2008-04-19 Swhack IRC Log

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00:04:29 *** therethinker changed the topic to: "Sane topics are nice"
00:17:42 <therethinker> loggy: pointer
00:17:42 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-19#T00-17-42
00:18:50 <chandler> Monty: we need to plum a sbp2002 insane topic
00:18:50 <sbp2002> heh, heh
00:18:54 <Monty> incompetence's bedroom fantasises about squashing Backstreet Boys!
00:18:56 <plum> few really have a convincing need to implement a prototype! why must there always be a topic? haha
00:19:11 *** Arnia changed the topic to: "Scraffling monkeys each own twenty partridge and sand croissants"
00:19:27 <therethinker> Arnia: that's sane, good job
00:19:36 <tobbez> /topic Sane topics are nice, but I'm not one of them. Or am I?
00:19:55 <therethinker> /topic Sane topics are nice, sadly this one isn't
00:20:15 <Arnia> /topic topic
00:20:22 <chandler> /topic Sane topics are nice, but why are you implanting cameras in my head?!
00:20:50 <therethinker> /topic Sane topics are nice, sadly this one is an armpit hair folicle
00:22:30 <Arnia> /topic stop with the topics, or the Book will come out
00:22:58 <therethinker> Which?
00:24:30 <Arnia> .swhack The Book
00:24:31 <phenny> Arnia: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-12#T22-27-35
00:24:40 <Arnia> hm
00:24:48 <kpreid> .swhackcasesensitive
00:24:57 <Arnia> The Book which is carnivorous
00:25:54 <kpreid> .swhack (?-i)The Book
00:25:54 <phenny> kpreid: Sorry, no results found.
00:26:11 * therethinker wants to sort his bookshelf anti-alphabetically by the 192th word in said book
00:26:59 <kpreid> I'm sorry, did you say book*shelf*?
00:27:16 <Arnia> yeah... uh... how many books do you have?
00:28:01 <therethinker> not many
00:28:11 * kpreid 's fiction bookshelves are arranged alphabetically by author, except for anthologies which are alphabetical by title (intermixed)
00:28:26 <therethinker> my books aren't really shelved... more chaotically strewn, or stacked
00:28:30 <Arnia> I don't have shelves atm. I have piles.
00:28:39 <Arnia> Damn lack of bookcases
00:28:44 <kpreid> poor Arnia
00:28:52 <therethinker> I think piles are more efficient
00:28:58 * kpreid has piles insofar as the shelves are full.
00:30:16 <kpreid> phenny: ask sbp for .swhackcasesensitive or maybe .swhack (?-i)... example problematic search: "The Book"
00:30:16 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
00:30:40 * MoiraA kicks therethinker
00:30:49 * MoiraA renames him rethinker
00:31:06 <therethinker> Yeah yeah, this is a different comp, and if you see, zjb is already in here...
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00:31:31 <MoiraA> naughty! changing yourself back
00:31:33 <MoiraA> ah that will do :)
00:31:50 <MoiraA> thanks zjb
00:31:56 <zjb_> yw
00:31:58 <MoiraA> that's cooperation for you
00:32:02 <zjb_> heh
00:32:08 <MoiraA> sbp will be impressed
00:32:24 <zjb_> ...you know, I am also "zjb"... that's just another computer...
00:32:39 <zjb_> ...and that I love ellipses...yay...
00:33:16 <Arnia> right. I'm confused by OpenNARS again.
00:33:30 * Arnia sighs and hits the code in the hope that it will make more sense
00:34:04 <kpreid> Arnia: ask it to explain itself
00:34:10 <zjb_> heh
00:34:28 * zjb_ wishes he knew more narsesee
00:34:51 <kpreid> Narsese is clunky
00:35:14 <Arnia> Narsese is very clunky... unfortunately I don't think LOAN is much better
00:35:25 <zjb_> I agree. but it'd be good to make a joke... like help: --} Arnia
00:36:20 <Arnia> Which isn't valid Narsese or LOAN
00:36:32 <Arnia> Or even close to valid :)
00:36:33 <kpreid> just so
00:38:10 <zjb_> I know :P
00:38:40 <zjb_> I think I was the closest to making help an Arnia property?
00:39:18 <Arnia> uh... I'm not sure what you were closest to
00:39:34 * zjb_ cries
00:39:53 <Arnia> :help }-[ :Arnia. would make me a property of the instance help
00:42:21 <Arnia> I think LOAN is about as good as a syntax for NAL of this style can be though.
00:42:33 * Arnia is pondering what a link template does
00:43:50 * zjb_ reads nslater's poem: http://bytesexual.com/poem
01:00:14 <nslater> zjb_: wtf
01:00:41 * nslater squashes a plum into zjb_'s face
01:00:44 <plum> when to perform a plum action. live action chipmunks would be funny.
01:01:12 <zjb_> nslater: don't tell me I got you on your OWN site!
01:07:43 <zjb_> so, where are you, montyeee?
01:07:46 <Monty> Not really, yet another phone's camera later therewards
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01:16:31 <Arnia> Hngh
01:17:02 * Arnia looks at the horrifically re-entrant code with dismay
01:19:01 <zjb_> who, fckgw?
01:19:18 <zjb_> is that... fuck G. W.?
01:23:24 <kpreid> Arnia: tell!
01:23:35 <Arnia> ask!
01:23:55 <kpreid> Arnia: I wish to know of examples of intentional reentrancy
01:24:11 <kpreid> their structure, purpose, robustness, etc.
01:25:49 <Arnia> Ok, well, in order to fire a concept the system extracts a term link and a task link from their appropriate bags. It then determines the type of the task link, and gets the task it points to. Then it fires the reasoner which goes back to the concept object and asks it for more information
01:25:52 <zjb_> hmm
01:26:02 * zjb_ thought of a variant on the .gc game...
01:26:11 <zjb_> by accident, none the lest
01:26:13 <zjb_> *less
01:26:24 <Arnia> Once the inferences are produced, the inferencing bit itself fiddles all the budget values and adds stuff to the memory
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01:27:46 <Arnia> All told, there are three bits to the system's execution: the memory (which chooses concepts, and sometimes tasks, to execute), concepts which hold beliefs and tasks in some horrific set of structures whose roles I haven't entirely figured out, and the rules tables which do the inferences, and fiddle with both the memory and the concepts
01:27:58 <Arnia> All three components modify each other
01:28:00 <zjb_> that sounds about right
01:28:12 * zjb_ wrote all by language and GUI in pynars...
01:28:27 <kpreid> Hm, I don't think I'd call that reentrancy...
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01:28:53 <Arnia> Possibly not... I grabbed for the nearest word which sounded right
01:29:19 <Arnia> (i.e. everything keeps re-entering the components; like IoC gone horribly wrong)
01:29:44 <Arnia> Now... I'm trying to make this saner. I don't want the inference engine to have to worry about things like budgets, or memory, as far as possible
01:30:17 <kpreid> Reentrancy, to me, is where the same task (or significant possibly-conflicting operations on the same entity) occurs in multiple, not directly connected places (if they are direct, it's recursion...) on the control stack. Or something like that
01:30:28 <Arnia> I likewise don't want the control strategy to be dependent on the inference process; it should focus entirely on the job of storing and retrieving tasks to be inferred on
01:30:45 <Arnia> kpreid: well, that's sort of what's happening
01:30:46 <kpreid> Reentrancy is indirect recursion, I guess
01:31:20 <Arnia> kpreid: I have concepts choosing tasks choosing concepts choosing beliefs, choosing inference rules choosing tasks, etc.
01:31:30 <Arnia> And if this makes little sense, then you're in the same boat as I.
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01:34:32 <Arnia> Anyway, I'm feeling very unsure of myself because he uses a very complex system for spreading of activation. I can see it as being rather simple. But working out which bits of his Java are necessary parts of the control algorithm, and which are simply hold-overs of his implementation is not simple
01:35:02 <Arnia> Working out which bits are basically implementing stuff Prolog does itself... that's also tricky
01:35:03 <kpreid> Ooh, I've been there
01:35:12 <kpreid> Studying existing E implementation
01:35:59 <kpreid> Is this (a) Java's fault, (b) over-abstraction, (c) necessary, for reasons you will see later, (d) existant in order to support a future feature, (e) ...
