00:00:08 <Arnia> (thanks to this odd thing called TV shops being required to tell them)
00:01:31 <Arnia> Channel Four has gone to the dogs I feel thanks to a more 'commercial emphasis'
00:01:43 <Arnia> BBC I still feel does lots of good and innovative programming
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00:02:14 <Arnia> Plus they have a very strong emphasis on encouraging new talent in all aspects of the media
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00:04:31 <Arnia> The licence fee is a lot, but the existence of the BBC is a good balance to the other, baser trends of lowest-common denominator media strategy. Until someone comes up with a better alternative, I'm going to continue to support the licence fee
00:05:03 <Arnia> (and in the end, if you don't like it you can just not have a TV and probably have a far more fulfilling existence :p)
00:05:22 <selggig> I don't pretend to understand it, it's foreign to mee, a fee to have a television
00:05:40 <Arnia> selggig: it works *shrugs*
00:05:50 <selggig> well good?
00:06:10 <Arnia> It is why the BBC is so much better to watch; no adverts, no commercial message, higher quality programming
00:06:14 <selggig> I don't live there, I can't argue against it
00:07:03 * Arnia hates watching ITV, Channel Four and Sky because of the incessant adverts and mediocre output
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00:08:11 <Arnia> selggig: lots of people from outside the UK do have an opinion on it though when I mention the BBC's funding arrangement
00:08:26 <Arnia> selggig: they tell be how abhorrent it is
00:08:29 <Arnia> s/be/me
00:08:57 <selggig> it totally goes against the grain, but like I said, I don't live there, I don't know how it is
00:09:09 <Arnia> Mind you, these are also people who are against a healthcare system which triages on the basis of medical need rather than financial liquidity.
00:09:25 <Arnia> (on moral grounds oddly, which I can't say I understand in the slightest)
00:13:50 <Arnia> I find it interesting how certain cultural assumptions can completely change what one considers to be ethical
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00:22:46 <selggig> true
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00:39:49 <Arnia> hah
00:39:49 <Monty> bah, it's cskaterun again
00:39:51 <Arnia> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/AxiomsHAF
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00:40:59 <Arnia> "Someone suggested (who?) that the invention of the bicycle made a great difference to average health in the Welsh valleys because it allowed greater intermarying and so increased the effective gene pool size"
00:41:07 <Arnia> — http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Fractal.html
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00:46:49 <Morbus> don't mind me, just testing a port.
00:46:58 <Morbus> bot_module_6: cats are furry.
00:46:58 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:46:59 <Morbus> cats?
00:47:00 <bot_module_6> cats are furry.
00:47:00 <Monty> Morbus: Okay.
00:47:09 <Morbus> ...
00:47:11 <Morbus> cats?
00:47:11 <bot_module_6> cats are furry.
00:47:27 <Morbus> no, bot_module_6, cats are not furry
00:47:27 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:47:27 <Monty> Usually
00:47:29 <Morbus> cats?
00:47:29 <bot_module_6> cats are not furry
00:47:38 <Morbus> bot_module_6: cats are also angry.
00:47:39 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:47:39 <Morbus> cats?
00:47:39 <bot_module_6> cats are not furry
00:47:48 <Morbus> bot_module_6: cats is also angry.
00:47:48 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:47:50 <Morbus> cats?
00:47:50 <bot_module_6> cats are not furry
00:47:56 <Morbus> hrm.
00:48:07 <Morbus> bot_module_6: drupal is powerful
00:48:07 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:48:11 <Morbus> bot_module_6: drupal is also awesome
00:48:11 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:48:14 <Morbus> drupal?
00:48:15 <bot_module_6> drupal is powerful
00:48:24 <Morbus> i didn't touch that code at all... why'd it break.
00:49:03 <Morbus> bot_module_6: a is b
00:49:03 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:49:06 <Morbus> bot_module_6: a is also c
00:49:07 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:49:07 <Morbus> a?
00:49:08 <bot_module_6> a is b
00:49:17 <Morbus> odd.
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00:52:48 <Morbus> bot_module_6: a is also c
00:52:48 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:53:33 <Morbus> ah! db error.
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00:54:18 <Morbus> bot_module_6: a is b
00:54:22 <Morbus> bot_module_6: a is also c
00:54:22 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:54:24 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:54:25 <Morbus> a?
00:54:26 <bot_module_6> a is b and is also c
00:54:28 <Morbus> thankee.
00:55:04 <Morbus> bot_module_6: ping is <reply>WHAT!
00:55:04 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:55:08 <Morbus> ping!
00:55:08 <bot_module_6> WHAT!
00:55:21 <Morbus> bot_module_6: cheer is <action>cheers for !who in !channel.
00:55:21 <bot_module_6> Morbus: Okay.
00:55:22 <Morbus> cheer!
00:55:23 * bot_module_6 cheers for Morbus in #swhack.
00:55:40 <Morbus> bot_module_6: forget ping
00:55:40 <bot_module_6> Morbus: I've forgotten about ping.
00:55:41 <Morbus> ping?
00:55:50 <Morbus> bot_module_6: help Factoids
00:55:50 <bot_module_6> Set factoids with "BOTNAME: cats are furry", "BOTNAME: Drupal is great.", "No, BOTNAME, Morbus is awesome.", "BOTNAME: Drupal is also powerful.", "BOTNAME: cheer is <action>cheers for !who in !channel!", or "BOTNAME: ping is <reply>WHAT?!". Retrieve factoids with: "Drupal?" or "BOTNAME: cheer!" Forget factoids with "BOTNAME: forget ping". Factoids can be browsed online at <http://feast-or-fa.mine.nu/drupal-6/index.php?q=bot/facto
00:56:06 <Morbus> hrm.
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00:56:48 <Morbus> stupid string cutoff.
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00:56:56 <Morbus> bot_module_6: help Factoids
00:56:59 <bot_module_6> Set factoids with "BOTNAME: cats are furry", "BOTNAME: Drupal is great.", "No, BOTNAME, Morbus is awesome.", "BOTNAME: Drupal is also powerful.", "BOTNAME: cheer is <action>cheers for !who in !channel!", or "BOTNAME: ping is <reply>WHAT?!". Retrieve factoids with: "Drupal?" or "BOTNAME: cheer!" Forget factoids with "BOTNAME: forget ping". Factoids are also online at <http://feast-or-fa.mine.nu/drupal-6/index.php?q=bot/factoid>.
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00:57:16 <Morbus> good.
00:57:22 <Morbus> done tests.
00:57:30 <Morbus> (i'm porting my bot.module from drupal 5 to drupal 6.)
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02:38:16 <zachb> Metashabangesqueness!!!
02:38:29 * zachb 's new favorite word
02:49:41 <saml> .gc armpitheatre
02:49:42 <phenny> armpitheatre: 28
02:49:49 <zachb> .gc Metashabangesqueness
02:49:50 <phenny> Metashabangesqueness: 0
02:50:04 <zachb> .gc porn with metashabangesqueness
02:50:04 <phenny> porn with metashabangesqueness: 0
02:50:21 <saml> .generate-new-domain
02:50:23 <zachb> .gc metashabangesque porn
02:50:24 <phenny> metashabangesque porn: 0
03:08:57 <zachb> nslater: aren't you nice :P
03:09:05 <zachb> ignore me...
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04:47:05 <xover> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/24/jared-diamond-on-ven.html
04:47:06 <phenny> xover: Jared Diamond on vengeance - Boing Boing
04:50:34 <xover> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/24/gary-wolf-profiles-s.html
04:50:34 <phenny> xover: Gary Wolf profiles SuperMemo creator in Wired - Boing Boing
04:52:26 <xover> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/24/accused-penis-thieve.html
04:52:28 <phenny> xover: Accused penis thieves captured - Boing Boing
04:53:48 <xover> .title http://www.dkgoodman.com/doita-f.html
04:53:54 <phenny> xover: They Do It With... - Chez Goodman
05:03:26 <xover> .title http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/04/fair-use-and-other-things.html
05:03:27 <phenny> xover: Neil Gaiman - Neil Gaiman's Journal: Fair Use and other things
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05:30:58 <xover> .title http://webkit.org/blog/181/css-masks/
05:30:59 <phenny> xover: Surfin’ Safari - Blog Archive » CSS Masks
05:31:04 <xover> Hmm.
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05:57:58 <xover> phenny: ask Morbus if Drupal has a traditional Web Board type module (not comments on news/blog posts; but a forum / board / thingy ala <http://orderedbytes.com/forum/>).
05:57:58 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when Morbus is around.
