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00:53:39 <Arnia> hm http://kameraflage.com/
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01:17:43 <tonybaloney867> Monty: What's your favorite color?
01:17:47 <Monty> .v http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302965 is that explain drama?
01:17:48 <phenny> Monty: .v has been replaced by .val
01:17:52 <Monty> Wow. Age-old problem with certain stock of understanding or just followed
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01:28:32 <Stwange> it might not be the best place to ask, but I don't suppose anyone has experience with using bouncycastle libraries for cryptography in Java do they?
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01:44:26 <shminux> does phenny provide channel admin interface? like op/deop/ban/kick?
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01:53:08 <Monty> Thank goodness, Stwange is back!
01:53:26 <Stwange> oh ffs I lagged out *again*
01:57:13 <shminux> I guess not
01:57:50 <Stwange> ah well, was worth a try :)
01:58:30 * jeffarch can't answer either questions
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02:42:55 <Monty> But what does jeffarch have to do with the price of fish?
02:43:49 <tonybaloney867> Nothing, Monty
02:43:52 <Monty> Foot'n'Mouth's profanity specialises in HTTP perfume!
02:44:03 <_bjoern> Yes, HTTP perfume...
02:44:09 <jeffarch> But what do fish have to do with the price of Monty?
02:44:10 <Monty> >say AMcBain
02:44:12 <_bjoern> It's a RESTful flavour.
02:44:17 <_bjoern> AMcBain
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03:10:48 <shtoom> sbp:hi
03:11:45 <_bjoern> Try it in ~4 hours.
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06:14:52 <_bjoern> hmm http://www.psd2cssonline.com/
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06:38:16 <sbp> yo
06:38:16 <phenny> sbp: 16 Apr 23:40Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080406/NEWS/804060343/-1/NEWS01
06:38:18 <phenny> sbp: 16 Apr 23:58Z <Arnia> tell sbp about http://tinyurl.com/53zert
06:38:56 <sbp> looks like tape or something in the storknest
06:40:28 <sbp> phenny: tell _bjoern it would be nice to see the law they actually drafted
06:40:28 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when _bjoern is around.
06:40:55 <_bjoern> indeed
06:40:55 <phenny> _bjoern: 07:04Z <sbp> tell _bjoern it would be nice to see the law they actually drafted
06:41:16 <sbp> [[[
06:41:17 <sbp> Cyndi Desrosiers, project coordinator of Allies in Substance Abuse Prevention, displays the front of a Hallmark greeting card which depicts hands holding two glasses of wine. She says the card, which reads “liquid clothes remover” inside, sends the wrong message to teens.
06:41:18 <sbp> ]]]
06:41:24 <sbp> - http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080411/NEWS/804110427
06:42:27 <sbp> “Despite our best efforts, Gmail doesn't yet build itself.” — Google
06:43:35 <_bjoern> When Data got abducted by some collector, the collector also used a liquid clothes remover on data. Though in that case it was some sort of acid.
06:44:44 <aspect> I read up the screen, and naturally parsed "project coordinator of Aliens in Substance Abuse Prevention"
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06:51:42 <sbp> “A boy was cautioned by police after pretending to sneeze and then wiping his hand on David Cameron's jacket” - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7351320.stm
06:52:42 <sbp> “A five-year-old boy is thought to be the UK's youngest person to patent an idea after inventing a labour-saving broom to help his father sweep leaves.” - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7350341.stm
06:53:38 <sbp> oh man
06:53:39 <sbp> [[[
06:53:39 <sbp> Senator Clinton criticised her rival's recent remark that working-class voters clung to guns and religion in difficult times, calling it "offensive".
06:53:39 <sbp> Senator Obama said the comments had been taken out of context.
06:53:40 <Monty> Right. :) Lots of all the system will getcha recipes are no medium that traffic to the language i
06:53:46 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7351619.stm
06:55:02 <sbp> [[[
06:55:02 <sbp> Scientists with the European Space Agency (Esa) say the day when flowers bloom on the Moon has come closer.
06:55:03 <sbp> An Esa-linked team has shown that marigolds can grow in crushed rock very like the lunar surface, with no need for plant food.
06:55:08 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7351437.stm
06:55:18 <sbp> marigolds on nsh's moon?
06:56:18 <sbp> lots of good little stories today
06:56:19 <sbp> [[[
06:56:20 <sbp> Dame Helen Mirren - the "godmother" of P&O's newest liner Ventura - instead commanded a team of Royal Marines to abseil down the ship and smash the bottle against the hull in Wednesday's naming ceremony in Southampton.
06:56:31 <sbp> This is because maritime lore holds that if the bottle fails to smash, the ship will be destined for an unlucky life at sea.
06:56:38 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7348038.stm
06:57:37 <sbp> then it's a whole article about how to make champagne bottles easier to smash
06:58:29 <sbp> ...
06:58:37 <sbp> “A German man survived a 25ft plunge down a lift shaft when he landed on a woman who had fallen down it a day before.” - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2814298.html?menu=
07:00:46 <sbp> .wik Santo Daime
07:00:47 <phenny> "Santo Daime is a syncretic spiritual practice, which was founded in the Brazilian Amazonian state of Acre in the 1930s and became a worldwide movement in the 1990s." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime
07:04:32 <sbp> ooh
07:04:45 <sbp> they've found what might be the oldest cluster of living trees in Sweden
07:04:48 <sbp> though they're Norwegian
07:04:50 <sbp> [[[
07:04:50 <sbp> Scientists have found a cluster of spruces in the mountains in western Sweden which, at an age of 8,000 years, may be the world's oldest living trees.
07:04:51 <sbp> The hardy Norway spruces were found perched high on a mountain side
07:05:00 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24065386/
07:05:24 <sbp> wow, older than Methuselah. way older
07:06:01 <sbp> “Although a single tree trunk can become at most about 600 years old, the spruces had survived by pushing out another trunk as soon as the old one died, Professor Kullman said.”
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07:06:59 <sbp> .title http://environment.newscientist.com/article/mg19826514.600-curious-cloud-formations-linked-to-quakes.html
07:07:00 <phenny> sbp: Curious cloud formations linked to quakes - earth - 11 April 2008 - New Scientist Environment
07:09:54 <sbp> hmm, dubious story of the day:
07:09:55 <sbp> [[[
07:09:56 <sbp> A TEENAGER called directory inquiries to book a taxi but ended up having a cabinet delivered – because she asked for a “cab, innit”.
07:09:56 <sbp> The 19-year-old Londoner wanted a taxi to take her from her home to Bristol airport, and first asked for the number using the Cockney rhyming slang “Joe Baxi”.