01:36:08 <Arnia> Yeah
01:36:30 <Arnia> It has taken me long enough to get a grasp of my own design, let alone how to transfer his to mine :)
01:36:40 <kpreid> Oh... (e) is c but s/necessary/a useful abstraction/
01:37:11 <Arnia> I mean, I'm convinced that splitting the control strategy and inference engine is a Good Thing
01:37:42 <Arnia> Just a shame that the existing system isn't well modularised
01:38:00 <Arnia> But then again, that's why I'm doing this slash and burn rewrite
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01:59:54 <Monty> Thank goodness, jeffarch_ is back!
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02:00:48 <zjb_> Heh
02:34:12 <zjb_> /JOIN #BYTESEXUAL
02:34:36 <zjb_> that was embarassing
03:01:24 <BigJibby> phenny: "Домен jib.by доступен для регистрации."?
03:01:41 <phenny> BigJibby: I think it's Bulgarian, which I can't translate.
03:02:10 <BigJibby> phenny: well, you're just useless then
03:02:58 <zjb_> Isn't it russian?
03:03:08 <zjb_> or am I really ignorant...
03:03:24 <zjb_> phenny: "Домен доступен для регистрации."?
03:03:26 <phenny> zjb_: I think it's Bulgarian, which I can't translate.
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03:27:33 <xover> .wik Cyrillic alphabet
03:27:42 <phenny> "The Cyrillic alphabet (pronounced /sɪˈrɪlɪk/; also called azbuka, from the old name of the first two letters) is actually a family of alphabets, subsets of which are used by six Slavic national languages (Belarusian, Bulgarian, Macedonian, Russian, Serbian and [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_alphabet
03:27:58 <xover> zjb: “Yes”
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03:42:58 <therethinker> Whoo! its today
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04:19:21 <z^> Okay, I'm zjb/(the)rethinker
04:19:26 <z^> short enough?
04:19:32 <xover> No.
04:21:37 <_bjoern> So you are saying zjb was therethinker.
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04:39:32 <z^> yes
04:39:54 <z^> I changed it at the general consencious' request
04:45:01 <xover> Oh, and…
04:45:04 <xover> .wik Cyrillic alphabet
04:45:10 <phenny> "The Cyrillic alphabet (pronounced /sɪˈrɪlɪk/; also called azbuka, from the old name of the first two letters) is actually a family of alphabets, subsets of which are used by six Slavic national languages (Belarusian, Bulgarian, Macedonian, Russian, Serbian and [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_alphabet
04:45:31 <xover> _bjoern: You up late or up early?
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04:45:33 <Monty> hey kwijibo
04:56:28 <_bjoern> Early
04:56:36 <xover> Poor bastard.
04:57:13 <_bjoern> I'm quite happy about it actually, after having a, even by my standards, completely fucked up sleep cycle for quite some time.
04:57:36 <_bjoern> Besides, I have to get up around 0600 tomorrow, I'll be making a trip to the swiss border.
04:57:59 <_bjoern> .wik Bodensee
04:58:02 <phenny> "Lake Constance or Lake of Constance (German and Alemannic Bodensee) is a large lake on the Rhine between Germany, Switzerland, and Austria." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodensee
04:58:02 <xover> Receiving weapons and intel from your contact on the other side?
04:58:03 <_bjoern> to be exact
04:58:28 <_bjoern> Perhaps, do you want me to tell and kill you? Had no coffee yet?
04:58:54 <xover> On two cups of espresso, which is clearly far too little for that.
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05:17:30 <xover> .title http://www.theangrydrunk.com/2008/04/18/oh-for-the-love-of-god/
05:17:32 <phenny> xover: Oh For The Love Of God!
05:17:35 <xover> heh heh
05:17:54 <xover> Splendid little rant. Complete with hideous spelling and grammar, and laced with profanity.
05:19:07 <xover> (I'd link to the post this rant is directed at, but the specific issue is really beside the point)
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05:31:02 <xover> .title http://waxy.org/2008/04/milliways_infocoms_unreleased_sequel_to_hitchhikers_guide_to_the_galax/
05:31:08 <phenny> xover: Milliways: Infocom's Unreleased Sequel to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Waxy.org
05:37:06 <_bjoern> Hmm, I have about 600 false negatives that got past my mail provider but not the local spamassassin; I suppose something in the area of 200 mails that got past both. Most of the 600 got caught by scoring mails with html content. I wonder whether I can filter those by the mail client and turn the local spamassassin off.
05:41:26 <skwerl> poor stork, looks so dirty :\
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05:42:54 <_bjoern> It's supposed to rain most of the rest of the month, so I think that'll be fixed soon.
05:43:26 <skwerl> I can't tell if it's raining now or just gloomy
05:44:12 <_bjoern> drizzle if at all
05:46:15 <xover> Maybe we can persuade Björn to head over there to hose them down?
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06:07:12 <_bjoern> Not today.
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07:16:48 <sbp> yo
07:16:56 <phenny> sbp: 00:55Z <kpreid> ask sbp for .swhackcasesensitive or maybe .swhack (?-i)... example problematic search: "The Book"
07:34:56 <_bjoern> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/19/weather
07:34:59 <phenny> _bjoern: What's that smell? A whiff of Europe | World news | The Guardian
07:50:24 <sbp> heh, yeah. that was on BBC News too
07:50:57 <sbp> ‘the Daily Mail complained of "Le Stink" (which later became Der Stink, when blame was shifted from France to Germany)’
07:52:01 <sbp> “We are grateful to the Dutch farmers for laying on such a pungent demonstration of what could happen every spring here in the UK if the government presses ahead with its ill-conceived proposal to implement a blanket ban on winter slurry spreading.”
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08:05:13 <_bjoern> .c 1.5L times days in a year
08:05:14 <phenny> _bjoern: Sorry, no result.
08:05:31 <_bjoern> .c 1.5 liters times days in a year
08:05:32 <phenny> _bjoern: Sorry, no result.
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08:09:45 <_bjoern> .u trade
08:09:47 <phenny> U+2122 TRADE MARK SIGN (™)
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10:08:32 *** sbp changed the topic to: "British Magical Realism?"
10:09:57 <sbp> wow. check this out:
10:10:00 <sbp> .title http://jacklynch00.blogspot.com/2008/04/and-strange-day-it-was.html
10:10:02 <phenny> sbp: Dull in a New Way: And a Strange Day It Was
10:10:31 <sbp> Prof. Lynch goes to a restaurant, which explodes, and then goes to *another* restaurant in which Jenna Jameson is luncheoning
10:13:56 <_bjoern> Where she explodes?
10:17:48 <_bjoern> Why is there no measuring tape on google maps?
10:28:59 <sbp> yeah, that would be handy
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11:48:59 <Monty> hey kpreid
11:55:53 <_bjoern> .gc exploding porn
11:55:54 <phenny> exploding porn: 282,000
11:56:10 <_bjoern> only words with 'x'!
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12:25:06 <_bjoern> Thanks, most depressing.
12:31:35 * nslater wibbles
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12:37:20 <nsh> oh jesus
12:37:36 <nsh> bush to appear on "deal or no deal"
12:37:57 <nsh> i'm starting to really sympathise with those sandwich-board end-is-nigh guys lately
12:39:07 <Arnia> _bjoern: Enjoy the spooky spinning statue
12:39:14 <_bjoern> nu
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12:56:56 <nsh> .gc "triple entendre"
12:56:57 <phenny> "triple entendre": 9,410
12:57:03 <nsh> .gc "quadruple entendre"
12:57:04 <phenny> "quadruple entendre": 999
12:57:10 <nsh> .gc "quintuple entendre"
12:57:11 <phenny> "quintuple entendre": 326
12:57:21 <nsh> .gc "sextuple entendre"
12:57:21 <phenny> "sextuple entendre": 39
12:57:28 <nsh> .gc "septuple entendre"
12:57:29 <phenny> "septuple entendre": 6
12:57:36 <nsh> .gc "octuple entendre"
12:57:37 <phenny> "octuple entendre": 19
12:57:43 <nsh> hm
12:57:50 <nsh> .gc "nontuple entendre"
12:57:51 <phenny> "nontuple entendre": 0
12:58:04 <nsh> .g "octuple entendre"
12:58:05 <phenny> nsh: http://300.mpm.org.au/index.php?paged=2&s=natethewriter
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13:08:47 <sbp> .title http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/pbonline.html
13:08:48 <phenny> sbp: Poetry Publishers Who Accept Electronic Submissions
13:09:01 <sbp> there's a list of 425 online poetry journals
13:09:23 <sbp> I wonder what would happen if you submitted a different poem to every single one?
