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00:23:32 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's jeffarch_!
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00:23:57 <kpreid> jef far ch
00:24:54 <jeffarch> reloha
00:25:19 <chandler> 'k, pre-id
00:26:28 <jeffarch> ch and ler
00:34:16 <zjb> If anyone has a penchant for 3D puzzles (as in, not jigsaw, but those weird things that you have to put together in the correct way or whatever), check this out. http://blog.ponoko.com/2008/04/08/the-ponoko-10-day-puzzle-design-challenge/ if you start now, its 25 days, actually
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00:39:53 <zjb> Why does Chanserv do that? its maddening spam!
00:40:19 <Arnia> zjb: pot, kettle, black
00:40:31 <zjb> Hrm...?
00:46:00 <kpreid> zjb: ChanServ access levels say Arnia should be voiced. phenny notices this and tells ChanServ to devoice Arnia
00:46:15 <zjb> heh
00:46:42 <kpreid> there's no way to tell ChanServ that this user has more access but should not also be voiced
00:53:20 <chandler> sure there is. set the level for AUTOVOICE to OFF
00:54:51 <kpreid> then we wouldn't get the bots voiced. ...
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00:55:07 <kpreid> phenny: tell sbp why not have phenny voice the bots instead of ChanServ?
00:55:09 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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01:04:33 <zjb> Ah, makes sense now
01:08:34 <Arnia> Remember though, we don't have the channel owner
01:08:44 <zjb> Yup
01:08:54 <zjb> so you guys can do damage control?
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01:36:28 <nslater> zjb: I think Arnia was saying that you are maddening spam
01:36:31 * nslater laughs
01:37:01 <nslater> phenny: tell sbp hellos
01:37:01 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
01:43:10 <slavezombie> gc: cubicle
01:43:19 <slavezombie> gc. cubicle
01:44:08 <nslater> .gc hellos
01:44:09 <phenny> hellos: 989,000
01:45:29 <slavezombie> nslater: oh yeah
01:45:44 <slavezombie> .gc cubicle
01:45:45 <phenny> cubicle: 6,180,000
01:47:21 <slavezombie> .rate yoropen
01:47:26 <phenny> "yoropen": 95.64% (749 rocks; 633 rules; 46 sucks; 17 blows)
02:05:00 <slavezombie> The new symbol for the Euro reminds me of a scruple for dyslexics
02:05:16 <Arnia> New symbol?
02:05:27 <slavezombie> .u euro
02:05:28 <phenny> U+20AC EURO SIGN (€)
02:06:06 <slavezombie> .u franc
02:06:06 <phenny> U+20A3 FRENCH FRANC SIGN (₣)
02:06:24 <slavezombie> .u deutchmark
02:06:25 <phenny> slavezombie: Sorry, no results for 'deutchmark'.
02:06:34 <slavezombie> .u deutchmarc
02:06:35 <phenny> slavezombie: Sorry, no results for 'deutchmarc'.
02:07:20 <slavezombie> anria: I dunno if that's a good thing or a bad thing (supybot)
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02:10:37 <Monty> welcome, clsn
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02:20:44 <procto> .c ╪
02:20:46 <phenny> procto: Sorry, no result.
02:20:51 <procto> phenny: help
02:20:51 <phenny> procto: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see http://inamidst.com/phenny/ for more general details. My owner is sbp.
02:20:55 <procto> .uc ╪
02:21:14 <tonybaloney867> phenny: help
02:21:14 <Monty> Wow, yeah, you're saying?
02:21:15 <phenny> tonybaloney867: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see http://inamidst.com/phenny/ for more general details. My owner is sbp.
02:22:01 <procto> phenny: list
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02:36:32 <slavezombie> monty: Did you ever feel that society is most concerned about the masses being able to add, rather than their capability to read at an escalated rate
02:36:33 <Monty> You're not really talking about me... are you ?
02:37:19 <slavezombie> Monty: You betcha. It's been years since I've spoken to a real AI
02:37:21 <Monty> weird. they're trying for code
02:43:59 <tonybaloney867> Monty: Should I tell my boss at work to not bother with the 486-based server or to let him figure it out on his own when report processing grinds to a near-halt?
02:44:02 <Monty> pastry is dripping and Danish...?
02:46:57 <tonybaloney867> Monty: Well, that sounds really delicious but you should know by now that I'm on a diet.
02:47:00 <Monty> why does xmllint to read that... I ammused more
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03:00:03 <slavezombie> phenny: You sound kinda sexy. Do you wear glasses?
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03:08:26 <Monty> Thank goodness, BigJibby is back!
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03:15:59 <slavezombie> .u hachiman
03:16:00 <phenny> slavezombie: Sorry, no results for 'hachiman'.
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03:25:58 <slavezombie> eel: bed time story
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03:38:10 <slavezombie> dahut: codex
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03:52:49 <slavezombie> phenny: look for the codex marked "gospel of judas escariat"
03:53:43 <slavezombie> .g judas iscariot
03:53:44 <phenny> slavezombie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_Iscariot
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03:57:28 <slavezombie> .dahut judas iscariot
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05:14:04 <xover> .title http://www.reason.com/news/show/125449.html
05:14:04 <phenny> xover: Reason Magazine - Guilty Before Proven Innocent
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06:41:57 <sbp> yo
06:41:57 <phenny> sbp: 15 Apr 23:13Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/14/AR2008041402988_pf.html
06:41:59 <phenny> sbp: 01:18Z <kpreid> tell sbp why not have phenny voice the bots instead of ChanServ?
06:42:00 <phenny> sbp: 02:00Z <nslater> tell sbp hellos
06:44:50 <_bjoern> Bon dia
06:44:53 <xover> .gc "In this day and age"
06:44:54 <phenny> "In this day and age": 4,140,000
06:45:06 <sbp> buendiddlyo dididdlyo!
06:45:07 <xover> .gc "protect our children"
06:45:08 <phenny> "protect our children": 683,000
06:45:11 <xover> .gc "protect the children"
06:45:12 <phenny> "protect the children": 212,000
06:45:14 <xover> .gc "protect children"
06:45:15 <phenny> "protect children": 1,860,000
06:45:22 <sbp> xover: GCS OMG
06:45:28 <xover> NO!
06:45:31 <sbp> NU
06:46:58 <aspect> .gcs "children from *"
06:46:59 <phenny> "children from *" (11,800,000)
06:47:12 * aspect phenny help
06:47:19 <_bjoern> .gs children from *
06:47:20 <phenny> children from *: birth (11), the (5), tobacco (4), secondhand (4), polygamist (4), sexual abuse (3), polygamous (3), pillayan (3), malaria (3), immigrant (3)
06:47:46 <xover> Yes, I think we definitely need to put more resources into protecting chidren from being born.
06:47:48 <_bjoern> gcs is "multiple gc-s" I'd think
06:47:49 <aspect> I have to do something about typing /me when I mean /ms. it's really poor form, and sometimes extremely awkward.
