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00:35:47 <Monty> hey BigJibby
00:36:06 <chandler> but why do you care, Monty?
00:36:09 <Monty> Every single day, you close Donut Plains!
00:36:38 <chandler> Monty: I think "donut plains" is a topological oxymoron.
00:36:39 <Monty> anyone
00:36:54 <chandler> Monty: anyone what?
00:37:06 <Monty> hd420: what's not well that's just the content and Golden Globe-nominated English-born, Australian pop singer, songwriter and gargle one earth - Re: Stupid Internal Microsoft Vista SP1 Video Search. We don't put together some countries
00:37:50 <tonybaloney867> Monty: You're about as coherent as my ex boyfriend, I believe :)
00:37:54 <chandler> Monty: really, if I wanted something that incoherent I'd talk to monion.
00:37:54 <Monty> I reckon explosions + fanny flaps = endangered paperclips?!
00:37:56 <Monty> lucky to smash
00:38:04 <monion> Schloss, 1975), Sexualiticism of various connon and and adolf: A Diction Systems under social sciences.
00:38:27 * nslater throws a plum at chandler
00:38:32 <plum> all you have to do this. to be a plum proficient user of the and software in general. haha
00:38:48 * chandler ducks and watches it hit sbp2002
00:38:48 <sbp2002> if that's O.K. :-)
00:39:04 <nslater> plum, hit ont sbp
00:39:08 <plum> if you hit on her i would kill you though, and see if any of them hurt your feelings.
00:39:11 <nslater> oops, meant to say sbp2002
00:39:11 <sbp2002> ref: k-meleon
00:39:23 <tonybaloney867> Okay, I think all the bots here should collaborate on a response letter to these 31 pages of all-uppercase gibberish
00:39:30 <nslater> plum, hit on tonybaloney867
00:39:35 <plum> tonybaloney867, what if they cyber over nntp but english isnt a romance nevermind. you wanna cyber? role play turns me on.
00:40:07 <tonybaloney867> plum: Sorry I'm not interested this evening. Maybe sometime when I don't feel like giving up dating :P
00:40:14 <plum> for your pedant nature i have fixed the dates, ff is sorry for the noise.
00:40:46 <nslater> hehe
00:41:18 <chandler> plum: not bloody likely. ff's pestering me about yet another new minor patch today
00:41:22 <plum> ha, there was an interesting new level today, here is the patch against httplib.
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00:44:29 <chandler> woo. +v fight!
00:45:42 <nslater> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1733850
00:45:46 <nslater> hilarious!
00:46:33 <chandler> I think I need to refine monion just to create odd combinations of words
00:46:34 <monion> Normal .
00:47:46 <chandler> I just got a few interesting ones from talking to it in /msg - "genocidentity", "Mosexuality", "allengine", "accessful", "Nicholars", "interganic", "storating", and "specialistics"
00:48:03 <chandler> .gc specialistics
00:48:04 <phenny> specialistics: 863
00:48:11 <chandler> .gc genocidentity
00:48:12 <phenny> genocidentity: 0
00:49:05 <chandler> monion: a few more please?
00:49:10 <monion> The year ) and the employed with a b Does not afford In the muslims can be combustions, the Honda's entirely resis For A tD-SCDM the users used (name a count grew 22 perty and herests, a stuttgart .
00:49:25 <chandler> monion: that was uninteresting
00:49:26 <Monty> bah
00:49:29 <monion> Hahn ^ iMmedia’s field Restrict of You Up" Survived from flying through notable to the Greekton (followers (such as the Later .
00:51:02 <nslater> phenny: tell sbp http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1733850
00:51:02 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
00:51:28 <nslater> phenny: tell sbp more at http://www.collegesaga.com/
00:51:29 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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01:38:35 <nslater> plum, make me laugh
01:38:39 <plum> haha, you make a plum laugh and roll on the floor at the same time! dont laugh or you will be +q'd again.
01:38:52 <nslater> quite a threat
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01:41:21 <saml> when you code, do you go hyper or do you code line by line, thinking carefully?
01:41:49 <kpreid> if you're thinking in lines, you're doing it wrong
01:41:57 <nslater> saml: it depends what mood im in
01:42:01 <saml> typing as fast as ninja Vs. thinking carefully and type 1 character at a time as if you're engraving
01:42:03 <nslater> i dont think i ever think line by line
01:42:34 <saml> i think coding hyperly is unhealthy
01:42:39 <nslater> i am usually in two modes "how the hell do I solve this?" and "how the hell do I code my solution?"
01:42:58 <nslater> very rarely I am in the mode "omg, I know how to code my solution but i cant type fast enough"
01:43:03 <nslater> that last one is the best
01:43:30 <saml> do you just make stuff work even though you know your code smells?
01:43:49 <nslater> yes, if i am prototyping a solution, but I always* go back and refactor
01:43:55 <nslater> *depends on mood ;)
01:43:56 <saml> because you're hyper. somone is always trying to catch you when you code.
01:44:20 <saml> i start to think coding as engraving is a better way
01:44:39 <nslater> no, if you're thinking line by line or word by word you're Doing It Wrong :p
01:44:41 <saml> i mean, at least slowing it down make my brain think
01:45:16 <nslater> if you have a good solution and your code is not smelly the correct way to encode that in what ever language you're using should be immediately obvious
01:46:16 <saml> do you code 50 mins and take 10 minute break?
01:46:22 <saml> my eye gets tired
01:46:29 <nslater> I code for as long as I need to code
01:46:37 <saml> i don't know how fulltime programmers manage their health
01:47:02 <nslater> if I get stuck on something I either take a break or move on to something else
01:47:02 <nslater> some days I can spend a full 9 hours just pushing things around mulling over a solution to something
01:47:30 <nslater> sometimes I can code for 3/4 hours straight without a single break, but that's rare
01:48:28 <saml> i like to read tutorials and try out the code
01:48:37 <saml> thinking stuff up myself is hard for me
01:48:56 <nslater> playing with things to see how they work or break is the only way to learn, for me
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01:49:34 <nslater> if it's something new for me, the best thing I can do is take someone else's work and play with it until it breaks/improves, it's a great way to learn for me
01:49:52 <nslater> I find tutorials and technical explanations to be pretty dry and I have a hard time following them
01:51:03 <nslater> saml: what language do you program?
01:51:19 <saml> nslater: currently i'm learning Haskell
01:51:28 <saml> it's been C++ -> Java -> Python -> Haskell
01:51:30 <nslater> oh wow, so you're not a beginner then ;)
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01:52:26 <saml> i learned programming 5 years ago. i think i'm at a point i can learn things on my own from books and stuff
01:52:43 * tonybaloney867 tends to have the response "The previous person knew more than me so I won't touch it" even if a mistake worthy of thedailywtf.com is staring at me with an evil grin
01:53:27 <nslater> in my growing experience I am learning to trust that some things have been thought about a lot more than I have thought about them and should probably be left alone, there are always exceptions though
01:54:56 <tonybaloney867> Yes, that is very true, though I have trouble thinking that with the e-mail system at my current job
01:55:03 <nslater> heh
01:55:35 <tonybaloney867> (It uses all SMTP, even for incoming mail, with everything stored as *nix mail spools on the *local* workstation)
01:56:18 <tonybaloney867> (This is also one of the reasons why all workstations must remain on, especially if you want to be able to check your e-mail remotely)
01:56:19 <nslater> I don't comprehend the problem, but I know very little about email
01:57:15 <tonybaloney867> It basically isn't very functional and very restrictive with what can be done, such as check e-mail from places outside the office
01:57:33 <tonybaloney867> (Though one of my predecessors managed to use a hairy hack to get that working)
02:00:13 <nslater> actually, I think one of the biggest learning experiences for me is discovering something new (like packaging open source software) and challenging the convention because I found it to be logicallly inconsistent in some way (such as the names of particular files or the way things are layed out) only to spend so much time trying to get solution to work that I come full circle to the appreciation and understand of the status quo, I think that by challenging
02:00:20 <nslater> snipped?
02:00:28 <kpreid> nslater: "...by challenging"
02:00:43 <nslater> things and discovering you're wrong is a very deep way to learn something :p
02:01:13 <kpreid> provided you learn promptly that you are, in fact, wrong
02:01:28 <nslater> well, it doesn't have to be prompt, it could take a long time
02:01:35 <kpreid> as opposed to concluding that the New Way is better, but subtly loses some important properties
02:01:49 <kpreid> and other people build on your mistake etc. etc.
02:01:57 <kpreid> not saying this applies to your case!