13:09:51 <nslater> .title http://piwik.org/
13:09:55 <phenny> nslater: Piwik - Web analytics - Open source
13:09:59 <sbp> just over one a day, would take a year
13:10:10 <nslater> ... woo yay, I have been waiting for this software for years!
13:10:14 <sbp> then again, I'll bet a good poet could bang out five online journal worthy poems a day
13:10:18 <sbp> or ten. or twenty
13:10:23 <sbp> (or thirty)
13:11:10 <sbp> I like the ones that say “Accepts email only from poets outside the United States”
13:11:13 <sbp> hehe
13:12:29 <sbp> (the idea is that I just looked through a bunch of them and the poetry is in general... well some of it's not *bad* exactly, but so much of it is in a very strange sort of contemporary tone)
13:12:56 <sbp> it's almost all either domestic or impressionistic, for a start
13:13:15 <sbp> lots of the usual tawdry and clichéd subjects
13:13:28 <sbp> and it masturbates its words
13:13:31 <sbp> into lines
13:13:38 <sbp> like this. silent. amalgamated
13:13:42 <sbp> modern. horrible
13:13:45 <sbp> floating
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13:13:48 <sbp> effervecent
13:13:56 <sbp> like the boobs of some unravaged maiden
13:14:02 <sbp> from a mediæval fortress
13:14:02 <nsh> "silence amalgamated" would be an awesome name for a thing
13:14:06 <sbp> in your mind
13:14:07 <sbp> on mars
13:14:10 <sbp> hehe
13:14:11 <nslater> mm, boobs, unravaged...
13:14:15 <coax> heh
13:14:27 <nsh> oh no
13:14:28 <sbp> coax: hellos. phenny help?
13:14:44 <nsh> transistor-radio meltdown?
13:14:46 <coax> nope sir im just dropping by
13:15:06 <nsh> umbilical-cord scansion?
13:15:15 <nsh> .gc "real scansion"
13:15:16 <phenny> "real scansion": 20
13:15:19 <sbp> coax: ah, okay. how did you find out about us?
13:15:29 <nsh> and how much do you know?
13:15:30 <nslater> coax: asl plox
13:15:33 <coax> sbp i have known about this channel since 2005
13:15:38 <sbp> oh, heh
13:15:41 <coax> when i came in and asked for warez
13:15:49 <coax> from morbus
13:15:50 <sbp> chuckle. do you always go by the nickname "coax"
13:15:56 <nslater> .swhack coax warez
13:16:02 <sbp> Morbus is never forthcoming with warez
13:16:03 <coax> no, i went as 'omnis'
13:16:03 <nsh> dark(OYAY< U HAS HAX NOI?)
13:16:07 <sbp> ah
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13:16:31 <sbp> 03:59:46 <omnis> like what kind of fun stuff can one do only in linux
13:16:32 <sbp> 04:00:56 <jsled> only in linux?
13:16:32 <sbp> 04:01:45 <crschmidt> Kill people.
13:16:33 <phenny> nslater: Sorry, no results found.
13:16:44 <coax> haha
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13:16:49 <coax> yep
13:17:13 <nsh> oh man
13:17:15 <coax> im a musician not a computer guy
13:17:32 <nsh> we should set up a markovbot of every person who's ever come in here that hasn't said over a certain number of lines
13:17:39 <nslater> hehe
13:17:43 <sbp> ooh
13:17:43 <nslater> that's doable
13:17:45 <nsh> and call it newbatron
13:17:49 <nslater> wow...
13:17:58 <sbp> or newbatrox?
13:18:04 <nslater> newbatron
13:18:11 <coax> that's catchy
13:18:14 <nsh> or newbatista
13:18:15 <sbp> <Homer> Good words end in mania. Or teria!
13:18:16 <nsh> yeah
13:18:18 <nsh> MINE
13:18:26 <sbp> newbateria
13:18:37 <nsh> newbolynesia
13:18:45 <nsh> oh man, i'd live in new bolynesia
13:18:55 <nsh> that place would be full of belly-dancing samoans hitting hookahs
13:18:57 <nslater> sounds like a venereal disease
13:19:17 <nsh> *you* sound like a venereal disease
13:19:31 <nsh> coax, what kind music y'all play?
13:19:45 <coax> solely on the computer so far
13:19:47 <sbp> There is a poetic form
13:19:49 <coax> and some piano
13:19:54 <sbp> that encompasseth tat
13:20:04 <sbp> and takes it. unknowing. unloving. unforming
13:20:10 <sbp> into the realm of ARSE
13:20:30 <sbp> this stuff is all really annoying
13:20:31 <coax> which means electronic music :p
13:20:32 <nslater> I once won a poetry competition with a poem structured like that
13:20:40 <sbp> all the impressionistic stuff is just really bad impressionism
13:20:45 <nsh> coax, do you deal in black frequencies ever?
13:20:57 <sbp> the only poems that actually say anything that means something are all domestic
13:20:59 <nslater> it was a pisstake actually, but I got first prize, which was pretty lulz
13:21:03 <coax> dunno what they are
13:21:09 <coax> i dont have any music theory either
13:21:09 <sbp> "I baked a turkey, in the night. its feet were white, were white, were white!"
13:21:13 <coax> im useless.
13:21:40 <nsh> the black frequencies elicit a reverse simplex response in the prefrontal cortex
13:21:51 <nslater> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2103/2423037063_888dd4777b_o.jpg
13:21:53 <nslater> hehehe
13:21:57 <coax> sounds complex, and kind of frightening
13:22:03 <nsh> the cortexual simplx algorithm is responsible to the time ordering of perceptions
13:22:11 <nsh> black frequencies make you hear things backwards
13:22:14 <nsh> and see inside out
13:22:18 <coax> heh
13:22:18 <sbp> hmm. about one in twenty of these journals looks reasonably respectible
13:22:18 <Monty> ?me does
13:22:23 <sbp> ?you does what
13:22:30 <sbp> ?question for Monty Jr.
13:22:36 <Monty> greed will getcha recipes are awesome, apparently; we presently understand the Revo with it, GO FOR IT!
13:22:42 <nsh> ah
13:22:47 <nsh> greed will get you reciples
13:22:52 <nslater> GOFORIT
13:22:52 <nsh> and recipes
13:23:09 <nsh> Monty, what you going phroar?
13:23:11 <Monty> I reckon farm + man = frail spam?
13:23:35 <sbp> yay, Kimora!
13:24:30 <nsh> this image was created as a homage to the black frequencies: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/Zbish/n211701378_31146348_3661.jpg
13:25:39 <coax> :)
13:26:37 <coax> nsh would you like to listen to one of my songs?
13:27:11 <sbp> to make it more interesting, perhaps I should submit things
13:27:13 <coax> i have practiced for 8 years by myself now
13:27:21 <sbp> then email after they've published asking to change one word
13:27:49 <nsh> coas, can you transcribe it into braile?
13:27:50 <sbp> coax: I'll bet you're almost ready to try the real thing now!
13:28:08 * nsh is deafblind
13:29:10 <coax> never
13:29:14 <coax> piano roll for ever
13:30:42 <coax> nsh you should've given me a chance though
13:31:04 <coax> what music do you listen to?
13:32:12 <nsh> hey, i'd love to listen to your music mang
13:32:20 <sbp> he is the music mang
13:32:25 <sbp> he has ten thousand men
13:32:35 <sbp> he makes them play till their fingers are gay
13:32:39 <nsh> the eat a lot of creme brule
13:32:42 <sbp> and then he nails them to big ben
13:32:56 <nsh> :-)
13:32:57 <sbp> man, that needs to be submitted to one of these places
13:33:19 * nsh wants to read marla singer fanfics
13:33:27 <sbp> .wik Marla Singer
13:33:29 <phenny> "Fight Club[1]| (1996) is the first published novel by American author Chuck Palahniuk." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marla_Singer
13:33:36 <sbp> lol what
13:33:42 <sbp> ? ? ?
13:33:46 <sbp> ?
13:33:48 <sbp> ?