06:48:16 <_bjoern> .gs protect children from *
06:48:17 <phenny> protect children from *: poisoning (7), predators (4), pesticides (4), victimization (3), unlicensed (3), trafficking (3), pedophilic (3), paedophiles (3), maltreatment (3)
06:48:25 <aspect> .gs * children from polygamist
06:48:26 <phenny> * children from polygamist: 401 (2)
06:48:38 <_bjoern> .g 401 children from polygamist
06:48:38 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/07/texas.ranch/index.html
06:48:51 <aspect> texas.ranch ey
06:49:52 <xover> .gc "Texas Ranch"
06:49:52 <phenny> "Texas Ranch": 395,000
06:49:58 <xover> .gs Texas *
06:49:59 <phenny> Texas *: department (8), am (8), medical (4), and (4), state (3), rollergirls (3), lottery (3), history (3), comptroller (3), college (3), city (3), at (3)
06:50:24 <xover> Rollergirls and Comptrollers indeed.
06:50:30 <aspect> .gs texas am *
06:50:31 <phenny> texas am *: aggies (8), coir (4), assoc (4), malacol (3), cc (3), univeristy (2), un1vers1ty (2), sweatshirt (2), qatar (2), mineral (2), j epidemiol (2)
06:50:50 <aspect> .g texas am qatar
06:50:51 <phenny> aspect: http://www.qatar.tamu.edu/
06:53:00 <_bjoern> "Exception messages for mscorlib.dll are no longer shipped with the main Silverlight runtime. Instead, they are shipped with the Silverlight Software Development Kit (SDK). This change enables the Silverlight runtime to be smaller." - yes, finally rid of those damn helpful text strings.
06:53:29 <_bjoern> I'm sure they took up 2 or more kb even
07:03:24 <_bjoern> need video of Super Mario Brothers 3, World 7, the last castle
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07:24:19 <sbp> .gc "hapax dislegomena"
07:24:26 <phenny> "hapax dislegomena": 116
07:24:38 <_bjoern> .gc hapax dislegomena porn
07:24:38 <phenny> hapax dislegomena porn: 0
07:26:19 <aspect> sbp: thanks! I'd forgotten about those
07:27:02 <aspect> and I didn't know about the dis-
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07:27:32 <Monty> But what does libby have to do with the price of fish?
07:30:04 <sbp> .u dotless i
07:30:05 <phenny> U+0131 LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I (ı)
07:30:05 <Monty> "you"
07:30:27 <_bjoern> Monty pwns sbp. Again!
07:30:28 <Monty> "hapax dislegomena": 116
07:31:20 <xover> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/14/one-nation-under-cct.html
07:31:21 <phenny> xover: ONE NATION UNDER CCTV graffito in London - Boing Boing
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08:58:51 <sbp> .c 1 - (1 / phi)
08:58:52 <phenny> 1 - (1 / the golden ratio) = 0.381966011
08:58:57 <sbp> .c 1 / phi
08:58:58 <phenny> 1 / the golden ratio = 0.618033989
09:08:15 <_bjoern> My mail provider tends to reject mails from me to myself if they go over a third, forwarding, mail address, because it insists that mail with certain From: addresses can only be delivered from certain hosts. Why is it then that mailing list traffic is not rejected in the same manner? Am I missing something obvious?
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09:16:55 <_bjoern> Is there any good software that allows me to configure some imap store and it will provide nntp access to it?
09:22:10 <_bjoern> .c 200 over 55000
09:22:11 <phenny> 200 over 55 000 = 0.00363636364
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09:48:59 <Monty> howdy, Arnia_
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10:02:18 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's nsh!
10:02:32 <nsh> .gs can't stop the signal *
10:02:33 <phenny> can't stop the signal *: dexscotland (3), cards4life (3), screenings (2), profile enthusiast (2), mal (2), - scott genetik (2)
10:06:00 <nsh> "killed me with a sword. how weird is that"
10:19:59 <nsh> .calc today - 3rd march in days
10:20:00 <phenny> nsh: Sorry, can't calculate that.
10:20:04 <nsh> then you fail
10:25:01 <_bjoern> I do note that #swhack answered neither of my good questions.
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10:26:31 <_bjoern> phenny, "Salve non conosco l'ingese ne troppo bene il fracese perciò questo programma non è per me! Salutations agrè"?
10:26:41 <phenny> _bjoern: "blank i do not know the ingese of it too much the fracese therefore this program is not well for me! salutations agrè" (it)
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10:45:13 <cre8radix> .calc 10 GBP in Euro
10:45:13 <phenny> cre8radix: Sorry, can't calculate that.
10:45:17 <cre8radix> .calc 10 GBP in Euros
10:45:17 <phenny> cre8radix: Sorry, can't calculate that.
10:45:28 <cre8radix> O_o
10:50:32 <_bjoern> You have to use .c now
10:50:56 <_bjoern> .c 10 GBP in Euros
10:50:56 <phenny> 10 British pounds = 12.4286976 Euros
10:52:18 <cre8radix> thx
10:52:49 <_bjoern> .g ocremix "Battle with Gilgamesh"
10:52:50 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.ocremix.org/song/id/968/
10:53:41 <_bjoern> hmm it's from Project Majestic Mix then
10:54:33 <_bjoern> hmm OpenGIS KML Encoding Standard
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11:08:24 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's jlaiv!
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11:11:34 <Monty> hi Jonashdsf, how ya doing?
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11:35:07 <_bjoern> Hmm IMAP SEARCH HEADER ... only works for me if the value is an exact match, but the rfc seems to say it's a contains() search
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11:51:31 <_bjoern> .val http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302965
11:51:33 <_bjoern> .v http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302965
11:51:34 <phenny> _bjoern: .v has been replaced by .val
11:51:38 <phenny> _bjoern: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302965 is Invalid (40 errors)
11:51:45 <_bjoern> the layout seems new
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12:00:59 <_bjoern> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008Apr/0031.html
12:02:02 <sbp> .title
12:02:03 <phenny> sbp: i like your concepts! from duzid on 2008-04-04 (semantic-web@w3.org from April 2008)
12:02:09 <sbp> see also http://www.nabble.com/i-like-your-concepts!-to16491416.html#a16491416
12:05:49 <_bjoern> hmm or maybe it's the client not waiting long enough
12:07:25 <nslater> sbp: lolcakes
12:07:45 <nslater> ... I remember getting that email and thinking "lolwtf"
12:10:43 <_bjoern> there we go. What a silly idea to abort imap searches when they take longer than 30 seconds by default.
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12:29:37 <Monty> hey Sprengelmeyer
12:31:11 <Sprengelmeyer> Oh hey
12:31:23 <Sprengelmeyer> Im re-writing my pyirclib to support multiple socket connections :)
12:31:42 <Sprengelmeyer> For fun, naturally.
12:33:31 <nslater> heh
12:35:31 <sbp> awesome name of the day: Gemmeke De Jongh
12:38:00 * nsh just saved himself 70 euros
12:38:06 <sbp> oh?
