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00:29:33 <zachb> .u theta
00:29:34 <phenny> U+03D1 GREEK THETA SYMBOL (ϑ)
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01:11:34 <jsled> Oh my. http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/05/clown-face-pork-lunc.html
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01:40:24 <jsled> lolzor. http://orezscu.blogspot.com/2008/05/foto-kwiz-5-not-really-kwiz.html
01:43:02 <jsled> Awesome (Moon illusion + lunar eclipse + Antarctica): http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080504.html
01:43:07 <jsled> swhacker: help
01:43:11 <jsled> swhacker: url
01:43:14 <jsled> swhacker: Monty?
01:43:16 <Monty> polka-dot tricky dynamite.
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02:07:40 <Monty> procto: emergence
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02:14:23 <Monty> Thank goodness, tonybaloney867 is back!
02:14:39 <tonybaloney867> Monty: Any trouble while I was gone?
02:14:43 <Monty> -and this year (285th in soviet #bytesexual, ok so when applied to resort to me
02:14:49 <jsled> )
02:15:15 <Arnia> [[[
02:20:36 <jsled> ]]] /me wonders if Arnia is just pushing my balance-buttons. [[[
02:20:46 <Arnia> [[[
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02:26:50 * tonybaloney867 must resist the urge to mess with Arnia's quote thingy
02:27:07 <Arnia> ]]]
02:27:10 <Arnia> ]]]
02:27:15 <Arnia> (for jsled)
02:27:27 <jsled> (*pant* Thanks.)
02:27:38 <Arnia> Monty: imbibe
02:27:38 <Monty> Right...
02:27:44 <Arnia> Monty: really
02:27:46 <Monty> hm... http://www.desktopfactory.com/
02:27:59 <Arnia> Monty: thinking of printing yourself a body?
02:28:10 <Monty> Cognitive or signable concepts. I hesitate to preserve the cpu burn out tonight, get enough people would rather a statement of unreliable processors." - good online community, what has less technical department?
02:28:57 <Arnia> Monty: plum has a very un-technical department, if you know what I mean
02:29:00 <Monty> fail-safe nose hairs scrapes thin sadomasochism :(
02:29:01 <plum> monty has said seven kinky twice, you would be suprised how big my bugget if you don't know you.
02:29:02 <Monty> have gnash?
02:29:26 * tonybaloney867 wonders if Monty's utterances would count as word salad
02:29:27 <Monty> :o
02:29:51 <Arnia> Sometimes I wonder which of us are the bots
02:29:56 <tonybaloney867> Monty: Don't be insulted. It's a symptom of something potentially wrong with you neurologically
02:29:58 <Monty> As we all know, techroam is chewy :P
02:30:36 <Arnia> Chewy good or chewy bad?
02:30:40 <tonybaloney867> To be honest, I do forget whether a few of the cast of characters in the nicklist are bots
02:30:49 <tonybaloney867> Though I know Monty is a bot :)
02:30:49 <Monty> hehe
02:31:08 * Arnia hands tonybaloney867 a plum
02:31:12 <plum> wtf do you mean hand-bag dimension? he can hold your hand as you cross the road. lmao
02:31:29 * Arnia stuff plum into the handbag dimension with Monty
02:31:29 <Monty> oh... not terribly involved in usage
02:31:34 <plum> i dont have to do stuff with anyone all the time, when i display the index page i get the none parsed chunk.
02:31:56 <tonybaloney867> Is plum algorithmically different from Monty?
02:31:59 <plum> is that so monty? monty always makes sense.
02:31:59 <Monty> It's scary when you hate alreet biography.
02:32:00 <Monty> ook
02:32:46 <Arnia> tonybaloney867: Can't comment. We all know my output is basically the same as a markov chain bot
02:33:06 <tonybaloney867> HAH!
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02:56:21 <deltab> tonybaloney867: yes, it does something to get complete sentences
02:56:38 <tonybaloney867> Ahhh
02:57:20 <tonybaloney867> because I notice that plum is a hair more coherent most of the time on average
02:57:25 <plum> pls notice the quotes, there were two people getting their hair cut whilst you were in the status would be super handy.
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05:09:51 <cre8radix> heya
05:10:04 <xover> Why? What have you heard?
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05:10:41 <cre8radix> .
05:10:43 <cre8radix> ah
05:11:18 <cre8radix> so house it?
05:15:25 <tonybaloney867> Monty: Why are the two main types of USB host controllers subtly incompatible at times?
05:15:26 <Monty> mural == pals;
05:15:43 <xover> Shits and giggles?
05:15:57 <cre8radix> :)
05:17:56 <tonybaloney867> My friend built a piece of hardware that's a USB rocket launcher and fishtank heater and it doesn't work on OHCI/EHCI hosts but works fine on UHCI/EHCI hosts
05:18:14 <tonybaloney867> I don't know what's odder - this incompatibility or the fact that my friend built this thing
05:39:42 <xover> Long IRC nicks make the baby jesus cry.
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06:52:15 <sbp> yo
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08:05:04 <Monty> bah, it's kwijibo again
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08:36:08 <laplink> .title http://use.perl.org/articles/08/05/03/1033231.shtml
08:36:12 <phenny> laplink: use Perl | This Fortnight on perl5-porters - 13-27 April 2008
08:38:26 <laplink> [[[
08:38:26 <laplink> Perl simply isn't broken enough. Most things work too well, hence […] they
08:38:26 <laplink> don't get sucked into core development[.] Maybe we need to start adding bugs, […]
08:38:26 <laplink>
08:38:26 <laplink> "Your program works very nicely. It would be a shame if something went wrong
08:38:26 <laplink> with it, wouldn't it? ..."
08:38:28 <laplink> ]]] -- Nicholas Clark, on possible future revenue schemes.
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09:16:26 <phenny> cube root of (384 squared) = 147456 cube (?) of (?) root (?)
