00:00:11 <nslater> hmm
00:00:24 <nslater> Monty: in 62964000 hours remind me to laugh about being 125
00:00:25 <Monty> kilt == websites;
00:00:41 <nslater> YOU FAIL AT BEING THE BUTT OF MY JOKES MONTY
00:00:41 <Monty> Why do you say your jokes monty ?
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00:02:53 <nslater> Monty: remind me in 62964000 hours to laugh about being 125
00:02:54 <Monty> nslater: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sat Mar 16 00:28:47 GMT 9191
00:02:57 <nslater> YES!
00:03:06 <nslater> but I fail at maths, apparently
00:03:19 <Arnia> 9191?
00:03:21 <Arnia> Wow
00:03:50 <Arnia> .calc 100 years in hours
00:03:51 <phenny> 100 years in hours = 876581.27707 hours
00:03:52 <nslater> Monty: remind me in 876000 hours to laugh about being 125
00:03:52 <Monty> nslater: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Wed Mar 28 01:29:46 BST 2108
00:04:16 <nslater> dunno where i got my first figure from
00:04:38 <Arnia> It was further in the future than Saturday's Doctor Who
00:04:46 <nslater> Monty: remind me in 9999999 hours to laugh at Jibbler while he cleans out your remind database of my useless junk
00:04:46 <Monty> nslater: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sat Feb 05 15:30:40 GMT 3149
00:04:49 <Arnia> Which was 41xx
00:05:30 <cre8radix|afk> http://tinyurl.com/3vf2sh
00:05:39 <nslater> .title
00:06:24 <nslater> LOL!
00:06:49 <cre8radix|afk> :D
00:08:49 <phenny> nslater: YouTube - Mr Burns get rickrolled
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00:13:42 <Monty> yes, well right to work with art, the defence is turning into nsh... help!
00:14:24 <nslater> Monty: on noes, MORE things are turning into nsh?
00:14:27 <Monty> five vowel... hmm. no communication which can we talked about.
00:20:38 <Arnia> .calc $45000 in GBP
00:20:40 <phenny> $45000 in GBP = 22516.32 GBP
00:25:43 <nslater> right, enough for me... bed time! night .o/
00:26:09 <Arnia> .calc £28000 in USD
00:26:12 <phenny> £28000 in USD = 55960.8 USD
00:26:43 <Arnia> Uh... my postdoc salary is apparently equivalent to an associate professor at Temple
00:26:49 <Arnia> good grief
00:27:06 <Arnia> .calc £55000 in USD
00:27:08 <phenny> £55000 in USD = 109914.2 USD
00:27:29 <Arnia> hah
00:27:57 <Arnia> £55k is the typical salary of a reader (equivalent grade to an associate professor) here
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00:28:38 <Arnia> At least according the job ads in the Times Higher Education supplement today
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00:40:21 <Arnia> What the hell... http://www.dur.ac.uk/about/facts/staff/
00:40:33 <Arnia> Academic staff: 677.1
00:40:46 <Arnia> uh, I want to meet this tenth of a person
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00:59:08 <kpreid> One-tenth academic, nine-tenths...
01:28:10 <deltab> and on http://www.dur.ac.uk/about/facts/student/ only the Faculty of Science has just whole numbers
01:29:50 <deltab> though the numbers don't quite add up to the total
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01:34:24 <deltab> "Mathematical Sciences"?
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03:02:45 <Monty> But what does BigJibby_lap_ have to do with the price of fish?
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04:58:07 <Mike_L> Monty: bow before me
04:58:10 <Monty> knob's Snooker sits on LuRcH-esque swings.
04:59:39 <tonybaloney867> Monty: Do you only speak when you're spoken to? How very very Victorian.
04:59:44 <Monty> Does AM-nty react to build a break... which has outbid all or the Khazars: A lot longer
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06:33:35 <Mike_L> Monty: no longer
06:33:37 <Monty> goodie :) The bots are ))
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07:46:53 <Monty> lo MoiraA
07:57:51 <sbp> yo
07:57:52 <phenny> sbp: 20 Apr 21:30Z <nslater> tell sbp that reductionism as he described it is not a new concecpt, much as deltab pointed out Hofstadter uses the word in exactly the same sense in his in depth discussions of redictionist vs. holistic approaches to mind
07:57:53 <phenny> sbp: 20 Apr 21:31Z <nslater> tell sbp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductionism
07:58:00 <phenny> sbp: 20 Apr 21:35Z <nslater> tell sbp that Hofstadter's thesis is that both approaches are fundamentally flawed when taken in isolation and has wonderful drawing of the word "Mu" that is composed of the words "reductionism" and "holism" which are further composed of the same words in alternate order, unfortunately Google doesn't seem to be able to find a copy - noteworthy is he uses a sentient ant colony to introduce the topic, on what level do you describe
07:58:02 <phenny> sbp: 20 Apr 23:12Z <Arnia> tell sbp about your mistake just before here: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-20#T22-45-15
07:58:36 <_bjoern> lo p
07:58:53 <sbp> yo _
07:59:00 <sbp> (mistake?)
08:00:05 <_bjoern> I could /nick bjoern_ if that'd help
08:01:36 <sbp> it's almost as easy to type _ as b
08:01:48 <sbp> mistake? -> your mistake -> phenny's mistake - > which mistake?
08:02:14 <_bjoern> i dunnot peep ur massages
08:02:28 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater thanks. why so reductionist if you know so much about it then? :-)
08:02:29 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
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08:03:15 <_bjoern> I was going "lo" and "p" are both from the end, whereas "_" from the beginning, and "yo", well.
08:04:03 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greedy_reductionism - interesting
08:04:29 <_bjoern> I got excessively radiated by the swiss sun.
08:04:41 <sbp> no way. the Swiss sun is madboppy
08:04:57 <sbp> did you bring back good chocolates?
08:05:03 <sbp> and maybe some Swiss ladies
08:05:24 <sbp> who, for the sake of argument, we'll assume are buxom
08:05:47 <_bjoern> No, I ate in germany. Don't want to know what these crazy switzerpeople put in their foods!
08:06:39 <sbp> whatever it is, it's undeniably clean
08:08:12 <_bjoern> This should be about the area http://maps.google.com/maps?sll=47.661283,9.172082&sspn=0.02136,0.039911&ll=47.654982,9.177125&spn=0.010681,0.019956&t=h&z=16
08:09:03 <sbp> ah, you didn't venture far in then
08:09:08 <sbp> looks like about half a yard
08:09:13 <sbp> probably sensible
08:09:43 <sbp> man, my geography sucks
08:09:52 <sbp> I couldn't even have guessed at which end of the border that was
08:09:59 <_bjoern> They are all Schengen now, no border to speak of
08:10:10 <sbp> ...and I still don't know what lake it is
08:10:18 <_bjoern> .wik Bodensee
08:10:20 <phenny> "Lake Constance or Lake of Constance (German and Alemannic Bodensee) is a large lake on the Rhine between Germany, Switzerland, and Austria." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodensee
08:10:25 <sbp> aha
08:10:49 <sbp> well that I've heard of, but I can't remember from where
08:10:59 <sbp> Michael Palin perhaps. heh
08:12:05 <sbp> “The lake itself is an important drinking water source for south-west Germany called Bodenseewasserversorgung”
08:12:48 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Constance#Geographic_oddity - coolz
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08:13:32 <Monty> Thank goodness, idickinson is back!
08:13:49 <sbp> .wik Alemannic
08:13:50 <phenny> "Alemannic is used to refer to the Alemanni/Alamanni, a Germanic tribe of the 1st millennium." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alemannic
08:14:09 <_bjoern> Someone needs to make a strip off junk from urls service
08:14:25 <_bjoern> like the &ie=... in google urls, unneeded session ids, ...
08:15:09 <Mike_L> there's a very complicated border around Schafflhausen
08:15:10 <sbp> http://g.photos.cx/b1_mega_li-aiojroaj-b8.jpg - most exciting storkpic in ages
08:15:37 <_bjoern> They haven't been very exciting lately agreed
08:15:56 <sbp> all this brooding and warming-of-ei
08:17:00 <sbp> so I heard this odd bird this morning
08:17:13 <sbp> it was going cheep choep chup chep chip chap cherp
08:17:27 <sbp> quite regular short bursts of notes
08:18:00 <sbp> eventually I managed to spot it and it was really quite tiny for such a loud bird. it looked brown (hard to tell when silhouetted), was slender, and had a wedge shaped tail
08:18:08 <sbp> so now I'm going through bird sounds trying to identify it
08:20:34 <_bjoern> phenny, de "Bodenseewasserversorgung"?
08:20:35 <phenny> _bjoern: "bodensee water supply" (de)
08:20:43 <_bjoern> phenny, de "Boden-see"?
08:20:44 <phenny> _bjoern: "bodensee" (de)
08:20:47 <_bjoern> phenny, de "Boden see"?