12:38:21 <sbp> http://www.nhk.or.jp/professional/mogi_moja.html
12:38:28 <nsh> by updating his genetics textbook using 1s and 0s instead of inks and pulp
12:38:32 <nslater> .title
12:38:33 <phenny> nslater: NHK "MOJA-MOGI" by Yugo Nakamura
12:40:57 <sbp> .title http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2008/04/brand_dilution.html
12:41:00 <phenny> sbp: Charlie's Diary: Brand Dilution
12:53:04 <nsh> Real time collaborative note-taking for lectures
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13:05:36 <_bjoern> Nothing for those among us who hate collaboration, note-taking, lectures, and real-time action.
13:05:53 <_bjoern> Reality should be round-based.
13:13:33 <nslater> .title http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/maverick-academic-philip-zimbardo-says-we-are-all-capable-of-evil-is-he-right-789161.html
13:13:34 <phenny> nslater: Maverick academic Philip Zimbardo says we are all capable of evil. Is he right? - People, News - The Independent
13:13:40 <nslater> very very interesting article
13:16:58 <_bjoern> "Outrageous enemies such as secret organizations aiming to dominate the world and mysterious strongest fighting forces attack Lina and Naga one after another for legendary "treasure" lying in a village in which Elves used to live. In addition, an immortal monster not affected by attacking magic appears and drive Lina and Naga into a terrible pinch. What they should do?" - imdb
13:18:11 <_bjoern> .wik Slaves On Dope
13:18:12 <phenny> "Slaves on Dope was a Canadian nu metal band, based out of Los Angeles, California." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaves_On_Dope
13:18:20 <_bjoern> .wik nu metal
13:18:20 <phenny> "Nu metal, also known as new metal or nü metal, is a musical genre that emerged in the mid 1990s which fuses influences from grunge[1]| and alternative metal with funk music, hip hop and various heavy metal genres, such as thrash metal and groove metal." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal
13:25:59 <Talliesin> Nü Metal is rare amongst metal in using diaeresis correctly :)
13:26:15 <Talliesin> Rather than "heavy metal umlauts"
13:30:13 <Sprengelmeyer> .wik The Mars Volta
13:30:14 <phenny> "The Mars Volta is an American Progressive rock group founded by Cedric Bixler-Zavala and Omar Rodríguez-López in 2001." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mars_Volta
13:30:20 <Sprengelmeyer> >:)
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13:51:00 <sbp> <_bjoern> Reality should be round-based.
13:51:04 <sbp> rather than square based?
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13:52:29 <clsn> Wow. Age-old problem solved by Japanese ingenuity. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj_HzQSWKBQ
13:52:44 <clsn> (tho actually there are people whose traditions won't allow it. Oh well.)
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14:05:53 <sbp> okay, here's a question
14:06:08 <sbp> obvious idea: boobs for the fridge
14:06:13 <sbp> could make a fortune, but!
14:06:14 <nslater> why?
14:06:23 <sbp> it needs a name. I was thinking Froobs, but apparently it's taken
14:06:28 <nslater> when I want boobs, I usually want them attached to something else
14:06:41 <sbp> as if you can have an overplus
14:07:11 <nslater> hmm, maybe
14:07:17 <nslater> ... how realistic are you thinking?
14:07:37 <nslater> would them come with optional brasserie?
14:07:41 <nslater> oops
14:07:52 <nslater> lol... wrong word, but that would be cool also
14:08:04 <nslater> boobs that serve beer
14:08:23 <sbp> clsn: that's the context of that?
14:08:36 <sbp> boobs that serve beer! oh man
14:08:50 <sbp> beerbs
14:09:01 <nslater> yeah, you could sqeeze them and fill up another glass
14:09:08 <nslater> we should totally do this
14:09:18 <sbp> this is indeed a must. a fortune, I tells ya!
14:09:35 <sbp> I was thinking they should just be like huuuge magnets
14:09:42 <sbp> but I guess that isn't all that cost efficient
14:09:59 <sbp> if the material was light enough, you could have just a few well placed magnets
14:10:42 <nslater> No match for "BEERBS.COM".
14:10:42 <nslater> >>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:33:17 UTC <<<
14:10:43 <nslater> zomg
14:13:28 <clsn> Neodymium-Iron-Boron magnets are wicked strong and small.
14:13:58 <clsn> sbp: some have a tradition not to eat Matzo on passover which has become wet even after baking. Thank god I don't have that tradition.
14:14:39 * nslater loves matzo
14:14:39 <nslater> om nom nom nom
14:14:50 <clsn> Apparently it's popular in Israel at passover-time among the Arab population. Just because it's a change of pace.
14:15:09 <nslater> have you ever had any?
14:15:12 <nslater> omg it's so nice
14:15:24 <clsn> And conversely sometimes non-observant Jews wind up going shopping in the Arab villages since it's hard to find bread in Jewish stores.
14:15:51 <clsn> Dude, I'm Orthodox Joo. Starting this weekend I'm going to be eating more of it than humans should have to suffer through in a lifetime.
14:15:57 <nslater> "Bread was often a symbol of salvation in ancient Israel. This is related to the idea that the Garden of Eden was fertile with bread trees." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matzah
14:16:33 <nslater> clsn: no idea, im jewish in blood only, but have sampled my fair share of jewish traditions :p
14:16:34 <clsn> And if you like it so much, it is in my mind that you haven't generally had the *real* stuff. Though that isn't true; my son loves it and I know what he eats.
14:16:41 <nslater> (I had) no idea...
14:16:45 <clsn> Heh
14:17:16 <nslater> hmm, what's the name of the matzo in the blue boxes you can get in the UK?
14:17:24 <nslater> also, WTF BREAD TREES!?
14:17:55 <clsn> Mostly a matter that they make "egg matzah" and things like that, which are much more flavorful than the plain flour-n-water ones.
14:18:00 <clsn> Ever have the handmade stuff?
14:18:12 <clsn> My wife particularly likes the handmade.
14:18:40 <nslater> http://www.rakusens.co.uk/Matzo%206.jpg
14:18:50 <nslater> ^^ that looks familiar, it's been a few years
14:19:09 <nslater> very nice with butter and cheese
14:19:23 <nslater> also, BREAD TREES!!
14:19:45 <clsn> I know Rakusen's makes "proper" kosher-for-passover matzah, but this may or may not be it. Many brands have more than one style.
14:19:50 <nslater> do Jewish/Chrisitan people really believe in bread trees?
14:19:56 <clsn> BREAD TREES from what???
14:20:02 <nslater> 15:39 < nslater> "Bread was often a symbol of salvation in ancient Israel. This is related to the idea that the Garden of Eden was fertile with bread trees." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matzah
14:20:10 <nslater> BREAD TREES!
14:20:14 <clsn> Silly boy. Bread doesn't grow on trees. Pasta does.
14:20:20 <clsn> OK, that's a new one on me...
