28 <_bjoern> .gc thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit twitter google whack
00:04:32 <phenny> thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit twitter google whack: 3
00:04:44 <zjb> .gc thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit twitter google whack fro
00:04:45 <phenny> thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit twitter google whack fro: 3
00:05:01 <_bjoern> .gc neutralized thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit twitter google whack fro
00:05:02 <phenny> neutralized thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit twitter google whack fro: 3
00:05:18 <zjb> .gc smexy neutralized thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit twitter google whack fro
00:05:18 <phenny> smexy neutralized thermo-nuclear nostalgic semipermeable isobaric hypothetical porn hydroponics perfume propulsion honey flamethrower gnome onomatopoeia pyx ambivalence faux pas twit twitter google whack fro: 0
00:05:23 <zjb> Damn
00:05:43 <_bjoern> 1053r
00:05:47 <_bjoern> .gc 1053r
00:05:47 <phenny> 1053r: 9,580
00:05:56 <zjb> I madea 3 --> 30 though!
00:06:02 <zjb> err... arrow goes other way
00:06:16 <_bjoern> 124,000 -> 1,010 in binary no less!
00:06:49 <tobbez> the one to hit 0 loses?
00:06:56 <zjb> Oh, can we do another one, but in alphabetical order? i.e o____ porn q____ r______ etc.
00:06:57 <zjb> yup
00:07:11 <zjb> .gc porn quip
00:07:12 <phenny> porn quip: 57,300
00:07:31 <zjb> want to play?
00:07:55 <tobbez> .gc porn quip redneck
00:08:01 <phenny> porn quip redneck: 4,970
00:09:25 <zjb> _bjoern: playing?
00:11:02 <zjb> .gc oligarchy porn quip redneck
00:11:02 <phenny> oligarchy porn quip redneck: 631
00:11:25 <tobbez> .gc oligarchy porn quip redneck trend
00:11:25 <phenny> oligarchy porn quip redneck trend: 421
00:11:35 <zjb> .gc lossy oligarchy porn quip redneck trend
00:11:36 <phenny> lossy oligarchy porn quip redneck trend: 177
00:12:03 <tobbez> .gc lossy oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend
00:12:03 <phenny> lossy oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend: 81
00:12:42 <zjb> Oh, didn't note that. I imagined that you'd only use letters right next to it, so you'd have to do star first. doesn't really matter
00:12:56 <zjb> .gc lossy oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld
00:12:57 <phenny> lossy oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld: 77
00:13:06 <tobbez> just missed s at first
00:13:30 <zjb> ah :p
00:13:41 <tobbez> .gc lossy oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view
00:13:41 <phenny> lossy oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view: 77
00:15:10 <zjb> .gc lossy oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view worrywart
00:15:11 <phenny> lossy oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view worrywart: 45
00:15:14 * _bjoern not in
00:15:44 <nslater> hmm, you be playin games
00:15:48 <nslater> plum, hit on _bjoern
00:15:52 <plum> _bjoern, barnacle penis up to 30 times its own size, spiro agnew = grow a penis. wanna have cybersex?
00:15:58 <zjb> Heh
00:16:14 <zjb> is "hit on" like dahut, or is it still markovy?
00:16:33 <nslater> it's still markov but with some forced "context" and a bit of fiddling with the output
00:16:33 <Arnia> plum, hit on zjb
00:16:38 <plum> zjb, free to cyber whenever you want, u+2182 a man and a woman love each other very much. does that turn you on?
00:16:39 <Monty> "you"
00:16:43 <zjb> .title http://consumerist.com/379702/dear-dumb-ass-at-best-buy-fix-these-problems-or-i-want-my-140-back
00:16:44 <phenny> zjb: Dear Dumb Ass At Best Buy: Fix These Problems Or I Want My $140 Back
00:16:48 <zjb> its by a 11-year-old ;P
00:16:49 <zjb> Heh
00:17:00 <zjb> Good job w/ it... its scary ;P
00:17:03 <Arnia> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdlqjY5sIek
00:17:04 <phenny> Arnia: YouTube - Dirty War: Part 1
00:17:05 <nslater> haha
00:17:13 <nslater> does it turn you on?
00:17:36 <zjb> oh yeah!
00:17:45 <zjb> plum: hit on zjb
00:17:50 <plum> zjb, her boyfriend spends a lot of time in second life as a woman, because secretly youre a 50 yr old woman. can I have your msn?
00:17:59 <nslater> hehe
00:18:08 <zjb> She knows!!!
00:18:18 <zjb> tobbez, going?
00:18:50 <tobbez> thinking
00:21:06 <tobbez> hmm
00:21:07 <zjb> ...slowly
00:21:11 <zjb> are you cheating?
00:21:15 <zjb> cheating is not allowed
00:21:19 <nslater> boring game is boring
00:21:27 <nslater> filling up swhack with your nonsense
00:21:32 <nslater> bah, I miss OldSwhack ;)
00:21:37 <zjb> Its not like anyone's talking
00:21:39 <zjb> or... was...
00:21:50 <zjb> if anything, it's a convo starter
00:21:50 <tobbez> can't really think of a word starting with x
00:22:06 <zjb> then go on the other end :P
00:22:10 <nslater> nope, it was MEEEE who started the convo, me and my plummy friend
00:22:15 <plum> its when they start claiming everything is hunky-dory that we need to start worrying. its the reason i started this post.
00:22:24 <zjb> This time, yes
00:22:53 <tobbez> zjb: is that n or k? :p
00:23:15 <zjb> n..
00:24:10 <tobbez> .gc lossy nonsense oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view worrywart
00:24:11 <phenny> lossy nonsense oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view worrywart: 40
00:24:20 <nslater> what constraints are you using?
00:24:29 <zjb> Heh, I can't do the alphabet either
00:24:41 <nslater> ah.. I bet I could totally pwn you on this
00:24:45 <zjb> the initials have to form the alphabet
00:25:08 <zjb> .gc lossy nonsense oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view worrywart xylem
00:25:09 <phenny> lossy nonsense oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view worrywart xylem: 40
00:25:46 <tobbez> .gc lossy metamorphic nonsense oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view worrywart xylem
00:25:47 <phenny> lossy metamorphic nonsense oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view worrywart xylem: 39
00:26:00 <zjb> Heh. sorry about that too >_>
00:26:06 * Arnia rolls his eyes and contemplates his bed
00:26:24 * nslater wibbles and laughs
00:26:32 <zjb> .gc kumquat lossy metamorphic nonsense oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view worrywart xylem
00:26:32 <phenny> kumquat lossy metamorphic nonsense oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view worrywart xylem: 39
00:26:57 <tobbez> .gc kumquat lossy metamorphic nonsense oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view worrywart xylem yawbreaking
00:26:57 <phenny> kumquat lossy metamorphic nonsense oligarchy porn quip redneck star trend upheld view worrywart xylem yawbreaking: 0
00:27:02 <tobbez> doh
00:27:11 <zjb> FAIL
00:27:17 <zjb> Night Arnia?
00:27:34 <nslater> .tell zjb I am testing
00:27:35 <Arnia> Ja wohl
00:27:38 <cre8radix> xenophobia
00:27:41 <nslater> hmm
00:27:48 <nslater> phenny: "ja wohl"?
00:27:50 <phenny> nslater: I think it's Czech, which I can't translate.
00:28:01 <tobbez> off to bed then, night
00:28:27 <zjb> night everyone
00:28:27 <cre8radix> xylophone
00:28:32 <cre8radix> jawohl
00:28:46 <cre8radix> hrhr
00:29:03 <zjb> I though xylem was a good one D:
00:29:04 <cre8radix> phenny: "jawohl"?