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10:26:07 * Arnia nurses his hangover
10:26:49 <laplink> Enjoy!
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10:36:38 <Arnia> Evil hangovers :p
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10:37:07 <Morbus> .c 31986/1096096 * 100
10:37:08 <phenny> (31 986 / 1 096 096) * 100 = 2.91817505
10:37:17 <Morbus> .c 61994/1996796 * 100
10:37:18 <phenny> (61 994 / 1 996 796) * 100 = 3.10467369
10:37:21 * Morbus grumbles.
10:37:51 <nsh> what the wrong?
10:37:54 <nsh> except typing on a finnish keyboard layout wearing latex gloves
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10:53:09 <sbp> yo
10:53:48 <Arnia> yoyo
10:56:41 <sbp> what up?
10:57:44 <sbp> my computer's all "phew, it's hot today"
11:00:02 <Arnia> I'm all achy and hungover and 'oh I wish I could just sleep'
11:00:23 <Arnia> But I've got to go to the bank and figure out what the hell has happened to my money
11:01:52 <sbp> oh dear. did they lose it?
11:02:02 <sbp> I've been out taking pictures
11:04:50 <Arnia> Abbey's cashpoint declined my card last night after struggling to read it for a minute. Halifax afterwards, did give me money. But I'm nervous now
11:05:16 <ja> still uses magnetic strip?
11:05:18 <ja> thats so 70s
11:05:21 <ja> or is it RFID
11:05:32 <Arnia> Chip and Pin
11:05:36 <Arnia> So neither :p
11:05:52 <ja> ic
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12:18:44 <Arnia> A paper title: "Wearable talking fish."
12:18:53 <Arnia> http://aimone.ca/fish.pdf
12:19:52 <nsh> babelicious
12:20:32 <nsh> how's the plural a ting?
12:20:43 <Arnia> ting and tang
12:20:51 <laplink> g
12:20:53 <laplink> og
12:21:06 <nsh> .gd desponsibility
12:21:08 <phenny> desponsibility: No definition found!
12:21:10 <laplink> .gc "ting og tang"
12:21:11 <phenny> "ting og tang": 227,000
12:21:25 <laplink> phenny: "ting og tang"?
12:21:34 <nsh> .gs * desponsibility
12:21:48 <phenny> * desponsibility: No results!
12:21:49 <phenny> laplink: I think it's Danish, which I can't translate.
12:21:53 <laplink> sbp2002: Was phenny this lazy back in 2002?
12:21:54 <sbp2002> he'll be breeding them next
12:22:02 <laplink> Close enough phenny, close enough.
12:22:35 <nsh> existentialist user interface, eh
12:22:40 <sbp> breeding phennies... interesting idea
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12:22:55 <laplink> Isn't that pretty much what you've been doing since?
12:23:02 <sbp> yeah, good point
12:23:18 <sbp> in my phenny-breeding laboratories
12:23:27 <laplink> Not stables?
12:23:30 <nsh> Arnia: this paper is full of can't-quite-be-sure-it's-intentional lulz
12:23:32 <laplink> Vats?
12:23:47 <sbp> well the vats are in the labs which are in the stables
12:23:50 <nsh> Vaticans, in my breedery? It's more common than you'd think
12:23:58 <nsh> oo
12:24:16 <nsh> punk band name happened earlier: Ultrasound Gerbils
12:24:20 <sbp> because then when DEFRA turn up I can just pull a big lever and they all go underground
12:24:26 <nsh> must remember that one for something subversive
12:24:29 <sbp> and up pop flower troughs and stuff
12:24:37 * nsh smiles
12:24:40 <nsh> woah
12:24:45 <nsh> chatzilla makes me do stuff in italics
12:24:47 <sbp> Ultrasound Gerbil: that's like, the Chipmunks II?
12:24:52 * nsh layin' easy, gangsta lean
12:24:57 <Arnia> nsh: never said that it was well-written, just that the title amused me
12:25:07 <nsh> man, this brings a whole new perspective to my irc actioning
12:25:11 <nsh> Arnia: true that mang
12:25:12 <sbp> nsh: so. I made http://inamidst.com/stuff/q/calendar
12:25:22 <sbp> this is a list of events in the year I figured are worth celebrating
12:25:28 <sbp> I got them from Wikipedia
12:25:29 <nsh> you're always makin' stuffs
12:25:33 <nsh> but, cool
12:25:40 <nsh> ooo
12:25:42 <sbp> now, I wanted to note that Finland has a *lot* of bizarre holidays
12:25:44 <nsh> retroTEXT
12:25:46 <nsh> yeah
12:25:53 <sbp> like, almost every three days it's a holiday for some culture thing
12:25:55 <nsh> the other day everyone was dressed up like boy scouts
12:25:57 <nsh> not sure what that's about
12:25:59 <sbp> ahahaha
12:26:22 <nsh> then they put some first year technical students in a metal cage (no lies) and dipped them in the river
12:26:24 <sbp> the only one I noted down is Kalevala Day
12:26:34 <sbp> hmm. sounds fairly sensible
12:26:45 <nsh> was hopin' for hydrolicsFail
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12:26:49 <sbp> they need a dip every now and then
12:26:49 <nsh> but no the happen
12:26:51 <sbp> they're like sheep
12:27:00 <nsh> truly
12:27:16 <nsh> in less amusing news
12:27:19 <sbp> hmm. no events until the 8th
12:27:22 <sbp> (VE Day)
12:27:24 * nsh had his mobile phone and laptop stolen on friday
12:27:29 <sbp> eek
12:27:43 <sbp> no remote-self-destruct/trace/horse-porn code on it?