08:20:48 <phenny> _bjoern: "soil lake" (de)
08:21:29 <Mike_L> phenny: de "bodensie"?
08:21:30 <phenny> Mike_L: "soil they" (de)
08:22:16 <Mike_L> phenny: de "schaffhausen"?
08:22:17 <phenny> Mike_L: "create-live" (de)
08:24:11 <sbp> well it wasn't any of the birds on http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/birdsong.shtml
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08:29:37 <sbp> ah! it was a Chiffchaff!
08:29:50 <sbp> found via http://www.open.ac.uk/Nature_Trail/Birds.htm
08:38:31 <sbp> OED's oldest use: “c1780 G. WHITE Observ. (1876) I. 409 The smallest uncrested willow wren, or chiff-chaf..utters two sharp piercing notes.”
08:38:35 <sbp> so what did they call it before then?
08:38:48 <sbp> it does note: “closely akin to the Willow Wren or Willow Warbler, with which it is often confounded in dialectal nomenclature”
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08:40:32 <sbp> ah, from the 1670s it was called the pettichaps
08:40:37 <sbp> the lesser pettichaps, to be precise
08:40:48 <sbp> the greater pettichaps was Sylvia borin
08:49:47 <laplink> Sylvia Boring?
08:49:56 <aspect> sounds like the counterpart of a petticoat
08:50:02 <aspect> for .. cowboys
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09:06:15 <_bjoern> phenny, de "Ist die Identität festgestellt, sind die im Zusammenhang mit der Feststellung angefallenen Unterlagen zu vernichten, es sei denn ihre weitere Aufbewahrung ist nach anderen Rechtsvorschriften zulässig."?
09:06:16 <phenny> _bjoern: "if the identity is determined, the documents resulted in connection with the statement are to be destroyed, it are their further keeping are permissible after other legislation." (de)
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09:11:27 <cre8radix> re
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09:20:06 <sbp> [[[
09:20:07 <sbp> Copyright to much of his work has been claimed since 1965 by the editor of the Complete Poetry (OUP, 9 vols., 1984-2003), Professor Eric Robinson, though some have contested this copyright claim. Indeed with the recent advent (1999 ff.) of minor and major publishers no longer genuflecting to the putative claim (especially in recent editions from Faber and Carcanet), it seems the copyright is now defunct.
09:20:17 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Clare
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09:20:57 <_bjoern> Yeah, don't genuflect to the putative claim and defunct the copyright!
09:21:15 <sbp> no, *do* defunct the copyright!
09:21:45 <_bjoern> nu
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09:23:06 <nsh> yay
09:23:34 <_bjoern> .gc yay porn
09:23:35 <phenny> yay porn: 399,000
09:23:51 <nsh> .gc yay defuncted porn
09:23:51 <phenny> yay defuncted porn: 6
09:24:02 <_bjoern> sbp?
09:25:15 <_bjoern> .gc yay defuncted porn blog
09:25:16 <phenny> yay defuncted porn blog: 1
09:26:05 <sbp> aw sry
09:26:16 <sbp> here, I will butt ins:
09:26:18 <sbp> .gc yay defuncted porn blog boogie
09:26:18 <phenny> yay defuncted porn blog boogie: 1
09:26:32 <nsh> .gc yay defuncted porn blog boogie children
09:26:33 <phenny> yay defuncted porn blog boogie children: 1
09:26:58 <_bjoern> .gc yay defuncted porn blog boogie children prank
09:26:58 <phenny> yay defuncted porn blog boogie children prank: 0
09:27:14 <sbp> №U
09:27:21 <nsh> .g yay defuncted porn blog boogie children
09:27:21 <phenny> nsh: http://oo-kononc.com/675
09:27:36 <nsh> pft
09:27:39 <nsh> Vista is such a newb
09:27:48 <sbp> ooh, kononc
09:27:56 <nsh> "You have successfully resolved the low disk space problem. You now have 69mb remaining.
09:27:58 <nsh> "
09:28:03 <sbp> chuckle
09:28:07 <sbp> SUCCESS
09:28:15 <sbp> YOU USE MICROSOFT
09:28:20 <sbp> HENCE: WINNER
09:28:24 <sbp> EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE NO SPACE
09:29:10 <Pierre> uninstall it should give you more than a gig =)
09:29:41 <laplink> .gs Vista is *
09:29:43 <phenny> Vista is *: installed (5), slow (4), opened (3), klaar (3), failing rd budget (3), failing (3), valsspelen (2), underwhelming (2), slooooow (2), nt6 (2)
09:29:52 <nsh> klaaaaaar
09:30:02 <Pierre> lol
09:30:06 <nsh> KLAAAAAARRRRR KLAR KLAR KLAR PWARIIIIIIING
09:30:13 <laplink> Surprising frequecy of Dutch and German in thyose results.
09:30:24 <_bjoern> phenny, de "klar"?
09:30:25 <phenny> _bjoern: "clearly" (de)
09:30:40 <nsh> .gs Vista is klaar *
09:30:41 <phenny> Vista is klaar *: voor gebruik (3), fok (2)
09:30:49 <laplink> phenny, nl "klaar"?
09:30:49 <phenny> laplink: "ready" (nl)
09:30:52 <_bjoern> ready for use, the first
09:31:06 <_bjoern> fok I don't know
09:31:09 <nsh> .gs Vista is klar *
09:31:10 <_bjoern> phenny, nl "fok"?
09:31:14 <phenny> _bjoern: "foresail" (nl)
09:31:15 <phenny> Vista is klar *: No results!
09:31:20 <nsh> .gs Vista ist klar *
09:31:21 <phenny> Vista ist klar *: und aufgestartet, mit office hatte, habe ich schon, ein flop, dass, da xp einen)
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09:31:44 <nsh> phenny, de "aufgestartet"?
09:31:46 <phenny> nsh: "started" (de)
09:31:57 <nsh> yes, vista is clearly a started
09:32:03 <nsh> oh wait
09:32:08 <nsh> clear and started
09:32:14 <nsh> makes marginally more sense
09:32:29 <_bjoern> and started up, with office had, have i already, a failure, that, there/because xp a
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09:32:46 <_bjoern> phenny, de "und aufgestartet; mit office hatte; habe ich schon; ein flop; dass, da xp einen"?
09:32:47 <phenny> _bjoern: "and started; with office had; i have already; a flop; that, there xp one" (de)
09:32:53 <laplink> “You make a grown man cry.”
09:33:05 <_bjoern> You make a crying man grow.
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09:34:07 <laplink> Crying makes a man grow.
09:34:21 <_bjoern> Growing make a man cry.
09:41:58 <laplink> Cry!
09:47:46 <deltab> GEB:EGB's Aunt Hillary: http://www.veiled-chameleon.com/weblog/archives/000282.html
09:50:00 <_bjoern> .c 6.4 times 13 eurocent
09:50:00 <phenny> 6.4 times 13 Eurocents = 1.316224 U.S. Dollars
09:50:04 <_bjoern> .c 6.4 times 13 eurocent in eurocent
09:50:05 <phenny> 6.4 times 13 Eurocents = 83.2 Eurocents
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09:55:06 * sbp reads about the ant colony
10:01:52 <sbp> I like Pinker's concept of intuitive understanding
10:02:46 <sbp> he likened understanding the mind, on an intuitive level, to understanding what was “before” the big bang—our intuitive capabilities just seem to break down at that point
10:03:18 <sbp> (so he says it might never be possible to be really satisfied what we know why/how the mind works)
10:06:39 <sbp> I suppose it's the defence against the Karamazov worry that I'm intrugied by
10:07:14 <sbp> the pejorative reductionism that I was talking about last night doesn't seem to have a really good *intuitively satisfying* defence to the Karamazov worry
10:07:33 <sbp> (the Karamazov worry being that well, if the universe ends in a big crunch what's the point to anything?)
10:08:10 <sbp> but intuitively we don't all just lemming ourselves off cliffs, as one psychologist pointed out in the Guardian a couple of years ago, so we must each have an intuitively satisfying answer to the Karamazov worry
10:09:55 <sbp> existential angst seems like a fairly new concept, anyway
10:10:03 <nsh> what's this jibbajabbanow?
10:10:10 <nsh> Karamazov worry?
