00:00:22 <z^> http://www.cockeyed.com/inside/howmuchinside.html -- these are funny
00:43:40 <thelsdj> hmm someone is using my email address as the from field in spam
00:43:43 <thelsdj> getting a bunch of bounces
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00:52:27 <nslater> thelsdj: that happend to me this week too
00:52:43 <nslater> thelsdj: must have got near to a thousand bounces :(
01:02:07 <thelsdj> hrm trying to figure out how to read a header out of mbox format, but handle multi line properly
01:02:29 <thelsdj> i want to parse the To: header from a bunch of emails
01:10:09 <nslater> use formail
01:10:13 <nslater> formail -X From:
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02:25:28 <z^> I don't think we're an on-topic channel...
02:28:43 <tonybaloney867> on-topic is off-topic and off-topic is on-topic :)
02:28:52 <tonybaloney867> right, Monty?
02:28:54 <Monty> strange how can count towards psychology
02:30:25 <nslater> plum is always on-topic
02:30:29 <plum> there are various strange things you can do with analog computing. my addressbook is always a gotcha.
02:30:45 <nslater> see...
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03:18:34 <deltab> 24/04/2008 07:35-08:05 Invader Zim — on ITV4!
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03:28:45 <xover> Ugh. Phishing spam targetting Amazon.co.uk now. :-(
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04:33:30 <xover> nslater: The correct response to the gnome.org bug was “We'll need a copy of the movies to reproduce this problem.”
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05:18:00 <thelsdj> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzgGUW__9Jo
05:18:01 <phenny> thelsdj: YouTube - Riskay Feat. Aviance and Real - Smell Yo Dick (OFFICIAL VID)
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07:21:03 <_bjoern> my package has been in the state "transport to delivery base" (from the delivery package center) for 36 hours.
07:21:33 <_bjoern> I wish this tracking wasn't so useless, last time I had the packet long before the status switched to the last stage
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07:27:35 <sbp> .gc furphy
07:27:35 <phenny> sbp: 23 Apr 23:39Z <nslater> tell sbp http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477454
07:27:36 <phenny> sbp: 23 Apr 23:42Z <nslater> tell sbp https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472370
07:27:37 <phenny> furphy: 117,000
07:27:41 <sbp> woah, Invader Zim was on?! damn mang
07:29:45 <sbp> hahaha. “Although this abuse is unfortunate, I fail to see what makes this bug release critical.”
07:29:58 *** sbp changed the topic to: "file:///Sebastian/Droge/please/choke/on/a/bucket/of/cocks"
07:32:12 <sbp> “these movies play without issue on my installation”
07:32:29 <_bjoern> What are the odds that the delivery man visits me the moment I turn on my shower?
07:32:42 <sbp> about evens
07:33:09 <sbp> what was the package?
07:34:03 <_bjoern> 500gb hard drive to replace tons of cd/dvd media, usb dvb-t stick to replace my dying 15y old tv, headphones.
07:34:19 <sbp> x-sweeto
07:34:26 <sbp> a new, experimental form of sweet
07:34:50 <sbp> hard drive to replace stacks of cd/dvds: yeah, I've been thinking about that too
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07:37:17 <laplink> .wik Drobo
07:37:18 <phenny> "Drobo is a data storage peripheral, developed by Data Robotics, Inc., which interfaces up to four 3.5' SATA hard drives with a computer via High-Speed USB 2.0 (no FireWire or eSATA)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drobo
07:38:38 <laplink> The demo videos superficially make it seem that expanding capacity as bigger drives become available / affordable is as simple as pull old -> insert new -> work as usual while new drive rebuilds.
07:38:41 <_bjoern> at 0.13 EUR/GB there is really no reason to have those weird removable media in major amounts
07:39:42 <laplink> I haven't done any math on what the unit's base price + lost space to redundancy => in terms of EUR/GB.
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07:40:59 <sbp> “Seagate's first drive, shipped in 1979 was the ST506, which had a capacity of 5MB and cost a cool $1,500 — or $300 per megabyte. Today, a typical Seagate holds 1TB and cost just 1/50th of a cent ($0.0002) per megabyte.” - /.
07:41:52 <sbp> .calc 0.2 USD in EUR
07:41:54 <phenny> 0.2 USD in EUR = 0.13 EUR
07:41:57 <sbp> heh
07:42:07 <_bjoern> I'm good, am I not.
07:42:11 <sbp> very
07:42:16 <sbp> did you get your figure from /. too? :-)
07:42:36 <_bjoern> no, from my hardware vendor for the samsung drive I ordered.
07:42:43 <sbp> awesome
07:43:02 <sbp> .calc 0.2 USD in GBP
07:43:04 <phenny> 0.2 USD in GBP = 0.1 GBP
07:43:13 <sbp> 10p for a GB seems like a good deal
07:43:25 <sbp> so I should be able to buy a 100 GB drive for a tenner?
07:45:24 <sbp> doesn't quite seem to bear out
07:45:36 <sbp> there's a LaCie 120GB 5400RPM USB2 8MB 2.5" for £43.56 for example
07:45:36 <Monty> "Please to teach a good overview from Gk. prophylaktikos 'precautionary,' from it's not true, without ssl!
07:46:19 <sbp> or a LaCie 80GB 5400RPM USB2 8MB 2.5" for £38.90
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07:48:34 <Monty> But what does Xanthor|aw have to do with the price of fish?
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07:52:54 <cre8radix> ahoi
07:58:37 <_bjoern> "how big is your mobility?"
08:00:21 <_bjoern> .c 500000000000 byte in GB
08:00:22 <phenny> 500 000 000 000 byte = 465.661287 gigabytes
08:03:16 <_bjoern> "Please visit www.samsunghdd.com and use the HUTIL for confirming or switching the UDMA mode on your drive if your motherboard supports UDMA-6."
08:03:35 <_bjoern> Well if I unter HUTIL in the search box there it finds nothing...
08:04:04 <sbp> .g site:www.samsunghdd.com HUTIL
08:04:05 <phenny> sbp: No results found for 'site:www.samsunghdd.com HUTIL'.
08:04:11 <sbp> .g site:samsunghdd.com HUTIL
08:04:12 <phenny> sbp: No results found for 'site:samsunghdd.com HUTIL'.
08:04:18 <sbp> anus and fail
08:04:25 <_bjoern> .g site:samsung.com HUTIL
08:04:25 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/support/utilities/Support_HUTIL.html
08:05:03 <_bjoern> cf http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/hddSearch.do?searchWord=hutil
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08:11:47 <sbp> “But seriously, fuck you, EMI. Oops. Forgot the asterisks. I’ll put them h**e instead.”
08:11:52 <sbp> — Graham Linehan
08:12:56 <sbp> “An Ethiopian man with 11 wives and 77 children is urging people not to follow his example and is giving advice on family planning and contraception.”
08:13:33 <_bjoern> It's kinda sweet even 500GB drives come with the option to limit drive capacity to 32GB to make them compatible with ancient systems.
08:13:47 <laplink> Aww.
08:16:22 <sbp> okay
08:16:27 <sbp> I'm going to shout “cocks”
08:16:32 <sbp> please do not be alarmed by this
08:16:35 <sbp> COCKS
08:16:40 <sbp> thank you for not having been alarmed by this
08:16:43 * selggig is alarmed
08:16:43 <_bjoern> aaah the horrors of waiting for the new toys
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08:16:55 <sbp> selggig: you need not have been alarmed by this
08:18:13 <selggig> you need to give three day advance warning, also repeated warning in the channel in bold, reverse text
08:18:29 <sbp> what about if I put it in the topic?
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08:19:12 <selggig> I never read the topic, I don't leave
08:19:24 <sbp> ah, you don't use a client where you can always see the topic?
08:19:32 <sbp> using a client where you can always see the topic is bliss
08:19:37 <selggig> well it's up there, I do not pay any attention
08:19:42 <sbp> fair enough
08:19:42 <_bjoern> hmm apparently the drive supports both PATA and SATA. interesting.
08:19:49 <sbp> PSATA
08:19:56 * sbp gets ready to wander off to the library...
08:20:56 <_bjoern> .gc library porn
08:20:57 <phenny> library porn: 364,000
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08:37:46 <laplink> _bjoern: Unless it's a SATA adapter on a PATA drive; in which case it's… well, cocks.
08:40:07 <_bjoern> I wish my other SATA drive would have had that, or that somebody had told me the original win2k3 does not support installation to sata drives.
08:40:20 <laplink> heh heh
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08:40:38 <_bjoern> It was a terrible day when I found out. Especially because loading the drivers from a floppy was kinda difficult.
08:41:15 <_bjoern> For reasons like having no floppy drive connected, being unable to connect one without major hassle, and having misplaced the few 7y old disks...