00:29:05 <phenny> cre8radix: "jawohl" (de)
00:29:11 <zjb> .gc xylem
00:29:12 <phenny> xylem: 130,000
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00:29:44 <cre8radix> gn
00:36:49 <_bjoern> http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Jawohl
00:37:19 <_bjoern> .gs * jihad
00:37:20 <phenny> * jihad: of (6), purge (4), queer (3), islamic (3), word (2), sonic (2), otep (2), laskar (2), for (2), and (2), about (2)
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00:51:54 <Monty> welcome, plum
00:51:59 <plum> i have a couple phenny bots i am tinkering with also. the london underground map would be another good one.
00:52:28 <nslater> .tell Monty you have new functionality
00:52:31 <Monty> hardcore decapitates building society :(
00:52:36 <nslater> hmm..
00:52:38 <nslater> good
00:54:30 <zjb> .tell Monty he rawks
00:54:39 <Monty> thats what I’d done was referring to mark the double S, in years though) allow aversion... scents for his kid's school about potions in collections), on some leeway there
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01:01:59 <zjb> night everyone
01:02:08 <nslater> night
01:02:18 <kpreid> RepRap makes first non-RepRap-related useful object (a custom-designed adaptor, no less): http://blog.reprap.org/2008/04/ipod-in-your-ford.html
01:04:40 <chandler> plum tell the Monty sbp2002
01:04:41 <sbp2002> we've only had the good sense to use a male-oriented gender-specific suffix?
01:04:41 <Monty> morn!
01:04:43 <plum> i think that twe makes more sense than monty. lol
01:04:45 <Monty> loldemort porn puzzle pullover: 207
01:05:12 <nslater> plum, too right
01:05:15 <plum> might provide good use-cases = fail, i have had a plum as producing lolz.
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01:17:03 <BigJibby> .u 2013
01:17:03 <phenny> U+2013 EN DASH (–)
01:24:07 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp http://ptrace.fefe.de/boycott_beijing.jpg
01:24:07 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
01:24:23 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp http://ptrace.fefe.de/nazi-olympics.jpg
01:24:24 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
01:24:51 * nslater choxelles
01:25:58 <selggig> what is a choxelle?
01:25:59 <_bjoern> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=559547&in_page_id=1770
01:26:08 <nslater> .swhack choxelle
01:26:08 <_bjoern> cf chuckle
01:26:09 <phenny> nslater: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-11#T14-45-46
01:27:49 <nslater> selggig: it's a corruption of chuckle
01:28:06 <nslater> selggig: in the style of some person or whatever lol im so intelectual
01:28:38 <nslater> pls dont be asking important questions at 3am
01:30:31 * chandler herfts to the side to avoid the choxelle
01:30:56 <nslater> now, what does herft mean?
01:31:00 <nslater> Arnia never told me
01:31:28 <nslater> i need to be expanding mah swhack vocab pls
01:37:12 <chandler> .swhack herft
01:37:12 <phenny> chandler: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-13#T01-54-51
01:37:22 <chandler> hm.
01:37:30 <nslater> see
01:37:32 <nslater> ... no help
01:37:46 <chandler> a "herft" is the thing you do to avoid walking right into someone else in the hallway
01:38:05 <chandler> judicious use of google could dig that up in the logs, I think
01:38:19 <nslater> aha!
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01:39:40 <nslater> chandler: thanks!
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06:03:24 <thelsdj> wooo, 550 xmoto levels beat!
06:03:39 <aspect> jebus
06:03:44 <aspect> where did you get those from?
06:04:12 <thelsdj> you tell it to check for new levels
06:04:16 <thelsdj> there is ~1250 of them
06:04:34 <aspect> ouch
06:05:27 <_bjoern> .gc jebus porn
06:05:28 <phenny> jebus porn: 37,900
06:06:33 <thelsdj> 1249 to be exact
06:14:59 <xover> Anyone happen to know of marginally decent web forum software for Mac OS X?
06:15:23 <_bjoern> you mean one that you throw on your apache?
06:15:39 <_bjoern> any db preferences?
06:16:17 <xover> Yeah, but given they're a dime a dozen I was hoping somone had tried out something and could indicate whether it was even remotely decent.
06:17:29 <_bjoern> Last I installed on lunix/win32 was phpbb. I needed it for a presentation on cross site scripting hacks...
06:18:02 <xover> Something that's manageable for someone who thinks starting up Terminal.app and pasting in commands constitutes Deep Magic.
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06:18:49 <_bjoern> .g site:en.wikipedia.org inurl:comparison phpbb
06:18:50 <phenny> _bjoern: No results found for 'site:en.wikipedia.org inurl:comparison phpbb'.
06:18:57 <xover> Hmm. phpbb is at least a familiar name to me.
06:19:46 <_bjoern> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software
06:21:44 <thelsdj> xover: most forum software has simple installation instructions for people with just ftp access to a webhost, so shouldn't be too hard
06:22:39 <xover> Hmm. None of the tables there mention supported OS.
06:22:52 <thelsdj> thats because it usually doesn't amtter
06:23:22 <thelsdj> if its php then you just have to check whether your OS supports php, etc
06:23:30 <_bjoern> ASP/ASP.Net on MacOSX -> bad idea.
06:23:36 <thelsdj> hehe true
06:23:44 <thelsdj> though mono isn't too bad these days
06:23:48 <xover> Well, the ultimate user of this thing is a “Life Coach” and apparently not particularly capable fo Googling “web board Mac OS X”.
06:24:15 <_bjoern> .g "Life Coach"
06:24:15 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.findyourcoach.com/
06:24:37 <_bjoern> "Our mission is to assist millions of people (like you) to unravel the mysteries of themselves"
06:25:01 <xover> Unless I can find something with a decent chance of being manageable for them, I'm going to go with some vague and non-comittal advice that won't land me with permanent tech support duties. :-)
06:25:14 <_bjoern> Why amn't I life coach?
06:25:41 <thelsdj> why is this person wanting to run it on os x anyways?
06:25:55 <thelsdj> there are free forums, or you can get a very cheap web host that will install one for you
06:27:08 <_bjoern> That's not the Life Coach way.
06:27:39 <xover> thelsdj: If I show too much interest in the details I'll just get sucked into the support thing. Better not to ask! :-)
06:29:24 <_bjoern> The one board I frequent uses the commercial vBulletin now; they used the commercial UBB.threads earlier.
06:33:09 <_bjoern> DO NOT CLICK http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1149334,00.jpg
06:33:25 <xover> `k
06:34:57 <aspect> _bjoern: evil, evil man
06:42:26 * Arnia can't find any examples of a Bucks accent on the Web
06:43:08 <Arnia> Well, I can find examples of the slightly high register speech most people from Bucks adopt when they're outside the county, but not any samples of a broad dialect
06:43:45 <Arnia> Hmph. Nice to know one's most comfortable speech pattern is dying away
06:45:34 <sbp> hahaha, yikes
06:45:34 <phenny> sbp: 14 Apr 20:50Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://www.feelingusa.com/Teddies.html
06:45:35 <phenny> sbp: 14 Apr 21:33Z <nslater> tell sbp http://fontstruct.fontshop.com/
06:45:37 <phenny> sbp: 01:46Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://ptrace.fefe.de/boycott_beijing.jpg
06:45:38 <phenny> sbp: 01:46Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://ptrace.fefe.de/nazi-olympics.jpg
06:45:44 <sbp> so the first thing I do is click _bjoern's DO NOT CLICK URI
06:45:48 <sbp> but he was right
06:46:10 <xover> Fuck. You roped me into it.
06:46:50 <xover> Bastard! Making me look at pictures of our Prime Minister this early in the morning? In a tuxedo to boot? Evil, evil!
06:47:00 <sbp> wow, that Banksy work is awesome
06:48:05 <xover> Heh heh. That Nazi Olympics sign is hillarious.