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06:31:37 <thelsdj> http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/24/untitled-1.html
06:33:23 <thelsdj> [[[
06:33:23 <thelsdj> #52 posted by Mark Frauenfelder Author Profile Page, April 24, 2008 3:03 PM
06:33:24 <thelsdj> OK, I guess I can't delete this now! :)
06:33:26 <thelsdj> ]]]
06:34:43 <thelsdj> #98 posted by mr.skeleton , April 24, 2008 4:12 PM
06:34:43 <thelsdj> I love good viral marketing, but I hate when I can't tell what the product is. Is this for the new Batman movie?
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06:36:16 <thelsdj> #132 posted by elchucko , April 24, 2008 5:39 PM
06:36:16 <thelsdj> I find this to be a very cromulent blog, which embiggins me.
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06:41:42 <thelsdj> #225 posted by Vorpaltongue , April 24, 2008 11:07 PM
06:41:43 <thelsdj> If you read every single comment in under two one minute and thirty seconds it leaves an after image in your head that allows you to view the original post as it was intended which is a simple but detailed explication of the meaning of life the universe and everything, no not not the book by Douglas Adams (though it does make several references to it), but the real meaning of life the universe and everything but if it takes you ...
06:41:49 <thelsdj> ... two minutes and thirty one seconds, hello.jpg will be permanently seared into your retina and that's the only thing you'll ever be able to see forever until you die.
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07:02:56 <_bjoern> unpossible! the online toy tracking thingy is unchanged now for 57 hours
07:07:09 <laplink> Sounds about right.
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07:09:48 <_bjoern> I should start killing the hostages then.
07:10:00 <_bjoern> Except those who want to die of course.
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07:25:36 <laplink> Ugh. Syslog parse/index/search product built entirely on Open Source (it includes all of Python 2.4, and jsunit, etc.); with “Enterprise” licensing starting at $5000 for 500MB of logs per day, increasing to $30.000 for 10GB/day.
07:26:32 <laplink> Best argument for GPL I've seen in a good long while.
07:29:18 <_bjoern> I'd like to sell those packages.
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07:40:59 <sbp> yo
07:40:59 <phenny> sbp: 24 Apr 21:36Z <MoiraA> tell sbp to remember the cat collars
07:41:28 <laplink> Yeah, mang. What happened to the cat collar_s_?
07:43:50 <sbp> heh, heh
07:43:56 <sbp> she said she didn't need any
07:45:07 <sbp> hmm at "Someone suggested (who?) that the invention of the bicycle made a great difference to average health in the Welsh valleys because it allowed greater intermarying and so increased the effective gene pool size"
07:45:41 <_bjoern> .title http://www.azfamily.com/news/homepagetopstory/stories/Tucson_local_news_042308_border-patrol-paintball.93c72b2d.html
07:45:41 <phenny> _bjoern: Border agents to use paintball guns to fend off attackers | LOCAL NEWS | Local Breaking News from AZFAMILY.COM & KTVK 3TV - Arizona's Family
07:47:00 <_bjoern> .title http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/04/24/close.call.ap/index.html
07:47:00 <phenny> _bjoern: Humans nearly wiped out 70,000 years ago, study says - CNN.com
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08:24:14 <cre8radix> heya
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08:25:52 <Monty> But what does leobard have to do with the price of fish?
08:25:53 <_bjoern> I'm taking bets, day and time, when DHL will deliver my packet to me
08:26:18 <_bjoern> It's been in state "Transport zur Zustellbasis" since "23.04.08 00:27"
08:26:43 <laplink> I'm going to go out on a limb and say it'll be before or shortly after noon today.
08:27:01 <laplink> I'll stake an Internet or two on it.
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08:27:08 <Monty> it's danieljohnlewis!
08:31:02 <_bjoern> Anyone else?
08:35:26 <_bjoern> I promise not to kill you when you pick something long before the actual delivery.
08:35:34 <_bjoern> At least not because of the bet...
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08:40:08 <nsh> .gc howbeit
08:40:08 <phenny> nsh: 24 Apr 17:17Z <sbp> tell nsh the Greeks knew it. the Carthaginians knew it. now YOU know it
08:40:09 <phenny> howbeit: 375,000
08:40:18 <nsh> .gs howbeit *
08:40:18 <phenny> howbeit *: this kind goeth (3), sisera (3), jesus spake (3), he meaneth (3), verie (2), some (2), protest solemnly (2), ourself foreseeing (2), in vain (2)
08:40:32 <nsh> .gs howbeit ourself foreseeing *
08:40:33 <phenny> howbeit ourself foreseeing *: casualty (4)
08:40:40 <nsh> .gs howbeit ourself foreseeing casualty *
08:40:41 <phenny> howbeit ourself foreseeing casualty *: nor willing (3)
08:40:46 <nsh> .gs howbeit ourself foreseeing casualty nor willing *
08:40:47 <phenny> howbeit ourself foreseeing casualty nor willing *: men (2)
08:40:50 <nsh> .gs howbeit ourself foreseeing casualty nor willing men *
08:40:52 <phenny> howbeit ourself foreseeing casualty nor willing men *: No results!
08:40:59 <nsh> ok
08:41:12 <nsh> phenny, tell sbp Springfield shall be ours
08:41:13 <phenny> nsh: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
08:41:38 <nsh> .gc orate
08:41:39 <phenny> orate: 517,000
08:41:45 <nsh> as a noun though?
08:41:55 <nsh> Whenever Planet X enters the conversation, one almost always encounters this automatic rejectionist orate, "If Planet X really did exist, our government would tell us about it."
08:42:01 <nsh> -some nutcase blog
08:42:18 <aspect> .w orate
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08:44:48 <Monty> it's shepazu!
08:46:14 <nsh> .w is the no moar
08:46:25 <laplink> .w summonsed
08:46:32 <laplink> .gd summonsed
08:46:33 <phenny> summonsed: No definition found!
08:46:40 <laplink> .ety summonsed
08:46:40 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "summonsed". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=summonsed
08:46:45 <laplink> .gc summonsed
08:46:46 <phenny> summonsed: 74,300
08:46:51 <laplink> .rate summonsed
08:46:56 <phenny> "summonsed": 82.25% (9,870 rocks; 17,600 rules; 2,550 sucks; 3,380 blows)
08:47:21 <laplink> .title http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/04/24/apples_jobs_summonsed_over_latest_backdating_charges.html
08:47:22 <phenny> laplink: AppleInsider | Apple's Jobs summonsed over latest backdating charges
08:47:42 <nsh> man, that's a badly worded headline
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08:50:25 <laplink> Strangely, the MacWorld article they use as a source, and link to in the piece, uses “summoned.”
08:51:00 <nsh> summon is the verb that was nouned to make summons, which was then verbed to make summonsed
08:51:16 <laplink> Ah, but it goes on to say “The Boston Retirement Board issued summonses against Jobs …”
08:51:27 <nsh> summonses sounds stupid though
08:51:30 <nsh> i would not write that
08:51:57 <nsh> too schmegal
08:52:07 <laplink> I think it may actually be (marginally) valid useage. I just… I'd never be able to write that with a straight face.
08:52:15 * nsh nods
08:52:21 <nsh> some things just aren't cool
08:52:28 <nsh> i was trying to explain this to someone the other day
08:52:59 <_bjoern> W00TTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG
08:53:03 <nsh> they were all "but a football team is a singular entity, so i can say 'manchester united is at the top of the league'..."
08:53:20 <laplink> _bjoern: When can I expect my Internets?
08:53:22 <_bjoern> "Die Sendung wurde in der Zustellbasis bearbeitet. - 25.04.08 07:53 - Transport zum Empfänger"
08:53:23 <nsh> you can say all kinds of things, mate, but that doesn't stop them from being Not Cool
08:53:32 <_bjoern> Well they have not arrived yet
08:54:02 <_bjoern> look, only 3 1/2 hours delay updating the online tracking status
08:54:34 *** nsh changed the topic to: "Swhack: Perturber of netinnocence."
08:55:37 <laplink> itym …netcontinence; hth, hand
08:56:01 <laplink> .gc "assraped by the Internet"
08:56:01 <phenny> "assraped by the Internet": 0
08:56:08 <laplink> .gc assraped by the *
08:56:08 <phenny> assraped by the *: 125,000
08:56:21 <laplink> .gs * by the Internet
08:56:22 <phenny> * by the Internet: telemicroscopy, pwned, flummoxed)
08:56:30 <laplink> Uhm.
08:56:42 <laplink> .gc "by the internet"
08:56:43 <phenny> "by the internet": 746,000
08:56:52 <laplink> Really?