10:10:18 <nsh> oh, u splained
10:10:22 <nsh> but i ignored
10:10:36 * nsh should learn to read from start of sentences rather than middle
10:10:50 <sbp> nsh: I was complaining last night about when philosophers of mind go all "well the brain is composed of X, and X is composed of Y, and Y is made of Z, and Z is quarks and leptons" and them we're so far from the mind that it doesn't tell us anything
10:11:01 <sbp> Dennett calls it "greedy reductionism"
10:11:11 <cre8radix> hrhr
10:11:14 <sbp> which is funny because he does it all the damn time and then tried to claw his way out of it
10:11:22 <sbp> s/tried/tries/
10:11:37 <nsh> dennett writes for the proles
10:11:40 <sbp> hehe
10:12:12 <nsh> i fully suspect that he is one of those mechanical machines from nineteen eighty-four
10:12:19 <sbp> oh man
10:12:27 <nsh> and there's this banal Party technician twiddling knobs
10:12:38 <nsh> Inanity levels up to 20% on the Dennettron
10:12:42 <sbp> double plus good twiddling
10:13:26 <sbp> we're so far from Taoism in the occident that it's unreal
10:13:50 <sbp> then again, they're quite far from it in the orient too. heh
10:14:40 <sbp> someone should make a fuckin' parkour video that has a hidden Taoist message
10:14:47 <nsh> Taoism died when people started talking about taoism and other people started listening to the people talking about taoism
10:14:56 <sbp> hehe
10:14:57 <nsh> and no-one was finding the tao anymore
10:15:03 <sbp> Lao Tzu killed Taoism?!
10:15:08 * nsh nods
10:15:11 <nsh> is always the way
10:15:18 <nsh> but a parkeur video would be awesome
10:15:45 <sbp> it's funny because one of the verses in the Tao Te Ching is about how it would be better if we all went back to writing by using knots in string. and there he is, some dude, *writing about it*
10:16:03 <sbp> the Tao Te Ching is like the ultimate ancient cosmic irony textbook
10:16:27 <nsh> there was a zen master who prefaced one of his texts with "another drop in the ocean of ignorance" or something similar
10:16:33 <sbp> awesome
10:17:57 <sbp> ah, here we go, verse 80
10:18:17 <sbp> shih jên fu chieh shêng erh yung chih
10:18:39 <sbp> let folk once again knot cords and use them for writing
10:19:09 <sbp> or summink
10:19:33 <nsh> this is [in my conjecture] an allusion to preverbal language that was visualised as topological transformations
10:19:46 <sbp> topological transformations?
10:20:20 <nsh> messin' with noodles an ting
10:20:31 <sbp> I just learned today that Palamedes is said to have invented a bit of the Greek alphabet when he saw the flights of cranes and was like “oh. there could be letters. inventing them!”
10:20:43 * nsh smiles
10:21:28 <sbp> “Likewise, they were sometimes known as the birds of Palamedes, since, at about the time of the Trojan Wars, the mythic hero Palamedes reputedly invented several Greek letters by watching the convolutions of flying cranes.” - http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/bioscicranes/11/
10:23:00 <nsh> and John Nash invented nash equilibriums by watching ducks chase bread (caveat: may have been holywood artistic license)
10:23:21 <sbp> hehe
10:23:31 <sbp> sigh, I've got to look this up now
10:23:32 * sbp waves fist
10:33:07 <sbp> after some distractory tafting, I find no evidence for it
10:35:40 <sbp> ‘Palamedes said, "I did not discover the letters of the alphabet, but I was discovered by them. Long ago, while lying in the house of the Muses, these letters needed such a man, and the gods reveal such letters through learned men. The cranes, then, do not lay claim to the letters, but fly, commending their orderly arrangement."’
10:35:46 <sbp> - http://www.roanoke.edu/religion/Maclean/Relg211/HeroicusSelections.htm
10:35:47 <laplink> Evidently, its evidentiary status is inevident.
10:36:00 <sbp> yes, minister
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10:41:41 <sbp> .title http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/9-reasons-to-archive.html
10:41:42 <phenny> sbp: Official Gmail Blog: 9 reasons to archive
10:44:51 <sbp> laplink: seen this? http://topicmaps.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/the-norway-vote-what-really-happened/
10:48:21 <sbp> ‘Mark Surman, Shuttleworth Foundation fellow, writes that open source is the answer to philanthropy's $55 trillion question’ - is he MAD?!
10:49:15 <laplink> Hadn't seen that, no. Thanks.
10:49:25 <sbp> oh, the obvious meaning wasn't the actual meaning. thankfully!
10:49:29 <sbp> “Indeed, philanthropy might learn from open source to find new ways to organize itself for spending that $55 trillion.”
10:49:43 <_bjoern> hmm google 20% ...
10:49:59 <sbp>
10:49:59 <sbp> 20% = 0.2
10:50:52 <sbp> ehheh: http://www.bash.org/?857335
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10:53:42 <_bjoern> "Google shares gained $89.87 Friday to close at $539.41. The eye-popping 20 percent increase was the biggest one-day gain since ..."
10:55:11 <sbp> since when?!
10:55:41 <_bjoern> don't blame me for google news cutting at that point
10:55:47 <sbp> hehe
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11:07:45 <edsu> 1929
11:07:55 <sbp> :-)
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11:08:25 <Monty> bah, it's MoiraA again
11:09:15 <_bjoern> How much is that in Papiermark anyway?
11:09:17 <_bjoern> .wik Papiermark
11:09:17 <phenny> "The name Papiermark (English: paper mark) is applied to the German currency from the point in 1914 when the link between the Mark and gold was abandoned, due to the outbreak of the First World War." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papiermark
11:23:04 <laplink> Since 2006.
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11:28:10 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's danja__!
11:39:52 <Arnia> sbp: phenny's
11:41:47 <_bjoern> hmm, I found an old Microsoft Office radio clip with integrated light and compass. According to it, north is in any direction.
11:42:01 <_bjoern> which is kinda right and kinda wrong.
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11:42:36 <_bjoern> might be caused by the air bubble inside the compass liquid
11:43:25 <sbp> Arnia: I mean, what mistake of phenny's?
11:43:30 <sbp> I don't see what mistake she made
11:43:50 <Arnia> Being inundated by box codes was a little overwhelming
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11:46:42 <sbp> 'k. thanks for reporting it
11:48:14 <Arnia> Can you find the nine tenths of the academic which I have misplaced?
11:48:48 <sbp> which nine tenths specifically, or any nine of the tenths?
11:51:34 <sbp> phenny: reload wikipedia
11:51:36 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.wikipedia' from '/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/wikipedia.pyc'> (version: 2008-04-21 12:19:25)
11:51:37 <sbp> .wik Pronto computing
11:51:39 <phenny> "Do databases fall within the portfolio of this WikiProject? If so, why do they seem to be omitted from the list? If not, why not? Does some other group handle DB, DBMS, etc.? If so, who are they?" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:COMP
11:51:45 <Arnia> Danke
11:51:45 <sbp> whoo, fixed
11:51:49 <sbp> yw
11:52:40 <Arnia> Regarding http://www.dur.ac.uk/about/facts/staff/
11:52:58 <sbp> bwahaha
11:53:50 <sbp> there was a parish in the 18th century whose population was one man with a missing leg
11:54:01 <sbp> population: 3/4 of a man
11:54:14 <Arnia> hah
11:54:40 <sbp> (possibly apocryphal, of course, but recorded all the same)
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12:12:57 <Arnia> sbp: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=401501&c=1
12:13:00 <Arnia> .title
12:13:02 <phenny> Arnia: Times Higher Education - Panels ordered to shred all RAE records
12:13:27 <sbp> woah
12:13:52 <sbp> way to not appear exceptionally suspicious
12:17:47 <Arnia> .title http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=401336&c=1
12:17:49 <phenny> Arnia: Times Higher Education - Their ships have sailed
12:20:21 <kpreid> Arnia: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/04/automatic_projector_calib.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890
12:25:12 * nslater wibbles
12:25:12 <phenny> nslater: 08:30Z <sbp> tell nslater thanks. why so reductionist if you know so much about it then? :-)
12:25:20 * nslater smiles
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12:32:41 <Arnia> kpreid: very interesting
12:33:16 <guysoft42> hey, um, a question - how can i stop html injection in irc logs?
12:33:23 <kpreid> Arnia: Yeah...not sure what good it additional good it is though.
12:33:34 <kpreid> guysoft42: uh, properly encode the irc text
12:33:39 <kpreid> Arnia: er...
12:33:48 <Arnia> kpreid: it is an idea... just wait and see what others do with it :)
12:33:51 <kpreid> aye
12:33:55 <guysoft42> i want to try something here : <font color="red"> test </font>
12:34:11 <guysoft42> doesnt work here: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-21
12:34:23 <Arnia> For example, it relies on sampling at the corners, right? But you could do the sampling with a camera and edge detection
12:34:51 <kpreid> Arnia: I note if you compare it to the Wii's positioning system, the difference is the spatial <missingword> is in the emitter rather than the sensor
12:34:59 <Arnia> As long as the camera and projector are in a fixed relationship to each other, you could solve for projector space
12:35:10 <kpreid> Hm...yes
12:35:30 * guysoft42 goes to ask on php
12:35:35 <kpreid> I like the non-fuzzy approach they take though
12:35:42 <kpreid> guysoft42: take a look at how it shows up in the log html.