06:48:09 <sbp> phenny: tell _bjoern the history of teddies? j'approve, but j'don'tunderstand. which I guess is CLASSIC YOU
06:48:09 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when _bjoern is around.
06:48:46 <sbp> hmm. I was going to change the topic to “Made in China”
06:48:55 <sbp> but then I noticed it had Hegel in it. not often we have Hegel in the topic
06:48:56 <_bjoern> I had so no idea what you crazy people call teddies.
06:48:56 <phenny> _bjoern: 07:10Z <sbp> tell _bjoern the history of teddies? j'approve, but j'don'tunderstand. which I guess is CLASSIC YOU
06:49:13 <sbp> nazi-olympics: ahahaha
06:49:24 <Arnia> I'm laughing at the Nazi Germany one too
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06:49:59 <Monty> But what does mmmmmrob have to do with the price of fish?
06:50:24 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater oddly, I can't imagine anyone ever making a decent font with that. nice principle though
06:50:24 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
06:51:21 <Arnia> Ooh, pretty topology http://www.topmod3d.org/gallery/main.php
06:51:45 <_bjoern> A font free of ascenders and descenders: rad.
06:51:58 <Arnia> sbp: I've had a play... it made me think of possible ways to make an intuitive MetaPost editior
06:52:41 <sbp> another topic contender: “THIS IS AN ERECTION OF WIN”
06:52:55 <sbp> MetaPost?
06:52:55 <_bjoern> doze?
06:53:09 <sbp> .wik MetaPost
06:53:10 <Arnia> .wik MetaPost
06:53:10 <phenny> "MetaPost refers to both a programming language and the only known interpreter of the MetaPost programming language." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaPost
06:53:12 <phenny> "MetaPost refers to both a programming language and the only known interpreter of the MetaPost programming language." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaPost
06:53:24 <Arnia> Handy definition
06:53:27 * Arnia hits phenny
06:54:26 <sbp> “only known interpreter” - heh
06:54:59 <sbp> as if some dwarves down some long orgotten secret mines in the Svalbards might be working on another one made out of COBOL and Lego
06:54:59 <Arnia> .title http://www.kerkythea.net/
06:55:01 <phenny> Arnia: Kerkythea Rendering System
06:55:15 <thelsdj> anyone read the review of that game Pathologic?
06:55:21 <thelsdj> i'm playing it now and its pretty awesome
06:55:22 <xover> Hitting phenny?
06:55:31 <xover> Hitting?! Phenny?!?
06:55:50 <xover> Hitting on, sure, tastefully; but hitting?!?!
06:55:57 <_bjoern> xover.op --lart ?
06:56:16 <_bjoern> .wik LART
06:56:16 <phenny> "a StrongARM-based single board computer" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LART
06:56:21 * xover reins himself in with an effort…
06:56:48 <sbp> “A team of European scientists has deliberately triggered electrical activity in thunderclouds for the first time by aiming high-power pulses of laser light into a thunderstorm.”
06:56:49 <sbp> - http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/04/15/007223.shtml
06:56:53 <Arnia> xover: didn't you know she was into S&M? What do you think she does with Monty when we're not chatting?
06:56:57 <Monty> syzygy: 21 to do. I'm kinda afraid of alpha, the swhack vocab pls
06:57:20 <xover> I did not see safewords exchanged in the prescribed protocol.
06:58:12 <Arnia> xover: they're very discrete
06:58:15 <sbp> aw man, Wheeler died
06:58:23 <sbp> .title http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/04/14/188227.shtml
06:58:24 <phenny> sbp: Slashdot | Physicist John A. Wheeler is Dead at 96
06:58:33 * Arnia tries for a sex/mathematics pun and fails
06:58:38 <Arnia> sbp: :(
06:59:26 <_bjoern> Hmm Kang and Kodos not running? http://www.userfriendly.org/images/siteart/cthulhucrud2008pre.png
06:59:44 <sbp> _bjoern: http://whythatsdelightful.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/feel-the-awesome/
06:59:47 <sbp> DO NOT CLICK
07:00:28 <sbp> ‘Hormone surges among City traders could be partly responsible for driving "boom and bust" economics, say researchers.’ - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7342923.stm
07:00:40 <_bjoern> sticks and stones break my bones, but none of your links, insert rhyme here.
07:01:02 <xover> Oh dear gods, it's the Special Needs Four. The Inbred Street Boys!
07:01:13 <_bjoern> they all seem familiar
07:07:21 <sbp> [[[
07:07:22 <sbp> If the car industry behaved like the computer industry
07:07:22 <sbp> over the last 30 years, a Rolls-Royce would cost $5,
07:07:22 <sbp> get 300 miles per gallon, and blow up once a year
07:07:22 <sbp> killing all passengers inside.
07:07:29 <sbp> ]]] - http://divmod.org/users/mailman.twistd/pipermail/divmod-dev/2004-April/000282.html
07:11:58 <_bjoern> http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/bildgalerie_pfalzstorch/details.php?image_id=23398
07:20:11 <Arnia> Not bad: http://www.planetside.co.uk/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=452&g2_serialNumber=4
07:29:51 <Arnia> I mean, not bad for a 3D render
07:30:40 <sbp> wow, I didn't know about RFC 4155
07:31:58 <Arnia> .g RFC 4155
07:32:00 <phenny> Arnia: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4155.txt
07:33:06 <Arnia> Oh good grief: http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-owl2-profiles-20080411/
07:33:22 <Arnia> Guess what I'll be reading this week *sighs*
07:33:46 <xover> «the email address can reflect any addressing syntax that has ever been used on any messaging system in all of history»
07:36:11 <Arnia> Including 'Bill Bryson, Author, Yorkshire Dales' ?
07:36:22 <sbp> ahaha, wow. it really does say that!
07:36:38 <sbp> the full quote:
07:36:38 <sbp> [[[
07:36:38 <sbp> For example, the email address can reflect
07:36:38 <sbp> any addressing syntax that has ever been used on any messaging system
07:36:38 <sbp> in all of history (specifically including address forms that are not
07:36:39 <sbp> compatible with Internet messages, as defined by RFC 2822 [RFC2822]).
07:36:41 <sbp> ]]]
07:38:10 <thelsdj> what about a hand-drawn map?
07:38:17 <thelsdj> isn't that a sort of addressing syntax?
07:38:20 <_bjoern> 'You are invited to "pls get back to me immediately".' - Spam?
07:38:20 <Monty> Quackenbush ftw++
07:38:29 <_bjoern> I'd kinda like to attend
07:39:11 <sbp> Monty is right. major amounts of win
07:39:13 <Monty> he'll end of creativity
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07:42:39 <Arnia> This is interesting; a visualisation toolkit based on gluing together mathematical functions on a variable set: http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~billh/visad.html
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07:44:42 <_bjoern> .gs I have not been aroused for * years.
07:44:43 <phenny> I have not been aroused for * years.: 6000 (5)
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08:20:01 <sbp> Arnia: what's the standard tool that's used for lemmatising a text these days?
08:20:11 <sbp> I mean, getting x-barish structure out of it
08:20:21 <sbp> one day I'll learn the termonologies
08:21:37 <sbp> I don't even need nested structures, really; just want to convert "John likes green cupcakes" to "John [N] likes [V] green [A] cupcakes [N]"—very simple level
08:21:44 <Arnia> sbp: uh, there is no standard really. Depends on what language you're talking about. What you want is a stemmer/tagger
08:21:53 <sbp> stemmer/tagger: thanks
08:21:54 <sbp> python
08:21:59 <Arnia> sbp: Usually people use Penn Treebank tags for English
08:22:09 <Arnia> sbp: oh NLTK then
08:22:38 <Arnia> For a cheap one, http://web.media.mit.edu/~hugo/montylingua/
08:22:42 <Monty> We must accept that irrefutable bad oxygen prefers new tarty Goldilocks...