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08:51:14 <_bjoern> .c 25*8*2
08:51:14 <phenny> 25 * 8 * 2 = 400
08:51:29 <_bjoern> .c 400 + 256 + 50
08:51:29 <phenny> 400 + 256 + 50 = 706
08:51:37 <_bjoern> .c 700 times 500 MB
08:51:37 <phenny> 700 times 500 megabytes = 341.796875 gigabytes
08:52:07 <_bjoern> So I suppose I do have enough space for this
08:53:12 <_bjoern> Perhaps I should connect some more CD drives for this
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08:54:03 <Monty> lo Arnia
08:59:48 <_bjoern> calc 33 + 6 + 21 + 8 + 6 + 3
08:59:49 <Monty> _bjoern: 77
09:01:53 <laplink> .title http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3627/mmo_class_design_up_with_hybrids_.php?print=1
09:01:54 <phenny> laplink: No title found
09:02:00 <laplink> Grr!
09:02:16 <laplink> .title http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ID=16454
09:02:16 <phenny> laplink: Inside Mac Games News: MMO Class Design: Creating Effective Hybrid Classes
09:02:35 <laplink> .title http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3627/mmo_class_design_up_with_hybrids_.php
09:02:35 <phenny> laplink: Gamasutra - MMO Class Design: Up With Hybrids! An Economic Argument
09:03:20 <_bjoern> The page starts with [[[
09:03:21 <_bjoern> <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.gamasutra.com/css/print.css" />
09:03:21 <_bjoern> <div style="width: 750px; margin:auto;">
09:03:21 <Monty> dewi yn y heofnum
09:03:22 <_bjoern> ]]]
09:03:45 <_bjoern> I like all those [[[
09:03:45 <_bjoern> <p class="MsoNormal">
09:03:46 <_bjoern> <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana"></span>
09:03:46 <_bjoern> </p>
09:03:47 <_bjoern> ]]]
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09:06:56 <nsh> .wik Sebastian Droge
09:07:00 <phenny> "Date Time Name Currency Gross Fee Net Comment" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikidemia/Fundraising/fundraiser2005q4clean.txt
09:07:12 <nsh> obviously not a real person
09:07:12 <_bjoern> .mangle Date Time Name Currency Gross Fee Net Comment
09:07:12 <phenny> _bjoern: .mangle hasn't been ported to my new codebase yet
09:07:25 <_bjoern> phenny2 is teh suxx lik hellz
09:08:36 <_bjoern> on the gamasutra page http://spe.atdmt.com/ds/NMMRTUMISVSE/mrs07178_tug_300x250.gif?ver=1 - hmm
09:13:52 <_bjoern> "Boy or Girl? The Answer May Depend on Mom\rquote s Eating Habits"
09:14:06 <_bjoern> - http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/boy-or-girl-the-answer-may-depend-on-moms-eating-habits/
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10:08:40 <_bjoern> So let's test whether cooking and eating attracts the delivery man
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10:19:51 <_bjoern> Does not seem to work so far.
10:25:31 <laplink> Try repeating the process.
10:26:21 <_bjoern> I'll finish this turn first, going from cooking to eating now.
10:27:45 <_bjoern> I'm ripping my OS/2 Warp 3 OEM installation CDs in the background, I hope that doesn't interfere with it.
10:34:13 <nsh> OS/2 Warp++
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10:34:31 <_bjoern> Yes, 4 was the next version.
10:35:29 <_bjoern> I remember struggeling whether I would switch from DOS (with a bit of NT and WfW) to Merlin, or to, what was it, Chicago?
10:36:18 <nsh> good times
10:36:37 <nsh> i remember dual booting Warp 2 and Dos + some shell
10:37:01 <_bjoern> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_codenames#Windows_NT_family Cairo it seems
10:37:37 <_bjoern> Warp2? I am not *that* old.
10:38:14 <nsh> you could be
10:38:26 <_bjoern> besides, warp was 3+, not 2
10:38:30 <nsh> maybe ufos came and stole 6 years of your life and used rejuvenative drugs
10:38:40 <nsh> yeah, i think i misremembered
10:38:47 <_bjoern> They did, but I know all about it.
10:38:58 <nsh> ah cool
10:39:02 <nsh> you found the dvd
10:39:27 <_bjoern> Glad it wasn't a tattoo on my ass
10:40:54 <_bjoern> hmm new Opera Beta has some MathML support.
10:42:54 <_bjoern> "At the launch of OS/2 Warp in 1994, Patrick Stewart was to be the Master of Ceremonies; however Kate Mulgrew of the then-upcoming series Star Trek: Voyager was substituted at the last minute."
10:45:12 <chandler> I've still got my Warp 3 CD around somewhere. Wonder if it runs under VMware?
10:46:01 <_bjoern> It should
10:46:44 <chandler> can anybody do me a favor and tell me if mail.mastenbrook.net resolves to something *other* than 89.16.183.69 for them?
10:47:11 * _bjoern checks
10:47:30 <_bjoern> answer is no
10:48:20 <chandler> ok. well, I hope all the people with bad DNS configurations who are still talking to the old mail server and getting "554 relay access deined" are going to retry at some point
10:48:58 <_bjoern> IBM is going to sell Web 2.0 servers, apparently...
10:49:16 <chandler> they come preinstalled with hype and crappy user interfaces?
10:49:31 <_bjoern> and gradients on the casing.
10:49:48 <chandler> ooh. now that's worth paying for.
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10:51:22 <_bjoern> pwnd http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080422-drm-sucks-redux-microsoft-to-nuke-msn-music-drm-keys.html
10:52:54 <nsh> rofl
10:52:57 <nsh> Playsforsure
10:53:21 <nsh> who comes up with these named, orwell's retarded nephew?
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10:53:45 <_bjoern> The DRM industry itself is an entertainment industry.
10:54:04 <nsh> true that
10:54:10 * nsh grabs luncheon
10:54:21 <nsh> ooo, luncheon trunchon
10:54:23 * nsh trademarks
10:54:44 <nsh> you can beat that annoying lunchbox *with* your lunchbox
10:55:49 <sbp> yo
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10:56:38 <Stannly> ooof i gotta do a load of XML today :( sadface.
10:56:40 <_bjoern> Haha, apparently Nokia is running the german MSN music thingy and are unaffected.
10:57:15 <_bjoern> (Strictly speaking, by OD2 which was bought by Loudeye which was bought by Nokia...)
10:57:55 <_bjoern> Perhaps Microsoft could buy Nokia instead of Yahoo! and so re-own their MSN store.
10:58:47 <sbp> eh what unaffected?
10:58:51 * sbp reads logs
10:59:01 <_bjoern> READ TEH LOGS STUPID
10:59:08 <sbp> .gc ecumenical library porn
10:59:10 <phenny> ecumenical library porn: 2,880
10:59:13 <sbp> sorry for the delay
10:59:25 <_bjoern> .gc ecumenical library porn fridge
10:59:25 <phenny> ecumenical library porn fridge: 592
11:00:15 <sbp> .gc ecumenical library porn accusatory fridge
11:00:16 <phenny> ecumenical library porn accusatory fridge: 154
11:00:28 <_bjoern> .gc alienated ecumenical library porn accusatory fridge
11:00:28 <phenny> alienated ecumenical library porn accusatory fridge: 148
11:00:52 <sbp> .gc alienated ecumenical library porn accusatory fridge trusteeship
11:00:53 <phenny> alienated ecumenical library porn accusatory fridge trusteeship: 116
11:01:01 <_bjoern> .gc alienated ecumenical library porn accusatory fridge triatomic trusteeship
11:01:02 <phenny> alienated ecumenical library porn accusatory fridge triatomic trusteeship: 73
11:01:15 <sbp> .gc alienated ecumenical library porn accusatory fridge triatomic trusteeship endemicness
11:01:15 <phenny> alienated ecumenical library porn accusatory fridge triatomic trusteeship endemicness: 0
11:01:19 <sbp> aw, cocks
11:01:22 <_bjoern> pwnd
11:01:23 <sbp> .gc endemicness
11:01:23 <phenny> endemicness: 24
11:01:26 <sbp> aw, cocks
11:01:34 <_bjoern> .gc endemicness porn
11:01:35 <phenny> endemicness porn: 2
11:01:38 <sbp> hehe
11:01:42 <sbp> .gc endemicness porn cakes
11:01:43 <phenny> endemicness porn cakes: 3
11:01:49 <_bjoern> CUE VIOLENCE
11:01:52 <sbp> FEAT AND LOATHINR
11:02:00 <_bjoern> .gc LOATHING endemicness porn cakes
11:02:00 <phenny> LOATHING endemicness porn cakes: 1
11:02:09 <nsh> .gc LOATHING endemicness porn cakes charlie
11:02:10 <phenny> LOATHING endemicness porn cakes charlie: 0
11:02:15 <sbp> hehe
11:02:16 <nsh> endopwnt
11:02:18 * _bjoern <- unbeatable
11:02:18 <sbp> I was gonna do:
11:02:18 <sbp> .gc LOATHING endemicness porn cakes tourguide
11:02:19 <phenny> LOATHING endemicness porn cakes tourguide: 0
11:02:21 <sbp> aw
11:02:23 <sbp> cocks
11:02:25 <_bjoern> pwnd too
11:02:31 <sbp> .gc tourguide porn
11:02:32 <phenny> tourguide porn: 156,000
11:03:05 <sbp> nsh: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477454
11:03:10 <sbp> nsh: that explains the topic
11:03:25 <z^> Yay! Ubuntu today!