07:09:57 <sbp> When the baffled operator told her she could not find anyone listed by that name, the teen snapped back: “It ain’t a person, it’s a cab, innit.”
07:10:03 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1027656.ece
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07:10:32 <sbp> ‘Marketing manager Steve Whittle said yesterday: “We thought it was a joke at first but the girl was absolutely livid.”’
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07:12:19 <sbp> .title http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080408160614.htm
07:12:20 <phenny> sbp: Newly Discovered Fundamental State Of Matter, A Superinsulator, Has Been Created
07:12:37 <sbp> here's a picture of the oldest spruce:
07:12:38 <sbp> http://www.scientificblogging.com/files/Dalarna%20Spruce%20Sweden.jpg
07:14:20 <sbp> bwahaha. one site notes: “Darwin Central • View topic - A Tree Older than the World!”
07:14:39 <_bjoern> They found my tree!
07:15:18 <_bjoern> I brought it to this world when I first arrived here.
07:15:39 <_bjoern> DONT LAUGH BOUT MY TREE, IT HURTS.
07:20:53 <sbp> how did you manage to bring it here before it was created? or... oh, I see
07:21:01 <sbp> you brought it when it was created, meaning the tree is older
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08:16:10 <_bjoern> phun http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/04/crawling-through-html-forms.html
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08:21:18 <aspect> I'm with this guy: > Anthony said...
08:21:18 <aspect> Don't you realize that those of us who want the form results Googled already provide it to you in a static page or pages?
08:21:49 <aspect> also SuperJason>
08:21:50 <aspect> It reminds me of the monkey test. Have a group of monkeys test your website. They'll randomly do things until it breaks.
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08:27:51 <sbp> heh, I transcribed "boughs" twice as "boughts"
08:28:02 <sbp> and was confused for a bit, because my versions both agreed but I didn't understand the word
08:29:19 <laplink> heh heh
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08:37:01 <sbp> .title http://www.adam-matthew-publications.co.uk/collections_az/Coleridge/highlights.aspx
08:37:03 <phenny> sbp: COLERIDGE & LITERARY SOCIETY, 1790-1834 The Papers of Samuel Taylor Coleridge (1772-1834) from the British Library, London
08:37:12 <sbp> Coleridge's British Library MS, on microfilm
08:37:15 <sbp> ...£1500
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08:48:24 <_bjoern> ooh happy time, my mail address is being used in spam again, lots of mdaemon mails...
08:48:50 <_bjoern> german cialis spam apparently
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09:11:42 <_bjoern> .title http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/16/chertoff-fingerprints/
09:11:43 <phenny> _bjoern: Think Progress
09:11:49 <_bjoern> u suxx
09:17:08 <_bjoern> .wik microraptor
09:17:08 <phenny> "Microraptor ('small thief') is a genus of small, dromaeosaurid dinosaur." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microraptor
09:17:28 <sbp> .ety raptor
09:17:28 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "raptor". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=raptor
09:17:34 <sbp> .ety velociraptor
09:17:34 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "velociraptor". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=velociraptor
09:17:37 <sbp> pfft
09:18:33 <_bjoern> ""predatory," 1825, from L. raptor "robber," from rapt-, pp. stem of rapere "seize" (see rapid). Raptor in ornithology is first attested 1873. "
09:18:56 <sbp> thankings unto yooouuugh
09:19:25 <_bjoern> I just followed phenny's links you know...
09:19:28 <_bjoern> it's for raptorial in fact.
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09:51:30 <shtoom> sbp:HI u there ?
09:52:22 <sbp> HELLO YES
09:52:25 <sbp> what up?
09:53:42 <shtoom> sbp: Ok , great I've replied in the orkut topic of moderators
09:54:05 <shtoom> sbp: you said you had trouble tracking my id over there
09:54:54 <sbp> shtoom: okay, added you
09:55:02 <sbp> thanks for volunteering
10:01:23 <shtoom> sbp:Thanks for adding me
10:02:14 <shtoom> sbp:I will try to keep it clean and as most informative community of python on orkut!
10:02:29 <Arnia> Why would you want it to be informative?
10:02:34 <Arnia> Confusion is best!
10:02:39 <Arnia> (look at this place)
10:04:04 <sbp> or perhaps you're just trying to confuse him and really think that he should keep it informative...
10:05:03 <Arnia> Or perhaps I expected him to be able to reason himself this far and thus went and reversed it again
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10:10:21 <sbp> or on the level above that; or any of the levels above *that*
10:11:05 <Arnia> indeed
10:13:53 <_bjoern> .gc confusing porn
10:13:54 <phenny> confusing porn: 299,000
10:17:06 <Arnia> .gc elephant confusing porn
10:17:07 <phenny> elephant confusing porn: 66,100
10:17:17 <_bjoern> sbp?
10:18:46 <sbp> hellos
10:18:53 <sbp> oh!
10:19:01 <sbp> .gc elephant confusing porn menageries
10:19:02 <phenny> elephant confusing porn menageries: 4,080
10:19:38 <_bjoern> .gc mediumaquamarine elephant confusing porn menageries
10:19:39 <phenny> mediumaquamarine elephant confusing porn menageries: 0
10:19:48 <_bjoern> dang
10:20:31 <sbp> .gc mediumaquamarine
10:20:32 <phenny> mediumaquamarine: 351,000
10:20:45 <sbp> you crapped out, Vegas _Bjoern
10:21:09 <_bjoern> I was initially thinking aboit going palegoldenrod
10:21:09 <Monty> leaving messages, reminders, seen something inherently distasteful about it counts
10:21:51 <sbp> hehe
10:22:06 <sbp> 20 saffron, 20 goldenrod, 20 paella...
10:22:13 <sbp> "okay. one hundred yellow coming up!"
10:24:28 <JimJibber> 40 free?
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11:07:31 <sbp> 43 what?
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11:22:05 <cre8radix> monty?
11:22:06 <Monty> mm
11:22:28 <cre8radix> how come you're not in #tribalradix anymore, monty?
11:22:37 <Monty> Have a wonder if my thought to abort imap searches when sbp about it; by the movie and it's pretty well-versed in part, and physics, a person, it’s a team
11:23:11 <cre8radix> ahuh
11:23:18 <cre8radix> well thx, monty
11:23:21 <Monty> carpets is your home's and deceased!
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11:38:39 <laplink> 44 bottles of Dom on the wall, 44 bottles of Dom…
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11:42:16 * Arnia removes laplink before he drinks all 44
11:42:51 <sbp> Arnia!