12:35:58 <kpreid> guysoft42: it merely needs to be properly transformed (escaped)
12:36:06 <guysoft42> i knew what i wanted, just not how it was called: htmlentities(
12:36:14 <Arnia> oh yes, but rigging up surfaces with optical fibre is not the most straightforward thing so exploring other approaches sounds good
12:36:15 <kpreid> guysoft42: if you don't understand this, you really ought to not be generating web pages until you get it right.
12:36:24 <kpreid> Arnia: Yah...
12:36:43 <kpreid> I was thinking, this is where self-contained sensors would be great
12:36:57 <Arnia> Mm... particle computing style?
12:36:58 <kpreid> Lose the USB line and broadcast instead
12:37:08 <kpreid> Can you power it off the projector output?!
12:37:19 <Arnia> .g "particle computer"
12:37:20 <phenny> Arnia: http://www.particle-computer.de/
12:37:41 <Arnia> .g "particle computer" sensor
12:37:41 <phenny> Arnia: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1147761
12:37:54 <kpreid> Arnia: See Vinge's localizers
12:38:02 <Arnia> k
12:38:06 <kpreid> that's the endpoint of that path
12:38:08 <Arnia> .g vinge localizer
12:38:08 <phenny> Arnia: http://plasticboy.com/archives/2003/03/04/vinge-on-localizers/
12:38:41 <Arnia> aha
12:38:51 <guysoft42> kpreid, i have to start somewhere..
12:39:04 <kpreid> I should get myself some IR LEDs...
12:39:09 <guysoft42> kpreid, it seems alright so far.. i just never remember names of functions..
12:39:19 <kpreid> guysoft42: the first rule is, never write unprocessed text into a html document
12:39:45 <Arnia> I have some ideas regarding this, but I can't speak about them right now
12:39:47 <kpreid> if you do, you have some form of the problem you noticed originally
12:46:35 <guysoft42> kpreid, thats why i needed that.
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12:47:45 <sbp> kpreid 1-0 guysoft42
12:48:18 <Arnia> hm...
12:49:56 <kpreid> Arnia: Hm. Generalizing: the projector is providing a spatial reference for everything that's in its field.
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12:50:46 <sbp> kpreid 1-0 shtoom
12:50:46 <Monty> bet loopholes are permissible after about Wittgenstein he likened understanding the Faculty of that.
12:51:12 <kpreid> I don't think I like this game...
12:51:23 <sbp> why! you're winning every round! :-)
12:51:34 <kpreid> "startke" + "ylogger"
12:53:12 <kpreid> Arnia: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/thesis/ has more -- including "Projector tracking in this early system was accomplished using computer vision techniques"
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12:59:18 <kpreid> The third video has live tracking
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13:00:07 <guysoft42> .commands
13:00:39 <sbp> if you're trying to use a phenny command, she specifically says to do that in private message
13:00:45 <sbp> she won't respond to it on a channel
13:01:07 <guysoft42> strange, my phenny doesnt pm
13:01:26 <sbp> is it registered with NickServ and identified, if running on Freenode?
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13:04:49 <kpreid> Arnia: Huh, so this stuff is by Johnny Lee and *older* than his Wii stuff -- now I see the connection - it's the same kind of software techniques, related results, with cheaper hardware
13:06:21 <guysoft42> sbp, yes, i also know why it didnt work, she wasn't registered
13:06:48 <sbp> you've rectified this, I presume? is all well now?
13:07:57 <guysoft42> sbp, i am , i am just not sure where to put the pass
13:08:15 <sbp> so:
13:08:21 <sbp> serverpass = 'yourpassword'
13:08:28 <sbp> in the default.py config file
13:08:31 <sbp> or whatever you called it
13:09:20 <guysoft42> isnt it password?
13:09:28 <sbp> phenny: ask nslater if it's possible to get usage statistics on debian modules
13:09:28 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
13:09:31 <guysoft42> if hasattr(phenny.config, 'password'):
13:09:36 <sbp> yeah, sorry
13:09:41 <sbp> (why did you ask, then? :-)
13:09:45 <guysoft42> sbp, np..
13:15:15 <nslater> hehe, plum and some guy in the CouchDB channel just had a conversation about databases before someone pointed out to him that he was talking to a bawt, that's so funny and cool :p
13:15:15 <phenny> nslater: 13:37Z <sbp> ask nslater if it's possible to get usage statistics on debian modules
13:15:25 <nslater> sbp: yes, popcon
13:15:25 <plum> funny that it just got rid of them entirely, couchdb doesn't do that atm and people want ft for views so they have to understand that people on freenode are going to talk about things that you exist in order to converse with you.
13:16:08 <sbp> .g debian popcon
13:16:08 <phenny> sbp: http://popcon.debian.org/
13:16:10 <nslater> sbp: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=phenny
13:16:26 <sbp> awesome, thanks
13:16:46 <sbp> so she's been installed seven times?
13:16:54 <nslater> sbp: the popcon number is the amount of people with the popcon package installed AND phenny installed, so it's not an exact number, but a relative scale for comparison
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13:17:05 <sbp> ooh, gotcha
13:17:10 <sbp> so probably more like eight
13:17:12 <nslater> http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=phenny
13:17:25 <nslater> heh, I could actually think significantly more than that
13:17:30 <nslater> *would
13:17:35 <nslater> like, maybe 9 or 10
13:17:38 * nslater winks
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13:18:05 <sbp> hehe
13:18:30 * sbp high-fives (or high-tens) nslater
13:18:50 <nslater> so, this guy got a little upset and asked what the point of a nonsense spewing bot was, before I pointed out that it just passed the turing test and so, perhaps, nonsense was the wrong word ;)
13:19:04 <sbp> ehheh
13:19:07 * nslater high-fives sbp
13:19:11 <sbp> plumpwnd
13:19:14 <nslater> lol
13:19:15 <plum> although it sucks that the tests block the browser so much, i was so confounded with the parentals.
13:19:35 * nsh confounds plum's parentals
13:19:40 <plum> if eric s raymond didnt we would have to invent him, 26 my decided preference is n s h stands for.
13:19:42 <nsh> .ety confound
13:19:43 <phenny> "c.1290, 'discomfit, abash, confuse,' from Anglo-Fr. confoundre, from O.Fr. confondre, from L. confundere 'to confuse,' lit. 'to pour together,' from com- 'together' + fundere 'to pour' (see found (2))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=confound
13:20:21 <sbp> those ancient Greeks were fucked up
13:20:28 <sbp> (I realise this is from Latin...)
13:20:39 * nsh nods
13:21:09 <nsh> .gc Let us go down and confound their *
13:21:10 <phenny> Let us go down and confound their *: 10,800
13:21:13 <nsh> .gs Let us go down and confound their *
13:21:14 <phenny> Let us go down and confound their *: language (12), speech (5), language genesis (4)
13:21:26 <sbp> .g "confound their language"
13:21:27 <phenny> sbp: http://www.idyllopuspress.com/meanwhile/?p=8
13:21:28 <nsh> .wik Diffusion reaction
13:21:31 <phenny> "Reaction–diffusion systems are mathematical models that describe how the concentration of one or more substances distributed in space changes under the influence of two processes: local chemical reactions in which the substances are converted into each other, and [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction-diffusion_equation
13:21:47 <nsh> .wik Breakdown of the bicameral mind
13:21:49 <nslater> so... sbp, am I sensing a subtle negative undertone with enquiry about phenny instalations ;)
13:21:49 <phenny> "In psychology, bicameralism is a controversial hypothesis which argues that the human brain once assumed a state known as a bicameral mind in which cognitive functions are divided between one part of the brain which appears to be 'speaking,' and a second part which [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind
13:22:18 <sbp> see also Psalm 55:9 apparently
13:22:32 <sbp> nslater: nah, I really didn't know what the usage pattern would be like
13:22:57 <nslater> I mentioned last night that you might want to register #phenny :)
13:23:01 <sbp> if it's seven already for the popcon fraction, which I'll presume is smaller than 10%, that's already pretty good
13:23:08 <sbp> ah. I didn't see that
13:23:11 <sbp> it's moot anyway
13:23:15 <nslater> why?
13:23:16 <sbp> someone else already registered it ages ago
13:23:19 <nslater> bah
13:23:24 * nslater checks
13:23:26 <sbp> and set it up as the Unofficial Phenny Channel
13:23:35 <nsh> you can always join ###########phenny
13:23:45 <nsh> and then the freenode opers can masturbate each other
13:23:53 <sbp> hehe, yeah
13:23:55 <nsh> over the success of their "make irc moar ugly" campaign
13:24:32 <nsh> this is a fun experiment: /join #freenode,##freenode,###freenode,####freenode,#####freenode
13:25:05 <laplink> lilo will come back from the grave to k-line you.
13:25:18 * nsh smiles
13:25:37 <laplink> Well, anything that brings lilo back can only be good, I suppose.
13:25:54 <nsh> hence my subtle plan
13:26:00 <laplink> heh heh
13:26:24 <sbp> nslater: also I'm just being lazy
13:26:32 <kpreid> phenny: ping?