13:33:51 <sbp> ?
13:33:51 <coax> she was a character in it
13:33:53 <sbp> !
13:33:54 <sbp> ah
13:33:56 <nsh> you no readseen fight club?!
13:34:05 <sbp> well, years and years ago
13:34:12 <sbp> was she the one played by Helena Bonham Carter?
13:34:27 <nsh> uh
13:34:31 <nsh> actors don't have names man
13:34:38 <nsh> that was debunked on mythbusters
13:34:39 <sbp> just say yes and let's fucking move on
13:34:43 <coax> well
13:34:45 <coax> http://www.mobiusdimension.com/dl2/coax-red_flags_1.mp3
13:34:47 <coax> heres one
13:35:02 <nsh> yes
13:35:03 <coax> first and last spam
13:35:07 <nsh> let's fucking move on
13:35:20 <nsh> .gs let's fucking *
13:35:21 <phenny> let's fucking *: die (7), rage (4), slit (3), rejoice (3), party (3), dance (3), war (2), thrashh (2), smoke (2), sing (2), rock (2), ride saturday (2), protest (2)
13:35:24 <sbp> asteroids are getting such a status symbol these days
13:35:26 <sbp> or something
13:35:33 <sbp> I should write a poem about asteroids
13:35:39 <sbp> The asteroids whizz round the sun
13:35:41 <nsh> coax, this sounds pretty cool
13:35:43 <sbp> Why do they? I don't know
13:35:49 <nsh> asteroid fanfic would also be awesome
13:35:52 <sbp> Perhaps our Lord had set them up
13:35:57 <sbp> To spin around like so
13:36:04 <sbp> But when one slams 'to Jupiter
13:36:08 <nsh> .gs * fanfic
13:36:09 <phenny> * fanfic: the (4), waystation (2), this (2), sweety's bsb (2), by (2), buffy (2)
13:36:10 <sbp> What of it, eh? What then?
13:36:12 <coax> nsh some parts are less good, but im still working on the production
13:36:16 <sbp> And also Jupiter's a word
13:36:22 <sbp> You shouldn't choose when you want to
13:36:24 <sbp> Make a rhyme
13:36:40 <sbp> Oh, except I meant to rhyme with then
13:36:49 <coax> nsh do you have a website
13:36:52 <nsh> omgomg
13:36:55 <nsh> .title http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2265656/1/
13:36:56 <phenny> nsh: Asteroids: Where the Stone Falls, a Asteroids fanfic - FanFiction.Net
13:36:58 <sbp> all you people writing in between my lines fucked me up
13:37:04 <nsh> you no used [[[
13:37:05 <sbp> asteroids fanfic?! oh man
13:37:11 <sbp> well, no, that is true
13:37:12 <nsh> ]]] makes it okay to rupt
13:37:29 <sbp> ]]][[[ <- agony
13:37:36 <nsh> lol
13:37:50 <nsh> agony is three pairs of square brackets, misaligned
13:37:59 <nsh> that would be a good opening for a punctuation fanfic
13:38:04 <nsh> or poem
13:38:07 <sbp> the closest possible ascii representationade
13:38:10 <sbp> ooh, yes
13:38:12 <sbp> Agony
13:38:15 <sbp> is three pairs
13:38:24 <sbp> o' interpolation braquettes
13:38:28 <sbp> mis aligned
13:38:40 <sbp> there we go. all modern and stuff
13:38:42 <nsh> oh man
13:38:52 <nsh> this is classic:
13:38:56 <nsh> [[[ After vaping the closest thing to a best friend I can remember with a stolen secret weapon, I must have blacked out from the shock.
13:38:56 <nsh> No, not the emotional shock. The uncontrollable fusion reaction from his dying ship that sewed the surrounding asteroids together into the ultimate modern art piece.
13:38:58 <nsh> ]]]
13:39:21 <sbp> a Mickey Mouse face, I'll bet
13:39:31 <nsh> definitely
13:39:37 <sbp> “Captain, the asteroids spell out a message to our people.”
13:39:45 <sbp> “What does it say, Ensign?”
13:39:50 * nsh tries to figure out a way to con that ba
13:40:00 <nsh> *black actor dude with the good narating voice
13:40:02 <sbp> “‘LOL SPACEMONKEYS ROOL U‘, sir.”
13:40:08 <nsh> into reading out this story over some music
13:40:17 <nsh> and then make millions from the record sales
13:40:24 <nsh> morgan freeman?
13:40:32 <sbp> .wik Morgan Freeman
13:40:32 <phenny> "Morgan Freeman (born June 1, 1937) is an Academy Award, Golden Globe, and Screen Actors Guild Award winning American actor, film director, and film narrator." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Freeman
13:40:38 <sbp> damn man
13:40:40 <sbp> dude is old!
13:40:50 <nsh> he's made out of centuries!
13:40:53 <sbp> hehe
13:41:50 <sbp> vape is a brilliant verb
13:41:55 * sbp vapes Monty
13:41:55 <Monty> "quintuple entendre": 19
13:42:00 <nsh> man
13:42:07 <nsh> poetry nomic would be a good multiplayer game
13:42:13 <sbp> how to play pls
13:42:18 <nsh> liek
13:42:43 <nsh> you take turns making quatrains/lines/phrases and also making rules about them
13:43:06 <sbp> like, the next line has to end in a vowel and contain the word “dinkum”?
13:43:19 <nsh> all a that kind jazzflakes
13:43:35 <nsh> but rules is can be more abstractshuned
13:43:47 <sbp> how to abstraction pls
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13:45:42 <nsh> forex, self-referencialise the rules: rule X applying in the proximity of text related to rule Y requires the next text to apply rule Q to rule P
13:45:54 <coax> are you guys academic comedians or something
13:46:01 <coax> this is confusing
13:46:15 *** nsh changed the topic to: "British Magical Realism? || <coax> are you guys academic comedians or something"
13:46:32 <sbp> some of us masturbate zoo animals for a living
13:46:40 <coax> haha
13:46:53 <nsh> oh man
13:46:59 <nsh> i met a girl once who had that job
13:47:04 <sbp> awesome
13:47:06 <nsh> she gave is some bogus respectable-sounding name
13:47:08 <sbp> did she try to touch you?
13:47:17 <nsh> but essentially, she had to watch and facilitate horse-sex
13:47:24 <sbp> hehe
13:47:32 <nsh> that remains to be disclosable
13:47:35 * sbp tries to think what job title would be
13:48:00 <nsh> Bestiality technician
13:48:13 <sbp> hehe
13:48:26 <sbp> Billy Connolly once talked about an American doctor friend of his who built a new fertility sperm donor ward thingy
13:48:38 <sbp> and the room where men had to masturbate was called a "masturbatorium"
13:48:39 <Monty> at all)
13:48:47 <nslater> Animal Autonanist
13:48:49 <sbp> which BC loved
13:49:03 <_bjoern> phenny, de "Papierkrieg"?
13:49:03 <phenny> _bjoern: "paper war" (de)
13:49:10 <nsh> sporesome
13:49:29 <nsh> .gcs "man spore" "man spores"
13:49:30 <phenny> "man spore" (5,330), "man spores" (145)
13:49:36 <nsh> .ety spore
13:49:37 <sbp> administrative zoospermia researcher, analyser, and collector
13:49:38 <phenny> "1836, from Mod.L. spora, from Gk. spora 'seed, a sowing,' related to sporos 'sowing,' and speirein 'to sow,' from PIE *sper- 'to strew' (see sprout)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=spore
13:49:41 <_bjoern> hmm paper war-fare, red tape
13:50:01 <nsh> it's how the west was won
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13:53:01 <sbp> good word: zoopanspermiographicamalistics
13:53:14 <_bjoern> You've been reading german texts again.
13:53:24 <sbp> DAS IST KEIN TRUE!
13:53:33 <_bjoern> Das ist indeed kein true.
13:53:34 <sbp> or ting
13:53:35 <coax> mobius is a good word
13:54:01 <sbp> I learn like one German word every month or so
13:54:11 <sbp> gonna take me a while before I can speak the language properly, but...
13:54:16 <_bjoern> how many do you forget per month?
13:54:21 <sbp> three
13:54:39 <coax> at least you have a system of sorts then
13:54:44 <sbp> yes!