14:20:31 <nslater> that's pretty far out
14:20:45 <clsn> Though there are breadFRUIT trees, which don't taste much like bread.
14:21:04 <clsn> I once saw a video showing the Italian spaghetti harvest.... :)
14:21:16 <clsn> .g spaghetti harvest
14:21:17 <phenny> clsn: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Swiss_Spaghetti_Harvest/
14:21:23 <nslater> the context of that quote implies that Jewish tradition believes in bread trees
14:21:32 <nslater> as in, actual loafs of bread
14:21:43 <nslater> which is the most ammusing thing I have read all day
14:21:51 <clsn> Well, it isn't a tradition I've heard of. I'm pretty well-versed in aspects of the tradition, but hey, I haven't heard of everything.
14:22:11 <nslater> "The benediction over bread was, “motsi lechem min ha’arets,” meaning, “brings forth bread from the earth.” This implies “that in the future He will bring forth bread from the earth,” or the paradise of the Garden of Eden will be restored."
14:22:20 <clsn> Huh???
14:22:25 <nslater> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matzah
14:22:46 <nslater> you couldn't make this stuff up :p
14:23:09 <clsn> The benediction is indeed "brings forth bread from the earth"; I assumed that this was a reference to the fact that flour is grown from the ground. And the only reason it's more poetic than "creates fruit of trees" is because of the importance of bread in the diet.
14:23:40 <nslater> nah, it's clearly about those bread trees, the loafs are really good in early may ;)
14:24:08 <clsn> And of course if bread DID grow on trees this would open a whole huge can of worms... What blessing do you say on it? Are you obligated for the full grace-after-meals afterwards? How much of it counts as a full serving?
14:24:19 <nslater> ha!
14:24:29 <clsn> You think I'm kidding; they would TOTALLY have these arguments in a split-instant if the situation arose.
14:24:39 <nslater> oh, no, I don't, that's why I laughed
14:24:45 <clsn> Right. :)
14:24:57 <clsn> http://web.meson.org/religion/j-intro.php I think...
14:25:28 <clsn> Nope.
14:25:33 <clsn> http://web.meson.org/religion/j-background.php
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14:29:23 <nslater> do people actually read from torah scrolls? they seem awfully impractical
14:31:35 <clsn> On Sabbath and holidays, for rituals involving reading from the scrolls, nothing else will do. For ordinary study, no.
14:32:14 <nslater> sure, I suppose at /some/ point they were used for study
14:32:20 <nslater> I wonder why in scroll form
14:32:31 <nslater> perhaps more practical given some external set of conditions
14:33:10 <clsn> Possibly. More likely, when the laws were put together, that WAS the form they had. The codex hadn't yet been invented.
14:33:26 <clsn> The Talmud talks about it; by then they had books. But the scroll was still primary.
14:33:57 <nslater> [[[
14:33:58 <nslater> In 2000 Edward de Bono advised a U.K Foreign Office committee that the Arab-Israeli conflict might be due, in part, to low levels of zinc found in people who eat unleavened bread, a known side-effect of which is aggression. He suggested shipping out jars of Marmite to compensate. [1]
14:34:04 <nslater> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unleavened_bread
14:34:08 <nslater> ... weird
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14:35:42 <clsn> That's astoundingly stupid. Unleavened bread is hardly a major component of the diet year-round.
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14:37:01 <nslater> I liked the idea to send Marmite, wtf.
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14:48:12 <shtoom> hi is sbp around ?
14:48:40 <nslater> shtoom: ping him :)
14:50:26 <shtoom> nslater:Destination Host Unreachable ;)
14:50:42 <nslater> heh
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15:45:56 <sbp> shtoom: yo
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15:51:56 <Monty> hey mmmmmrob
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16:00:52 <slavezombie> Hello
16:01:04 <sbp> woah, bread trees. cool
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16:02:22 <Monty> yo kpreid!
16:02:34 <slavezombie> Shall we attempt to hash out another page to the great American screenplay?
16:02:52 <sbp> yes! let's
16:03:04 <sbp> but first you'll have to explain what the arse you're going on about
16:03:11 <nsh> no wait
16:03:16 <nsh> explain in DRAMA
16:03:21 <sbp> ooh, agreed
16:03:26 <sbp> Act I, Scene i
16:03:34 <sbp> [slavezombie enters from behind an arras]
16:03:41 <slavezombie> OK, but we could be here all day.
16:03:43 <sbp> Sbp: Proceed, or hold your peace!
16:03:51 <nsh> *hitchcock zoom*
16:04:00 <sbp> Sbp: Explain thee thyself in drama, for goodness' sake!
16:04:26 <sbp> (you can contemporise the schnizzle out of it if you wantz)
16:04:54 <slavezombie> .ety arras
16:04:54 <phenny> "1397, from Anglo-Norm. draps d'arras, from Arras, city in France where pictured tapestries were made, from L. Atrebates, name of as tribe of the Belgae." - http://etymonline.com/?term=arras
16:05:16 <nsh> [music changes slowly from elevator muzak, through gregorian chantcore to white-noise-modulated western whisling]
16:05:39 <nsh> .ety whistle
16:05:39 <phenny> "O.E. hwistlian, from P.Gmc. *khwis-, of imitative origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=whistle
16:05:44 <nsh> wtf
16:05:59 <nsh> QUIT MAKING UP ONOMATOPOEIAS
16:06:52 * nsh goes a shopping
16:06:58 <nsh> [dramatic exit]
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16:07:14 <sbp> Act I, Scene ii
16:07:23 <slavezombie> I has can't find my desktop.
16:07:27 <sbp> [people standing around wondering where nsh went, even though he told them. SHOPPING]
16:07:47 <sbp> slavezombie: who *are* you, and why are you here?
16:07:51 <sbp> did you some in looking for phenny help?
16:08:00 <sbp> did you get the phenny help you needed?
16:09:02 <slavezombie> Yes. I was being serious. I haven't been on an IRC since my AOL account was cancelled back in 2003.
16:12:34 <sbp> okay dokey
16:12:40 <sbp> so why are you still here?
16:12:44 <sbp> do you need further phenny help?
16:14:40 <slavezombie> Yes, absolutely. At least until I finish a rough draft of this ms I'm talking about.
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16:16:14 <sbp> alrighty
16:16:21 <slavezombie> I hope that's okay. I'm often perplexed by the journalistic news quality some movies end up emulating
16:16:38 <sbp> ...you're not one for context, are you?
16:16:53 <sbp> for what purpose are you writing this ms?
16:17:04 <sbp> why are you talking about movies? what does it have to do with the ms?
16:17:11 <sbp> and what do the movie and the ms have to do with phenny, broadly?
16:17:25 <sbp> *also* there's the whole drama thing that you were talking about
16:17:28 <sbp> which is still unexplained
16:18:49 <slavezombie> .ety context
16:18:49 <phenny> "1432, from L. contextus 'a joining together,' orig. pp. of contexere 'to weave together,' from com- 'together' + textere 'to weave' (see texture)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=context
16:19:25 <slavezombie> No, I guess context is too new for me.
