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00:32:28 <MorbusIff> .
00:32:39 <Arnia> ,
00:34:12 <MorbusIff> testing out the bot log port for drupal 6 ;)
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00:35:33 <Arnia> Ah
00:42:53 <jroes> sbp: I see the phenny mercurial repo data in http://inamidst.com/list/phenny/, but is there a url I can actually pass to 'hg clone' that will actually allow me to clone the repo? :)
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00:48:22 <Monty> hey bot_module_6
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01:12:24 <kpreid> "... is pretty much the application of firearms to school of cooper-mediated fish."
01:14:23 <Arnia> Sherry or whiskey?
01:14:57 <kpreid> They didn't say
01:15:32 <Arnia> oh well
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01:48:41 <Monty> howdy, jin_
01:52:21 <jin_> stupid bot
01:52:25 <jin_> Monty: status
01:52:28 <Monty> Nintendo has been in person of smil animation plugin?
01:52:32 <jin_> heh
01:52:38 <jin_> Monty: nope
01:52:39 <Monty> newtcracker?
01:52:53 <jin_> nawt naught not, but not newt
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02:18:13 <Arnia> "You see Ted Turner and a strange bug at the closing bell there"
02:18:36 <Arnia> – BBC News 24
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02:29:20 <zachb> I've been thinking of trying to use a system of communication where extreme-chatspeak would be considered a pidgin to English...
02:29:40 <zachb> upijoo?
02:31:05 * Arnia nukes zachb
02:31:21 * zachb thinks the microwave is too small
02:31:35 <zachb> .gc nuke porn
02:31:36 <phenny> nuke porn: 425,000
02:31:39 <Arnia> I'd reply in my non-linear causality language, but unfortunately unicode doesn't cope well with non-linear writing systems
02:32:53 <zachb> I once realized how square society was, and how our writing reflected that... then I made triangle-writing
02:33:00 <zachb> you wrote in a spiraling-triangle
02:33:02 <Arnia> …
02:33:12 * Arnia hits zachb non-axiomatically
02:33:32 <Arnia> http://code.google.com/soc/2008/squeak/appinfo.html?csaid=789FAFD5676B5F2F
02:33:37 <Arnia> May be of interest
02:34:00 <zachb> "NARS theory exists. A book has been published recently"
02:34:40 <zachb> Heh, I'm mentioned! Anyway, what's so great about smalltalk/squeak
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02:34:48 <Arnia> It is an accepted SoC project
02:35:01 <Arnia> (and plenty is great about Smalltalk)
02:35:08 <zachb> But for this application?
02:35:11 <zachb> doesn't seem right...
02:35:15 <Arnia> Why not?
02:35:33 <zachb> anyway, I really wish I was eligible for GSoC
02:35:36 <Arnia> You can write a reasoner in any system you like
02:35:50 <zachb> And I agree
02:35:52 <Arnia> I'm contemplating a C port for example to run on embedded systems
02:36:27 <zachb> I'd like to see it stuck on a Chumby
02:36:33 <zachb> that could get interesting...
02:36:38 <zachb> then again, Chumby can run Java
02:36:50 <Arnia> Chumby?
02:36:55 <zachb> .com
02:37:00 <zachb> .title www.chumby.com
02:37:00 <phenny> zachb: chumby › internet radio player, digital picture frame, alarm clock - more!
02:37:04 <zachb> .wik chumby
02:37:04 <phenny> "The Chumby is an embedded computer consumer product (made by a company of the same name) intended to provide user-friendly Internet and LAN access via a wireless Wi-Fi connection." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chumby
02:38:19 <Arnia> Ah
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02:38:32 <zachb> Nice little toy. I got one back in the beta stage to do some development... I ended up playing w/ the linux more than the Flash, got NanoX and a few apps running
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02:39:01 <Arnia> loggy, pointer
02:39:01 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-26#T02-39-01
02:41:27 <zachb> Anyway, I'm going... busy morning tomorrow... 'night!
02:41:33 <Arnia> http://www.seaside.st/
02:42:15 <zachb> Woah, they want it to be some webapp? or am I overlooking something
02:42:29 <zachb> oh, no, wait, it was sqeak
02:42:35 <zachb> too many s's
02:42:40 <zachb> oh well, 'night for real
02:43:00 <Arnia> They want to use the port in Seaside
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02:47:35 <Arnia> Hm. Seaside is interesting actually. I fully support this port. I think it will be a valuable addition
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02:53:07 <ragsagar> hm
02:53:44 <ragsagar> what was the challenge?
02:55:28 <ragsagar> no one?
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02:56:22 <ragsagar> sbp
02:56:27 <ragsagar> Mr.P
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07:02:35 <sbp> phenny: tell jroes hg clone static-http://inamidst.com/phenny/
07:02:36 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when jroes is around.
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07:15:48 <sbp> ‘A webcam set up to stream live pictures of the imminent birth of a baby zebra has been destroyed - by the over-active tongue of a neighbouring giraffe. [...] Owner Anthony Bush said: "I do apologise for Gerald, but he couldn't believe his luck. He saw this amazing webcam fruit within licking distance."’ — http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7367257.stm
07:17:24 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7361159.stm
07:17:25 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Elvis's secret UK visit revealed
07:17:37 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7361164.stm
07:17:38 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Scotland | Glasgow, Lanarkshire and West | Elvis visit claims 'all shook up'
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07:20:42 <sbp> phenny: tell _bjoern http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7368058.stm (Making 'Allo 'Allo! into Guten Tag)
07:20:43 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when _bjoern is around.
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07:39:55 <nslater> morning sbp
07:47:24 <sbp> eh what nslater tally ho pip pip isn't it!
07:49:22 <nslater> o_O
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07:50:59 <sbp> .c 1 - (1 / phi)
07:50:59 <phenny> 1 - (1 / the golden ratio) = 0.381966011
07:51:05 <sbp> .c 1 / phi
07:51:05 <phenny> 1 / the golden ratio = 0.618033989
07:51:33 <nslater> sbp: give me some cool music to buy on iTunes :)
07:51:41 <sbp> nslater: a song, or an album?
07:51:46 <nslater> anything really
07:51:58 <_bjoern> There is nothing cool about buying music on iTunes?
07:51:59 <phenny> _bjoern: 07:52Z <sbp> tell _bjoern http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7368058.stm (Making 'Allo 'Allo! into Guten Tag)
07:52:12 <sbp> nslater: what kind of stuff do you like? gimme a few genres/pointers
07:52:21 <sbp> and I'll try to match approximately
07:52:23 <nslater> anything decent :)
07:52:29 <sbp> okie dokie, hang on then
07:52:34 <sbp> your order is being processed
07:54:17 <nslater> this morning I'm in the mood for 60's type music, I've been downloading bacharach, aretha franklin and music from the thomas crown afair
07:54:33 * nslater sings along to windmills in your mind
07:58:05 <sbp> nslater: alrighty, I'd say go for Liege and Lief, by Fairport Convention, if you want to listen to something relatively new (presumably) but accessible. it's a whole album though... at least you can listen to the snippets to see if you think you'll like it
07:58:21 <nslater> okies, lets try this out
07:58:47 <nslater> should i go for the remastered or delux edition(!)
07:59:10 * nslater looks at the deluxe
07:59:12 <sbp> bloody 'ell, hang on
07:59:30 <nslater> it's more expensive so I figure it'll be better
08:00:11 <sbp> Deluxe
08:00:20 <sbp> its version of Sir Patrick Spens is clearly superior
08:00:25 <nslater> okay, this is cool, purchased
08:00:38 <nslater> I'm also in the mood for some blues, and recomendations?
08:00:40 <sbp> in fact, I don't have the extras from the Deluxe, so I think I'll buy 'em too!
08:00:50 <sbp> blues... er... well I have a semi-blues that will BLOW YOUR MIND
08:00:55 <sbp> Rumble, by Link Wray
08:01:02 <sbp> it has to be heard to be believed
08:01:25 <nslater> it's a track not an album, right
08:02:11 <nslater> okay, found a 6:11 version and purchased
08:02:46 <nslater> was hoping for an album really, saw some very impressive live blues the other night and realised that I don't really have much outside of the kind
08:02:49 <nslater> *g
08:04:06 <sbp> a 6:11 version?!
08:04:10 <nslater> totalz
08:04:27 <sbp> ugh, not that one
08:04:32 <sbp> this is lame ass
08:04:35 <nslater> okay, which one?
08:04:43 <nslater> the 2:27 one?
08:04:44 <sbp> get the 2:27 version
08:04:45 <sbp> aye
08:04:53 <nslater> done
08:04:57 <sbp> yayz
08:05:05 <nslater> album recomendation?