11:04:16 <_bjoern> I wonder what's the word that co-occurs with porn on web sites the least.
11:04:30 <_bjoern> .gcs [chemiluminescence] [chemiluminescence porn]
11:04:31 <phenny> chemiluminescence (1,340,000), chemiluminescence porn (1,550)
11:04:45 <sbp> what, you mean the biggest such ratio?
11:04:46 <nsh> ahahahah
11:04:48 <nsh> awesome
11:04:53 <sbp> nsh: :-)
11:04:56 <z^> heh
11:05:01 <z^> that's scary
11:05:05 <z^> .gc ubuntu porn
11:05:06 <phenny> ubuntu porn: 923,000
11:05:12 <_bjoern> I am not entirely sure what the criteria would be, but something close to that, yes.
11:05:13 <nsh> because he complained
11:05:22 <nsh> i'm going to make it a point of personal honour
11:05:29 <nsh> to include an insult to him in everything i ever code from now on
11:05:43 <z^> Whom?
11:05:44 <nsh> because bitchin' ain't cool
11:05:48 <z^> *who
11:06:04 <nsh> Sebastian Droge (choker upon many a bucket'o'cock)
11:06:06 <sbp> # This function works fine, but fuck Sebastian Droge anyway.
11:06:19 <sbp> def SebastianDroge_cock_choker():
11:06:20 <sbp> pass
11:07:02 <z^> Hahaha
11:07:18 <z^> Add that to phenny, see how many people notice...
11:07:23 <sbp> hehe
11:07:38 <nslater> lo
11:07:46 * nsh senses great meme potential in this mythical Droge fellow
11:07:49 <_bjoern> (clearly 1 000 000 : 1 000 is more awesome than 1 000 : 0 even though the ratio is the same)
11:08:34 <nsh> everything should be in ratios of OVER NINE THOUSAND
11:10:07 <nsh> trew
11:10:10 <sbp> _bjoern: difference then?
11:12:01 <nsh> "The best part of the article was reading the ads on the right column advertising: Hitler Ringtones..."
11:12:04 <nsh> -Fark
11:12:28 <sbp> Hitler Ringtones?
11:12:36 <sbp> like, clips of his speeches?
11:12:45 <sbp> DAS IST NICHT EINE BOOBIE!
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11:15:49 <_bjoern> Das ist kein ..., das ist keine ..., das sind keine ...
11:15:57 <sbp> _bjoern: it's a Simpsons quote, this time
11:16:15 <_bjoern> I don't recall it from the german version...
11:16:29 <sbp> from where Abe Simpson tells the story about how he fell behind enemy lines and had to live out the rest of the war as a cabaret artist
11:16:38 <sbp> and one day Hitler was in the crowd, and one of Abe's fake boobies pops out
11:16:45 <_bjoern> Perhaps you should watch the german original with en subtitles instead of the terrible dubbing.
11:16:48 <sbp> and Hitler stands up and goes DAS IST NICHT EINE BOOBIE!
11:16:49 <sbp> it's great
11:16:51 <sbp> hehe
11:18:28 <Arnia> Huh
11:18:29 <Arnia> http://www.facebook.com/lexicon/index.php
11:18:50 <_bjoern> that redirects to the frontpage.
11:19:05 <_bjoern> for uncool people like myself with no cookies and no facebook account at least.
11:19:08 <nslater> because facebook fails at using http status codes
11:19:54 <sbp> at least your Firefox isn't fucking drunk like mine
11:20:02 <sbp> seriously. it's all
11:20:14 <sbp> <Firefox> lol shush im tryign to lods ur webpaog
11:20:19 <_bjoern> Yes, I'm using Firefox "IE6 edition".
11:20:21 <sbp> <Firefox> i feel sick
11:20:25 <sbp> <Firefox> sbp
11:20:29 <sbp> <Firefox> HEY SBP
11:20:30 <Arnia> Ok, it counts the usage of words across messages and walls, etc. and plots it against time
11:20:33 <sbp> <Firefox> i love you sbp
11:20:34 <nslater> lol
11:20:39 <nslater> u wanna cybur?
11:20:42 <sbp> hehe
11:20:59 <Arnia> So you can ask for comparison of the usage of "skiing" and "beach"
11:21:11 * sbp restarts it
11:21:37 <nslater> hmm, I cant get any interesting data
11:21:48 <nslater> ... all the words I choose end up with the same type of graph
11:21:51 <sbp> aha, now I see it
11:22:11 <sbp> dicks is pwning cocks
11:22:20 *** z^ is now known as zachb
11:22:30 *** zachb is now known as z^
11:22:35 * sbp tries photosynthesis, transubstantiation
11:22:53 <sbp> “There is no data available for your query. Please try another term.”
11:23:49 <sbp> what's the difference between the Chinese internet and a bag of dwarves?
11:24:06 <z^> What?\
11:25:01 <Arnia> Ok, two interesting new features in a week. I'm happy
11:25:05 <sbp> you'll have to provide your own punchline
11:25:08 <sbp> I'm best with the setups
11:25:44 *** z^ is now known as zachb
11:26:01 * Arnia deletes zachb
11:26:53 <Morbus> http://www.disobey.com/node/1831
11:27:15 <zachb> nslater told me to change it D:
11:27:16 <sbp> .title
11:27:16 <phenny> sbp: ZOMG, MORBUS 2.2 PICTURES! | disobey.com
11:27:24 <sbp> woah dude!
11:27:26 <sbp> congratz!
11:27:32 <zachb> wha?
11:27:36 <_bjoern> the suggestions on http://weblogs.asp.net/andrewseven/archive/2007/09/18/ie6-ui-vista-and-firefox.aspx all seem to suck
11:27:44 <sbp> suspicious of the butterly... hehe
11:27:57 <zachb> Ooh! Congratulations!
11:27:58 <laplink> @Morbus++
11:28:03 <_bjoern> Morbus did it again!
11:28:12 <Morbus> Oops!
11:28:27 <_bjoern> You listen too much to bad music!
11:28:37 <Morbus> NP: 'Voci Dal Nulla' from Fabio Frizzi's album 'The Beyond: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack'; Rating: 4/5; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005N84Q/disobeycom/
11:28:38 <nslater> laplink: http://www.flickr.com/photos/midgetdrunk/
11:29:03 <laplink> Hey, these all have their clothes on!
11:29:05 * Arnia makes sandwich
11:29:23 <sbp> such is Flickr
11:29:57 <nslater> yeah.. the girls I mentioned were both from last week so he hasn't had the chance to take the photos yet :p
11:30:06 <sbp> “Hundreds of thousands of pupils are locked out of their classrooms.” — BBC News
11:30:10 <sbp> oh yeah, better lock them out
11:30:10 <Morbus> i have better pictures of Julia meeting Scarlett. but I chose this one to obscure her. for her own privacy ;)
11:30:15 <_bjoern> I STILL DONT HAVE MY TOYS AND THE ONLINE TRACKER IS STILL ALL THE SAME!
11:30:20 <sbp> otherwise, like, I'm sure they'd want to get in
11:30:32 <sbp> Morbus: looks pretty good
11:30:39 <sbp> teh happies
11:31:02 <laplink> Kids have Privacy now?
11:31:16 <laplink> Back in my day…&c.
11:31:21 <sbp> in Ameeeerica, first you get ze privacy, and zhen you get ze vimmen
11:31:27 <Morbus> laplink: they will 10 years from now. and what I do /now/ will affect that.
11:31:49 <Morbus> everyone's embarrassing pictures they post of their children, on the internetzzz, will one day be used in school to embarass her.
11:31:50 <laplink> Ah, an Optimist.
11:32:15 <sbp> internet will be replaced by the Obamasphere by then
11:32:28 <nsh> oh god
11:32:34 <Morbus> and whilst i'm all for carrie white, my children should be able to choose how much they want to exist ;)
11:32:35 <sbp> you heard it here first
11:32:47 <nsh> there will soon be a generation of school children whose parents will all have been 13 year old myspace users
11:32:53 <nsh> that is a godawful thought
11:33:02 <sbp> woah
11:33:18 <nsh> we might need to bleach the internet in about 10 years
11:33:34 <sbp> then again, current generation are the kids of 80s new romantics and stuff
11:33:47 * laplink approves of the implication that Internet is the defining quantum of existence…
11:34:40 <Monty> nslater: You asked me to remind you to search youtube for Jonathan Meades
11:34:53 <laplink> .wik Carrie White
11:34:53 <phenny> "For the former oldest recognized person in the world, see List of American supercentenarians#Carrie C. White Carietta 'Carrie' White is a fictional character created by Stephen King." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_White
11:34:53 <sbp> nslater nslater nslater nslater nslater
11:34:59 <chandler> nsh: don't worry, stuff on myspace now will be as inaccessible in ten years as stuff that was on gopher ten years ago is now
11:35:05 <chandler> wait, gopher was longer than ten years ago
11:35:09 * nsh is dubious
11:35:10 <nslater> it's funny to imagine our generation in 60 years time, sitting around the Cee Dee player reminicing about how great Oasis was and how the the Prodigy was fantastic, mang
11:35:17 <sbp> dew bee us
11:35:26 <nsh> storage capacity is outgrowning the need for deletion
11:35:37 <nsh> information is soon becoming immortal
11:35:38 <chandler> nsh: it's not storage, it's protcol churn
11:35:46 <sbp> bytes don't get any bigger, but storage does
11:35:48 <_bjoern> No worries, they are already deploying suicide booths.
