00:05:01 <nsh> what's this jibbajabba?
00:05:20 <nslater> nothing much, just some simple software I'm working on
00:09:07 <zachb> heh
00:09:57 <nslater> whats funny mr laugh man?
00:10:19 <zachb> "simple"
00:10:36 <zachb> I serioulsy thing I should work on that brainfuck language using my "heh" mannerisms
00:10:50 <nslater> well, it is simple, you have to remember we're in a channel where Arnia is building SkyNet ;)
00:10:50 <zachb> heh, ha, haha, hehe, :P, XD -- there you go
00:11:32 <zachb> and I'm building twoot!
00:11:40 <nslater> oh lawd, please dont
00:14:49 <nslater> the plot to terminator is actually pretty cool, shame about the movies
00:16:56 <zachb> hmm
00:17:46 <_bjoern> .gc Ẍ
00:17:47 <phenny> Ẍ: 3,290,000,000
00:17:59 <nslater> .u Ẍ
00:18:00 <phenny> U+1E8C LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X WITH DIAERESIS (Ẍ)
00:18:09 <nslater> it looks like a little man
00:18:20 <_bjoern> You know interesting men.
00:18:30 <nslater> is that a come on?
00:18:42 <_bjoern> I thought it's your coming out.
00:18:42 <zachb> probably
00:24:16 * Arnia cries
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00:41:27 <zachb> [[[
00:45:27 <jeffarch> .gc FN23xh
00:45:27 <phenny> FN23xh: 1
00:46:07 <_bjoern> ]]]
00:49:24 * jeffarch wonders how long that pointer to himself will last
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01:02:59 <nsh> .gd ectomorphic
01:03:00 <phenny> ectomorphic: having a build with little fat or muscle but with long limbs
01:03:13 <_bjoern> .gc ectomorphic porn
01:03:15 <phenny> ectomorphic porn: 1,990
01:03:47 <nsh> .gc entomorphic tundra porn
01:03:47 <phenny> entomorphic tundra porn: 0
01:03:54 <nsh> :-/
01:03:59 <nsh> .gc tundra porn
01:03:59 <_bjoern> .gc ectomorphic unimorphic porn
01:03:59 <phenny> tundra porn: 145,000
01:04:00 <phenny> ectomorphic unimorphic porn: 0
01:04:18 <_bjoern> .gc ectomorphic pneumatic porn
01:04:19 <Monty> ...quite so, imaginary, quat, oct, sed... 32 next?
01:04:19 <phenny> ectomorphic pneumatic porn: 249
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01:04:48 <_bjoern> Speaking of it, why is nslater back?
01:04:52 <_bjoern> xover kicked him.
01:05:03 <_bjoern> few dare return after xover's kick.
01:05:07 <nslater> hmm?
01:05:15 <nslater> speaking of what?
01:05:35 <_bjoern> It's a prefix commonly used to interject something entirely unrelated.
01:05:43 <_bjoern> In that it is similar to "by the way".
01:07:10 <Arnia> Front?
01:07:20 <Arnia> When did nslater get kicked?
01:07:28 <nslater> for mentioning the F word
01:07:34 * nslater winks
01:07:38 <_bjoern> Oh when he was trading liberty for freedom I think.
01:09:43 <Arnia> ah
01:11:54 <thelsdj> "Sapien Death Match is an MBC Production. The giant robots depicted in this program are not actual Sentinels. Real Sentinels and other agents of the House of M connot be defeated by sapiens and should never be resisted. Please do not try these stunts at home." -- Iron Man: House of M #1
01:12:34 <_bjoern> I thought you'd say Wikipedia
01:22:00 <Arnia> Right. My new strategy is to not use OpenNARS at all for this experiment and just use the graph-theoretic characterisation of NARS
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02:26:09 <zachb> Hmm
02:26:15 <zachb> Arnia: how much time do you have/
02:26:17 <zachb> *?
02:28:27 <Arnia> Wednesday
02:28:34 <zachb> O_O
02:28:38 <Arnia> To finish the entire paper, so I need this working within the next day
02:28:48 <zachb> Yeah... wow
02:28:48 <Arnia> Oh, most of the paper is written
02:28:54 <zachb> still
02:29:20 <Arnia> Hm. I'm getting appalling precision rates out of the NARS tagger
02:29:36 <Arnia> But I sort of anticipated that
02:31:22 <Arnia> zachb: oh, if I finish this today then that deadline is more than doable
02:32:18 <zachb> hmm
02:32:29 <zachb> when does `today`end?
02:32:39 * nslater wibbles?
02:33:12 <zachb> I don't know if today's Saturday or Sunday over there...
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02:38:39 <Arnia> Sunday
02:40:39 <zachb> Ah
02:40:44 <zachb> so okay, then
02:42:26 <Arnia> Ok, I'm now getting more reasonable results.
02:42:42 <zachb> Whoo!!!!
02:43:01 <procto> how's this for preliminary version: http://djiyo.com/
02:43:26 <procto> web typography makes me cry
02:43:29 <Arnia> Yeah... Now I just have to set it up with a suite of experiments and let it run
02:43:48 <procto> if only I could link rel to fonts
02:44:52 <zachb> are "what" and "how" supposed to overlap?
02:45:19 <zachb> procto: yeah, I'd be nice if you could put up font files online...
02:48:19 <Arnia> procto: you can, sort of
02:48:32 <Arnia> Encourage everyone to use a WebKit based browser :p
02:50:34 <procto> heh
02:50:54 <procto> Arnia: how's that site look for you?
02:50:58 <procto> nothing too atrocious
02:51:10 <procto> atm want to make sure no font catastrophes
02:51:16 <Arnia> The fonts are a bit small
02:51:58 <procto> ah, that's usually how I like it. probably because I have a large screen. i'll switch that off
02:52:19 <Arnia> I don't have the world's best eyesight, and I find it uncomfortable
02:52:32 <procto> now?
02:52:45 <Arnia> Better
02:52:48 <procto> the fonts just stop being nice and skinny
02:53:44 <procto> are the headings what and how interfering with your ability to read the rest of the text?
02:55:18 <zachb> I use WebKit now :D YAY
02:57:12 <Arnia> procto: to a degree, yes. The font is too fine to have such a reduction in contrast, and the noise of the background text
02:57:48 <procto> made the backgournd text lighter
02:57:58 <procto> going to make it a tad larger to compensate
02:58:52 <Arnia> Hm...
02:58:55 <Arnia> .title http://webkit.org/blog/164/background-clip-text/
02:58:56 <phenny> Arnia: Surfin’ Safari - Blog Archive » background-clip: text
02:59:06 <Arnia> Wasn't aware they'd added that
02:59:29 <Arnia> I'm pleased they're working on adding XBL2 support, and a new bytecode-based Javascript interpreter
02:59:51 <Arnia> Oh, and a three month bugfix of CSS1 and CSS2.1 bugs which remain
03:00:14 <Arnia> I wish someone was working on paged media however
03:00:48 <Arnia> And CSS 3 Generated Content and at least one of the layout specs
03:02:24 <Arnia> procto: play on colour contrast a bit more and you can avoid the unreadable light grey
03:02:36 <procto> hmm
03:03:05 <procto> Arnia: what's that bg clip supposed to be? I get background in opera (css3 compatible iirc)
03:03:09 <procto> but not firefox
03:03:18 <procto> not sure what is different
03:03:34 <Arnia> procto: background-clip is used to clip backgrounds to another render item
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03:03:49 <procto> whot deus clip mean?