08:05:12 <sbp> alright... bluesy... hmm
08:06:17 <nslater> I found the most amazing User Playlist the other day, total cost £70, I decided to skip, I've already spent enough this month on music :p
08:07:14 <sbp> I don't really have any lounge blues...
08:07:24 <sbp> just stuff like Charley Patton, Robert Johnson, Leadbelly...
08:07:35 <nslater> okay, I have a recommendation for you, if you want one
08:07:39 <sbp> sure
08:08:10 <nslater> Thievery Corporation, been listening to them all morning, specifically Lebanese Blonde, but it's all good
08:08:48 <sbp> 'k, I see it. will listen to ye snippet when I'm done with this joyous new Fairport...
08:08:56 <nslater> also, get Shashkin (Hefner Remix) by Omar Faruk Tekbilek
08:14:14 <nslater> there is another song named after the coffee shop Sartre used to drink in, but I forget it's name, something Fleur
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09:02:17 <sbp> .title http://inamidst.com/coleridge/
09:02:17 <phenny> sbp: Coleridge Corner | Collectanea and Notes About S.T.C.
09:02:22 <sbp> new site! new design! look & see!
09:03:25 <sbp> (Notes page is a work-in-progress)
09:04:28 <xover[PRESENT]> nice
09:07:23 <xover[PRESENT]> Notes could use some better styling though.
09:08:58 <sbp> ...[PRESENT]?
09:09:06 <xover[PRESENT]> Yes?
09:09:09 <sbp> yeah, I'm working on Notes
09:10:03 <sbp> WHY PRESENT
09:10:35 <xover[PRESENT]> I've decided to overay a Presence protocol on top of my IRC nickname. It just seems so logical as a method of implementation.
09:10:36 <sbp> if it had escaped your attention, [PRESENT] is not common amongst folks’ nicknamial affixes
09:10:47 <sbp> I see
09:11:05 <sbp> this is some sign that technology has finally got to you?
09:11:18 <sbp> and when may we expect you to come into work one day smiling?
09:11:19 <xover[PRESENT]> And I'm sure everyone here will appreciate knowing my Presence at any given moment.
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09:11:35 <sbp> hehe
09:11:38 <sbp> oh man
09:12:00 <sbp> xover[UNDERGOINGPRANSORIALNOURISHMENT]
09:12:14 <xover[EATING]> Sadly there is a nick length limit.
09:12:34 <xover[EATING]> I wonder why they would implement an arbitrary limit like that.
09:13:19 <sbp> probably they didn't want people nickname spamming or something
09:13:28 <sbp> pornosaurus_dot_com
09:13:30 <xover[EATING]> Luddites.
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09:14:01 <sbp> them and their belzebubberies
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09:15:19 <xover[SMOKEnCUPP> See what I mean about the nick limit?
09:15:31 <sbp> yeah
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10:09:23 <sbp> .gc lolgebra
10:09:23 <phenny> lolgebra: 1
10:09:32 <sbp> .g lolgebra
10:09:33 <phenny> sbp: http://www.fazed.org/forum/view/?id=27203&p=8
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11:11:06 <_bjoern> it's a bit uncool when windows crashes on every dvd read error...
11:13:57 <_bjoern> I tried reading the dvd from knoppix but that was dog slow, like 1.5 MB/s
11:14:15 <_bjoern> Now trying to read it from within a XP Virtual Machine for the lols
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11:16:21 <_bjoern> Options are host crashes, guest crashes, neither crashes. Your take?
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11:17:04 <_bjoern> .weather edfm
11:17:05 <phenny> Clear ☼, 19℃, 1028mb, Light breeze 7km/h (4kt) (↑) - EDFM 13:20, 1120Z
11:17:13 <_bjoern> it's no longer freezing
11:22:56 <realist> .w ymml
11:23:20 <realist> .weather ymml
11:23:21 <phenny> Cloudy, 11℃, 1004mb, Light Rain, Light breeze 5kt (↑) - YMML, 21:30, 1130Z
11:28:49 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4472549.stm
11:28:51 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Technology | Moore's Law original issue found
11:31:33 <sbp> .c 14000 USD in GBP
11:31:33 <phenny> 14 000 U.S. dollars = 7 070.34998 British pounds
11:31:34 <Monty> "you"
11:31:36 <sbp> nslater: ping
11:32:08 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater I found an original Coleridge letter for sale; a relatively minor one. £7070.35
11:32:08 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
11:32:38 <sbp> and a first edition of Kubla Khan for £2000
11:33:24 <sbp> .c 2934.64 USD in GBP
11:33:25 <phenny> 2 934.64 U.S. dollars = 1 482.06656 British pounds
11:33:37 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater another one! a bit more reasonable... £1482.07
11:33:37 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
11:34:50 * sbp is looking for an original copy of The Friend
11:34:58 <sbp> I figured I might be able to pick one up for a reasonable price
11:35:03 <sbp> but looking at this, I doubt it
11:35:29 <sbp> ah!
11:35:34 <sbp> .c 612.23 USD in GBP
11:35:34 <phenny> 612.23 U.S. dollars = 309.191455 British pounds
11:35:37 <sbp> seven issues!
11:35:48 <sbp> so actually, quite possible that I'd find a single issue for a decent price
11:38:55 <sbp> wow, there's a non-Griggs letter for sale
11:42:17 <nsh> HARROW SBP
11:42:19 <nsh> ET AL
11:43:11 <nsh> is reporting from the land of WHUTHAPPND?
11:43:30 <nsh> oh, was challenge?
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11:45:18 <sbp> yeah, to resize a Coleridgean image and still have it look good
11:45:32 <sbp> it's the seal on http://inamidst.com/coleridge/friend/
11:47:49 <nslater> sbp: 7 grand aint that expensive for a bit of history, you should take a bank loan :)
11:47:50 <phenny> nslater: 12:04Z <sbp> tell nslater I found an original Coleridge letter for sale; a relatively minor one. £7070.35
11:47:51 <phenny> nslater: 12:05Z <sbp> tell nslater another one! a bit more reasonable... £1482.07
11:48:13 <nslater> ooh, even better - get a loan and splurge :)
11:50:09 <sbp> .c 1482.07 / 60
11:50:09 <phenny> 1 482.07 / 60 = 24.7011667
11:50:18 <sbp> or we (including the bots) could all chip in 25 quid each
11:50:24 <sbp> and set up a Swhack Museum
11:50:31 <sbp> to be hosted at my house, of course
11:50:36 <nslater> im up for it
11:50:41 <sbp> you can all come and visit any time you like!
11:50:41 <nslater> so's plum
11:50:46 <sbp> (not Sundays. or holidays)
11:50:56 <plum> my email is all over the so ive given up on any sort of security there, it takes a plum of start-up time for mj ray you should have coffe some time and i was like we should have coffe some time and i was like we should have coffe some time and i was like we should have coffe some time and i was like we should have time for me.
11:51:12 <nslater> wat
11:51:29 <nslater> sbp: i think plum wants some coffee if she comes round
11:51:31 <sbp> plum: and I was like...
11:51:32 <sbp> yeah
11:51:34 <plum> hehe, refreshments i think is usually some sandwiches and tea+coffee, so give me coffee and seen so much im going blind and im breakin virtually.
11:51:40 <sbp> sounds like she's already *had* some...
11:51:43 <nslater> lol
11:51:46 <plum> hehe, he was like we should have coffe some time and i was trying to take a photograph of a farm and i was outside having a smoke and i was allowed into that part of the harvard was i? grmpff ok think i need to trash openbsd some days if i want provide a demo around couch.
11:52:03 <nslater> wow, bot rot
11:53:09 * nsh notes that as the diplomatic representative of WHUTHAPPND he has immunity from having to read the chat buffer
11:53:42 <nslater> good call
11:53:44 <sbp> nsh: summary is that you owe £25 for the Swhack Museum
11:53:57 <nslater> also bot caffeen abuse
11:54:00 <nsh> oh
11:54:04 <sbp> aye
11:54:08 <nsh> good times
11:54:47 <nsh> is not the museum can jus make stealed the lettar?
11:54:54 <nslater> sbp: you should organise some ColeridgeConf or something and rais money for it
11:55:05 <nsh> or even better, dais money for it
11:55:14 <realist> sbp: does phenny have multiple server support, in a single process?
11:55:33 <sbp> hmm, not in a single process I think
11:55:40 <sbp> I mean, how would that even work?
11:55:46 <nslater> [[[
11:55:48 <nsh> MAGIC AND POSTCARDS
11:55:50 <nslater> ]]]
11:55:53 <nslater> VIOLENCE
11:55:58 <nsh> (is sorry for quote burake)
11:56:04 <nslater> [[[
11:56:05 <nslater> Engineers love to talk about scalability. It makes us feel like the bad ass, dick-swingin' motherfuckers that we wish we could be.