08:22:50 * Arnia was just visiting that page oddly
08:23:18 <sbp> ooh, interesting
08:23:22 <sbp> I need a very, very cheap out
08:23:24 <sbp> er, one
08:23:55 <sbp> here's my idea: tag early modern English texts by doing a lev-distance check on each word to modernise it first
08:24:05 <Arnia> Well, Montylingua is the best bet I think
08:24:06 <sbp> I just want to proof-of-concept it really
08:24:09 <Monty> Relax! I understand for life when can go, will, and... do?
08:24:16 <Arnia> Although there are interesting statistical taggers about
08:25:31 <sbp> expand_contractions_p: nice
08:27:04 <Arnia> I'm looking for Java libraries to integrate in with my experiment
08:27:17 <Arnia> Montylingua is about the best fit for what I need
08:27:21 <Monty> You must not have a fight with butterscotch quirks.
08:27:24 <Arnia> (extraction of chunks)
08:27:51 <sbp> poor you, still working down the Java salt mines?
08:27:51 <Monty> loldemort porn: 53
08:27:57 <sbp> lazy zjb with his non-porting
08:28:15 <Arnia> sbp: yes :p
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08:29:12 <Arnia> sbp: on the plus side, OSGi does make things somewhat easier in that it allows me to decouple concerns better than plain Java does
08:29:24 * Arnia hits the burglar alarm opposite
08:29:40 <Arnia> Sorry, it went off at 6.30 and woke me up and it is still going
08:29:45 <sbp> ouch
08:29:50 <Arnia> Ah, and now it is silent
08:29:56 <sbp> that happened to me once during an exam
08:30:01 <sbp> ah, excellent. hitting it works!
08:30:15 <sbp> the invigilator was going mad trying to figure out how to turn it off
08:30:20 <Arnia> It isn't on my house... it is the house opposite my bedroom
08:30:30 <sbp> still, hitting it seems to have worked...
08:30:54 <Arnia> But it has been going off for the past week and making me cry
08:31:08 <Arnia> I'm going to head out somewhere soon which is not near the alarm
08:31:27 <sbp> can't you contact the owners?
08:32:27 <Arnia> No :(
08:32:46 <Arnia> They're students and term doesn't begin until Monday so they probably won't be back until then
08:32:56 <Arnia> The landlord I have no clue who is
08:33:00 * Arnia frowns
08:33:14 <Arnia> I seem to have lost English as a first language
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08:35:02 <Arnia> I'm waiting for Stephen to come on MSN from his office so that I can schedule an emergency meeting to get me out of here
08:35:49 <Arnia> Well, he is on MSN but his status is busy, so I don't know how long until he responds :p
08:36:44 <Arnia> Tempted to use http://alias-i.com/lingpipe/
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08:41:23 <Arnia> Worrying how much NLP stuff is written in Java actually
08:42:52 <sbp> worrying how much of *everything* is written in Java...
08:43:05 <sbp> though yeah, I suppose you'd expect NLP folk to use more naturally scripty languages
08:45:53 <Arnia> I'd expect them to use more formal languages actually
08:46:11 <Arnia> I mean there is still a lot of LISP out there... but Java? Why?
08:46:55 <Arnia> I really understand why MSR developed the Common Language Infrastructure. So many languages out there, and they're all their own walled gardens
08:47:51 <Arnia> Sometimes someone builds a ladder to get from one to another, but that is nowhere near as convenient as having a common semantic model which effectively knocks down the walls
08:49:33 <Arnia> Ooh, Unicode regexps
08:49:45 <Arnia> 'Classes for Unicode blocks and categories'
08:49:55 <sbp> where's this?
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08:50:24 <Arnia> Lingpipe
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08:59:52 <Arnia> sbp: for a use of montylingua see http://web.media.mit.edu/~hugo/publications/papers/IUI2005-metafor.pdf
08:59:53 <Monty> bowman: ping?
09:00:01 <sbp> thxies
09:00:16 <sbp> working on the levenshtein bit at the moment. it's... inefficient!
09:01:48 * sbp fixes a bug
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09:04:36 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's Talliesin!
09:05:13 <sbp> this totally doesn't work
09:05:17 <sbp> well it works about 50% of the time
09:05:22 <sbp> and blunders the other 50%
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09:18:29 <Arnia> sbp: which bit doesn't work?
09:19:17 <_bjoern> http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/bildgalerie_pfalzstorch/details.php?image_id=23404
09:19:28 <_bjoern> http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/bildgalerie_pfalzstorch/details.php?image_id=23405
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09:21:33 <Arnia> Oh, a new idea: pairs of @-rules in LOAN for describing blocks. In this case @space URIRef. terminated by @endspace
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09:21:51 <Arnia> (for pushing conceptual spaces onto the stack)
09:22:09 * nsh pushes the stack over
09:22:16 <Arnia> By default, a LOAN document would have a conceptual space with URIRef of the base
09:22:22 <Arnia> nsh: :p
09:22:38 * Arnia shuffles nsh's deitic stack
09:22:50 <nsh> but i shoopdawoop from there!
09:23:10 <nsh> the table in this article is lulpriceless: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emerging_technologies
09:23:34 <nsh> Emerging technology: Artificial Intelligence ... Things becoming less important: Human brain
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09:25:50 * nsh scores a perfect hoopla on the stems of jeffarch's f's
09:27:49 <nsh> sometimes i think the world conspires to nest is dependencies reciprically to frustrate potential progress
09:28:28 <nsh> *its
09:28:29 <Arnia> ... and that means?
09:28:38 <nsh> you can't fix something without having to fix everything else
09:28:53 <nsh> and then you get lost in enormitude of the problem
09:30:51 <nsh> like one of those interlocking wood-block puzzles where there's no way you can consecutively add blocks such that they fit snugly
09:31:06 <nsh> but have to find some tricksy way of putting them all together and twisting them into place at once
09:32:26 <nsh> you can only 'twist the entirity of human understanding at once' at the cusp surface of an immediate catastrophe in the collective unconscious, precipitated by an emerging cascade of dire environmental circumstances
09:33:02 <nsh> and "you"'ll most likely make things no better, and probably worse
09:33:59 <Arnia> That could have been phrased ten times more straightforwardly, and this is me saying this :p
09:34:12 * nsh smiles
09:35:49 <nsh> second order phase transition evolutionary catastrophism
09:35:56 * nsh goes to check on beakers
09:37:45 <Arnia> sbp: tagging stuff: http://alias-i.com/lingpipe/demos/tutorial/posTags/read-me.html
09:38:12 <Arnia> nsh: phase transition there is redundant if you're taking the mathematical meaning of catastrophe
09:40:37 * nsh nods
09:40:53 <nsh> the second usage referred to the "bebunked" theory of evolution
09:40:56 <nsh> .wik catastrophism
09:40:57 <phenny> "Catastrophism is the idea that Earth has been affected by sudden, short-lived, violent events that were sometimes worldwide in scope." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophism
09:41:38 <nsh> *debunked, even
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09:41:54 <Monty> hi danieljohnlewis, how ya doing?
09:42:01 <nsh> which is now placated into 'punctuated equilibrium'
09:43:38 <_bjoern> have 60000 files, each with a mail. want mbox file. quick and easy solution?
09:44:07 <nsh> are you doing engrish advertising on irc now, _bjoern?
09:44:14 <nsh> oh, was a question
09:44:36 <nsh> some fu with the shell
09:44:39 <_bjoern> More importantly, that was no answer.