13:26:33 <laplink> Right. Enough office hours for one day I think. /me -> home…
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13:26:39 <kpreid> phenny!
13:26:39 <phenny> kpreid!
13:26:40 <nslater> heh, getting a reged channel isnt that hard
13:26:41 <kpreid> hm.
13:26:47 <sbp> ping? doesn't work anymore
13:26:53 <nslater> only took me a solid 2 months of pestering people in #freenode to get couchdb registered ;)
13:26:58 <sbp> since phenny! was basically equivalent but much shorter
13:27:07 <kpreid> sbp: yeah, know, forgot.
13:27:14 <sbp> 'kz
13:27:35 <sbp> I should probably have put in a warning for a transitional period
13:27:41 <sbp> like I did with most of the other commands
13:27:44 <sbp> but oh well. more fun this way
13:27:55 <nslater> it upsets me that she no longer responds to "thank you"
13:27:58 <nslater> thenk you plum
13:28:01 <nslater> doh
13:28:03 <nslater> thank you plum
13:28:05 <plum> yes, but getting a blog which does stuff if more important to me, yeah as soon as you change them at random its no fun to play with gullible people over important stuff. lol
13:28:06 <plum> no problem
13:28:08 <nslater> yay
13:28:11 <nslater> thank you phenny
13:28:23 <nslater> booo, hiss
13:28:56 <sbp> this is just like when Onstad changes one of his strips in the middle of the day
13:29:06 <sbp> and people email him angrily that the first version was much better
13:29:14 <sbp> and he tells them to fuck off and he is happy
13:29:30 <sbp> this is *just like that*
13:29:40 <nslater> i will consider my self told to fuck off then!!!!!oneone
13:29:40 <nsh> TURUTHY
13:29:45 <sbp> hehe
13:29:55 <sbp> I was basically trying to remove all the cruft
13:30:02 <nslater> pfft... cruft..
13:30:07 <sbp> stuff like the Monty conversation is gone too
13:30:14 <Monty> doesn't sick it out on for? £500 000 sound somewhat "obsoleted" the 18th century, the input source for 'getswhackmap'.
13:30:16 <nslater> yeah, i loved that
13:30:28 <sbp> aw mang
13:30:34 <nslater> when she used to tell monty to be quiet, I LOVED THAT!!!
13:30:36 <Monty> We must accept that sendmail is Atlantic...?
13:30:39 <sbp> don't love bits of phenny. it's bad practice
13:30:54 <nslater> i love plum these days, with all my heart
13:30:54 <nsh> mmm, bad-practice
13:30:58 <plum> i love that he couldnt even get a proper mask, i assume you are familiar and in love with twisted? hehe
13:31:00 <nslater> sounds naughty
13:31:03 <nsh> was so much fun than soccer-practice
13:31:39 <nsh> .wik The City Coat of Arms
13:31:41 <phenny> "A coat of arms or armorial bearings (often just arms for short), in European tradition, is a design belonging to a particular person (or group of people) and used by them in a wide variety of ways." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms
13:31:45 <nsh> NO
13:31:49 <sbp> .gc aaaeaiaoaueaeeeieoeuiaieiiioiuoaoeoiooouuaueuiuouu
13:31:50 <phenny> aaaeaiaoaueaeeeieoeuiaieiiioiuoaoeoiooouuaueuiuouu: 0
13:31:53 <nsh> .wik Kafka city coat of arms
13:31:55 <phenny> "The Complete Stories of Franz Kafka is a book which brings together all of Kafka's short stories." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Complete_Stories_of_Franz_Kafka
13:33:03 <sbp> what a great short description
13:33:04 <nsh> stupid internet, trying to give me bookwares in rtf format
13:33:14 <nsh> who the fuck formats things in rtf, or ever did, ever?
13:33:25 <nslater> rtf is pretty cool
13:33:28 <sbp> think of it as Kafkaesque
13:33:57 <sbp> timbl said something funny once
13:34:10 <nsh> timbl is up to something
13:34:11 <sbp> he said “why do people edit HTML by source? they don't do that with RTF, for example”
13:34:18 <sbp> and I was thinking: why didn't you make it more like RTF then?
13:34:35 * nsh smiles
13:36:06 <nsh> [[[ The Kafka text, however, begins very differently: "At first all the arrangements for the building of The Tower of Babel were characterized by fairly good order; indeed the order was perhaps too perfect."
13:36:06 <nsh> As opposed to the Biblical text, the beginning of The City Coat of Arms gives the reader a sense of the disharmony and impurity from which mankind suffers. The 'guides and interpreters' indicate the existence of a language barrier which is complicated by the fact that man was following too strict and rigid a plan.
13:36:13 <nsh> ]]] http://www.kafka-franz.com/bible.htm
13:36:28 <nslater> because if you edit rtf you're not constantly scared that someone's going to defenestrate you for using some aspect of the markup language which is considered deprecated or uncool
13:36:39 <sbp> THE PLAN
13:36:42 <sbp> 1) Follow this plan.
13:36:51 <nslater> 2) ???
13:36:54 <nslater> 3) PROFIT!!!
13:37:11 <nsh> The story concludes: "All the legends and songs that came to birth in that city are filled with longing for a prophesied day when the city would be destroy
13:37:12 <kpreid> nslater: I thought about saying that.
13:37:17 <kpreid> nslater: I decided not to.
13:37:23 <nslater> kpreid: why? you're making me feel bad
13:37:24 <sbp> I was even going to call it THE UNDERPANTS PLAN
13:37:27 <nsh> try again: "The story concludes: "All the legends and songs that came to birth in that city are filled with longing for a prophesied day when the city would be destroyed by five successive blows from a gigantic fist. It is for that reason too that the city has a closed fist on its coat of arms."
13:37:27 <sbp> or THE GNOME PLAN
13:37:32 <nslater> kpreid: like all I have to contribute is washed up memes and bad jokes
13:37:35 <sbp> but avoided that to avoid... that
13:38:11 <sbp> longing?
13:38:31 *** nsh changed the topic to: "Swhack: Five SUCCESSIVE Blows From A Gigantic Fist.“Indeed with the recent advent (1999 ff.) of minor and major publishers no longer genuflecting to the putative claim (especially in recent editions from Faber and Carcanet), it seems the copyright is now defunct.”"
13:38:49 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Swhack: Five SUCCESSIVE Blows From A Gigantic Fist."
13:38:53 <nslater> lol
13:39:57 * nsh sometimes feels that he's gradually lapping all the slower parts of the internet
13:40:30 <sbp> that's the funniest thing that I don't understand that I've read all day
13:40:30 <nsh> it's like, PWARING (hmm, i vaguely remember going past that one at the start sometime)
13:40:36 <sbp> hehe
13:40:55 <guysoft42> um, do you know how i am i suose to get in modules the list of phenny.channels?
13:41:11 <sbp> eh what eh?
13:41:26 <sbp> tiddly squit with a pippy-ringer isn't eh me old mucka?
13:41:41 <sbp> what a chorfling lollygag we had guvner
13:41:53 <nslater> guysoft42: pls explain
13:42:01 <sbp> I just said that!
13:42:10 <nslater> yeah, i translated it into englush
13:42:23 <sbp> %
13:42:40 <guysoft42> nslater, in the default.py file are written the channels Penney is in..
13:42:47 <sbp> “a percent was the only reasonable response”
13:42:51 <nslater> lol
13:42:54 <nslater> guysoft42: this is true
13:43:00 <sbp> phenny.config.channels
13:43:05 <guysoft42> nslater, apparently its logging also all the private messages, so i want it to only log the channels
13:43:22 <sbp> oh. if input.channel.startswith('#')
13:43:26 <nslater> GRRRR
13:43:31 <sbp> or input.sender, or input.source, or something
13:43:38 <nslater> i had two sentences explaining why you should check for the octothorp
13:43:43 <nslater> then you just go and paste some code
13:43:45 <sbp> hehe
13:43:54 <nslater> what a wasted 20 seconds of my life
13:43:59 <sbp> #
13:44:02 <nsh> add it to the pile
13:44:30 <nsh> THE HUGE HAEMAROIDIC ARSEVEIN THAT IS YOUR WASTED LIFE
13:44:32 <guysoft42> sdp, that i got fixed, but we rebuilt the msg function, and it wont pull phenny.channels from there
13:44:35 <nsh> sorry, don't know where that came from
13:44:36 <guysoft42> ill paste code
13:44:48 * nslater defenestrates nsh onto the information superhighway bellow
13:44:54 <sbp> ...you did what?
13:44:55 <nsh> mmm, tasty :-)
13:45:02 <nslater> sbp: monkey patched
13:45:09 <nslater> sbp: I taught him monkey patching :p
13:45:16 <nslater> guysoft42: it should still work
13:45:36 <sbp> especially if you use phenny.config.channels as instructed, not phenny.channels
13:45:39 <nsh> .gcs haemaroidal haemaroidic
13:45:40 <phenny> haemaroidal (2), haemaroidic (1)
13:45:46 <nsh> hmm
13:45:50 <guysoft42> at the moment it doesnt get the list correctly on line 20: http://pastebin.com/m27879290
13:46:05 <nslater> guysoft42: you dont need the list...
