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00:12:43 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp http://rawstory.com/news/2008/San_Diego_GOP_chairman_cofounded_international_0425.html
00:12:43 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
00:14:59 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/26/BUCN10C1KR.DTL
00:14:59 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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00:19:15 <jsled> Hmm. Similar to [citation needed], wp seems to have a "[dubious - discuss]" link (e.g. end of section <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memristor#Physics>), which would also make a great real-world sticker.
00:20:07 <_bjoern> agreed
00:23:17 <kpreid> ahahahahahah
00:23:28 <kpreid> "It is sometimes also known as a flux capacitor[citation needed] due to memristance being a relation between magnetic flux and charge."
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00:39:51 <_bjoern> well swapping the two copies of the dvd a few times seems to have fixed the whole thing
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00:41:40 <MorbusIff> seen *joe*
00:41:40 <bot_module_6> _bjoern was last seen in #swhack 1 min 48 sec ago saying 'well swapping the two copies of the dvd a few times seems to have fixed the whole thing'.
00:41:40 <Monty> I have not seen "*joe*" say or do anything during my arduous lifetime on this IRC server.
00:41:50 <MorbusIff> seen *ty*
00:41:50 <bot_module_6> Sorry, I haven't seen *ty*.
00:41:50 <Monty> I have not seen "*ty*" say or do anything during my arduous lifetime on this IRC server.
00:41:54 <MorbusIff> seen *nty*
00:41:54 <bot_module_6> Monty was last seen in #swhack 3 sec ago saying 'I have not seen "*ty*" say or do anything during my arduous lifetime on this IRC s_erver.'.
00:41:54 <Monty> I have not seen "*nty*" say or do anything during my arduous lifetime on this IRC server.
00:41:56 <MorbusIff> seen monty
00:41:56 <bot_module_6> Monty was last seen in #swhack 2 sec ago saying 'I have not seen "*nty*" say or do anything during my arduous lifetime on this IRC s_erver.'.
00:41:57 <Monty> (expanding zone of Narnia") in bnfc, at this still there?
00:41:59 <Monty> I reckon AmigaOS + pubic lice = fire engines.
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00:53:58 <nslater> phenny: tell Arnia_ I don't know what he means w/r upper case names
00:53:58 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when Arnia_ is around.
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01:23:04 <kpreid> .gc "cinco de mayo" "cinco de mayonnaise"
01:23:05 <phenny> "cinco de mayo" "cinco de mayonnaise": 328
01:23:07 <kpreid> er
01:23:10 <kpreid> .gcs "cinco de mayo" "cinco de mayonnaise"
01:23:11 <phenny> "cinco de mayo" (3,130,000), "cinco de mayonnaise" (781)
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01:34:00 <Tene> .gcc kpreid
01:40:57 <_bjoern> Are you trying to compile kpreid?
01:43:56 <Tene> I am!
01:44:06 <jeffarch> -march=?
01:47:57 <Tene> -march=shitrude
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01:58:02 <_bjoern> Youve got a point there.
01:58:44 <_bjoern> .gc "sleep appliance"
01:58:45 <phenny> "sleep appliance": 1,390
01:58:50 <_bjoern> .gc "sleep appliance" porn
01:58:51 <phenny> "sleep appliance" porn: 11
01:59:00 <_bjoern> .gc rude "sleep appliance" porn
01:59:00 <phenny> rude "sleep appliance" porn: 0
01:59:28 <_bjoern> countdown
01:59:29 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 8, 4, 10, 7, 3. Your target is 995. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
01:59:52 <_bjoern> calc 10 * 10 - 7 + 8/4
01:59:53 <Monty> _bjoern: 95
01:59:59 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
02:00:00 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 0 milliseconds. I found all 24 solutions in about 31 milliseconds.
02:00:02 <Monty> ibot 100*10 - 8 + 3
02:00:04 <_bjoern> calc 100 * 10 - 7 + 8/4
02:00:04 <Monty> _bjoern: 995
02:00:16 <_bjoern> countdown
02:00:16 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 6, 6, 10, 4, 7. Your target is 441. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
02:00:46 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
02:00:48 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 16 milliseconds. I found all 98 solutions in about 47 milliseconds.
02:00:48 <_bjoern> calc (10 + 7) * (25)
02:00:49 <Monty> ibot 6*10*7 + 25 - 4
02:00:51 <Monty> _bjoern: 425
02:00:57 <_bjoern> countdown
02:00:58 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 1, 10, 1, 4, 3. Your target is 252. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
02:01:07 <_bjoern> calc 10 * 25 + 1 +1
02:01:08 <Monty> _bjoern: 252
02:01:28 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
02:01:29 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 0 milliseconds. I found all 436 solutions in about 46 milliseconds.
02:01:31 <Monty> ibot 25*10 - 1 + 3
02:03:00 <_bjoern> countdown
02:03:01 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 75, 6, 9, 10, 8, 3. Your target is 928. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
02:03:18 <_bjoern> calc (9+2)*(26)
02:03:18 <Monty> _bjoern: 286
02:03:31 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
02:03:32 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 16 milliseconds. I found all 16 solutions in about 47 milliseconds.
02:03:34 <Monty> ibot (75*10/6 - 9)*8
02:03:39 <_bjoern> I am not sure what I was thinking...
02:03:46 <_bjoern> time for the sleeping appliance I suppose
02:03:59 <_bjoern> .c 2000 MB over 1514KB/s
02:04:00 <phenny> (2 000 MB) over (1 514 (KB / s)) = 22.5451343 minutes
02:04:10 <_bjoern> guess I won't wait for that...
02:04:23 <_bjoern> 'night #swhack
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03:02:19 <therethinker> whoo! I made a plum AIM bot
03:02:20 <plum> the bots not here, ibot is another bot.
03:02:32 <therethinker> therethinkerbot: soon to be nicely named
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04:37:55 <selggig> mmm pretty morning sun on the storks
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07:58:10 <darobin> any results for London yet?
08:14:39 <pwaring> not expected until this evening
08:14:45 <pwaring> if you mean mayoral elections
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08:53:16 * chris2 just played porn-gc-zero in a different channel. we got as far as ,g rap ninja nazi black nigger asian bukkake bill joy subway porn urban sausage swiss cheese french kiss cute lesbian small tits big anal fun enema red period dildo bbw midgets nun jesus pope cross
08:54:32 <nsh> all the ingredients for an awesome b-movie
08:54:54 <chris2> totally
08:55:18 <nsh> i wonder who'll play bill joy
08:55:27 <nsh> probably wesley snipes, from prison
08:57:43 <nsh> .gs aleatoric *
08:57:44 <phenny> aleatoric *: efx (6), environments (5), composer (5), music (4), at mnhs (3), uncertainty (2), pointillistic (2), places (2), patramorphesis (2), microtonal (2)
09:01:24 <Louie`> Why wont phenny take more then two grups?