03:03:52 <procto> does
03:03:59 <Arnia> procto: mask, sort of
03:03:59 <procto> as opposed to just having a bg?
03:04:02 <Arnia> Clipping path
03:04:19 <procto> oh, so that the text itself will be background colored?
03:04:35 <Arnia> procto: WebKit supports a fourth sort of background-clip, text, which means that the background shows only inside the paths generated by the text
03:04:44 <procto> ah, I see
03:04:55 <Arnia> procto: not just coloured; whatever the background is set to
03:05:10 <Arnia> (so image, gradient, colour)
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03:06:33 <Monty> Thank goodness, JibbyBot is back!
03:06:57 <procto> Arnia: right
03:07:04 <procto> so opera doesn't do that yet
03:07:27 <Arnia> no
03:07:48 <Arnia> WebKit are proposing most of these extensions (where it makes sense) to the CSS-WG
03:08:03 <Arnia> And they're trying to get other implementers onside
03:08:39 <Arnia> (the ones which don't make sense are the Apple application specific ones like dashboard-region, or some of the UI things)
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03:11:43 <Arnia> Other nice things include text-stroke and stackable backgrounds
03:11:54 <Arnia> (you can add multiple backgrounds to a single box)
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03:33:28 <Arnia> Half an hour until the experiment suite finishes and I can see whether it has worked
03:33:32 * Arnia sighs
03:33:41 <Arnia> Actually, probably closer to 45 minutes
03:34:43 <Arnia> Then I need to try and remember all my R knowledge so that I can create the graphs I need :)
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03:40:22 <Monty> howdy, aguai
03:40:43 <aguai> Monty: hi
03:40:46 <Monty> #132 posted by Omar Faruk Tekbilek
03:41:13 <aguai> JibbyBot: are you bot as well?
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04:35:56 <Arnia> .c 100*(100000/5000)/60
04:35:57 <phenny> (100 * (100 000 / 5 000)) / 60 = 33.3333333
04:36:11 <Arnia> .c 100*(100000/5000)*3/60
04:36:12 <phenny> (100 * (100 000 / 5 000) * 3) / 60 = 100
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05:26:17 <aguai> .c 100+4
05:26:17 <phenny> 100 + 4 = 104
05:26:21 <aguai> cool
05:26:47 <aguai> ...
05:26:55 <aguai> phenny: ...
05:27:12 <aguai> phenny: .c log(18)
05:27:21 <aguai> .c log(18)
05:27:21 <phenny> log(18) = 1.25527251
05:27:41 <aguai> .c exp(2.8)
05:27:42 <phenny> exp(2.8) = 16.4446468
05:27:42 <Monty> "1587, 'second person of getting wound up font files up withun one other day, Rumbaugh used the dog bite the Internet"
05:28:15 <aguai> .c 3/0
05:28:15 <phenny> aguai: Sorry, no result.
05:36:45 <Arnia> Still running
05:39:13 <Arnia> 2hr 50min later...
05:44:46 <Arnia> On the plus side, I have been playing with logos for our research group
06:16:16 <Arnia> 3hr 30min
06:16:29 <Arnia> Good grief... didn't expect it to be this slow :/
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06:49:36 <sbp> YO
06:49:53 <realist> SARP?
06:59:09 <sbp> “On 31 October 1992, Pope John Paul II expressed regret for how the Galileo affair was handled, and officially conceded that the Earth was not stationary, as the result of a study conducted by the Pontifical Council for Culture.” - ehwhat?, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo
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08:00:17 <sbp> [[[
08:00:18 <sbp> The Internet is an amalgam of forms blurred under epistemological pressures. In Søren Kierkegaard’s words, under this flat shower of leveled information, where everybody is interested in everything and nothing is too trivial or too important, people just accumulate information and postpone decisions indefinitely, i.e., nobody takes action and nobody is responsible for truth — there is no mastery, just gossip.
08:00:25 <sbp> He called this the æsthetic sphere of existence, exhorting us to evolve to the ethical sphere, where we do not just accumulate information but take action and make commitments. Blogs are instruments to overcome flatness by creating opportunities for vertical activities.
08:00:32 <sbp> In this sense this blog is a view from my window — a collection of tidbits I judged relevant to computational color science and in general to the promotion of scientific excellence in areas of strategic importance for the future of research, economy and society.
08:00:36 <sbp> ]]] - http://h20325.www2.hp.com/blogs/color/archive/2007/10/29/4914.html
08:00:38 <_bjoern> nu
08:00:41 <sbp> that's... some blog statement
08:00:44 <sbp> u?
08:00:50 <_bjoern> mebbe
08:02:01 <sbp> -> http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Nathan_Moroney/color-name-hpl.html
08:02:04 <sbp> .title
08:02:05 <phenny> sbp: HP Labs : People Pages : Color Naming Experiment
08:03:14 <sbp> man, I can't think of a word for the third one
08:03:34 <_bjoern> "none"?
08:04:03 <_bjoern> That's what I got anyway, but you get random ones each time.
08:05:33 <sbp> 996666
08:11:32 <sbp> [[[
08:11:33 <sbp> You all know that I invented a special language with a view to avoiding vagueness, but unfortunately it is unsuited for public occasions. I shall, therefore, though regretfully, address you in English, and whatever vagueness is to be found in my words must be attributed to our ancestors for not having been predominantly interested in logic.
08:11:37 <sbp> ]]] - Bertrand Russell
08:12:49 * Arnia rolls his eyes
08:12:59 <Arnia> Sometimes I do feel like nuking Russell
08:14:51 <sbp> “I once knew a man called Ebenezer Wilkes Smith, and I decline to believe that anybody else ever had this name.” - Russell
08:15:55 <sbp> I think you'd rather agree with the gist of this paper...
08:16:00 <sbp> http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/Russell/vagueness/
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08:19:19 <sbp> “Science is perpetually trying to substitute more precise beliefs for vague ones; this makes it harder for a scientific proposition to be true than for the vague beliefs of uneducated persons to be true, but it makes scientific truth better worth having if it can be obtained.”
08:21:17 <sbp> I'm reading this because I just don't get the sorites paradox
08:21:22 <sbp> I mean, I don't get what makes it a paradox
08:21:24 <sbp> -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox#Proposed_resolutions
08:22:07 <sbp> it seems that people are getting confused in trying to obtain an objective limit from what is essentially a consensus based and dynamic link between a state and a description
08:22:46 <sbp> I mean, of all these “proposed resolutions”, even the ones which are most inclined towards understanding the latter then try to *use* it to “settle” the problem by providing a limit, or some quantity
08:23:22 <sbp> which really links in closely with what Russell says about precise and vague beliefs
08:24:09 <sbp> we're (well, not me; they're) trying to establish more precise beliefs about what constitutes a heap, and doing so in such a way which is somewhat comic
08:24:12 <Arnia> sbp: I'm really too tired to explain right now :) I can give you a pointer though; it is to do with discrete and continuous systems
08:24:37 <sbp> hmm?