13:46:11 <nslater> guysoft42: just check for startswith("#")
13:46:28 <nslater> guysoft42: there is no phenny object in that function's scope
13:46:40 <guysoft42> nslater, ah, right, lest try that
13:47:12 <sbp> or... actually phenny.chanels seems like it should work
13:47:22 <sbp> channels, even
13:47:37 <nslater> hmm...
13:47:48 <sbp> though fuck knows how
13:47:50 <nslater> guysoft42: you should remove the from phenny import channels
13:47:54 <sbp> how phenny works is quite a mystery, really
13:48:05 <guysoft42> nslater, i did
13:48:24 <sbp> oh yeah, I see now
13:48:27 <guysoft42> yay, works, thanks
13:48:47 <guysoft42> oh, BTW, how do i get the nicK/
13:48:49 <guysoft42> nick*
13:48:55 <nslater> nick of what?
13:49:03 <nslater> input.nick?
13:49:03 <guysoft42> i need it in line 36
13:49:09 <guysoft42> nsh, no, of the bot
13:49:16 <nslater> oh... phenny.config.nick
13:49:18 <nslater> ??
13:49:21 * nslater guesses
13:49:29 * guysoft42 tries
13:49:39 <sbp> or phenny.nick
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13:49:56 <nslater> thats what you get from taking advice from a guy who guesses code ;)
13:50:08 <sbp> well both should work, I thnk
13:50:22 <sbp> yes, both should work
13:50:23 <guysoft42> NameError: global name 'phenny' is not defined :(
13:50:33 <nslater> you need to pass the phenny object into your function
13:50:40 <nslater> hmm...
13:50:40 <nslater> self
13:50:42 <nslater> no
13:50:58 <guysoft42> nslater, no self..
13:51:06 <nslater> "import phenny" at the top of your module
13:51:15 <nslater> with phenny.config.nick, that might do it
13:51:24 <nslater> no idea though!
13:51:27 * sbp looks at the code, and would have spurted coffee out were he drinking any
13:51:29 <sbp> what the fuck is this?
13:51:30 <sbp> #
13:51:30 <sbp> setattr(Bot, "_msg", getattr(Bot, "msg"))
13:51:38 <nslater> lol
13:51:55 <nslater> he's wrapping and replacing the bot msg method
13:52:32 <sbp> Bot._msg = Bot.msg
13:52:40 <nslater> he wanted a way to log EVERYTHING, including things that phenny says
13:52:41 <sbp> what would have been wrong with that, for a start? :-)
13:52:56 <guysoft42> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'config'
13:52:58 <nslater> meh, can you add methods like that?
13:53:05 <guysoft42> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'nick
13:53:08 <nslater> I've always got AttributeError
13:53:13 <guysoft42> heck..
13:53:17 <nslater> guysoft42: okay, ignore me, I'm wrong :)
13:53:24 <guysoft42> nslater, you were right so far..
13:53:54 <guysoft42> nslater, i mean i would have still been stuck looking for phenny.say ..
13:54:53 <nslater> sbp: ha, yeah, that would work, aren't I the dunce ;)
13:55:14 <sbp> also the preferred way to do it would be in a setup function
13:55:20 <nslater> hmm?
13:55:20 <sbp> def setup(phenny):
13:55:23 <sbp> blah blah
13:55:33 <sbp> setup functions get automatically run
13:55:35 <nslater> where, how, would you do that?
13:55:40 <guysoft42> i think all of phenny is a set-up..
13:55:42 <nslater> automatically!?
13:55:55 <sbp> it would go where all the setattr(Bot, "_msg", getattr(Bot, "msg")) junk currently is
13:56:05 <nslater> I don't follow
13:56:30 <guysoft42> i am starting to hate irc lines that start with: <ZuloPod2> AttributeError:
13:56:52 <nslater> lol, do what I do and disable errors being messaged to IRC ;)
13:57:14 <sbp> def setup(phenny):
13:57:14 <sbp> phenny._msg = phenny.msg
13:57:14 <sbp> def msg(phenny, recipient, text):
13:57:14 <sbp> self._msg(recipient, text)
13:57:14 <sbp> log('zulopod', text, recipient)
13:57:15 <sbp> phenny.msg = msg
13:57:21 <sbp> I think that would work, but I dunno for sure
13:57:38 <nslater> okay sure, but what's this setup thing about? what calls that?
13:57:53 <sbp> it's called automatically when the module is loaded
13:58:00 <nslater> are you freeking kidding me?
13:58:03 * nslater goes to google
13:58:13 <sbp> if hasattr(module, 'setup'):
13:58:13 <sbp> module.setup(self)
13:58:14 <xover> .t AEST
13:58:14 <phenny> Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:26:08 AEST
13:58:19 <sbp> - http://inamidst.com/phenny/bot.py
13:58:28 <sbp> in *phenny* it's called automatically
13:58:30 <sbp> it's not a python thing
13:58:32 <nslater> oh right, I thought this was some unbuilt python thing I had managed to miss
13:59:03 <nslater> guysoft42: you should probably ignore me from now on :p
13:59:05 <sbp> actually probably best to do this:
13:59:06 <sbp> def setup(phenny):
13:59:06 <sbp> if hasattr(phenny, '_msg'): return
13:59:06 <sbp> phenny._msg = phenny.msg
13:59:06 <sbp> def msg(phenny, recipient, text):
13:59:06 <sbp> self._msg(recipient, text)
13:59:07 <sbp> log('zulopod', text, recipient)
13:59:11 <sbp> phenny.msg = msg
13:59:20 <sbp> then it won't go all undetermined-behaviour when you reload
13:59:30 <nslater> good point
14:00:22 <_bjoern> phenny, de "Sperrmüll"?
14:00:22 <phenny> _bjoern: "check garbage" (de)
14:00:27 <xover> .t BST
14:00:27 <phenny> Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:28:22 BST
14:00:48 <sbp> check garbage? small print?
14:00:49 <guysoft42> sbp, that should go in the startup.py file...
14:00:52 <_bjoern> phenny, en de "Bulky waste"?
14:00:53 <phenny> _bjoern: "umfangreiche vergeudung" (en -> de)
14:01:01 <sbp> no it shouldn't, because it's per-module
14:01:04 <_bjoern> phenny, en de "Bulky refuse"?
14:01:05 <phenny> _bjoern: "umfangreicher abfall" (en -> de)
14:01:14 <guysoft42> sbp, oh, so i can use that?!
14:01:25 <sbp> can use what? the code I just pasted? yeah, should be able to
14:01:35 <sbp> I haven't tested it, and you won't see any difference
14:01:39 <sbp> it's just putatively cleaner
14:01:48 * nslater writes dirty code
14:02:06 <_bjoern> Good interpretation sbp, good but wrong of course.
14:02:26 <sbp> thank goodness. I didn't want check to mean cheque
14:02:56 <sbp> nslater: there's even a way to change functions into method right at the interpreter level
14:03:09 <sbp> but the docs say Don't Use This
14:03:14 <sbp> even though they provide it anyway
14:03:20 <nslater> sbp: oh? not classmethod?
14:04:06 <sbp> no
14:04:08 <sbp> you do:
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14:04:29 <nslater> ValueError: tonybaloney867 not found
14:04:33 <sbp> phenny.msg = __import__('new').instancemethod(msg, phenny, irc.Bot)
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14:04:38 <sbp> or something like that
14:04:47 <guysoft42> sbp, where do i need to call setup(phenny)
14:04:49 <guysoft42> ?
14:04:55 <sbp> you don't. it's automatically called
14:05:06 <nslater> sbp: that doesnt look to hackish to me...
14:05:07 <sbp> when the module is loaded upon starting phenny via the command line
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14:05:26 <sbp> nslater: “This module provides a low-level interface to the interpreter, so care must be exercised when using this module. It is possible to supply non-sensical arguments which crash the interpreter when the object is used.”
14:05:31 <sbp> ValueError: tonybaloney867 rejoined
14:05:54 <nslater> cool...
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14:06:06 * tonybaloney867 found a silly little Colloquy bug
14:06:25 <sbp> only one?
14:06:27 <guysoft42> sbp, but that mean you mess up the startup script? i am trying not to edit the original code
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14:07:37 <kpreid> Arnia: did you see my second link and comments?
14:07:54 *** Arnia has quit (Nick collision from services.)