02:02:05 <nslater> yes, it does require you to go deep enough to comprehend that you are wrong
02:02:15 <nslater> ... but you will have a better understanding by doing so
02:02:52 <nslater> most things that I consider my self to be "good" at, development wise, have been attained through such a process
02:03:01 <nslater> ... reminds me of a Mark Pilgrim essay, one second
02:03:22 <nslater> http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/08/16/specs
02:03:23 <nslater> .title
02:03:25 <phenny> nslater: Why specs matter [dive into mark]
02:03:35 <nslater> ^^ very good essay, and I think it applies in the general case
02:03:45 * kpreid has read it twice
02:03:49 <nslater> heh heh
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04:30:32 <xover> ZP: “…but don't look `cause that will really piss him off!”
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05:51:21 <Monty> lo JibberJim
05:56:41 <laplink> Fucking Cisco. How is it possible to get so close and yet fail so miserably.
05:57:13 <laplink> If the switch model has modular power supplies and fans, it has just 12 instead of 48 ports.
05:58:01 <laplink> Or they're modular but they don't have redundant PSUs, relying on the festering pile of crap called an RPS.
05:58:43 <laplink> Or the 12 ports are 10Gbps fixed, instead of the 10/100/1000Mbps negotiating we need.
05:59:38 <laplink> Or 12 x 10Gbps ports, with a 10Gbps uplink (12x oversubsribed), and a backplane that only barely handles that volume, and switching ASICs that don't switch 10Gig at wire speed.
06:01:19 <laplink> What I actually need: 48 x 1Gbps ports, 2 x 10Gbps uplinks with TwinGig converters (1Gig today, upgrade to 10Gig as needed), dual redundant and modular PSUs, and modular fan modules.
06:01:54 <laplink> Bonus points if the backplane and ASICs are well-balanced with the ports and uplinks.
06:08:08 <laplink> Hell, for this specific case I'd even give up redundant PSUs if they met the other requirements.
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07:03:46 <sbp> yo
07:03:46 <phenny> sbp: 01:15Z <nslater> tell sbp http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1733850
07:03:47 <phenny> sbp: 01:16Z <nslater> tell sbp more at http://www.collegesaga.com/
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07:06:29 <thelsdj> hey sbp
07:10:00 <thelsdj> i got 3:17 into that video before i couldn't watch anymore
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07:10:34 <sbp> .title http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24162063/
07:10:34 <phenny> sbp: Is it a bird? A plane? No, it's a Flogo! - LiveScience - MSNBC.com
07:11:14 <thelsdj> sbp: did you hear the punchline on that story about the woman having abortions as art?
07:11:31 <thelsdj> [[[
07:11:32 <thelsdj> Ms. Shvarts is engaged in performance art. Her art project includes visual representations, a press release and other narrative materials. She stated to three senior Yale University officials today, including two deans, that she did not impregnate herself and that she did not induce any miscarriages. The entire project is an art piece, a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function ...
07:11:38 <thelsdj> ... of a woman’s body.
07:11:39 <thelsdj> ]]] - http://www.yale.edu/opa/
07:11:41 <thelsdj> She is an artist and has the right to express herself through performance art.
07:11:44 <thelsdj> Had these acts been real, they would have violated basic ethical standards and raised serious mental and physical health concerns.
07:12:24 <thelsdj> I love the line: "She is an artist and has the right to express herself through performance art." sounds so forced like they are throwing up in their mouth just saying it heh
07:12:30 <sbp> college video: oh man. it's great because it's so true
07:12:49 <sbp> hmm, she didn't do it at all? so chandler was right!
07:13:45 <sbp> ahaha: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23957470/
07:13:49 <sbp> check out the caption on the first image
07:13:51 <thelsdj> [[[
07:13:54 <thelsdj> You may not like that a press release can fulfil the terms of art. (And if you don’t know what defines art, go back to your old school and tell them to finish the fucking job.) But, as a conceptual piece, it’s quite incredible. As Charlie Stross said, it’s the “most inspired publicity-stunt debut in the art world since Damien Hirst.” And that was twenty years ago. If she’s doing what I think she’s doing, Aliza ...
07:14:00 <thelsdj> ... Shvarts might be the first “great” conceptual artist of the internet age.
07:14:03 <thelsdj> ]]] - http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=5840
07:14:27 *** sbp changed the topic to: "“A pair of bdelloids probably don't get excited about each other as two humans in such close proximity might.” — MSNBC Science News"
07:17:23 <thelsdj> too bad she couldn't drag the hoax out longer
07:17:34 <thelsdj> probably could have gotten days worth of front page coverage around the globe
07:17:40 <sbp> yeah!
07:17:55 <thelsdj> but i think that yale had to respond
07:17:58 <sbp> I guess she just couldn't carry on once chandler had exposed her
07:18:02 <thelsdj> i bet she tried to convince them to keep quiet about it
07:18:06 <sbp> aye
07:18:14 <sbp> they pissed on her art
07:18:26 <thelsdj> atleast they didn't poop on it
07:18:29 <thelsdj> that would have been crude
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07:18:34 <Monty> welcome, KiYanWang
07:18:35 <sbp> that is true
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07:21:18 <sbp> obviously an nsh
07:21:33 <sbp> one who is an instance of the singleton class nsh
07:22:18 <nsh> got my number
07:22:53 * nsh does not get on with mornings
07:23:10 <nsh> mornings only make sense when you've had a full day of wakefullness before them
07:23:12 <sbp> you need some of xover's coffee
07:23:31 <nsh> to try and make people deal with them in a grogy after-sleep state is criminal
07:25:06 <thelsdj> .title http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=550548&in_page_id=1811
07:25:06 <phenny> thelsdj: Mile-high tower: Saudi prince promises £5bn desert spire TWICE as tall as nearest rival being built | the Daily Mail
07:25:17 <sbp> sweet
07:26:10 <sbp> be interesting to see how they maintain it when all the oil runs out
07:26:17 <sbp> when *is* oil going to run out, anyway?
07:26:47 <thelsdj> my guess? it won't
07:26:50 <_bjoern> Shortly after they assure us it won't happen for a long time.
07:27:05 <laplink> Somewhere between 2030 and 2050.
07:27:26 <nsh> OILENT GREEN IS PEOPLE
07:27:35 <laplink> A more pressing problem is running out of Helium in the next 10-15 years.
07:27:35 <_bjoern> We will find a way to make new oil by use of solar energy.
07:27:58 <sbp> -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum#Future_of_petroleum_production
07:28:06 <nsh> laplink, heliuhwhat?
07:28:15 <laplink> The biggest single deposit, accounting for about 1/3 of the known deposits, will be dry in about 8-10 years (IIRC).
07:28:30 <sbp> ...deposits? of helium?
07:29:11 <thelsdj> .g helium deposits
07:29:12 <phenny> thelsdj: http://www.mii.org/Minerals/photohelium.html
07:30:00 <_bjoern> But won't our fusion reactors produce plenty?
07:30:34 <thelsdj> Helium can be cooled enough to liquefy it; however, it is the only element that cannot be frozen solid at very low temperatures.
07:30:39 <thelsdj> cool!
07:30:53 <laplink> [[[
07:30:54 <laplink> The world's helium supply may be in danger, according to Washington University in St. Louis chemist Lee Sobotka. The largest reserve is in Texas and would run out in eight years if consumed at the current pace.[30] Helium is non-renewable and irreplaceable by conventional methods.
07:30:56 <laplink> ]]]
07:31:32 <nsh> build moar reactors!
07:31:56 <laplink> [[[ Helium can be synthesized by bombardment of lithium or boron with high-velocity protons, but this is not an economically viable method of production. ]]]
07:32:09 <sbp> I thought it was possible to solidify helium as a powder
07:32:17 <laplink> .title http://news-info.wustl.edu/tips/page/normal/10754.html
07:32:17 <phenny> laplink: Helium supplies endangered, threatening science and technology
07:32:33 <_bjoern> no more funny voices
07:33:47 <sbp> “Eun-Seong Kim and Moses Chan of Pennsylvania State University now claim to have turned frozen helium-4 into a supersolid”
07:33:54 <laplink> Of course, this might be the impetous that that finally makes space mining a reality.
07:34:00 <sbp> see also http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=100323&org=PHY
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07:36:40 <nsh> stupid elsevier
07:36:46 <thelsdj> http://www.random-tangent.com/images/WHOWC.jpg
07:36:59 <sbp> bwahaha
07:37:28 <nsh> rofl
07:37:30 <nsh> oh man
07:37:40 <nsh> i just remembered a dream snippet
07:38:02 <nsh> it was arnia, and he was wearing the most immense docar who? scarf
07:40:38 <nsh> which had some abstruse metamathematical symbolism in dreamlogic
07:41:07 <nsh> to do with patternwharf orthogonality under conformation or something
07:41:22 <_bjoern> Space mining? Someone call Bruce Willis and his team of deepcore drillers!