11:46:10 <Arnia> Hm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7351252.stm
11:49:02 <cre8radix> sbp sbp sbp
11:49:04 <cre8radix> :D
11:49:07 <cre8radix> :D :D
11:49:10 <cre8radix> :D :D :D
11:49:13 <cre8radix> :D :D :D :D
11:49:21 <cre8radix> pyramid of joy
11:51:28 <sbp> funny last paragraph
11:51:30 <sbp> cre8radix: hehe
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12:05:20 <Monty> Thank goodness, ejot is back!
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12:06:02 <sbp> no, Monty, no!
12:06:03 <Monty> Are you saying no just to be negative?
12:06:49 <sbp> Monty: nope
12:06:50 <Monty> porno TWM.
12:08:05 * Arnia slaps Monty with a plum between the eyes
12:08:05 <Monty> hm
12:08:09 <plum> all the waiting for more action, the action of chiefly in right of.
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13:01:15 <nslater> woah, Joel Spolsky and Jeff Atwood are teaming up
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13:01:25 <ja> who the heck is jeff atwood
13:01:31 <nslater> google?
13:01:43 <nslater> .wik jeff atwood
13:01:45 <phenny> "An Identicon is a visual representation of a hash value, usually of the IP address, serving to identify a user of a computer system." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identicon
13:01:49 <nslater> fail
13:01:57 <nslater> http://www.codinghorror.com/
13:02:18 <ja> you cant just have a rainbow table of IP Addresses SHA1?
13:02:23 <ja> that wikipedia article is crap
13:02:58 <nslater> which is really funny given this article: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000679.html
13:05:55 <nslater> weird, they are recording weekly internal meetings and publishing them as podcasts, what a strange thing to do
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13:37:21 <Arnia> 'Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O.J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that "such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer".' — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminator
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13:46:46 <sbp> I read that as David Cameron several times before it sunk in
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13:52:18 <nsh> hahahahaa
13:52:18 <phenny> nsh: 16 Apr 23:58Z <Arnia> tell nsh about http://tinyurl.com/53zert
14:01:41 <nsh> nice song, i think
14:07:17 <xover> .
14:07:17 <phenny> xover: 16 Apr 23:58Z <Arnia> tell xover about http://tinyurl.com/53zert
14:07:23 <xover> .title http://textism.com/2008/04/17/shiny.shiny
14:07:24 <phenny> xover: Textism: Shiny shiny
14:11:28 <xover> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPv8PPl7ANU
14:11:29 <phenny> xover: YouTube - Stupid Internal Microsoft Vista SP1 Video
14:11:43 <xover> Worst thing is… I think taht's actually the genuine article.
14:12:24 <xover> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SMhJ4J0YGE&watch_response
14:12:25 <phenny> xover: YouTube - Re: Stupid Internal Microsoft Vista SP1 Video
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15:08:35 <nslater> _bjoern: was it you playing with apache gzip stuff the other week?
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15:22:40 <nsh> .gd pleomorphy
15:22:40 <phenny> pleomorphy: No definition found!
15:22:48 <nsh> .w pleomorphy
15:22:49 <phenny> I couldn't find 'pleomorphy' in WordNet.
15:22:54 <nsh> .wik pleomorphy
15:22:56 <phenny> "Louis René Tulasne, aka Edmond Tulasne (September 12, 1815 - December 22, 1885) was a French botanist who was born in Azay-le-Rideau." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Ren%C3%A9_Tulasne
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15:31:08 <_bjoern> http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/bildgalerie_pfalzstorch/details.php?image_id=23478
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15:49:12 <nsh> .w corrigenda
15:50:00 <phenny> corrigenda n. 1: A list of printing errors in a book along with their corrections
15:50:01 <phenny> corrigenda n. 2: A printer's error.
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15:58:02 <nsh> .wik Mueller's ratchet
15:58:03 <phenny> "Bobby Muller, Vietnam veteran" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muller
15:58:12 <nsh> .wik Muller's ratchet
15:58:13 <phenny> "In evolutionary genetics, Muller's ratchet (named after Hermann Joseph Muller and a mechanical device) is the name given to the process by which the genomes of an asexual population accumulate deleterious mutations in an irreversible manner." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muller's_ratchet
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16:42:03 <thelsdj> hahaha downside to men giving more oral sex: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.hpv14apr14,0,1493482.story
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18:03:53 <cre8radix> hrhr
18:03:57 <cre8radix> ""Now most of us are at risk, because humans are sexual beings," she said."
18:04:09 <cre8radix> the church knew it all the way!
18:04:14 <cre8radix> lol
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18:09:55 <Arnia> hm
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18:10:28 <nsh> what's kickin'?
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18:12:07 <nsh> when the * is in the seventh house
18:12:12 <nsh> .gc when the * is in the seventh house
18:12:15 <nsh> even
18:12:18 <phenny> when the * is in the seventh house: 25,700
18:12:19 <nsh> damnit
18:12:25 <nsh> .gs when the * is in the seventh house
18:12:27 <phenny> when the * is in the seventh house: moon (74), moooooon (2)
18:17:37 <Arnia> Feeling rather lonely so working out how to 'port' linogram to Processing.org
18:18:27 <nsh> hmm
18:18:31 <nsh> what's linogram?
18:21:13 <ja> http://hop.perl.plover.com/linogram/
18:21:17 <kpreid> .g linogram
18:21:18 <phenny> kpreid: http://hop.perl.plover.com/linogram/
18:26:16 * nsh frowns
18:27:11 <nsh> what's internet slang for "wasn't actually interested enough to find out myself, that's why i asked."?
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18:51:54 <nsh> .ety trait
18:51:54 <phenny> "c.1477, 'shot, missiles,' later 'a stroke, short line' (1589), from M.Fr. trait, from L. tractus 'draft, drawing, drawing out,' later 'line drawn, feature,' from pp. stem of trahere 'to pull, draw' (see tract (1))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=trait
18:52:29 <nsh> this 1980s bbc presenter actually pronounces "trait" with a silent t
18:52:34 <nsh> awesome affected
18:52:49 <sbp> so did anyone else see a lady in high heels and dress whacking a circular saw into a car for musical effect today?
18:52:55 <sbp> because I did
18:53:07 <nsh> sweet
18:53:09 <sbp> (Paul O'Grady show for the win)
18:53:50 <sbp> what be haps in hapsland, nsh?
18:54:14 <nsh> licking the cappucino flavoured sugarfun out of oreo-analogues
18:54:30 <sbp> what do you do with the remainder?
18:54:31 <nsh> and watching this 1980 horizon episode on astrology
18:54:38 <nsh> for elocution porpoises
18:54:41 <nsh> oh, i eat that too
18:54:44 <sbp> man, Horizon was so great
18:54:45 <nsh> but it's not worth recounting
18:54:45 <sbp> aha
18:54:57 <nsh> is it the stop?