11:56:08 <nslater> After we talk about scalability with our co-workers (Yeah, Rails doesn't scale!), we flex our true engineering prowess by writing a post about it on our blog. Once that post hits Reddit, son, everyone will know how hardcore you really are. Respect.
11:56:16 <nslater> ]]]
11:56:18 <nslater> .title http://teddziuba.com/2008/04/im-going-to-scale-my-foot-up-y.html
11:56:19 <phenny> nslater: I'm Going To Scale My Foot Up Your Ass - Ted Dziuba
11:56:49 <nsh> hmm
11:56:50 <realist> sbp: I meant, single parent process, then.
11:57:04 <sbp> realist: yep
11:57:27 <sbp> put multiple config files in a directory
11:57:34 <nslater> more tech blogs should be written this way
11:57:35 <sbp> then pass the directory name as -c
11:58:29 <nsh> }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}]]]]
11:58:38 <realist> sbp: not what I was expecting, but neat :-)
11:59:12 <nsh> *you're* a list of important publications in geodesy
11:59:28 <sbp> ]]] [[[ ]]] ]]] ]]] [[[ [[ ]]]] ]]] [[[ [[[ [[[ [[[ ]]] ]]] [] [[ ]]] [[[ ]]] [[[
11:59:31 * nslater subscribes to Ted's blog
12:00:32 * nsh subscribes to the consistent quantum history where nslater spontaneously ectoplodes
12:01:08 * nslater collapses nsh's waveform
12:01:11 <nsh> (is where ectoplasm pours out of your every orifice and then implodes upon you)
12:01:52 <nsh> i thought make the try go shopping
12:02:11 <nsh> that is to say, should
12:02:22 <nsh> but i'm still lost in WHUTHAPPND
12:02:53 <sbp> £25, Swhack Museum
12:03:05 <sbp> main thing for me is this Coleridge website
12:03:10 <sbp> lots of fun goodies to appear
12:03:17 * sbp has several drafted
12:04:03 <realist> sbp: it didn't like that
12:04:29 <sbp> ôdear
12:05:59 <nsh> úrmóm
12:06:16 <nslater> today I have become convinced that there is a certain class of people who's only point of existance is to troll the internet calling people idiots
12:06:43 <realist> nslater: it's taken you until now?
12:06:47 <nslater> I know...
12:07:36 <realist> I realised around the time Godwin's Law was formulated
12:07:49 <nslater> there was some guy on reddit and a comment he left "Idiot" interested me so I clicked his name, his "comments left by this person" page was a practically unbounded collection of insults, ad hominems and one word responses such as "Douchebag", "Spaz", "Idiot" etc
12:07:55 <nsh> nslater, i think you underappreciate how large is the class of people whose only point of existance is to require constant declarations of idiocy
12:08:36 <nsh> .gc Spazbag
12:08:37 <phenny> Spazbag: 82
12:08:48 <nslater> So I wasted 10 minutes of my existance while eating my lunch down voting every single comment he had left for the last few days
12:08:56 <nsh> man
12:08:58 <nsh> that's sad
12:09:13 <nsh> don't moderate reddit :-)
12:09:15 <nslater> ... which supports my theory that for every person who's only point is call people idiots there is another sucker like me who gets so upset by it that they start going all srs bsns
12:09:23 <sbp> unless someone posts a link to your site
12:09:33 <sbp> you can even moderate on *digg* for that
12:10:24 <nslater> I don't know what it is, but that kind of behaviour upsets this very deep and mysterious part of my being that I cannot explain
12:10:30 <nsh> a lot of the internet is better left untouched
12:10:38 <nslater> which as you pointed out, is pretty sad :)
12:10:52 <sbp> cf. That xkcd comic
12:10:58 <sbp> (someone on the internet is wrong!)
12:11:04 <nslater> hehe, very good
12:11:15 <sbp> I try very hard to not waste my time at that anymore
12:11:21 <sbp> unless I can structure something positive out of it
12:11:32 <nslater> exactly, I don't know who's worse, that guy on reddit or me wasting my time getting wound up by it
12:11:35 <sbp> like, it's good to rant against an idiot if you make some huge essay refuting them or something
12:12:01 <sbp> it is hard though... so tempting when someone is being all wrong and shit
12:12:10 * nsh ponders
12:12:12 <nslater> I'm glad I'm not alone
12:12:24 <sbp> I think it's probably a case of acting locally
12:12:38 <nslater> hmm?
12:12:40 <sbp> you see a problem right in front of you, and you don't think about the bigger picture, that you can spend your time doing much better things
12:12:47 <nslater> yeah...
12:12:50 <sbp> I mean, your focus of attention is a disproportionate view of the world
12:13:01 <sbp> you can only think about a microscopically small slice
12:13:29 <nsh> all this talk of slices is making me hungry
12:13:34 <sbp> it's one of those alright-in-small-doses thing, I suppose
12:13:36 <nslater> hehe, true true
12:13:39 <sbp> SLICE OF MEATBALLS?!
12:13:47 <nsh> i think i'm going to have to do this shoppingx0rs :-/
12:13:52 <nslater> SLICE OF PLUMP PIE
12:13:53 <sbp> oh dear
12:14:00 <plum> lol, if you threw my pie onto the ceiling. followed of course by a plum with pie in the any idea how to figure out which views would need to be queried to ensure that you've queried the entire dataset?
12:14:04 <sbp> man, I wonder how shopping can be made creative
12:14:32 <sbp> nsh: your challenge, should you accept it, is to MAKE SHOPPING FUN and then report how you did it here on Swhack
12:14:33 <nsh> can leave clues for treasure trail wherever i take an object from a shelf
12:14:37 <sbp> hehe
12:14:38 <nslater> you could make it into a dating exercise
12:14:42 <sbp> that would be pretty good
12:14:50 <nslater> see how many girls you can get numbers from
12:15:05 <nslater> I will give you one internet for every number you collect
12:15:06 <nsh> could leave clues for a trail to a big pile of dates
12:15:50 <nsh> i don't think supermarket people are the people for me
12:15:57 <nsh> unless they're leaving clues an ting
12:16:29 <nslater> I'm sure I read somewhere that super markets are a good place to meet hawt chix
12:17:15 <nslater> though I'm not quite sure how you spark up small talk while shopping
12:17:28 <nsh> is easy
12:17:36 <nslater> it's a bit like the post office, in that it's suprisingly hard to feel sexy or smooth in anyway
12:17:48 <nsh> just ask people if they haven't heard about the health warning for whatever product they're buying
12:17:54 <nslater> oooooh
12:18:03 <nsh> then make up some jazz about rectal cancer of the nasal passage
12:18:15 <nslater> hmm, that's not setting the right vibe for me
12:18:25 <sbp> nslater: weight is a better idea
12:18:27 <nsh> well you're just backwards then
12:18:38 <sbp> studies show that eating $your-product can lead to increased adipose deposits
12:18:47 <nslater> hmm...
12:18:47 <sbp> and I'm sure you wouldn't want to spoil that beautiful figure!
12:19:00 <nslater> wow, you're good at this!
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12:19:12 <nsh> DMILES AND DMILES OF DSTYLES
12:20:21 <nslater> but meh, I rescind my comment, there's something inherently un-sexy about buying bog roll and soup, I wouldn't bother
12:20:47 <nsh> i can't eat bog roll and soup
12:20:53 <nslater> you could...
12:21:01 <nsh> is buying bacon and eggs and mushrooms and beans and ketchup
12:21:10 <nsh> thas food, guy
12:21:12 <sbp> ah, nice and heathly
12:21:13 <nslater> remove the bacon and that sounds lovely
12:21:19 <sbp> er, or whatever
12:21:22 <nslater> actually, remove the mushrooms
12:21:23 <sbp> you know. spelling. and shit
12:21:23 <Monty> potty mouth!
12:21:27 <nslater> infact, just give me beans
12:21:43 <sbp> I don't like beans, so I'll go with bacon, eggs, mushrooms, and ketchup
12:21:52 <nslater> well, that works out pretty nicely
12:22:03 <nsh> YOU IS NO CAN EAT MY BREAKFASTS
12:22:04 <nslater> nsh, lunch at your place?
12:22:22 <nsh> sure, jump on the plane
12:22:23 <nslater> dont you wanna get some sausages with that?