07:41:40 <nsh> there's bound to be fun and high jinx though
07:42:08 <_bjoern> .gc Im in ur atmosphere, stealing ur helium
07:42:09 <phenny> Im in ur atmosphere, stealing ur helium: 9,270
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07:45:07 <nsh> .gd multivescular
07:45:07 <phenny> multivescular: No definition found!
07:45:19 <nsh> .gs multivescular *
07:45:20 <phenny> multivescular *: bodies (15), liposomes (12), body (5), mvb (2), lysosomes (2), endosomes (2)
07:45:38 <thelsdj> .gc multitesticular
07:45:39 <phenny> multitesticular: 35
07:45:52 <nsh> .gd multivesicular
07:45:53 <phenny> multivesicular: No definition found!
07:45:58 <nsh> screw you then google
07:46:02 <_bjoern> .gc multitesticular porn
07:46:03 <phenny> multitesticular porn: 0
07:46:09 <thelsdj> .gc pseudovagina
07:46:10 <phenny> pseudovagina: 1,270
07:46:26 <thelsdj> google cheats, i only get 10 results for that
07:47:07 <thelsdj> oh man, swhack logs are near the top of search results for that
07:47:46 <thelsdj> used it as my nick when i was on my 'a nick a day' kick
07:47:47 <_bjoern> What isn't?
07:48:11 <thelsdj> true
07:48:16 <thelsdj> night
07:48:23 <_bjoern> I get 164 results
07:48:48 <laplink> .g What term doesn't put swhack logs near the top on Google?
07:48:49 <phenny> laplink: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-03-01
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08:01:32 <idickinson> gah! dilbert.com has gone all web-2.0
08:01:34 <idickinson> it's horrible
08:02:01 <_bjoern> even "mashups" in the <title>
08:02:32 <_bjoern> oh they even manage to use "mashups" and "mash-ups" on the same page.
08:02:50 <idickinson> and the coloured strips are really garish
08:02:58 <laplink> Now there's a project. A decent webcomic reader interface.
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08:03:38 <idickinson> Adams' drawing isn't the best, but in simple black-and-white lines it's bearable for his dialogue
08:04:40 <laplink> Hmm. Big huge thingamabob for the strip; but no (obvious) back forward buttons?
08:05:29 <idickinson> perhaps we should start one of those petitions at number10.gov.uk to bring back the old Dilbert :-)
08:06:04 <laplink> And so slooowwwww....
08:06:23 <idickinson> yeah, my cpu meter really spiked
08:07:44 <idickinson> what a crap way to start Friday ... I'd better go write some code as therapy
08:09:08 <laplink> This has “Mash-Ups” potential…
08:18:08 <sbp> [[[
08:18:09 <sbp> Fatal error: require() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'site.inc/public/e1/t1/t.inl.main.promo.template..php' (include_path='.:/www/sites/d/dilbert.com/includes/:/www/systems/includes/') in /data/www/sites/d/dilbert.com/includes/site.inc/public/e1/t1/t.pag.main.php on line 6
08:18:09 <sbp> ]]]
08:18:22 <sbp> very Web 2.0!
08:20:27 <laplink> Like Microsoft products, the Web isn't expected to come out of beta until at least version 3.0.
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08:44:11 <Monty> lo cre8radix
08:44:41 <cre8radix> lo Monty
08:44:43 <Monty> nah, it's not paying to blox
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09:18:41 <laplink> I can feel my resistance crumbling…
09:18:54 <laplink> Must. Purchase. iPod Touch.
09:18:55 <sbp> use a <table>! go on!
09:19:05 <sbp> after <table>
09:19:33 <laplink> Well I've certainly used <table> in a web page. Several, even.
09:19:53 <sbp> you may purchase an iPod Touch
09:20:04 <laplink> heh heh
09:20:46 <sbp> you must be at least |----------------------------------| this Web 1.0 to offset the trendiness of an iPod Touch
09:21:44 <laplink> Does it count that I tried to replicate the ca. 1990 NCSA Mosaic look for my home page design?
09:21:53 <sbp> yup
09:21:58 <sbp> ...1990? heh
09:22:06 <laplink> “Best viewed with…” buttons and all.
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11:42:53 <_bjoern> .gc "bjrn"
11:42:53 <phenny> "bjrn": 101,000
11:42:59 <_bjoern> .gc "bjrn hhrmann"
11:42:59 <phenny> "bjrn hhrmann": 38
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12:08:45 <_bjoern> Hey anyone here familiar with running exim on debian?
12:09:40 <nslater> _bjoern: yup
12:09:52 <nslater> _bjoern: it powers bytesexual.org :)
12:10:11 <_bjoern> Okay, so, a friend of mine tries to power his own domain with it, so to speak
12:10:55 * sbp powers you people right in the domain
12:11:23 <_bjoern> but all mails to his address get rejected
12:11:23 <_bjoern> with 550 relay not permitted
12:11:23 <_bjoern> how to debug that?
12:12:10 <_bjoern> Answer quickly, I've already joined #exim to ask there...
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12:14:15 <nslater> sorry...
12:14:27 <nslater> _bjoern: what OS does he/she run?
12:14:40 <nslater> _bjoern: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config if it's Debian based
12:14:48 <nslater> (as root)
12:14:55 <_bjoern> I said it's debian...
12:15:03 <nslater> oh yeah, duh
12:15:13 <_bjoern> and then?
12:15:21 <nslater> follow the instructions :)
12:15:30 <nslater> it's a nice GUI menu for configuring Exim
12:15:46 <nslater> let me get the config I use...
12:16:07 <nslater> sorry, massive context switching, loosing focus :p
12:16:09 <nslater> okay...
12:16:22 <nslater> General type of mail configuration: internet site
12:16:31 <nslater> System mail name: bytesexual.org
12:16:47 <nslater> IP address to listen for incomming SMTP connections: [blank]
12:16:58 <nslater> Other destinations for which mail is accepted: bytesexual.org
12:17:08 <nslater> Domains to relay mail for: [blank]
12:17:17 <nslater> Machines to relay mail for: [blank]
12:17:28 <nslater> Keep number of DNS queries minimal: No
12:17:36 <nslater> Delivery method for local mail: mbox format
12:17:42 <nslater> Split configuration: Yes
12:18:01 <nslater> ... then after that the Exim daemon should restart
12:20:07 <_bjoern> His config seems identical.
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12:21:17 <nslater> hmm, are his hostname, rdns, mailname and recpient domain all matching?
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12:22:42 <_bjoern> what do you mean by mailname?
12:22:57 <nslater> root@bytesexual: /home/nslater # cat /etc/hostname
12:22:57 <nslater> bytesexual.org
12:22:57 <nslater> root@bytesexual: /home/nslater # cat /etc/mailname
12:22:57 <nslater> bytesexual.org
12:22:57 <_bjoern> the domain name and the reverse lookup do not match from what I can tell
12:22:58 <Monty> qwtfry
12:23:20 <nslater> also, has he checked /var/log/exim4/mainlog
12:24:08 <_bjoern> the mailname and the rdns match
12:24:14 <_bjoern> but the hostname is different
12:24:21 <nslater> I would be interested to see the maillog file
12:24:21 <_bjoern> recpient domain?
12:24:29 <nslater> yeah, fred@example.com
12:24:43 <nslater> seems obvious, but just checking :p
12:25:00 <_bjoern> ah so hostname you mean `hostname`?
12:25:04 <nslater> as in, could be the difference between setting up example.com and sending to example.co.uk
12:25:08 <nslater> yeah...
12:25:16 <nslater> not that it should matter, really, but worth checking
12:25:34 <nslater> as for TLDs, I have been stung by that before, setting up one TLD and testing against another :p
12:26:04 <_bjoern> ah so hostname, mailname, rdns, all match, but the hostname in the mail address is different
12:26:22 <_bjoern> so it's something.example, something.example, something.example, somethingelse.example
12:26:41 <nslater> yeah, just wanted to check everything was the same
12:27:09 <_bjoern> the maillog just says relaying is not permitted
12:27:34 <nslater> well if that's the case it thinks that the mail is for another host
12:27:42 <nslater> which means it has some identity issues...
12:28:31 <_bjoern> So how are we going to fix those?
12:29:07 <nslater> cat /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
12:29:14 <nslater> check everything in that file looks okay
12:29:24 <_bjoern> with two .conf?