08:24:46 <Arnia> sbp: Sorites
08:25:06 <sbp> do you disagree with what I just said, then?
08:25:20 <Arnia> Sort of, yes
08:25:42 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 60 minutes to watch Countryfile
08:25:43 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sun Apr 27 11:00:33 BST 2008
08:25:43 <Arnia> It turns up just because of the mapping of a continuous space to a discrete class
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08:25:49 <Arnia> s/class/space
08:26:07 <sbp> well that seems somewhat obvious, and not at all inconsistent with what I just said
08:26:54 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 57 minutes to understand that Countryfile is on soon
08:26:56 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sun Apr 27 10:58:45 BST 2008
08:27:11 <Arnia> Most importantly, the mapping must be topologically continuous
08:27:27 <Arnia> and commute with inferences
08:27:31 <sbp> eh?
08:27:52 <Arnia> The mapping from the space of heights to the space of truth values
08:28:08 <sbp> heights of a heap?
08:28:23 <Arnia> Oh, I know Sorites in terms of heights of people
08:28:30 <sbp> okay
08:28:45 <sbp> the space of truth values in that "X is tall" is true or false?
08:29:51 <sbp> sorry, I'm pushing you to explain even though you're tired :-)
08:29:56 <Arnia> Well, it is a boolean algebra
08:29:59 <Arnia> (the space)
08:30:10 <Arnia> Not just two points
08:30:32 <Arnia> The paradox comes about from trying to determine the mapping
08:30:47 <sbp> so you're talking about “Truth gaps, gluts, and many-valued logics” in the resolutions sections?
08:31:04 <Arnia> If you start at one point, you end up with one mapping. You start at another point, you end up with another
08:31:22 <sbp> sure, the mapping depends on place and person and circumstance I would have thought
08:31:29 <Arnia> Quite similar (at least viscerally) to Riemann surfaces
08:31:36 <Arnia> (with branch-points, etc.)
08:31:53 * sbp re-notes: <sbp> it seems that people are getting confused in trying to obtain an objective limit from what is essentially a consensus based and dynamic link between a state and a description
08:32:00 <Arnia> sbp: no, the mapping is far more paradoxical than mere subjectivity
08:32:07 <sbp> how so?
08:32:36 <Arnia> sbp: the mapping depends on which end you start calculating from. A completely objective system depends entirely on which point it assigns first.
08:32:45 <cre8radix> moin
08:32:48 <Arnia> That shouldn't happen in logics, because of the way they work
08:33:07 <Arnia> It shouldn't matter which point you start constructing the mapping from.
08:33:44 <Arnia> But it does; using exactly the same rules (beliefs), you get completely different results which many would consider to be 'wrong' anyway
08:33:46 <sbp> “the mapping depends on which end you start calculating from” - isn't that just a form of subjectivity? I mean, if it depends on the person and the place and the circumstance, then “which end you start from” is merely a circumstance, and hence part of the subjectivity definition. I don't see what is extra-specially paradoxical about that
08:34:16 <Arnia> We're working in an objectivist semantics
08:34:37 <sbp> I'm not! :-)
08:34:45 <Arnia> The paradox is defined in such
08:34:58 <Arnia> It shouldn't matter whether I start here or there, I should get the same result if I'm using the same rules.
08:35:02 <sbp> right. that's what I don't get about it
08:35:28 <Arnia> It is like Russell's Paradox, which is only defined in set-theories without type-theory
08:35:45 <Arnia> Doesn't stop it being a paradox. But any paradox is only defined up to axioms
08:35:53 <sbp> ooh. hmm
08:36:27 <sbp> so you can't just say, "to resolve this, use a relativist semantics"?
08:36:53 <Arnia> No
08:37:01 <sbp> huh. înteresting
08:37:04 <Arnia> That's missing the point
08:37:50 <Arnia> It isn't a resolution. It is an answer, but generally logicians (like any other conservative group) will try to fix things in the system they're working in before they consider throwing it all away.
08:38:10 <sbp> so I guess it's more about the application of logic, which logic you use in which situation and why?
08:38:29 <Arnia> Yes
08:39:05 <sbp> one of the things I've been thinking about lately is how we tend to move between relativist and objectivist models of things
08:39:21 <sbp> prescriptivism and descriptivism in lexicography is a good example
08:39:41 <sbp> (desc = rel, presc = obj)
08:40:17 <sbp> thanks. that's been very helpful
08:40:29 <Arnia> np
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09:08:16 <_bjoern> .wik Plonk
09:08:16 <phenny> "Plonk is a Usenet jargon term for adding a particular poster to one's kill file such that the poster's future postings are completely ignored." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk
09:23:58 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you to understand that Countryfile is on soon
09:25:58 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you to watch Countryfile
09:27:32 <sbp> thanks Monty!
09:27:33 <Monty> specifically
09:29:43 <_bjoern> Monty: You asked me to remind you to remind sbp to watch Countryfile
09:29:46 <Monty> We got it. Ideally I always doin' it isn't
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10:28:40 <xover> .gc plonk
10:28:41 <phenny> plonk: 1,030,000
10:28:44 <xover> .gc plink
10:28:44 <phenny> plink: 1,080,000
10:28:57 <xover> .gc killfile
10:28:58 <phenny> killfile: 700,000
10:29:14 <_bjoern> .gcs "Your name is on my list" "You are on my list"
10:29:14 <xover> .comp netnews usenet
10:29:15 <phenny> "You are on my list" (30,200), "Your name is on my list" (10,400)
10:29:16 <phenny> usenet (51,200,000), netnews (3,380,000)
10:29:36 <xover> .comp janet fidonet arpanet internet
10:29:38 <phenny> internet (2,200,000,000), janet (61,400,000), arpanet (1,550,000), fidonet (1,090,000)
10:29:54 <_bjoern> .gc bbs
10:29:54 <phenny> bbs: 967,000,000
10:34:32 <cre8radix> _bjoern: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0W0s4SlwjQ
10:36:00 <_bjoern> I shall click on it against my better judgement!
10:36:21 <cre8radix> you'll enjoy it
10:36:29 <realist> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0W0s4SlwjQ
10:36:30 <phenny> realist: YouTube - joseph boys - msg3
10:36:54 <realist> phenny saved me from a rick roll the other day!
10:36:59 <cre8radix> :D
10:37:09 <cre8radix> yeah
10:37:24 <cre8radix> she finds out even if you use tinyurl
10:37:32 <cre8radix> just takes more time
10:37:49 <_bjoern> it would be a lot better if he wouldn't laugh at the beginning!
10:38:11 <_bjoern> .gc Gedankenkontrollelite
10:38:12 <phenny> Gedankenkontrollelite: 0
10:38:49 <cre8radix> hrhr
10:41:03 <cre8radix> _bjoern: there are 3 other msgs
10:41:15 <cre8radix> schneewittchen für alle!