12:27:44 <nsh> yah, stuff's a chore when it stops being yours all a sudden
12:27:57 <nsh> nah, just about a year's work
12:28:03 * realist notes there's no "sysadmin's day"
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12:28:10 <sbp> ¡ay ay ay!, no es bueno
12:28:11 <nsh> but i'm all nonproductive
12:28:15 <realist> Nor a "talk like a pirate day"
12:28:16 <nsh> so my work is just bookmarks and notes
12:28:19 <nsh> so it's not the end of the world
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12:28:24 <sbp> realist: Talk Like a Pirate Day is on there!
12:28:45 <realist> Must've overlooked it :-(
12:28:47 <nsh> chatzilla is weird
12:28:49 <nsh> woah
12:28:55 <nsh> it's putting stupid icons in my chats now
12:28:56 <sbp> 19th - International Talk Like a Pirate Day
12:29:02 <sbp> :-) :-) :-)
12:29:06 <nsh> ARGFH
12:29:10 <nsh> get them the gone!
12:29:20 <sbp> :o) :o :) :-) :-( :-| :() :>
12:29:26 <Arnia> No All Souls Day?
12:29:32 <nsh> :-) the test
12:29:33 <nsh> ah
12:29:36 <sbp> ah, I was debating All Souls Day
12:29:40 <nsh> still didn't purginate the oldsome ones
12:29:50 <sbp> basically I went through judging awesome
12:29:52 <nsh> ALL PREPARE TEH SLASH CLEAR IS A COMING
12:29:58 <sbp> and I couldn't figure out what the All Souls Day awesome was
12:30:01 <nsh> CONVERSATION CANNOT DEPEND ON PREVIOUSLY SAIDSTUFFS NOW
12:30:03 <sbp> it's November 2nd, right?
12:30:07 <Arnia> Yeah
12:30:12 <Arnia> Day of ghosts?
12:30:17 <Arnia> Pretty cool to me
12:31:00 <sbp> hmm. well St. Mark's Day is kinda like that
12:31:21 <sbp> then again, I don't have St. Mark's Day down either
12:31:40 <sbp> okay, the thing about All Souls is that in the Anglican faith it's merged with All Saints
12:32:17 <Arnia> Really?
12:32:20 <sbp> so I'm not sure whether to add them both, or just All Saints, or neither
12:32:20 <Arnia> Oh... ok
12:32:29 <Arnia> Damn anglicanism ;)
12:32:40 <sbp> “At the Reformation the celebration of All Souls' Day was fused with All Saints' Day in the Anglican Church, though it was renewed individually in certain churches in connection with the Catholic Revival of the 19th century.”
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12:34:01 * sbp Googles about it
12:34:13 <nsh> in italics, no less
12:35:01 <sbp> eh, I'll add them both
12:36:39 <sbp> Arnia: added, thanks! any more suggestions?
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12:37:19 <Arnia> sbp: The day Dillinger got killed
12:37:52 <sbp> hmm. 22nd July
12:37:57 <sbp> any particular reason?
12:38:11 <Arnia> The Illuminati Trilogy
12:38:20 <Arnia> John Dillinger Died To Save You
12:38:21 <sbp> odd. it's also Ratcatcher's Day
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12:39:18 <Arnia> Crowley's birthday?
12:39:26 <Arnia> And John Dee's birthday actually
12:40:57 <sbp> ooh, John Dee!
12:41:41 <sbp> added Dee. shouldn't really, because that's an exceptionally slippery slope
12:42:14 <sbp> cf. http://inamidst.com/topic/cover
12:42:15 <sbp> .title
12:42:15 <phenny> sbp: My Sgt. Pepper's
12:42:33 <sbp> (which, notice, contains both Crowley and Dee)
12:42:53 <sbp> but not Coleridge. heh. bit out of date
12:43:03 <sbp> nor a few others I'd probably change it to
12:44:29 <Arnia> Very interesting though
12:44:36 <Arnia> I wonder who I would put on such a list
12:44:43 <sbp> yeah, I'd love to see it
12:45:25 <Arnia> might give it a thought when I want a distraction
12:45:37 <Arnia> There would probably be some overlap
12:47:44 <Arnia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee
12:47:47 * Arnia blinks
12:48:24 <sbp> Trevor Cutler? awesome
12:48:26 <sbp> didn't know that
12:50:21 * sbp starts work on a revised list
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12:51:30 <Talliesin> What degree of overlap do you have with the beatles cover?
12:51:39 * Talliesin spots the four beatles, and Crowley
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12:54:24 <sbp> yeah, a fair bit. Rodia and Dylan too
12:54:53 <sbp> hmm, actually that might be it
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13:07:25 <Arnia> The new Oxfam advert is a bit strange
13:07:30 <Arnia> The insects bother me
13:08:29 <sbp> Oxfam advert? the one with all the shooting?
13:08:36 <sbp> claymationesque thing?
13:08:53 <Arnia> Yeah... with the Muse soundtrack
13:09:45 <sbp> that is a pretty freaky advert, I agree
13:09:59 <sbp> I would never have guessed it was an Oxfam advert at the start
13:10:02 <sbp> even with all the hints
13:10:10 <sbp> actually I thought it was a Lloyds advert
13:10:23 <sbp> I mean, it looks like it's made by the same animation/advertisement firm
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13:10:44 <sbp> I thought it was going to say that Lloyds support good causes and stuff
13:10:57 <realist> Australian humour, despite recent cabbie demonstrators here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpJbpxS2R1s
13:11:01 <sbp> .title
13:11:28 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - Cabbies' worst passengers - Enough Rope
13:11:41 <realist> Andrew Denton's talk show
13:12:47 <Arnia> sbp: yeah. I think it might be Aardman (they did the Comfort ones I know)
13:13:12 <sbp> hmm. it didn't feel like the Aardman style to me, but they might be innovating
13:13:15 <sbp> let's find out!
13:13:33 <Arnia> .g oxfam advert injustice
13:13:34 <phenny> Arnia: http://www.visit4info.com/advert/Oxfam-Breathe-Light-on-Injustice-Oxfam/58624
13:13:36 <sbp> ô lazyweb, lazyweb, on the net, tell us whom on which to bet!