16:19:57 <slavezombie> The screenplay is my preferred style of expression.
16:20:10 <slavezombie> I live in Hlwd. Everyone talks this way.
16:21:34 <slavezombie> I'm stuck in a rut working a day job and phenny might want to get some free publicity out of my box office hit.
16:23:21 * bancus smells troll.
16:24:55 <slavezombie> If I said I was a student enrolled in an invisible college, would that explain drama?
16:25:13 <bancus> No, it would just make more questions.
16:25:23 <bancus> So I suggest that you don't.
16:25:40 <shtoom> sbp: Hi there are a couple of nominations on the orkut python group and couple of spam posts as well
16:25:52 <sbp> phenny... might... er
16:25:57 <sbp> shtoom: ooh, thanks!
16:26:21 <shtoom> I got 3 nominations :D
16:26:21 <sbp> you live in Hollywood and you're writing a screenplay and you want to use phenny to help get you some publicity once your screenplay sells and becomes a box office hit?
16:26:30 <sbp> shtoom: I WILL CHECK THIS
16:26:35 <sbp> to Orkut!
16:27:11 <shtoom> sbp:I need to leave now I'll be travelling to night, good bye !
16:27:14 <sbp> deleting the spam
16:27:21 <sbp> shtoom: okey dokey, c'ya!
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16:28:46 <slavezombie> In a nutshell. I live in Hollyweird. I write/draw storyboards and when phenny becomes famous, it will be because people saw it used in my film.
16:30:19 <sbp> welp, I don't think I can complain about any of that
16:30:26 <sbp> you have my full approval
16:30:45 <slavezombie> It means a lot to me.
16:30:51 <slavezombie> Yes it does
16:30:54 <sbp> though I have to say, any film that uses phenny in it is going to be... that's gonna be a weird film!
16:31:32 <sbp> ooh, you know who you should cast to play phenny?
16:31:46 <bancus> An inanimate carbon rod?
16:31:50 <sbp> yes!
16:31:54 <slavezombie> I wonder where the name phenny came from
16:32:11 <sbp> it's some kind of amalgamation of phenomic and Fenny, as in Fenchurch, from HHG
16:32:17 <bancus> It's a deliberate misspelling of fanny. (Which means something quite different in the UK, mind you.)
16:32:19 <sbp> or something like that
16:32:29 <sbp> aw, I obliviated bancus's joke
16:32:35 <bancus> Jerk. :-P
16:32:36 <sbp> or he obliviated mine. you just can't tell
16:32:44 <ndw> Heh. That's what I've always imagined. The Fenchurch reference I mean :-)
16:33:30 <sbp> whoo. ndw wins cookie-points
16:34:00 <slavezombie> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanny
16:34:14 <sbp> funnily enough, I think I read somewhere that the Fenchurch anecdote actually happened at Paddington
16:34:20 <sbp> or maybe it was Marylebone
16:35:01 <sbp> woah
16:35:03 <sbp> referrer: [tree diagram where the goose fits into the classsification sustem]
16:35:45 <bancus> .gc tree diagram where the goatse fits into the classification system
16:35:47 <phenny> tree diagram where the goatse fits into the classification system: 63
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16:40:28 <bancus> Xgyn.p co ip.ay
16:40:33 <bancus> What the shit.
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17:05:58 <nsh_> how can i turn the following into a tastytasty meal:
17:06:08 <nsh_> beef strips, uncooked
17:06:17 <nsh_> onions, carrots
17:06:18 <nsh_> stock cubes
17:06:40 <nsh_> basil, oregano, pepper
17:06:47 <nsh_> and rice
17:07:00 <nsh_> CHALLENGE START NOW!
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17:16:19 <sbp> eat the stock cubes
17:16:22 <sbp> throw the rest away
17:16:28 <sbp> tastyyum
17:16:50 <sbp> I suppose if I had to make a nice meal out of that I'd do a stir fry
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17:28:32 <jeffarch> type ingredients into google will getcha recipes
17:29:06 <nsh_> but, that's what people are for
17:29:34 <jeffarch> am thinking they aren't google-generated recipes ;p
17:30:12 <nsh_> i doubt however, that whoever did generate them will be there to answer stupid questions
17:30:27 <nsh_> and as most recipes are written for people who tend to cook
17:30:32 <nsh_> there will be questions
17:33:04 <jeffarch> sbp's stir fry suggestion sounds good, tho
17:34:13 * nsh_ nods
17:34:35 <nsh_> i just threw the beef, onion, carrot, herb and spice into a pot, put a lid on it and put it in oven
17:34:43 <nsh_> debating whether to add some canned tomato
17:36:55 <jeffarch> some liquid would prolly be a good thing
17:38:32 <nsh_> mm
17:41:19 * nsh_ makes some gravy and covers the meat with that
17:45:18 <jeffarch> liquid in with the baking stuff will help so it doesn't dry out
17:45:35 <jeffarch> and will double as sauce
17:48:05 * nsh_ nods
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17:48:26 <nsh> definitely liquinated now
17:48:32 <nsh> not sure if adding the tomato was a good idea or not
17:48:34 <nsh> but we'll see
17:48:52 <jeffarch> gotta love chemistry experiments ;)
17:50:34 <nsh> aye
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18:06:00 <nslater> boy do I hate #python
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18:22:16 <zjb> nslater: why?
18:23:30 <nslater> many reasons, why don't you join and look at the first two words of the topic for an indication why I might think that they take them selves too seriously
18:23:52 <zjb> heh
18:23:59 <nslater> did you see it?
18:24:01 <zjb> Yup
18:24:06 <zjb> what's the channel w/ no emotes?
18:24:12 <nslater> well, that sums it up for me
18:24:26 <nslater> omg irs is srs bsns
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18:40:41 <clsn> nslater: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Swiss_Spaghetti_Harvest/
18:41:37 <nslater> clsn: hehe, nice
18:42:02 <MoiraA> hello
18:42:36 <clsn> I knew I'd seen something about it.
18:42:53 * clsn prints out boarding pass. Off to Florida tomorrow.
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18:43:40 <MoiraA> clsn: how nice
18:43:48 * MoiraA is off to London next Wednesday
18:44:00 <MoiraA> not *quite* as glamorous
18:44:13 <MoiraA> especially as I'll have to land at terminal 5 probably :(
18:44:23 <MoiraA> still, I'm not paying for it which is always nicer
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18:46:30 <clsn> The whole family is descending on my brother's place for Passover.
18:46:48 <clsn> My parents are paying so I suppose that's nicer in the same way, for me.
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19:19:05 <MoiraA> when's passover clsn?
19:19:18 <MoiraA> lucky you, going to Florida
19:20:35 <clsn> Passover starts Saturday night.
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19:24:44 <MoiraA> oh well, hope you have fun
19:29:01 <clsn> Should be interesting, one way or another... :) Lots of family all together for a while. Dangerous, perhaps, but certainly interesting. :)
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19:40:16 <Monty> it's nsh!