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10:50:34 <_bjoern> That's indeed the best one of the lot.
10:54:10 <_bjoern> this is awesome http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824511
11:06:13 <_bjoern> .gc +Wine32
11:06:14 <phenny> +Wine32: 566
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12:23:34 <Monty> howdy, nsh
12:27:45 <nsh> what's all this non-jibbajabba?
12:29:49 <aspect> phenny: tell Monty to tell plum to talk to nsh before he explodes
12:29:49 <phenny> aspect: I'll pass that on when Monty is around.
12:29:51 <Monty> microwaves == opinion column;
12:29:51 <phenny> Monty: 13:02Z <aspect> tell Monty to tell plum to talk to nsh before he explodes
12:29:52 <plum> anyone know how to do to see if my phenny bots are running. lmao
12:29:52 <Monty> therein lies in Kent countryside going as -c at this!
12:29:54 <Monty> See what I've conceived of writing, mode
12:29:54 <plum> yes, but why do you monty? monty the monty monty?
12:29:56 <_bjoern> nu
12:29:57 <Monty> It seems that Boris Yeltsin is tearful >:)
12:30:29 <nsh> oh no! who up set Yeltsin, Monty?!?
12:30:30 <Monty> Are you saying no just to be negative?
12:30:32 <nsh> *upset
12:30:55 <nsh> Monty, mostly.
12:31:01 <Monty> (is where we had never had success making me root cause of background-clip, text, which many complaints "Alf" got.
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12:31:03 <Monty> Thank goodness, jeffarch is back!
12:31:30 <sbp> eggs visible! http://g.photos.cx/nestz6we4f-pagoijarg-9a.jpg
12:31:49 * nsh wonders what complaints the show Alf got
12:31:54 <nsh> that would be a good archive to have
12:32:05 <nsh> wasn't he the scary-ass anteater type one?
12:32:15 <nsh> .wik Alf television show
12:32:17 <phenny> "ALF is a 30-minute television sitcom that originally ran on NBC from 1986 to 1990." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALF_(TV_series)
12:32:28 <nsh> i'm sure there was something fucked up about it
12:32:56 <nsh> oh god
12:33:11 <nsh> yeah, that was one scary-ass freakin' costume
12:33:32 * aspect habitually moves the hyphen to the right
12:33:49 <nsh> it probably had flaps in the right places
12:34:07 <aspect> .gs "ass *"
12:34:08 <phenny> ass *: n titties (4), worship (3), video (3), to (3), rammed (3), in (3), crack (3), clown (3), tgp (2), stinks (2), on (2), of (2), movies (2), licking (2)
12:34:26 <aspect> bad choice
12:34:34 <aspect> .gs "scary ass *"
12:34:35 <phenny> scary ass *: clown (5), movie (4), norputos (3), mofo (3), creatures (3), cracka (3), aphext (3), shit (2), niggas (2), mother-fucker (2), lickin (2), lames (2)
12:34:36 <Monty> potty mouth!
12:35:28 * nsh contemplates
12:35:51 <aspect> Monty, I prefer ass-clown
12:35:54 <Monty> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-26#T18-43-09
12:36:03 <aspect> .gs "scary arse *"
12:36:04 <phenny> scary arse *: bike (5), sh (4), reversed (3), neighborhoods (3), youtube clips (2), vamp (2), picture (2), b (2)
12:48:29 <nsh> Dexter keeps losing points
12:48:33 <xover> <insert random interjection in all uppercase here>
12:48:50 <nsh> annoying english-accent bitch == not cool
12:48:56 <_bjoern> You should prefix with <NOTE TO LOG EDITOR: >
12:49:05 <xover> Oh, right.
12:49:13 <xover> loggy: pointer?
12:49:13 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-27#T12-49-13
12:49:52 <sbp> even better egg view: http://g.photos.cx/nestz6we4f-oiarojia-fb.jpg
12:49:54 <xover> phenny: tell sbp Please edit logs at <http://swhack.com/logs/2008-04-27#T12-49-13> as instructed inline. k thx.
12:49:54 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
13:15:19 <nsh> .wik grex
13:15:20 <phenny> "Grex, a public access Unix system that is operated by Cyberspace Communications." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grex
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13:23:13 <nsh> man, i hope he kills that bitch
13:24:15 <nsh> .wik Jamie Murray
13:24:15 <phenny> "James Murray, 2nd Duke of Atholl (1690–1764), Whig MP and lord of the Isle of Man from 1736–1764" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Murray
13:24:35 * nsh choxelles
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13:26:26 <Monty> hey Arnia
13:32:48 <xover> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/25/getting-baked-before.html
13:32:48 <phenny> xover: Getting baked before shooting AKs at the Taliban: a bad idea. - Boing Boing
13:35:24 <sbp> referer: [Hapland for cheatin bastards]
13:37:27 <Arnia> E_EXPERIMENT_TOO_SLOW
13:40:24 <sbp> .title http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/04/26/210230.shtml
13:40:25 <phenny> sbp: Slashdot | Is Mathematics Discovered Or Invented?
13:42:16 <sbp> ‘He pitches his idea of "literate programming" which I must admit I've never heard of but find it intriguing.’
13:42:20 <sbp> never heard of?!
13:44:45 <nsh> ARRGHGHRHGHGHRHHR
13:45:12 <nsh> wai yu maek me read the stoopid, sbp
13:45:43 * nsh defecates all over that slashdot thread
13:47:17 <Arnia> My position: axioms are invented, theorems are discovered.
13:47:38 <sbp> .title http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/31392/title/Still_debating_with_Plato
13:47:39 <phenny> sbp: Science News / Still Debating With Plato
13:47:46 <sbp> nsh: read that instead then
13:47:52 <sbp> I can't guarantee it'll be any less stupid
13:48:16 <_bjoern> what's the image max height for bmp and png?
13:50:03 <sbp> [[[
13:50:04 <sbp> Yet I think that a few programs, such as Adobe Photoshop, will always be superior to competitors like the Gimp—for some reason, I really don’t know why! I’m quite willing to pay good money for really good software, if I believe that it has been produced by the best programmers.
13:50:10 <sbp> ]]] - Knuth, http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1193856
13:50:21 <nsh> ARGHHGGH
13:50:33 * nsh reconsiders hermitage
13:51:22 <aspect> _bjoern: as in 2^31-1 for BMP indicated by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP_file_format#BMP_file_header ?
13:52:21 <aspect> heh. that interview had me by turns smiling and grimacing
13:52:48 <sbp> “when I prepare the third edition of Volume 3 I plan to rip out much of the material about how to sort on magnetic tapes. That stuff was once one of the hottest topics in the whole software field, but now it largely wastes paper when the book is printed” - Knuth, ibid.
13:54:24 <sbp> “I’m not motivated to learn Esperanto even though it might be preferable to English and German and French and Russian (if everybody switched)” - eh?
13:54:56 <Arnia> Someone uses logical positivism to make a point even now?