12:22:25 <nsh> but you have to wingwalk
12:22:42 <nslater> two bangers would be perfect with those food stuffs
12:22:44 <nsh> no-one is allowed to visit who hasn't tread the 'sphere
12:22:56 <nsh> that is the true
12:23:03 <nsh> but finding food sausage takes a lot of effort
12:23:26 <nsh> and that's kinda against my moralethic
12:24:44 * nsh wishes he had some kinda PWARING to get him to 'market and back
12:25:02 <nsh> or even better, some typea whoopwhoopwhoopwhoop
12:25:06 * nslater laughs at http://maddox.xmission.com/
12:25:08 <nslater> .title
12:25:09 <phenny> nslater: rULeR Of thE UniverSe.
12:25:13 <nsh> whoa
12:25:57 <nsh> i has this pamphet for you nslater, "welcome to the world-wide web in the twentieth century"
12:26:15 <nslater> I miss 1999 web design
12:26:42 <nsh> right
12:26:50 <nsh> instead of typing "i miss having a full stomach"
12:27:02 <nsh> i'm going to try a moar different approach
12:27:18 <nsh> of getting up and pwnifying some foods
12:27:24 <nslater> DOIT
12:27:27 <nsh> will report back on the funs
12:27:38 <nsh> unless so much fun
12:27:44 <realist> sbp: phenny bugs out when I point -c at a directory
12:27:49 <nsh> get arrested at the drugs orgy or something
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12:29:22 <nslater> plum, hit on war2 for using away nicks
12:29:26 <plum> war2, most people come in here looking for cyber sex, i bet he has a big cock. can I have your msn?
12:29:34 <war2> heh
12:29:41 <war2> it's just 1 away nick.
12:29:59 <war2> or you could read it as "war2 has A way" war2[away]
12:30:11 <nslater> either way it's pure evil
12:30:26 <nslater> almost as evil as hitler &c
12:30:32 <war2> would it still be an evil if I write "away" in a non-english language that you can't understand? :P
12:30:39 <war2> ./nick war2[DFGHDGFSg]
12:30:46 <war2> :)
12:30:49 <nslater> no, you could just use /real/ IRC away status
12:31:00 <war2> I use that too. :)
12:31:06 * nslater facepalms
12:31:11 <war2> :D
12:32:00 <nslater> the reason I dont like it is that it assumes anyone cares :) thats not a personal thing, it applies for anyone and everyone on irc
12:33:08 <nslater> but im just trollin', ignore me :)
12:33:55 * war2 does it because some people actually care. ^^
12:34:15 <nslater> well, I only have my own meaningless existance as a reference point :)
12:34:32 <war2> I am much more than that. ;)
12:34:38 <war2> I am 2 reference points. ^^
12:34:47 <nslater> lucky for some!
12:36:09 <sbp> realist: if you wanna send me it or lisppaste2 it or something, I might take a look at it
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12:37:55 <nslater> omg...
12:38:15 <realist> sbp: would you prefer a bugreport?
12:38:18 *** nslater changed the topic to: "map your tafting with greasemonkey http://ben.pixelmachine.org/articles/2008/04/25/mapping-the-distraction-that-is-wikipedia"
12:39:17 <realist> sbp: http://pastebin.com/d29e0f2e6
12:42:50 <sbp> .title http://inamidst.com/coleridge/friend/02
12:42:51 <phenny> sbp: S. T. Coleridge | The Friend | No. 2. Thursday, 8th June 1809
12:42:57 <sbp> new issue!
12:43:08 <sbp> well... heh. for some perspective of new
12:43:41 <sbp> realist: my phenny script doesn't even have a line 159
12:43:44 * sbp looks at nslater
12:43:54 <nslater> let me looksee
12:44:20 <sbp> $ grep -Iir 'not path' ~www/phenny/
12:44:23 <sbp> [no results]
12:44:28 <nslater> realist: can you post the contents of /usr/bin/phenny please
12:44:34 <nslater> realist: are you using the debian package?
12:44:46 <realist> Yes, from lenny
12:45:11 <nslater> have you made any modifications?
12:45:16 <realist> No
12:45:21 <nslater> can I see your bin script?
12:45:42 <realist> Only to default.py, and added another .py config
12:47:16 <nslater> can I see the script?
12:48:10 <realist> /usr/bin/phenny ?
12:48:21 <nslater> hmm, never mind
12:48:27 <nslater> yep, thats a bug
12:48:47 <nslater> you can fix it by editing that file and replacing path with os.path
12:49:04 <realist> Is it fixed upstream already?
12:49:09 <nslater> if you file a bug using the reportbug command I will get a new version of the package uploaded today
12:49:24 <nslater> no, it's not a bug in the upstream, it's a bug with my package's patches
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12:52:43 * sbp grumbles at the patches in general
12:52:48 <nslater> why?
12:52:51 <sbp> nslater: do you *have* to patch it?
12:53:03 <nslater> yes, why do you grumble?
12:53:11 <sbp> because it casts a modified vision of how I designed phenny
12:53:16 <sbp> e.g. here realist complained this to me
12:53:19 <sbp> whereas it's your fault
12:53:30 <nslater> my fault?
12:53:41 <sbp> it's in your patches, you said
12:53:59 <sbp> NOT THAT I'M BLAMING YOU
12:54:01 <sbp> :-)
12:54:12 <nslater> well, it feels like blame :)
12:54:30 <nslater> you should be thanking me for the extra users and the support I lend a hand with :p
12:54:52 <sbp> well, I do
12:55:05 <nslater> my patches are very minimal actually, I will enumerate them if you like...
12:55:10 <sbp> sure
12:58:00 <nslater> I have addded a patch to catch exceptions and log them to STDERR instead of IRC (this is about the only functional change I made, for security purposes), reformatted the command options so that I can generate a Debian mandated man page, tweeked the default configuration for Debian, expand the "~" string in the user configuration to $HOME, change the way that modules are loaded to cope with being installed into the system Python path (3 patches), removed t
12:58:07 <nslater> shit...
12:58:10 <nslater> where was I snipped?
12:58:33 <nslater> the way that modules are loaded to cope with being installed into the system Python path (3 patches), removed the executable bits and hashbangs for Debian policy, require Python 2.5 as this is the default Debian version and Python 2.4 has some weird threading bug that was fixed in Python 2.5
12:59:32 <nslater> I also recently added NOTICE functionality which I am aware your not interested in
13:00:57 <nslater> so, that's two functional changes in total and I dont have any plans to make any more, I'
13:01:08 <nslater> m not interested in maintaining my own functionally different version
13:01:50 <realist> sbp: I'm sending the bug report to debian, fwiw
13:01:57 <nslater> yes, please do :)
13:03:34 <sbp> don't forget to add that it's all nslater's fault
13:03:47 <nslater> oh, and I forgot the addition of the "limit" configuration, which I think you've added to your version of phenny now
13:03:49 <sbp> P.S. this person made a typo -> nslater
13:04:00 <nslater> IT'S ALL MY FAULT
13:05:25 <nslater> the maintainer of Ion3 (the window manager I *used* to use) got so fed up with the patches that Debian applied (to fix various bugs and add Xinerama support) that he made his software non-free (from the GPL!)
13:05:56 <sbp> awesome
13:06:23 <nslater> I say Debian, it was more like a general disalusionment with the whole FLOSS community
13:06:36 <nslater> funny to see someone turn so bitter so slowly, in a kind of non-funny way
13:06:52 <realist> I really dislike ISP blocking port 25... but I understand why they do.
13:06:59 <nslater> they do!?
13:08:26 <realist> Indeed, except to their own mailserver
13:09:17 <nslater> anyway, my I'm still red on the swhack map, but it's shrinking so my plan is working, over and out, mail me if you have any more problems :p
13:09:18 <realist> nslater: has Ion3 since forked?
13:09:34 <nslater> dunno... sorry
13:10:04 * nslater wanders off
13:11:20 <realist> nslater: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=478033
13:12:00 <nslater> ack, stop making me talk, don't you know I'm trying to turn maroon! but cool, just replace "path" with "os.path" and I'll get the real fix uploaded this weekend
13:12:18 * nslater grins
13:12:55 <realist> Sorry, but do you have a public VCS repo?
13:13:06 <nslater> yeah... why?
13:13:24 <realist> Just curious
13:13:31 <nslater> apt-cache show phenny
13:13:33 * realist lets you wander off
13:13:48 <nslater> hmm...