19:40:31 <nsh> nu'uh
19:46:45 <MoiraA> yes clsn, lots of family together is often a two edged sword :)
19:46:57 <nslater> [[[
19:47:01 <nslater> Ian Hickson: I have removed SVG support from the HTML parser specification as per your request. (I have left MathML support in the specification.) Hat tip: Shelley Powers.
19:47:04 <nslater> ]]] - http://intertwingly.net/blog/2008/04/15/HTML5-SVG
19:48:47 <sbp> ARGH GET IT AWAY
19:48:59 <nslater> pls qualify "it"
19:49:24 <sbp> <QUALIFIED>IT</QUALIFIED>
19:49:39 <sbp> ARGH NOW YOU MADE ME XML
19:49:45 <nslater> lol
19:49:59 * Arnia blinks
19:50:03 <nslater> interesting comments on that post
19:51:09 <clsn> Ah... And we know whatthe problem is with a two-edged sword.
19:51:13 <clsn> It takes twice as long to sharpen.
19:51:53 <zjb> .c 4.5 * 15
19:51:53 <phenny> 4.5 * 15 = 67.5
20:01:40 <MoiraA> lol clsn
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20:12:04 <Arnia> Trying to persuade Hickson to allow @profile?
20:12:15 <Arnia> But that would weaken his control over the spec :p
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20:13:23 * nslater smiles
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20:31:41 <_bjoern> .c 40 bit in byte
20:31:41 <phenny> 40 bit = 5 byte
20:31:51 <_bjoern> .c 104 bit in byte
20:31:52 <phenny> 104 bit = 13 byte
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20:40:39 * nsh_ chuckles
20:41:02 <nsh_> Horizon episode from 1980 == Svin
20:41:59 <nsh_> It's like there was this new thing called a computer and someone found out you could make sound with it
20:42:04 <nsh_> and just went fucking nuts
20:42:24 <nslater> COMPUTERS CAN MAKE SOUND NOW?
20:42:36 <nsh_> and then there's the first line: "These symbols belong to the world's most ancient science - arsetrology"
20:42:50 <nsh_> no lies, that's how words were actually pronounced in 1980 RP
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20:43:37 <nslater> even if it was astrology, calling it science imediately indicates what kind of ignorance you're listening to
20:45:10 * nsh_ smiles
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20:45:49 <Arnia> Ah yes, because ancient people should have rejected it immediately
20:46:05 <Arnia> You owe scientific method on this historical process, you little ingrate
20:46:06 <nsh> it's like sometimes, i don't even have to say stuff
20:46:14 <nsh> and it all works out okay anyway
20:47:07 <nsh> :-)
20:47:45 <nsh> man, the pronounciation of "superstition" is spot on, however. "Syewpersstishon"
20:47:56 * nsh wishes he was a 1980 bbc presenter
20:48:12 <nsh> it was a simpler time, it was a better time
20:48:22 <Arnia> It was the height of the cold war...
20:48:23 * nslater wishes he was a 1980's Open University maths's presenter, with the tweed and the elbow patches
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20:49:01 * Arnia wishes he lived in the late 18th century so that he could push the world away from the current philosophical mess
20:49:40 <Arnia> We don't get what we wish for however
20:49:41 <nsh> .wik Abel mathematician
20:49:43 <phenny> "Niels Henrik Abel (August 5, 1802–April 6, 1829), was a noted Norwegian mathematician." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Henrik_Abel
20:49:50 * Arnia commutes nsh
20:49:57 <nsh> yeah, late 18th century oughta do it
20:50:01 * nsh smiles
20:50:35 <Arnia> I might have to go back a few more decades to really stop the Enlightenment from going down this silly blind alley
20:50:57 <nsh> did you ever hear the story about the little boy and the zen master?
20:51:03 <Arnia> (is it a blind alley if it takes 300 years to find out it was blind?)
20:51:06 <nsh> i think he fell off his bike or something
20:51:12 <nsh> indeed
20:51:42 <nsh> water always solves a maze
20:52:00 <nsh> but the individual molecules never know what's a dead-end and what's not
20:52:16 <Arnia> nsh: not far from my approach to planning in uncertain environments :p
20:52:27 <nsh> right on, baby
20:52:40 <nsh> i've been thinking about fluid dynamic modelling of population genetics
20:52:46 <Arnia> ok...
20:52:59 <Arnia> Have you got your laminar flow on?
20:53:06 * Arnia tries to make that sound as dirty as possible
20:53:12 <nsh> and the total time shapes of solitonic speciation
20:53:16 <nsh> *time-shapes
20:53:20 * nsh smiles
20:53:47 <Arnia> How is speciation like a soliton?
20:54:09 <Arnia> What fluid dynamical properties does it share?
20:54:27 <nsh> a species is a superposition of nonlinear subspecial allelic combinations
20:54:38 <nsh> which by themselves would spread out under dispersion effects
20:54:55 <nsh> but maintain cohesion by gamete synthesis
20:55:12 <nsh> or something, i forget the right words
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20:55:31 <Arnia> Yeah, but that mechanism is nothing like what causes solitons to maintain cohesion, is it?
20:56:07 <nsh> the stuff in my imagination isn't always in very close correspondence with reality
20:56:27 <Arnia> ah
20:56:28 <nsh> i tend to gloss over details when i get a nice mental picture from an idea :-)
20:56:30 <Arnia> Fair enough
20:56:54 <nsh> .wik soliton
20:56:54 <phenny> "In mathematics and physics, a soliton is a self-reinforcing solitary wave (a wave packet or pulse) that maintains its shape while it travels at constant speed; solitons are caused by a cancellation of nonlinear and dispersive effects in the medium. ('Dispersive [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliton
20:57:27 * nsh suspects his the analogy is tenable, if his explanation wasn't
20:58:35 <Arnia> hm. Maybe at the level of a breeding group rather than an individual
20:58:43 <nsh> oh sure
20:58:51 <nsh> that's why i said population
20:58:53 <Arnia> You can't talk about a soliton in terms of its individual particles for example
20:59:01 * nsh nods
20:59:05 <Arnia> nsh: yeah, but you then mentioned gamete synthesis
20:59:22 <Arnia> I think it is more to do with total species population and the local breeding groups
20:59:35 <nsh> i wasn't sure about those two words
20:59:37 <Arnia> So you keep species as a species by local cancellations
20:59:41 <nsh> right
20:59:46 <nsh> that's what i was aiming at
20:59:52 <Arnia> ok, now I can visualise it and I agree
20:59:58 <nsh> have to remember that i'm studying genetics in a language i don't really speak :-)
20:59:59 <Arnia> Danke
21:00:07 <nsh> np'al
21:01:04 <nsh> anyway, i think the same understanding can be applied to the cohesiveness of a reasoning system, or a consensus mechanism in group reasoning
21:01:30 <nsh> the individual wavelets are divergent by themselves, but their nonlinear interactions lead to autopoiesis of the total time-shape
21:01:43 <Arnia> ok... autopoiesis?