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10:03:45 <cre8radix> re
10:09:36 <nsh> reddit can be quite lulzy sometimes: "DC Madam predicted she would be suicided" -> "Obama will bring her back to life" -> "AND RON PAUL WITH GIVE HER LASER VISION"
10:09:55 <sbp> yo
10:09:55 <phenny> sbp: 01 May 21:29Z <laplink> tell sbp http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200805/css_homer_animated.html
10:09:57 <phenny> sbp: 00:49Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://rawstory.com/news/2008/San_Diego_GOP_chairman_cofounded_international_0425.html
10:09:58 <phenny> sbp: 00:51Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/26/BUCN10C1KR.DTL
10:12:11 <sbp> “A gallon of regular now costs $3.89, on average, in California, while the national average has hit $3.58.”
10:12:20 <sbp> boo hoo &c.
10:13:03 <nsh> .c 3.89 dollars / gallon in pounds / litre
10:13:04 <phenny> 3.89 (U.S. dollars / US gallon) = 0.518219508 British pounds / litre
10:13:10 <nsh> pft
10:13:21 <nsh> whingers
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10:23:23 <nsh> .wik AIPAC
10:23:24 <phenny> "The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is an American advocacy group that lobbies the United States Congress and White House in favor of a strong US-Israel relationship." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC
10:23:50 <nsh> .wik MSM
10:23:51 <phenny> "Magnetic Shape Memory, an effect observed in some ferromagnetic alloys" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSM
10:23:53 <nsh> no
10:23:57 <nsh> .wik MSM news
10:24:00 <phenny> "Mass media is a term used to denote a section of the media specifically envisioned and designed to reach a very large audience such as the population of a nation state." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_media
10:24:18 <nsh> oh, mainstream media
10:24:25 <nsh> stupid american abbreviations
10:25:40 <nsh> .wik Pentavarite
10:25:41 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Pentavarite".
10:26:08 * nsh chuckles
10:26:49 <nsh> "You know... the pentavarite, The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds and Colonel Sanders before he went ***s up"
10:30:41 <sbp> aass up?
10:33:05 <nsh> ssss up
10:44:47 <sbp> hmm, I've written nearly 5000 words of poetry this year
10:45:24 <sbp> some of it quite good too, especially against the backdrop of my æsthetic theories
10:45:32 <laplink> Any glowing odes to puking and shitting water for three days on end?
10:45:43 <sbp> nope
10:46:00 <laplink> Cause I could give you some pointers on that subject, let me tell you.
10:46:10 <sbp> you should make a haiku
10:46:34 <sbp> xover in the spring / puking and shitting water // for three long days
10:47:15 <laplink> Sounds more like Gangsta Rap, but fair enough.
10:47:21 <sbp> it can be both!
10:47:33 <laplink> .gc Gangsta Haiku
10:47:34 <phenny> Gangsta Haiku: 91,300
10:49:27 <laplink> If this damneable bug doesn't give me a break soon, I'm going to start giving you lot a blow-by-blow of my bowel movements.
10:50:03 <sbp> I don't know how much detail you could really wrestle from such a topic
10:50:19 <sbp> but on the other hand, it's probably not a good idea to provoke you into doing it...
10:50:26 <laplink> Well it would certainly be quite repetitive.
10:50:51 <laplink> But then again, therein lies the challenge.
10:50:58 <sbp> this is true
10:51:56 <laplink> And I do have the OED to fall back on for new and inventive ways to describe… liquid trajectory, angle, and velocity,
10:53:04 <laplink> Lucky for you lot I can't even work up the sodding energy for it.
10:55:00 <_bjoern> hmm flash spec published (again?)
10:55:45 <laplink> Hey, I've been suscribed to the HTML 5 list for a year, the mere Flash spec shouldn't have this storng an effect on me.
10:57:08 <_bjoern> Ah well you don't read much on that list though do you.
10:59:27 <laplink> Well, that's a point. Then again I didn't read the Flash spec at all, so…
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11:37:47 <procto> laplink: you also need to describe the consistency and texture
11:38:02 <procto> the splashback also varies with time
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11:39:06 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's nslater!
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11:40:53 <nsh> "Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinion, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." -Oscar Wilde
11:41:03 <nsh> Quoted For Irony
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12:19:24 <Monty> But what does _bjoern have to do with the price of fish?
12:20:15 <_bjoern> lol you people on lsd again? everybody wearing really weird colors.
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12:21:51 <nsh> YOPU CAN SJEE MAH COLURS OVER WAB?
12:22:03 <nsh> THAS FREKEY MANG
12:22:14 <_bjoern> YAH MANG
12:22:39 <_bjoern> This Linux is teh hevay shitz mang
12:23:37 <nsh> IS FREE LIEK COLARS
12:24:06 <nsh> oh man, collosal squid are the nasty
12:24:13 <nsh> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/photogalleries/colossalsquid-pictures/photo2.html
12:24:38 * _bjoern chooses "Öffne Link in Browser"
12:25:06 <_bjoern> u and ur sick porn
12:25:39 <nsh> .gc kraken porn
12:25:40 <phenny> kraken porn: 143,000
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12:25:52 <Monty> hi shepazu
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12:30:26 <nsh> .gs arrest * first
12:30:27 <phenny> arrest * first: in city's (4), woman scalper (3), warrants (3), urgent (3), him (3), warrant (2), victims (2), prostitutes (2), of kent county (2), nypd (2)
12:32:17 <clsn> .gs colossal *
12:32:18 <phenny> colossal *: squid (11), order (8), magnetoresistance (6), cave (6), myopia (5), lyrics (5), youth (4), cashews (4), chestnuts (3), at (3), asteroid crashes (3)
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12:35:11 <_bjoern> .gc colossal porn
12:35:12 <phenny> colossal porn: 299,000
12:38:34 <nsh> .gc colossal magnetoresistance porn
12:38:35 <phenny> colossal magnetoresistance porn: 53
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12:38:56 <_bjoern> .title http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=4381678
12:38:59 <phenny> _bjoern: Star: Woman without arms can't get replacement ID
12:39:10 <_bjoern> .gc colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake
12:39:10 <phenny> colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake: 23
12:40:31 <nsh> .gc colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust
12:40:32 <phenny> colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust: 18
12:40:36 <clsn> Spam header just received: porno dvd Shocking for grammarians
12:42:00 <_bjoern> .gc colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust grammarians
12:42:00 <phenny> colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust grammarians: 13
12:43:02 <nsh> .gc colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust grammarians blundering
12:43:05 <phenny> colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust grammarians blundering: 12
12:43:22 <nsh> clsn, nice header btw
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12:43:52 <clsn> I'm on a mail-alias group with the name "grammarians". makes for funny "personalized" spam.