08:57:04 <laplink> That's… surprising.
08:57:05 <nsh> mm#
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09:01:44 <nsh> The powers of stupid are growing stronger each day
09:07:48 <sbp> :-)
09:09:30 <_bjoern> .gs the internet is *
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09:09:32 <_bjoern> .gs the internet has *
09:09:33 <phenny> the internet is *: terrorist threat (4), shit (3), maddening (3), changing (3), bad bad bad (3), « (2), useless (2), undermining (2), thwarting (2), the (2), serious (2)
09:09:34 <Monty> potty mouth!
09:09:34 <_bjoern> .gs the internet can *
09:09:36 <phenny> the internet has *: crashed (7), revolutionized (5), changed everything (4), become (4), exploded (3), wrought wonders (2), spurred (2), spawned (2), revolutionised (2)
09:09:38 <phenny> the internet can *: provide (4), facilitate (4), solve (3), pose (3), offer (3), be accessed (3), revolutionize (2), heighten (2), foster (2), dramatically (2), do (2)
09:11:10 <nsh> .gs the internet is undermining *
09:11:12 <phenny> the internet is undermining *: the traditional (2), the media with (2)
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09:34:10 <_bjoern> so it's past noon, no delivery man in sight yet...
09:34:13 <nsh> wtf
09:34:22 <nsh> The supreme justices of the united states are morons
09:34:23 <sbp> wait, it didn't come yesterday?
09:34:36 <nsh> i mean, i knew this on some level, i guess, but actual morons
09:34:40 <_bjoern> No, see the logs from shortly ago.
09:34:57 <nsh> "Justice Clarence Thomas, another member of the high court's conservative wing who also has been disdainful of reporters, was profiled in a similar "60 Minutes" piece before the October 1 publication of his autobiography, "My Grandfather's Son.""
09:35:08 <_bjoern> In particular:
09:35:15 <_bjoern> "Die Sendung wurde in der Zustellbasis bearbeitet. - 25.04.08 07:53 - Transport zum Empfänger"
09:35:25 <sbp> I thought it came yesterday because a) you said about the chances of it arriving whilst you showered, which I took as meaning that had actually happened; and b) you were discussing specific configuration options and config tools from the website, which I thought you could only derive from the documentation that accompanied the device
09:35:48 <_bjoern> I asked about the odds, and got "about even" as answer
09:36:02 <_bjoern> From testing today I would say the odds are less than even
09:36:15 <sbp> yeah, I thought you'd placed a bet with the universe and now wanted to know how much money it owed you
09:36:23 <_bjoern> Of course I was checking them in preparation and out of boredom.
09:36:39 <sbp> phenny: "Die Sendung wurde in der Zustellbasis bearbeitet. - 25.04.08 07:53 - Transport zum Empfänger"?
09:36:43 <phenny> sbp: "the transmission was worked on in the setting basis. - 25.04.08 07:53 - transport to the receiver" (de)
09:36:48 <_bjoern> xover placed a bet on it arriving around noon today.
09:37:11 <sbp> I'll say it'll come tomorrow
09:37:25 <_bjoern> there now
09:38:03 <sbp> what odds will you give me for tomorrow?
09:38:09 <sbp> tomorrow morning, specifically
09:41:46 <_bjoern> I meant the delivery man above
09:42:17 <_bjoern> unpacking now
09:44:47 <nsh> .gs crypto-*
09:44:47 <phenny> crypto-*: lofiadm (7), modules (6), lofi (4), gram (4), sporidium (3), judaism (3), porticus (2), jews (2), coccal (2), anarchism (2)
09:45:34 <_bjoern> use stick with port
09:45:39 <_bjoern> use antenna with stick
09:45:43 <_bjoern> use cd in dvd drive
09:46:01 <_bjoern> go to Z:
09:47:08 <_bjoern> launch autorun.exe
09:47:24 <_bjoern> launch driver installation
09:47:41 <_bjoern> scream at error "The process could not be started..."
09:47:50 <_bjoern> continue breakfast
09:48:51 <_bjoern> google for error message
09:49:00 <_bjoern> scream at no results
09:49:40 <_bjoern> launch driver installation in WinXP compatibility mode
09:49:58 <_bjoern> "Please install HotFix first!"
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09:51:31 <Arnia> "wow, if you make any of these new css extensions standard I don’t know what cool new web services it will lead to… maybe it’ll be the start of web 3.0" — inane comment, http://webkit.org/blog/181/css-masks/#comment-24400
09:53:12 <laplink> 12:08 doesn't count as “around noon”?
09:53:26 <_bjoern> it does!
09:53:36 <laplink> So where are my Internets?
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09:55:16 <_bjoern> I need you to deposit some transport insurance money on my paypal account so I can get them out of this country.
09:55:30 <laplink> Sure. How much do you need?
09:56:09 <laplink> And I'll need you Paypal account name and password to make the deposit of course.
09:57:56 <_bjoern> Please accept transmission over rot13 encryption:
09:57:58 <_bjoern> Hfre serrcbea@sbeserrcrbcyr.rh Cnffjbeq: 1JnagFrkJvguUvkvr
09:59:11 <_bjoern> I need $21 500 000.01 (that's TWENTY ONE MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND U.S. AND ONE CENT)
09:59:22 <_bjoern> that should be like 10 NOK
10:01:34 <sbp> ehheh. _bjoern did it for teh luls
10:01:43 <nsh> oooo
10:01:44 <sbp> 'e's always doin' it for teh luls
10:01:49 <nsh> .gc "martian law"
10:01:50 <phenny> "martian law": 5,570
10:01:57 <sbp> ooh, and it came!
10:02:00 <sbp> sweet
10:02:10 * nsh imagines the presiprimeministerdent declaring martian law
10:02:27 <sbp> choxelles
10:02:54 <sbp> that would be an especially bad faux pas if he declared it because of the landing of aliens
10:03:12 <sbp> “Aliens have landed, and therefore I declare America to be in a state of martian law.”
10:03:37 <sbp> the aliens would be like “woah. that was easy. these earthlings are stupider than we thought”
10:04:05 <cre8radix> sbp: ;P
10:04:40 <nsh> hehe
10:05:31 <sbp> .gcs shitrude choxelles
10:05:31 <phenny> shitrude (164), choxelles (17)
10:05:36 <sbp> .gc tafting
10:05:36 <phenny> tafting: 11,600
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10:11:00 <nsh> .gc shitrude -inurl:swhack
10:11:00 <phenny> shitrude -inurl:swhack: 15
10:11:39 <nsh> wtf
10:11:48 <nsh> who came up with the pictures on shitrude.com ?
10:12:37 <_bjoern> any open source goodness for dvb-t watching on win32?
10:12:45 <nsh> eerily haunting kirigami silhuette bear..
10:12:54 <_bjoern> I recall most of them
10:13:29 <_bjoern> the typewriter is from an actual typewrite with a webcam and an online form
10:13:36 <_bjoern> you can submit what should occur there next
10:13:52 <_bjoern> the one on the left is from some german artist I think, check the logs
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10:18:05 <sbp> .title http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/04/24/1455202.shtml
10:18:05 <phenny> sbp: Slashdot | Microsoft Suggests Carving Up HTML 5
10:18:10 <sbp> (WC3?)
10:18:24 <_bjoern> Winner casts 3.
10:18:32 <_bjoern> Fire spells, for example, I suppose.
10:18:34 <sbp> nsh: yeah, we did. it's thelsdj's site, so he has ultimate control
10:19:37 <sbp> oh man, this is great:
10:19:39 <sbp> .title http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/080423-bug-communication.html
10:19:39 <phenny> sbp: Bugs Use Plants as Telephones | LiveScience
10:19:51 <sbp> bugs underground communicate with bugs above ground by sending chemical messages through plants
10:20:11 <sbp> they're calling it the “biophone”
10:20:14 <sbp> .gc biophone
10:20:15 <phenny> biophone: 8,250
10:20:52 <sbp> .title http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/23/congo_panic/
10:20:52 <phenny> sbp: Congo lynch mobs attack penis-snatching sorcerers | The Register
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10:22:48 <sbp> .gc temblor
10:22:48 <phenny> temblor: 1,260,000
10:22:53 <sbp> .dict temblor
10:22:53 <phenny> temblor - noun 1. earth tremor
10:23:24 <sbp> URI says it all: http://www.theweirdpost.com/wordpress/2008/04/man-arrested-after-pumping-gas-into-imaginary-car/
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10:25:31 <_bjoern> the slashdot layout has become less sucky somehow
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10:28:23 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/7354178.stm
10:28:25 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Wales | North West Wales | Collector finds own 1959 postcard
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10:50:50 <Morbus> phenny, tell xover yes, it's forum.module. part of core. see drupal.org for an example. also, contrib modules like "advanced forum" for more.