13:13:59 <sbp> [[[
13:14:00 <sbp> Agency
13:14:00 <sbp> Rainey Kelly Campbell Roalfe Y & R
13:14:00 <sbp> Director
13:14:00 <sbp> SSSR
13:14:00 <sbp> Creative
13:14:02 <sbp> Steve Moss, Jo Finch
13:14:06 <sbp> Production Co
13:14:08 <sbp> Passion Pictures
13:14:10 <sbp> Planner
13:14:12 <sbp> Joanna Bamford, Richard Shotton
13:14:14 <sbp> ]]]
13:14:50 <sbp> aha!
13:14:53 <sbp> and the Lloyds one:
13:14:53 <sbp> Agency
13:14:54 <sbp> Rainey Kelly Campbell Roalfe Y & R
13:15:00 <sbp> - http://www.visit4info.com/advert/Lloyds-TSB-Save-The-Change-For-The-Journey-Lloyds-TSB-Personal-banking-Range/42883
13:15:07 <sbp> dirrect director and production co. though
13:15:16 <sbp> I'd have thought the production company would be the bulk of the style
13:15:48 <Arnia> yeah... perhaps they're a really domineering agency
13:15:49 <sbp> s/dirrect/different/
13:15:53 <sbp> heh, yeah
13:16:54 <sbp> huh, they did the Virgin Atlantic one too according to their website
13:17:27 <Arnia> Must have been a different person though
13:17:33 <sbp> their website's actually irritatingly fun
13:17:45 <sbp> with all the little dudes at the bottom. even if it is a Flash popout
13:18:01 <Arnia> ah, this advert is a good example of style-borrowing: http://www.visit4info.com/advert/Citroen-C5-Unmistakeably-German-Made-in-France-Citroen-C5-Range/58020
13:19:51 <Arnia> BBC Six Nations too... lots of work for the Home Office, and the M&S adverts
13:19:58 <Arnia> They're to blame for Food Porn!
13:21:34 <sbp> bwahaha. that was pretty funny
13:21:41 <sbp> also it has a young lady on a horse
13:22:16 <nslater> lolquote of the day, "You can also see this with HTML+CSS ; having a totally skinnable set of HTML means constructing the HTML markup with CSS design in mind. For example, you shouldn't use IMG tags but instead replaceable DIVs.." - Jeff Atwood, http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001112.html
13:22:22 <sbp> huh, they did the food porn stuff? man
13:22:33 <sbp> odd that I skipped that in the sidebar
13:23:42 <sbp> “No! Not always - images can be part of the content.”
13:23:51 <sbp> what a thread
13:24:01 <nslater> RED ALERT, DETECTING LARGE AMOUNTS OF FAIL IN THIS SECTOR
13:24:29 <sbp> hehe
13:24:41 <clsn> Images are never part of the content. Nobody looks at pictures on the web. Web-surfers are studious and diligent, carefully reading the *text*, where everyone knows the real content is.
13:26:21 <sbp> Captain's Log, stardate: supplementary. We have acquired orbit around an M-class planet made of pure failium. Its cultures have all failed. Its seas are made of liquid fail, and its mountains are tons of failite heaped upon failite. In summary, we have found this entire planet to be made of anus and fail. Next time Q pops up, I will suggest he take a vacation here.
13:26:55 <nslater> woah, dont be dissin' Q, that guy is made of win and boobs
13:27:01 <sbp> hehe
13:27:12 <sbp> I don't think boobs are the opposite of anus
13:27:20 <nslater> they are in _my_ universe
13:27:26 <sbp> fair enough
13:27:30 <nsh> so
13:27:36 <sbp> man, now I have to think what is the opposite
13:27:46 <clsn> Yeah, was going to ask.
13:27:46 <sbp> .gs * and win
13:27:47 <phenny> * and win: wish (2), spin (2), scratch (2), osgi (2), enter (2)
13:27:53 * nsh needs to scam about £400 to cover being mugged
13:27:57 <nslater> one is not so nice and goes inwards, the other is nice and goes outwards
13:28:05 <realist> Oh I'm so glad this channel is publicly logged
13:28:05 <nslater> seems pretty straight forward to me.....
13:28:06 <nsh> any zanynuts suggestions?
13:28:06 <sbp> nsh: no insurance?
13:28:18 <clsn> "scratch and win" is common enough in lottery games, but in discussing "anus" somehow it gains another meaning.
13:28:26 <nsh> sbp, there is insurance
13:28:40 <sbp> hahaha
13:28:48 <nsh> rofl
13:28:48 <sbp> nsh: but? and?
13:30:01 <nsh> but scamz is scamztastic
13:30:14 <sbp> oh I know. remember when your aerocarrier destroyed it?
13:30:25 <nsh> yah
13:30:34 <nsh> damn carrymenots
13:30:41 <sbp> tell them that they destroyed it so hard that its component atoms all got loose somehow and are now doing odd things to monkeys on Gibraltar Rock
13:31:03 <nsh> noted :-)
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13:31:29 <nsh> I semi-impulse bought a new laptop on ebay earlier today
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13:31:43 <sbp> trackpad or nipple?
13:31:58 <nsh> (because it would save me from fully-impulse buying one at the supermarket this evening, more much moar valuefail)
13:32:01 * nslater may also be purchasing a laptop today
13:32:05 <sbp> trackpad or nipple?
13:32:06 <nsh> mmm, can't remember
13:32:07 <xover> Hadn't we allready established nsh as a tit man?
13:32:17 <nsh> if it's trackpad, i'll have it nippled at the vets
13:32:17 <sbp> nope, nslater established
13:32:21 <sbp> hehe
13:32:23 <xover> ah
13:32:27 <xover> Ass man then?
13:32:40 <nslater> I am a tit man?
13:32:43 <sbp> nsh is apparently forgetful of his inclination
13:32:47 <sbp> nslater: yeah
13:32:48 <xover> So you intimated.