18:55:00 <sbp> division is fun when you do it the old way
18:55:02 <nsh> [horizon]
18:55:06 <sbp> ______________________
18:55:09 <sbp> 5/67000000000
18:55:18 <sbp> I think it's still going actually
18:55:23 <nsh> how you gonna get the figures back over the line?!?
18:55:28 <sbp> but it can't capture the glory of its old days, surely
18:55:29 <nsh> THAT'S IRCIMPOSSIBLE
18:55:33 <nsh> aye
18:55:35 <sbp> er... hmm
18:55:39 <sbp> oh, I can just edit the logs
18:55:43 <sbp> it'll be like:
18:55:46 <nsh> ahhh
18:55:49 <sbp> <sbp> [solution]
18:55:49 <nsh> sneaky one this
18:55:52 <sbp> <sbp> -------- &c.
18:55:57 <sbp> <nsh> wow sbp that's very clever
18:56:01 <sbp> <sbp> yes. thank you
18:56:22 <nsh> you'll have to redact this digression
18:56:22 <nsh> and if i crack a joke about penguin-snuffing
18:56:22 <nsh> and it becomes a swhacktrope
18:56:25 <sbp> oh plus I'll need to delete this bit of course
18:56:27 <sbp> or, something like:
18:56:31 <nsh> but immediately after talk about how you cheated again
18:56:32 <sbp> <sbp> also I would never edit the logs
18:56:36 <nsh> then there'll be a lot of editing overhead
18:56:39 <sbp> yeah
18:56:43 <sbp> hmm
18:56:47 <sbp> so don't do that then
18:56:54 <sbp> no being funny for at least 30 minutes!
18:57:06 <sbp> we have to talk about XMLfail instead
18:57:17 <sbp> so. how about that infoset, eh? all those processing instructions...
18:57:28 <sbp> and man! don't even get me started on entities!
18:57:35 <nsh> <this><sounds = "plausible"><nmegh>
18:57:48 * nsh actually forgets how markup languages work
18:58:01 <nsh> or computers in general
18:58:10 <sbp> .val data:text/xml,<this><sounds = "plausible"><nmegh>
18:58:11 <phenny> sbp: http://data:text/xml,<this><sounds is Abort
18:58:20 <sbp> it's a bort
18:59:43 <xover> NU!
19:00:28 <nsh> i think there's something to do with infinite balkan states
19:00:28 <nsh> but i could be strogonof
19:00:28 * nsh makes listen to chris morris music show
19:00:28 <nsh> because 1995 is a good year to visit
19:00:37 <nsh> phenny, YOU IS ABORT
19:00:55 * xover sends nsh back to 1995…
19:01:03 <sbp> .wik Olivia Newton John
19:01:04 <phenny> "Olivia Newton-John, AO, OBE (born September 26, 1948) is a Grammy Award-winning and Golden Globe-nominated English-born, Australian pop singer, songwriter and actress." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivia_Newton_John
19:01:10 <sbp> wow, she's Australian
19:01:12 <sbp> I didn't know this
19:01:20 <xover> They all are.
19:01:27 <nsh> how many toes?
19:01:36 <sbp> undetermined
19:01:43 <nsh> australian songwriteractresses always have nonstandard toecounts
19:02:05 <sbp> is it an ISO standard or a BS kitemarkey standard?
19:02:15 <nsh> yup
19:02:24 <nsh> fully pistacio
19:02:37 <sbp> well I was asking which of the two (or neither), really
19:02:46 <xover> [[[
19:02:46 <sbp> (it can't be both because that would be silly)
19:02:50 <xover> >For all I know they probably have a standard for
19:02:51 <xover> >which direction to put the thread on a bolt.
19:02:51 <xover> That would be ISO 261:1973. -- John Cowan
19:02:53 <xover> ]]]
19:03:03 <sbp> yeah, I was thinking about that
19:03:17 <sbp> I was trying to remember whether it was milk in first
19:03:24 <sbp> but then I decided it was thread the right way
19:03:48 <nsh> milk in first would be stoopid
19:04:35 <sbp> well that's my home position
19:04:44 <sbp> though I did devise the idea of putting in half first and half after
19:04:53 <sbp> which annoys *all* people, so is perfect
19:05:19 <xover> Why would you put milk in a perfectly good stimulant?
19:05:32 <Arnia> Olivia Newton-John's grandfather was Max Born, apparently...
19:05:40 <sbp> well really the answer is because most modern teas taste rubbish
19:05:51 <sbp> I mean, you don't put milk in yin zhen or whatever
19:05:58 <sbp> or a good darjeeling
19:06:02 <xover> ITYM, “…tea tastes rubbish” HTH.
19:06:12 <sbp> NO I DO NOT
19:06:14 <sbp> TEA IS THE WIN
19:06:39 <xover> Tea is sooo Gay!
19:06:56 * sbp makes a mental note to piss on xover's coffee drinking every morning
19:07:07 <nsh> mmm
19:07:07 <nsh> eating pistacios is the closest i get to experiencing heroin addiction
19:07:07 <nsh> well, first hand anyway
19:07:07 <nsh> i did live in a ghetto
19:07:10 <xover> Hey! No piss in the coffee!
19:07:17 <sbp> actually, I don't know why I didn't think of that before. makes mornings fun!
19:07:24 <sbp> why not? can't make it worse
19:07:28 <xover> I get enougfh of that with the decaf for the rest of the day.
19:07:32 <sbp> hehe
19:07:37 <sbp> fair enough...
19:08:09 <xover> The damnable thing is, I can't even drink tea anymore in the evenings.
19:08:12 <sbp> Orwell said a weird thing about tea
19:08:26 <sbp> he said people who put sugar in it are mad
19:08:32 <sbp> which is a fairly middling point
19:08:47 <sbp> but then he goes on to say "tea should be bitter! like beer!"
19:08:50 <sbp> which is... strange
19:09:09 <xover> The bitterness or the analogy to beer?
19:09:19 <sbp> a bit of both, I think
19:09:25 <sbp> it's a strange argument, most of all
19:09:40 <xover> Argument? Looks like an opinion to me.
19:10:04 * Arnia pours badger tea over xover
19:10:18 <sbp> I think the argument is that beer is good, and beer is good because it's bitter, and hence tea is good only if it's bitter in the same way
19:10:20 * xover rubs up against Arnia to dry off…
19:10:32 <Arnia> My plan worked...
19:10:36 <sbp> I might, admittedly, be reading too much into it
19:10:38 <xover> No. Beer can be sweet or… But Real Beer is bitter.