09:45:51 <nsh> .wik Deixis
09:45:51 <phenny> "In pragmatics and linguistics, deixis (Greek: δειξις display, demonstration, or reference, the meaning 'point of reference' in contemporary linguistics having been taken over from Chrysippus, Stoica 2,65) is a process whereby words or expressions rely absolutely [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deixis
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09:51:32 <bjoern_> Note to win2k3 users: do not rename directories with 60000 files in them
09:53:35 <bjoern_> #1 on google was http://yergler.net/Maildir_to_Mbox - it's not very fast
09:56:57 <nslater> nsh: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2005/03/dont_shave_that.html
09:56:57 <phenny> nslater: 07:12Z <sbp> tell nslater oddly, I can't imagine anyone ever making a decent font with that. nice principle though
09:57:04 * nslater smiles
09:57:25 <nslater> nsh: it's called Yak Shaving, and I can't seem to avoid it
09:58:04 <nsh> sounds like internet inanity
09:58:11 <nslater> cf. http://catb.org/jargon/html/Y/yak-shaving.html
09:58:17 * nslater shudders from linking to catb
09:58:31 <nsh> ah, i see
09:59:46 <nslater> sbp: xapian has some nice language utilities, I use it for stemming particularly
09:59:49 <nsh> not quite the same phenomenon, unless shaving the yak indirectly requires a freshly waxed car :-)
10:00:30 <bjoern_> .gc maildir porn
10:00:31 <phenny> maildir porn: 13,400
10:00:49 <nsh> .gc maildir porn yak
10:00:49 <phenny> maildir porn yak: 44
10:01:10 <nslater> kinda seems smilar, where 95% of what you do is only nessesary to enable the 5% you actually require, story of my life
10:01:16 * nsh smiles
10:01:20 <bjoern_> cmon dont be shy
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10:01:34 <nsh> oh slateykins
10:01:42 <nsh> the .gc requires your nimble manipulations
10:01:45 <nslater> not playing
10:01:47 <nslater> sry
10:01:52 <nsh> because u is ponce
10:01:54 <nsh> sry
10:02:00 <nslater> omg
10:02:00 <bjoern_> .gc maildir porn yak thunderstorm
10:02:01 <phenny> maildir porn yak thunderstorm: 4
10:02:09 <nsh> .gc maildir porn yak thunderstorm engine
10:02:10 <phenny> maildir porn yak thunderstorm engine: 4
10:02:22 <bjoern_> .gc maildir porn yak thunderstorm engine obfuscator
10:02:23 <phenny> maildir porn yak thunderstorm engine obfuscator: 2
10:02:45 <nsh> .gc maildir porn yak thunderstorm engine obfuscator stringency
10:02:46 <phenny> maildir porn yak thunderstorm engine obfuscator stringency: 0
10:02:51 <nsh> NOOoooowned
10:02:58 <bjoern_> Yes.
10:04:40 <bjoern_> .gc "probieren geht auch ohne studieren"
10:04:41 <phenny> "probieren geht auch ohne studieren": 45
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10:06:16 <sbp> ooh, HIGNFY's back on Friday, 9pm!
10:06:51 <sbp> Arnia: basically it cocks up 22% of words
10:07:06 <sbp> euill becomes quill, for example, rather than evil
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10:10:26 <Arnia> ah
10:10:40 <Arnia> work on phonemes rather than graphemes?
10:11:33 <Arnia> I mean, calculate phonemic edit distance first, then somehow incorporate graphemic edit distance
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10:16:22 <_bjoern> .gc "phoneme cluster"
10:16:22 <phenny> "phoneme cluster": 749
10:16:53 <nsh> .gc "phoneme clusterbomb"
10:16:53 <phenny> "phoneme clusterbomb": 0
10:16:56 <nsh> weak
10:17:06 <nsh> a phoneme clusterbomb would be awesome
10:17:22 <_bjoern> .gcs clusterfuck clusterbomb clusterlaster
10:17:23 <Monty> potty mouth!
10:17:24 <phenny> clusterfuck (396,000), clusterbomb (255,000), clusterlaster (5)
10:24:22 * nsh kicks Monty in the cuticles
10:24:22 <Monty> Nothing that hasn't :) I get noscript xover doesn't let you speak english, don't answer, you says as root? :/
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10:41:03 <nslater> if anyone has any ideas how I would visually map the internal make DAG I would love to hear your suggestions
10:41:20 <_bjoern> .gcs "double your penis size" "triple your penis size" "quadruple your penis size"
10:41:21 <phenny> "quadruple your penis size" (293), "double your penis size" (153), "triple your penis size" (1)
10:52:24 <kpreid> Arnia: If you
10:52:54 <Arnia> If I?
10:53:04 <kpreid> Arnia: If you're going to have @space ... @endspace, please at least make sure this nesting is validated by the parser...
10:53:14 * kpreid nearly wrote "@rnia:"
10:53:23 <Arnia> Yes. I was going to :p
10:54:38 <Arnia> The reason for having those two is that @-rules which aren't recognised by a given parser should be ignored. I still want the material inside a conceptual space to be visible even if the reasoner cannot cope with spaces
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10:57:41 <kpreid> Ah, indeed
11:06:03 <kpreid> "Subject: Anonymously and qualitatively"
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11:08:46 <Monty> hey kpreid
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11:23:05 <nsh> WHERE IS THE MUUMIN OUTRAGE??!?
11:23:09 <nsh> that's what i want to know
11:23:28 <nslater> you mean the monion outrage?
11:23:37 <monion> (Thus the Urgical economy incorporation, the etymology Parameters can beans.
11:24:38 <nsh> don't you remember the muumins?
11:24:59 <nsh> (however they were spellified)
11:25:07 <nsh> .wik Moomins
11:25:07 <phenny> "The Moomins (Swedish: Mumintroll, Finnish: Muumi) are the central characters in a series of books and a comic strip by Finnish writer Tove Jansson, originally published in Swedish in Finland." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomins
11:25:14 <nsh> (Muumi in finnish)
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11:27:37 <Morbus> ,
11:27:37 <phenny> Morbus: 14 Apr 22:09Z <cre8radix> tell Morbus thelsdj: phenny tell Morbus about http://www.elementeo.com/home (probably seen it already, but didn't want you to possibly miss it) [23:18] thelsdj: phenny?
11:27:50 <Morbus> wow, this is funny.
11:28:09 <nsh> qué?
11:28:31 <Morbus> phenny, tell cre8radix you know, i ad made a game in school called "Intellectus" that was a card game about economics. I had grande designs to make one for every topic (all compatible with each other) and sell it to schools.
11:28:31 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when cre8radix is around.
11:29:24 <nsh> Morbus++
11:29:41 <Morbus> i still have the cards hanging around here somewhere in an old folder.
11:29:48 <Morbus> i should pull it out and we should totally do it! ;)
11:29:52 <nsh> yah mang
11:30:32 <nsh> might need to revisicate the name though. can't see them kid-types playing a came called intellectus
11:30:48 <nsh> perhaps, Bankrupture! Blood of poverty
11:30:53 <nsh> something along those lines
11:31:49 <nsh> but gaming the gaming-instinct for educational appropriation is a long overdue idea
11:32:42 * nsh is looking forward to the time when real-object-trading, online gaming, micro-economic currency computing and participatory science converge
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11:43:17 <nsh> .ety destitute
11:43:18 <phenny> "c.1382, from L. destitutus 'abandoned,' pp. of destituere 'forsake,' from de- 'away' + statuere 'put, place,' caus. of stare 'to stand,' from PIE base *sta- 'to stand' (see stet)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=destitute
11:48:51 <aspect> .g testitute
11:48:51 <phenny> aspect: https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2008-March/019169.html
11:48:56 <aspect> .gc testitute
11:48:57 <phenny> testitute: 338
11:58:00 <sbp> phenny: tell thelsdj <Morbus> you know, i ad made a game in school called "Intellectus" that was a card game about economics. I had grande designs to make one for every topic (all compatible with each other) and sell it to schools.
11:58:01 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when thelsdj is around.