12:44:13 <nsh> it's the little touches that count
12:44:18 <clsn> Yeha.
12:44:26 <_bjoern> http://g.photos.cx/Ad1159619St1Sz154Sq1005057V0Id21-b0.jpg
12:44:48 <_bjoern> .gc colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust grammarians blundering rectangle
12:44:49 <phenny> colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust grammarians blundering rectangle: 9
12:45:22 <clsn> .gc colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust grammarians blundering rectangle armpit
12:45:25 <phenny> colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust grammarians blundering rectangle armpit: 9
12:45:29 <clsn> lose.
12:45:55 <nsh> .gc colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust grammarians blundering rectangle armpit avalanche
12:45:56 <phenny> colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust grammarians blundering rectangle armpit avalanche: 9
12:46:10 <nsh> lyewce
12:46:42 <nsh> wtf
12:46:55 <nsh> $337 billion contract to make a new jet fighter
12:47:05 <_bjoern> .gc colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust grammarians blundering rectangle armpit avalanche vader
12:47:06 <phenny> colossal magnetoresistance porn pancake holocaust grammarians blundering rectangle armpit avalanche vader: 0
12:47:08 <nsh> nothing can possibly cost three hundred and thirty seven billion dollars
12:47:22 <_bjoern> 1 L00SE
12:47:32 <clsn> Was a news story on Yahoo today about a guy that tried to cash a personal check for $360 billion.
12:47:38 <nsh> yeah, saw that
12:47:43 <clsn> Was ever so slightly forged, they think./
12:47:52 <nsh> mmm, i'd have given him the benefit of the doubt
12:48:04 <nsh> and headed straight to the local for 'drink on the rich git'
12:48:06 <nsh> *drinks
12:48:08 <clsn> Well, sure, for a small fee.
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12:48:35 <nsh> .c 337 billion dollars / 2400 fighter-planes
12:48:35 <phenny> nsh: Sorry, no result.
12:48:36 <Monty> (because the X61 docking stations?
12:48:45 <nsh> .c 337 billion / 2400
12:48:46 <phenny> 337 billion / 2 400 = 140 416 667
12:49:21 <nsh> i don't care what it can shoot down, if you're paying 140 million dollars for an aeroplane you're getting ripped the fuck off
12:49:40 <nsh> wright brothers spent 16 dollars and a roll of sticky tape, ffs
12:54:29 <_bjoern> Well those days 16 dollars were worth something.
13:03:47 <_bjoern> .wik Miley Cyrus
13:03:47 <phenny> "Miley Ray Cyrus[1]| (born Destiny Hope Cyrus November 23, 1992)[2]|[3]|, is an American actress, singer and songwriter." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miley_Cyrus
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13:07:15 <_bjoern> “No, I mean I had a big blanket on. And I thought, This looks pretty, and really natural. I think it’s really artsy. It wasn’t in a skanky way.… And you can’t say no to Annie. She’s so cute. She gets this puppy-dog look and you’re like, O.K.”
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13:46:27 <clsn> .ety arctic
13:46:28 <phenny> "c.1391, artik, from O.Fr. artique, from M.L. articus, from L. arcticus, from Gk. arktikos 'of the north,' lit. 'of the (constellation) Bear,' from arktos 'bear,' the Bear being a northerly constellation." - http://etymonline.com/?term=arctic
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14:33:34 <laplink> Costume Design and Writing should be shot shot shot.
14:33:54 <sbp> costume design?
14:34:04 <sbp> do you mean period drama, or fashion criticism?
14:34:23 <laplink> Seriously, you should see some of the getups appearing in this series.
14:34:32 <sbp> ah. period drama
14:35:00 <sbp> I've never really been a fan of period drama either
14:35:34 <laplink> Carrie Fisher can keep bitching about that hair do (strangely, she's silent on the whole Gold Bikini thing); but it doesn't hold a canlde to what the poor schumucks on Flash Gordon are put in.
14:35:37 <sbp> Mr. Darcy wants to shag so-and-whom, but so-and-whom is engaged to the hunchback of Notre Ravensborough, so Mr. Darcy shoots him in the bollocks
14:35:51 <sbp> it's always the same, so predictable
14:36:07 <laplink> Well, for period drama, The Remains of The Day is pretty good, but that's about it.
14:37:12 <laplink> (But that's entirely to Hopkins' credit. I can't stand Thompson.)
14:37:30 <laplink> But, no, I'm in pseudo-steampunk scifi territory here.
14:38:13 <laplink> You'd probably like them. They're very… nouveau.
14:38:29 <sbp> screenshots or something, please
14:38:43 <sbp> nouveau frustrates me, anyway
14:38:49 <sbp> it never came anywhere near to its full potential
14:39:02 <sbp> nouveau is great *in my head*
14:40:09 <laplink> This is how it starts, fairly moderate: http://www.scifi.com/flashgordon/downloads/images/desktops/screens/FlashGordon_04_800.jpg
14:40:34 <sbp> ahaha, that's already eminent choxelles
14:40:47 <sbp> I'm going to guess their names
14:40:54 <laplink> Yeah, as mentioned, that's the low-key costumes.
14:40:56 <sbp> on the left in the glasses is Erwin
14:41:01 <sbp> he's the computer geek of the crew
14:41:27 <laplink> Hans Zomethingpolish-y.
14:41:35 <laplink> But, yes, obviously.
14:41:37 <sbp> the dude in black is just called Herr Schwartz
14:41:47 <sbp> and like he does nothing else. just stands and looks gestapoish
14:42:18 <sbp> the relatively normal chick in lilac, Lucy, holds a dark prostitutional past
14:42:19 <laplink> Ming The Merciless.
14:42:29 <_bjoern> Schwartz sounds mor SSish.
14:42:51 <_bjoern> Especially if it was Schwarz instead.