19:10:47 <xover> heh heh
19:10:53 <sbp> quite possibly Orwell doesn't even like beer
19:11:05 <sbp> maybe he was in the secret employ of a local brewery
19:11:05 <Arnia> heretic!
19:11:14 <sbp> well, you know what he's like
19:11:24 <sbp> furtive this, stealthy that
19:11:34 <Arnia> voyeur the other
19:11:38 <sbp> hehe
19:11:40 <_bjoern> .title http://www.newsweek.com/id/130635
19:11:41 <phenny> _bjoern: Repression 2.0 | Newsweek International Edition | Newsweek.com
19:11:47 * xover suddenly wonders whether Orwell had any older brothers…
19:11:57 <sbp> .wik Arthur Eric Blair
19:11:59 <phenny> "George Orwell is the pen name of Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903[1]|[2]| – 21 January 1950) who was an English writer and journalist well-noted as a novelist, critic, and commentator on politics and culture." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell
19:12:29 <sbp> “His father, Richard Walmesley Blair, worked in the Opium Department of the Civil Service.”
19:12:34 <sbp> he had two sisters
19:12:55 <xover> Aha! George Orwell /is/ Big Brother!
19:13:00 <_bjoern> pix of female descendants where age < 30 pls
19:13:03 <sbp> can just imagine the signs on the lifts
19:13:14 <sbp> [Defence Department]
19:13:21 <sbp> [Health Department]
19:13:25 <sbp> [Opium Department]
19:13:40 <Arnia> sbp: That's a big building :p
19:14:22 <sbp> _bjoern: I cannot find any
19:14:37 <sbp> Arnia: well, Opium's in the basement
19:15:07 <sbp> _bjoern: it did come up with this though: http://www.videostatic.com/photos/uncategorized/avril_girlfriend.jpg
19:15:44 <Arnia> sbp: everyone loves poppies
19:17:10 <xover> Puppies?
19:17:26 <xover> Unicorns!
19:17:30 <xover> Rainbows!
19:17:56 <xover> Happiness tastes like a funny color!
19:18:05 <sbp> martian colour
19:18:50 <xover> I wonder what would happen if I came into work one morning smiling happy and perky.
19:19:10 <sbp> instant medical
19:19:13 <sbp> is your nurse hot?
19:19:17 <sbp> because it might be a good idea
19:19:39 <xover> Well, either that or everyone would run away screaming, figuring today was the day I fnally go postal.
19:19:46 <sbp> hehe
19:20:42 <xover> It might be worth it just to find out.
19:20:55 <sbp> <xover> hello everybody! what a lovely day!
19:21:04 <sbp> <coworker> oh shit
19:21:13 <sbp> <xover> yes, dear friend. the time for reckoning has arisen
19:21:21 <sbp> <xover> the angel of death is upon you
19:21:22 <nsh> orwell died at 47?
19:21:25 <sbp> <xover> make your time
19:21:36 <sbp> <xover> tra-la-la-la-la
19:21:52 <xover> Seriously, people stop and think before greeting me; anyone with the bad taste to wish me a “_Good_ Morning” pretty much gets their intestines handed to them.
19:22:02 <sbp> ehheh
19:25:27 <nsh> these are bad pistacios
19:25:37 <nsh> but they put just enough good ones in that you don't give up
19:25:42 <xover> Well, I'm up past my bedtime. `night all.
19:25:48 <nsh> and the compulsive behaviour just gets the worse
19:26:01 <nsh> laters the man
19:26:01 <nsh> g
19:26:44 <sbp> c'ya
19:26:54 <sbp> (20:50?)
19:27:05 <sbp> oh, I guess it's an hour later therewards
19:27:14 <nsh> is here two hours plustime
19:27:22 <nsh> assumecakes xoverfor to
19:27:25 <sbp> that's just trippywhack
19:27:31 <nsh> *too
19:27:36 <sbp> surely only +1 in .noville
19:27:39 <sbp> it's soooo close
19:27:42 <sbp> you could almost touch it
19:28:02 <sbp> Time zone CET (UTC+1)
19:28:02 <sbp> - Summer (DST) CEST (UTC+2)
19:28:04 <sbp> - Wikipedia
19:28:05 <nsh> only with the fleximal gadgetpole
19:28:08 <sbp> sez i winz
19:28:15 <sbp> ooh, gadgetpole
19:28:57 <nsh> it has a lot of buttons for feature and ting
19:29:27 <nsh> oh
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19:29:40 <nsh> made up a fun game the overyesterday
19:29:57 <nsh> with drinking and such
19:30:26 <nsh> you take turns to have a sip, and gargle one more word of "to be or not to be"
19:30:33 <nsh> "to", "to be", "to be or", "to be or not", "to be or not to be"....
19:30:51 <nsh> until there are much different pint:giggles rationation
19:31:24 <sbp> woah, that's quite a good game
19:31:31 <sbp> it's better than chugging and putting the glass on your head
19:31:40 <sbp> or whatever that thing is. I don't even know where that's from
19:31:42 <sbp> Men Behaving Badly?
19:31:43 <nsh> in truth
19:31:51 <nsh> red drwaf
19:31:56 <sbp> ooh, could be
19:31:57 <nsh> red dvorak
19:32:17 <sbp> qwtfry
19:32:52 <nsh> right#
19:33:02 <sbp> “Archaeological finds indicate that there were people in Norway as early as the 10th millennium BC (12,000 years ago).”
19:33:20 <sbp> “In 1349, the Black Death killed between 40% and 50% of the Norwegian population,[13] causing a decline in both society and economics.” - some pubs also had to close as a result
19:34:18 <sbp> half the country dies from disease and all Wikipedia can write about it several centuries later is that there was somewhat of a decline in societal and economic terms
19:34:52 <sbp> ‘During the national romanticism of the 19th century, this period was by some referred to as the "400-Year Night", since all of the kingdom's royal, intellectual, and administrative power was centred in Copenhagen, Denmark.’
19:35:21 <nsh> if you detect pistacio-eating typing patterns
19:35:21 <nsh> enable the punishflakes
19:35:21 <nsh> because it must be the stopnow
19:35:27 <thelsdj> ha: http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/
19:35:36 <sbp> hey, this is a cool language:
19:35:39 <sbp> “Norwegska je stat w Skandinawiskej. Ma wokoło 4,5 mil. wobydlerjow. Hłowne město je Oslo. Forma knježerstwa je konstitucionelna monarchija. Mjezuje z Šwedskej na juhowuchodźe, Finskej a Ruskej na sewjerowuchodźe.”
19:36:18 * nslater wibbles
19:36:34 <sbp> it willn't load
19:36:36 <sbp> yo nslater
19:36:48 <nslater> how ya doin sbp?