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12:39:14 <jeffarch> aloha
12:39:27 * jeffarch guards his f stems
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13:44:52 <nsh> .ETY UMBRAGE
13:44:59 <nsh> whoa, big lettars
13:45:20 <nsh> .ety umbridge
13:45:21 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "umbridge". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=umbridge
13:45:28 <nsh> .ety umbrage
13:45:28 <phenny> "1426, 'shadow, shade,' from M.Fr. ombrage 'shade, shadow,' from L. umbraticum, neut. of umbraticus 'of or pertaining to shade,' from umbra 'shade, shadow,' from PIE base *andho- 'blind, dark' (cf. Skt. andha-, Avestan anda- 'blind, dark')." - http://etymonline.com/?term=umbrage
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13:59:16 <nslater> pls anyone in swig be helping me with rdf :p
14:00:07 * xover knocks nslater about the head for a bit…
14:00:11 <xover> HTH, HAND
14:04:13 <nslater> aghe
14:05:08 <nslater> gah, where is Arnia and sbp when you need them
14:05:16 <nslater> phenny: tell Arnia "grr"
14:05:16 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
14:05:24 <xover> Sensibly hiding, one would hope.
14:05:39 <nslater> it's actually URI design I am wanting help with :p
14:08:43 <xover> Then why in the world would you invoke the Thing That Shall Not Be Named here?
14:09:21 <nslater> because it kinda involves where the hell do I put my RDF?
14:09:49 <xover> “stuff”. “bits”. “data”. All acceptable words.
14:10:00 <nslater> hmm, no, as in, in my URI space
14:10:04 <nslater> for each resource
14:10:14 <nslater> .. so, /some/document/???
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14:10:20 <nslater> /other/document/???
14:10:27 <nslater> /omg/wtf/???
14:11:14 <xover> Also; sbp will agonize for hours over categorization, and end up telling you to go for one big flat namespace. Arnia will launch into a three hour expostulation of high theoretical considerations. And I will interject with a marginally relevant rant on some topic or other. You will be left even more confused then when you asked.
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14:11:33 <xover> Now say thank you for the pain I just spared you.
14:11:37 <xover> :-)
14:11:46 <nslater> well, sounds like I need to speak to sbp ;)
14:12:23 <xover> Don't say I didn't give you fair warning!
14:12:33 <nslater> heh heh
14:12:51 <xover> For amusement value you might want to ask _bjoern about it.
14:13:03 <nslater> _bjoern: pls be tellin me about rdf URI nomenclature
14:15:34 <nslater> plum, RDF? URIs? Nomenclature? SemWeb? WTF!
14:15:44 <plum> ha, we are getting through them uris today. is it not possible to extract meaning that way before throwing the rdf and extract meaning that way before throwing the rdf and extract meaning that way before throwing the rdf and extract meaning from that without exporting rdf directly?
14:15:58 <nslater> wow, plumfail
14:16:01 <plum> rdf was designed by a plum remember, i think rdf in total should be discarded. haha
14:16:08 <nslater> bwhaha
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14:22:11 <nslater> phenny: tell sbp that phenny should send attempt to conneg HTML as she currently fails at extracting the title from my homepage
14:22:11 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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14:42:11 <Morbus> http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/blue-jeans-strikes-back
14:42:11 <Morbus> heh
14:43:31 <sbp> nslater: yo
14:43:31 <phenny> sbp: 14:44Z <nslater> tell sbp that phenny should send attempt to conneg HTML as she currently fails at extracting the title from my homepage
14:43:54 <sbp> is there a decent, small, python conneg module?
14:48:19 <nslater> sbp: just setting the Accept header to text/html might do the trick
14:48:27 <nslater> .title http://bytesexual.org/about/
14:48:28 <phenny> nslater: Document isn't HTML
14:49:06 <sbp> oh yeah
14:49:13 <nslater> or text/html,*/* etc
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14:49:27 <nslater> prolly wanna put a q val on the last one though
14:49:57 <nslater> dunno, just copy firefox's accept header and remove the image stuff
14:54:30 <xover> Morbus: That's utter awsomeness!
14:54:37 <xover> @KurtDenke++
14:54:52 <Morbus> aye! i had a grin reading it,
14:54:54 <Morbus> .
14:55:02 <nslater> sbp: is it okay to conneg between html and xml/rdf for an IR? if not, [citation needed] (I am digging my way through all the old links you sent me but havn't found anything yet)
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15:02:03 <xover> nslater: You have no idea of the pain you just invited here!
15:02:41 <nslater> I want either a "yes" or a "no, see [uri]" - but I suspect I will either get nothing or far far to much ;)
15:03:29 <xover> You'll get a pointer to a mailinglist search on lists.w3.org; that is, if you're lucky. If your luck is bad he may decide to discuss it for you.
15:03:39 <nslater> heh
15:03:55 <nslater> unless someone answers me I am going to make up my own answer: yes
15:04:05 <xover> I entirely approve!
15:04:24 <nslater> heh
15:04:39 <xover> See? This is what you should have done in the first place. Figure out what makes sense, and do that.
15:05:09 <nslater> yes... agreed :)
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15:23:24 <sbp> nslater: oh dear. well there are two factions for this matter
15:23:41 <nslater> okay, I am all ears
15:23:52 <sbp> nslater: one holds to the principle that you can (generally represented by people like danbri, I think), and one holds to the principle that you can't (generally represented by timbl)
15:24:04 <sbp> but since I no longer believe in using RDF, I shall not discuss it further
15:24:18 <nslater> hmm, you're contradicting your self
15:24:20 <sbp> the answer is moot since RDF should not be used
15:24:52 <nslater> you previously stated (paraphrased) that RDF can be useful but it's not the be-all and end-all, or maybe that was Arnia
15:25:16 <sbp> that was Arnia. having said that, I do agree technologically, but not socially
15:25:27 <sbp> I don't think it's a good idea to make any effect that would end up with more people using RDF
15:25:40 <nslater> so what do you think I should do instead?
15:25:47 <sbp> where Arnia uses RDF, he does that in ways which doesn't contribute to the Semantic-Web stacky blahpot
15:25:54 <sbp> I don't know what you're doing
15:25:55 <nslater> lolcakes
15:26:06 <nslater> just trying to build my personal website
15:26:22 <sbp> okay. but what's the specific problem?
15:26:53 <sbp> (note that in some few cases, where RDF is the right thing to use and there is no alternative, it becomes a purely political matter: like, say, using Linux rather than Windows even when a program you need exists only on Windows)
15:26:58 <nslater> there is no problem, but I want a way to be able to have a metadata "view" that shows me the publication time, copyright info, author, alternative formats, licencing etc
15:27:16 <nslater> let me get you a good example
15:27:21 <sbp> thanks
15:27:23 <nslater> someone is doing something very similar
15:27:45 <nslater> http://silkpage.markupware.com/about/index.html
15:27:47 <nslater> http://silkpage.markupware.com/about/index.html.rdf.xml
15:27:53 <nslater> ^^ compare, how nice is that?
15:28:13 <nslater> I want to do that same, but better, natch
15:28:29 <sbp> hmm, it won't load for me yet
15:28:39 <nslater> it's pretty snappy for me
15:28:55 <nslater> when it DOES load, those two URIs should give you my ENTIRE use case
15:29:01 <nslater> which is pretty gosh darn handy
15:29:37 <sbp> still not loading
15:30:06 <nslater> PRESS REFRESH
15:30:46 <sbp> still not loading...
15:31:01 <nslater> GRR, WHAT ARE YOU USING? 24BAUD?
15:35:08 <sbp> it's not the speed. it can't connect to the server
15:35:21 <nslater> hmm... well it works for me, dunno what to suggest
15:35:25 <sbp> put them somewhere on your site temporarily?