11:35:55 <nslater> Monty: remind me in 24 hours to search youtube for Jonathan Meades
11:35:56 <Monty> nslater: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Fri Apr 25 13:05:40 BST 2008
11:35:58 <nsh> pictures and forum posts don't require protocol to archive
11:36:02 <sbp> Futurama for wins
11:36:24 <nsh> but i suppose it depends on how craft the facespazes are at preventing leeches
11:36:29 <nsh> *crafty
11:36:31 <sbp> I hope the next movie is a little less complicated
11:36:34 <sbp> or... more complicated
11:36:41 <nslater> so, facebook has a new page that lists all the people you MIGHT know
11:36:54 <chandler> nsh: eh. go find me anything off of - shoot, I don't even remember the name of the one that was popular before orkut
11:37:20 <sbp> facemagazine
11:37:21 <chandler> about the only thing that's truly immortal on teh internet is usenet. and swhack logs, of course
11:37:29 <nslater> damn usenet
11:37:41 <chandler> yeah, and I've already embarassed myself plenty there :-)
11:37:58 * nsh has posted on the internet less times than he has fingers
11:38:01 <nsh> and intends to keep it that way
11:38:33 <_bjoern> .gc "acute toy deprivation"
11:38:34 <phenny> "acute toy deprivation": 3
11:38:48 <sbp> .g "acute toy deprivation"
11:38:49 <phenny> sbp: http://www.toxicslink.org/nalert-view.php?id=176
11:39:07 <chandler> .gc "acute sex toy deprivation"
11:39:08 <phenny> "acute sex toy deprivation": 0
11:39:12 * nslater laughs
11:39:14 <sbp> “Three-year-old Surya Chawla in Delhi’s upmarket Defence Colony is suffering from acute toy deprivation. His mum, Anita, has locked up all his toys; including the spanking new Thomas & Friends train set she gifted him for his recent birthday. And he can’t understand why.”
11:39:15 <zachb> hehe
11:39:19 <sbp> .gc "acute sex deprivation"
11:39:19 <phenny> "acute sex deprivation": 13
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11:39:37 <nslater> ugh, I hate the verbation of "gift"
11:39:51 * sbp gifts nslater a gifty verb
11:40:04 <sbp> what about “gifted”?
11:40:13 <nslater> what about it?
11:40:20 <nslater> verbing weirds language
11:40:28 <sbp> gifted is as old as the moon
11:40:30 <chandler> a trend I am fully in support of
11:40:44 <laplink> .gc "acute sex deprivation deprivation"
11:40:44 <phenny> "acute sex deprivation deprivation": 0
11:40:58 <laplink> .gc "acute sex-deprivation deprivation"
11:40:58 <phenny> "acute sex-deprivation deprivation": 0
11:40:58 <sbp> .gs * deprivation deprivation
11:40:59 <phenny> * deprivation deprivation: phendimetrazine (2)
11:41:10 <nslater> .gc * deprivation
11:41:12 <phenny> * deprivation: 10,400,000
11:41:15 <nslater> .gs * deprivation
11:41:16 <phenny> * deprivation: sleep (14), sensory (4), townsend material (2), parental (2), overcoming touch (2), of (2), emotional (2), androgen (2)
11:41:18 <laplink> .gc "acute sex"
11:41:19 <phenny> "acute sex": 1,220
11:41:22 <sbp> .gs * is a nut, he has a rubber butt
11:41:23 <phenny> * is a nut, he has a rubber butt: th)
11:41:24 <laplink> .gs acute sex *
11:41:25 <phenny> acute sex *: steroid (18), addiction (4), differences (3), com (2)
11:41:32 <nslater> .com :)
11:41:45 <chandler> .g "townsend material deprivation"
11:41:45 <phenny> chandler: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O88-relativedeprivation.html
11:41:47 <laplink> .gc "acute sex addiction"
11:41:47 <phenny> "acute sex addiction": 165
11:42:28 <_bjoern> .gs accute * addiction
11:42:29 <phenny> accute * addiction: computer-related)
11:42:40 <_bjoern> .gs acute * addiction
11:42:41 <phenny> acute * addiction: memory impairment (3), pyelonephritis (2), opiate (2), heroin (2), care (2), adrenaline (2), addicted (2)
11:43:01 <chandler> .gc "deprivation addiction"
11:43:01 <phenny> "deprivation addiction": 186
11:43:07 <zachb> .gc acute porn
11:43:08 <phenny> acute porn: 228,000
11:43:12 <zachb> .gc acute
11:43:13 <phenny> acute: 48,200,000
11:43:21 <_bjoern> .gc acute porn deprivation
11:43:22 <phenny> acute porn deprivation: 18,900
11:43:31 <_bjoern> whosnext?
11:43:35 <chandler> .gc acute midget porn deprivation
11:43:36 <nslater> sbp: if "essay" is to a short literary composition, what is to a photographic composition?
11:43:36 <phenny> acute midget porn deprivation: 2,140
11:43:44 <sbp> ‘"The costliest of the lot is the Special Anniversary Edition that we got two months back. It's called the Steam Along Thomas Set and it has a 'safe steam effect' that supposedly comes from fuel inside."’
11:43:47 <_bjoern> sbp? nsh?
11:43:52 <Arnia> nslater: read 'The Generative Lexicon'
11:43:54 <nslater> sbp: I got lost in etymologies last night trying to find a counter part
11:43:57 <sbp> nslater: eh?
11:44:05 <nslater> pfft, not explaining my self...
11:44:12 <_bjoern> no u are not
11:44:13 <sbp> how can a photographic composition be short?
11:44:20 <nsh> .gc acute midget porn deprivation carnival
11:44:20 <phenny> acute midget porn deprivation carnival: 1,510
11:44:31 <sbp> me next
11:44:34 <nslater> sbp: um, forget the short bit...
11:44:39 <sbp> .gc acute midget porn deprivation carnival roofies
11:44:40 <phenny> acute midget porn deprivation carnival roofies: 38
11:44:51 * _bjoern after zachb
11:44:52 <nslater> Arnia: hmm?
11:45:24 <nsh> zachb == perfect length nick
11:45:25 <Arnia> nslater: about verbing nouns, nouning verbs (as well as gerunds I mean), etc.
11:45:31 <nslater> aah
11:45:33 * Arnia misread that entirely
11:45:35 <sbp> nslater: camorama?
11:45:39 <sbp> that would be fun
11:45:43 <nslater> no, I think not :)
11:45:50 <sbp> .ety diorama
11:45:50 <phenny> "1823 as a type of picture-viewing device, from Fr. (1822), from Gk. di- 'through' + orama 'that which is seen, a sight.' Invented by Daguerre and Bouton, first exhibited in London Sept." - http://etymonline.com/?term=diorama
11:45:54 <sbp> .ety panorama
11:45:54 <phenny> "1796, 'a painting on a revolving cylindrical surface,' coined c.1789 by inventor, Irish artist Robert Barker, lit. 'a complete view,' from pan- 'all' (q.v.) + Gk. horama 'a view,' from horan 'to look, see.' Meaning 'comprehensive survey' is 1801; panoramic is first [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=panorama
11:45:58 <nslater> ... just trying to think of an appropriate word for photography as you might call some writing an essay
11:46:06 <nslater> ... but all I can think of is "photo" which is mundane
11:46:13 <sbp> as you might call some?
11:46:21 <nslater> yes, some writing
11:46:58 <sbp> photostudy?
11:47:09 <Arnia> Well, the difference between essays and poems, say, is like the difference between portraiture and landscapes in photography
11:47:17 <nslater> hmmm
11:47:29 <nslater> good poinbt
11:47:42 <Arnia> 'essay' isn't the term for the product of writing, it is *a* product. In the
11:48:02 <Arnia> end, there is a level mismatch in your question
11:48:04 <nslater> okay, I suppose what I'm really looking for is two words, one which roughly means "of writing" and one which means "of photography" (or perhaps "of visual nature")
11:48:35 <_bjoern> Apparently one of the players has died
11:48:37 <_bjoern> .gc acute midget porn candy deprivation carnival roofies
11:48:38 <phenny> acute midget porn candy deprivation carnival roofies: 30
11:49:03 <sbp> nsh next?
11:49:04 <chandler> .gc acute midget porn cotton candy deprivation carnival roofies
11:49:04 <phenny> acute midget porn cotton candy deprivation carnival roofies: 28
11:49:08 <sbp> ô
11:49:16 * chandler was after _bjoern
11:49:18 <sbp> now me?