13:54:59 <nsh> oh man
13:55:01 <nsh> that's a good idea
13:55:35 <nsh> (set up an irc event to semi-randomly say "yes!" after certain lines)
13:56:05 <sbp> certain lines? which lines, exactly?
13:56:16 <coax> you will just make people feel bad then when they find out
13:56:20 <coax> they are so excited
13:56:57 <nsh> PEOPLE NEVAR FIND OUT
13:57:22 <coax> YES!
14:05:56 <coax> .validate mobiusdimension.com
14:05:56 <phenny> coax: .validate has been replaced by .validate
14:05:59 <phenny> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'startswith' (file "/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/validate.py", line 15, in val)
14:06:15 <nslater> phennyfail
14:06:26 <plum> yes!
14:07:00 <nsh> what
14:07:12 <nsh> ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
14:07:31 <nsh> (one of the above s's is a p in disguise, can you see which?)
14:07:49 * nslater actually checked
14:07:57 <coax> yeah there is no p
14:08:05 <coax> mmeee
14:08:06 <nsh> man, it's in disguise
14:08:09 <nsh> i told y'all
14:08:21 <plum> yes!
14:08:27 <nsh> there are known unknowns and unknown unknowns
14:08:42 <nsh> that's commonly an unknown known
14:08:57 <coax> S -> what letter is in the S disguise
14:10:04 <coax> i should find something productive to do
14:10:08 <coax> like
14:10:42 <coax> nsh did you like the track?
14:13:59 <nsh> it was good yeah
14:14:27 <nsh> i wouldn't have it playsed at my funeral
14:14:30 <coax> thanks i appreciate it that
14:14:32 <coax> hehe
14:16:37 <coax> i make usually either symphonic or glitch/idm type
14:19:57 <sbp> 15:33 <nsh> ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
14:19:57 <sbp> 15:33 <nsh> (one of the above s's is a p in disguise, can you see which?)
14:19:57 <sbp> 15:33 * nslater actually checked
14:20:07 <sbp> me too. even though if I had read just one line down...
14:20:15 <plum> yes!
14:21:19 <nslater> .title http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/arquake/
14:21:22 <phenny> nslater: Interactive outdoor augmented reality collaboration system : About The ARQuake Project
14:21:26 <nslater> this is seriously cool :p
14:21:52 <sbp> still going through these journals
14:21:53 <sbp> [[[
14:21:54 <sbp> on through the delicate sunlight's
14:21:54 <sbp> woven quick kick to the
14:21:54 <sbp> solar system's dreamy gonad
14:22:00 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.ditchpoetry.com/jaymillar.htm
14:24:34 <kpreid> Monty: remind me in 3 hours to relaunch the bots
14:24:35 <Monty> kpreid: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sat Apr 19 18:49:27 BST 2008
14:25:24 <nslater> sounds vaguely like a line from a film
14:25:24 <sbp> http://www.duckymag.com/DIV/d4_cover.jpg
14:25:35 <nslater> wtf
14:27:52 <nslater> .title http://pac-txt.com/
14:27:53 <phenny> nslater: Pac-Txt: Pac-Man meets Zork
14:28:24 <nslater> haha, wow this is awesome
14:28:32 <sbp> http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/3836/314791019130775/264/939234/gse_multipart26256.jpg
14:28:51 <nslater> oooh, that's from Spirited Away
14:29:01 <nslater> or looks like one of the same characters
14:29:48 <nslater> though my guess it's a standard Chinese type fantasy animal
14:34:07 <sbp> [[[
14:34:07 <sbp> The Fossil Record currently seeks original work addressing the following theme:
14:34:07 <sbp> "Muscle Cars of the Nixon Era"
14:34:08 <sbp> ]]]
14:41:25 <sbp> all the best poetry in America seems to come from San Diego
14:41:27 <sbp> for some reason
14:43:09 <chandler> by backward inference from the purpose of poetry, we can infer that San Diego has the highest concentration of desirable but hard-to-get chicks in America
14:43:30 <sbp> ehheh
14:58:51 * nsh chuxxlates
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15:03:29 <nsh> wtfwtwfwtf
15:03:42 <cre8radix> heya
15:03:59 <nsh> weirdest 404 ever: http://www.haveit.com/itotallymadethisurlupmang
15:04:07 <nsh> 'sup 8ball?
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15:07:25 <sbp> .gc atlantoöccipital
15:07:25 <phenny> atlantoöccipital: 14,600
15:08:08 <_bjoern> .gc +atlantoöccipital
15:08:09 <phenny> +atlantoöccipital: 1,350
15:08:17 * Arnia grumbles
15:08:29 <Arnia> Damn Java
15:08:49 <nsh> maek it a splode
15:08:49 <_bjoern> Java is already damned.
15:09:30 <Arnia> I have a supertype, which is part of a syntax tree. Now, I want to implement equals on each subtype but be able to pass around things under the supertype
15:09:58 <Arnia> How do I force the reference into the subtype so that I may invoke the *specific* equals method?
15:10:48 <Arnia> Java seems to invoke the general method rather than the specific one of the reference
15:10:56 <_bjoern> cast?
15:10:59 <Arnia> (i.e., instances do not remember what type they're in)
15:11:09 <Arnia> _bjoern: I do not know which subtype I'm getting
15:11:23 <_bjoern> But Java lets you find out
15:12:40 <Arnia> How?
15:13:02 <Arnia> I do not want to do a ladder of instanceof expressions
15:13:33 <Arnia> (I have 31 node types, and it would get painful and hard to maintain)
15:14:15 <_bjoern> I'd code up a minimal example and ask in ##java or equivalent really.
15:14:44 <Arnia> ech... that almost makes me into a Java coder.
15:14:47 <_bjoern> As for a prettier method, I am not sure, but the many instanceofs would work.
15:14:58 * Arnia hits Java with a large stick
15:15:17 <_bjoern> Well if you *have* to code Java, you might aswell do a good job at it.
15:15:26 <Arnia> I wonder if forcing the equals method to be abstract would do it...
15:25:04 * Arnia cries
15:25:19 <Arnia> "I think you're missing the whole point of method overloading. Overloading is done on the basis of compile-time types." — http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t147990-objectgetclasscastobject-.html
15:26:32 <Arnia> Who the hell decided that erasing all this information at compile time was a good idea?
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15:35:06 <nsh> .ety dissembly
15:35:06 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "dissembly". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=dissembly
15:35:49 <jetscreamer> dissemble or dissassemble ... too many s's
15:36:21 <nsh> [Etymology: a. OF. dissimule-r (14th c. in Littré), ad. L. dissimulare to disguise, conceal, dissemble, f. dis-, dis- 4 + simulare to feign, after dissimil-is unlike, different. By development of b after m, and vowel modification, this word was gradually changed into dissemble, q.v.]
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15:41:20 <Arnia> Oh ouch
15:41:22 <Arnia> [[[
15:41:28 <Arnia> Method m = this.getClass().getMethod("equals", new Class[] {Object.class});
15:41:28 <Arnia> return ((Boolean) m.invoke(this, new Object[] {o})).booleanValue();
15:41:30 <Arnia> ]]]
15:42:05 <Arnia> aka Serious Indirection
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16:21:03 <sbp> <_bjoern> Well if you *have* to code Java, you might aswell do a good job at it.
16:21:09 <sbp> unless it means people using your code!
16:21:25 <sbp> don't lock people into using Java! Evil Domino Effect
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16:23:11 <z^> sbp: heh
16:24:28 <z^> phenny: "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."?
16:24:29 <phenny> z^: I think it's Latin, which I can't translate.
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16:41:10 <nslater> .g the java trap
16:41:10 <phenny> nslater: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
16:41:40 <nslater> .g java crap
16:41:41 <phenny> nslater: http://seekbrain.com/2004/09/09/java-is-crap/
16:41:45 <nslater> lol
16:42:26 <nslater> [[[
16:42:29 <nslater> SOO.. I’m like “Ok, well they have a seperate webpage for JFC/Swing”. So I figured I’d grab it from there. So I click “Downloads” and am sent to some Accesibility download page. I’m like WTF?!
16:42:33 <nslater> ]]]
16:42:33 <pwaring> htere's nowt wrong with java
16:42:39 <nsh> PWAARRRRIINNNGNGG
16:42:43 <nslater> GTFO
16:42:47 <nsh> vrrrmvrrmvrmmmmm
16:43:16 * nslater is like WTF?!