13:54:58 <Arnia> Good grief
13:56:20 <sbp> oh man:
13:56:22 <sbp> “My general working style is to write everything first with pencil and paper, sitting beside a big wastebasket. Then I use Emacs to enter the text into my machine, using the conventions of TeX.”
13:57:00 <sbp> “I designed my own bitmap font for use with Emacs, because I hate the way the ASCII apostrophe and the left open quote have morphed into independent symbols that no longer match each other visually.”
13:57:29 <sbp> (*left*?)
13:58:12 <aspect> as opposed to the open quote you use in RTL
13:58:31 <sbp> RTL?
13:58:37 <sbp> heh, so many great quotes in this
13:58:39 <sbp> “I currently use Ubuntu Linux, on a standalone laptop—it has no Internet connection. I occasionally carry flash memory drives between this machine and the Macs that I use for network surfing and graphics; but I trust my family jewels only to Linux.”
13:58:49 <aspect> `elpmaxe rof esarhp siht'
13:59:24 <zachb> heh
14:02:05 <sbp> [[[
14:02:05 <sbp> President Bush also put forward mock excuses on behalf of the Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
14:02:05 <sbp> Taking a jibe at controversies which have dogged their campaigns, he said: "Hillary Clinton couldn't get in because of sniper fire and Senator Obama's at church."
14:02:10 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7369510.stm
14:02:33 <sbp> hahaha. almost missed the best bit:
14:02:36 <sbp> ‘Vice-President Dick Cheney, Mr Ferguson said, "is already moving out of his residence. It takes longer than you think to pack up an entire dungeon".’
14:03:56 * nsh chux
14:05:50 <sbp> http://bp3.blogger.com/_JTPKWPsrf74/SBOJmxKrArI/AAAAAAAAAZY/o6E3wB7i8nI/s1600-h/zeppelin-v-pterodactyls.jpg
14:09:00 <realist> [[[
14:09:05 <realist> I am just sick of this story: people are willing to reveal their passwords for a bar of chocolate. I haven't seen any indication they actually verified that the passwords are real. I would certainly give up a fake password for a bar of chocolate....
14:09:19 <realist> ]]] - http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/04/giving_up_passw.html
14:13:15 <sbp> hmm
14:13:17 <sbp> [[[
14:13:17 <sbp> Hippasus, a disciple of Pythagoras, showed that the diagonal of a unit square was incommensurable with its (unit-length) edge: in other words he proved there was no existing (rational) number that accurately depicts the proportion of the diagonal of the unit square to its edge. This caused a significant re-evaluation of Greek philosophy of mathematics. According to legend, fellow Pythagoreans were so traumatized by this discovery that they murdered Hippasus to sto
14:13:17 <sbp> p him from spreading his heretical idea.
14:13:22 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mathematics
14:14:55 <Arnia> sbp: you hadn't heard that story before?
14:17:12 <nsh> a good example of your
14:17:16 <nsh> temporal provincialism
14:18:00 <nsh> god this bitch's accent is starting to really grate
14:20:11 <sbp> Arnia: I think I heard it (and reported it) on Swhack just the other day
14:20:28 <sbp> but from a different perspective
14:20:44 <sbp> yeah, here:
14:20:44 <sbp> 2008-04-26 16:31:57 <sbp> Pythagoras (and his entire philosophical school of the Pythagoreans) believed in the literal reality of numbers. The discovery of the existence of irrational numbers was a shock to them—they considered the existence of numbers not expressible as the ratio of two natural numbers to be a flaw in nature.
14:20:59 <sbp> yesterday, in fact. heh
14:21:18 <sbp> no mention of Hippasus there
14:21:56 <sbp> Philosophy_of_mathematics is funberries
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14:43:14 <nsh> .gd impredicative
14:43:14 <phenny> impredicative: In mathematics, impredicativity is the property of a self-referencing definition. More precisely, a definition is said to be impredicative if it ...
14:43:22 <nsh> .wik Impredicativity
14:43:22 <phenny> "In mathematics and logic, impredicativity is the property of a self-referencing definition." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impredicativity
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14:57:45 * nsh frowns
14:58:24 <nsh> why do people not "get" things?
14:58:57 <sbp> normally stupidity, disability, or illness are factors
14:59:07 <nsh> it's much easier to understand the reasons people come to conclusions than to understand the reasons they don't
14:59:08 <sbp> but cultural and environmental factors can also play their part
15:02:28 <nsh> damnit
15:02:36 * nslater wibbles
15:03:25 <nsh> it's so annoying reading discussions on the internet
15:04:33 <nsh> they (participants of such discussions) co-opt part of my imaginespace for the hypothetical retroactive chaperoning of their relative inabilities to understand the senses of each others statements
15:04:38 <Arnia> nsh: remember, many of them would be thinking along the same lines about you
15:04:38 <nsh> it's fucking painful sometimes
15:04:49 <sbp> man, there ought to be a universal technique for making a talk interesting even when it's a boring subject
15:04:51 * nsh smiles
15:04:56 <nsh> i don't post to the internet.
15:05:13 <sbp> Jim Morrison's Miami technique doesn't really count
15:06:58 <zachb> Arnia: how's your thing going?
15:07:01 <sbp> more generally, I hate doing things which seem like they ought to be worthwhile but somehow I can't spin to be so. it's like... there's an obvious low-hanging fruit here and I can't even see it, let alone reach it
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15:11:05 <jsled> [[[
15:11:07 <jsled> […] - and it is not inappropriate to an organisation that’s looking to have a firm grip on Government spend.”
15:11:12 <jsled> ]]] - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/24/nogc124.xml
15:11:25 <nsh> what?
15:11:49 <nsh> was that a nouning of "spend"?
15:12:07 <jsled> oh, sure. That's been used for a long time.
15:12:18 <jsled> Of course, the focus here is more on "firm grip", methinks.
15:12:52 * nsh smiles
15:13:14 <nsh> ah, the beauty of context :-)
15:13:34 <sbp> .gc "big spend"
15:13:35 <phenny> "big spend": 28,500
15:13:44 <sbp> go out and perform the big spend
15:13:44 <jsled> .gc "advertising spend"
15:13:45 <phenny> "advertising spend": 121,000
15:14:16 * nsh frowns
15:14:16 <nsh> that's still bad usage
15:14:47 <nsh> "government spend" has an inherent particularity
15:15:17 <nsh> like "spree", or "rush"
15:16:10 <nsh> and so should be preceded by an article
15:16:27 <nsh> or, in this case, spending ought to have been used
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15:32:19 <Arnia> zachb: uh, not well
15:32:35 <Arnia> zachb: restarted because it miswrote the file :p
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15:32:46 <Arnia> (yay bugs)
15:32:58 <Arnia> I've changed the experimental set up to make it a bit faster
15:33:08 <Arnia> (say, LOTS faster)
15:33:35 <kpreid> any possibility of storing intermediate states so if it miswrites you can rerun less?