19:36:51 <sbp> it's willn'ty in its loadship
19:36:58 <sbp> I am okay thank you and how are you
19:37:34 <nslater> I'm okay I guess, in a world of mod_rewrite pain atm ;)
19:37:36 * nsh read that as being said in the intonation of "i know you are but what am i?"
19:38:16 <sbp> heh: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/4/11/
19:38:27 <sbp> nsh: it was half that and half Roast Beef
19:38:59 <nsh> sounds offshoresome
19:39:00 <nslater> hehe
19:39:00 <Monty> ahuh
19:39:06 <sbp> eheh
19:39:06 <nslater> hmm?
19:39:14 <sbp> you know that Monty
19:39:14 * nslater slaps Monty
19:39:14 <Monty> Yes, absolutely. At all.
19:39:19 <Monty> that's how you apply rules + sender); }; pluginsHelp.hello = "plausible"><nmegh>
19:39:23 <sbp> actually I am pretty good
19:39:30 <sbp> I tried walking in a river
19:39:38 <thelsdj> sbp2002: what have you been up to?
19:39:38 <sbp> but the mud sucked me in and I almost couldn't get out
19:39:39 <sbp2002> now, why did they get busted for distributing porn again?
19:39:54 <sbp> but then I managed to get onto a kind of bit of bric-a-brac which was there
19:42:53 <Arnia> grr... citeseer is down again
19:42:56 * Arnia explodes
19:42:59 <zjb> OH LOOK A NON SEQUITUR!
19:43:53 <sbp> I can cope with citeseer being gone
19:43:56 <sbp> JSTOR is another matter
19:44:28 <sbp> JSTOR is elfcakes with goblindrops and pixiesmear topping
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19:46:42 <nslater> it occures to me that it's pretty expensive being an accademic, not nessesarily for the individual but for the department, what with the high price you have to pay to read and share research materials, it's pretty crazy from an outsiders point of view
19:48:07 <sbp> yeah, but then they can hock their own cheesy wares in a similar manner
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19:48:17 <nslater> anyone know how you drag windows between "spaces" on OS X?
19:48:21 <sbp> making it an ourorboral circle of financiowank
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19:48:35 <nsh> bingbingwins
19:49:13 <nslater> sbp: http://mako.cc/fun/overpricetags/
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19:49:48 <sbp> cool
19:50:39 <nslater> seems a bit crazy that research by a department might end up inaccessible to the departments own researchers!
19:51:16 <nslater> also http://www.brown.edu/Administration/George_Street_Journal/vol24/24GSJ19c.html
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19:51:24 <nsh> *seems a bit crazy that research might end up inaccessable*
19:51:31 <nslater> well yes, quite
19:51:45 <nsh> stupid imaginary property
19:52:09 <thelsdj> you guys seen this? http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/24513 i'm actually suprised by how few people seem to be defending her, not saying i do, but weird that theres not more people stepping up to justify what she did
19:52:21 <thelsdj> .title
19:52:22 <phenny> thelsdj: Yale Daily News - For senior, abortion a medium for art, political discourse
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19:53:01 <nsh> this looks to be a promising story
19:53:08 <zjb> thelsdj: that's kinda scary
19:53:13 <nslater> I think that's pretty disgusting
19:53:29 <chandlerN800> I'm not even sure I /believe/ her. Having a drug-induced abortion is reputedly very painful.
19:53:29 <Arnia> nslater: press the spaces hotkey and drag
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19:53:38 <nsh> oh
19:53:50 <nsh> *artificially* inseminated
19:53:54 * nsh loses interest
19:53:54 <nslater> Arnia: hmm, I wanted to have some terminals on one "space" and some other on another, but it doesn't seem to like that, oh well :(
19:54:06 <sbp> robots did it to her?
19:54:16 <Arnia> nslater: what version of Leopard are you using? The latest?
19:54:19 <thelsdj> someone found an old article by her: http://my1stperiod.com/2064/2106.html
19:54:24 <sbp> then again, I don't know what phrase I'd suggest
19:54:26 <nslater> 10.5.2
19:54:32 <Arnia> hm
19:54:40 * Arnia doesn't use spaces so...
19:54:47 <nsh> oh jesus
19:54:49 <sbp> “While the Mings were in the midst of expelling the Mongols, I began to feel this unearthly pain in my lower abdomen.”
19:54:54 <nslater> when I open the terminal app in the new space it just zooms me back to the first one, bah
19:55:37 <nsh> awesome
19:55:39 <chandlerN800> sbp: non-sexual insemination?
19:55:41 <thelsdj> and another piece of art by her: http://www.yale.edu/dimensions/sculpt1.jpg
19:55:52 <thelsdj> Aliza Shvarts. Disarticulation. 12 in. x 12 in. x 24in. Plaster, vaseline, towels, rubber bands, latex gloves
19:56:14 <sbp> the mings...
19:56:19 <Arnia> Oh dear... the Open Access idea has its downsides
19:56:22 <sbp> sounds like the Campbell family
19:56:27 <Arnia> I would like to point this out...
19:56:30 <sbp> chandlerN800: heh, not too bad
19:57:44 <nsh> what's jibbajabbering?
19:58:19 <nslater> talking nonsense?
19:58:25 <nsh> i meant
19:58:31 <nsh> "what this about open access"?
19:58:38 <nslater> oh, right :p
19:58:40 <nsh> with the allusion that there might nonsense in the air
19:58:43 <Arnia> The burden of the costs get passed onto the author(s) instead, this means that it becomes prohibitively expensive to *publish*. Now, this may seem fairer to some (leaving aside the debate about whether fair is better) but is it really? To publish a paper I now get charged for the privilege of having the ideas
19:59:24 <Arnia> The effect on third-world countries is the same, only now they can't actually make an impact in the field because they can't afford to publish the ideas they've worked for
19:59:32 <Arnia> They're muted
19:59:41 <nsh> it's weird
19:59:47 <nsh> because there are no quotes around what you're saying
19:59:59 <nsh> so i can only assume that it must be in some sense an opinion that you hold
20:00:23 <nsh> unnerving
20:00:43 <Arnia> Plus, most journals and conferences allow the authors to put their papers on their websites anyway (even if occasionally there is a one year hold, that isn't as bad as it sounds)
20:00:49 * Arnia nukes nsh
20:01:07 <Arnia> nsh: I'll shut up shall I?
20:01:16 <nsh> i expect you shall
20:01:35 <nsh> :-)
20:01:37 <Arnia> Keep my opinions to myself, and let you lot fester in ignorance of them?