21:02:02 <nsh> self-creation in greek
21:02:14 <Arnia> Ah, yes... see that now
21:02:36 <Arnia> (weird how the brain forms a syllable pattern and breaks the ability to translate)
21:02:40 <nsh> yeah..
21:02:54 <nsh> so, the relative predictiveness of different submodels within the system will trade-off momenta between them
21:03:02 <Arnia> I don't think this applies at the level of a single reasoning system... even one like NARS
21:03:13 <nsh> which in an optimally weighted situation would prevent divergence
21:03:16 <nsh> mmm, perhaps
21:03:23 <nsh> i originally thought of it only in the group context
21:03:29 <Arnia> At least... not in anything like the same fashion as the group
21:03:34 * nsh nods
21:03:42 <Arnia> What I will say however is that the brain is more than just one reasoning system
21:03:47 <nsh> aye
21:04:16 <Arnia> It is lots and lots of them (far above the neural level incidentally) which have grown up to solve particular tasks quickly
21:04:31 <Arnia> (Baldwin effect abounds too)
21:04:53 <nsh> i also think the self-referenciality aspect is very neglected too
21:04:58 <nsh> .wik Baldwin effect
21:04:58 <phenny> "The Baldwin effect, also known as Baldwinian evolution or ontogenic evolution, is an early evolutionary theory put forward in 1896 in a paper 'A New Factor in Evolution' by American psychologist James Mark Baldwin which proposes a mechanism for specific selection for [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_effect
21:05:26 * Arnia really needs to draw a diagram of the Generalised Cognitive Architecture mark IX
21:05:39 <Arnia> before it shifts into mark X :p
21:05:58 * nsh smiles
21:06:24 <nsh> I remembered a nice Batesonism today, "the unit of selection is properly the organism PLUS environment"
21:06:25 <Arnia> (the GCA is what I call my current synthetic understanding of cognition... I revise it when I have a major change of understanding or approach)
21:06:35 <nsh> right on
21:07:20 <Arnia> It helps me keep track of things to give it a name, and it is mostly a visually rich thing anyway
21:07:42 <Arnia> (plus haptic... many abstracts have haptic associations to me)
21:07:53 <nsh> sounds nice
21:07:58 <nsh> i don't even have visualisation
21:08:09 <nsh> my mental image of a house consists of the letter's h o u s e
21:08:22 <nsh> *letters, and that's a bit glib, but i don't really see much
21:08:46 <Arnia> ah
21:09:17 <Arnia> I can't imagine how to think without visualisation; as I'm sure you can't imagine how to think except through words
21:09:29 <nsh> heh, ironically
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21:09:40 <nsh> all my life i've had trouble believing that people believe they think in words
21:09:46 <nsh> as i almost exclusively don't
21:09:50 <nsh> except in rehersal
21:09:59 <Arnia> How do you think then?
21:10:28 <nsh> i can't say much more than "in abstract"
21:10:42 <nsh> there's no medium that i can relate to my thought process
21:10:56 <Arnia> fair dos
21:10:57 <nsh> which sucks for being artistic :-)
21:11:53 <nsh> i sometimes suspect that i'm just not conscious enough of my internal mental processes
21:12:25 <nsh> but i know no program for investment of attention cathexes into my automatisms
21:12:40 <nsh> so i'll have to wait for an epiphany or something :-)
21:12:49 * Arnia steals nsh's dictionary
21:12:54 * nsh smiles
21:13:07 <nsh> but i poop from there!
21:13:21 <nsh> ah, self-effacing potty wit
21:13:24 * Arnia rolls his eyes and hands nsh an EFL dictionary
21:13:40 <nsh> you can't just make up dictionaries
21:14:30 <Arnia> .g EFL dictionary Longman
21:14:33 <phenny> Arnia: http://edition.tefl.net/reviews/longman-business-english-dictionary/
21:15:07 <nsh> foreign people with nontrivial things to say are actually a great source of neglected english words
21:15:28 <nsh> as they always seem to find translations from deepest darkest corners of the language
21:16:17 <nsh> mostly when they're translating from a language with a sophisticated technical terminological corpus of some arcane subject
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21:18:58 <nsh> sometimes i read things and it's like the robot from lost in space is saying "DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON"
21:19:11 <nsh> mostly when the article begins like this:
21:19:26 <nsh> There Are No Limits To The Open Society
21:19:26 <nsh> (1) The laws of physics as we presently understand them place no ultimate limits to growth. The wealth of society can grow to become literally infinite at the end of time.
21:19:52 <nsh> and the <next> link at the top of the page goes to "Technical Appendix: Why the Acceptance of the Known Laws of Physics Requires Acceptance of the Omega Point Theory "
21:22:14 <jeffarch> reloha
21:22:59 <nsh> alohel
21:23:05 * jeffarch remembers why he misses nsh in #esp, but guesses things can happen anywhere ;p
21:23:11 <Arnia> nsh: hit that bastard over the head with the second law of thermodynamics
21:23:18 * nsh smiles
21:23:20 <Arnia> and the first
21:23:23 <Arnia> and the third
21:23:28 <nsh> anyway, here's a relevant quote from voy hayek on time-shapes of capital stock:
21:23:29 <Arnia> Hell, hit him with Maxwell
21:23:55 <nsh> [[[ The datum usually called the "supply of capital" can thus be adequately described only in terms of the totality of all the alternative income streams between which the existence of a certain stock of non-permanent resources (together with the expected flow of input) enables us to choose. ... Each of the constituent parts of this stock can be used in various ways, and in various combinations with other permanent and non-permanent resources, to provide temporary
21:24:14 <nsh> ( Each of the constituent parts of this stock can be used in various ways, and in various combinations with other permanent and non-permanent resources, to provide temporary income streams ... What we sacrifice in order to obtain an income stream of a particular shape is always the parts of the potential income streams of other time shapes which we might have had instead. )
21:25:10 * nsh considers getting a copy of Pure Theory of Capital, to read as a treatise on nonlinear dynamics
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21:33:53 <Arnia> Economic dynamics as following the conservation of phase space volume?
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21:34:15 <nsh> aye
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21:34:51 <Arnia> That's fair... I like the conservation of phase space volume... it wraps up all the conservation laws and ties them to entropy
21:35:44 <nsh> .wik Liouville's theorem
21:35:48 <phenny> "In complex analysis, see Liouville's theorem (complex analysis)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liouville's_theorem
21:36:01 <nsh> .wik Liouville's theorem (complex analysis)
21:36:03 <phenny> "In complex analysis, Liouville's theorem, named after Joseph Liouville, states that every bounded entire function must be constant." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liouville's_theorem_(complex_analysis)
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21:36:42 <nsh> man
21:36:43 <Arnia> Yes
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21:36:50 <nsh> i want a theorem named after me in 4 different fields
21:37:16 <nsh> In mathematics, Liouville's theorem is a theorem about conformal mappings in Euclidean space. It states that any conformal mapping on a domain of Rn, where n > 2, can be expressed as a composition of translations, similarities, orthogonal transformations and inversions. This severely limits the variety of possible conformal mappings in R3 and higher-dimensional spaces.