15:33:50 <Arnia> Not that I have time to figure out
15:34:29 <Arnia> I now have... 500 data points rather than the 20 000 I was generating before
15:34:42 <Arnia> Which is a shame, but I just don't have time for the larger set
15:35:31 <Louie`> If i make my own modules for phenny, where do I need to import the module?
15:35:34 <Arnia> And yeah, I know more points don't make a better experiment, but I was trying to amortise the noise caused by the random bits of the experiment
15:43:23 <zachb> Arnia: holy crap
15:43:37 <zachb> Good luck... again
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15:52:50 <ragsagar> hi phenny
15:52:50 <phenny> Hey ragsagar!
15:53:03 <ragsagar> .wik phenny
15:53:05 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "phenny".
15:53:09 <zachb> Hello ragsagar!
15:53:17 <ragsagar> hi zachb
15:53:53 <zachb> Hello ragsagar!
15:54:14 <ragsagar> hello zachb
15:54:20 <zachb> Hello ragsagar!
15:54:57 <Arnia> zachb: And again
15:55:04 * Arnia drums his fingers
15:55:11 <zachb> acetarium being where the gnu gettext thanks file
15:55:13 <Arnia> This is what happens when one codes when exhausted
15:55:24 <Louie`> If i create a module for phenny, where do I need to edit to load it?
15:55:34 <ragsagar> anyone from hardy now?
15:55:45 <Arnia> Louie`: just put it in the right directory I think
15:55:50 <kpreid> Louie`: what Arnia said
15:56:15 <Louie`> sweet.
15:56:35 <Louie`> Any kind of import needed in the new module?
15:57:56 <kpreid> I would look at the existing modules
16:03:38 <_bjoern> zachb you are again generating those zero width spaces...
16:03:51 <_bjoern> I suppose this always happens if you copy and paste something?
16:04:03 <zachb> at least the flavor supported by gnu make and other sophisticated versions of make.
16:04:14 <sbp> presumably it's acting as a BOM?
16:04:33 <_bjoern> .u
16:04:33 <phenny> U+FEFF ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE ()
16:04:36 <_bjoern> possibly yes
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16:13:50 <zachb> hmm is it there now?
16:13:54 <zachb> now?
16:13:59 <zachb> now?
16:14:11 <sbp> .bytes <zachb> hmm is it there now?
16:14:12 <phenny> sbp: '<zachb> hmm is it there now?'
16:14:31 <sbp> compare:
16:14:34 <sbp> .bytes <zachb> Hello ragsagar!
16:14:34 <phenny> sbp: '<zachb> \xef\xbb\xbfHello ragsagar!'
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16:14:48 <sbp> as _bjoern observes, it appears to be when you paste
16:14:56 <sbp> or when you up-arrow through your chat history
16:15:00 <_bjoern> It's not in "hmm is it there now?" but the lines following it.
16:15:10 <sbp> .bytes <zachb> now?
16:15:10 <phenny> sbp: '<zachb> \xef\xbb\xbfnow?'
16:15:31 <ragsagar> hai Mr.P
16:15:34 <zachb> .bytes : n
16:15:34 <phenny> zachb: '\xef\xbb\xbf: \xef\xbb\xbfn'
16:15:37 <sbp> 'ello ragsagar
16:15:49 <zachb> .bytes : n
16:15:49 <phenny> zachb: '\xef\xbb\xbf: \xef\xbb\xbfn'
16:16:00 <zachb> herm...
16:16:00 <_bjoern> Hello ragsagar!
16:16:15 <ragsagar> hi _bjoernbj
16:16:23 <zachb> .bytes test test paste
16:16:23 <phenny> zachb: 'test test \xef\xbb\xbfpaste'
16:16:31 <zachb> Thanks, I think I got it
16:16:43 <_bjoern> sbp http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1193856&rll=1
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16:16:57 <_bjoern> nsh_ returns from messing with the fish prices.
16:17:05 <sbp> _bjoern: see extensive comments on that in the logs
16:17:25 <_bjoern> That would only make sense if I were to read the article!
16:17:48 <sbp> hmm, and you were around
16:17:54 <sbp> hehe
16:18:12 <sbp> it was probably worth reading
16:18:21 <sbp> broadly comical
16:18:39 <_bjoern> I just spread links so other people read the stuff and I don't have to.
16:19:04 <sbp> news is the opiate of the masses
16:20:18 <_bjoern> I'm not massive at all, thankfully.
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16:23:54 <sbp> talking about the news, what is it with Austrians and locking women in basements?
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16:24:18 <_bjoern> "Soldier Sues Army, Saying His Atheism Led to Threats" - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/us/26atheist.html
16:24:22 <_bjoern> Godless bastards.
16:24:22 <Monty> potty mouth!
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16:25:02 <_bjoern> Ich verstehe nur Bahnhof.se.
16:26:07 <sbp> ‘“There are so many religions in the world,” he said. “Everyone thinks he’s right. Who is right? Even people who are Christians think other Christians are wrong.”’
16:27:33 <sbp> phenny: de "Ich verstehe nur LEXICAL-ITEM"?
16:27:33 <phenny> sbp: I think it's De, which I can't translate.
16:27:46 <sbp> oh you little trickstrix
16:27:47 <sbp> phenny: de "Ich verstehe nur LEXICAL-ITEM"?
16:27:48 <phenny> sbp: "i understand only lexical item" (de)
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16:31:55 <Pierre> sbp, lehrst du phenny Deutsch? :)
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16:40:27 <sbp> Pierre: not just Deutsch, but many other languages
16:40:38 <sbp> phenny: en ru "Russian, for example"?
16:40:39 <phenny> sbp: "Русский, например" (en -> ru)
16:40:46 <sbp> phenny: "Русский, например"?
16:40:49 <phenny> sbp: "russian, for example" (ru)
16:45:25 <ragsagar> bye friends!
16:45:28 <ragsagar> bye zachb
16:45:32 <ragsagar> bye Mr.P
16:45:36 <ragsagar> bye _bjoern
16:45:47 <ragsagar> going to bed
16:45:57 <_bjoern> night
16:46:09 <ragsagar> thanx
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16:58:03 <Pierre> sbp, tres bien :)
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17:09:00 <cre8radix> sbp est complètement zinzin!
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17:13:06 <cre8radix> Il est connu comme le loup blanc.
17:14:07 <cre8radix> phenny: "Il est connu comme le loup blanc"?
17:14:09 <phenny> cre8radix: I think it's Fr, which I can't translate.
17:14:13 <cre8radix> hrhr
17:14:32 <cre8radix> phenny: (Fr) "Il est connu comme le loup blanc"?
17:14:47 <cre8radix> hmz
17:15:12 * cre8radix must learn the commands mo'betta
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17:15:34 <cre8radix> nsh_: :D
17:15:49 <cre8radix> Chacun est l'artisan de sa fortune.
17:16:48 <nsh_> so it seems
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17:22:28 <jeffarch> phenny: fr "Cre8radix ne connais pas les commands de transduction"?
17:22:29 <phenny> jeffarch: "cre8radix do not know the commands of transduction" (fr)
17:28:38 <cre8radix> phenny: fr "Il est connu comme le loup blanc"?