11:49:30 <sbp> I was after nsh
11:49:30 <Monty> There's feet of times as Cinderella would take
11:49:31 <chandler> now nsh
11:49:47 <chandler> Monty: I thought Cinderella took shoes, not feet
11:49:49 <Monty> frantic deceased doll's house :P
11:49:57 <nsh> oh
11:49:58 <nsh> wait
11:49:58 <nslater> Monty: creepy
11:50:00 <Monty> Agapic Porn: 571
11:50:09 <chandler> Monty: no fair starting a new round until we're done with this one!
11:50:12 <Monty> I reckon honey + mortgage = dreams ;)
11:50:22 <nslater> sounds cushy to me
11:50:23 <nsh> .gc acute midget porn cotton candy deprivation carnival gibberish roofies
11:50:24 <phenny> acute midget porn cotton candy deprivation carnival gibberish roofies: 21
11:50:29 <_bjoern> Monty, you have to use .gc and let phenny do the numbers
11:50:29 <Monty> Rahs, eh?
11:50:32 <_bjoern> yes.
11:50:34 <_bjoern> me next?
11:50:35 <nslater> lol
11:50:40 <chandler> no, sbp next
11:50:44 <sbp> .gc thatchery acute midget porn cotton candy deprivation carnival gibberish roofies
11:50:45 <phenny> thatchery acute midget porn cotton candy deprivation carnival gibberish roofies: 0
11:50:50 <chandler> sbp: RIDICULE
11:51:01 <sbp> cocks
11:51:02 <_bjoern> you are supposed to use actual words sbp
11:51:11 <sbp> .gc thatchery porn
11:51:11 <phenny> thatchery porn: 27
11:51:18 <sbp> see!
11:51:25 <chandler> .g thatchery porn
11:51:26 <phenny> chandler: http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/02/gold-regains-it.html
11:52:38 <zachb> Are we playing again?
11:53:11 * chandler out
11:53:38 <sbp> you can play with yourself
11:54:59 <_bjoern> how do you know?
11:55:16 <nslater> what I actually want is two words which mean "of words" and "of pictures"
11:55:17 <sbp> I feel it in Monty's waters
11:55:18 <nslater> bah
11:55:18 <Monty> Tell me more about such feelings.
11:55:41 <nslater> wordorama and picturama dont cut it for me
11:55:42 <Arnia> lexical and pictorial, shurely?
11:55:54 <_bjoern> graphical.
11:55:58 <Arnia> Or literary and graphical :p
11:56:29 <nslater> graphical doesn't carry the right connotations for me, it sounds too illustrative
11:56:39 <nslater> though I accept that technically it's correct :P
11:57:11 <Arnia> Bodger and badger?
11:57:19 <nslater> wow, spot on, thanks Arnia!
11:57:19 * Arnia flings mashed potato at nslater
11:57:20 <_bjoern> .gc ilfrustrative
11:57:21 <phenny> ilfrustrative: 0
11:58:06 <sbp> nslater: you need my etymological-thesaurus
11:58:10 <sbp> sorry I haven't written it yet
11:58:18 <nslater> zomg, that would be amazin!11
11:58:25 <_bjoern> .thesaurus is still broken of course
11:58:25 <phenny> _bjoern: .thesaurus hasn't been ported to my new codebase yet
11:58:42 <sbp> I've already been through several thesauri for this question
11:58:54 <_bjoern> In doubt I always recommend to use german words instead.
11:58:55 <sbp> see, it doesn't look like I'm doing shit
11:58:57 <sbp> but secretly I am
11:58:58 <nslater> ideally, I would want something obscure or aesthetically pleasing, made up words are fine etc
11:59:39 <nslater> made up but meaningful you understand, not "shurdlu" or anything
12:00:09 <_bjoern> Try sanskrit
12:00:39 <sbp> at least you're not as demanding as _bjoern
12:00:46 <nslater> oh?
12:00:47 <sbp> he'd be all "oh, and no cenders"
12:01:01 <nslater> what's a cender?
12:01:09 <_bjoern> wait, nobody said we are talking domain names!
12:01:11 <sbp> ascender | descender = cender
12:01:15 <sbp> well we might be
12:01:28 <nslater> what's a cender? :)
12:01:31 * sbp is trawling the oed
12:01:34 <sbp> I just told you!
12:01:35 <_bjoern> I call them scenders for obvious reasons
12:01:39 <sbp> <sbp> ascender | descender = cender
12:01:42 <nslater> sbp: I know, I'm asking again
12:01:48 <sbp> and I'm explaining again
12:01:48 <_bjoern> .wik ascender
12:01:48 <phenny> "In typography, an ascender is the portion of a letter in a Latin-derived alphabet that extends above the mean line of a font." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascender
12:01:50 <_bjoern> .wik descender
12:01:51 <phenny> "In typography, a descender is the portion of a letter in a Latin-derived alphabet that extends below the baseline of a font." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descender
12:01:54 <nslater> sbp: no, you're *expanding* again
12:02:04 <sbp> <s b p> ?
12:02:11 <nslater> n s h
12:02:12 <Monty> 4 hours so myself, and nodes and badger?
12:02:19 <_bjoern> Yes Monty.
12:02:19 <Monty> You seem to be quite positive.
12:02:25 <Arnia> nslater: the term you're looking for is 'iconic'
12:02:27 <sbp> ugh, 610 words
12:02:29 <_bjoern> I am when I see you Monty.
12:02:33 <Monty> Sky does the American supercentenarians#Carrie C. White is Wayne Bridge injured again?
12:02:45 <sbp> the OED is always cocks slow
12:02:48 <Arnia> nslater: (for a word which is understandable just from looking at it)
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12:03:23 <nslater> Arnia: interesting semantic avenue to explore...
12:03:24 <Monty> did check the XML as gerunds I wish my sister and intolerance required to explain it works/how to learn it say?
12:03:31 <nslater> Monty: SHUP FO'
12:03:33 <Monty> open superabundance ;)
12:03:42 <Arnia> .wik iconicity cognitive science
12:03:43 <phenny> "In functional-cognitive linguistics, as well as in semiotics, iconicity is the conceived similarity or analogy between a form of a sign (linguistic or otherwise) and its meaning, as opposed to arbitrariness." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconicity
12:03:50 <_bjoern> .gc open superabundance porn
12:03:50 <phenny> open superabundance porn: 565
12:03:53 <nslater> hehe, I would make a note of all this, but we have loggy goodness
12:04:09 <sbp> .gc acyrological
12:04:10 <phenny> acyrological: 260
12:04:21 <sbp> means an incorrect use of words
12:05:29 <nslater> for context, I am thinking about my site, wanting two seperate areas for writing and photography
12:05:46 <nslater> but I want to use something meaningfull/nice for the URIs
12:06:21 <nslater> hmm, suppose I could always go with "/writing/" and "/photography/" ;)
12:06:36 <nslater> but that's too easy :p
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12:06:52 <Arnia> Not pretentious enough?
12:07:00 <nslater> bingo
12:07:16 <sbp> oh
12:07:28 <sbp> danbri uses /words/
12:07:40 <sbp> verbolomatics
12:07:46 <nslater> heh, I don't like pural nouns in URIs :)
12:07:48 <sbp> lexicographality
12:07:56 <laplink> /epos/
12:08:05 <laplink> /history/
12:08:20 <laplink> /epic/
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12:08:34 <sbp> nslater: so if you did maths, you wouldn't do /maths/?
12:08:47 <nslater> sbp: "maths" is not plural
12:08:54 <sbp> neither is verbolomatics
12:08:59 <sbp> nor pneumatics
12:09:00 <sbp> etc.
12:09:05 <nslater> I was responding to "words"
12:09:08 <Arnia> nslater: surely that's a really silly thing to rule out
12:09:08 <sbp> oh. heh
12:09:22 <Arnia> nslater: since folders are collections
12:09:46 <nslater> Arnia: not really, it's just a stylistic thing, I don't like using plural nouns for names because I feel that everything has a singular noun version that you could use
12:09:51 <sbp> ha, the OED has "verbicide"
12:09:52 <Monty> proof that review.
12:10:01 <nslater> Arnia: a bag of pies is not "bag-of-pies" it's a "pie-bag"
12:10:09 <Arnia> nslater: not everything does have a singular concept
12:10:12 <sbp> nslater: how about verbage?
12:10:15 <nslater> Arnia: example?
12:10:17 <Arnia> nslater: mass nouns for example
12:10:22 <laplink> .gc verbicide
12:10:22 <phenny> verbicide: 14,200
12:10:29 <nslater> .w verbage
12:10:30 <sbp> nslater: verbarium
12:10:32 <laplink> .gc nounicide
12:10:32 <phenny> nounicide: 2
12:10:40 <Arnia> .gc determinercide
12:10:40 <phenny> determinercide: 0
12:10:54 <Arnia> .gc subordinatingconjunctioncide
12:10:54 <phenny> subordinatingconjunctioncide: 0
12:10:59 <sbp> hehe
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12:11:24 <sbp> verbage: variant of verbiage
12:11:31 <nslater> A deliberate misspelling and mispronunciation of verbiage that assimilates it to the word "garbage".
12:11:33 <sbp> verbiage: Diction, wording, verbal expression.
12:11:49 <sbp> verbicide: The act of destroying the sense or value of a word; the perversion of a word from its proper meaning.