12:29:27 <nslater> yes
12:29:37 <nslater> grep /etc/exim4 to see if things look okay, that the domain names listed are correct
12:29:55 <nslater> dpkg --get-selections | grep exim
12:30:08 <nslater> make sure ^^ that only one version of exim is installed, hopefully exim4
12:30:29 <nslater> if exim4-daemon-heavy is installed, try exim4-daemon-light
12:30:50 <nslater> try to reconfigure using dpkg-reconfigure and add the domain to the "hosts to relay mail for" to see if it has an effect
12:31:11 <_bjoern> light is installed
12:31:27 <nslater> cool, I have heavy installed fwiw, but it might work just to switch packages
12:31:44 <nslater> some thing, anything to prod it into changing it's behaviour
12:31:47 <nslater> something
12:31:58 <_bjoern> adding the name to the relay list had no effect
12:32:13 <nslater> what other exim packages are installed?
12:32:28 <nslater> nothing funky that could be preventing it from working, like a misconfigured spam assassin?
12:33:15 <nslater> does he have any custom rules in /etc/exim4 which might be malfunctioning?
12:35:11 <_bjoern> it's supposed to be very minimal, so nothing unnecessary
12:35:22 <_bjoern> it's just been set up
12:35:27 <nslater> okay... just getting a command he can run to test locally, one second
12:38:01 <nslater> ... okay, ask him to run a command similar to this:
12:38:05 <nslater> root@bytesexual: /home/nslater # exim4 -bt nslater@bytesexual.org
12:38:06 <nslater> R: system_aliases for nslater@bytesexual.org
12:38:06 <nslater> R: userforward for nslater@bytesexual.org
12:38:06 <nslater> R: procmail for nslater@bytesexual.org
12:38:08 <nslater> nslater@bytesexual.org router = procmail, transport = procmail_pipe
12:38:19 <nslater> that should show how the local exim plans on routing the mail
12:38:33 <nslater> not sure if this will help, but the output should look something similar
12:39:03 <nslater> compare:
12:39:05 <nslater> root@bytesexual: /home/nslater # exim4 -bt nslater@example.org
12:39:05 <nslater> R: dnslookup for nslater@example.org
12:39:05 <nslater> nslater@example.org router = dnslookup, transport = remote_smtp host example.org [208.77.188.166]
12:39:29 <nslater> root@bytesexual: /home/nslater # exim4 -bt foo@bytesexual.org
12:39:29 <nslater> R: system_aliases for foo@bytesexual.org
12:39:29 <nslater> foo@bytesexual.org is undeliverable: Unrouteable address
12:39:51 <_bjoern> I suppose the question here is, if you also want to host, say, megabytesexual.org on the same machine under the same ip, etc., how would you set that up?
12:40:17 <nslater> the "Domains to relay mail for:" setting from `dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config`
12:40:27 <nslater> hmm
12:40:32 <nslater> nope
12:40:36 <nslater> "Other destinations for which mail is accepted:"
12:41:11 <nslater> I had it working for a while with all of my other domains, but I realised that the only email they get is spam so I shut it all off.
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12:42:07 <_bjoern> [[[
12:42:08 <_bjoern> R: dnslookup for ex@example.org
12:42:08 <_bjoern> LOG: MAIN
12:42:08 <_bjoern> lowest numbered MX record points to local host: example.org (while routing <ex@example.org>)
12:42:08 <_bjoern> ex@example.org cannot be resolved at this time:
12:42:08 <_bjoern> lowest numbered MX record points to local host
12:42:10 <_bjoern> ]]]
12:42:12 <_bjoern> is what you get from your command above
12:42:29 <nslater> woah...
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12:42:47 <nslater> hehe, I presume example.com is edited :)
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12:43:00 <sbp> sure _bjoern. a “friend”
12:43:01 <_bjoern> of course it is...
12:43:25 <nslater> there is nothing obvious about it, I've seen some pretty messed up DNS configurations :)
12:43:35 <nslater> looks like you might have your problem anyway...
12:44:22 <_bjoern> So what does the output suggest?
12:44:31 <_bjoern> Yes sbp, I would have made the same joke :)
12:44:32 <nslater> you're quickly going out of my depth though, that I have a working setup is mostly by chance and the patience of those more experienced than me... sorry, I don't really know! :)
12:44:46 <_bjoern> I see
12:44:55 <_bjoern> Thanks anyway
12:44:57 <sbp> could this be an @bjrnhhrmann.de issue? is _bjoern trying to wangle out of giving nslater consultation euros? so many questions, which only Monty can answer! (cue Monty)
12:45:01 <Monty> if (Gwil == trawling) { TWM implements Jim Allchin's exhalation;}
12:45:02 <nslater> sure, no probs
12:45:20 <nslater> seems like something funky with your DNS though...
12:45:35 <sbp> with the *friend*'s DNS...
12:45:35 <nslater> have you tried resolving that address from the host?
12:45:42 <nslater> oh yeah, sorry
12:45:46 <nslater> genuine slip
12:45:47 * sbp tires of the joke, checks on the stork and then gets back to work
12:46:19 <sbp> that weird tape-like thing seems a different consistency today
12:46:21 <sbp> less like tape
12:46:29 <nslater> more like weird?
12:46:36 <sbp> yes!
12:46:40 <nslater> wow
12:46:42 <sbp> weirdness factor = 73.8
12:47:45 * sbp decided to archive all of the stuff he regularly accesses in one place
12:47:56 <sbp> I'm adding hooks to my filesystem fractal
12:48:05 <sbp> problem is, it's a stupendous mess
12:48:13 <sbp> also, lots of paper manuscripts that I want to indexicalise somehow
12:48:30 <sbp> SO MUCH DATA OMG
12:48:35 <_bjoern> The bjrn hhrmann issue was due to me organizing my paperwork
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12:48:47 <_bjoern> and that's what was printed on a microsoft delivery thingy.
12:48:55 <sbp> you picked up a piece of paper and the umlauts fell off?
12:49:15 <sbp> that would be awesome. they should make a printer that can print movable umlauts
12:49:20 <_bjoern> Well apparently their (partner's?) shipping software suxx.
12:49:30 <sbp> funny that it just got rid of them entirely
12:49:53 <sbp> the software involved probably went “woah, non-ascii. security risk! I'm being haxed! deleting the haxor bytes!”
12:50:02 <_bjoern> rename yourself "" and move to some arab or asian country
12:50:11 <_bjoern> you'd get lots of free stuff daily per mail
12:50:17 <sbp> bwahaha
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12:53:22 <_bjoern> peepo pwns phrogz http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Apr/0072.html
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12:57:48 <sbp> chuckle
12:59:49 <_bjoern> He is trying to fix the exim problem by installing postfix now...
13:00:52 <nslater> ha...
13:01:00 * nslater still thinks it's a DNS issue
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13:13:05 <sbp> hmm
13:13:12 <sbp> some email clients use 01 Month YYYY
13:13:16 <sbp> and some use 1 Month YYYY
13:13:30 <sbp> is one more correct?
13:14:02 <_bjoern> .g RFC 2822
13:14:14 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html
13:14:50 <nslater> ahahahaha, todays xkcd is hilarious
13:15:20 <_bjoern> does not say much about it
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13:15:35 <nslater> hmm?
13:15:46 <sbp> yeah, doesn't seem to say
13:15:52 <nslater> oh..
13:15:54 <_bjoern> I was not talking about xkcd
13:16:07 <_bjoern> but today's alt text also does not say much about it.
13:16:22 <nslater> what more could you say
13:16:34 <_bjoern> Oh I could say a lot really
13:16:36 <_bjoern> about any topic
13:16:42 <nslater> in fact, I think that's my favourite xkcd ever, if only for it's absurdity
13:16:51 <sbp> the Techno one is funny
13:16:53 <nslater> absurd is good, for anything really
13:17:21 <sbp> today's reminds me of Fawlty Towers
13:17:32 * kwijibo reads http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7354089.stm
13:17:36 <nslater> i can see that
13:17:47 <_bjoern> ...
13:17:58 <nslater> genuine religion!?
13:18:18 <nslater> im not sure which is more absurd, the proposed law or the claim that the paranormal is a religion
13:18:59 <sbp> ‘The first case was a man in 1952 on a charge that he did in "purporting to act as a spiritualistic medium, unlawfully use a certain fraudulent device, namely, a length of cheesecloth".’
13:19:36 <nslater> i think anyone that views paranormal entertainment as anything BUT entertainment is not going to be protected by some consumer related advertising law
13:20:53 <nslater> lol Derek Acorah
13:21:06 <sbp> Acorah: yeah, heh
13:21:09 <kwijibo> i've never seen him - is he on telly?
13:21:13 <sbp> yeah
13:21:23 <nslater> I support a law that would criminalise him, in general
13:21:34 <kwijibo> in particular you mean :)
13:21:48 <nslater> no, just him in general, in any form
13:21:49 <sbp> he means any law
13:22:07 <kwijibo> why use such a broad brush?