13:32:58 <sbp> 15:07 <sbp> I don't think boobs are the opposite of anus
13:32:58 <sbp> 15:07 <nslater> they are in _my_ universe
13:33:15 <nsh> no nipplage :-/
13:33:18 <nslater> that's shakey evidence at best
13:33:34 <sbp> nsh: heh, it has a faster processor than my desktop computer
13:33:34 <xover> So you don't like tits then?
13:33:49 <nsh> sbp, well
13:33:53 <clsn> sbp: told Arnia about this; one of those "oooh, cool! now what good is it?" moments. www.ponoko.com
13:33:54 <nslater> oh yeah, I love tits, but perhaps not enough to officially call me "Mr. Tit Man"
13:33:58 <nsh> it's pretty shady performance maths
13:34:01 <clsn> Maybe you can think of something.
13:34:11 <xover> You're either with us or against us.
13:34:19 <nsh> dual core @ 1.7ghz doesn't really equal 3.4ghz
13:34:21 <sbp> yeah, I looked up CPU statistics a while ago
13:34:34 <sbp> nobody really knows how fast any processor is anymore, it seems
13:34:45 <clsn> Unless you drop it off a cliff.
13:34:49 <sbp> so many benchmarks, so little good presentation of results of said benchmarks, etc.
13:34:51 <sbp> yeah
13:34:51 <nsh> but we can state their positions with reasonable accuracy
13:35:03 <clsn> Then it's pretty simple gravitational acceleration, and air resistance.
13:35:08 <sbp> clsn: yeah, seen ponoko... via you the other day I think!
13:35:16 <sbp> that is pretty awesome, but
13:35:20 <clsn> Oh ok. nevermind. still can't think of a use for it.
13:35:20 <nslater> mutli core processing is not useful for most regular tasks, so it's mostely pointless for general use
13:35:22 <sbp> I looked at the site for a while
13:35:25 <sbp> and I was... ehheh
13:35:27 <sbp> yeah, exactly
13:35:31 <sbp> same problem here
13:35:39 <sbp> it's like, it teases you with possibilities
13:35:47 <sbp> you can create ANYTHING now, and have it shipped
13:35:52 <clsn> Except maybe for making Klingon scrabble, which a lot of ppl have already done by hand. (incidentally, scrabble in Klingon is an excellent game).
13:36:02 <sbp> and you sit there going "um... I know! an electric ca... oh no. hmm"
13:36:10 <sbp> ooh, neat
13:36:25 <clsn> It's also less cool when you find yourself realizing it's all just cut up flat thingies. Making stuff that fits together seems compicated.
13:36:38 <nsh> hey
13:36:39 <Arnia> nslater: uh. Please please please say you're kidding
13:36:41 <clsn> yeah, exactly. "oooh, I know, I'll... no..."
13:36:42 <nslater> sweet, i am greated with a large photo of a woman's breasts, I like this site already
13:36:43 <nsh> what does ram cost these days?
13:36:45 <sbp> mmm
13:36:56 * nsh just noticed the 4gb ram upgrade offer
13:36:58 <Arnia> nslater: I'd like to point to Core Animation for example
13:36:58 <nslater> Arnia: nope, not kidding
13:37:06 <nsh> wondering if i should tell the dude to add it the ups
13:37:14 <nslater> Arnia: i said general purpose, not ray tracing, games, gene sequencing etc
13:37:22 <Arnia> Which schedules threads so that the UI work is always on the other core to the controller work
13:37:26 <nslater> Arnia: text editing, firefox, etc
13:37:31 <nsh> oh, no wait
13:37:39 <clsn> One guy had designed stuff that you twist and it pops 3D, which is at least clever.
13:37:41 <nsh> i think it's talking about upgrade from 1 to 2 gb
13:37:43 <nsh> which is the free
13:38:03 <nslater> Arnia: the "general purpose" bit was carefully placed, I am aware multi core has it's uses, but for an average home user, it's not usually important
13:38:23 <Arnia> nslater: yes, all of which are multithreaded (or some equivalent abstraction)
13:38:29 <nsh> for the average home user, *you're* not usually important
13:38:37 <nslater> Arnia: emacs is multi threaded?
13:38:43 <nsh> whoa, chatzilla actually made the "you're" moar bolder
13:38:50 <sbp> *WOAH*
13:38:54 <nsh> that almost makes up for its inherent uglies
13:38:54 <sbp> ***WHAT ABOUT THIS***
13:38:55 <Monty> yes...
13:39:03 <nsh> not additive :+/
13:39:04 <Arnia> nslater: and if there is a decent separation of concerns, the UI and the model controller can be run in parallel
13:39:06 <nsh> :-/
13:39:08 <clsn> Probably _underlines_ stuff too.
13:39:09 <nsh> stupid finnish keyboards
13:39:10 <sbp> ********************HEY******************** ********************NSH********************
13:39:12 <sbp> oh. bummer
13:39:24 <Arnia> nslater: and the result is that the UI feels less clunky
13:39:25 <nsh> clsn: crazily the yes
13:39:31 * nsh experiments
13:39:31 <clsn> And maybe even /italicizes/
13:39:38 * Arnia points at Core Animation hard
13:39:38 <sbp> |what about code|?
13:39:53 <nsh> <s> muggles </s>
13:39:55 <nsh> bah
13:39:58 <nsh> nopers
13:40:11 <nsh> Arnia: what's a core animation?
13:40:20 * nsh hopes it involves drilling to the centre of the earth
13:40:23 <clsn> It's not uncommon; my mail reader I think does much the same. * for boldness etc.
13:40:32 <Arnia> .wik Core Animation
13:40:33 <phenny> "Core Animation is a data visualization API used by Mac OS X 10.5 to produce animated user interfaces.[1]|" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Animation
13:40:41 <nsh> (yes to italicisation)
13:40:53 <nsh> hmm, i almost want to spell that italicization
13:40:59 <nsh> because the c and s look wrong near each other
13:41:03 <nsh> weird
13:41:17 <clsn> /italics/ ftƿ
13:41:32 <nsh> wtf is that last char?