13:14:31 <nslater> realist: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/phenny.html
13:14:39 <nslater> realist: see the "Version Control" section
13:14:58 <realist> Thanks! :-)
13:15:02 <nslater> np
13:16:18 <sbp> nslater: all the patches are here? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/python-apps/packages/phenny/trunk/debian/patches/?rev=986&sc=1
13:16:54 <sbp> what's this one for? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/python-apps/packages/phenny/trunk/debian/patches/module-home.patch?op=file&rev=986&sc=1
13:17:12 <sbp> ooh, blame information! http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/python-apps/packages/phenny/trunk/debian/patches/module-home.patch?op=blame&rev=986&sc=1
13:21:53 <nslater> sbp: you import modules based on them existing in "modules" in the pwd
13:22:13 <nslater> ... but as the modules live in the system path I changed the home variable instead of changing each instance of it's use
13:23:22 <sbp> oh right. silly me
13:23:28 <sbp> thanks
13:23:33 <nslater> is that sarcasm? :)
13:23:43 <sbp> nope, I dunno why I forgot that
13:23:46 <sbp> it was kinda obvious
13:23:48 <nslater> ah, okies
13:23:58 <sbp> trying to think of a better way to do it now...
13:24:03 <sbp> but I guess there isn't one. hmm
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13:24:22 <nslater> if you used something like setuptools im sure a solution would present it's self
13:24:27 <sbp> true
13:24:40 <nslater> at least, it would require similar rearchitecting which would naturally present this same problem &c
13:25:10 <realist> Could modules live in both system path, _and_ $HOME/.phenny ?
13:25:19 <nslater> yeah, they do on my system
13:25:45 <nslater> I have ~/.phenny/modules and ~/.phenny/contrib
13:25:56 <nslater> then i have this:
13:25:57 <nslater> extra = ["~/.phenny/contrib", "~/.phenny/module"]
13:26:20 <nslater> oh silly me, the plural "modules" was a typo, natch ;)
13:31:03 <realist> Found another bug...
13:31:39 <sbp> nslater's fault, or mine?
13:31:43 <Arnia> Everyone is so angry today :)
13:31:46 <Arnia> uh :(
13:31:48 <_bjoern> nu
13:31:49 <sbp> FUCK YOU I'M NOT
13:32:09 <Arnia> Seriously, I've seen five full on shouting matches in the past hour
13:32:13 <sbp> sweet
13:32:36 <Arnia> Not really, since they're all friends
13:33:16 <sbp> missweet
13:33:21 <Arnia> One of them I know why he's so angry; the doctors have told him that he either has developed severe epilepsy or a brain tumour
13:33:28 <sbp> yikes
13:33:28 <Arnia> The others however...
13:33:58 <realist> sbp: I'll let you know when I've debugged it
13:34:09 <sbp> are they depressed that England isn't in Euro 2008?
13:34:12 <sbp> realist: heh, thanks
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13:44:08 <sbp> .c 1 - (1 / phi)
13:44:09 <phenny> 1 - (1 / the golden ratio) = 0.381966011
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13:45:45 <_bjoern> "FIFA president Sepp Blatter has threatened Spain with expulsion from international football if the Spanish government interferes in the election process of the Spanish Football Federation. Should Spain be suspended for the European Championship, Northern Ireland, as the next highest team in Spain's qualifying group, or England, as the highest non-qualifying European team in the FIFA World Rankings, would take their place in Group
13:46:12 <_bjoern> You are the best losers!
13:47:07 <realist> sbp: not sure who to blame, but there's a catchall on line #163
13:50:08 <sbp> _bjoern: woah. where's that from?
13:50:14 <sbp> .g "Blatter has threatened Spain with expulsion"
13:50:15 <phenny> sbp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_2008
13:50:17 <sbp> woah
13:50:41 <realist> Looks like nslater added some new args checking code
13:51:12 <realist> In which the catchall breaks the -c switch entirely
13:51:27 <realist> Might submit a patch for it
13:52:07 <realist> It's only picking up the first .py file too
13:52:24 <sbp> chuckle
13:52:40 <sbp> nslater: your fault again! muahaha
13:52:40 <sbp> (I am not blaming you)
13:52:52 <realist> I'll just start two phenny instances
13:52:56 * realist grins
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14:18:22 <realist> sbp: how can I tell phenny to connect to another port?
14:19:59 <nsh> v-v-v-voodoo magic
14:20:25 <nsh> i suspect that searching for the number 6667 in the code will be revealing in this matter
14:20:49 <nsh> <---- certifiably fastbroked
14:20:56 <sbp> yeah. you can't change it unless you patch the code at the moment
14:21:00 <nsh> but they didn't have any mushrooms
14:21:09 <sbp> I'll change it so that you can specify it in the config
14:21:15 <nsh> no fucking mushrooms in a supermarket that's big enough to have eaten several smaller supermarkets
14:21:20 <nsh> what is the world coming to?
14:22:24 <sbp> realist: okay, made the change, but it'll be a while before it filters down the food chain
14:22:59 * sbp uploads the new version
14:23:13 <sbp> nsh: no mushrooms at all? not even fancy versions?
14:23:21 <realist> sbp: thanks :-)
14:23:25 <nsh> only canned
14:23:25 <sbp> yw
14:23:31 <nsh> and that ain't cool dawg
14:24:01 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater 14:883537b881e2 2008-04-26 Allow the user to configure the port in the config, and other fixes. (for realist)
14:24:01 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
14:24:04 <sbp> nsh: ah, indeed!
14:25:02 <nsh> wai u maken up numburs agen sbp?/
14:30:30 * nsh imagines reading a cool essay entitled "Uncollapsing Audiospace, an Autophenomenological Report"
14:30:59 <realist> sbp: is there a public repo?
14:33:30 <nsh> .gd counterfactual
14:33:31 <phenny> counterfactual: A condition which has not been or cannot be fulfilled.
14:35:29 <nsh> .wik counterfactual definiteness
14:35:30 <phenny> "Counterfactual definiteness (CFD) is a property of some interpretations of quantum mechanics but not others." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfactual_definiteness
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14:40:57 <nsh> hmm
14:40:58 <Monty> oopsie
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14:45:49 <sbp> realist: hg clone static-http://inamidst.com/phenny/
14:46:13 <sbp> .gc Autophenomenological
14:46:13 <phenny> Autophenomenological: 105
14:46:19 <sbp> .gc "Uncollapsing Audiospace"
14:46:19 <phenny> "Uncollapsing Audiospace": 0
14:47:55 * Arnia cries
14:48:01 <sbp> yo
14:48:02 <Arnia> Why won't this fucking code work
14:48:07 <sbp> Java?
14:48:12 <Arnia> Yes
14:48:19 <Arnia> I hate it hate it hate it
14:48:22 <pwaring> therein lies your problem ;)
14:48:28 <sbp> PWAAAaaaarRRING!
14:48:32 <sbp> VROooooome
14:48:44 <sbp> skreeêêêêêêêêtc̈h!
14:48:49 <Arnia> pwaring: Don't. I need to get this finished today or tomorrow otherwise I don't have a paper to submit to ISD
14:49:03 <nsh> PWAAARRRRRIIINNGGG
14:49:07 <pwaring> ISD?
14:49:12 <Arnia> And I'm relying on being able to go to ISD to give me the break I need after I write my thesis draft
14:49:32 <Arnia> International Information System Development conference
14:49:39 <pwaring> ah
14:49:53 <sbp> shouldn't that be I²SD?
14:50:02 <Arnia> The first one isn't in the name
14:50:10 <pwaring> ooh, nice location
14:50:13 <sbp> sure it isn't the second one that isn't in the name?
14:50:18 <Arnia> Yes
14:50:23 <sbp> 'k
14:50:31 <nsh> Complex Counterfactual Definiteness
14:50:38 <pwaring> umm
14:50:40 <Arnia> sbp: it is the conference I went to last August in Galway
14:50:43 <pwaring> don't papers have to be submitted by April
14:50:45 <sbp> oho
14:50:50 <pwaring> 15th April
14:50:53 <Arnia> pwaring: 30th April
14:50:57 <Arnia> There was an extension
14:51:00 <pwaring> ah extension
14:51:03 <pwaring> not enough interest then ;)
14:51:16 <nsh> there's going to be a PWARRING day?
14:51:32 * pwaring wonders if he can hack together a quick paper this weekend
14:51:33 <sbp> Every Day is PWARRING Day!
14:51:36 * nsh imagines going to town and seeing everybody communicating solely using PRWWAARRING
14:51:41 <nsh> that would be cool
14:51:55 <nsh> i'd like to see a mapping from english into fastcargoby noises
14:51:55 <sbp> especially if it was in sign language
14:52:02 <nsh> oh mang, that too
14:52:05 <sbp> make an abjad
14:52:21 <nsh> abjad maeks things come true?
14:52:26 <sbp> car noises stand for consonants
14:52:42 <sbp> that would be way fucked up, because it would have a dual orthography
14:52:57 <nsh> yeah, i think that might undermine homeland security
14:53:05 <sbp> one for the communication of meaning, and one for poetic texture
14:53:09 * nsh would love to mine under homeland security
14:53:23 <pwaring> anything which undermines homeland security is good
14:53:26 <sbp> it's probably being done. you know how attentive to the right problems they are
14:53:32 <pwaring> or possibly bad, if it enables someone like bush to get elected
14:53:34 <nsh> then i'd fill the mines up with that expanding insulation foam
14:53:55 <pwaring> that stuff is awesome
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14:54:05 <pwaring> spray it into speed camera holes, it blows them up :)
14:54:06 <sbp> why would you do that?