21:37:16 <nsh> By contrast, conformal mappings in R2 can be much more complicated - for example, all simply connected planar domains are conformally equivalent, by the Riemann mapping theorem.
21:38:17 <nsh> conformal surfaces of equipotential risk :-)
21:39:55 <nsh> hrmm
21:40:28 * nsh develops a sudden interest in the Riemann mapping theorem
21:42:44 <nsh> .wik annulus
21:42:51 <phenny> "Annulus (or anulus), being the [[Latin]and french] for 'ring', is a term used to describe various ring or circle shaped objects (or openings):[1]|[2]|" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annulus
21:43:36 <nsh> "The analog of the Riemann mapping theorem in three real dimensions or above is not even remotely true. In fact, the family of conformal maps in three dimensions is very poor, and essentially contains only Möbius transformations."
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22:00:10 <Arnia> Hm... I've just realised that holomorphic functions have a strong relationship to the idea of the complex plane as a product space
22:00:33 * Arnia waves his fist at nsh for distracting him
22:00:37 <Arnia> Again
22:01:37 <nsh> is my job
22:01:47 <nsh> work for the distrashun plice
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22:08:54 * Arnia goes back to thinking about where he is taking NARS
22:15:46 <zjb> To the interwebs?
22:20:36 <Arnia> almost... not quite
22:20:50 <Arnia> I'm looking up reaction diffusion equations
22:20:56 <nsh> build it, and the interwebs will come
22:21:17 <nsh> good idea
22:22:06 * zjb doesn't think that's entirely true
22:22:38 <zjb> build it well, and the interwebs will stalk you and force you to do it again, yet implausibly better, then kill you on the inside.
22:23:04 <nsh> that too
22:23:21 <jeffarch> its all inside
22:23:37 <jeffarch> (batteries not included)
22:23:44 <zjb> I love that
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22:27:31 <Arnia> "Aghhhhh! The page you have requested had an existential crisis, and is no longer with us. Please check the URL or search the Caltech website:" — http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/ismap/image.html
22:29:48 <nsh> ho ones!
22:35:57 <jeffarch> to play!!
22:37:33 <nsh> ei gaim
22:37:39 <nsh> !!!
22:41:05 * Arnia sighs and waits for Papers to rebuild the database
22:41:13 <Arnia> oh well
22:41:23 <Arnia> I'm hoping Crossref support will be useful
22:44:53 * zjb is trying to remember how to spell "non sequitur"
22:45:20 <Arnia> non sequitur is right
22:45:31 <Arnia> and appropriate
22:45:32 <zjb> hmm... spell check was yelling at me
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22:45:46 <nsh> there's something inherently distasteful about referring to noneuclidian geometry as "bolyai's brave new world", howevere innocently the phrase might be intended
22:45:47 <zjb> Yup. That was half the point of asking vs. googling
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22:47:43 <Arnia> nsh: all the strange, strange creatures?
22:47:52 * Arnia hums that song
22:48:07 <Arnia> .g "All the strange, strange creatures" site:youtube.com
22:48:09 <phenny> Arnia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJCRJ-F1ImU
22:49:09 <nsh> please don't be new doctor who
22:49:15 <nsh> new doctor who is painful to watch
22:49:39 <nsh> ah, themetune sounds alrighty though
22:51:38 <Arnia> That was the theme for the series three trailer... think it is an awesome piece of music
22:52:37 <nsh> yeah, it's pretty awesome
22:52:38 <Arnia> And yes, I am new Doctor Who and old Doctor Who. Don't see any problem with that :p I groan as much at old Doctor Who as new (especially old Who from the 80s)
22:52:57 <nsh> mmm
22:53:06 <nsh> i would probably groan at the old stuff too now
22:53:12 <nsh> but i was like 8 when i watched it
22:53:21 <Arnia> Yes, that's the point
22:53:41 <nsh> so it was suave and sophisticated and remains so under scaling transformations of the metatropic imagination
22:53:42 <nsh> :-)
22:56:51 <Arnia> The series four title theme has gone all early 80s... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6PW2eXOIeg
23:02:37 <nsh> mmm
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23:04:49 <jeffarch> was in my teens the first time I watched Dr Who
23:05:02 <jeffarch> Tom Baker, of course
23:05:34 <jeffarch> saw Pertwee in a couple episodes
23:05:40 <Arnia> I was six when it got... uh... paused
23:06:29 * nsh smiles
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23:06:57 <Arnia> hey... some of my friends in the first year weren't even born!
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23:15:07 * Arnia boings sideways
23:15:19 <zjb> .title http://www.newsweek.com/id/132240
23:15:19 <phenny> zjb: Kids’ Book on Plastic Surgery | Newsweek Health | Newsweek.com
23:15:21 <zjb> That's scary
23:15:45 <Arnia> hm
23:16:04 * Arnia thinks about extensions to diffusion planning
23:16:11 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080406/NEWS/804060343/-1/NEWS01
23:16:12 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
23:16:12 <_bjoern> .title
23:16:14 <phenny> _bjoern: Bill toughens law on visual sexual aggression against children in Maine
23:17:27 <Arnia> I can allow various artificial neurotransmitters for desire and aversion to react together... I'm just not sure whether that buys me anything
23:17:51 <Arnia> I mean, the flexibility is easy to add to the model... it is just whether there is a use for it
23:18:11 <zjb> Are you talking about NARS? I thought it was Non-A...
23:18:29 <Arnia> meh, guess I can mention it as a possible extension nonetheless
23:18:37 <Arnia> zjb: non-axiomatic... yes, so?
23:19:33 <zjb> Yeah, shorthand's fun. But were those last 2 messages about NARS?
23:24:22 <Arnia> yes
23:28:24 <Arnia> Oh, btw... http://tinyurl.com/53zert
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23:34:34 <Arnia> phenny, tell nsh about http://tinyurl.com/53zert
23:34:34 <phenny> Arnia: I'll pass that on when nsh is around.
23:34:41 <Arnia> phenny, tell sbp about http://tinyurl.com/53zert
23:34:41 <phenny> Arnia: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
23:34:49 <Arnia> phenny, tell xover about http://tinyurl.com/53zert
23:34:49 <phenny> Arnia: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
23:35:01 <Arnia> (this is my revenge against rickrolling...)
23:35:24 <zjb> heh
23:35:41 * zjb fell for it... he thinks?
23:35:45 <Arnia> Step 1. Find the worst song you know
23:35:49 <Arnia> Step 2.
23:35:54 <Arnia> Step 3. Revenge
23:35:58 <zjb> tinyurl?
23:37:06 <Arnia> meh
23:37:32 <Arnia> What was your remark regarding NARS about anyway?
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