10:50:50 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
10:50:53 <phenny> Morbus: 06:29Z <xover> ask Morbus if Drupal has a traditional Web Board type module (not comments on news/blog posts; but a forum / board / thingy ala <http://orderedbytes.com/forum/>).
10:51:37 <Morbus> duck tales, wooOOoO
10:51:41 * Morbus remembers the theme song.
10:52:20 <sbp> d-d-d-danger, look behind you
10:52:30 <sbp> there's a stranger, out to find you!
10:52:38 <sbp> so come on now and something to those Duck Tales
10:52:44 <sbp> a whoOOooooOo!
10:53:04 <_bjoern> Glad I have the german original and not the english dubbing where everyone has strange names and voices!
10:53:27 <laplink> Morbus: By “drupal.org„ you mean <http://drupal.org/forum>?
10:54:08 * nslater wibbles
10:54:40 <Morbus> yes.
10:55:16 <Morbus> naturally, everything is themable. i've had success making it look like phpbb, for example.
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10:56:21 <laplink> Right. I just wasn't sure /forum was actually implemented in Drupal itself (as opposed to, say, phpbb stuck on the same server).
10:58:09 * Morbus shivers.
10:58:41 <sbp> yeah, that's so not the drupal way
10:58:45 <Arnia> Wow, I'm even having academic discussions on Facebook now with researchers I haven't spoken to for months
10:58:54 <sbp> heh
10:58:55 * Arnia is still really excited about the new chat feature
11:01:41 <nsh> why?
11:01:59 <nsh> [excited about a chat feature, that is]
11:02:55 <Arnia> nsh: because I've spoken to lots of old friends I haven't seen for months or years
11:03:33 <Arnia> nsh: I don't like sending email-like messages because I never feel my life is interesting enough to warrant it, but short chat messages feel different
11:04:21 <Arnia> And it is lovely to speak to people like that again
11:04:37 <nsh> oh ok
11:05:06 <nsh> i thought there might be something exciting about it other than its intristic real-time short message relaying capabilities
11:05:46 <Arnia> That's exciting enough... think about how amazing it really is to be able to talk with people the other side of the world
11:05:57 * nsh worries that Arnia is cracking up sometimes
11:06:08 * Arnia still gets excited about the fact the Web exists
11:06:39 <nsh> i do, except my excitement tastes of disappointment and jaded bitterness at the disgusting lack of imagination in humanity
11:06:56 <nsh> but, you stay positive mang. it's a good balancer
11:08:22 <laplink> Yeah. We need a gullible idi^W^Woptimistic visionary to make up for our sins.
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11:12:52 <Morbus> how can i tell if my ISP has suddenly blocked port 25?
11:15:14 <laplink> dig w3.org mx && telnet $1 smtp
11:15:34 <Morbus> that would just tell me of a conenction error.
11:15:38 <Morbus> not necessarily that it was being blocked.
11:15:49 <Morbus> (i've already done that ;)
11:16:00 <laplink> You can't, reliably.
11:16:30 <laplink> And it's usually a pain to get your OS to tell you about the ICMP message that a blocking firewall may or may not deign to send.
11:17:46 <laplink> But if you try 3-5 different public mail exchangers for big domains like w3.org and aol.com etc., and none of them are reachable; it's a good bet your ISP is blocking outbound SMTP.
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11:32:41 <Monty> nslater: You asked me to remind you to search youtube for Jonathan Meades
11:32:59 <nsh> Monty, stop reminding nslater of things
11:33:02 <Monty> so I WANT TOYS I rather than we thoughtâ?
11:33:18 <sbp> toy wanter
11:33:32 <nslater> Monty: remind me in 60 hours to search youtube for jonathan meades
11:33:33 <Monty> nslater: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Mon Apr 28 01:06:50 BST 2008
11:33:44 <nslater> Monty: remind me in 72 hours to search youtube for jonathan meades
11:33:45 <Monty> nslater: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Mon Apr 28 13:07:02 BST 2008
11:33:47 <nslater> better
11:34:30 <sbp> you off-keeper-putter
11:34:36 <nslater> byte me
11:34:39 <sbp> hehe
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11:35:05 <sbp> %
11:35:09 <sbp> there you go
11:35:23 <nslater> thx
11:37:17 <sbp> nslater: possible title: Νεφελοκοκκυγία
11:37:51 <sbp> I wrote a huge essay for it this morning, possibly the biggest I've written for any of my projects
11:37:57 <sbp> about a cool dream I had
11:38:04 <sbp> also wanting to write one about the ety-thesaurus
11:38:09 <sbp> but that's proving harder to start
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11:38:21 <nslater> what does that title mean?
11:39:05 <nslater> also, less writing _about_ the ety-thesaurus and more writing it :p
11:39:09 <sbp> cloud-cuckoo-land
11:39:19 <sbp> well part of the writing about would contain a fragment of the actual it
11:40:56 <nslater> ooh, I have a question I've been pondering all morning, perhaps you could weigh in...
11:42:35 <nslater> I'm wanting to store "blog entries" (or anything date based, like Whits) on the local file system in such a way that the date (and possibly) time is encoded into the file path, but I can't figure out the cleanest way to do it. Ideally I would like it down to the day of the month with the posibility to do time as a secondary objective.
11:43:16 <nslater> you know, just ignore me
11:44:15 <nslater> clearly, you could do /2008/04/28/blah, but I would like to serve this files up with Apache so that it looks like /2008/04/blah and I cant seem to figour out if it's still possible
11:44:34 <sbp> for personal notes I use note.a.YYYYMMDD-HHMMSS
11:44:57 <sbp> oh, HHMM
11:44:58 <sbp> id=$(next $(cat $notes/pointer))
11:44:58 <sbp> filename=note.$id.$(date -u +%Y%m%d-%H%M)
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11:45:35 <nslater> what is notes/pointer?
11:45:48 <sbp> a file with the next "number" in it
11:45:54 <nslater> okay...
11:45:56 <nslater> the
11:45:58 <nslater> oops
11:45:59 <sbp> I use base 26, with a-z as the characters
11:46:17 <sbp> so like, it goes a, b, c, ..., z, aa, ab, ..., az, ba, bb, et seq.
11:46:19 <nslater> the real problem I think I am facing is how to encode dates in an Apache semi-transparent way
11:46:26 <realist> Is Monty a phenny bot?
11:46:27 <Monty> GOTTA GET EM ALL
11:46:29 <sbp> nope
11:46:31 <nslater> realist: no, Java
11:46:40 <nslater> realist: checkout jibble.org (?) for details
11:46:53 <sbp> it's easy with mod_rewrite
11:46:55 <sbp> very easy
11:47:18 <nslater> say i want year and month to be visible, does that mean the rest should be shoved as a file extension?
11:47:27 <realist> Are there any bot engines available, with the transport protocol abstracted away?
11:47:39 <nslater> I could use blah.DD-HHMMSS.txt and MultiViews *might* Just Work
11:47:43 <sbp> no, you could rewrite /YYYY/name to /YYYY/MM/DD/name I mean
11:47:55 <nslater> how would I fill in the DD?
11:47:57 <realist> I'm looking for something like 'expect', I suppose
11:48:11 <nslater> realist: how is expect related to IRC?
11:48:20 <nslater> realist: phenny is pretty good for genericness imo
11:48:50 <Morbus> anyone know how to set qmail to listen to two ports?
11:49:02 <sbp> nslater: actually, you're right, not trivial
11:49:02 <realist> So I could plug phenny on top of twisted, for example?
11:49:11 <sbp> but still possible. you could use a mapping script
11:49:17 <nslater> sbp: hehe, and the reason for my current headache :)
11:49:28 <sbp> nslater: well just do:
11:49:32 <Morbus> it sucks *balls* that i have to setup *two* qmail servcices, it looks like.
11:49:34 <Morbus> http://www.skorpionweb.org/archives/2005/09/running_qmail_s.php
11:49:37 <nslater> realist: no idea about twisted, sry
11:49:53 <sbp> RewriteRule ^([0-9]{4})/[a-z]+$ script.cgi [L]
11:50:00 <sbp> nslater: then have script.cgi do the heavy lifting
11:50:12 <sbp> i.e. get REQUEST_URI, then search for the file it's after
11:50:16 <sbp> and serve it back
11:50:26 <realist> nslater: it's a python framework
11:50:38 <nslater> realist: oh I know that :) but I have managed to avoid it so far :)
11:50:48 <realist> nslater: ditto :-)
11:51:00 <nslater> sbp: using CGI, hmm, I'm really trying to keep this as simple as possible, but I guess that would work
11:51:18 <nslater> sbp: would the CGI serve up the content or would there be a way to invoke an APR internal subrequest :/
11:51:26 <sbp> that probably *is* as simple as possible
11:51:28 <sbp> APR?