13:41:38 <clsn> .u ƿ
13:41:38 <phenny> U+01BF LATIN LETTER WYNN (ƿ)
13:41:44 <nsh> rofl
13:41:46 <nsh> awesome
13:41:53 <nsh> clsn++
13:41:55 <sbp> /s/_o_ *w*/h/_a_*t* /d/_o_*e*/s/ _t_*h*/i/_s_ *l*/o/_o_*k* /l/_i_*k*/e/?
13:42:04 <sbp> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
13:42:05 <nslater> Arnia: you're correct of course, dual core does have it's uses, I guess I'm just tired of the multi core hype in the same way as I am tired of the megapixles hype
13:42:05 <clsn> Another letter that deserves a little more coverage.
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13:42:35 <clsn> I already spell Þursday like that pretty consistently... And I'd like to get in the habit of making more uſe of long-s...
13:42:42 <Arnia> nslater: remember, this is for a single application. When you have *many* applications running, the benefits are even greater
13:43:02 <sbp> clsn: j'approve
13:43:03 <Arnia> Or several threads of control (whether or not actual threads)
13:43:05 <nslater> Arnia: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000942.html
13:43:14 <nsh> Arnia: implicit animation is pretty cool, in that "oh yeah, pretty obvious once you think of it" way
13:43:25 <sbp> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Great-Moon-Hoax-1835-New-York-Sun-lithograph-298px.jpg
13:43:30 <sbp> The Great Moon Hoax
13:43:34 <clsn> otoh, where's that website written with þ and ſ all throughout and horrible to read...
13:43:35 <nsh> nslater: all hype is the wank
13:43:40 <Arnia> nslater: yes, that is more a problem with the abstraction of threads
13:43:40 <nsh> you can't let hype taint the hyped
13:43:54 <sbp> clsn: er, I have that somewhere. hang on
13:44:05 * nsh clicks sbp's link with great trepidation
13:44:10 <sbp> clsn: http://everywitchway.net/linguistics/languages/english/reform.html
13:44:20 <Arnia> nslater: which is why research is moving away from threads now, and why Cocoa in 10.5 provides a different abstraction mechanism
13:44:28 <nsh> .ety trepidation
13:44:28 <phenny> "1605, from L. trepidationem (nom. trepidatio) 'agitation, alarm, trembling,' noun of action from pp. stem of trepidare 'to tremble, hurry,' from trepidus 'alarmed, scared,' from PIE *trep- 'to shake, tremble' (cf. Skt. trprah 'hasty,' O.C.S. trepetati 'to tremble'), [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=trepidation
13:44:29 <sbp> ‘One might aſk me, “And who are You to propoſe ſuch a þing? What buſineſs is it of Yours to reform a language, eſpecially after Your vehement oppoſition to þe recent reformation of þe german tongue after þe Rechtſchreibreform?”’
13:44:45 <clsn> Yeah, that was it.
13:44:53 <sbp> I think you ought to blame the crap font though, really
13:45:03 <sbp> I imagine it would be more readable in 1.1em Georgia...
13:45:06 <nslater> "Moore’s law is still holding, but the processors get wider not faster. Now that the best and the brightest have spent a decade building and debugging threading frameworks in Java and .NET, it’s increasingly starting to look like threading is a bad idea; don’t go there. I’ve personally changed my formerly-pro-threading position on this 180º since joining Sun four years ago." - Tim Bray, ...
13:45:13 <nslater> ... http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/04/24/Inflection
13:45:14 <nsh> oh man
13:45:19 <clsn> To an extent. I do like to think it can be done tastefully and legibly. Maybe if it's less consistent.
13:45:20 <nsh> memristors
13:45:28 <sbp> then again, I'm used to reading early modern english anyway, so hard for me to judge
13:45:51 <Arnia> nslater: threading is only *one* abstraction!
13:45:54 <clsn> ſ is more acceptable in italic or handwriting, where there's a little of the bottom curve left.
13:46:08 * nsh suspects now would be a good time to invest in hewlett packard stocks
13:46:19 <nslater> Arnia: sure, I don't know of any others
13:46:20 <sbp> and when it doesn't have the annoying barb on it
13:46:25 <nsh> (stocks of toner, that is)
13:46:32 <sbp> I mean seriously, font designers
13:46:32 <nslater> more expensive than oil
13:46:35 <clsn> The barb makes me wonder. Who the hell was the bright spark who thought of that?
13:46:37 <sbp> don't put that barb on the long s
13:46:43 <sbp> yeah. wtf
13:47:06 <clsn> "Hmm... you know, this s doesn't look enough like an f... Maybe... yeah, that'll work! And it's easy to tell because the crossbar doesn't go all the way through."
13:47:12 <sbp> hehe
13:47:20 <clsn> "It's a good thing our type is ALWAYS perfectly inked."
13:47:26 <sbp> oh man
13:47:28 <nsh> maybe everyone in the middle ages had a lisp
13:47:32 <Arnia> nslater: I suggest your education is lacking then. STM is another powerful one, as is NSOperation's abstraction.
13:47:35 <nsh> that's always been my understanding
13:47:45 <sbp> ffffffffffffffffffffffſfffffffffffffffffff
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13:47:53 <sbp> quick spot the impostor!
13:47:54 <clsn> What's really gross is finding uppercased versions that use F. *shudder*
13:48:01 <Arnia> nslater: there are all sorts of things you can do with closure-using programming language semantics
13:48:11 <nslater> Arnia: of course it is, this is _not_ my area at all
13:48:12 <nsh> .wik STM
13:48:12 <Monty> All Saints' Day was epic
13:48:12 <phenny> "STMicroelectronics, an Italian-French manufacturer of electronics and semiconductors" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM
13:48:15 <clsn> It's easy to spot like that; it stands out among them I think. Maybe with spaces between would beharder?