14:54:06 <nsh> tell me about it mang
14:54:35 <nsh> to maek
14:54:42 <nsh> .wik Love waves
14:54:42 <phenny> "In elastodynamics, Love waves are essentially horizontally polarized shear waves (SH waves) guided by an elastic layer, which is 'welded' to an elastic half space on one side and borders vacuum on the other side." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_waves
14:55:08 <sbp> science is made of blueberries, yum
14:55:09 <nsh> it would be so awesome to destroy a city with a Love wave generator superweapon
14:55:28 <nsh> that would be worth all the consequences
14:55:47 <nsh> even including nonsensical time-loop-logic consequences
14:55:51 <nsh> and they can be pretty nuts
14:56:23 * sbp suddenly notices the topic
14:56:46 <sbp> ah, I had been distracted by Friend #2
14:57:05 * nsh keeps forgetting to copypasta that url into his locashun bar
14:57:15 <nsh> mm
14:57:21 * sbp is suddenly suspicious of the etymosymy of # quâ number
14:57:25 <nsh> what kinda chocolate is your location bar?
14:57:26 <sbp> is it an Americanism?
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14:58:04 <nsh> etymosymy == awesome word
14:58:31 <nsh> oh cool, it's a sbp
14:58:36 <nsh> sbp++
14:58:46 <sbp> :-)
14:58:59 <sbp> hmm, Wikipedia makes me suspicious
14:59:05 <sbp> there's always № of course
14:59:09 <sbp> .u №
14:59:09 <phenny> U+2116 NUMERO SIGN (№)
15:00:33 <realist> sbp: I was wondering why I had that URL open
15:00:38 <sbp> heh
15:00:50 <realist> Must've accidently clicked through on the topic, without realising
15:01:26 <nsh> nah, we pwnt ur boxen wiv ar glocksen
15:01:50 <sbp> and we don't mean glockenspiels
15:02:07 <nsh> yeah, but like fully automatic and pistol grip
15:02:26 <sbp> .gc "pistol grip glockenspiel"
15:02:27 <phenny> "pistol grip glockenspiel": 0
15:02:46 <nsh> mang, fully automatic glockenspiel weapon is hilarious in imaginespace
15:02:57 <sbp> should bung it on Uncyclopædia
15:03:07 <nsh> <-- vow of nonproductivity
15:03:16 <_bjoern> I am looking for a command line equivalent of `dd if=cdrom of=example.iso` for audio cds
15:03:24 <nsh> is not allowed to contribute to humanity :-(
15:03:38 <sbp> → http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_that_don%27t_exist,_but_should
15:04:03 <nsh> ah, good times that page
15:04:14 <jsled> _bjoern: hmm? Does the command you gave not work?
15:04:14 <realist> http://wikimindmap.com/viewmap.php?wiki=en.wikipedia.org&topic=Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge
15:04:16 <sbp> “Must be not boring. Yes, a gun that shoots swords is cool, but we already got one of those. We got bored of it.”
15:04:24 <nslater> realist: please file another bug
15:04:24 <phenny> nslater: 14:56Z <sbp> tell nslater 14:883537b881e2 2008-04-26 Allow the user to configure the port in the config, and other fixes. (for realist)
15:04:43 <_bjoern> No that only works for the first track on data cds, as far as I can tell!
15:04:46 <nslater> sbp: is that a new version of phenny?
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15:04:49 <sbp> nslater: yes
15:04:53 <_bjoern> [[[
15:04:53 <_bjoern> 0+0 records in
15:04:53 <_bjoern> 0+0 records out
15:04:53 <_bjoern> 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0 s, Infinity B/s
15:04:54 <_bjoern> ]]]
15:04:57 <_bjoern> specifically
15:04:59 <realist> nslater: will do
15:05:02 <nslater> sbp: also, I feel blamed by you and I am highly upset and I am considering writing a letter of complaint
15:05:14 <sbp> pfft. 0 bytes in 0 seconds isn't infinity bytes per second!
15:05:16 <sbp> .c 0 / 0
15:05:16 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no result.
15:05:19 <sbp> oh come on
15:05:22 <nsh> someone should do a cartoon series on that article
15:05:23 <realist> nslater: mind if I send you a patch too?
15:05:25 <war2> sbp: it just means 0, *practically*.
15:05:29 <nsh> that would be the p-n-w
15:05:30 <nslater> realist: attching a patch is great
15:05:48 <nsh> attching sounds like a painful sexual fetish
15:06:13 * nslater pens a letter to the SBP Management Institution
15:06:17 <nsh> yo, i was liek totally attching dis chick when she dettched on me
15:06:27 <nsh> it was sweet gnarly man
15:06:35 <war2> use a better glue next time.
15:06:47 * nsh notes to use the term 'sweet gnarly' in seven different contexts this week
15:06:54 <nsh> i should make more challenges like that
15:07:24 <sbp> “On September 21, 1997, a divide by zero error in the USS Yorktown (CG-48) Remote Data Base Manager brought down all the machines on the network, causing the ship's propulsion system to fail.” — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero
15:07:35 <sbp> .calc 0 / 0
15:07:36 <phenny> 0 / 0 = 1
15:07:40 <nsh> new challenge: come up with ways to lower the entropy of nsh's week by enforcing the creative insertion of randomness in social situations
15:07:41 <war2> haha
15:07:44 <nslater> lol
15:07:46 <sbp> ONE OMG NO IT'S A FALLACY
15:08:02 <sbp> nsh: wtf just do it
15:08:18 <war2> sbp had 0 sex with 0 females in the last 5 minutes, so sbp's sexual conquests tend to infinity.
15:08:21 <war2> *THAT* is fallacy.
15:08:30 <war2> (and a bad example too) :P
15:08:55 <nsh> good example of accidental proof though
15:09:05 <nsh> .gc "accidental proof"
15:09:06 <phenny> "accidental proof": 390
15:09:06 <sbp> “These and other similar facts show that the expression \textstyle\frac{0}{0} cannot be well-defined as a limit.” - not very helpful
15:09:18 <nsh> .gs accidental proof of *
15:09:18 <phenny> accidental proof of *: the (4), value (2)
15:10:04 * nslater throws a plum at debian
15:10:07 <plum> throw away the model pattern", its more that debian keep updating it.
15:10:34 <realist> I need a coffee before submitting another bug report
15:10:44 <realist> .t AEST
15:10:44 <phenny> Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:43:02 AEST
15:11:24 <nsh> google screen-scrapes for the wingz:
15:11:26 <nsh> Here´s Something More Your Bushnazis Can Stuff In Your Bulging Cracks
15:11:26 <nsh> The country has waited overlong for this accidental test - an accidental proof of all that really happened - when we allowed traitors to take this country ...
15:12:10 <sbp> man, maths is fucked up
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15:14:10 <nsh_> CHICKACHICKACHICKA POW WOW BACKX
15:14:20 <nsh_> loggy, pointer
15:14:20 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-26#T15-14-20
15:14:23 <nsh_> an ting
15:14:26 <sbp> “in today's dodgey world even mathematics has smallprint”
15:14:26 <nsh_> cheers, loggy
15:14:27 <sbp> — http://everything2.com/e2node/0%252F0
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15:15:08 <sbp> ooh, a list of other examples
15:15:10 <sbp> “0/0 is referred to as an indeterminate form, along with 0*infinity, infinity/infinity, infinity^0, 0^infinity, 1^infinity, infinity - infinity, and 0^0.”
15:15:14 <Arnia> 'A directly related topic is the study on “human heuristics, bias, errors, and fallacy.” Typically, researchers compare human behavior to a “normative theory,” and whenever the two are different, the human behavior is judged as wrong.' -- Pei Wang, 'Rigid Flexibility, The Logic of Intelligence' (2006) Springer.
15:16:40 <sbp> .wik Rule of L'Hôpital
15:16:41 <phenny> "In calculus, l'Hôpital's rule (also spelled l'Hospital) uses derivatives to help compute limits with indeterminate forms." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'H%C3%B4pital's_rule
15:16:59 * nsh_ Ruled L'Hopital once
15:17:04 <nsh_> with an iron bedpan
15:17:16 <nsh_> (good times)
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15:17:48 <Arnia> sbp: oddly, someone was just discussing that over the other side of the room
15:18:52 <nsh> Shocking Syncrotricity!