14:42:51 <laplink> That would be Forgettable-name-vaguely-suyggesting-a-flower-or-summat, Ming's daughter.
14:43:12 <sbp> Scarlett O' Dorka there in the centre, called Xeriphon in this series, is clearly the outward slut of the crew but has an extraordinarily sensitive inner psyche that, once revealed, is blown away in some bizarre accident because she thus becomes too boring for even this series
14:43:14 <laplink> Ambrosia? Amoria? Something like that.
14:43:25 <sbp> ordinary-normal-handsome guy must be Flash Gordon
14:43:38 <sbp> the actor's name is probably Jonathan Sunderwood or something
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14:44:21 <laplink> The tall guy with the Arian features, who drives an american-made sports car, is a track star, and otherwise is more all-american than Johnny Appleseed?
14:44:28 <sbp> green chavette go-getter girl, either Tiffany or Stacey or Amber, is there for the 'ard faction, and basically just bitches about everything and lends nothing to any plot development that ever happens, that all being contingent on Gordon and Lucy
14:45:15 <laplink> Amazing. You must be some kind of genious or something. I can't believe you just guessed all of that.
14:45:30 <laplink> I mean, these characters have such depth! Such originality!
14:45:41 <sbp> in series two we found out that Hans Zomethingpolish-y is really a chick
14:45:48 <sbp> (er, find)
14:46:20 <sbp> phenny: de "Schwarz"?
14:46:26 <phenny> sbp: "black" (de)
14:46:28 <sbp> phenny: de "Schwartz"?
14:46:28 <phenny> sbp: "schwartz" (de)
14:46:34 <sbp> right-ee-oh
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14:47:45 <laplink> Right, screencap of the frame that happened to be on my screen right now.
14:48:01 <laplink> This is in no way chosen deliberately for the giggles.
14:48:19 <laplink> It's entirely representative of the character's costume for most of the screen time.
14:48:29 <laplink> I shit you not.
14:48:33 <sbp> hahaha
14:48:40 <sbp> wow, so you're on season two already
14:49:42 <laplink> Oh, excellent. Group shot!
14:50:24 <sbp> who's the woman on the right?
14:50:28 <sbp> Tiffany's on the left, clearly
14:50:28 <laplink> Make note of the goodgirl; pay particular attention to the fur “thing” around her neck, and the elbow protectors!
14:50:44 <_bjoern> you sure it's a woman?
14:50:55 <sbp> well, you know what happens to elbows in space
14:51:17 <_bjoern> Tell us anyway.
14:51:21 <_bjoern> for the logs.
14:51:28 <sbp> it's funny how Erwin is looking at Tiffany clearly wanting lesbian sex
14:51:43 <sbp> elbows in space get damaged by space elk all the time
14:51:56 <laplink> The worst part is, these costumes aren't for comic effect, they're not the but of some “Man, I gotta wear this” joke; this is in all seriousness what the costume designers came up with as what our protagonists wear to blend in on an alien planet.
14:52:57 <laplink> Now I'll grant you that the series is based on a fifties comic book, and they're being fairly “true” to the original.
14:53:24 <sbp> come on, they're made it so cheesy they ought to rename it Flash Gorgonzola
14:54:51 <sbp> just wait till gthink.com gets bought up by the big G
14:55:14 <laplink> Yeah, it's almost like they're going for some kind of badly misunderstood Retro or Kitch æstethic there.
14:55:33 <sbp> if I were CEO of a big, successful company...
14:55:56 <sbp> I would pay one of my staff to be a blogger devoted to Anti-$Company stories
14:56:13 <sbp> constantly slandering us and running real exposés and so on
14:56:16 <sbp> mainly for comic effect
14:56:36 <sbp> heck, I could do it myself...
14:57:18 <_bjoern> With that attitude you'll never become CEO...
14:57:38 <sbp> I know, I know...
14:58:28 <Arnia> Today's job is to read all the other papers
14:58:40 <sbp> I could pay the person who was going to do the blog to scratch my ass whilst I write it instead
14:59:50 <_bjoern> You could also, instead of paying, threaten to fire that person.
14:59:50 <sbp> hmm
14:59:54 <sbp> half the votes counted
15:00:00 <sbp> and Boris looking very much in the lead
15:00:08 <sbp> Boris may well become London mayor
15:00:11 <sbp> that's just so comic
15:00:12 <_bjoern> Yeltsin is running in the UK?
15:00:15 <laplink> Dare I ask?
15:00:30 <sbp> hmm
15:00:38 <sbp> if you don't know Boris Johnson, it's very hard to explain
15:00:42 <sbp> there's Wikipedia, of course:
15:00:43 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
15:00:54 <_bjoern> .wik Boris Johnson
15:00:54 <phenny> "Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (commonly known as Boris Johnson, born 19 June 1964, New York City)[1]| is a British Conservative Party politician, journalist and former editor of The Spectator." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
15:02:27 <sbp> awesome, there's some stuff in here I hadn't heard of
15:05:02 <sbp> oh, looking for Boris clips on YouTube might be more indicative
15:07:35 <sbp> .title http://youtube.com/watch?v=vRRYDVaXdaA
15:07:35 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - Boris Johnson refuses to answer a question 12 times
15:08:23 <sbp> ahaha:
15:08:23 <sbp> .
15:08:26 <sbp> .title http://youtube.com/watch?v=8d4Z_KHlnGQ
15:08:26 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - Boris Johnson: The Political Giant!!!
15:08:35 <sbp> shame about the background music
15:09:12 <chandler> "Three islanders from Lesbos ... have taken a gay rights group to court for using the word lesbian in its name."
15:09:26 <chandler> I fully support Lesbos being granted a PDO.
15:15:41 <sbp> Boris: "Are you with me?" Andrew Marr: "Well I'm certainly listening to you, let's put it that way."
15:15:42 <sbp> - http://youtube.com/watch?v=wRRZdvF5hFY
15:15:43 <sbp> .title
15:15:44 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - Boris Johnson talks gibberish part 1 (10.02.08)
15:15:51 <sbp> chandler: yeah, saw that. PDO?
15:16:10 <chandler> .wik PDO
15:16:11 <phenny> "PDO can refer to" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDO
15:16:18 <chandler> .wik Protected Designation of Origin
15:16:18 <sbp> this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_designation_of_origin
15:16:18 <phenny> "Protected designation of origin (PDO), protected geographical indication (PGI), Protected Geographical Status (PGS)[1]| and Traditional Speciality Guaranteed (TSG) are geographical indications (GIs) defined in European Union Law to protect the names of regional foods." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_Designation_of_Origin
15:16:56 <chandler> In other words, only gay female porn from the isle of Lesbos can be labeled Lesbian.