12:11:59 <sbp> verbigerate: To go on repeating the same word or phrase in a meaningless fashion, as a symptom of mental disease.
12:12:09 <sbp> verbocination: Expression of ideas by means of words.
12:12:24 <sbp> DUDE LET'S ENGAGE IN SOME VERBOCINATION
12:12:26 <sbp> yYEeeeah!
12:13:36 <Arnia> nslater: not all nouns make a plural/singular distinction
12:14:01 <nslater> Arnia: example?
12:14:12 <Arnia> nslater: any mass noun, as I said
12:14:19 <nslater> I don't know what that means
12:14:25 <Arnia> .wik mass noun
12:14:26 <phenny> "In linguistics, a mass noun (also uncountable noun or non-count noun) is a common noun that presents entities as an unbounded mass." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_noun
12:14:38 <Arnia> Atelic nouns for the win!
12:14:41 <sbp> pizzle, for example
12:14:44 <Arnia> .wik telicity
12:14:44 <phenny> "In linguistics, telicity is the property of a verb or verb phrase that presents an action or event as being complete in some sense." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telicity
12:15:02 <Arnia> .wik imperfect verb
12:15:03 <phenny> "The imperfect tense, in the classical grammar of several Indo-European languages, denotes a past tense with an imperfective aspect." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperfect_tense
12:15:07 <nslater> Arnia: ah, well that's fine... I don't mind those
12:15:20 <Arnia> nslater: I think singular nouns look ugly
12:15:24 <Arnia> (for collections)
12:15:36 <Arnia> It isn't just a single word, it is lots of *words*
12:15:45 <Arnia> It isn't just a single essay, it is lots of them
12:15:52 <nslater> meh, I hate it when people use variables names such as "tokens" when "token_list" is much nicer, IMHO
12:16:05 <Arnia> …
12:16:12 <Arnia> I'm not letting you near any of my code
12:16:13 <Arnia> EVER
12:16:14 <nslater> also, for URI's it doesn't make sense in the context of an individual essay:
12:16:22 <nslater> /essays/2008/02/i-like-plankton/
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12:16:30 <nslater> ... there you have a plural word for a singular item
12:16:35 <nsh> jesus
12:16:35 <nslater> MAKES NO SENSE
12:16:42 <nsh> this is stupid
12:16:49 <sbp> stupids
12:16:51 <Arnia> No, a plural term for a collection, of which I'm selecting a single member
12:17:04 * nsh smiles
12:17:21 <nslater> you dont think "/essay/2008/02/i-like-plankton/" looks better? it almost reads as a sentence
12:17:26 <Arnia> No!
12:17:30 <Arnia> I think it is horrible
12:17:36 <nslater> well, meh, you're wrong and I'm right :p
12:17:56 * nslater waits to be nuked
12:18:06 <sbp> I think /essays/plankton is better than all of those
12:18:21 <nslater> you dont like date based namespacing?
12:18:23 <sbp> when you chop the URI down to /essays/, you get a list of the essays
12:18:34 <_bjoern> .gc "Then let Microsoft Office do it for ou"
12:18:35 <phenny> "Then let Microsoft Office do it for ou": 0
12:18:35 <sbp> not generally, though it's okay sometimes
12:18:35 <nslater> what if you want to write two essays about how awesome plankton is?
12:18:39 <chandler> /pontifications/2008/02/i-like-plankton/
12:18:48 <sbp> yeah, depends on the essay series
12:19:00 <sbp> but /essays/plankton is the best possible case, URI-æsthetically
12:19:04 <nslater> yes, of course
12:19:08 * Arnia agrees with nslater
12:19:12 <Arnia> uh, with sbp
12:19:14 <nslater> lol
12:19:32 <nslater> well, actually, "/plankton/" would be nicer :)
12:19:33 <_bjoern> I recommend /temp/plankton-essay
12:19:44 <Arnia> I really need to make that sandwich before I feint, faint or fænt
12:19:52 <sbp> why not use Welsh?
12:19:56 <sbp> geiriau and lluniau
12:20:10 <nslater> yes, very æsthetically pleasing
12:20:11 <nslater> ... but no
12:20:21 <_bjoern> you could also go all /me/on/plankton
12:20:29 <nslater> hehe
12:20:30 <sbp> aw, but is beink del iawn
12:20:35 <nslater> "/on/" isn't too bad
12:20:44 <Arnia> I prefer /essays/plankton with /essays/plankton-revisited for a second article on the stuff
12:20:48 <nslater> nslater.org/on/plankton
12:20:49 <sbp> or whateverz...
12:20:53 <sbp> what's very again...
12:20:53 <nsh> did i mention
12:20:55 <_bjoern> Clearly better than "eassy", nobody cares what form you chose surely.
12:21:11 <sbp> nsh: yeah, cocks, whatever
12:21:17 <sbp> URIs are art, mang
12:21:21 <nslater> totalz
12:21:23 <Arnia> nsh: cocks and snoopy
12:21:28 <laplink> /cocking/
12:21:30 <sbp> snoopys balls
12:21:31 <nsh> .gc cocks and snoopy porn
12:21:32 <phenny> cocks and snoopy porn: 94,100
12:21:32 * Arnia throws peanuts at nslater
12:21:42 * nslater namespaces them
12:22:02 <sbp> nsh: http://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=03202002
12:22:54 <nsh> but it was originally a question...
12:23:05 <nsh> snoopy's balls?
12:23:21 <sbp> Ultra Peanut just doesn't know punctuation?
12:23:27 <sbp> (that's the little lady's name)
12:23:29 <nsh> .gc "literacy is of clitorical impotance"
12:23:30 <phenny> "literacy is of clitorical impotance": 0
12:23:40 <nsh> .gc "literacy is of clitorical impotence"
12:23:41 <phenny> "literacy is of clitorical impotence": 1
12:23:49 <nsh> .g "literacy is of clitorical impotence"
12:23:50 <phenny> nsh: http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHebReKH82kE
12:24:02 <sbp> .gc clitorhetorical
12:24:02 <phenny> clitorhetorical: 0
12:24:07 <nsh> oOo
12:24:15 <nslater> I could always just use /embalmed/ for essays /tremble/ for photos and /flys/ for miscelanea etc
12:24:23 <sbp> ha
12:24:31 <nslater> I have seriously considered this option :)
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12:25:27 * nsh is falling in love with the LUL WUT pear
12:25:33 <nslater> hehe
12:25:58 <nsh> they seem so carefree and magical
12:26:06 <Arnia> Use Sanskrit
12:26:20 <Arnia> Or, for Unicode torture, Hieratic
12:26:25 <_bjoern> That's what I said.
12:27:06 <sbp> so once
12:27:09 <sbp> I was in a shop in London
12:27:24 <sbp> and I was getting two bottles of drink, for me and my girlfriend
12:27:27 <sbp> she was waiting outside
12:27:28 <war2> and then who windowshopped for you?
12:27:38 <nslater> o_O
12:27:47 <_bjoern> pix or didn't happen
12:27:54 <sbp> war2: hello who are you, IDENTIFY SELF
12:28:00 <nslater> war2: asl
12:28:02 <sbp> and welcome to Swhack, INTRUDER
12:28:05 <sbp> pix plz
12:28:06 <_bjoern> he is war's successor obviously
12:28:09 <sbp> anyway, so yeah
12:28:14 <nsh> WHAT DID YOU DO TO WAR1?!?!
12:28:15 <sbp> I was getting two bottles of coke
12:28:25 <sbp> and they were on one of those spring loaded things
12:28:25 <nslater> likely story
12:28:26 <_bjoern> no pix, no coke bottles.
12:28:35 <sbp> what I didn't realise is that you have to take them out one at a time
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12:28:47 <sbp> so I took two out, and the spring kicked in and drove all the others to the front too hard
12:28:57 <sbp> the front one teeetered on the edge for a bit and then fell to the floor
12:29:03 <sbp> and went: KAABOAZZOAAAAAAAM!
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12:29:07 <nsh> wtf
12:29:15 <sbp> it exploded so hard that it shot to *the other side of the store*
12:29:16 * nslater wonders where this is going
12:29:19 <sbp> leaving a trail of coke in its wake
12:29:25 <nsh> springloaded coke?
12:29:26 <sbp> it was possibly the best shop experience ever
12:29:32 <nsh> i wan buy!
12:29:41 <sbp> and they didn't make me pay for it either. great
12:30:08 <sbp> so yeah, only take one of those spring loaded drinks out at a time
12:30:10 <sbp> or BOOM
12:30:19 <sbp> (so actually, take two if you're feeling adventurous)
12:30:31 <war2> I was welcomed already, like ... yesterday. (WarPhoenix)
12:30:42 <sbp> war2: ô right. hellos again
12:30:48 <war2> hello :P
12:31:25 <nsh> EACH DAY IS A FRESH START ON PLANET SWHACK
12:31:26 <nslater> Arnia: you've sent me into a nomenclature uncertainty nightmare :/
12:31:47 <sbp> /nom/ and /pic/
12:32:01 <nslater> specifically about plural nouns and my hatred of them in my code
12:32:07 <sbp> words and photos sounds pretty good
12:32:15 <sbp> I use /photos/, of course
12:32:16 <nslater> I tend not to use abbreviations either
12:32:25 <sbp> for words I tend to have more focussed entities
12:32:58 <sbp> Arnia is way right about plurals
12:33:08 <sbp> avoiding plurals in code and URIs is quite weird, as far as I'm aware
12:33:18 <sbp> I mean, why not avoid them in language too at that rate?