17:28:39 <phenny> cre8radix: "it is known like the white wolf" (fr)
17:28:50 <cre8radix> :D
17:30:02 <cre8radix> phenny: fr "cre8radix est complètement fou"?
17:30:02 <phenny> cre8radix: "cre8radix is completely insane" (fr)
17:30:14 <cre8radix> thanks phenny
17:30:19 <jeffarch> phenny, fr de "Il est connu comme le loup blanc"?
17:30:20 <phenny> jeffarch: "er ist als der weiße wolf bekannt" (fr -> de)
17:31:10 <cre8radix> jeffarch: the expression is: Er ist bekannt wie ein bunter Hund.
17:31:23 <cre8radix> phenny: de "Er ist bekannt wie ein bunter Hund."?
17:31:24 <phenny> cre8radix: "it is well-known like a multicolored dog." (de)
17:31:29 <cre8radix> hrhr
17:31:32 <jeffarch> heheh
17:32:02 <cre8radix> s/it/he
17:32:52 <cre8radix> well...
17:33:10 <cre8radix> the english version would be "to be known all over the place"
17:34:36 <cre8radix> jeffarch: http://www.thedailygreen.com/cm/thedailygreen/images/JU/SafeHavens_20080422c-de.jpg
17:35:57 <jeffarch> "well-known"
17:36:16 <jeffarch> heheheh
17:38:15 <cre8radix> world rights reserved
17:38:18 <cre8radix> hrhr
17:38:44 <cre8radix> the copyright note is the best laugh in the comic
17:38:50 <cre8radix> O_o
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17:46:33 <_bjoern> in winword, how do I remove white space at the beginning of each line?
17:47:42 <nsh> drag the little grey shapes on the ruler at the top of the page to the left?
17:47:54 <_bjoern> no actual space characters
17:48:44 <nsh> no idea then
17:48:51 <nsh> but i think the solution might involve cursing
17:49:20 <jeffarch> a well-placed thump, perhaps
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18:17:42 <nslater> .yi
18:17:42 <phenny> Not yet...
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18:21:26 <aguai>
18:21:31 <aguai> /wc
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18:31:03 <xover> .t
18:31:04 <phenny> Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:04:21 GMT
18:31:08 <xover> .t UTC
18:31:08 <phenny> 2008-04-27T19:04:25Z
18:40:50 <sbp> ,.'.,',',.,.,'.'.'.,','.,
18:41:22 <sbp> why, Every Sunday is Web Boredom Sunday!
18:41:42 <xover> .gc "Web Boredom Sunday"
18:41:42 <phenny> "Web Boredom Sunday": 0
18:41:55 <xover> A day of quiet desperation it seems
18:42:10 <xover> .My enter finger is faster then my period finger
18:42:15 <xover> .
18:42:18 <sbp> the point about the web is that we're meant to despair together!
18:42:27 <sbp> to make one another feel worse, in comradeship!
18:42:28 <Monty> like Russell's Paradox, which was /proj/meta/ which as magnetic flux leakage inspection pig
18:42:51 <xover> The magnetic flux is leaking!?!
18:43:08 <sbp> GO, MAGNETIC FLUX LEAKAGE INSPECTION PIG! YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE!
18:43:11 <kpreid> Hey, control that right and you could make yourself a monopole
18:43:32 <sbp> you furphy chaser
18:43:36 <sbp> .wik Furphy
18:43:36 <phenny> "A furphy, also commonly spelled furfie, is Australian slang for a rumour, or an erroneous or improbable story." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furphy
18:44:11 <sbp> I've heard it used as a synonym for a Will-o'-the-wisp, in the metaphorical sense
18:44:25 <sbp> animalisticalised too
18:44:32 <sbp> so you might chase a furphy down a furphy hole
18:45:02 <sbp> Joseph Furphy looks awesome
18:45:35 <sbp> phenny: ask nsh how much he looks like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/SLQ_73655_Furphy.jpg on a scale of one to a number of his choice
18:45:35 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nsh is around.
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18:50:44 <nsh> is me in past!
18:50:44 <phenny> nsh: 19:18Z <sbp> ask nsh how much he looks like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/SLQ_73655_Furphy.jpg on a scale of one to a number of his choice
18:51:10 <nsh> so my future plans of time travel will come to fruition
18:51:10 <nsh> this is a promising development
18:54:16 <sbp> hehe
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19:23:53 <zachb> any idea on how I could lock down my computer from myself, making it unusable for an hour or two?
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19:24:58 <sbp> [[[
19:24:59 <sbp> We must therefore be impartial where the Truth requires it, and describe the Earth as it is really in it self; and though it be handsome and regular enough to the eye in certain parts of it, single tracts and single Regions;
19:24:59 <sbp> yet if we consider the whole surface of it, or the whole Exteriour Region, 'tis as a broken and confus'd heap of bodies, plac'd in no order to one another, nor with any correspondency or regularity of parts: And such a body as the Moon appears to us, when 'tis look'd upon with a good Glass, rude and ragged;
19:24:59 <sbp> as it is also represented in the modern Maps of the Moon; such a thing would the Earth appear if it was seen from the Moon. They are both in my judgment the image or picture of a great Ruine, and have the true aspect of a World lying in its rubbish.
19:25:02 <sbp> ]]] - Thomas Burnet
19:25:25 <sbp> zachb: well, there's always willpower, discipline, and self-control...
19:25:35 <zachb> sbp: screw that
19:25:39 <sbp> :-)
19:25:40 <zachb> ;p
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19:26:34 <zachb> there's no way I could tell it to ignore the keyboard... is there?
19:27:41 <zachb> I'm thinking going into tty1, then doing `ignorekeyboard && sleep 6000 && turnkeyboardbackon`
19:27:44 <sbp> ‘This is the pourtraicture of our Earth, drawn without flattery’
19:27:49 <sbp> pourtracture!
19:27:54 <sbp> +i
19:28:02 <nsh> ++
19:28:25 <zachb> what?
19:28:32 <zachb> .wik pourtracture
19:28:34 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "pourtracture".
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19:32:09 <sbp> +i!
19:33:40 * zachb is confused
19:36:32 <sbp> *pourtraicture*
19:36:42 <sbp> pourtra > i < cture
19:37:01 <zachb> ...so?
19:37:09 <zachb> oh, its just spelled wrong
19:37:23 <zachb> ...so?
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19:41:56 <sbp> .wik Csikszentmihalyi
19:41:57 <phenny> "Mihály Csíkszentmihályi (pronounced [ˈmihaːj tʃiːkˈsɛntmihaːji] in Hungarian), born on September 29, 1934, in Fiume, Croatia." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Csikszentmihalyi
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19:52:34 <sbp> .c 15.94 USD in GBP
19:52:34 <phenny> 15.94 U.S. dollars = 8.05009848 British pounds
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19:53:14 <Monty> howdy, lordi
20:09:22 <_bjoern> Okay after five years of people bugging me for it, I've added a --min-width option to IECapt (.sf.net)
20:09:51 <_bjoern> It should also work better now under -DUNICODE if you must have chinese filesnames and such
20:10:07 <_bjoern> At least I hope doing that has that effect, since that would fix another bug...