15:17:33 <sbp> .gc "thunking-clunking bit of French infrastructure"
15:17:34 <phenny> "thunking-clunking bit of French infrastructure": 0
15:17:36 <chandler> Somehow I doubt that's what the plantiffs in that suit want :-)
15:17:51 <sbp> sounds good to me
15:18:01 <sbp> of course, that would mean that "lesbian" can still be used by anyone else
15:18:09 <sbp> just Lesbian would be protected, I assume
15:18:54 <Arnia> Hm. Rotating a PDF and using it full screen and then holding my laptop like a book isn't as weird as I thought it would be
15:19:12 <_bjoern> You want a tablet pc
15:21:08 <sbp> hahaha
15:21:09 <sbp> [[[
15:21:09 <sbp> Tessa Jowell is said to have ordered an emergency "Boris Box" in Labour's London mayoral campaign headquarters. Every time anyone refers to Johnson as "Boris", they will have to cough up a fiver. The way everyone always talks about "Boris" is, they fear, contributing to a likeable and familiar image, which is going to be hard to beat.
15:21:14 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/philip-hensher/philip-hensher-banning-borising-is-a-waste-of-time-805416.html
15:22:51 <Arnia> _bjoern: Well, I was thinking of getting a modbook
15:22:56 <Arnia> http://eshop.macsales.com/Customized_Pages/modbook/modbook_info_p1.html
15:24:05 <_bjoern> At least it's designed by German engineers
15:24:22 <Arnia> For one of those wonderfully biased comparisons: http://www.axiotron.com/index.php?id=compare
15:24:52 <sbp> DAS IST DEUTSCHTECKNIK?!
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15:25:48 <sbp> “Screen Cover | plastic | plastic | Axiotron ForceGlass™ | better”
15:26:10 <sbp> I notice they don't compare weight...
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15:26:25 <Arnia> yeah
15:27:23 <Arnia> .c 5.4 pounds in kg
15:27:24 <phenny> 5.4 pounds = 2.4493988 kilograms
15:27:49 <chandler> ech. that's too heavy for a tablet
15:27:58 <chandler> I played with HP's 12" and it's a nice machine except for the weight
15:28:09 <chandler> oh, and the HP is a convertible, not a tablet
15:28:23 <chandler> er, not a slate
15:28:54 <Arnia> On the other hand, I don't want to switch from OS X
15:29:42 <chandler> well, *cough* http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/04/final-thoughts.html
15:37:24 <_bjoern> hmm http://spe.atdmt.com/ds/NMGBLUMUSMUC/MSN_Brand/MSNN_GEN_companiongif_012008_300x250.gif?spd=6
15:37:34 <_bjoern> oh doesn't photos.cx accept urls now too?
15:37:41 <_bjoern> we should have a phenny module for that then...
15:37:48 <_bjoern> in fact we should have one either way.
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15:41:07 <Monty> yo thelsdj!
15:42:05 <_bjoern> .title http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/050108_madam_predicted.htm
15:42:07 <phenny> _bjoern: DC Madam Predicted She Would Be Suicided
15:43:05 <Arnia> .title http://www.tuaw.com/2007/09/10/found-footage-visual-comparison-of-inkwell-to-vistas-handwriti/
15:43:07 <phenny> Arnia: Found Footage: Visual comparison of InkWell to Vista's handwriting recognition - The Unofficial Apple Weblog (TUAW)
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15:57:42 <_bjoern> countdown
15:57:42 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 75, 10, 10, 1, 7, 10. Your target is 218. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
15:57:51 <_bjoern> well
15:58:04 <_bjoern> 18 with 5 1 0 and 7?
15:58:13 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
15:58:14 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 0 milliseconds. I found all 36 solutions in about 32 milliseconds.
15:58:16 <Monty> ibot (10 + 10 - 1)*7 + 75 + 10
15:58:32 <_bjoern> countdown
15:58:32 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 2, 2, 10, 4, 10. Your target is 141. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
15:58:46 <_bjoern> calc 100 + 4*10 + 2/2
15:58:47 <Monty> _bjoern: 141
15:59:02 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
15:59:04 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 32 milliseconds. I found all 4 solutions in about 63 milliseconds.
15:59:05 <Monty> ibot ((10 + 10)*4 + 2)/2 + 100
15:59:42 <MoiraA> hello
15:59:50 <_bjoern> Hello MoiraA
16:03:34 <sbp> .title http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/05/02/0418258.shtml
16:03:34 <Monty> chammiya, welcome to infiltrate each apocalyptic cult in recognition - http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/philip-hensher/philip-hensher-banning-borising-is-a-waste-of-time-805416.html
16:03:44 <phenny> sbp: Slashdot | Proposed Telescope Focuses Light Without Mirror Or Lens
16:06:49 <sbp> ouch, massive swing to Conservatives
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16:07:55 <MoiraA> statistics are just that sbp,
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16:09:01 <MoiraA> meaningless - it's the actual voting that counts
16:09:26 <MoiraA> trouble is, Gordon Brown does the labour party no favours
16:09:36 <Arnia> Hm. The Labour Party does itself no favours
16:10:22 <Arnia> I tend to vote for a candidate, not a party, but I still I do not wish Labour to have a majority at the next General Election. Nor do I want any of the others.
16:10:30 <Arnia> My current hope is for a hung parliament
16:10:43 <Arnia> Hopefully that will give all of them a bit of a slap
16:11:21 <sbp> [[[
16:11:22 <sbp> An Antarctic fur seal has been observed trying to have sex with a king penguin.
16:11:22 <Arnia> (ideally a con-libdem coalition actually...)
16:11:22 <sbp> The South African-based scientists who witnessed the incident say it is the most unusual case of mammal mating behaviour yet known.
16:11:22 <sbp> The incident, which lasted for 45 minutes and was caught on camera, is reported in the Journal of Ethology.
16:11:27 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7379554.stm
16:11:34 <Arnia> bugger
16:11:35 <Arnia> Sorry
16:11:38 <sbp> np
16:11:53 <MoiraA> Arnia: you're like me
16:12:01 <MoiraA> I vote for the candidate not the party
16:12:04 <sbp> MoiraA: what's the difference between statistics and the actual voting?