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14:08:52 <Arnia> kpreid: Yes thanks
14:09:06 <kpreid> The last video is impressive
14:09:43 <Arnia> Yeah... oh for more fun research like that
14:11:47 <tonybaloney867> sbp: Yeah, only one this time. Colloquy used to have a huge honking bug where if you joined channels one after another too quickly, the window holding all the panels would cease to update itself. It's actually why I stopped using it and switched to irssi on the Mac
14:12:16 <tonybaloney867> However when I heard it was fixed, I gave Colloquy another chance and it hasn't happened since I updated it almost a year ago, until today :)
14:15:44 <Arnia> Ok, the budgeting rules are simpler to implement than I thought
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14:18:32 * xover idly wonders whether Freenode implements per-channel nick length limits…
14:23:00 <kpreid> tonybaloney867: still happens sometimes; when it does putting the window in the dock fixes it, I find
14:26:17 <tonybaloney867> hmmmm interesting
14:26:35 <nsh> ugh
14:26:42 <nsh> i just wasted nearly fifteen minutes
14:26:42 <Monty> Ill have that when Arnia about last night... utterly (including the ground
14:26:50 <nsh> trying to convince someone that aleph-null was not an integer
14:27:05 <nsh> and that the set of integers did not have include infinity just because it was infinitely large
14:27:35 <nsh> and that the phrase "an infinite number" has two distinct meanings, the confusion of which if wilful is sophistry
14:28:17 <Arnia> Of course Aleph null isn't an integer...
14:28:22 <Arnia> Who was this?
14:28:28 <nsh> oh, some fucking idiot on undernet
14:28:45 <Arnia> Ah... undernet
14:28:49 <nsh> who apparantly has degrees in physics and wrote some textbooks and is an accomplished philosopher
14:28:58 <nsh> and the most unapologetic dualist you'll ever meet
14:29:07 <nsh> fucking drives me insane
14:29:07 <Arnia> ooh, sounds like a laugh
14:29:30 <Arnia> Wait, he has a degree in physics and he didn't know that aleph null isn't an integer
14:29:40 <nsh> i think he was being obstinate
14:29:42 <kpreid> nsh: counter dualists with duelists
14:29:46 <Arnia> (it isn't even a surreal, really)
14:29:47 <nsh> that would be cool
14:30:35 * xover approves…
14:30:58 <Arnia> kpreid: as long as the weapon of choice is either a haddock or Christopher Walken
14:31:45 <nsh> Christopher Walken lauching eusophagus-haddocks
14:31:56 <nsh> with Chris Tucker performing the Heimlich
14:32:11 <nsh> *launching
14:34:25 <nsh> hrmm
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14:40:52 * Arnia encodes the undernet person into a surreal number
14:41:16 <nsh> .g "empty if and only if it isn't"
14:41:17 <phenny> nsh: http://f2.org/humour/quotes/sci.html
14:41:37 <nsh> i wish that quote wasn't in someone's "humour" archive
14:41:52 <nsh> I think mysticism might be characterized as the study of those propositions which are equivalent to their own negations. The Western point of view is that the class if all such propositions is empty. The Eastern point of view is that this class is empty if and only if it isn't. -- Raymond Smullyan
14:43:10 *** cre8radix|tourin is now known as cre8radix|coding
14:44:11 * nsh nukes ScienceDirect
14:44:19 <nsh> Fucking elsevier
14:45:09 <Arnia> Hey, ScienceDirect is better than SpringerLink :p
14:45:16 <kpreid> Arnia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuELwq2ThJE is interesting (but not very dense)
14:45:17 <Arnia> At least I can access ScienceDirect
14:45:24 * Arnia explodes Springer Verlag
14:45:43 <_bjoern> .ety bikini
14:45:44 <phenny> "1948, from Fr. coinage, 1947, named for U.S. A-bomb test of June 1946 on Bikini, Marshall Islands atoll." - http://etymonline.com/?term=bikini
14:45:44 <Monty> "you"
14:45:45 <_bjoern> .ety Language
14:45:46 <phenny> "c.1290, from O.Fr. langage (12c.), from V.L. *linguaticum, from L. lingua 'tongue,' also 'speech, language' (see lingual)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=Language
14:46:45 <kpreid> Arnia: Egad...
14:46:45 * nsh watches http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6626464599825291409&q=sphere+eversion&ei=IK8MSO2mGYyKiALctrjABA
14:46:58 <kpreid> Arnia: I just noticed this feature YouTube has
14:47:46 <nsh> oh man
14:47:48 <nsh> that's awesome
14:47:58 <_bjoern> .wik Time-Shifting
14:47:59 <phenny> "Time shifting is the recording of programming to a storage medium to be viewed or listened to at a time more convenient to the consumer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_shifting
14:48:01 <kpreid> Arnia: Click the full-screen button on a video .. the |< button gets replaced by a globby wobbly related-videos view
14:48:17 <kpreid> Arnia: Weird. It's like somebody's random cute idea
14:48:32 <kpreid> I mean, gets replaced by a button which activates ...
14:48:59 <nslater> is that not pretty useful for being able to watch related videos without having to minimise?
14:49:15 <kpreid> Hm, point
14:49:45 <kpreid> It's just like one of those research-project sort of UIs that accidentally escaped
14:51:32 <Arnia> heh
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14:57:06 <nslater> I am reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_(philosophy_of_mind) and these arguments for dualism make me frustrated to even read them
14:57:51 <nslater> also, whats with this whole class of "proof" whereby people go "imagine X, now that you have imagined it, it must be possible" - that's the weekest argument for anything I could imagine
15:05:17 <kpreid> I imagine a perpetual motion machine, therefore it is possible, therefore the laws of thermodynamics are false.
15:05:20 <kpreid> :-)
15:06:07 <nsh> it's so week they dedicated seven whole days to it
15:06:53 <nsh> ok, my new objective is to practice lucid-dream visualisation until I can power-snowboard (trickstyle-style) in an everting sphere
15:07:07 <nslater> sweet
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15:09:49 <nsh> why is every fucking video on googlevids 'related' to some conspiracy bollocks?
15:10:24 <nsh> is google part of the nwo conspiracy to hide the truth about the conspiracy by forcing everyone to watch inane videos about the conspiracy?
15:10:28 <nsh> because that would be annoying
15:10:43 <nslater> did you just invent a meta-conspiracy theory?
15:10:55 <kpreid> I expect the poster of said video figured out how to make it seem related...
15:11:44 *** kpreid changed the topic to: "Home of the meta-conspiracy theorists."
15:12:36 * nsh needs moar magnets
15:12:55 <nsh> why isn't everything made out of reassembable magnetic spheres?!?
15:13:21 <nsh> that would be far greater in awesomeness coefficient than reality is currently attaining
15:13:25 <nsh> (0.06)
15:14:43 <MoiraA> hello
15:14:51 <MoiraA> monty you irritating bot!
15:14:53 <Monty> I reckon wet body + son = family.
15:15:12 <MoiraA> I see my name flash and scroll through miles of logs in case someone wants me
15:15:13 <nsh> [[[
15:15:14 <nsh> WARNING: if you mess with TWO large neodymium supermagnets, you are bound to pinch your fingers if you let them come together. This REALLY HURTS, it's like pliers. Also, you should wear safety glasses, since when two NIB magnets slam together, they tend to launch tiny chips at high velocities. I've had 3/4" magnets acidentally fall together and be completely shattered. The things are brittle! The ones larger than 1/4" are NOT FOR UNSUPERVISED CHILDREN!
15:15:14 <nsh> NEW DANGER: swallowed magnets can cause lethal stomach problems.
15:15:20 <MoiraA> then I get you with some daft commend
15:15:23 <nsh> ]]] -TRANSLATION: FUCK YEAH!
15:15:37 <nslater> hehe
15:15:43 <MoiraA> nsh - what kind of person swallows magnets?
15:15:45 <nsh> pardon my language, MoiraA
15:15:46 <nslater> where can you buy these from?
15:16:00 <nsh> from WONDERMAGNET
15:16:09 <nsh> .title wondermagnet.com
15:16:10 <phenny> nsh: WONDERMAGNET.COM - NdFeB Magnets, Magnet Wire, Books, Weird Science, Needful Things
15:16:18 <nsh> full of needful things
15:16:23 <MoiraA> no, the language is no problem, it's not my business to complain about it anyway
15:16:28 <nsh> there's probably cheaper outlets
15:16:31 * nsh smiles
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15:17:01 <Monty> yo shepazu!
15:17:01 <nsh> oh man
15:17:13 <nsh> i need to make a five-interlocking tetrahedron model with supermagnets
15:17:21 * nsh calculates how many that would require
15:17:40 <nsh> .c 6 * 6 * 5
15:17:41 <phenny> 6 * 6 * 5 = 180
15:18:22 <MoiraA> sbp around?
15:18:39 <MoiraA> hmmm
15:18:40 <nsh> no wait
15:18:46 <MoiraA> hope you people don't mind
15:19:08 <MoiraA> well
15:19:20 * MoiraA will wait till it materialises
15:20:51 <nslater> this is total madness...