13:22:30 <nslater> oh dear, I was making a joke :p
13:22:37 <sbp> because he means that if there was a law against people looking like Derek Acorah, that would be fine by him, for example
13:22:38 <kwijibo> criminalise the activity of being Derek Acorah
13:23:01 <kwijibo> the proscribed name of Drek Acorah
13:23:05 <nslater> yes, that sounds good, illegal Derek-Acorah-ness
13:23:06 <kwijibo> *Derek
13:23:20 <laplink> It should be against the law to annoy me.
13:23:23 <laplink> In any way.
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13:26:30 * kwijibo imagines Derek Acoraha living in fear, under assumed names, but keeping the faith, waiting for their day to come again
13:26:45 <kwijibo> waiting for the day the kingdom will finally be theirs again
13:26:47 <nslater> oh jeez, I think I'm gonna have nightmares
13:27:11 <kwijibo> *Acorahs
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13:32:12 <Monty> howdy, pierpa
13:33:37 <sbp> what's the law that all data expands to consume the storage space available?
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13:34:47 <sbp> .g data expands to consume the storage space available
13:34:47 <_bjoern> Law of heavy bones?
13:34:48 <phenny> sbp: http://www.wikibon.org/Thin-provisioning_options_for_file_systems
13:34:52 <sbp> .wik data expands to consume the storage space available
13:34:54 <phenny> "I have about 1500 (html/doc.)files and want to link them.but i dont know HTML coding therefore if you please tell me about a software with which I link them.and want to make an EXE file. usman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.56.31.3 (talk) 01:49, 1 October [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Computing/2007_October_1
13:34:59 <sbp> heh
13:35:12 <sbp> he (or she) does not know HTML coding
13:36:35 <Talliesin> Ah Derek Anchora.
13:36:40 <_bjoern> .wik data storage prediction low
13:36:41 <phenny> "While flash memory remains one of the most popular storages in embedded systems because of its non-volatility, shock-resistance, small size, and low energy consumption, its application has grown much beyond its original design." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOR_flash_replacement
13:36:44 <_bjoern> .wik data storage prediction law
13:36:44 <Talliesin> Uniting the sceptical and the occult community
13:36:45 <phenny> "Moore's Law describes an important trend in the history of computer hardware: that the number of transistors that can be inexpensively placed on an integrated circuit is increasing exponentially, doubling approximately every two years.[1]| The observation was first [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law
13:37:00 <Talliesin> In an urge to slap him and ask "there, did you see that coming?"
13:37:09 <sbp> oh man
13:38:41 <nslater> sbp: how come phenny does this...
13:38:45 <nslater> .dict bonafide
13:38:46 <phenny> bonafide -
13:38:53 <nslater> ... when there are no results
13:38:54 <sbp> she couldn't find a definition
13:38:58 <sbp> yeah, should fix
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13:39:46 <nslater> sbp: I have heard of that law too... not sure where, perhaps codinghorror
13:41:27 <_bjoern> http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/bildgalerie_pfalzstorch/details.php?image_id=23518
13:41:40 <sbp> phenny: reload dict
13:42:03 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.dict' from '/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/dict.pyc'> (version: 2008-04-18 14:07:19)
13:42:13 <sbp> .dict bonafide
13:42:13 <phenny> bonafide -
13:42:17 <sbp> grumble
13:42:29 <nslater> sbp: found it :)
13:42:31 <nslater> .wik Parkinson's law
13:42:31 <Monty> Keep number using bouncycastle libraries still primary.
13:42:31 <phenny> "Parkinson's Law is a humorous observation (and not a scientific law) that states that 'work expands so as to fill the time available for its completion.' A more succinct phrasing also commonly used is 'work expands to fill the time available.' It was first articulated [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_law
13:42:38 <sbp> ah! thanks!
13:42:50 <nslater> sbp: it applies to storage space too, if you read on :p and np!
13:42:57 <sbp> _bjoern: storklings!
13:43:01 <sbp> but... hmm
13:43:06 <sbp> I wonder when they laid theirs then
13:43:35 <_bjoern> quite some time earlier
13:43:41 <_bjoern> I'll check the blog!
13:44:07 <sbp> phenny: reload dict
13:44:07 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.dict' from '/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/dict.py'> (version: 2008-04-18 14:08:49)
13:44:13 <sbp> .dict bonafide
13:44:13 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no definition found.
13:44:19 <sbp> .dict stork
13:44:19 <phenny> stork - noun 1. large wading bird with long legs
13:44:27 <sbp> I've not seen ours wade!
13:44:27 <nslater> \o/
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13:45:10 <_bjoern> Two on 13. März 2008
13:45:28 <sbp> ah, so that's about right then. just under six weeks
13:45:43 <sbp> ours laid at the end of März, I recall
13:45:55 <nslater> ARGH!
13:46:07 <_bjoern> 30. März
13:46:23 <nslater> when you try to log into myspace and you get your password wrong it says "You Must Be Logged-In to do That!" - what a braindead message
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13:46:46 <_bjoern> One of your friends is on myspace?
13:47:00 <_bjoern> or how else would you know?
13:47:02 <nslater> a few are, so I have one for the only purpose of keeping in touch
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13:47:38 <nslater> it's the worst engineered site I have ever had the misfortune of using
13:48:23 <nslater> .. I literally couldn't imagine how I would make it any worse if I tried. Any attempt to worsen it would probably improve things.
13:48:28 <_bjoern> wait until you see the user pages
13:49:46 <nslater> I am sure there must be a name for the threashold where something gets so bad that it starts to get good again
13:50:00 <sbp> hmm
13:50:05 <_bjoern> there isn't always one
13:50:07 <sbp> how does OS X know the name of a disc, I wonder?
13:50:14 <sbp> I've got Led Zeppelin in the CD drive
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13:50:20 <nslater> sbp: from the boot sector?
13:50:21 <sbp> but it's labelled it "Led Zeppelin I"
13:50:25 <_bjoern> It reads it from the disc? Ah then it goes online for it
13:50:27 <sbp> really?
13:50:37 <sbp> it'd be weird if the record company put the wrong name on it
13:50:45 <sbp> does seem more likely to me that it's looked in CDDB or such
13:50:51 <sbp> but the annoying thing is that I can't change it!
13:50:59 <sbp> which makes me wonder if it is on the disc
13:51:00 <_bjoern> well depends on where it got it from
13:51:05 <nslater> you're english, you should write a letter of complaint
13:51:14 <_bjoern> modify it online, let it rerecognize the disc
13:51:17 <sbp> well I don't know where the error is at the moment
13:51:28 <sbp> I don't know what cddbish thing it uses, if any
13:51:34 <_bjoern> Yeah, take exception with this kind of behavior.
13:51:40 <sbp> you mother superiors are jumping the gun
13:51:42 <bancus> "Led Zeppelin I" isn't the album name?
13:51:48 <nslater> heh
13:51:52 <sbp> nope, it's just "Led Zeppelin"
13:52:08 <nslater> my bet is going to be a mistake in the production
13:52:25 <bancus> This isn't the album with "Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You"?
13:52:27 <nslater> ... I would be very suprised if it was looked up at insertion time from a database, offline or on
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13:53:06 <nslater> and for CD's I'm sure that drive labels are written into the boot sector, but I may be wrong
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13:53:15 <nslater> yo ucoudl all ways grep the device node? :p
13:53:16 <laplink> It looks at checksums, track lengths, etc.; and looks that signature up on CDDB.
13:53:27 <nslater> laplink: even with no net connection?
13:53:44 <nslater> considering that when I burn CD's I can give them a drive label it seems weird that a recording company wouldn't do the same
13:53:45 <laplink> The specific text, or a unique ID, is not included on the physical disc.
13:53:47 <sbp> bancus: no, it is the album with BIGLY
13:53:51 <sbp> cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelin_(album)
13:53:55 <sbp> Wikipedia knows the score
13:54:05 <sbp> some rare early pressings of the cover have the title in cyan rather than orange
13:54:18 <sbp> but none have, or have ever had, or will ever have "Led Zeppelin I"
13:54:18 <laplink> And it caches what it's pulled from CDDB, so you'll get the name next time even with no net connectivity.
13:54:48 <sbp> laplink: do you know of a simple/easy way to change it?
13:54:59 <nslater> I simply cannot believe that where as my CD burning software writes the metadata to the disk a comercially produced CD would rely on some sort of external database
13:55:06 <sbp> or even a complex/hard way to change it...
13:55:21 <laplink> No. But if you root around in ~/Application SUpport/ — or possibly your iTunes library — you may figure out a way.