16:43:33 <nsh> PWARING PWARING PWARING
16:43:50 <nslater> nsh: pls be writing the pwaring song
16:43:54 <nsh> (that was three classes of awesome going past you at breakneck speed)
16:43:57 <nslater> nsh: make it like the frog song, but cooler
16:44:07 <nsh> i can't
16:44:13 <nsh> vow of nonproductivity
16:44:27 <nsh> i'm not allowed to contribute anything to the creative legacy of humanity in this incarnation
16:44:30 <nslater> fail
16:48:59 <Arnia> I have to write Java because everything else I need is written in Java. Ain't that fun.
16:49:14 <Arnia> Mind you, not long ago the same could be said for C which is also a nasty language
16:49:26 * pwaring likes C
16:49:36 * pwaring likes C++ even mre
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17:02:18 <nslater> .swhack Arnia idiot word
17:02:42 <phenny> nslater: Sorry, no results found.
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17:02:46 <nslater> pfft...
17:03:15 <nslater> Arnia, you gave an explantion of why you dislike it when people use the word idiot, do you remember?
17:03:24 <nslater> hmm
17:03:28 <nslater> .swhack ubuntu idiot
17:03:52 <phenny> nslater: Sorry, no results found.
17:04:05 <nslater> o_O
17:05:00 <nslater> .swhack ubuntu idiots
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17:05:23 <phenny> nslater: Sorry, no results found.
17:07:29 <nslater> .swhack used by people to make themselves feel superior
17:07:47 <phenny> nslater: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-03-31#T23-57-42
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17:17:00 <nsh> wait wait
17:17:06 <nslater> what
17:17:11 <nsh> sometimes people are just idiots
17:17:35 * nslater hides
17:17:35 <nsh> there's a world of difference between the use of the term for psychological relative-superiority self-conformational subjectivity
17:17:46 <nsh> and an objective statement about the poverty in reasoning capabilities of the stupid
17:18:31 <nsh> and to tarnish the reputation of the latter on account of the former is injustice against an elegant and concise term of judgement
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17:20:11 <nsh> *confirmational
17:20:14 <sbp> well he said it disliked it because it was "generally used" that was
17:20:19 <sbp> that way, even
17:20:22 <nsh> aye
17:20:23 <nsh> of course
17:20:42 <sbp> there are lots of terms that get all the usefulness eroded out of them because people start using them "wrongly"
17:20:50 <nslater> in the context of Arnia's original comment, I agree entirely with his critism of my words
17:20:54 <nsh> like "ad hominem"
17:20:57 <sbp> I had a good example the other day... I forget what it was
17:21:01 <sbp> I think I pasted it in here though
17:21:47 <nslater> sbp: did I upset you or sumthing ;_;
17:23:47 <sbp> nslater: nope, just getting bored in there
17:23:49 <nsh> sbp doesn't get upsetted
17:24:02 <nsh> sbp gets DANGEROUSLY DISHEVILLED
17:24:05 <sbp> pwaring's Java comment sent me over the edge... :-)
17:24:11 <nsh> PWAARING
17:24:16 <sbp> VROOOOOOOOOOME
17:24:16 <nslater> sbp, oh noes, for realz?
17:24:18 <nsh> i think we should have a rule
17:24:23 <nsh> that pwaring can only make car noises
17:24:37 <nsh> and has to talk enlish under a more different nick
17:24:47 <Monty> kpreid: You asked me to remind you to relaunch the bots
17:25:16 <sbp> yamang. well we don't chat much in there now anyway
17:25:34 <sbp> and I prefer to chat over here in any case because it's all logged
17:25:37 <sbp> sweet, sweet loggery
17:25:40 <nslater> pfft
17:26:22 <sbp> still trying to find that word... I think I spoke about it with Arnia
17:26:26 * sbp is grepping his logs
17:26:46 <nslater> this is your fault skwerl
17:26:50 <nsh> was it "bonkertatoes"?
17:27:04 <nsh> SKWEEEEERLRLLL!
17:27:05 <skwerl> how?
17:27:14 <nslater> do I need a reason?
17:27:20 <sbp> hehe
17:27:24 <sbp> I can talk to her here too!
17:27:30 <sbp> Swhack: fun for *all* the family
17:28:03 <sbp> ah! “precious”!
17:28:16 <sbp> you used to be able to say “that's precious” and not mean it pejoratively
17:28:46 <sbp> so I started using it in its old sense, thinking it had only just started to shift
17:28:55 <sbp> and then I looked it up and found that it started to shift in the 19th century
17:28:58 <sbp> so, like, d'oh
17:29:01 <sbp> lost cause
17:29:07 <sbp> I'm sure there are much better examples
17:29:15 <sbp> I don't even re... oh right, idiot
17:29:56 * nsh uses "special" in the shifted sense of "precious"
17:30:05 <sbp> oh. that's just special
17:30:06 <skwerl> I prefer to see idiot used over retard
17:30:13 <sbp> yeah...
17:30:14 <nsh> and also a term of endearment in a ironic reverse-shifted sense
17:30:25 <nsh> yeah, things are retarded
17:30:26 <sbp> retard is pretty much an American thing, though
17:30:32 <nsh> but people aren't retards
17:30:34 <sbp> rare on this side of the pond, I think
17:30:43 <nsh> oh man
17:30:44 <skwerl> well, I'm American *shrug*
17:30:47 <nsh> i just had a great idea
17:31:03 <nsh> they should use all this modern science and technology jazz
17:31:09 <sbp> yeah, just noting it. dunno why
17:31:21 <nsh> to try and skip something all the way across the atlantic
17:31:31 <sbp> (I guess because it took me a while to figure that out)
17:31:35 <nsh> some sorts very rapidly spinning disc with stabalising stuffs
17:31:42 <nsh> *sort of
17:31:50 <sbp> hmm. they should use that USNO laser disc thing
17:32:04 <sbp> they shot the side of a disc with a laser to make it rotate at super speedz
17:32:07 <nsh> i have no idea what you're referring to and yet feel inclined to complete agree
17:32:13 <nsh> oh, that's awesome
17:32:16 <sbp> it was the fastest object in the world for a while
17:32:19 <sbp> possibly still is
17:32:24 <nsh> right
17:32:26 <nsh> it's settled
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17:32:32 <nsh> using lasers to skip shit over to america
17:32:32 <Monty> potty mouth!
17:32:42 <nsh> is the new objective of britain
17:32:57 <nsh> all resources are to be applying to this end starting immediately
17:33:03 <nsh> *applied
17:33:56 <sbp> hmm: “Believe it or not, aluminium pellets were propelled to solar escape velocity in the late 1950’s. This speed was achieved by firing them with a shaped explosive charge from a Redstone missile at the top of its trajectory. Whether the pellets were fired earthward or spaceward, I would like to know. Can anyone on this forum elaborate?”
17:34:00 <sbp> - http://www.bautforum.com/questions-answers/40282-whats-fastest-man-made-thing.html
17:34:16 <sbp> should we attach anything to send over there?
17:34:25 <sbp> might be better to ship it normally
17:36:26 <sbp> another hmm: “There were two in the series, Helios I and Helios II. They were launched into heliocentric orbit to study solar processes. They set a speed record for as the fastest man-made objects ever at 252,792 km/h (70.2 km/s).” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_probes
17:38:29 <sbp> “Smaller species of insects are more difficult to measure as demonstrated by an entomologist who claimed to have clocked a deer botfly at 800 mph (1,290 km/h), faster than the speed of sound!” - http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/performance/q0023.shtml
17:40:42 <nsh> awesome
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17:45:37 <sbp> neat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(speed)
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17:47:42 <nsh> OOOWWWWDDEEER
17:47:53 <nsh> LEMON SHUUUURBERT
17:48:21 <nsh> wait
17:49:00 <nsh> the moon is gets further away from you the longers you hair becomes!?
17:49:24 <nsh> MOOOOON COME BACK I@LL SHAVE
17:50:33 <nsh> .wik Moreton wave
17:50:34 <phenny> "A Moreton wave is the chromospheric signature of a large-scale solar coronal shock wave ." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moreton_wave
17:50:46 <nsh> ^^ in my head, i'm surfing these
17:50:58 <nsh> and it is frankly immensful
17:53:32 <sbp> [[[
17:53:33 <sbp> Over a sustained period of time, the fastest objects are the satellites and probes sent from Earth to other planets. For example, Voyager 1 is currently travelling at 17.4 km/sec. That translates into covering about 3.5 times the distance from the Sun to the Earth in a year.