11:51:34 <nslater> apache portable runtime
11:51:36 <realist> I want to write a bot generic enough, to chat on a variety of protocols
11:51:39 <nslater> lets you hook into apache's internals
11:51:59 <nslater> sbp: so I could use the cgi as a kindof advance rewrite thing
11:52:02 <sbp> er. well I always just make the CGI serve it
11:52:15 <nslater> sbp: BINGO! the penny drops... you can instruct mod_rewrite to hook into external scripts!
11:52:36 <nslater> ideally I want to stay WELL away from serving content
11:52:48 <nslater> but bah, that's still an Apache specific thing, and I want this to be portable
11:52:56 <sbp> well, not always. once I did a RewriteMap
11:53:11 <nslater> .g rewrite map apache 2
11:53:12 <phenny> nslater: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html
11:53:51 <nslater> yes, a rewritemap could work too
11:54:07 <sbp> but a question
11:54:12 <nslater> i wonder if there are similar things for nginx etc
11:54:13 <nslater> sure
11:54:18 <sbp> if /YYYY/name is unambiguous, why not use that for the file path too?
11:55:18 <nslater> aha, good question, because I want to be able to reliably build a "latest" page (with assocated Atom feed) and this requires being able to know a greater resolution in datetime
11:55:34 <nslater> and I want this so you can store the files in subversion and check them out and the generation script still works
11:55:38 <nslater> so I cant rely on mtime
11:55:51 <sbp> I don't understand that answer, but m'kay
11:55:55 <nslater> um
11:56:21 <nslater> say you have a directory of notes/essays or what have you, I want to be able to run a script that collects them together and builds a top level "latest stuff" page
11:56:35 <sbp> oh, and svn is fucking you up. gotcha
11:56:39 <nslater> no
11:56:48 <nslater> ... that requires being able to sort them by date but if you have 6 files inside /2008/04/ how do you know which comes first and which comes last?
11:56:57 <sbp> you use the mtime
11:57:23 <nslater> but I dont want to rely on mtime because I would like to be able to check the files out of version control or similar
11:57:32 <sbp> yes, and hence: svn is fucking you up
11:57:45 <nslater> well, s/svn/ANY_VCS/
11:57:58 <sbp> Mercurial doesn't screw with my mtimes
11:58:10 <sbp> neither does svn necessarily have to do so
11:58:16 <sbp> I installed a branch which preserved the mtimes
11:58:52 <nslater> well, it's a self imposed requirement, I have looked at PyBloxom (or whatever) and all the crap about making sure you dont fuck with the mtimes seems incredibly counter intuitive and I want to avoid all that nonsense
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11:59:16 <sbp> for one system, I used to have the files arranged like this:
11:59:18 <sbp> Title
11:59:22 <sbp> YYYY-MM-etc.
11:59:23 <sbp>
11:59:24 <sbp> Body
11:59:31 <nslater> yeah, I remember reading your notes
11:59:35 <sbp> heh
11:59:43 <nslater> but this has to be encoded into the file system
11:59:48 <sbp> actually, I think miscoranda still uses that
11:59:52 <nslater> I know I'm being akward, but hey ho :)
12:00:10 <sbp> well I'm using dates in files with the n script quoted above, note
12:00:12 <nslater> I want this to be as SIMPLE as possible for the user, even if that means _I_ have to jump through some hoops
12:00:13 <sbp> so I'm heading that way too
12:00:23 <sbp> because I can't trust programs like svn to not be ridiculous
12:00:35 <sbp> plus, you're right, if you update the file...
12:00:50 <sbp> filesystems should store a file's full metadata, in my opinion: all the times it was changed
12:00:55 <nslater> there are literally infinite reasons why you might accidentally trash the mtime
12:01:02 <sbp> ctime should be the creation time, and mtime should be the most recent modification
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12:01:08 <Monty> Thank goodness, nwalsh is back!
12:01:22 <sbp> but filesystems don't implement ctime/mtime straightforwardly...
12:01:37 <sbp> and then there's my camera's annoying software
12:01:38 <nslater> oooh, I just got a UPS package that im not expecting
12:01:40 <nslater> probably a bomb
12:01:51 <sbp> it always sets the mtimes to the time of transfer, not the time I took the picture
12:01:57 <sbp> at least it's preserved in the EXIF, but ugh
12:02:01 <sbp> package: neato
12:02:15 * nslater is home today waiting for the gas man, weird coincidence
12:02:31 <sbp> maybe it *is* the gas man, inside the package
12:02:35 <sbp> that's how he gets places
12:02:45 <nslater> that would be pretty earth shattering for me
12:03:09 <nslater> okay, three badges saying happy birthday and two squashy packages
12:03:16 <nslater> (its not my birthday)
12:03:37 <sbp> happy faux-birthday
12:04:00 <nslater> hahaha, there is a card and it reads: "Thank you for your impressive contributions to CouchDB - Damien"
12:04:08 <sbp> ehheh
12:04:14 * nslater opens the packages
12:04:16 <sbp> so it will be mailbombs
12:04:19 <nslater> lol
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12:05:13 <nslater> bwahahaha
12:05:27 <nslater> radcakes, I am now the proud owner of two official CouchDB tshirts!!
12:07:01 <sbp> hehe. cool
12:07:18 <nslater> so anyway, thanks for your input w/r rewritemap/cgi, I have lots more pondering to do :)
12:07:29 <sbp> yw
12:08:18 * nslater goes off to look at the nginx documentation
12:09:04 <nslater> lol, it's all in russian :)
12:09:28 <nslater> oooh, but an english wiki :p
12:16:52 <realist> sbp: I notice you've chosen a license for phenny
12:17:00 <realist> nslater: have you filed an ITP yet?
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12:17:42 <sbp> Eiffel Forum License 2 for the win!
12:19:18 <nslater> realist: phenny is in testing already :)
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12:20:56 <nslater> realist: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/phenny
12:21:55 <realist> oops, I was searching etch :-)
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12:22:21 <nslater> yeah, about 6 months before it hit's stable :)
12:22:27 <realist> ~$ apt-cache search phenny
12:22:29 <realist> phenny - extensible IRC bot written in Python
12:22:33 <nslater> win
12:22:43 <sbp> funny. I was reading the news today about a strange new type of computing, and was quite interested by it, so I looked up the people involved, and their supervisor is the secondary marker of the paper that I just submitted
12:22:50 <sbp> and, what's more, I'll actually be meeting him next week
12:22:59 <nslater> heh, wow
12:23:02 <sbp> so I should pencil in asking him about this research!
12:23:27 <nslater> zomg: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/plum
12:23:31 <plum> you should totally hit the beach house with us this year, eventually she caves in and asks him.
12:23:50 <nslater> plum is an IRC bot program, what are the chances of that
12:23:53 <plum> did you get a plum to remove that failing unit test? omg irc srs bizniz.
12:24:00 <nslater> bwahaha
12:24:07 <sbp> “Note that its documents are only available in Japanese.”
12:24:37 <realist> nslater: I was just reading about that.
12:24:49 <sbp> heh: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/phenny?lang=uk
12:24:53 <sbp> not *fully* i18nised...
12:25:06 <nslater> hehe
12:25:13 <realist> sbp: I love it when things fall into place like that. (coincidences)
12:25:23 <sbp> yeah, dang good stuff
12:25:34 <nslater> I feel upset that there is some japanese bot trying to steal plum's name >:@
12:25:37 <plum> yes, but replacing the -s, feel free to come buy me a beer. haha
12:25:44 <sbp> or you're trying to steal its name
12:25:49 <nslater> pfffft
12:26:01 <nslater> I have a perfectly valid etymology thankyouverymuch
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12:26:32 <nslater> fail website is fail: http://www.mauvesoft.co.uk/plum/
12:26:32 <sbp> I question the validity of all your etymologies
12:26:34 <plum> depends what the website does, you fail at life then.
12:26:45 <zachb> YOU QUESTION PLUM!?
12:26:54 <plum> did anyone answer my question because its so or because i have been written off as some reactionary nutjob? why the question is to find a stand-perhaps longer version of the question is to find a stand-perhaps longer version of the question mark.