13:48:27 <Arnia> Software Transactional Memory
13:48:32 <nsh> mmm
13:48:38 <nsh> .wik Software Transactional Memory
13:48:39 <phenny> "In computer science, software transactional memory (STM) is a concurrency control mechanism analogous to database transactions for controlling access to shared memory in concurrent computing." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Transactional_Memory
13:48:45 <sbp> f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f ſ f f f f f f f f f f f f ſ f f f f f f f f f f
13:48:51 <Arnia> nslater: but it should be really
13:48:57 <clsn> Yeah. Harder. I can still find (2) of them./
13:49:00 <nsh> .wik NSOperation
13:49:02 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "NSOperation".
13:49:02 <sbp> :-)
13:49:05 <clsn> But definitely more difficult.
13:49:13 <Arnia> nslater: at least an overall understanding of what's out there
13:49:19 * Arnia wants a vector machine
13:49:31 <sbp> I wonder if synasthetes could do it much quicker
13:49:37 <sbp> s/a/æ/
13:49:39 <clsn> Ooooh, would be cool to experiment with that and a synæsthete who differentiates f and s...
13:49:41 <nslater> Arnia: why? there's too much information for me to absorb with the stuff I'm interested in
13:49:44 * clsn grins... great minds.
13:49:56 * nsh the smiles
13:50:07 <Arnia> nslater: because you have to write software differently?
13:50:27 * nsh frowns
13:50:27 <Arnia> Since you're a coder, I presume writing software appropriately is important to you...
13:50:43 <clsn> With a vector machine you have to write software that goes from pt A to pt B, without going along the raster lines. Uh huh.
13:50:49 <nslater> that's an overly vague statement to make
13:50:54 <sbp> I like everywitchway's bōþ for both
13:50:59 <sbp> because it looks like bop
13:51:03 <sbp> and bop is an awesome word
13:51:08 * nsh nods
13:51:17 <clsn> Freecell wouldn't be in an array. Very important for playing solitaire on one.
13:51:37 <Arnia> nslater: to take advantage of parallelism, you have to pay much more attention to flows of information
13:51:57 <Arnia> nslater: software should be structured in the form of loosely coupled parallel flows
13:52:06 * nsh smiles
13:52:20 <nslater> your use of the word "should" suprised me
13:52:24 <nsh> wtf, the first paper i found on vector machines
13:52:27 <nsh> was written in 1983
13:52:35 <Arnia> nslater: context provided by previous sentence
13:53:09 <Arnia> nslater: the reason is that good parallel performance depends on reducing the causal dependencies
13:54:16 <Arnia> nslater: the fewer the causal dependencies, the less inter-process communication is necessary and it is IPC which is the largest overhead in parallel systems
13:54:34 <Arnia> (and distributed systems too)
13:57:05 * sbp returns with FööDS
13:57:16 * nsh muses on same
13:57:30 <nslater> .u esh
13:57:30 <phenny> U+0283 LATIN SMALL LETTER ESH (ʃ)
13:57:34 * nsh gets distracted and imagines Moses on X
13:57:44 <nsh> where X is replaced by a list of increasingly unlikely things to find Moses on
13:58:08 <sbp> Pitbull Saddleback
13:58:39 <nslater> .u voiceless postalveolar fricative
13:58:39 <Monty> "you"
13:58:40 <phenny> nslater: Sorry, no results for 'voiceless postalveolar fricative'.
13:58:45 <sbp> Your Girlfriend's Mind
13:58:47 <nsh> Moses on a sliver of glacier ice, painted in tie-die colours floating towards a waterfall over a camel plantation
13:58:55 <sbp> awesome
13:59:15 <sbp> Bill O'Reilly
13:59:20 <nsh> lol
13:59:29 <sbp> tonight at 9
13:59:37 <nsh> Moses on Prime Minister's question-time
13:59:41 <sbp> hehe
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14:00:35 <nsh> Moses [walking] on his hands, talking is a badly feigned australian accent
14:00:39 <sbp> so you know how Red Bull gives you wings?
14:00:49 <sbp> well, I wonder if it has pteroids in it?
14:00:49 <nsh> didn't it give some dude his wings
14:00:54 <nsh> but foar teh realz
14:01:08 <nsh> PTEROID STRIKE
14:01:09 <Monty> Kibbies is cuuuuute
14:01:18 <nsh> Monty: you're cuuuuuuute
14:01:22 <Monty> if (tooltips == posters) { volume-control admits responsibility for wiggly Whomp's Fortress;}
14:01:56 <sbp> Moses on a surfboard riding an avalanche wave down the brand new mountain that erupted out of the back garden of the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam last Saturday unbeknownst to all the world's press who were too busy ogling Kate Blanchett at the Cannes film festival
14:02:26 <nsh> ++++++++++immense+++++++++++
14:02:39 <sbp> ***************:-)***************
14:03:58 <nsh> hmm
14:04:23 <sbp> that should make your (erstwhile) smiley icon fill the whole page or something
14:04:31 <sbp> it should be so big that you can see the pores on its nose
14:04:42 <nsh> that would be cool
14:04:49 <nsh> but i bet that's just what chatzilla wants
14:04:52 <nsh> to drag me in
14:04:57 <nsh> to its sordid little world
14:05:06 <nsh> .gs sordid little *
14:05:07 <phenny> sordid little *: lives (4), griefhole (4), story (3), masterpiece (3), affair (3), tryst (2), sectarian (2), secrets (2), schemer (2), scenes (2), scene (2), plots (2)
14:05:14 <sbp> and then they get bought out by MS who make you pay a yearly rental fee and such
14:05:16 * nsh chuckles
14:05:24 <nsh> then i'd have to did a griefhole
14:05:31 <nsh> *dig
14:05:47 <sbp> .gc "your vagina is a sordid little griefhole"
14:05:48 <phenny> "your vagina is a sordid little griefhole": 0
14:05:51 <sbp> .gc "my vagina is a sordid little griefhole"
14:05:54 <phenny> "my vagina is a sordid little griefhole": 0
14:06:00 <nsh> Moses on antidepressants, digging a griefhole with a toothpick
14:06:05 <sbp> come on, intarwebs. comedy potential unbounded!