20:10:37 <xover> phenny: ask _bjoern to add a --max-radius option to IECapt.
20:10:37 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when _bjoern is around.
20:11:10 <_bjoern> remind me in 5 years to consider adding a --max-radius option to IECapt.
20:11:10 <phenny> _bjoern: 20:43Z <xover> ask _bjoern to add a --max-radius option to IECapt.
20:11:11 <Monty> Example of correct usage: "Remind me in 15 minutes to check the oven." I understand all combinations of days, hours and minutes.
20:11:22 <_bjoern> .c days in 5 years
20:11:23 <phenny> 5 years = 1 826.21099 days
20:11:34 <_bjoern> remind me in 1826.21099 days to consider adding a --max-radius option to IECapt.
20:11:34 <Monty> _bjoern: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sun Apr 28 02:50:39 BST 2013
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20:17:31 <sbp> .u thin space
20:17:32 <phenny> U+2009 THIN SPACE ( )
20:17:51 <_bjoern> .u trap
20:17:51 <Monty> "you"
20:17:52 <phenny> _bjoern: Sorry, no results for 'trap'.
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20:36:38 <_bjoern> .c 60 GB over 10MBps
20:36:39 <phenny> (60 gigabytes) over (10 MBps) = 1.70666667 hours
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21:00:14 <thelsdj> http://blip.tv/file/855937/
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22:22:31 <procto> .char 性
22:23:49 <procto> .charinfo 性
22:24:04 * procto can't rememebre the command... :(
22:24:22 <procto> phenny: help char?
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22:29:19 <procto> phenny: help char
22:29:26 <procto> phenny: help char?
22:29:47 <procto> .pc 性
22:29:47 <phenny> procto: .pc has been replaced by .u
22:29:53 <procto> .u 性格
22:29:53 <phenny> U+6027 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6027 (性)
22:29:54 <phenny> U+683C CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-683C (格)
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22:40:13 <nsh> .c 270 kelvin in celcius
22:40:14 <phenny> nsh: Sorry, no result.
22:40:25 <nsh> .c 270K in C
22:40:26 <phenny> 270 kelvin = -3.15 degrees Celsius
22:40:42 <nsh> .c 330K in C
22:40:42 <phenny> 330 kelvin = 56.85 degrees Celsius
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22:50:39 <_bjoern> phenny, "我是覺得參數太少了，不夠用就自己加摟，特別是他抓下來的畫面是要多大有多大，像從我的部落格首頁下載下來網頁圖片的高度就有 17,104px，如果要限制圖片的大小就必須改原始碼了，大概在原始碼的第 951 行的地方有個 DoCapture() 方法，裡面有定義擷取畫面的寬(width)、高(height)，如果你要限制畫面輸出的大小只要修改這
22:50:47 <nslater> holey shit
22:51:03 <_bjoern> phenny!
22:51:04 <phenny> _bjoern!
22:51:08 <_bjoern> cmon
22:51:13 <_bjoern> was it too long for you?
22:51:17 <nslater> there was no closing " or ?
22:51:24 <_bjoern> phenny, "我是覺得參數太少了，不夠用就自己加摟，特別是他抓下來的畫面是要多大有多大，像從我的部落格首頁下載下來網頁圖片的高度就有 17,104px，如果要限制圖片的大小就必須改原始碼了"?
22:51:32 <phenny> _bjoern: "i was □□□too have been short, □did not add with oneself □, especially □was he grasped □□the surface wants many greatly to have in a big way, liked □my tribe standard □under □under □□□□piece highly to have 17,104px, if had to limit □the piece size to have □to change primitively □" (zh)
22:51:37 <_bjoern> phenny, "，大概在原始碼的第 951 行的地方有個 DoCapture() 方法，裡面有定義擷取畫面的寬(width)、高(height)，如果你要限制畫面輸出的大小只要修改這一段的程式即可。"?
22:51:39 <phenny> _bjoern: "probably has □docapture in the primitive □951st line of place () the method, □the surface has decides □□takes □the surface □(width), is high (height), if you must limit □the surface □size so long as revises □section of formulas then." (zh)
22:52:01 <nslater> I think I understood more of the original text :p
22:52:28 <_bjoern> Google tells me "I think the parameters are too few, not enough on its own and with Lou, in particular his grasp of the screen is down to how much, like my blog from the Home page picture downloads have a high degree of 17104 px, if we limit picture The size of the source ...
22:52:30 <_bjoern> ... code must be changed, probably the source of the 951 local firms have a DoCapture () method, there are shots of the wide definition (width), high (height), If you want to limit the screen output As long as the size amend the section of the program can be."
22:52:51 <_bjoern> from http://blog.miniasp.com/post/2008/04/Useful-tools-IECapt.aspx
22:53:05 <_bjoern> I don't quite get it to be honest
22:53:42 <_bjoern> phenny, "我之前就介紹過一個 URL2JPEG 工具，但最近又發現一個更棒的工具：IECapt"?
22:53:43 <phenny> _bjoern: I think it's Zh, which I can't translate.
22:53:45 <_bjoern> phenny, "我之前就介紹過一個 URL2JPEG 工具，但最近又發現一個更棒的工具：IECapt"?
22:53:47 <phenny> _bjoern: "in front of me lies between □□a □url2jpeg tool, but recently □□a □better tool: iecapt" (zh)
22:53:59 <_bjoern> ("I introduced before a URL2JPEG tools, but has recently found a best of tools: IECapt")
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22:58:07 <Pierre> _bjoern: if you have php at hand, you can use it too for that :)
22:58:09 <Pierre> too late
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22:59:39 <Monty> yo sysfault!
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23:02:51 <nslater> .ety library
23:02:52 <phenny> "c.1374, from Anglo-Fr. librarie, from O.Fr. librairie 'collection of books,' noun use of adj. librarius 'concerning books,' from L. librarium 'chest for books,' from liber (gen. libri) 'book, paper, parchment,' originally 'the inner bark of trees,' probably a [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=library
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23:31:34 <Monty> nslater: You asked me to remind you to search youtube for jonathan meades
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23:32:04 <nslater> Monty: remind me in 12 hours to search youtube for jonathan meades
23:32:04 <Monty> nslater: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Mon Apr 28 13:07:26 BST 2008
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23:53:52 <tonybaloney867> Hmmm, Debian finally dropped BitchX in sid (and therefore it's gone from Ubuntu Hardy)
23:53:58 <nslater> why?
23:55:04 <_bjoern> .wik BitchX
23:55:05 <phenny> "BitchX is a free IRC client." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitchX
23:55:29 <tonybaloney867> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451373
23:55:37 <tonybaloney867> That bug report explains why
23:56:57 <nslater> wow
23:57:03 <nslater> lukcy i switched about 4 months ago
23:57:27 <tonybaloney867> what did you switch to?
23:58:48 <tonybaloney867> (and I assume you switched from Ubuntu or Debian)
23:59:51 <nslater> hmm, no, I'm on Debian and I switched from bitchx to irssi