12:26:59 <sbp> ô dear, another java bot
12:27:07 <sbp> zachb: no, I question nslater. pay attention dude
12:27:20 <nslater> hmm
12:27:26 <nslater> ZOMG, this is ANOTHER plum bot
12:27:30 <plum> i never thought irc bots could be so ammusing, i think the bots is up to something.
12:27:32 <sbp> yeah
12:27:36 <realist> sbp: I wrote it off earlier because it's implemented in java
12:27:42 <sbp> I could tell because its documentation is written in English
12:27:44 <nslater> how many frikin IRC bots are called plum, hits is an OUTRAGE
12:27:48 <plum> hit your big pause lock button, so the irc bot thing is actually worse than that analogy would anyway.
12:28:03 * nslater is outraged
12:28:56 <zachb> sbp: I know, I was interrupting
12:29:03 <nslater> I wonder if there is a similar distribution of IRC bots called orange and pear etc, or if not, what's so attractive about the name plum
12:29:05 <sbp> well don't
12:29:05 <plum> whats the name of ams, now that's what i call work.
12:29:18 <sbp> nslater: probably the same thing that attracted you to it
12:29:24 <zachb> heh
12:29:47 <nslater> what, that they all like chobits and upon finding that on freenode the name sumomo was registered they settled for the direct english translation? yeah, doubt it
12:30:05 <sbp> well, it's plausible
12:30:21 <sbp> Ladbrokes won't give you better than evens
12:30:37 <nslater> maybe is should write to this guy and ask him about it
12:31:18 <sbp> use your words to extract information from him, yeah
12:31:51 * zachb pictures a scapel made out of words
12:31:53 <nslater> hehe, sent
12:36:05 <zachb> .title http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/commas_turning_up?utm_source=onion_rss_daily
12:36:05 <phenny> zachb: Commas, Turning Up, Everywhere | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
12:36:13 <zachb> I just love the title
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12:49:45 <realist> sbp: why aren't the google modules included in the phenny distrib?
12:57:39 * zachb shoots realist
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13:05:34 <xover> Words?
13:05:34 <phenny> xover: 11:22Z <Morbus> tell xover yes, it's forum.module. part of core. see drupal.org for an example. also, contrib modules like "advanced forum" for more.
13:06:22 <xover> For tasks involving “extraction,” words would not be my weapon of choice.
13:06:43 <xover> .gs use your * to extract
13:06:43 <phenny> use your * to extract: code (3), tweezers (2), tool's api (2), software (2), pocket pc (2), own scripts (2), nails (2), magnet (2), household vacuum (2), handgun (2)
13:07:34 <xover> Tweezers, nails, magnets, household vacuum, and handguns all fit the bill nicely; and code would certainly be appropriate for certain missions.
13:08:00 <xover> Words, however, are rarely effective.
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13:13:24 <sbp> realist: um, they are. modules/search.py
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13:28:23 <realist> sbp: what functionality is missing then?
13:29:53 * nsh examines SinDoc closely
13:31:45 <xover> Nice ass.
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13:32:16 <nsh> not enough documentation of sins though
13:32:29 <nsh> i want the real dirty of the nasty by the sneaky
13:32:32 <nsh> *on the
13:33:37 <nsh> .wik gila monster
13:34:15 <nsh> phenny, RESPONDEZ S'IL VOUS PLAIS
13:35:26 <SinDoc> nsh: répondez ;)
13:35:26 <_bjoern> nu
13:35:57 <phenny> "The Gila Monster (pronounced /ˈhiːlə/, HEE-la), Heloderma suspectum, is a species of venomous lizard native to the southwestern United States and northern Mexico." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gila_monster
13:35:58 <nsh> "Including human beings. Cro-Magnons (who were fully human) were approx. 6 foot tall. This is larger than modern Americans and the populations in most other developed nations, and about as large the modern Dutch; who got that big only in the last 50 years or so - mainly from ingesting large amounts of pedophilia."
13:35:58 <Monty> Ah, but thanks to setup *two* qmail servcices, it came!
13:36:01 <nsh> -Mefi
13:36:29 <nsh> SinDoc, the day i conform the spelling of the french language...
13:37:53 <nsh> .wik Pangolin
13:37:55 <phenny> "Pangolins (pronounced /ˈpæŋgəlɪn/) or scaly anteaters are mammals in the order Pholidota." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin
13:38:29 <nsh> man, there's a lot of animals i've yet to eat
13:38:36 <nsh> sometimes i lose faith
13:38:46 <sbp> .ety swarthy
13:38:48 <phenny> "1581, unexplained alteration of swarty (1572), from swart." - http://etymonline.com/?term=swarthy
13:38:52 <sbp> .ety swarty
13:38:53 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "swarty". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=swarty
13:38:55 <sbp> .ety swart
13:38:56 <phenny> "O.E. sweart 'black,' from P.Gmc. *swartaz (cf. O.Fris., M.Du. swart, O.N. svartr, Ger. schwarz, Goth. swarts 'dark-colored, black'), from PIE base *swordo- 'dirty, dark, black' (source of sordid)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=swart
13:39:09 <sbp> ooh. swarthy and sordid are cognates
13:39:38 <nsh> oOo
13:39:44 <sbp> nsh: “mainly from ingesting large amounts of pedophilia” - eh?!
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13:43:52 <jsled> .title http://hradzka.livejournal.com/194753.html?format=light
13:43:59 <phenny> jsled: hradzka: books to make my flist's heads explode: John Ringo
13:44:11 <nsh> sbp nevar been to teh netherlands?
13:44:18 <sbp> nopes
13:44:25 <sbp> but now I understand
13:44:32 <nsh> is beyewtiful plays
13:46:00 <nsh> the windmills grow among the tulips, and great flat fields of wilderbicycelen roaming freely
13:47:04 <nsh> twice a year, in a certain undisclosed location, the is the great biannual canal congregation
13:48:12 <nsh> lmawesomeoff
13:48:42 <sbp> :-)
13:49:48 <sbp> hmm, /stuff/etch/ might be a good place to put them
13:49:54 <sbp> I don't really want to use /t/ or /toons/
13:50:16 <nsh> nslater might tip a dumptruck of fail over you
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13:51:07 <zachb> Hehe, that's awesome
13:52:49 <zachb> are these yours?
13:52:55 <sbp> yeah
13:53:01 <sbp> it's off because that's not a persistent URI
13:53:03 <sbp> nothing under /dev/ is
13:53:17 <sbp> it means I'm currently considering what the final URI ought to be
13:53:20 <sbp> and suggestions are most welcome
13:53:24 <zachb> ahh, wow...
13:54:06 <zachb> /coon -- CartOON?
13:54:10 <zachb> yay pun ;D
13:55:05 <zachb> Mr. Squeek ;p
13:57:56 <sbp> hmm?
13:58:01 <sbp> his name is Mister Cheesecrumb
13:58:04 <sbp> he'll have you know
13:58:38 <sbp> unless you were referring to the mouse in How A Mouse Works
13:58:48 <sbp> he doesn't have a name. Mr. Squeek would do, I suppose
13:58:58 <sbp> but then, what do you call the *inner* mouse?
13:59:07 <zachb> Mr. Meta-Squeek?
13:59:15 <zachb> or would it be Meta-Mr. Squeek
13:59:30 <zachb> Meta's placement around compound nouns is tricky
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14:04:15 <ragsagar> noone
14:04:20 <sbp> WHAT
14:04:24 <sbp> HELLO RAGSAGAR
14:04:25 <sbp> WHO ARE YOU
14:04:31 <sbp> WHAT IS YOU DOING IN SWHACK PLEASE
14:04:32 <sbp> ASL?
14:04:33 <ragsagar> sbp
14:04:37 <sbp> RAGSAGAR
14:04:39 <ragsagar> are u a bot?
14:04:42 <sbp> THIS IS A PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL
14:04:45 <sbp> NO R U A BOT
14:04:51 <sbp> NO SHOUTING IN THIS CHANNEL IS ALLOWED
14:04:52 <ragsagar> no iam a human :D
14:04:59 <ragsagar> i dint sout
14:05:09 <sbp> oh okay
14:05:11 <ragsagar> why are u using block letters
14:05:15 <sbp> please state your purpose
14:05:26 <ragsagar> pls tell one
14:05:29 <nsh> *POINTS TO CLOCK* IS LOUD-HOUR, K
14:05:29 <nsh> PLEASE TO BE TALKING IN THE TALL LETTERS UNTIL NEXT HOUR
14:05:32 <ragsagar> why this cahnnel is so silent
14:05:46 <sbp> state your purpose first
14:05:51 <nsh> IS NORMAL SILENT
14:05:54 <sbp> this is a secret channel
14:05:58 <nsh> BECAUSE WE USE ALL OUR LOUD IN LOUD HOUR
14:06:01 <ragsagar> Iam here to discuss and gain knowledge
14:06:13 <sbp> knowledge on which subject(s), please
14:06:19 <ragsagar> secret channel ?? :o
14:06:28 <ragsagar> :P
14:06:35 <ragsagar> i dont think so?