15:35:53 <nslater> ARGH
15:36:55 <sbp> what, has it gone down for you now too? :-)
15:37:06 <nslater> >:@
15:37:16 <nslater> stupid internets
15:37:33 <sbp> heh, heh
15:37:48 <sbp> well, just explain in words what you're trying to do
15:37:51 <sbp> the old fashioned way
15:38:06 <nslater> no no, you know how bad I am at explaining things
15:38:12 <sbp> I don't understand
15:38:18 * nslater slaps sbp
15:38:21 <sbp> hehe
15:39:23 <nslater> okay... I am mirroring it
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15:40:43 <nslater> okay...
15:40:46 <nslater> http://bytesexual.org/silk/+html
15:40:49 <nslater> http://bytesexual.org/silk/+xml
15:41:32 <nslater> ^^ I want to do this on my site and I want the software I am working on to do this automatically.
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15:44:04 <sbp> ah. why do you want the RDF? who do you expect will consume it, and why?
15:45:43 <nslater> I expect that Google, Yahoo and other crawlers will spider it and parse the Creative Commons info, I expect that other agents might parse the Dublin Core information, heck I might even write a scutter my self one day. But the most important thing is that I want this information available but not cluttering up the main page.
15:46:08 <sbp> Google and Yahoo support Creative Commons searches? really?
15:46:23 <sbp> and, moreover, RDF discovery of CC resources?
15:46:35 <sbp> what other agents do you refer to that parse the DC information?
15:46:38 <nslater> yes, did you not know that?
15:46:44 <sbp> nope. got a reference?
15:46:52 <nslater> I can give you a dedicate search engine!
15:47:04 <nslater> http://search.creativecommons.org/
15:47:24 <nslater> cf. http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcSearch
15:48:24 <nslater> I am sure that with the move to parse CC information it seems like a natural step to start parsing things as prolific as dublin core
15:48:47 <sbp> ah, for HTML it supports @rel="license"
15:49:37 <nslater> well, what is "it"?
15:49:47 <nslater> there are six agents I count on that interface along
15:49:49 <nslater> e
15:50:02 <nslater> who knows which ones are or are not using RDF
15:50:21 <nslater> well, flickr isnt for sure, but google and yahoo are not so easy
15:50:31 <sbp> Google
15:50:43 <nslater> reference?
15:50:54 <sbp> I just searched for site:inamidst.com *
15:51:06 <sbp> and it brought up pages whose CC indications were via @rel
15:51:41 <nslater> do you have pages with similar statements in RDF?
15:51:51 <nslater> and what's to say they wont start parsing RDF?
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16:16:06 <nslater> .title http://openphotovr.org/#a69
16:16:06 <nslater> wow
16:16:08 <phenny> nslater: OpenPhotoVR - photo albums with 3D transitions
16:23:00 <sbp> similar statements in RDF: nope
16:23:08 <sbp> would be interesting to see if it does support RDF
16:23:20 <sbp> lemme know if you find out for sure
16:23:43 <sbp> as I say, I don't disjustify its technical use all the time
16:23:54 <sbp> but I do disjustify its social use, at the moment
16:24:08 <sbp> it would require a considerable amount of change before I start championing it again
16:25:34 * sbp notes, for the record:
16:25:39 <sbp> * http://inamidst.com/list/proj/?rdf - metadata for directories
16:25:47 <sbp> * http://inamidst.com/proj/meta/ - metadata for files
16:33:10 <nsh> wait
16:33:18 <nsh> what was the codeword for if we're speaking under duress?
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16:33:26 <nslater> badger
16:33:34 <nsh> that could pose a problem
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16:33:57 <nsh> if badgers ever took me hostage
16:34:02 <nsh> which i don't think is entirely unlikely
16:34:05 <xover> The badgers made me do it.
16:34:05 <Monty> I doubt anyone saying 'formal, machine processable account
16:34:17 <nsh> Monty, yeah that does sound pretty dubious
16:34:20 <Monty> You want to act rather like mild David Coulthard!
16:34:20 <nslater> yes
16:34:25 <nslater> Monty has a good idea
16:34:26 <Monty> pat for how elves masturbate?
16:34:33 <nslater> now, how to work that into a sentence?
16:35:02 <nslater> Monty: elves masturbate with plums!
16:35:04 <Monty> both theories and Google should send to severe
16:35:07 <plum> google reader now shows how obscure the feeds you are subscribed to are, well i take it they changed how things worked a plum.
16:36:14 <sbp> ooh, a duress codeword
16:36:16 <sbp> good idea!
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16:37:13 <xover> .t
16:37:13 <phenny> Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:00:01 GMT
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16:39:25 * xover proposes “semweb”…
16:39:29 <nslater> lolcakes
16:41:45 <nsh> sbp, we should many many codewords and an intricate system for lulzinating them
16:42:02 <nslater> .g lulzinate
16:42:03 <phenny> nslater: http://www.flixster.com/forums/topic/771133812?page=6
16:42:24 <nslater> "I will lulzinate you!"
16:42:37 <nslater> "btw, meet PedoBear"
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16:54:33 <thelsdj> oh fuck yea!
16:54:33 <phenny> thelsdj: 12:20Z <sbp> tell thelsdj <Morbus> you know, i ad made a game in school called "Intellectus" that was a card game about economics. I had grande designs to make one for every topic (all compatible with each other) and sell it to schools.
16:54:44 <thelsdj> http://www.seattleopera.org/tickets/ring/index.aspx
16:55:01 <thelsdj> so totally going to plan on going to that
16:55:11 <thelsdj> its around my birthday too!
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17:16:20 <Arnia> Well, got most of the experiment harness written
17:16:20 <phenny> Arnia: 14:27Z <nslater> tell Arnia "grr"
17:16:35 <Arnia> Just got to write the actual experiment implementation now
17:16:40 * Arnia rolls his eyes
17:16:41 <sbp> what's the experiment?
17:17:01 <Arnia> Testing NARS against simple keyword search in tagging systems
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17:17:26 <Arnia> Basically, showing that NARS can infer relevant tags using both induction and abduction
17:17:53 <Arnia> The simple keyword search is the control
17:18:03 <nslater> Arnia: I actually had a question for you but you were away, not just being random ;)
17:18:15 <Arnia> Yes, I saw
17:18:29 <Arnia> Oh, and I had another idea for another addition to NARS: fractional reserve reasoning
17:22:41 <Arnia> This is for when I add an attention focus process to the system... essentially, a concept can 'lend' a proportion of its activation to another concept for a limited time with the proviso that any such activation is returned by the deadline
17:23:18 <Arnia> This allows the system to deliberately, and temporarily, focus attention on a particular concept in order to break a rut
17:24:08 <Arnia> Since the beneficiary concept can then lend out a proportion again, it allows a revokable drill-down spread
17:25:09 <Arnia> The fact that a concept only gives up a fraction of activation means that such chains won't allow activation to jump around arbitrarily; it must spread
17:26:32 <Arnia> The intuition is that the system can follow a 'conscious' train of thought when something goes awry to eliminate live-locks in the reasoning process (where activation spreads too thinly, or average reasoning confidence drops too low)
17:34:43 * Arnia is done
17:34:46 * Arnia falls asleep
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17:48:34 <thelsdj> is it just me or is pogrom the new cool word? seems like i never saw it used out of its normal context but in the past few months i've seen quite a few non standard usages (mostly for comedy or word-play)
17:49:23 <Arnia> Lexical attention seeking?
17:52:02 <procto> pogrom for comedy?
17:54:34 * Arnia slaughters the bots
17:54:47 <Arnia> Monty: you're first
17:54:47 <Monty> Does it please you to believe I am first ?