15:20:54 <nslater> [[[
15:21:02 <nslater> The current ethos for HTML 5 seems to be to remove any mechanism by which it can be extended in any way without going through the HTML working group and changing the core spec.
15:21:05 <nslater> ...
15:21:07 <nslater> The same cannot be said for OpenID's extensions via <link rel="...">, which are apparently not allowed in HTML 5 either.
15:21:14 <nslater> ]]] - http://community.livejournal.com/apparentlymart/13890.html
15:21:14 <Monty> after that...
15:21:15 <nslater> [[[
15:21:23 <nslater> Actually, there's a wiki page where you can register rel values: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/RelExtensions It seems that OpenID is covered already.
15:21:29 <nslater> ]]] - id.annevankesteren.nl
15:21:41 * nslater stabs his eyes out with a spork
15:22:42 <nsh> .c 0.3 * 2000 * 45%
15:22:43 <phenny> 0.3 * 2 000 * (45%) = 270
15:22:54 <nsh> 270 for 2000 sphere magnets
15:23:00 <MoiraA> bbiab - got to phone international bank before 5
15:23:00 <nslater> I am, still, totally perplexed that hixie and his merry men think it's a perfectly acceptable solution to remove profiles and replace them with a Wiki
15:24:11 * nsh is still perplexed that people think the future of the internet can be decided by committee
15:24:21 <nsh> i have been for about 5 years
15:25:10 <nsh> apparantly, everyone's arsebackwards and clue-destitute
15:25:44 <nsh> so i affirmed my vow of nonproductivity
15:26:49 <nsh> wow, nice fonts and colours: http://www.holotopology.net/
15:27:19 <nslater> to add new link types for HTML5 I have to participate in the microformats circlejerk, ugh, this is a joke, I'm sticking with HTML 4.01 until I die
15:27:48 * nsh avoids thinking about it
15:27:58 <nslater> death or circlejerking?
15:28:18 <nsh> evolutionary standards
15:28:23 <nsh> i'll get tempted to be productive
15:28:32 <nsh> and that's verboten
15:29:45 <nsh> oh man
15:30:10 <nsh> you can't link to interesting sounding papers and then actually present an image of made-up chinese writing
15:30:17 <nsh> that's not cool
15:30:28 <nsh> http://www.holotopology.net/lis/ls05/tew01.htm none of those pictures mean anything to me :-/
15:30:41 <nsh> wait
15:31:12 <nsh> i think the stick guy with wrangley stick is being chased by a dragon carrying a cage about
15:31:12 <Monty> .t BST
15:31:12 <phenny> Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:59:10 BST
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15:32:36 <nsh> Arnia, you has IEEE accesseses?
15:32:45 <nsh> IEEEEEEEEEEExplore
15:32:59 <Arnia> 'Fraid not
15:33:31 <nsh> THEN YOU ARE THE MARGINALLY LESS COOL
15:33:38 <nsh> nah, you're awesome
15:33:48 <nsh> ieee and your institution are wankface
15:33:57 <nsh> especially ieeeeeeeeeeeeeejots
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15:34:41 * nsh decides taht his 7pm 'nuts as a clown that saw the edge of the universe' phase might be best spent walking home
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15:37:47 <MoiraA> that some kind of lecture nsh?
15:41:44 <Arnia> Right, my equality stuff works now
15:41:53 <Arnia> And handles commutative terms correctly
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16:00:56 <MoiraA> ah hooray
16:00:57 <MoiraA> at last
16:01:06 <MoiraA> nslater, nsh you alive?
16:01:15 <Stannly> hello MoiraA :)
16:01:35 <MoiraA> welcome Stannly, just so you know this is a publicly logged channel
16:01:51 <Stannly> roger that
16:02:37 <MoiraA> just hang around Stannly, nobody seems to be active at present
16:02:38 <MoiraA> ja?
16:02:48 <Stannly> ja
16:03:02 * MoiraA kicks Stannly
16:03:04 <MoiraA> ja is a person
16:03:08 <Stannly> lol
16:03:18 <ja> morning
16:03:26 <ja> going back out to see Lance Armstrong run by
16:03:37 <ja> testing flickr video uploads ..
16:03:39 <MoiraA> ah hello
16:03:43 <ja> MVI_3291.AVI was not uploaded: File was too large - the limit is 5MB (10MB for pro users)
16:03:44 <MoiraA> ok np
16:03:46 <ja> poo poo
16:03:51 <MoiraA> I'm looking for a python expert
16:03:52 <ja> it wants no cheruyiot. oh well
16:04:01 <ja> hmm, if you need a ruby expert shoot :)
16:04:01 <MoiraA> or even limited knowledge would do
16:04:10 * _bjoern wonders what Stannly thought "ja?" means
16:04:20 * _bjoern like, "japanese?" or "yes?" or something else?
16:04:23 <MoiraA> Stannly: would it work in ruby?
16:04:30 <MoiraA> _bjoern, he - yeah
16:04:48 <MoiraA> you aren't a python programmer by any chance?
16:05:31 <_bjoern> I am not. But I could be in exchange for monies or food or other goods.
16:05:34 <ja> just ask the question :)
16:05:37 <MoiraA> what I could do Stannly is email sbp then he would see if soon enough
16:06:08 <MoiraA> well, I asked a while back on Stannly's behalf how to make a suduko program in python
16:06:11 <bancus> Morbus: Yo?
16:06:13 <bancus> Or
16:06:16 <bancus> MoiraA: Yo?
16:06:40 <MoiraA> and more or less got told several reason why not to
16:06:41 <MoiraA> which I can't remember any of
16:06:45 <MoiraA> he's stuck on something I can't help with, Stannly you ask
16:06:51 <MoiraA> haha yes
16:07:38 <MoiraA> unbelievable I know but he's actually not as stupid as he looks :)
16:07:39 <MoiraA> where the **** has he gone?
16:07:39 <MoiraA> Stannly!
16:07:45 <Stannly> hey sorry here
16:07:58 <MoiraA> you ask the question
16:08:02 <MoiraA> what you want in python
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16:09:14 <Stannly> i basically need a python/tkinter GUI for a sudoku game, 9x9 grid, editable fields, either text entry or button click entry
16:09:51 <Stannly> simple as, dont need to generate the crrect answers or generate sudoku puzzles, just have like 3 or 4 pzuzles to cycle through with fixed solutions gathered from the net
16:11:29 <Arnia> Homework?
16:11:45 <MoiraA> Arnia no
16:11:48 <MoiraA> I can vouch for that
16:11:50 <Arnia> k
16:12:01 <MoiraA> I know Stannly well for a lot of years
16:12:08 * Arnia removes his university educator hat and puts on the fluffy green one instead
16:12:10 <Arnia> It has bells
16:12:36 <Stannly> im not sure if im going to do it, im just looking at how i would start it
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16:12:52 <Stannly> and i admit my knowledge with the tkinter module is less than basic
16:13:01 <MoiraA> Stannly is too old for homework for a start Arnia
16:13:38 <Stannly> decrepid you might say
16:13:53 <Arnia> I know an 80 year old mature student though, so
16:14:06 * Arnia wishes there were more mature students again
16:14:22 <MoiraA> yeah Stannly, no need to take the piss
16:14:29 <MoiraA> it's a reasonable question
16:14:56 <Stannly> relax, no sarcasm intended
16:14:57 <MoiraA> pity sbp isn't here right now, he had some pretty scathing comments on it, but can I hell remember them
16:15:37 <Arnia> :Arnia --> :hungry (0.8).
16:15:43 <Stannly> sack it moira if sbp comes back later then any comments would be helpful, but im just going to make a start on it
16:16:07 <Arnia> Time to depart and shuffle my way back along Church Street
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16:17:00 <MoiraA> just stick around here would be my advice for now
16:17:01 <MoiraA> make a start then more people would probably help
16:17:27 <Stannly> yeah i can ask bit by bit, bit pointless asking when i dont know what bit im stuck on
16:17:36 <MoiraA> total strangers coming in demanding to be spoonfed python naturally has people thinking "why the hell should I?"
16:19:49 <sbp> hellos
16:20:05 <MoiraA> oh sbp!
16:20:07 <MoiraA> just the person
16:20:11 <Arnia> sbp: goodbyes
16:20:30 <MoiraA> I cant find your scathing comments on writing suduko in python, would you mind repeating them
16:21:10 <sbp> you say why, and I say I don't know!
16:21:13 <sbp> dweeee-oooh
16:21:16 <sbp> woah no
16:21:19 <sbp> you say goodbye!
16:21:22 <sbp> and I say hello!
16:21:30 <sbp> sudoku? oh, I just hate sudoku in general
16:21:35 <MoiraA> huh?
16:21:37 <_bjoern> <Merkel> soaring prices are not caused by biofuel production, but by the indians, chinese eating too much.
16:21:42 <sbp> it should be reasonably easy to solve in python
16:21:51 <sbp> I think there are several sudoku solvers out there
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