14:06:46 <ragsagar> they y it is published in web
14:07:02 <sbp> we know about cardboard animals, quacking objects, minestrone soups, animals that sound like penguins but which have yet to be tasted, big apples that subsume entire new fruits, words that end with -iffy, and combinations of tempura and jive
14:07:03 <xover> Secret web?
14:07:15 <ragsagar> sbp
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14:07:18 <sbp> ragsagar: secret pertains to the mode +s
14:07:19 <ragsagar> ur bot is phenny?
14:07:27 <sbp> yes
14:07:35 <ragsagar> Its really nice
14:07:41 <sbp> hehe. thanks
14:07:51 <ragsagar> its googling and wikipedia searching facilities are really nice
14:08:00 <ragsagar> but some command are not working
14:08:00 <sbp> yeah, the wikipedia stuff works surprisingly well
14:08:03 <sbp> ah. which ones?
14:08:07 <ragsagar> .rate
14:08:11 <ragsagar> tell
14:08:15 <phenny> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'replace' (file "/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/tools.py", line 20, in new)
14:08:24 <sbp> really? rate works like this:
14:08:25 <sbp> .rate love
14:08:32 <phenny> "love": 63.16% (602,000 rocks; 177,000 rules; 424,000 sucks; 30,300 blows)
14:08:35 <ragsagar> nice
14:08:39 <ragsagar> i will try now
14:08:40 <sbp> possibly it's not included in the main distribution
14:08:43 <sbp> tell is included though
14:08:45 <sbp> tell works like this:
14:08:51 <sbp> phenny: tell ragsagar hello!
14:08:52 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when ragsagar is around.
14:09:18 <ragsagar> so i have to add phenny b4?
14:09:18 <phenny> ragsagar: 14:40Z <sbp> tell ragsagar hello!
14:09:23 <sbp> yep
14:09:28 <ragsagar> sorry man it was my prob not its!
14:09:39 <sbp> awesome, no worries
14:09:59 <sbp> did you get the site distribution, or are you using the debian package, by the way?
14:10:34 <ragsagar> did get u!
14:10:44 <ragsagar> iam using its python source
14:10:50 <sbp> aha
14:10:56 <ragsagar> it has debian package also? great
14:11:05 <sbp> yup, since about two months ago
14:11:23 <sbp> thanks to Noah Slater
14:11:58 <ragsagar> you had done a great job
14:12:04 <ragsagar> palmer
14:12:08 <sbp> thanks
14:12:27 * nsh choxelles
14:12:37 <sbp> you can call me Mr. P if you like
14:12:44 <ragsagar> ok MR .P
14:12:46 <nsh> Good work, Palmer. You'll make detective in no time as this rate.
14:12:50 <ragsagar> sorry Mr.P
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14:12:57 <sbp> hello sam_albuquerque
14:13:00 <sbp> welcome to Swhack
14:13:04 <xover> NEW PEOPLE!
14:13:07 <sbp> this is a publically logged but private channel
14:13:08 <zachb> Yes, welcome
14:13:12 <xover> KILL THEM QUICKLY!
14:13:14 <sbp> sam_albuquerque: please state your purpose
14:13:15 <nsh> <Palmer> Thanks Lieutenant. I do the best a rookie can.
14:13:17 <sam_albuquerque> hellp bot :p
14:13:18 <sbp> looking for phenny help?
14:13:21 <xover> I MEAN… HIDE!
14:13:23 <sbp> I AM NOT A BOT DICKWAD
14:13:23 <zachb> I guess so!
14:13:33 <nsh> dickwad bot would be cool
14:13:36 <sbp> just a fast typist
14:13:40 <zachb> Mm... I concur
14:14:01 <sbp> that's two people in a row who thought I was a bot
14:14:07 <sbp> people's bot detection skillz are really bad
14:14:08 <ragsagar> :D
14:14:12 <sbp> Turing was wrong about his test, you know
14:14:32 <sam_albuquerque> uh oh
14:14:35 <sam_albuquerque> sorry :p
14:14:40 <zachb> You should be
14:14:47 <sbp> yeah, no problem. seriously mang, what are you here for?
14:14:59 <sam_albuquerque> i was invited by ragsagar
14:15:01 <xover> Does it involve… bridles?
14:15:03 <sbp> oh. heh
14:15:07 <sbp> he should have told you I'm not a bot
14:15:10 <ragsagar> oops
14:15:18 <sam_albuquerque> he told me later :D
14:15:31 <sbp> pfft
14:15:31 <sbp> heh
14:15:40 <ragsagar> but ididnt tell him tat u r a bot :D
14:16:04 <ragsagar> i just told him that owner that iam talking with the owner of that bot
14:16:47 <ragsagar> everybody gone?
14:16:51 <sbp> yep
14:16:58 <ragsagar> wat happened?
14:17:20 <sbp> well I decided to listen to In The Evening a bit more focussedly
14:17:21 <sam_albuquerque> brb
14:17:26 <sbp> I don't know what everybody else's problem is
14:17:44 <zachb> I died
14:18:10 <sbp> again? sheesh
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14:18:54 <sbp> “One innovation is the distinction of the origin of words into chromatic, acoustic, morphological and kinetic categories.” — http://www.nhbs.com/a_thesaurus_of_bird_names_etymology_of_european_tefno_119589.html
14:18:55 <Monty> www.phonetrace.org -- that's proving harder to mobile2.0 europe on win32?
14:18:56 <sbp> .title
14:18:58 <phenny> sbp: NHBS - A Thesaurus of Bird Names: Etymology of European Lexis Through Paradigms - Michel Desfayes
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14:20:49 <nsh> did i mention that the powers of stupid are strong? :-/
14:21:02 <sbp> aw, my library doesn't have this
14:21:11 <sbp> nsh: which powers of stupid in particular?
14:23:13 <nsh> those that power rule zero of internet discussion
14:23:30 <nsh> It is not necessary to have any knowledge of a subject to argue about it.
14:23:44 <nsh> (was reading slashdot, but seems to apply everywhere)
14:23:48 <sbp> hehe
14:23:55 <sbp> seems to apply most specially to slashdot though, yeah
14:24:39 * nsh nods
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14:26:37 <sbp> .dict leam
14:26:43 <sbp> .ety gleam
14:26:49 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no definition found.
14:26:53 <phenny> "O.E. glæm 'brightness, splendor, radiance,' from P.Gmc. *glaimiz (cf. M.H.G. glim 'spark,' gleime 'glowworm;' O.N. glija 'to shine, glitter'), from root *glim-, from PIE *ghlei- 'to shine, glitter, glow, be warm.' Verb is c.1225, from the noun." - http://etymonline.com/?term=gleam
14:29:20 <sbp> “The letter Q may have derived from the pictogram representing the vulva”
14:29:22 <sbp> - http://michel-desfayes.org/malefemalesymbols.html
14:29:47 <sbp> .ety realm
14:29:48 <phenny> "c.1290, from O.Fr. reaume, probably from roiaume 'kingdom,' altered (by influence of L. regalis 'regal') from Gallo-Romance *regiminem, accusative form of L. regimen 'system of government, rule' (see regimen)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=realm
14:29:54 <sbp> .ety domain
14:29:55 <phenny> "c.1425, in Scottish dialect, from M.Fr. domaine, from O.Fr. demaine 'lord's estate,' from L. dominium 'property, dominion,' from dominus 'lord, master, owner,' from domus 'house' (see domestic)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=domain
14:30:03 <zachb> Hm... I wonder if that has to do w/ the etymology of interrogative pornouns in romance languages
14:30:13 <zachb> *pronouns
14:30:19 <sbp> eh?
14:30:24 <zachb> ...Wow... I think I made a pun...
14:30:32 * nsh grimaces
14:30:41 <zachb> ...on several levels
14:30:54 <nsh> try making sense
14:30:56 <nsh> on one
14:31:05 <nsh> :-)
14:31:06 <sbp> hehe
14:31:20 <zachb> All the romance languages seem to start many of their interrogative pornouns w/ Q
14:31:27 <ragsagar> y this channel is so secret?