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13:55:36 <sbp> ooh, good idea. I could just grep for "Led Zeppelin I"
13:55:37 <sbp> thanks
13:55:40 <nslater> sbp: "grep 'Led Zeppelin I' /dev/foo"
13:55:45 <nslater> heh
13:56:40 * sbp tries:
13:56:43 <sbp> ~/Library/Application Support
13:56:43 <sbp> $ grep -Iir 'Led Zeppelin I' * | grep -v Firefox | grep -i iv | grep -i ii
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14:01:34 <sbp> nothing
14:03:40 <nslater> have you grepped the device node?
14:04:00 <nslater> DEVICE NODE, HAVE YOU GREPPED IT?
14:04:17 * nslater explodes
14:04:53 <_bjoern> what if it's stored as utf-16?
14:05:22 <sbp> ah! it's as easy as changing it in iTunes and then reloading the disc
14:05:35 * nslater wonders if sbp has him on ignor
14:05:55 <sbp> you'd think you'd be able to do it in Finder...
14:06:32 * sbp doesn't even have an ignor command
14:07:26 <nslater> hey sbp, did you try grep, with the device node? :p
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14:07:50 <sbp> no. I fixed it
14:08:03 <nslater> I thought you were curious where it was comming from...
14:08:19 <sbp> and I found out: iTunes
14:08:23 <sbp> so, CDDB
14:08:37 <sbp> (Gracenote)
14:08:43 <nslater> hmm, so when it is mounted with a volume name, that comes from itUnes?
14:08:58 <sbp> hmm?
14:09:20 <nslater> when you put a CD in, is it mounted under /Volumes?
14:09:32 <sbp> yeah, I think so
14:09:38 <nslater> presumably with a name
14:09:44 <nslater> ... does the name come from iTunes?
14:09:55 <sbp> probably "Untitled", the first time you load it
14:10:02 <nslater> hmm
14:10:06 <sbp> I haven't confirmed that though
14:12:39 <sbp> the Finder name didn't change when I changed it in iTunes
14:12:55 <sbp> which supports the idea it would need to use Untitled
14:13:22 <nslater> hmm
14:13:34 <nslater> does that not support that the Finder name comes from the disk?
14:13:37 <nslater> one way to tell...
14:14:04 <sbp> no, it changed when I reloaded it I mean
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14:14:30 <sbp> eating messy foods, sry. hard to type
14:14:42 <nsh> .gs * a salad
14:14:43 <phenny> * a salad: toss (2), grilling (2), cordifole (2)
14:14:53 <nsh> .w cordifole
14:15:11 <nslater> oh...
14:15:39 <sbp> .gs my * has a first name
14:15:41 <phenny> my * has a first name: bologna (6), weiner (4), bolony (4), bolgna (4), baloney (4), wiener (3), penis (3), globaloney (3), fetti (3), boloney (3), bologne (3), bolgona (3)
14:15:59 <sbp> .gs my penis has a first name, it's *
14:16:00 <phenny> my penis has a first name, it's *: oscar (2), b-o-n-k-r (2)
14:17:27 <_bjoern> .gs I call my penis *
14:17:28 <phenny> I call my penis *: john (5), randy newman (3), size p (2), richard (2), on an impotent (2)
14:17:39 <nslater> lol
14:17:45 <nslater> .gs my penis is called
14:17:45 <phenny> Query must have one "*" exactly
14:17:46 <nslater> .gs my penis is called *
14:17:48 <phenny> my penis is called *: mr peabody (2)
14:17:51 <nslater> wat
14:17:57 <nslater> .gs my dick is called *
14:17:57 <phenny> my dick is called *: george because he)
14:17:57 <sbp> ahahaha
14:17:58 <_bjoern> .gs my penis name is *
14:17:59 <phenny> my penis name is *: pride (13), elvis (4), william hung (2), prince charming (2)
14:18:02 <nslater> .gs my cock is called *
14:18:02 <phenny> my cock is called *: No results!
14:18:15 <_bjoern> .gs this is * my penis
14:18:16 <phenny> this is * my penis: what (4), about (3), when (2), the most confused (2), that (2), still (2), making (2), it lois (2), how (2), cooler than (2), because (2), also (2)
14:18:18 *** nslater changed the topic to: "my penis is called mr peabody"
14:18:31 <_bjoern> .wik Mr Peabody
14:18:32 <phenny> "Mr. Peabody is a fictional dog who appeared in the late 1950s and early 1960s television animated series Rocky and His Friends and The Bullwinkle Show (collectively referred to as Rocky and Bullwinkle)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Peabody
14:18:51 <nslater> .g "my penis is called mr peabody"
14:18:52 <phenny> nslater: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Duplex
14:18:59 <_bjoern> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/Peabodyandshermansimpsons.png
14:19:31 <sbp> first non-Brazillian person...
14:20:37 <_bjoern> .gs Ich nenne meinen Penis *
14:20:38 <phenny> Ich nenne meinen Penis *: heinz)
14:20:50 <_bjoern> .gs meinen Penis heisst *
14:20:50 <phenny> meinen Penis heisst *: No results!
14:20:53 <_bjoern> .gs meinen Penis wird * genannt
14:20:54 <phenny> meinen Penis wird * genannt: No results!
14:20:58 <_bjoern> .gs mein Penis wird * genannt
14:20:59 <phenny> mein Penis wird * genannt: No results!
14:21:10 <_bjoern> .gs she calls my penis *
14:21:11 <phenny> she calls my penis *: that)
14:21:32 <_bjoern> .gs this is * my penis
14:21:35 <phenny> this is * my penis: what (4), about (3), when (2), the most confused (2), that (2), still (2), making (2), it lois (2), how (2), cooler than (2), because (2), also (2)
14:21:49 <_bjoern> .g "this is cooler than my penis"
14:21:50 <phenny> _bjoern: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=483396
14:21:59 <_bjoern> full circle back to myspace
14:22:04 <sbp> summary: Oscar, Bonkr, John, Randy Newman, Size P, Richard, Mr. Peabody, George, Pride, Elvis, William Hung, Prince Charming, Heinz
14:23:20 <sbp> .gs my cock's name is *
14:23:20 <phenny> my cock's name is *: midas (2), dezi (2)
14:23:27 <sbp> .gs my cock is named *
14:23:28 <phenny> my cock is named *: john rambo, henry, barney)
14:24:05 <sbp> .gs my dick is named *
14:24:06 <phenny> my dick is named *: jacques (2)
14:24:15 <sbp> .gs my dick's name is *
14:24:15 <phenny> my dick's name is *: riaa (2), lemon (2)
14:24:32 <sbp> .gs my penis is named *
14:24:33 <_bjoern> .gs my dong's name is *
14:24:33 <phenny> my penis is named *: russel (2)
14:24:34 <phenny> my dong's name is *: No results!
14:24:38 <sbp> .gs my penis's name is *
14:24:39 <phenny> my penis's name is *: pedro (2), gerald (2), bandwagon (2)
14:24:49 <_bjoern> .gs my dong is named *
14:24:50 <phenny> my dong is named *: No results!
14:24:59 <_bjoern> .gs I call my dong *
14:24:59 <phenny> I call my dong *: and)
14:25:23 <sbp> summary: Oscar, Bonkr, John, Randy Newman, Size P, Richard, Mr. Peabody, George, Pride, Elvis, William Hung, Prince Charming, Heinz, Midas, Dezi, Jon Rambo, Henry, Barney, Jacques, Riaa, Lemon, Russel, Pedro, Gerald, Bandwagon
14:26:13 <_bjoern> .gc "meat whip"
14:26:13 <phenny> "meat whip": 563
14:26:23 <sbp> http://labs.google.com/sets?hl=en&q1=penis&q2=cock&q3=dick&q4=&q5=&btn=Small+Set+(15+items+or+fewer)
14:26:32 <_bjoern> phenny, de "Fleischpeitsche"?