12:33:26 <nslater> thats a logical falacy, apeal to commonality or something lol
12:33:54 <nsh> shut up
12:34:01 <sbp> YEAH YOU SAID IT
12:34:02 <nsh> sorry
12:34:03 <nslater> hehe
12:34:11 <nsh> i have typeurettes sometimes
12:34:16 <nslater> my usual talking doesnt revolve around naming things, my code does
12:34:20 <sbp> nsh cannot stand the plurinanity
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12:34:40 <nsh> is tru, saw it on nuws
12:34:43 <sbp> alright
12:34:46 <sbp> so what if you're a shepherd
12:34:53 <nslater> okay, when was the last time you declared a variable in regalar speech?
12:34:56 <sbp> and you want to put profiles of your flock up
12:35:00 <sbp> do you use /sheep/?
12:35:03 <nslater> yes
12:35:03 <sbp> because that's clearly a plural
12:35:11 <nslater> but it's also singular!
12:35:29 <sbp> we use variables all the time, don't we?
12:35:33 <sbp> there, I just used one
12:35:35 <nslater> no?
12:35:35 <sbp> and another!
12:35:41 <sbp> PRONOUNZ OMG
12:35:50 <nslater> yes, but they have already been named for us
12:36:00 <sbp> note how half of them are plural
12:36:07 <nslater> such as?
12:36:09 <sbp> we, they
12:36:19 <nslater> hmm
12:36:20 <sbp> for every singular there's a plural counterpart
12:36:25 <sbp> I and we
12:36:31 <sbp> you and you (it's like sheep)
12:36:42 <war2> sbp: what's the plural for single?
12:36:46 <nslater> in my code that would be person and person_collection :D
12:36:47 <sbp> him, her and they, them
12:36:57 <sbp> single is an adjective
12:37:07 <war2> "I am single."
12:37:13 <war2> hmm
12:37:14 <sbp> yes, that's an adjective
12:37:21 <sbp> adjectives do not have cardinality
12:37:32 <war2> okay. "I am a single."
12:37:35 <war2> how about that?
12:37:42 <sbp> you're a single what?
12:37:52 <nslater> full stop
12:37:53 <Arnia> If we're getting into referring expressions, then you have an arbitrary supply of them
12:37:58 <Arnia> The dog that went to the beach
12:38:00 <war2> sbp: single is also a noun.
12:38:03 <Arnia> The cats that ate the mat
12:38:09 <_bjoern> "I am an album."
12:38:12 <sbp> I don't recognise "I am a single" as a valid expression... I might give it a semi-valid if I'm being generous
12:38:13 <Arnia> The penguins which will rule the world
12:38:30 <sbp> the only nominal sense of single I can think of is in the case of whiskey
12:38:34 <Arnia> And also, any use of an article introduce a referent
12:38:39 <sbp> in which case I wouldn't mind asking the barman for two singles
12:38:40 <war2> sbp: http://www.yourdictionary.com/single
12:38:51 <war2> noun1. a single person or thing; specif.
12:39:05 <_bjoern> .w single
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12:39:20 <_bjoern> WHAT GODDAMN RENAME IS IT THIS TIME
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12:39:30 <sbp> ah, a hotel room. good example
12:39:31 <nsh> oopsnajes
12:39:38 <sbp> so you could ask for two singles, please
12:39:52 <war2> hmm
12:40:13 <sbp> also, a singles match in tennis is fine
12:40:16 <sbp> .gc "singles match"
12:40:17 <phenny> "singles match": 907,000
12:40:19 <sbp> see?
12:40:29 <war2> sbp: okay, how about "information" ?
12:40:38 <nsh> .ety apothegm
12:40:38 <Arnia> war2: mass noun
12:40:39 <war2> sbp: or "advice", or "furniture"
12:40:40 <phenny> "1553, from Gk. apophthegma 'terse, pointed saying,' lit. 'something clearly spoken,' from apophthengesthai 'to speak one's opinion plainly,' from apo- 'from' (see apo-) + phthengesthai 'to utter.' See aphorism for nuances of usage." - http://etymonline.com/?term=apothegm
12:40:45 <Arnia> All mass nouns
12:40:55 <sbp> yeah, what about them?
12:40:59 <nsh> APOPHTHENGESTHAI: greek was a stupid language
12:41:04 <sbp> I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, exactly
12:41:22 <sbp> if you want to demonstrate something, why not just describe what you're demonstrating? :-)
12:41:24 <_bjoern> "In September 2007, Sony BMG announced they will introduce a new type of CD single, called "ringles", for the 2007 holiday season. The format will include three songs by an artist, plus a ringtone that is accessible from the user's computer. Sony also announced plans to release 50 ringles in October and November, while Universal Music Group expects to release somewhere between 10 and 20 titles."
12:41:29 <war2> sbp: trying to prove? my curiosity. :)
12:41:32 <_bjoern> .wik Pringles
12:41:33 <phenny> "Pringles are a brand of potato snacks produced by Procter & Gamble." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pringles
12:41:33 <sbp> hehe
12:41:47 <sbp> fair enough. it seemed like you were pointing something out
12:41:51 <war2> nah
12:41:52 <nsh> .gs there's only music so that there's new *
12:41:53 <phenny> there's only music so that there's new *: ringtones (63), ring tones (4), ringtones cynical (2)
12:41:58 <sbp> yeah, they're all mass nouns so no plural inflection
12:42:05 <war2> okay.
12:42:07 <Arnia> No singular inflection either
12:42:11 <sbp> true
12:42:17 <war2> got it.
12:42:18 <nsh> .gs and it don't take no * to see that they're ain't no romance around here
12:42:19 <phenny> and it don't take no * to see that they're ain't no romance around here: No results!
12:42:30 <nsh> .gs and it don't take no * to see that there ain't no romance around here
12:42:31 <phenny> and it don't take no * to see that there ain't no romance around here: No results!
12:42:33 <nsh> bah
12:42:34 <_bjoern> "According to the Nielsen Company, in 2007 P&G spent more on U.S. advertising than any other company; the $2.62 billion it spent is almost twice as much as General Motors, the next company on the Nielsen list."
12:42:36 <Arnia> We could get onto dual inflection
12:42:51 <war2> .gc huhu
12:42:52 <sbp> dual inflection?
12:42:52 <phenny> huhu: 26,000,000
12:43:24 <Arnia> .wik dual number (linguistics)
12:43:25 <phenny> "In linguistics, grammatical number is a grammatical category of nouns, pronouns, and adjective and verb agreement that expresses count distinctions (such as 'one' or 'more than one').[1]|" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_number
12:43:47 <sbp> -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_(grammatical_number)
12:43:57 <sbp> ah, nice
12:44:15 <_bjoern> "Before the merger, Gillette had grown to become a leading global supplier of products under a variety of brands. In addition to Gillette, the company marketed under Braun, Duracell and Oral-B, among others."
12:44:22 <sbp> so if singular is atom and plural in English is atom+, then dual is atom{2}
12:44:28 <nslater> using plurals in a URI has no mapping on to regular naming schemes as far as I can think, for example "/prisoners/00054/" might look like a good URI but in real life would you name a prisoner "prisoners 00054" - likely not, the plural in there is an artifact of the construction of the site, namely that "/prisoners/" is a list of them
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12:44:56 <sbp> yeah, but a prisoner isn't a webpage
12:44:56 <Arnia> "In Slovene, strangely, the dual is used for most nouns, but not for nouns that come in natural pairs; the plural is used instead."
12:44:59 <Arnia> hah
12:45:00 <nslater> the more natual mapping would be "prisoner 00054"
12:45:24 <Arnia> nslater: but the slashes aren't spaces!
12:45:26 <nslater> sbp: thats unrelated, the web page is the "homepage" of the prisoner, the same naming logic still applies I think
12:45:30 <_bjoern> "Nearly identical to a Sensor in terms of technology, this razor has a much wider head, reducing control but also reducing the chance of cutting oneself, which is a much greater problem for women - who often cannot see what they are doing"
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12:45:43 <nslater> Arnia: they may as well be... URIs are opaque, so I can read them however I wish :p
12:45:43 <sbp> <McGoohan> I... am not a number!
12:45:53 <sbp> why does it still apply?
12:45:56 <Arnia> The URL /prisoners is a collecton
12:46:00 <Arnia> +i
12:46:01 <nslater> sure it is
12:46:05 <Arnia> So it is plural
12:46:07 <nsh> .wik East Hamilton
12:46:09 <phenny> "Barton Street is an arterial road in the Lower City of Hamilton, Ontario, Canada." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton_Street_(Hamilton,_Ontario)
12:46:11 <nslater> but /prisoners/00034/ is a singular object
12:46:16 <sbp> nslater: you can't chop, for example, the prisoner's shirt in half and get the list of all of the prisoners
12:46:20 <sbp> whereas you can to the URI
12:46:28 <nslater> yes, but thats an artifact of the WWW
12:46:35 <nslater> or an artifact of your site
12:46:40 <sbp> and it's on the WWW that we're naming!