17:54:55 <Arnia> Yes, oh yes it does
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18:01:16 <Arnia> .title http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zVPfTlpCKaw
18:01:17 <phenny> Arnia: YouTube - Typolution
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18:53:08 <zjb> Hey everyone
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18:55:41 <cre8radix> ;ahoi
18:55:41 <phenny> cre8radix: 11:51Z <Morbus> tell cre8radix you know, i ad made a game in school called "Intellectus" that was a card game about economics. I had grande designs to make one for every topic (all compatible with each other) and sell it to schools.
18:56:52 <cre8radix> Morbus: and what happened?
19:09:11 <sbp> .u a ring
19:09:12 <phenny> U+067C ARABIC LETTER TEH WITH RING (ټ)
19:09:16 <sbp> .u small a ring
19:09:16 <phenny> U+00E5 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE (å)
19:09:22 <zjb> "--> Smoothice (Smoothice@AC865D64.ipt.aol.com) has joined #linux | <Smoothice> Is there any free versions of UNIX?"
19:09:28 <zjb> http://www.bash.org/?75224
19:09:39 <xover> å?
19:09:42 <sbp> å
19:09:53 <sbp> å is for Elegård
19:09:55 <xover> You need a Norwegian keyboard.
19:09:58 <sbp> yeah...
19:10:28 <xover> “å” in Norwegian, BTW, functions like the interjection “Oh” does in English.
19:10:53 <xover> So…
19:10:56 <xover> Å?
19:16:37 <xover> .wik Discourse marker
19:16:38 <phenny> "In linguistics, a discourse marker is a word or phrase that marks a boundary in a discourse, typically as part of a dialogue." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_marker
19:16:39 <Monty> woot!
19:18:47 <xover> .wik Speech disfluency
19:18:48 <phenny> "Speech disfluencies are any of various breaks, irregularities, or utterances that are often not consistent with any specific grammatical construction and occur within the flow of otherwise fluent speech." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_disfluency
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19:21:44 <Arnia> sbp: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ejweI0EQpX8
19:21:48 <Arnia> .title
19:21:49 <phenny> Arnia: YouTube - Who's on First? Typography
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19:25:00 <Monty> howdy, nwalsh_
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20:01:15 <Arnia> An ode to Futura (with this level of font geekiness we should invite them to Swhack): http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v7eLOevo7fs
20:03:17 <zjb> heh
20:10:19 * Arnia looks up yet more kinetic typography
20:12:26 <Arnia> I have entry 42 though
20:12:30 <Arnia> Which makes me happy
20:12:44 <Arnia> (how come no one posted a random entry when it hit 41?)
20:17:48 <sbp> because probably an idiot posted 41
20:18:40 <sbp> ah, no. it was kpreid
20:18:49 <sbp> I was hoping it would be someone I didn't like. oh well
20:19:11 <sbp> looking at it, nobody that I dislike has posted to swhacker
20:19:18 <sbp> which I guess should've been somewhat obvious
20:22:38 <Arnia> Trebuchet MS! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wC8o1koyKY8
20:28:22 <Arnia> This guy *really* loves Trebuchet... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ij6uzZc7GHM
20:30:38 <kpreid> I'd rather watch a video about a guy who really loves trebuchets
20:31:16 <zjb> heh
20:31:32 <zjb> I'd rather look at something interesting
20:31:36 <Arnia> :p
20:31:42 * Arnia hugs his typography
20:31:59 <zjb> Oh, typography is awesome, just Trebuchet MS... there's better...
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20:35:30 <Arnia> zjb: Trebuchet isn't a bad font. There are a few places I'd use it in anger
20:39:07 * zjb hugs his Geneva
20:52:31 <Arnia> I've just been challenged to do a piece of kinetic typography :/
20:52:53 <zjb> kinetic? as in moving?
20:53:42 <Arnia> Yes
20:53:48 <zjb> Hmm
20:53:53 <Arnia> Like the sort of stuff I've been showing
20:54:05 <Arnia> Oh, this one is good by the way
20:54:07 <Arnia> .title http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dBDf9TntzAE
20:54:08 <phenny> Arnia: YouTube - V For Vendetta Motion Graphics
20:54:14 <zjb> Oohh, I was thinking a font with moving elements
21:05:53 <Arnia> Nah... type design in motion
21:06:30 <Arnia> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8bkzIoW-9aA
21:06:38 <Arnia> Multitouch typography... hm
21:07:36 <Arnia> I think this one is the best so far though
21:07:37 <Arnia> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki6rcXvUWP0
21:10:26 <procto> Monty: moo
21:10:27 <Monty> Right...
21:10:34 <procto> Monty: did you become an Eliza?
21:10:38 <Monty> kinetic? as of mathematical meaning that page is there a three players
21:10:50 <procto> oh good, I was worried for a moment there, monty
21:10:56 <Monty> Argh! This *is a neurone's weighting, so it's five worst punchline, from Gk., 'not, without,' related but lols
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22:05:59 <_bjoern> .c 2*(sqrt(473) + sqrt(63))
22:06:00 <phenny> 2 * (sqrt(473) + sqrt(63)) = 59.3716342
22:06:21 <_bjoern> .c 2km*(sqrt(473) + sqrt(63)) over 5km/h
22:06:22 <phenny> ((2 km) * (sqrt(473) + sqrt(63))) over (5 km/h) = 11.8743268 hours
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22:26:57 <Arnia> "Red Wine Music is a Web-based music composition environment for people who want to create music through computer interaction and learn the basics of enology (winemaking)."
22:28:19 <tonybaloney867> hmmm?
22:28:38 * tonybaloney867 checks it out
22:36:52 <thelsdj> Arnia: are you just making shit up?
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22:38:01 * tonybaloney867 just found an amplifier company that makes battery-powered audio equipment to avoid AC
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22:41:20 <Arnia> thelsdj: See http://jmusic.ci.qut.edu.au/applications.html
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22:50:57 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/14/AR2008041402988_pf.html
22:50:57 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
22:51:11 <_bjoern> yo slavezombie, welcome to swhack.
22:51:22 <_bjoern> don't say anything you don't want to have not logged.
22:52:58 <thelsdj> i love cock
22:53:02 <thelsdj> oh wait, i got confused
22:59:26 <procto> _bjoern: that sounds very tame compared to what it's usually like in israel and other countries around the world
23:00:05 <procto> _bjoern: usually american playground stuff seem to be more about psychological torture, whereas in Israel physical damage and pain were much more common
23:00:26 <slavezombie> thx Bjoern
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23:04:40 <slavezombie> Monty: Howdy partner
23:04:42 <Monty> WTF, Celebrity Rap Superstar
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23:10:22 <Arnia> Bloody wifi
23:15:33 <slavezombie> .google how can liven my cubicle?
23:15:47 <zjb> .g how can liven my cubicle?
23:15:48 <phenny> zjb: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/608529/tales_from_the_gofer_farm_liven_up.html
23:15:58 <zjb> ;-)
23:20:49 <BigJibby> .g bloodless wifi
23:20:49 <phenny> BigJibby: http://www.myspace.com/bloodlesscooties
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23:34:25 <zjb> Wait, WTF? Did people see the Comcast + Bittorrent story!?
23:34:32 <zjb> .title http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080415-comcast-to-spearhead-creation-of-p2p-bill-of-rights.html
23:34:32 <phenny> zjb: Comcast to spearhead creation of P2P Bill of Rights
23:36:06 <Arnia> huh
23:37:15 <_bjoern> .gc mitternachts porn
23:37:15 <phenny> mitternachts porn: 286
23:37:22 <_bjoern> pwnd
23:38:25 <_bjoern> Happy Birthday Pope!
23:38:31 <_bjoern> We are Pope!
23:38:40 <_bjoern> So Happy Birthday Us!
23:41:43 <zjb> What?
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23:51:00 <slavezombie> .cp scruple
23:51:01 <phenny> slavezombie: .cp has been replaced by .u
23:51:27 <slavezombie> .u scruple
23:51:27 <phenny> U+2108 SCRUPLE (℈)