16:12:12 <MoiraA> in my time, I've voted labour, conservative and libdem
16:12:20 <sbp> I mean, I was reading the current voting results of of the BBC News front page
16:12:21 <Arnia> sbp: it is who *wins* which matters
16:12:27 <MoiraA> statistics don't matter
16:12:31 <Arnia> sbp: (in each seat)
16:12:42 <MoiraA> and it depends on how the're compiled
16:12:52 <MoiraA> I was reading something on it the other day
16:12:54 <sbp> I was kinda thinking towards the next general election
16:13:01 <sbp> though I guess lots can change in that time
16:13:19 <MoiraA> apparently the percentage gain in accuracy from a data sample of more than 400 is not worth the extra trouble
16:13:27 <Arnia> sbp: yeah. A friend thinks that labour might become the third party in the next general
16:13:42 <MoiraA> I would quite like a hung parliament
16:13:51 <MoiraA> it would be interesting if nothing else
16:14:01 <Arnia> Back to an age of National Government
16:14:27 * Arnia would love to see the Parliament Acts repealed and the whip system banned too
16:14:35 <Arnia> So I don't hold out much hope
16:14:44 <MoiraA> yeah lol
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16:16:37 <Arnia> "We, the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, do hereby rule that the Commons are not fit for purpose and have abrogated their responsibilities of leadership, decision-making and looking after the interests of their constituents. We, therefore, repeal the Reform Act, and the Parliament Acts."
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17:00:21 <thelsdj> [[[
17:00:24 <thelsdj> The judenhackers called it Slash. It stood for the "/" sign in Jewish/Nazi stories. They gathered to re-imagine the relationship with that vanished, mysterious race, writing stories with titles such as "the Stalag of Death", telling stories of concentration camps, of stalags, where sadistic Aryan female guards were captured by their former slaves the Jews, recreating powerful sexual fantasies from third-hand memories of a time ...
17:00:31 <thelsdj> ... that was gone and would not come again.
17:00:31 <thelsdj> ]]] -- http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/tidhar_10_06
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17:08:49 <chandler> [[[
17:08:50 <chandler> But this is thought to be the first recorded example of a mammal trying to have sex with a member of another class of vertebrate, such as a bird, fish, reptile, or amphibian.
17:09:04 <chandler> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7379554.stm (mentioned by sbp earlier)
17:09:22 <chandler> I'm sure there's a porn site out there with valuable scientific information about this phenomenon.
17:11:53 <sbp> yeah, heh. I thought that was a pretty odd statement too
17:14:56 <thelsdj> "first recorded example of a non-human mammal..." would be more accurate
17:18:32 <chandler> Does it say something about me that I just assumed that at least one person has done (and recorded) that without looking for any evidence whatsoever?
17:20:58 <chandler> The semiotics of brit politics is fascinating. Can you imagine a candidate in the US using these colors on campaign materials: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/VirtualContent/85656/borisjohnson3004.jpg ?
17:21:54 <thelsdj> another vote for http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/tidhar_10_06 great story, great ending
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17:29:46 <thelsdj> warren ellis' link to the seal story reminded me to not forget the dreaded rapebear: http://jerslater.blogspot.com/2006/06/on-follow-up-calls.html
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17:32:19 <jsled> Oh rapebear, how you make me laugh.
17:32:19 <thelsdj> [[[
17:32:21 <thelsdj> When Yukio's vacation came — the usual very hot and humid fortnight in August — he didn't surrender his holiday back to the Nippon Real-Doll Corporation, as he had done in previous years, in the hope of more rapid promotion through the copyright department. Instead, he took a train from Tokyo (and then a bus) the hundred kilometers to Shirahama City where ama diving women lived. He would seduce an ama to love him. They would ...
17:32:27 <thelsdj> ]]] - http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watson_11_06
17:32:30 <thelsdj> ... marry. She would get a job on a whaling boat. For him she would smuggle clitoris sashimi...
17:33:01 <bancus> :o
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17:36:08 <Arnia> chandler: from our perspective, it is US politics which is messed up ;)
17:36:52 <Arnia> I'm not entirely sure what's up with that umbrella, but then again it is Boris Johnson who is indecipherable at the best of times.
17:36:59 <Arnia> He makes Dan Quayle look coherent
17:37:11 <Arnia> And John Prescott for that matter
17:38:03 <chandler> Arnia: it wasn't the umbrella but the colors, specifically the use of pastel shades
17:38:09 <chandler> not that there's anything wrong with pastels
17:38:38 <Arnia> He's trying to portray himself as the affable buffoon as opposed to the untrustworthy newt-fancier
17:38:56 <Arnia> He's just a very very odd man though
17:39:48 <chandler> as far as having an indecipherable mayor, it's hard to get much worse than Richie Daley
17:39:51 <Arnia> (He's MP for Henley-on-Thames atm, a seat which is sedate enough for him to not have to do much which is good because he does have a tendency to put his foot in it)
17:40:21 <Arnia> chandler: he once called everyone in Liverpool a criminal
17:40:28 <chandler> heh
17:40:54 <Arnia> I'm never quite sure whether or not he realised that Have I Got News For You is a satirical show as well
17:41:16 <Arnia> I mean he hosted it a couple of times, and been on the panels, but that doesn't mean much with him
17:41:39 <Arnia> Mind you, we did once try and get him wasted in Cuth's
17:43:07 <Arnia> He's incredibly short, but makes up for it with width and quite a drinking ability
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17:57:34 <Monty> it's slavezombie!
17:57:57 <slavezombie> I'm back with a writing assignment
17:58:01 <slavezombie> Hello
18:10:04 <slavezombie> I really like movies containing Angelica Huston in the cast.
18:11:31 <slavezombie> I think I've reached a stage in my life when the actresses from favorite movies are younger than I am.
18:13:29 <MoiraA> god, parents can be a right pain!
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18:20:43 <sbp> .gc "clitoris sashimi"
18:20:44 <phenny> "clitoris sashimi": 11
18:23:24 * Arnia recasts the wedding cake into a cog
18:23:40 <sbp> whose wedding cake?
18:25:12 <chandler> .gc sashimi porn
18:25:13 <phenny> sashimi porn: 963,000
18:25:17 <sbp> slavezombie: http://jerslater.blogspot.com/2006/06/on-follow-up-calls.html
18:26:36 <sbp> with his Ursine Shaft of Doom
18:27:02 <Arnia> sbp: timbl's
18:27:33 <Arnia> I've also tried to turn a typical datawarehouse system into a cog
18:27:36 <sbp> aha
18:28:07 <thelsdj> .gc "ursine shaft of doom"
18:28:08 <phenny> "ursine shaft of doom": 29
18:29:06 <thelsdj> Born in a laboratory, forged in pain! A thirst for blood... and RAPE!