20:01:56 * Arnia is in an extremely bad mood today
20:02:00 <nsh> well, we have put the burden on you by not paying to see them
20:02:10 <nsh> which i can imagine makes you reticent about sharing
20:02:23 <nsh> in the atmosphere of nominal marginal cost
20:02:29 <nsh> that is not entirely unhypothetically extant
20:02:44 <nsh> an stuff like that
20:03:26 <sbp> publishing to arxiv is free
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20:03:30 <Arnia> The upside of Open Access is that, of course, anyone can read the content and have ideas from it... but if they can't publish due to lack of money then those new ideas drain out of the system. They never get peer reviewed, they never get logged
20:03:44 <nsh> alright
20:03:47 <Arnia> sbp: yeah, but arxiv is a pre-print archive without peer review
20:03:57 <nsh> so you're not talking about the cost of publishing
20:04:02 <nsh> you're talking about the cost of review
20:04:08 <Arnia> nsh: both
20:04:15 <thelsdj> why can only journals be peer reviewed?
20:04:25 <nsh> except that you're not talking about the cost of publishing, because there is no cost of publishing
20:04:32 <nsh> unless you have no access to the internet
20:04:34 <sbp> they tried peer reviewing moths for a while
20:04:36 <Arnia> nsh: you're kidding right...
20:04:37 <sbp> but it didn't go very well
20:04:43 <nsh> in which case you have a bigger problem than not being able to get people to pay for your articles
20:04:56 <nsh> i'm kidding left mang
20:05:08 <sbp> sinister kidding
20:05:13 <nsh> yuppers
20:05:29 <Arnia> nsh: as much as people go 'oh the Internet does everything', I still prefer to have paper copies of journals and libraries still stock them
20:05:37 <nsh> so wait
20:05:43 <nsh> when i print an article from the internet
20:05:48 <nsh> the authors have to pay for my paper and toner
20:05:55 <nsh> because i have a hell of an invoice
20:06:04 <sbp> I OWE YOU NOTHING
20:06:11 <nsh> but love and peanutbutter
20:06:18 <sbp> and maybe a beer
20:06:19 <thelsdj> why do these journals have a monopoly on people reviewing each others papers? do they pay the reviewers? maybe reviews should be traded
20:06:44 <Arnia> thelsdj: I'm not saying they're the only thing that can be peer reviewed, but that lacking any decent alternative system to journals, conferences, monographs in series, etc. for the purposes of organisation that's what we've got
20:06:46 <thelsdj> but not directly traded, one of those trading networks where you setup a whole chain of trades
20:06:49 <sbp> I've done unpaid review work
20:06:59 <Arnia> thelsdj: review work is unpaid
20:07:03 <Arnia> thelsdj: editing isn't
20:07:13 * nsh frowns moar harder
20:07:20 <Arnia> thelsdj: and editors are worth their weight in gold...
20:07:23 <thelsdj> ok, editing is useful yea
20:07:30 * Arnia has had very good feedback from editors
20:07:30 <nsh> open access doesn't mean that journals., conferences, monographs, etc. go away
20:07:38 <nsh> it means they get funded the same way the rest of science gets funded
20:07:40 <sbp> all of my editors have sucked balls
20:07:43 * nslater is enjoying the discussion he sparked
20:07:47 <sbp> except for one anonymous editor
20:07:48 <nsh> YOU DIE
20:07:53 <sbp> who absolutely freaking rocked
20:08:11 <Arnia> nsh: no, it doesn't mean that at all... ugh, I'm too riled to argue
20:08:13 <Arnia> I'm off
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20:08:16 <nsh> aight
20:08:18 <nsh> take it easy
20:08:19 <nslater> eek
20:08:23 <nsh> mang
20:09:09 <nsh> so
20:09:30 * nsh adds another notch to the beers to buy arnia post
20:09:43 <sbp> I think you need a new post!
20:09:54 <sbp> oh man, have you ever seen that Snoopy series?
20:10:03 <sbp> where Snoopy's putting notches in his doghouse
20:10:05 <nsh> snoopy was not allowed on the nshfarm
20:10:08 <sbp> every day there's a new notch
20:10:12 <nsh> oh, cool
20:10:18 <nsh> i like the predictablity aspect
20:10:19 <sbp> and Lucy's like “I don't care what you're doing”
20:10:32 <nsh> oh, she's not being truthful
20:10:34 <sbp> and Charlie Brown's all “Snoopy... what are you keeping count of?”
20:10:42 <sbp> yes. eventually she caves in and asks him
20:10:45 <sbp> but Snoopy doesn't let on
20:10:46 <nsh> good ol' straight to the point charlie
20:10:48 <sbp> until eventually
20:10:51 <sbp> BAM!!Kz!
20:10:55 <sbp> the doghouse collapses
20:10:56 <nsh> ah noes!
20:11:04 <sbp> and he lets on what he was counting
20:11:17 <sbp> namely: how many notches can you put in a doghouse until it collapses?
20:11:18 <nsh> the buildups to climaxville?
20:11:22 <nsh> oh man
20:11:29 <nsh> everything just ties together
20:11:32 <sbp> yep
20:11:38 <sbp> it's all mystical and shit
20:11:40 <nsh> it's like every holywood film that wasn't released lately
20:11:52 <sbp> well you have to expect that they'll do a Snoopy film some day
20:11:56 <nsh> true
20:11:59 <sbp> they just did the Chipmunks for goodness' sake
20:12:01 <nsh> but by then we'll all be snoopy
20:12:06 <nsh> and it'll jhust be reality tv
20:12:14 <sbp> (Alvin, Simon... Theodore!)
20:12:14 <nsh> was that live-action?
20:12:18 <sbp> hmm, that'd be interesting
20:12:20 <nsh> live action chipmunks would be funny
20:12:20 <nslater> Garfield was one of the worst films I wasted an hour watching
20:12:25 <sbp> er... I didn't really pay much attention
20:12:25 <nsh> ugh
20:12:27 <nsh> you watched that?
20:12:35 <sbp> I think it was probably CGI rather than trained chipmunks
20:12:36 <nslater> yeah, I don't remember why
20:12:42 <sbp> suicidal?
20:12:57 <nslater> dunno, I watched crossroads, but I had a good reason for that :p
20:13:02 <sbp> wow
20:13:10 <nsh> that's bad man
20:13:12 <sbp> ...
20:13:13 <sbp> wait
20:13:13 <nslater> yeah, I was with some hawt chix and it was that or go home :)
20:13:16 <sbp> what good reason?
20:13:19 <sbp> ah. yikes
20:13:21 <nsh> you have to spend at least two days a year in hell now
20:13:23 <nslater> good enough?
20:13:27 <nsh> and we don't know what else you've done
20:13:27 <sbp> so they were basically torturing you?