14:26:33 <phenny> _bjoern: "meat whip" (de)
14:26:36 <_bjoern> .gc fleischpeitsche
14:26:37 <phenny> fleischpeitsche: 16,500
14:27:05 <_bjoern> .gc "wikisaurus penis"
14:27:05 <phenny> "wikisaurus penis": 678
14:27:22 <_bjoern> page ends in ".com/search?hl=en&q="
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14:29:08 <sbp> .gc wubblies
14:29:09 <phenny> wubblies: 479
14:29:14 <sbp> .gc "iron wubblies"
14:29:15 <phenny> "iron wubblies": 0
14:30:49 <sbp> .gs named his dick *
14:30:50 <phenny> named his dick *: what, towards, steven, monster, i don, himself, herbert, for, einstein, after ray nagin, after, - at least, 'batman)
14:30:54 <sbp> .gs named his cock *
14:30:54 <phenny> named his cock *: like some, is huge, home, erkan, after that little, 'the manhatten)
14:30:59 <sbp> .gs named his penis *
14:31:02 <phenny> named his penis *: haley (4), upside (3), jumbo (3), ulysses (2), tim (2), jumbo shrimp (2), after himself (2), after (2)
14:31:47 <sbp> summary: Oscar, Bonkr, John, Randy Newman, Size P, Richard, Mr. Peabody, George, Pride, Elvis, William Hung, Prince Charming, Heinz, Midas, Dezi, John Rambo, Henry, Barney, Jacques, Riaa, Lemon, Russel, Pedro, Gerald, Bandwagon, Steven, Monster, Herbert, Einstein, Ray Nagin, Batman, Erkan, Haley, Jumbo, Ulysses, Tim, Jumbo Shrimp
14:32:39 <sbp> .gs named my cock *
14:32:44 <phenny> named my cock *: the hydrophinic, tettie, she, pedro, moohammad, markus, is throbbing, i agreed, george, d one eyed, any more than, after)
14:32:45 <sbp> .gs named your cock *
14:32:45 <phenny> named your cock *: after (4), waldo (2), that (2)
14:33:00 <sbp> .gs named my penis *
14:33:01 <phenny> named my penis *: willy (3), mohammed (3), when i was (2), the gloomy quibbler (2), mr safety (2), mohammad (2), jesus (2), - (2)
14:33:11 <sbp> Mr. Safety!
14:33:25 * xover beholds the botspam and despairs…
14:33:38 <sbp> hey, we're conducting research
14:33:54 <_bjoern> xover is always in despair, no wörries
14:34:02 <sbp> good point
14:35:25 <sbp> .g "wikisaurus penis"
14:35:26 <phenny> sbp: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wikisaurus:penis
14:35:49 <sbp> oh man
14:35:51 <sbp> "There are many words used to mean penis that are not considered used enough for inclusion in this Wikisaurus page (current criterion being used is fewer than 30,000 hits on Google). But we do not want to lose those that are genuinely used in some places, or were used at some time. Page Wikisaurus:penis/more is used to hold those extra words."
14:36:26 <xover> .g sbp botspam
14:36:27 <phenny> xover: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-07-17
14:36:43 <xover> And the third hit is a RDF file…
14:38:08 <sbp> Mandarin:
14:38:09 <sbp> [[[
14:38:09 <sbp> diǎo ("dick" - the character, unavailable on this computer, is made by combining "尸" (shī - body) and "吊" (diào - to hang) to mean "something that hangs from the body")
14:38:11 <sbp> ]]]
14:38:27 <sbp> it's a gaiji
14:38:43 <sbp> .gc "røvens brune tunge"
14:38:43 <phenny> "røvens brune tunge": 3
14:38:54 <sbp> hahaha
14:38:57 <sbp> Dutch: ‘kapitein penis peniszoon (captain penis mcpenis)’
14:39:34 <sbp> “verrassingsworst 'surprise sausage'”
14:39:42 <sbp> “zaadkanon (semen cannon)”
14:39:57 <sbp> if the Dutch do anything right, it's hilarious language
14:40:35 <sbp> Zauberstab?
14:40:47 <sbp> Peedle?!
14:41:15 <sbp> ...: ‘똘똘이 ttolttori. Means "masturbation." Comes from the way a cylinder falls on a shaft in old Korean tractors.’
14:42:18 <sbp> “Stellan Skarsgård (after the famed swedish actor - a symbol of virility and masculinity)”
14:42:48 <sbp> “Please, DO NOT add your own inventions, a word which is used only amongst a very limited number of friends, or your pet name for your own penis! (eg. Smiling Bob)”
14:43:27 <sbp> “flaming staff of vengeance which conquers the sniveling flowers of pink town with medieval war bombs of gooey hysteria”
14:43:52 <xover> “The Brown Tongue of Ass”?
14:45:16 <sbp> “Sergeant Beefy McManmeat of the 33rd erectile division”
14:45:19 <sbp> xover: yeah
14:45:26 <sbp> Danish, apparently!
14:45:53 <xover> Yeah, “Røv” is Danish for “Ass.”
14:50:05 <bancus> "cum cannon" I think would be a better translation of "zaadkanon"
14:50:12 <bancus> In that it is alliterative, and therefore funnier.
14:54:19 <procto> sbp: the hebrew transliteration is atrocious. time to do some editing.
14:55:38 <procto> what?! it's closed to editing?!
14:56:34 <procto> oh, it's been locked
15:03:26 <_bjoern> .gc "Body Hang"
15:03:27 <phenny> "Body Hang": 13,700
15:04:05 <_bjoern> .gc "Metal Mind"
15:04:06 <phenny> "Metal Mind": 577,000
15:14:27 <cre8radix|off> .gc cre8radix
15:14:28 <phenny> cre8radix: 1,070
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15:18:48 <_bjoern> .gc "cre8radix|off"
15:18:49 <phenny> "cre8radix|off": 2,010,000,000
15:19:01 <cre8radix|off> hrhr
15:19:07 <cre8radix|off> off rules
15:19:25 <_bjoern> .gc a
15:19:26 <phenny> a: 15,660,000,000
15:19:29 <_bjoern> .gc a | b
15:19:29 <phenny> a | b: 18,530,000,000
15:19:30 <cre8radix|off> .gc _bjoern
15:19:30 <phenny> _bjoern: 3,490
15:19:34 <_bjoern> .gc a | b | c | d
15:19:34 <phenny> a | b | c | d: 25,270,000,000
15:19:38 <_bjoern> .gc a | b | c | d | e
15:19:38 <phenny> a | b | c | d | e: 25,270,000,000
15:19:42 <_bjoern> .gc a | b | c | d | e | f
15:19:42 <phenny> a | b | c | d | e | f: 25,270,000,000
15:20:04 <sbp> .gc a | b | c | d | e | f | g | h | i | j | k | l | m | n | o | p | q | r | s | t | u | v | w | x | y | z
15:20:07 <phenny> a | b | c | d | e | f | g | h | i | j | k | l | m | n | o | p | q | r | s | t | u | v | w | x | y | z: 25,270,000,000
15:20:27 <_bjoern> .gc 1
15:20:27 <phenny> 1: 8,580,000,000
15:20:41 <_bjoern> .gc 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 0
15:20:41 <phenny> 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 0: -60,105,495,492
15:20:48 <sbp> ooh, negative
15:20:56 <_bjoern> it sucks in pages
15:21:07 <_bjoern> "Results 1 - 50 of about 0 for 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 0. (0.27 seconds)"
15:21:16 <sbp> yeah, just noticed that
15:21:29 <_bjoern> some kind of overflow perhaps?
15:32:40 <lisppaste2> _bjoern pasted "SOAP response for the query" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/59306
15:41:08 <sbp> hmm
15:41:42 <thelsdj> sbp: can i get a new archive of the swhack logs at some point?
15:42:22 <_bjoern> how new?
15:42:31 <_bjoern> the last one was early april
15:43:03 <thelsdj> guess thats good enough
15:43:45 <_bjoern> I'd like to plot the number of words not previously on swhack for every time interval
15:45:43 <thelsdj> I was going to check out the frequency of word usage vs google count for that word
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16:07:22 <_bjoern> .gc "weapon of creation"
16:07:23 <phenny> "weapon of creation": 1,980
16:07:33 <_bjoern> .gc "weapon of inverse creation"
16:07:33 <phenny> "weapon of inverse creation": 0
16:07:42 <_bjoern> .gs inverse *
16:07:43 <phenny> inverse *: of (6), kinematics (6), trigonometric (4), problems (4), functions (4), factorial (4), scattering (3), optimization (3), laplace (3), etfs (3)
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16:14:40 <MoiraA> hello
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16:55:45 <nslater> who was it who posted a link to something saying "would we have allowed nazi germany to host the olympics?"
17:07:37 <sbp> thelsdj, I think
17:07:55 <nslater> was the joke that the nazi's DID host the olympics?
17:08:14 <sbp> nope, it was _bjoern
17:08:17 <sbp> http://ptrace.fefe.de/nazi-olympics.jpg
17:08:18 <sbp> yeah
17:08:28 <sbp> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-15#T01-24-23
17:08:40 <sbp> delivered at http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-15#T06-45-38
17:08:55 <nslater> sbp: check this out: http://www.georgesteinmetz.com/index.php?section=11&page=view_photos
17:09:01 <nslater> breath taking
17:10:35 <sbp> “Woman carrying a hunting dog up a notched pole to her family tree house”
17:10:41 <sbp> not something you see in Southwark very often
17:10:48 <nslater> heh
17:11:06 <cre8radix|off> olympigs
17:11:09 <cre8radix|off> hrhr
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17:13:41 <nsh> yo
17:13:57 <nsh> _bjoern, thelsdj: any results of swhackwordstats yet?