14:31:44 <ragsagar> sbp: iam inspired from ur bot and started studying python
14:31:51 <sbp> ragsagar: because otherwise we get a load of titweasels coming in and it overwhelms our tenacity
14:31:54 <sbp> ooh, great
14:32:07 <sbp> python's a fairly neato language. worth learning a few others too of course, if you can
14:32:16 <ragsagar> i am hoping that you will help me in its way
14:32:22 <ragsagar> is there is a need
14:32:37 <sbp> note that there's also a dedicated channel for python questions
14:32:43 <sbp> I think it's ##python
14:32:47 <sbp> or possibly #python
14:32:52 <nslater> NO LOLS
14:32:55 <sbp> they can be a bit unforgiving sometimes though
14:33:05 <zachb> Heh
14:33:06 <sbp> (cf. titweasels)
14:33:27 * nslater wonders how many more people are going to end up here when phenny hits Ubuntu :)
14:33:34 <zachb> I wouldn't learn python based off phenny... it's a bit... advanced...
14:33:44 <sbp> ooh, ubuntu
14:33:52 <zachb> most of it utilizes stuff that you'll barely ever use...
14:34:00 <zachb> yeah, I upgraded last night
14:34:05 <nslater> zachb: shup fo'
14:34:07 <nsh> what
14:34:08 <zachb> ;p
14:34:15 <nsh> phenny's going to hit ubuntu?
14:34:23 <nslater> yes, with a badger
14:34:35 <sbp> .gc margiowlet
14:34:36 <phenny> margiowlet: 32
14:34:36 <nsh> in some kinda of ircbot-tan os-tan manga battle?
14:34:45 <zachb> I'm surprised, except for the kernel, I hot-upgraded... I haven't rebooted, and I'm technically in the new version
14:34:56 <sbp> oh man, it's in Notes & Queries
14:35:00 <sbp> should've known
14:35:03 <nslater> zachb: good luck rebooting
14:35:06 <zachb> Heh
14:35:20 <nslater> do you know when the next but from Debian sid will be?
14:35:21 <zachb> I might have to leave it on for 6 months...
14:35:25 * nslater is searching the wiki
14:35:40 <zachb> nope... soon though, right?
14:35:40 <ragsagar> any one installed hardy?
14:35:51 <zachb> I'm in it now
14:35:57 <zachb> I upgraded though
14:36:31 <nslater> June 26th is the Debian Import Freeze
14:36:49 <nslater> so, two months and phenny will be in Ubuntu :)
14:37:19 <nslater> and she's not even hit Debian stable yet
14:37:53 * nsh frowns
14:38:03 <nslater> why the long face nsh?
14:38:06 <zachb> Hehe
14:38:14 <nsh> why you pimping phenny on the dirty streets of popular distropia?
14:38:27 <nsh> phenny is a delicate and ladylike bot
14:38:29 <nslater> because that's the natural progression for good software, sry
14:38:30 <zachb> XDXD
14:38:39 <nslater> anything which does not kill us...
14:38:42 <zachb> nsh said something funny :P
14:38:49 <sbp> he's always saying funny
14:38:55 <nslater> concured
14:38:58 <zachb> Yush
14:39:05 <nslater> concurred
14:39:07 <nslater> concurrred
14:39:13 <sbp> conquered
14:39:14 <zachb> concurrrrrred
14:39:28 <nslater> .swhack nsh amusing
14:40:00 <zachb> Argh, I suck
14:40:04 <phenny> nslater: Sorry, no results found.
14:40:08 <nsh> or whatever his name was
14:40:09 <nslater> .swhack nsh ammusing
14:40:11 <zachb> Heh
14:40:23 <zachb> That joke made me look drunk...
14:40:27 <zachb> heh
14:40:35 <nslater> sounds kinkeh
14:40:51 <zachb> We are going into Ubuntu...
14:40:57 <sbp> .wik Nim Chimpsky
14:41:04 <nsh> .gc quorum porn
14:41:04 <phenny> nslater: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-20#T14-51-54
14:41:09 <phenny> "Nim Chimpsky (November 19, 1973 – March 10, 2000) was a chimpanzee who was the subject of an extended study of animal language acquisition (codenamed 6.001) at Columbia University, led by Herbert S. Terrace." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nim_Chimpsky
14:41:09 <phenny> quorum porn: 63,400
14:41:26 <nslater> one result, fail
14:42:05 <zachb> .gc quorum porn lakie
14:42:07 <nslater> .swhack even his quit messages
14:42:07 <phenny> quorum porn lakie: 12
14:42:19 <nslater> I hate it when things get lost in the logs... :(
14:42:23 <zachb> I WIN :D
14:42:28 <nslater> google doesnt index fast enough
14:42:32 <phenny> nslater: Sorry, no results found.
14:42:34 <zachb> heh
14:42:49 <zachb> why is phenny saying random stuff?
14:42:50 * nsh contemplates a homeward finagling
14:42:58 <sbp> [[[
14:42:59 <sbp> One day, Rumbaugh used the computer to say to Kanzi, "Can you make the dog bite the snake?" It is believed Kanzi had never heard this sentence before. In answering the question, Kanzi searched among the objects present until he found a toy dog and a toy snake, put the snake in the dog's mouth, and used his thumb and finger to close the dog's mouth over the snake.
14:43:04 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape_language
14:43:07 <nsh> cos she don't wan work da street homes
14:43:53 <jsled> which, of course, demonstrates ape failure, because the utterance wasn't "make the dog bite the snake".
14:44:02 <jsled> APE FAIL
14:44:04 <nsh> well
14:44:10 <nsh> depends on the inflection guy
14:44:21 <zachb> Wow...
14:44:28 <nsh> INFLECTION-GUY, TO THE RESCUE??
14:45:04 <zachb> SENTENCES THAT ARE LOUD AND GO UP IN THE END?
14:45:21 *** nsh has quit ("Wake me up when an ape language gets sophisticated enough that its impeachably contempable")
14:45:30 <jsled> heh
14:45:53 <sbp> what about GWB?
14:46:00 <zachb> Hm... I wonder if you could type out the melody by putting "..." and "?" inbetween the words.
14:46:10 <sbp> eh?
14:46:12 <zachb> ... makes it go down, ? makes it go up
14:46:29 <sbp> well it would be somewhat lossy!
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14:46:39 <zachb> somewhat?
14:46:45 <zachb> But think of the compression!!!
14:46:54 <sbp> somewhat was a niceism for very
14:47:03 <zachb> Oh! !'s can change tempo
14:47:11 <sbp> you wouldn't even be able to encode Chinese properly with it
14:47:47 <zachb> Mary... had... a... little? lamb? little... lamb... little!? lamb!?
14:48:03 * sbp winces
14:48:23 <sbp> I have been thinking about a way to transcribe bird sounds
14:48:29 <zachb> ...and then we can teach it to apes!
14:48:30 <sbp> current methods are very lacking
14:48:34 <zachb> Heh, I bet
14:50:10 <ragsagar> zachb: howz hardy?
14:50:28 <zachb> ragsagar: it iz gewd
14:50:31 <ragsagar> nice
14:50:40 <zachb> idkmybffgill
14:50:41 <ragsagar> i have to wait till 4 or 5 week
14:50:51 <ragsagar> to get the cd delivered to my home
14:50:55 <zachb> y
14:50:56 <zachb> o
14:51:23 <ragsagar> i have only very little download limit
14:51:40 <zachb> sux2bu!
14:52:54 <nslater> sbp: I think I have my solution, provide a convenient way to embed the date in the documents and only include those documents with dates in the "recent stuff" page - which is essentially the same solution you went with... where are your notes again?
14:53:08 <zachb> nslater: er... timestamp?
14:53:09 <sbp> idksry
14:53:18 <zachb> are we talking about his site?
14:53:20 <nslater> okay...
14:53:29 <nslater> zachb: shush, missed context, cba explaining :)
14:53:31 <sbp> perhaps azimuth uses it
14:54:06 <sbp> hmm. date = datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(os.path.getmtime(fn))
14:54:11 <sbp> so nope
14:54:21 <sbp> don't think I have anything online explaining the system I used
14:54:23 <nslater> /proj/?
14:54:33 <sbp> though basically I told you it. date on second line of file, done
14:54:54 <nslater> yeah, was going to look what other metadata you were including
14:54:55 <sbp> don't think it's in there, no
14:55:05 <sbp> Title / Date / (blank line) / Body
14:55:10 <nslater> I read something on inamidst about a brittle site build