18:29:08 <Arnia> That's one of two focuses for the BCS paper (the idea that you can have a common metamodel of information processing), the other being the slogans and their relation to the axioms of the Active Web
18:33:03 <sbp> eleven kinky
18:36:19 <MoiraA> a BCS paper?
18:36:27 <MoiraA> that's whacky even for them
18:37:56 <laplink> .gc meta
18:37:57 <phenny> meta: 165,000,000
18:39:21 <laplink> sbp2002: amuse me
18:39:22 <sbp2002> and how many more downloads would you need?
18:39:34 <laplink> sbp2002: quite a few
18:39:35 <sbp2002> we loved the fact that the swhack motto!
18:39:47 <chandler> sbp2002: that the swhack motto what?
18:39:48 <sbp2002> J: don't worry, they'll probably be easier to just running an IRC client doesn't recognize the offset
18:40:02 <laplink> sbp2002: chump?
18:40:02 <sbp2002> easy
18:40:10 <laplink> sbp2002: really?
18:40:10 <sbp2002> Wings have won the cup, BTW
18:40:16 <sbp> I can amuse you too if you want
18:40:17 <Monty> yip yip yip yippieeee
18:40:24 <laplink> yes please
18:40:28 <chandler> Monty: nobody asked you
18:40:29 <Monty> Watertag: 529
18:40:29 <sbp> COCKS
18:40:30 <Monty> hah
18:40:35 <laplink> go on
18:40:35 <sbp> AND COCK-RELATED GAMBOLS
18:40:55 <laplink> pics or it didnt happen
18:41:03 <sbp> that's all my material used up, I'm afraid
18:41:19 <laplink> you suck at sustained amusement
18:41:26 <sbp> when rapebear is around, you can't really win at sustained amusement
18:41:38 <sbp> did you try reading what I said again?
18:41:40 <sbp> that sometimes works
18:41:49 <sbp> sbp2002: help me out here mang
18:41:49 <sbp2002> yes, #semplesh
18:42:00 <laplink> thats quite hillarious, yes
18:42:05 <sbp> sbp2002: #semplesh hasn't been around for a while
18:42:06 <sbp2002> joo r bein haX0red!
18:42:15 <sbp> O NOEz̈!
18:42:17 <chandler> oh noes!
18:42:18 <laplink> that would explain it
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19:45:00 <Arnia> sbp: My friend says he'll get you the translation (with syntax marking) early next week
19:45:22 <Arnia> sbp: he's busy with his end of quarter report atm, hence the delay
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19:53:15 <sbp> HIGNFY: Brian Blessed: hilarious
19:53:25 <sbp> Arnia: cool, no problem. please pass on my thanks
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20:06:43 <Arnia> sbp: will do
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20:09:38 <thelsdj> oh god, reddit is down again, will productivity skyrocket?
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20:23:23 <Arnia> thelsdj: yeah, but facebook chat is still running
20:27:29 <thelsdj> yea i guess when you have 10x as many facebook friends as me you probably have quite a few people online
20:27:59 <cre8radix> thelsdj: what's your facebook id?
20:28:16 <chandler> I don't read reddit, and I don't, um, face facebook, but I still can't get any work done
20:28:54 <thelsdj> cre8radix: can probably find me by searching for 'adam wendt'
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20:29:24 <thelsdj> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=634745895
20:33:41 <zachb> http://laughingsquid.com/facebook-in-real-life-by-idiots-of-ants/
20:38:28 <thelsdj> awesome
20:42:36 <deltab> item about Banksy on BBC1 now
20:48:39 <procto> are they introducing whe the hell that is?
20:48:46 <procto> or contributing to the overhype?
20:49:51 <jsled> sbp2002: what do you make of Facebook?
20:49:52 <sbp2002> oh, and we're missing a huge chunk of the word, giving it a go...
20:54:16 <chandler> sbp2002: the world needs more markov-chain facebook blogs
20:54:17 <sbp2002> yay
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21:00:52 <slavezombie> gc. elina löwensohn
21:01:09 <slavezombie> .gc elina löwensohn
21:01:12 <phenny> elina löwensohn: 58,400
21:01:22 <slavezombie> .gc elina lowensohn
21:01:23 <phenny> elina lowensohn: 56,000
21:05:40 <slavezombie> That's a rather effective dialog between two people.
21:06:44 <slavezombie> here's an updated link to the same blogger http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0530581/
21:10:01 <slavezombie> This blog http://johnaugust.com/ seems to be more professional.
21:11:14 <slavezombie> Why nobody in Jeremy Slater's blogosphere doesn't have a livejournal account, I do not know.
21:23:45 <thelsdj> livejournal? that thing is still alive?
21:23:58 <thelsdj> wasn't it bought by the russian mafia or something?
21:27:35 <slavezombie> Yeah, but since San Francisco is a neighbor, the Russians and Angelinos get along fairly well.
21:28:49 <MoiraA> heh anyone here used Second Life?
21:28:57 <thelsdj> not in a while
21:29:11 <MoiraA> but you've used it?
21:29:12 <thelsdj> d8uv probably does but he's not around here much recently
21:29:13 <thelsdj> ya
21:29:15 <thelsdj> i have
21:29:41 <MoiraA> does it work? the BCS are going to set this up so we can develop an elearning project and have "committee" meetings this way
21:29:55 <MoiraA> I've been asked to get Second Life and participate
21:30:14 <thelsdj> not sure what you mean by 'does it work'
21:32:15 <MoiraA> can people interact just as well this way instead of more conventional meetings?
21:32:27 <MoiraA> we're all spread out over the country which is one of the attractions of it
21:32:50 <thelsdj> why not just use a chat room? really its not that much more than IRC in that respect
21:32:56 <thelsdj> though i guess it has voice chat now
21:33:12 <thelsdj> you can build 3d stuff, but i don't think that really helps for meetings
21:35:08 <thelsdj> also to have a meeting in an undisturbed location you'll have to pay money for land and taxes and such
21:35:20 <thelsdj> where as you can easily make a free chatroom lots of places online
21:37:47 <thelsdj> if you want to have meetings online i'd suggest something like http://www.campfirenow.com/
21:41:06 <procto> thelsdj: there's also lingr.com
21:41:10 <procto> thelsdj: which is free
21:41:39 <thelsdj> good to know, i don't actually use those, but seems like a better idea than using second life
21:41:50 <procto> yeah
21:42:28 <procto> basically, whenever I would like IRCc wo coordinate people, but I have to have non-techies join. I use lingr.