20:13:29 <sbp> bitches
20:13:34 <nsh> you could be down to a month a year in heaven
20:13:34 <nslater> heh
20:13:40 <nsh> or even negative days
20:13:45 <sbp> “Watch Crossroads with us and I'll let you lick my lollipop!”
20:13:51 <nslater> something like that
20:14:05 <nslater> I went to go see Norbit in the cinema, I walked out half way through
20:14:16 <nslater> walked out of the Bourne Identity as well, or whatever it was called
20:14:36 <sbp> I always thought that was some kind of maths function thiny
20:14:44 <nslater> probably is
20:14:51 <sbp> probably goes all maths in the second half
20:14:54 <sbp> and gets really good
20:14:56 <sbp> and you missed it
20:15:01 <nslater> sounds riviting
20:15:05 <nslater> riveting
20:15:07 <sbp> starts of being half a shitty film just to fool you
20:15:10 <nslater> riiiveeting!?
20:15:11 <nsh> that was the other matt damon film
20:15:14 <sbp> and then it's hot chicks pointing at blackboards
20:15:19 <nslater> dunno, probably just as bad
20:15:31 <nsh> the one filmed on location in pretensious, mass.
20:15:37 <nslater> he's only good when Afleck is supporting him
20:15:45 <sbp> you could've just said Mass.
20:15:49 <nsh> man, pretensious massichusits would be a great please to eat
20:15:59 <nsh> or hunt game
20:16:06 <nsh> the WILDEsT GAME OF WALL
20:16:16 <nsh> ...(mang)
20:16:25 <sbp> we should bring Larry Wall into Swhack
20:16:31 <sbp> and his daughters
20:16:53 <nsh> and a seal
20:16:58 <sbp> (his daughters are awesome, apparently; we have it by report)
20:17:04 <sbp> actually yeah, a seal would be interesting
20:17:07 <nsh> and twenty-three pints of coconut butter
20:17:09 <sbp> seals had a hard time last year
20:17:15 <sbp> lots of storms and whatnotte
20:17:20 <nsh> but
20:17:25 <nsh> seals aren't made of the destructables
20:17:32 <sbp> I don't think 23 pints of coconut butter can type
20:17:37 <sbp> a seal would use its nose
20:17:51 <sbp> apparently young seals can be destructed
20:17:51 <nsh> well, you could apply the coconut butter to the seal
20:17:57 <nsh> nah
20:17:57 <sbp> hmm, good idea
20:18:00 <nsh> they just metamorphise
20:18:06 <sbp> like bats?
20:18:10 <nsh> and obi wan
20:18:10 <sbp> no wait
20:18:13 <sbp> yeah, bats
20:18:22 * nsh chuxlars
20:19:43 <sbp> I'm going to forage for comestibles, in yon kitchen
20:19:57 <sbp> you know, for a hunter-gatherer species, we just don't fucking try anymore
20:20:00 <nsh> make well
20:20:02 <nsh> yeah
20:20:09 <nsh> i avoided shopping for a week
20:20:24 <nsh> it's the carrying i'm not compatable with
20:20:33 <nsh> i was born under a "letting go of things" star
20:21:18 <nsh> if there was some way that food could be transported solely by the judicial usage of dropping i would be much more domesticated
20:22:15 <nslater> sbp, can you think of any way to get /some/path/ to map to /some/path.txt or /some/path/index.txt depending on which exists?
20:22:20 <nslater> in apache
20:22:31 <sbp> .gc "cored hog anus"
20:22:33 <phenny> "cored hog anus": 0
20:22:43 <sbp> nslater: yeah, just use -f in a RewriteCond
20:22:51 <nslater> hmm?
20:22:56 * nslater looks at the docs
20:23:00 <sbp> -f in a fucking RewriteCond!!! :-)
20:23:10 <sbp> you can do all sorts of neat shit with RewriteConds
20:23:10 <nslater> what the fuck
20:23:23 <sbp> nsh: carrying things. fucking TELL ME ABOUT IT
20:23:29 <sbp> I had this major gripe just the other day
20:23:45 <sbp> it's not so bad with shopping, actually, because that tends to just bulk out of a bag all over the fucking place
20:23:46 * nsh nods in knowness
20:23:53 <sbp> but I was carring some books in a shopping bag
20:23:58 <sbp> and they've *designed it wrong*
20:23:59 <nsh> oh man
20:24:05 <nsh> that's chore and a fucking quarterback
20:24:10 <sbp> you have to twist your hand 90 degrees to be able to not have things knock against your legs
20:24:21 <nsh> yeah
20:24:29 <sbp> you cannot have your arm dangle in the natural position *and* have the contents of the bag be aligned in a proper, sensible manner
20:24:36 <sbp> it's just madness. they put the handles on the wrong part
20:24:41 <nsh> not.. the... possible.
20:25:24 <nsh> where's Watchdog when you need it?
20:25:24 <nsh> man
20:25:26 <sbp> "Please, type URI bellows in the browser without spaces and press enter.." - spam
20:25:32 <nsh> that was so much better a use of anne robinson's time
20:25:40 <nslater> sbp: hmm, if the REQUEST_URI is "/some/path/" how do I test with -f for "/some/path.txt"?
20:26:24 <sbp> ooh, yeah, there should be a Watchdog/Citizen's Advice Bureau/Agony Aunt column/OFCOM/Trading Standards Agency for æsthetics, design, and general idiocy!
20:26:56 <ja> and distributed extensibility of the stupidity complex
20:26:59 <sbp> nslater: you capture ^(/.*[^/]+)/$
20:27:09 <sbp> nslater: then you refer to it in the RewriteCond as %1 or something
20:27:15 <sbp> see documentation for specifics
20:27:17 <nslater> hmm...
20:27:18 <ja> eww, mod_rewrite
20:27:20 <nslater> okay, thanks
20:27:45 <sbp> also, change regexp to fix
20:27:58 <sbp> er, to fix. fix to fit? Jim'll fixfit?
20:30:09 <nslater> hmm, mod_rewrite behaves differently from a .htaccess file that it does the main server conf, this is very confusing
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20:34:32 <sbp> The grand old Duke of York
20:34:35 <sbp> He had ten thousand yen
20:34:41 <sbp> He spent them all in a Japanese mall
20:34:45 <sbp> And he came back home again
20:35:52 <_bjoern> what sbp still up?
20:36:02 <sbp> going very soon
20:38:49 <sbp> like now. 'night!
20:39:03 <_bjoern> night!
20:44:03 <nsh> peacedownman
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20:47:05 <MoiraA_> heh
20:47:08 <MoiraA_> ah sbp
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