12:46:40 <Arnia> Now the next path component is a subcollection of the original one
12:46:53 <nslater> sbp: not really, that it's on the WWW is orthogonal
12:46:58 <Arnia> It may only have one entity in but it is still a collection and so plural
12:47:04 <nslater> sbp: this could be ftp://prisoners/00034/
12:47:04 <sbp> um, not at all
12:47:10 <sbp> the definition of being on the web is having a uri
12:47:12 <sbp> that is still on the web
12:47:22 <nslater> I never limited it to the web, just URIs
12:47:32 <nslater> could be plankton://prisoners/00045
12:47:32 <sbp> URIs identify all of the things that are on the web
12:47:37 <nslater> um...
12:47:37 <sbp> yes, that is on the web
12:47:42 <nslater> no?
12:47:43 * Arnia directs nslater to read WebArch
12:47:48 * sbp likewise
12:47:55 <nslater> URIs do not have to represent things on the web
12:48:03 <_bjoern> No /prisoners/00045 sucks
12:48:04 <sbp> yes, by definition
12:48:07 <nslater> why?
12:48:15 <kpreid> if it has a URI, it's on the web?
12:48:21 <sbp> because that is how they've been defined in their specification
12:48:23 <sbp> yes
12:48:25 <kpreid> s/on/in/
12:48:27 <nslater> no it's not...!??!
12:48:33 <nslater> a URI can name ANYTHING
12:48:35 <_bjoern> Because if 00045 is a prisoner it's silly
12:48:42 <_bjoern> "Hello prisoners 00045!"???
12:49:20 <nslater> Arnia, sbp, URIs can name anything, that the http URI scheme is used for the web is a seperate issue, or am I horribly mistaken
12:50:10 * sbp wades through Webarch
12:50:10 <nsh> i think the pope is going to eat that bird: http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/373/popedovewideweb430x410af7.jpg
12:50:18 <nslater> at least, urns and xris and isbn schemes have nothing to do with the web
12:50:26 <nslater> they are perfectly valid uris, ftp:// is not on the web
12:50:32 <nslater> file:// is not the web... etc etc
12:50:47 <Arnia> Yes it is on the Web
12:50:55 <nslater> which one?
12:50:57 <nslater> why?
12:51:09 <Arnia> It isn't on the document web, and possibly not on the data web, but it *is* on the Web
12:51:16 <nslater> by Web you mean?
12:51:29 <nslater> the Web is a hypertext system, ftp is not hypertext, ftp is not hypertext
12:51:29 <nsh> wtf
12:51:47 <nslater> a xri or a urn or isbn is not hypertext, how can you say these things are on the web
12:51:47 <Arnia> The Web of resources (NIR and IR) which are able to be referenced using URIs
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12:52:19 <nslater> um...
12:52:33 <Arnia> nslater: they're not on the Document Web (which is all hypertext), but they're still things one can refer to with URIs which is the *defining* characteristic of the Web
12:52:39 <nslater> my understanding was that the Web is specifically a global hypertext
12:52:42 <nslater> system
12:52:52 <Arnia> No, that's the Document Web... Web 1.0 if you will.
12:52:56 <nslater> hmmm
12:53:00 <Arnia> Web 2 is the Data Web
12:53:05 <nslater> hmmmmmmmm
12:53:05 <sbp> I suppose the first sentence of Webarch will do: “The World Wide Web (WWW, or simply Web) is an information space in which the items of interest, referred to as resources, are identified by global identifiers called Uniform Resource Identifiers (URI).”
12:53:22 <kpreid> what the...?
12:53:30 <kpreid> ftp: can certainly be part of the web
12:53:37 <nslater> wtf
12:53:42 <sbp> can?
12:53:42 <kpreid> you can put a html document on a ftp server.
12:53:47 <sbp> is by definition
12:53:49 <nslater> this is MAJORLY different to my understand of what the Web meant
12:53:50 <kpreid> that'll work fine
12:53:59 <nslater> very specifically I understood Web to mean hypertext
12:54:03 <kpreid> it's just a different transport protocol
12:54:09 <kpreid> nslater: and I can serve hypertext over ftp
12:54:15 <nslater> kpreid: not really
12:54:25 <kpreid> hmm?
12:54:28 <sbp> you can also serve hypertext for urn:s
12:54:32 <nslater> kpreid: well, you can, but you cant server a hypertext system
12:54:35 <Arnia> The Web isn't HTTP. The Web is just an information space knitted together via URIs as a naming scheme
12:54:37 <nslater> ugh
12:54:41 <sbp> that is, you can resolve URNs by a URN resolution mechanism
12:54:45 <kpreid> nslater: I fail to see how it is not a hypertext system
12:54:50 <sbp> of which several have been proposed and implemented
12:54:58 <Arnia> nslater: Gopher is another example
12:55:00 <kpreid> it'll work just fine in a web browser. how is the protocol relevant?
12:55:01 <nslater> im getting deja vu
12:55:46 <Arnia> kpreid: I'd say the requirement that the documents be hypertext is a mischaracterisation, because then images wouldn't be Web resources
12:55:58 <Arnia> kpreid: for me, it comes down to URIs plain and simple
12:56:00 <kpreid> Arnia: I agree, they are merely leaves
12:56:19 <Arnia> Any URI, not just those served by HTTP
12:56:20 <kpreid> Arnia: I just wanted to give less marginal examples
12:56:23 <Arnia> k
12:56:24 <nslater> so, is the dereferencability of URIs important?
12:56:33 <sbp> nope
12:56:35 <Arnia> nslater: no
12:56:50 <nslater> so "i://love/plankton" is "on the web"?
12:57:05 <nslater> or "nslater:rocks" ?
12:57:06 <sbp> nope, because the i: URI scheme isn't registered, as far as I know
12:57:09 <sbp> nor that
12:57:22 <nslater> so, the URI scheme has to be registered for it to be on the Web?
12:57:29 <Arnia> nslater: it has to be a URI
12:57:37 <nslater> Arnia: those are both URIs?
12:57:39 <Arnia> And a URI is defined by the registered protocol parts
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12:57:44 <kpreid> well, that's more of good practice/global agreement than a necessity, IMO
12:57:56 <Arnia> kpreid: true, but it has to name something
12:57:59 * sbp checks at http://www.iana.org/assignments/uri-schemes.html
12:58:00 <nslater> why?
12:58:08 * Arnia thinks that the reference aspect is important
12:58:10 <nslater> so all those people that use "feed://my/rss/feed"
12:58:19 <nslater> are you saying that they dont have any rss on the web?
12:58:27 <Arnia> It doesn't have to be "dereferencable" but it should be referenceable
12:58:29 <sbp> it's specificationalised
12:58:35 <sbp> you can ignore specifications of course
12:58:50 <kpreid> (feed: is evil 'cause it's making a distinction in the wrong place, but that's not relevant here)
12:58:50 <nslater> sbp: see above example, if someone uses "feed://" I dont think that means that the resource is somehow "not on the web"
12:59:08 <sbp> but RFC 3986 specifically references RFC 2718 as the process to register URI schemes
12:59:08 <nslater> nah, my example holds, namely that you can break the spec and still be "on" the web
12:59:26 <sbp> well it becomes a colloquial definition of web, then
12:59:39 <sbp> which is harder to define formally, of course
13:00:04 <nslater> Roy Feilding describes the web as "a distributed hypermedia system" - is this wrong?
13:00:16 <nslater> does it say too much, too little?
13:00:23 <Arnia> nslater: no, and is fully compatible with what we're saying
13:00:39 <Arnia> It *is* a distributed hypermedia system, but that's just one part of it
13:00:43 <nslater> so, how is "isbn:45945457" counted as distributed hypermedia?
13:00:58 <sbp> isbn isn't in http://www.iana.org/assignments/uri-schemes.html
13:00:59 <Arnia> In the same way that I'm an academic, and a human, and a lover of Terry Gilliam's films
13:01:14 <Arnia> They're just aspects of my total character
13:01:35 <Arnia> Roy Fielding's statement is inaccurate as a total characterisation, but a good partial one.
13:01:45 <Arnia> Particularly for the HTTP parts of the Web
13:01:52 <sbp> it certainly captures the most widespread use
13:02:11 <Arnia> The Web as a concept is far broader, which is why the Web is such a powerful idea
13:02:20 <sbp> also you could easily pick holes
13:02:21 <nslater> well this has been quite a learning experience for me, I honestly thought that the Web was specifically the http:// subset of URIs
13:02:26 <sbp> a PNG or plain text file isn't hypermedia
13:02:31 <Arnia> If it were just hypertext over HTTP then it would be quite boring
13:02:44 <Arnia> sbp: it is part of a hypermedia system though
13:02:48 <sbp> exactly
13:02:52 <sbp> it's the media bit :-)
13:03:06 <Arnia> A PNG file having a URI