21:42:53 <kpreid> MoiraA: I've used SL.
21:43:10 <MoiraA> ah cool
21:43:27 <MoiraA> just, that's how a BCS committee I've joined is going to have their meetings and discussions
21:43:30 <MoiraA> that and skype
21:43:46 <kpreid> ok.
21:44:05 <kpreid> so you're not 'investigating the idea' yourself, just following along?
21:45:44 <kpreid> MoiraA: well, if you need help learning to use the client feel free to ask me
21:46:37 <MoiraA> thank you kpreid, that's very kind of you
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21:47:04 <MoiraA> I'm part of the committee that's going to set up an elearning program for the BCS
21:47:26 <MoiraA> the guy who's in charge of it has decided on skype and second life
21:48:07 <MoiraA> dammmit, don't suppose you can articulate in a sentence why vista can't use all of 4GB RAM (32 bit version anyway)?
21:48:56 <kpreid> MoiraA: http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00015.htm
21:50:05 <MoiraA> ah brilliant, thanks :)
21:51:00 <procto> MoiraA: what's BCS?
21:51:38 <procto> MoiraA: I've found secondlife to be a horrible learning environment
21:52:39 <MoiraA> British Computer Society
21:52:39 <MoiraA> hmm
21:52:39 <MoiraA> well, as long as it lets us interact
21:52:39 <MoiraA> we are hundreds of miles apart working on the same project
21:52:51 <MoiraA> funds don't run to flying us all to London every other week
21:52:51 <laplink> chat -> phone meeting -> phone meeting with shared video (presentaton/documents/whiteboard) -> face to face meeting
21:53:06 <MoiraA> yeah but only so many people presumably
21:53:17 <laplink> Video conferencing and Second Life type stuff are essentially a waste of effort; it contributes nothing.
21:53:56 <procto> MoiraA: cisco has a package that I hear is quite good. though of course much more expensive
21:54:13 <laplink> Well, I make a possible exception for stuff like Cisco's Telepresence, but only because I've yet to see it in real life; I doubt it works.
21:54:36 <procto> they build these rooms that are made up of geographically disconnected rooms
21:54:52 <MoiraA> well, at the next committee meeting I'll try to present views on it and other alternatives
21:55:38 <procto> secondlife has one big problem
21:55:52 <procto> which is basically that there's a very high interaction overhead
21:55:54 <laplink> Also, Cisco Telepresence is not priced for mere mortals.
21:56:02 <procto> moving the camera, walking around, and such
21:56:06 <procto> laplink: yeah
21:56:20 <procto> laplink: I read they were supposed to start installing them at some kinko's
21:56:28 <procto> which is a great idea, imo
21:56:51 <laplink> It's an absolute requirement that you have a custom-built conference studio for it; the accoustics, the lighting, even the friggin table is a part of it.
21:57:03 <procto> yeah
21:59:59 <laplink> Oh, did I forget to mention that these babies need 12Mbps of dedicated, low-latency, low-jitter bandwidth?
22:00:03 <laplink> Each?
22:01:36 <kpreid> .g "Cisco Telepresence"
22:01:37 <phenny> kpreid: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/netsol/ns669/networking_solutions_solution_segment_home.html
22:03:09 <procto> laplink: that's why the kinko's idea is so great
22:03:22 <kpreid> SL has value if there is value in a virtual space. If you just want to talk, not so much.
22:03:41 <laplink> Well, I dunno about Kinko's; but being able rent time in a “Telepresence” studio is a good idea, sure.
22:03:59 <procto> laplink: it's like a gian globe-spanning adhoc conference room
22:04:02 <procto> giant
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22:47:30 <_bjoern> .gc swhackpeople
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22:51:05 <Arnia> "According to projections from Gartner, white- collar workers will spend anywhere from 30 to 40 percent of their time this year [2003] managing documents, up from 20 percent of their time in 1997. Similarly, Merrill Lynch estimates that more than 85 percent of all business information exists as unstructured data"
22:51:13 <Arnia> — http://www.dmreview.com/issues/20030201/6287-1.html
22:52:12 <_bjoern> That is of course because most people work and think and document in rather unstructured ways, so this isn't going to change much.
22:52:29 <Arnia> "The world's total yearly production of print, film, optical, and magnetic content would require roughly 1.5 billion gigabytes of storage. This is the equivalent of 250 megabytes per person for each man, woman, and child on earth." Berkeley: How Much Information? (http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/research/projects/how-much-info/)
22:52:50 <Arnia> _bjoern: In a very big way, I hope it doesn't change much
22:53:33 <Arnia> I'm preparing data for my fund-raising meeting; getting statistics of just how big a problem information overload is
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23:22:04 <_bjoern> I have a todolist overload, i don't think information overload could be a problem of mine easily.
23:31:36 <procto> I'm reaching information overload
23:31:44 <procto> so i'm delegating information
23:31:52 <procto> training various systems to do the filtering for me
23:32:02 <procto> gmail filters my RSS feeds pretty well for example
23:33:34 <TedThibodeauJr> the real challenge is to get the stuff you don't know to filter *for*, the serendipitous discoveries, while not drowning in irrelevancies
23:34:09 <_bjoern> Not having any RSS feeds is a good filter aswell
23:34:13 <procto> that'- solta what the feeds are for
23:34:17 <procto> sorta
23:34:29 <procto> that is, you can't quite stumble about
23:34:39 <procto> the people writing the content for the feed gare primary filters
23:34:52 <TedThibodeauJr> yes, but ... I've got something like 2000 feeds in my aggregator
23:35:01 <TedThibodeauJr> I actually skim or read very few of those directly
23:35:22 <procto> I have...
23:35:32 <TedThibodeauJr> I mostly get the chance to review search output from those
23:35:43 <TedThibodeauJr> even that's a challenge to get through
23:36:21 <procto> maybe 200-300
23:36:30 <procto> I used to have 1300
23:36:45 <procto> there tended to be quite a bit of overlap
23:36:59 <procto> and the problem is that often they were just quoting each other without adding anything new
23:37:06 <procto> so I followed them to their sources
23:37:14 <procto> and isolated a list of mostly content creater-
23:37:25 <procto> nd a few high level aggregators
23:37:41 <procto> as seen as I see a subject that is getting over replicated
23:37:47 <procto> I add a gmail filter rule
23:37:50 <procto> to remove it
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