17:53:33 <sbp> For short durations, in some cases milliseconds or less, other man-made objects may travel faster. Since much of the work is restricted, it is difficult to determine the maximum speed for projectiles from rail guns and other exotic weaponary. However, some open literature work does indicate the possibility of achieving muzzle speeds higher than 10 km/sec.
17:53:40 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-05/895168116.Eg.r.html
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17:54:14 <sbp> I thought the moon was receding faster than that
17:54:45 <sbp> “New Horizons was launched on January 19, 2006 directly into an Earth- and solar-escape trajectory. It had an Earth-relative velocity of about 16.21 km/s (36,260 mph) after its last engine shut down, making it the fastest spacecraft launch to date.” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Horizons
17:54:57 <sbp> nowhere near Helios I though
18:01:07 * nsh read that as "directly into the earth at solar-escape velocity"
18:01:12 <nsh> which would have been much cooler
18:01:56 <nsh> i reckon if we destructinate the earth we'll get given a new one, just like when you're a kid.
18:02:16 <nsh> a belief i apparantly share with a sizable community of north american religious lunatics
18:02:48 <sbp> looks marginally cool: http://www.jstor.org/pss/455847
18:02:57 <sbp> but not enough for me to bother to log in and download
18:03:08 <sbp> nsh: hehe
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18:04:17 * nsh relocates himself homewards
18:04:22 <sbp> g'bai
18:04:34 <sbp> THINK MOONWARDS
18:04:38 <sbp> MOVE HOMEWARDS
18:04:41 <nsh> ALWAYS
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18:13:25 <_bjoern> http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/bildgalerie_pfalzstorch/details.php?image_id=23554
18:13:41 <_bjoern> http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/bildgalerie_pfalzstorch/details.php?image_id=23550
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18:22:03 <Xoverpod> iPod Touch rules!
18:23:33 <sbp> you're using it?
18:23:37 <sbp> oh, yeah, mibbit
18:23:38 <sbp> awesome
18:23:43 <sbp> how easy to type?
18:23:53 <Xoverpod> mibbit on iPod... Not so much.
18:24:07 <sbp> the tape thing is moving towards the eggs! ônoez!
18:24:28 <Xoverpod> Typing is... Takes getting used to.
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18:41:55 <nsh> [[[
18:42:34 <nsh> ]]] wait
18:43:47 <nsh> acrobat won't let me copy from this pdf for some stupid reason
18:47:11 <nsh> .wik Laud
18:47:12 <phenny> "Laud (verb) means to give praise to or glorify." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laud
18:48:06 <nsh> which is a shame because its win content is over 9000
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18:49:59 <nsh> .wik Diminutive
18:49:59 <phenny> "A diminutive is a formation of a word used to convey a slight degree of the root meaning, smallness of the object or quality named, encapsulation, intimacy, or endearment." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminutive
18:50:14 <nsh> i mean
18:50:17 <nsh> .ety diminutive
18:50:18 <phenny> "1398, from O.Fr. diminutif (fem. diminutive), from L. diminutivum, from deminuere (see diminish)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=diminutive
18:50:55 <nsh> .ety diminish
18:50:55 <phenny> "1417, from merger of two obsolete verbs, diminue and minish." - http://etymonline.com/?term=diminish
18:51:30 <nsh> oOo, nice
18:57:51 <nsh> [[[
18:57:51 <nsh> ]]] damn, still not working
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19:06:36 <nsh> sbp: you absolutely have to read this if i can't quote from it
19:06:48 <nsh> http://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/fichero_articulo?codigo=112474&orden=0
19:06:51 <nsh> [pdf]
19:07:24 * sbp chuckles at email
19:07:26 <sbp> downloadings
19:07:27 <Monty> problem
19:07:34 <nsh> Monty, solution
19:07:36 <Monty> I firmly believe that butt is unmetered?
19:07:46 <sbp> this better not be in Spanish
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19:07:55 <nsh> not entirely
19:08:15 <_bjoern> he means AT ALL
19:08:23 <sbp> wow. there's something wrong with it
19:08:27 <sbp> bold words and ting
19:08:37 <nsh> yeah
19:08:43 <nsh> that's annoying in an awesome kinda way
19:08:50 <nsh> scanning artefact, i guess
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19:09:08 <sbp> ah, password protection thingy
19:09:10 <sbp> annoying that
19:09:31 <sbp> .gc AMPHIBOLOGY
19:09:32 <phenny> AMPHIBOLOGY: 22,600
19:12:11 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus I was just looking at some archive data from 2005-01 and I noticed a file starting with the name "Secret", so I take a look at it and the full file name is: Secret-Plans-To-Indoctrinate-Morbus-Out-Of-Ghyll-And-Into-The-World-Of-Organised-Homoerotic-Squid-Farming-If-He-Is-Not-Already-Into-It-1.txt
19:12:11 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Morbus is around.
19:12:30 <nsh> rofl
19:13:03 <sbp> the -1 is just the icing on the cake
19:13:07 <sbp> like there's going to be a whole series
19:13:23 <sbp> I have no idea what it's all about, incidentally
19:13:50 <nsh> who authored it?
19:15:02 <nsh> .wik concisioin
19:15:03 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "concisioin".
19:15:04 <nsh> .wik concision
19:15:06 <phenny> "Noam Chomsky is a widely known intellectual, political activist, and critic of the foreign policy of the United States and other governments." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Noam_Chomsky
19:15:22 <nsh> .gd concision
19:15:23 <phenny> concision: Those who would enforce circumcision on Gentile Christians.
19:16:00 <nsh> TR: modern day heroes
19:20:14 <nslater> sbp: http://listverse.com/science/20-amazing-and-unusual-weather-phenomena/
19:20:19 <nsh> "If you see young ladies naked, from behind, with their arms folded across in front of them, aren't their bodies violin- or chello-like?...And, oh yes, violins and cellos are for playing on."
19:20:34 <nslater> sbp: no real explanation of sorts, but there are some photos I think you might like
19:24:30 <nslater> wow: http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=Mammatus+Clouds
19:25:55 * nsh saw an awesome moon bow a couple of months ago at the hippie camp
19:26:04 <nsh> and while we were appreciating it
19:26:06 <nslater> the hippie camp?
19:26:07 <nsh> there was a shooting star
19:26:23 <nsh> civilian service ordination training
19:27:03 <xover> .gc "Secret Plans To Indoctrinate Morbus Into The World Of Organised Homoerotic Squid Farming"
19:27:04 <phenny> "Secret Plans To Indoctrinate Morbus Into The World Of Organised Homoerotic Squid Farming": 0
19:27:13 <nsh> i call it hippie camp because it was full of the kind of people who won't do military service and it was as laid back as anything non-horizontal could be
19:27:47 * xover goes to bed praying that image will fade from his retinas before falling asleep…
19:28:54 <nsh> you drew a picture of what you imagined Morbus farming squids homoerotically would look like and then stared at it?!?
19:31:29 <nsh> fire whirls == vraiement superb
19:32:52 <sbp> woah, nice mammatus picture on there
19:33:09 <sbp> woah! St. Elmo's fire picture!
19:33:10 <sbp> awesome
19:34:13 <deltab> 2nd ep of Pushing Daisies is on ITV1 next (followed of course by a movie with 'Pie' in the name)
19:35:18 <nsh> .wik Pushing Daisies television series
19:35:19 <phenny> "Pushing Daisies is a Golden Globe-nominated American television dramedy created by Bryan Fuller (creator of Dead Like Me and co-creator of Wonderfalls) who also serves as executive producer alongside Bruce Cohen, Dan Jinks, Brooke Kennedy (episodes 2-7), Peter Ocko [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushing_Daisies
19:35:30 <nsh> ffffs
19:35:33 <nsh> stupid wikipedians
19:35:48 <nsh> i don't give a shit what some bunch of cunts' names are and who they fellated to get their jobs
19:35:53 <nsh> tell me what the fucking show's about
19:37:17 <deltab> a pie-maker who can bring the dead back to life, in a quirky Amelie-style world
19:37:30 <nsh> awesome
19:38:03 <nsh> i hope the it gets progressively darker and more twisted as the story arc progresses
19:38:09 <nslater> sbp: glad you liked it, the st. elmos fire photo specifically suprised me
19:40:00 <kpreid> Arnia!!!