17:17:43 <sbp> .gc "lubricated frogman"
17:17:44 <phenny> "lubricated frogman": 0
17:17:54 <sbp> I have a googlecount game idea
17:18:07 <sbp> what you do is:
17:18:13 <sbp> 1) search for a phrase with two words
17:18:22 <sbp> 2) gcs that phrase's words
17:18:26 <sbp> .gcs lubricated frogman
17:18:27 <phenny> lubricated (3,130,000), frogman (1,140,000)
17:18:42 <sbp> the phrase must have a 0 count
17:18:48 <sbp> add your two numbers to get your score
17:18:52 <sbp> highest score in a round wins
17:19:07 <sbp> perhaps we should make it so people can keep taking turns until they get a 0
17:19:16 <sbp> .calc 3130000 + 1140000
17:19:17 <phenny> 3130000 + 1140000 = 4270000
17:19:44 <nslater> .gc "ambidextrous scallywags"
17:19:46 <phenny> "ambidextrous scallywags": 244
17:20:10 <nslater> too hard :p
17:20:28 <sbp> I just did a very good first go
17:20:35 <sbp> though I'll bet nsh can beat me
17:21:18 <nslater> .gc "interjecting tightlippedness"
17:21:19 <phenny> "interjecting tightlippedness": 0
17:21:24 <nslater> .gcs "interjecting" "tightlippedness"
17:21:25 <phenny> "interjecting" (245,000), "tightlippedness" (180)
17:21:36 <nslater> .calc 245000 + 180
17:21:38 <phenny> 245000 + 180 = 245180
17:22:16 <sbp> the nice thing about this game is that it can have an all-time score thingy
17:23:07 <nslater> .gc "poststructuralism eveningwears"
17:23:07 <phenny> "poststructuralism eveningwears": 0
17:23:11 <nslater> .gcs "poststructuralism" "eveningwears"
17:23:12 <phenny> "poststructuralism" (241,000), "eveningwears" (398)
17:23:15 <nslater> bah
17:23:17 <sbp> .gc "mangled flood"
17:23:18 <phenny> "mangled flood": 8
17:23:46 <sbp> .gc "bitter extrapolate"
17:23:47 <phenny> "bitter extrapolate": 0
17:23:53 <sbp> .gcs bitter extrapolate
17:23:53 <phenny> bitter (55,900,000), extrapolate (1,830,000)
17:23:57 <sbp> whoo
17:24:07 <sbp> .c 55,900,000 + 1,830,000
17:24:07 <phenny> 55 900 000 + 1 830 000 = 57 730 000
17:24:51 <sbp> .gc "mibi orgo"
17:24:52 <phenny> "mibi orgo": 0
17:24:57 <sbp> .gcs mibi orgo
17:24:58 <phenny> mibi (406,000), orgo (272,000)
17:25:00 <sbp> hmm
17:25:35 <sbp> .gc "dirty fulcrum"
17:25:35 <phenny> "dirty fulcrum": 6
17:25:40 <sbp> .gc "dirty fulcrum"
17:25:40 <phenny> "dirty fulcrum": 6
17:25:41 <sbp> er
17:25:47 <sbp> .gc "fulcrum dirty"
17:25:48 <phenny> "fulcrum dirty": 0
17:25:53 <sbp> stupid picnic bench
17:25:58 <sbp> .gcs fulcrum dirty
17:25:59 <phenny> dirty (161,000,000), fulcrum (3,970,000)
17:26:05 <sbp> aw, megawin
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17:28:17 <nslater> .gc "disengenius microphallus"
17:28:17 <phenny> "disengenius microphallus": 0
17:28:21 <nslater> .gcs "disengenius" "microphallus"
17:28:22 <phenny> "microphallus" (25,200), "disengenius" (197)
17:28:25 <nslater> pah
17:29:26 <sbp> .gc "loved coupe"
17:29:26 <phenny> "loved coupe": 186
17:29:43 <sbp> .gc "love ecoute"
17:29:44 <phenny> "love ecoute": 7,060
17:29:47 <sbp> .gc "lovers ecoute"
17:29:48 <phenny> "lovers ecoute": 13
17:29:55 <sbp> .gc "ecoute lovers"
17:29:56 <phenny> "ecoute lovers": 14
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17:30:02 <sbp> grumble
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17:31:43 <sbp> nsh: new game. gc for a) "$1 $2", b) $1, and c) $2. if a) is more than 0, fail. otherwise add b) and c) together to get your score. highest score wins
17:32:23 <sbp> .gcs "melon purple" melon purple
17:32:24 <phenny> melon (18,400,000), purple (11,800,000), "melon purple" (1,210)
17:32:36 <nslater> .gc "humuhumunukunukuapuaas blogs"
17:32:36 <phenny> "humuhumunukunukuapuaas blogs": 0
17:32:41 <nslater> .gcs "humuhumunukunukuapuaas" "blogs"
17:32:41 <phenny> "blogs" (705,000,000), "humuhumunukunukuapuaas" (230)
17:32:52 <sbp> .gcs "blazon refridgerated" blazon refridgerated
17:32:53 <phenny> blazon (658,000), refridgerated (98,300), "blazon refridgerated" (0)
17:33:02 <nslater> .calc 705000000 + 230
17:33:03 <phenny> 705000000 + 230 = 705000230
17:33:11 <sbp> ooh, clevar
17:33:14 <nslater> I CAN HAS WINRAR?
17:33:23 <sbp> .gcs "OAKRGOKARGOKA a" OAKRGOKARGOKA a
17:33:24 <phenny> a (15,620,000,000), OAKRGOKARGOKA (0), "OAKRGOKARGOKA a" (0)
17:33:39 <sbp> you just destroyed the game
17:33:58 <sbp> easy way to rectify it though
17:34:08 <sbp> oh, actually, no
17:34:10 <nslater> who did? me?
17:34:17 <sbp> was going to say: score is the lowest of the two
17:34:26 <sbp> hmm, actually that might work
17:34:34 <nslater> pfft
17:34:37 <nslater> you cant do that
17:34:55 <nslater> .wik humuhumunukunukuapuaas
17:34:56 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "humuhumunukunukuapuaas".
17:35:00 <nslater> .dict humuhumunukunukuapuaas
17:35:06 <phenny> nslater: Sorry, no definition found.
17:35:47 <nslater> .gcs "discombobulated microphalic"
17:35:47 <phenny> "discombobulated microphalic" (0)
17:35:53 <nslater> .gc "discombobulated" "microphalic"
17:35:54 <phenny> "discombobulated" "microphalic": 0
17:35:57 <nslater> fail
17:36:00 <nslater> .gcs "discombobulated" "microphalic"
17:36:00 <phenny> "discombobulated" (260,000), "microphalic" (46)
17:36:04 <nslater> fail
17:36:20 <nslater> .gc "humuhumunukunukuapuaas blowjob"
17:36:20 <phenny> "humuhumunukunukuapuaas blowjob": 0
17:36:24 <nslater> .gcs "humuhumunukunukuapuaas" "blowjob"
17:36:25 <phenny> "blowjob" (40,400,000), "humuhumunukunukuapuaas" (230)
17:36:39 <nslater> .gc "humuhumunukunukuapuaas sexy"
17:36:40 <phenny> "humuhumunukunukuapuaas sexy": 0
17:36:44 <nslater> .gcs "humuhumunukunukuapuaas" "sexy"
17:36:45 <phenny> "sexy" (403,000,000), "humuhumunukunukuapuaas" (230)
17:36:58 <nslater> heh, blogs scores better than sexy
17:37:07 <nslater> .gc "humuhumunukunukuapuaas girls"
17:37:07 <phenny> "humuhumunukunukuapuaas girls": 0
17:37:11 <nslater> .gcs "humuhumunukunukuapuaas" "girls"
17:37:12 <phenny> "girls" (556,000,000), "humuhumunukunukuapuaas" (221)
17:37:23 <nslater> wtf
17:37:27 <nslater> .gc "humuhumunukunukuapuaas the"
17:37:27 <phenny> "humuhumunukunukuapuaas the": 0
17:37:32 <nslater> .gcs "humuhumunukunukuapuaas" "the"
17:37:33 <phenny> "the" (12,230,000,000), "humuhumunukunukuapuaas" (221)
17:37:38 <nslater> omg, i am winrar?
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17:37:50 <nslater> .gc "hum