15:19:00 <nsh> syncrotricity would be a cool power source
15:19:15 * nsh should write a short absurdist fiction on the matter
15:19:20 <Arnia> nsh: Bit unpredictable
15:19:29 * nsh smiles
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15:19:47 <nsh> qubit unretrodictable
15:20:50 <sbp> cool
15:20:51 <nsh> mubit impredicative
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15:25:03 <nsh> .gc "incidental proof"
15:25:03 <phenny> "incidental proof": 2,690
15:25:12 <nsh> .gc "incidental logic"
15:25:13 <phenny> "incidental logic": 87
15:26:55 <nsh> google screen-scrape: "Free nude sex pics so nugatory nacreous pkissing balsam not complementary the take incidental logic been becoming up deification retish imprecise lumbering ..."
15:27:00 <nsh> .gc nugatory porn
15:27:00 <phenny> nugatory porn: 2,560
15:27:05 <nsh> .gd nugatory
15:27:05 <phenny> nugatory: of no real value; "a nugatory law"
15:27:16 <nsh> .ety nugatory
15:27:16 <phenny> "'trifling, of no value,' 1603, from L. nugatorius 'worthless, futile,' from nugator (gen. nugatoris) 'jester, trifler,' from nugatus, pp. of nugari 'to trifle,' from nugæ (gen. nugarum) 'jokes, jests, trifles,' of unknown origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=nugatory
15:27:20 <nsh> mmmm
15:27:23 <nsh> trifling porn
15:27:45 <nsh> Jokes Jests and Trifles, awesome
15:28:22 <nsh> today is turning out to be a hallmark moment in imagination
15:30:14 <nsh> shit
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15:30:57 * nsh tries to wrestle birthing intuition from the underdilated vagina of his subconscious
15:31:48 * sbp is reading about hypercomplex numbers
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15:32:00 <sbp> yay sedenions
15:32:22 <sbp> so, imaginary, quat, oct, sed... 32 next?
15:32:37 <nsh> is suspecting a pattern
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15:33:15 <sbp> ah, trigintaduonions?
15:33:34 <sbp> yes. awesome
15:33:37 <sbp> .gc trigintaduonions
15:33:38 <phenny> trigintaduonions: 49
15:33:40 * nsh wonders if you can get trigintadushallots
15:34:09 <sbp> so, what's the 64D hypercomplex number system called?
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15:34:39 <sbp> sexgintaquatronions?
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15:34:49 <xover> [[[
15:34:49 <kpreid> sbp: what are octonions good for?
15:34:49 <xover> In September 21, 1997 while on maneuvers off the coast of Cape Charles,
15:34:49 <xover> Virginia, a crew member entered a zero into a database field causing a divide
15:34:49 <xover> by zero error in the ship's Remote Data Base Manager which brought down all
15:34:49 <xover> the machines on the network, causing the ship's propulsion system to fail.
15:34:50 <xover> ]]]
15:35:02 <nsh> what ails ya
15:35:05 <xover> [[[
15:35:06 <xover> The ship was equipped with a network of 27 dual 200 MHz Pentium Pro based
15:35:06 <xover> machines running Windows NT 4.0 communicating over fiber-optical cable with
15:35:06 <xover> a Pentium Pro based server.
15:35:06 <xover> ]]]
15:35:06 <sbp> hehe
15:35:21 <nsh> complex rotations, kpreid
15:35:28 <sbp> kpreid: “octonions have applications in fields such as string theory, special relativity, and quantum logic”
15:35:31 <xover> I'd refer to it as the punchline, but I fer it was all too predictable.
15:36:00 <kpreid> sbp: aren't complex numbers "complete" in some sense?
15:36:10 * nsh frowns
15:36:13 <nsh> strange notion
15:36:18 <sbp> complete?
15:36:20 <kpreid> or is there a hole by which you find quaternions
15:36:32 <kpreid> analogously to the square root of -1
15:36:40 <sbp> there's the Cayley-Dickson construction, which limits the hypercomplexes to octonions
15:36:46 <sbp> but if you ignore that, you can go further
15:36:50 <kpreid> or is this all rather arbitrary
15:37:03 <Arnia> kpreid: they have certain nice properties which other fields don't, but I wouldn't use the term 'complete'
15:37:14 <sbp> well there are two ways to form sedonions...
15:37:25 <sbp> I'm not sure it's an intensely studied field
15:37:45 <sbp> Wikipedia indicates that sedonions have lost most of the normal properties we expect from numbers, except for power associativity
15:37:57 <sbp> I wonder if trigintaduonions have power associativity
15:38:13 <nsh> doubt an axiom, break a symmetry, gain a complexity
15:38:41 <realist> This is where my eyes glaze over
15:38:55 <nsh> try scraping some of the glaze off
15:39:00 <nsh> and selling it to people on the black market
15:39:07 <nsh> i bet it's a speciality in some country
15:39:16 <nsh> some twisted, evil and tasty country
15:39:38 <realist> I mean, mathematic theory/proofs
15:39:40 <nsh> sbp: Free nude sex pics so nugatory nacreous pkissing balsam not complementary the take incidental logic been becoming up deification retish imprecise lumbering ...
15:39:42 <nsh> no wait
15:39:47 <nsh> sbp: The Cayley-Dickson construction can be carried on ad infinitum, at each step producing a power-associative algebra whose dimension is double that of algebra of the preceding step.
15:39:48 <nsh> -WP
15:40:34 <sbp> oh? hmm, interesting
15:40:41 <sbp> in Octionion it implies that things stop there
15:41:08 <sbp> but then in Sedenion it says one of the ways of making them is by the Cayley-Dickson construction... heh
15:41:16 <sbp> so I must be misreading, or it's fucked up
15:41:16 <Monty> potty mouth!
15:41:21 <sbp> and: ah yes, it would be sexagintaquadions next
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15:41:53 <sbp> then centumduodetrigintions
15:41:58 <sbp> which is just awesome
15:42:07 <sbp> 128 dimensional numbers
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15:42:42 <sbp> ultracomplex, you might say
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15:43:17 <sbp> nsh: so anyway, I guess that means that they're always power associative? hmm
15:43:44 <nsh> that's what the two-dimensional squiggles tell me
15:43:49 <nsh> and they look authoritative
15:45:18 <sbp> the squiggles are... meaning at you?
15:45:23 <sbp> HELLO NSH
15:45:26 <sbp> WE MEAN THINGS!
15:45:31 <sbp> WE ARE THE SQUIGGLES
15:45:48 <nsh> MARGH
15:45:54 <nsh> THEY TALKIN 2 ME
15:45:55 <sbp> dang man, the squiggles are meaning hella concepts at you!
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15:46:43 * sbp wonders whether he should try finding out the name for 256D or not...
15:46:45 <sbp> probably best not
15:46:56 <nsh> yeah, it's a slippery slode mang
15:47:02 <sbp> sploom
15:47:15 <nsh> soon you'll be mugging old ladies for your next hit of latin ordinals
15:47:19 <sbp> hehe
15:47:28 <nsh> oh man
15:47:32 <sbp> well, past 1024 you can switch to Greek
15:47:33 <nsh> i would love to see a cartoon gallery
15:47:39 <nsh> of 1001 things to mug and old lady for
15:47:48 <sbp> because at that level, nobody cares much anyway
15:47:48 <nsh> *an
15:47:56 <nsh> that's true
15:48:00 <sbp> 1) forced by the govt. to do so
15:48:07 <sbp> 2) tax rebates in the case of
15:48:13 <sbp> 3) the old lady was ASKIN' FER IT
15:48:20 <nsh> oh man
15:48:22 <nsh> if i was old and a lady
15:48:30 <nsh> i would go around the streets
15:48:38 <nsh> trying to make people mug me
15:48:44 <nsh> who severly don't want to
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15:48:49 <nsh> because that would be
15:48:51 <nsh> poetic.
15:48:56 <sbp> then you'd fry their asses with a laser if they actually did it?
15:49:07 <sbp> and (shizzydizzle)
15:49:12 <nsh> i'd spin them into
15:49:14 <nsh> a cocoon
15:49:24 <nsh> with threads of lie
15:49:29 <nsh> and a silk spoon
15:49:50 <sbp> you've got a kind of Japanesistic vibe going on in your modern poetic form there
15:50:15 <sbp> 三十二 = 32 in Japanese
15:50:21 <nsh> it's because i'm vibrating a japanese dude
15:50:34 <sbp> Never Vibrate the Japanese
15:50:41 <sbp> they tend to go off
15:50:51 <nsh> but the power is SPECTACULAR!