19:41:08 <kpreid> phenny: tell Arnia re equals, Java *should* work that way -- more info about how it isn't?
19:41:08 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
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19:43:45 <deltab> oh, it's the 3rd ep, thanks to Euro 2008
19:44:51 <nsh> .gc poly-entendre
19:44:51 <phenny> poly-entendre: 249
19:44:53 <nsh> .gc poly-entendres
19:44:54 <phenny> poly-entendres: 12
19:46:53 <sbp> nslater: yeah, thanks!
19:47:22 <sbp> nsh: Coleridge saw a good moonbow at Keswick once
19:47:31 <nsh> or lied about seeing one
19:47:39 <nslater> hehe
19:47:50 <sbp> MAYBE
19:48:08 <nsh> considering that keswick is a made up place
19:48:16 <sbp> can't find the note. perhaps I didn't transcribe it yet
19:48:22 <sbp> or perhaps I made it up
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19:48:28 <nsh> i have to lean to the conclusion that coleridge was actual a lizard-person
19:48:35 <sbp> that was Jim Morrison
19:48:40 <nsh> who had to make up stories about the missing hours in which he was consipiring-
19:48:42 <nsh> oh, right
19:48:59 <nsh> the other day
19:49:16 <nsh> i had a strong random desire to know what the most bizarre request that jimmy saville ever granted was
19:49:41 <nsh> i wish jim'll fix it was still around
19:53:02 <sbp> yeah. didn't they bring it back for a little while?
19:53:05 <sbp> oh right, that one off special
19:53:14 <sbp> though they only let people who were on it before go back on, I think
19:53:29 <sbp> which seemed a bit like... hey, they already got their turn!
19:53:55 <deltab> "This new series, which sees the return of Sir Jim (complete with customary jewellery, garish tracksuits and big red chair), began on April 5, 2007 on UKTV Gold and was actually titled Jim'll Fix It Strikes Again. The series set out to show classic moments from the original shows, 're-fix' it for some of the original participants, and make dreams come true for a number of new people."
19:54:00 <nsh> yeah
19:54:19 <nsh> but i want a new version
19:54:27 <nsh> where only awesomely comical requests are granted
19:54:43 <sbp> ooh, there were some new ones?
19:54:44 <nsh> involving massive orchestration to create absurdist situations
19:54:59 <deltab> "An example of the latter is the woman featured in the first episode who, inspired by watching Strictly Come Dancing, wanted to dance with pro dancer Ian Waite after having not danced for several decades. She was paired-up with Ian and actually got to dance the tango in front of the Strictly Come Dancing studio audience and panel of Judges."
19:55:00 <sbp> new requests granted, I mean
19:55:09 <sbp> sweet
19:56:00 <sbp> man, Mississippi John Hurt was really good
19:57:16 <nsh> are you making up things and them describing them in praisive terms again?
19:58:28 <sbp> not even! Wikipedia ASSIST:
19:58:34 <sbp> .wik Mississippi John Hurt
19:58:34 <phenny> "'Mississippi' John Smith Hurt (March 8, 1892,[1]| Teoc, Carroll County, Mississippi - November 2, 1966, Grenada, Mississippi) was an influential blues singer and guitarist." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_John_Hurt
19:58:48 <nsh> http://www.freewebs.com/polyentendre/comic12series3.htm
19:58:54 <nsh> oh cool
19:59:03 <nsh> fictional guys make the best music
20:00:17 <sbp> somewhere you've gotten this notion that things can be fictional
20:00:37 <sbp> if you read it in a novel, you might want to consider the possibility that things can be fictional is itself a fiction
20:00:53 <nsh> that's just an urban legend
20:00:57 <sbp> hehe
20:02:08 * nsh has finally progressed to just eating the insides of the cappucino oreo-analogues
20:03:03 <sbp> the ones you were having the other day?
20:03:08 <sbp> that is a delay manschool
20:03:19 <nsh> yahman
20:05:16 <sbp> nslater: found the source: http://www.meteoros.de/bildarchiv/image.php?page=1&gallery_id=197&image_id=1621
20:05:33 <sbp> [[[
20:05:34 <sbp> This bright St. Elmo's fire was photographed by Martin Popek from Czech Republic during a flight to Antalya, Turkey.
20:05:34 <sbp> Aufnahmedatum: 24.3.2006
20:05:34 <sbp> ]]]
20:05:50 <nslater> nice
20:06:05 <sbp> also: http://atmospherical.blogspot.com/2007/11/st-elmos-fire-in-switzerland.html
20:07:10 <nslater> http://www.weatherscapes.com/photo.php?cat=photo_month&id=d-060821-corona
20:07:17 <sbp> aye, got that too. hehe
20:07:21 <sbp> was just about to paste it
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20:08:23 <nsh> you're pasteit
20:08:31 <nslater> nu
20:10:40 <_bjoern> Steal your own lines.
20:11:18 <nslater> how would that work?
20:11:25 <nsh> with badgers and pie
20:11:40 <nslater> but will it scale?
20:11:52 <_bjoern> Depends on your ability to grow.
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20:15:32 <sbp> g'nacht!
20:16:32 <nslater> night night
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20:18:02 <Monty> hi nsh_, how ya doing?
20:18:37 <nsh_> Monty, i'm exuding fantasticisms, thanks
20:18:38 <Monty> enormous family?!
20:20:33 <nsh_> i want a inner-ear-fluid-attracting hat magnet
20:20:44 <nsh_> so i can walk around and it'll be like the world's upside down
20:20:53 <nsh_> and i'm walking on earth-ceiling
20:21:02 <nsh_> and could drop to infinity at any moment
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20:46:15 <Mike_L> which version of Linux shall I install on my PC?
20:47:51 *** jewel (n=jewel@dsl-242-159-04.telkomadsl.co.za) has joined #swhack
20:49:18 <nsh_> Pimp Linux
20:49:35 <nsh_> it's bling, and it makes sure you get yo money
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21:18:49 <Monty> hi BigJibby_lap
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21:44:12 * Mike_L downloads Ubuntu 8.04 RC Desktop AMD64 via BitTorrent
21:44:17 <Mike_L> BitTorrent is so cool
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21:52:04 <nsh_> subversively cool
21:52:08 <nsh_> like blackula
21:52:08 <Monty> Pimp Linux
21:52:28 <nsh_> Monty, redhat seem to be doing an okay job of that already
21:52:30 <Monty> aye, got that too. hehe
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22:31:20 <nsh> .w bigotry
22:31:31 <nsh> .gd bigotrry
22:31:32 <phenny> bigotrry: No definition found!
22:31:35 <nsh> .gd bigotry
22:31:35 <phenny> bigotry: the intolerance and prejudice of a bigot
22:31:41 <nsh> .gd bigot
22:31:41 <phenny> bigot: A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.
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22:40:54 <Monty> hi ja, how ya doing?
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23:04:25 <nsh> O wad some power the giftie gie us
23:04:25 <nsh> To see oursels as others see us!
23:04:25 <nsh> It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
23:04:25 <nsh> An' foolish notion.
23:04:37 <guysoft42> hi, i want to write a plugin for a irc bot in python, is there a one that its recommended for me to start with? and is there any documentation that anyone can recommend?
23:05:28 <ja> pynpho/phenny
23:05:36 <ja> or if you dont mind interpreter startup time per invocation, Eggdrop
23:05:49 <ja> actualy theres maybe a way to do it w/o that.. using callbacks and suchlike
23:06:02 <ja> i just use eggdrop since my scripts are python/ruby/tcl/perl/haskell
23:06:09 <nsh> .wik Countertransference
23:06:09 <phenny> "In psychotherapy, counter-transference is a condition where the therapist, as a result of the therapy sessions, begins to transfer the therapist's own unconscious feelings to the patient." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countertransference
23:06:48 <ja> i can attest to the existence of that
23:07:44 <nsh> care to ellaborate?
23:08:03 <guysoft42> ja, i am looking for the one that will be easy to figure out. since i am new to this.