15:50:54 <sbp> hehe
15:50:58 <nsh> .gs spectacular *
15:50:59 <phenny> spectacular *: spider (5), peninsulas (4), bid (4), smith (3), midways (3), flaming meteor (3), fireworks (3), tickets (2), specs kea (2), realities (2)
15:51:18 <sbp> .gs the power is *
15:51:19 <phenny> the power is *: yours (4), mine (4), hers (4), turned (3), restored (3), lost (3), exercised (3), unexercised (2), out (2), offline (2), interrupted (2), cosmic (2)
15:51:32 <slavezombie> where's my rhyming dictionary?
15:51:33 <sbp> cosmic is good too
15:51:39 <nsh> THE POWER IS UNEXORCISED!
15:51:43 <sbp> I use rhymezone.com
15:52:08 * nsh remembers a plan he had 10 years ago to build a rapping irc bot
15:52:15 <sbp> <rapbot>!
15:52:20 <nsh> good times
15:52:22 <slavezombie> Thanx sbp
15:52:23 <realist> nsh: I thought about that also
15:52:28 <sbp> <rapbot> shtoom b'FAK, shtoom-toom, b'FAK
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15:52:38 <sbp> <rapbot> RIZZLE DIZZLE schmo-FIZZLE
15:52:40 <sbp> <rapbot> shtoom b'FAK, shtoom-toom, b'FAK
15:52:43 <sbp> <rapbot> shtoom b'FAK, shtoom-toom, b'FAK (jiggy)
15:52:45 <sbp> <rapbot> RIZZLE DIZZLE schmo-FIZZLE
15:52:49 <sbp> <rapbot> shtoom b'FAK, shtoom-toom, b'FAK
15:53:03 <sbp> <rapbot> whatammasayin' man dyfinkinimadizzlebot
15:53:09 <sbp> <rapbot> shtoom b'FAK, shtoom-toom, b'FAK (jiggy!)
15:53:11 <nsh> this shiz hot mang, we shu cut a reca'
15:53:18 <sbp> <rapbot> whatammasayin' man dyfinkinimadizzlebot / cozi-iz-NOT
15:53:52 <_bjoern> .gc lolart
15:53:52 <phenny> lolart: 2,870
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15:57:20 <sbp> [[[
15:57:21 <sbp> The 32-dimensional compounding fields and their quantum interplays in the trigintaduonion
15:57:21 <sbp> space can be presented by analogy with octonion and sedenion electromagnetic, gravitational,
15:57:21 <sbp> strong and weak interactions.
15:57:25 <sbp> ]]] - some random paper
15:57:39 <sbp> (http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=application%2Fpdf&identifier=oai%3AarXiv.org%3A0704.0136)
15:58:22 <nsh> <rapbot> jigga watch me pass dis turin' test, while i'm smokin' on some fine alluring sess, not the kinda bot to be endurin' stress, got me teachin' moar, cos you be learnin' less, you a leachin' whore, who got a burnin' dress, just about as sexy as churnin' eggs
15:59:26 <sbp> ...quite so, Master nsh! in fact, I do recall such an occasion whereupon we had WHATYOEVENRAPPINABOUTFOO
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15:59:33 <sbp> this is kinda neat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreasonable_Effectiveness_of_Mathematics_in_the_Natural_Sciences
15:59:55 <nsh> is the truth that mang cannot but speak
16:00:00 <sbp> summary: we keep working shit out via pure mathematics and then finding applications for it later, and therefore maths isn't just some kind of conceptwank
16:00:33 <sbp> which is contra Lakoff's latest stuff, I suspect
16:00:35 <nsh> yeah, is good essay, ese
16:01:02 <nsh> who dis Lakoff hatah, and what he be dissin'?
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16:01:23 <nsh> XAVIER: ONLY YOU CAN SAVE US NOW
16:02:41 <_bjoern> nu
16:02:56 <nsh> .gc split-complex number porn
16:02:57 <phenny> split-complex number porn: 740
16:03:09 <_bjoern> .gc split-complex number nu porn
16:03:09 <phenny> split-complex number nu porn: 11
16:03:16 <nsh> sbpsaur?
16:03:46 <_bjoern> He's always suddenly absent when we start, then rejoins at the last minute and loses the game. Lately.
16:03:51 <nsh> sbp sbp sbp sbp sbp sbp sbp @ sbp sbp sbp : sbp sbp sbp ! sbp sbp ?
16:04:07 <nsh> .gc split-complex number nu porn challenge
16:04:08 <phenny> split-complex number nu porn challenge: 6
16:04:20 <_bjoern> .gc split-complex number nu porn challenge palm
16:04:21 <phenny> split-complex number nu porn challenge palm: 4
16:04:24 <sbp> hellos
16:04:25 <sbp> aw man
16:04:29 <_bjoern> Like I said.
16:04:31 <nsh> MAEK TEH WORD ADD
16:04:32 <sbp> sorry, I was laughing at this:
16:04:33 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_importance#Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
16:04:41 <sbp> .gc split-complex number nu porn challenge palm chocolates
16:04:42 <phenny> split-complex number nu porn challenge palm chocolates: 0
16:04:47 <sbp> aw, fuckdamnit
16:05:01 <_bjoern> Do you believe it now?
16:05:04 <sbp> I love the first row in Life_stances_and_intrinsic_value
16:05:06 <sbp> yeah
16:05:33 <nsh> oh man
16:05:37 <nsh> EUDAEMONISM
16:05:56 <nsh> that would be a cool cartoon about a creature called the Eudaemon
16:06:10 <nsh> that goes around bringing about happiness through the power of coincidental EVIL
16:08:41 <nsh> [[[
16:08:42 <nsh> It revolutionizes the world of bullets; made from silver, wood, light, Kryptonite, yellow, Vin Diesel, and, most importantly, AIDS. Too many times have people been shot only to recover and live a full life. Multi-purpose bullets will bring that to an end. These bullets can stop vampires, werewolves, evil sentient shadows, Green Lantern, and Superman...if they so happen to exist and so happen to be attacking you or you so happen to be hunting them. Also, you can th
16:08:43 <nsh> Rumored to have been created by Oscar Wilde to battle his arch-rival Tom Cruise.
16:08:47 <nsh> ]]] -http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_that_don%27t_exist,_but_should
16:09:47 <sbp> “Rational Eudæmonism, or tempered Deontologism” is also quite funny
16:10:12 <sbp> can anything bring down Tom Cruise?
16:10:47 <sbp> .wik Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
16:10:48 <phenny> "The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement, or VHEMT (pronounced 'vehement'[1]|), is a movement that calls for the voluntary extinction of the human race." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement
16:10:59 <nsh> .ety vehement
16:10:59 <phenny> "1485, from M.Fr. vehement 'impetuous, ardent,' from L. vehementem (nom. vehemens) 'impetuous, carried away,' perhaps from a lost present middle participle of vehere 'to carry' (see vehicle)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=vehement
16:11:43 * nsh forgot how winful that uncycl article was
16:11:50 <nsh> superwinful, indeed
16:11:58 <sbp> you know why value ethics fails so hard?
16:12:10 <sbp> because it doesn't have cool fucking symbols and rules and shit all up the wazoo like maths does
16:12:17 <sbp> axiology in general is much for the fail because of this
16:12:28 <nsh> quit makin up words
16:12:31 <nsh> .gd axiology
16:12:31 <phenny> axiology: Axiology is the broad study of ethics and aesthetics .
16:12:32 <sbp> nu
16:13:02 <nsh> if i has nothing to with axes axels and ax of horrific violence
16:13:06 <nsh> then it's not the real axiology
16:13:21 <nsh> oh man, "the axe of horrific violence" would be awesome
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16:14:08 <nsh> XAVIER, ARMED WITH HIS AXE OF HORRIFIC VIOLENCE GOES OFF INTO THE SUNSET, SEEKING PREEMPTIVE RETRIBUTION FROM THE WORLD
16:14:15 <sbp> hehe
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16:14:55 * nsh chuxelles hard at "Crocodile with crocodile for limbs"
16:15:27 <xover> A Swan! WIth a Duck-shaped Penis!
16:15:56 <xover> Which the Queen is gagging for!
16:16:00 <nsh> Ethical tesselation would be cool
16:16:05 <xover> The Swan! Not the Penis!
16:16:18 * nsh starts The Institute for Ethical Tesselation and applies for some grants
16:16:25 <nsh> *tessellation, evens
16:17:04 <sbp> “Renowned psychiatrist Victor Frankl’s premise is that ‘man’s search for meaning’ is the primary motivation of his life. He speaks of the ‘will to meaning’ as opposed to Freud’s’ ‘will to pleasure’ and Friedrich Nietzsche’s ‘will to power’.”
16:17:21 <sbp> will to pleasure = hedonism...
16:18:04 <nsh> is saus whut?
16:18:05 <sbp> power and meaning don't seem to hav