14:06:09 <sbp> ehheh
14:06:14 <jsled> .gc my * is a sordid little griefhole
14:06:14 <phenny> my * is a sordid little griefhole: 29
14:06:18 <jsled> .gs my * is a sordid little griefhole
14:06:19 <phenny> my * is a sordid little griefhole: No results!
14:06:29 <nsh> .gs * sordid little griefhole
14:06:31 <phenny> * sordid little griefhole: spazcats)
14:06:32 <sbp> .gc * is a sordid little griefhole
14:06:36 <phenny> * is a sordid little griefhole: 35
14:06:40 <sbp> argh
14:06:42 <sbp> .gs * is a sordid little griefhole
14:06:43 <nsh> .g spazcats sordid little griefhole
14:06:43 <phenny> * is a sordid little griefhole: No results!
14:06:44 <phenny> nsh: http://www.venkman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/spazcat.html
14:06:54 <chandler> .g "is a sordid little griefhole"
14:06:55 <phenny> chandler: No results found for '"is a sordid little griefhole"'.
14:06:57 <sbp> when jsled did it, I was thinking all "HAHAHAHA IDIOT :p"
14:07:06 <chandler> .g "sordid little griefhole"
14:07:06 <phenny> chandler: http://www.chavtowns.co.uk/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2091
14:07:21 <sbp> but using gs is really much harder than it looks
14:07:41 <xover> .gs using * is really much harder than it looks
14:07:43 <phenny> using * is really much harder than it looks: No results!
14:07:47 <nsh> pft
14:07:57 <xover> ...
14:08:37 * nsh tries to wrap his head aroung the concept of plastic-scousers
14:08:52 <nsh> there are people, who... aspire at scouserness...
14:09:02 <sbp> that's a scary page
14:09:16 <nsh> yeah mang
14:09:24 <nsh> oh
14:09:25 <nsh> btw
14:09:27 <nsh> wtfffffff
14:09:37 <nsh> is there some kinda international joke going on
14:09:44 <nsh> or did london elect boris johnson as mayor?
14:10:04 <Arnia> nsh: Boris has £12bn to play with
14:10:19 <nsh> this is not the cool
14:10:36 <sbp> oh, you missed all that eh?
14:10:42 * nsh nods
14:10:50 <sbp> they were on and on and on about it, as you can imagine
14:11:32 <sbp> one funny thing was the revelation, via Ken Livingstone, that Boris has mentioned the word "London" in parliament a grand total of...
14:11:38 <sbp> go on, guess. how many times?
14:11:39 <nsh> oh wait
14:11:48 <nsh> 67
14:11:51 <sbp> once
14:11:53 <nsh> no, too many
14:11:54 <nsh> oh man
14:11:58 <nsh> splendiferous
14:12:02 <nsh> on plus side
14:12:05 <nsh> he's not an MP any moar
14:12:11 <sbp> and he tried for ages to get Boris to guess, too
14:12:32 <sbp> well I don't think Henley will be going all "whoo, Boris is not representing us"
14:12:43 <sbp> I mean *I* don't mind that Henley had Boris as their MP...
14:12:51 <nsh> yeah
14:12:57 <nsh> it's tends to not work like that
14:13:10 <nsh> (being X-constituencies MP)
14:13:33 <nsh> it's moar like <these MPs> == all of our problems
14:13:40 <sbp> hehe
14:13:50 <Arnia> sbp: apparently he was a very good constituency MP
14:13:52 <sbp> oh, by the way
14:13:53 <nsh> *constituency's
14:13:58 <sbp> remember your tornado graph?
14:14:02 <sbp> of wealth distribution
14:14:03 <Arnia> (from people I know from Henley)
14:14:09 <nsh> sbp, yeah mang
14:14:09 <sbp> Arnia: doesn't surprise me too much
14:14:13 <nsh> that was awesome
14:14:19 <sbp> nsh: welp, tried finding one for Brazil?
14:14:29 <nsh> mm, nupers
14:14:42 <Arnia> My MP in Beaconsfield is a very good constituency MP too
14:14:42 <sbp> I was reading an article a while back (BBC News, I think?) that said that Brazil had one of the worst wealth distributions
14:14:52 <Arnia> Even if I disagree with him about certain things
14:14:59 <sbp> far worse even than places you'd obviously finger, like Russia or India or America
14:15:04 <Arnia> .wik Dominic Grieve
14:15:05 <phenny> "Dominic Charles Roberts Grieve, Q.C., M.P., (born May 24, 1956, Lambeth) British politician and barrister." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Grieve
14:15:29 <sbp> top result for Brazil wealth distribution says "Brazil comes second only to Bangladesh in the unevenness of its wealth distribution. "
14:15:35 <nsh> hmm
14:16:02 <nsh> oxfam has some beefs too
14:16:28 <sbp> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d4/Gini_since_WWII.gif/700px-Gini_since_WWII.gif
14:16:30 <nsh> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5037/is_199504/ai_n18297953
14:16:34 <nsh> wtf at the advert on that page...
14:17:03 <sbp> hehe, wtf at the design: http://static.flickr.com/63/179016223_dcff95bd48_o.jpg
14:17:21 <nsh> lawln
14:17:23 <sbp> .gc "real men wear gowns"
14:17:24 <phenny> "real men wear gowns": 16,000
14:17:34 <nsh> .gs real men wear *
14:17:34 <phenny> real men wear *: kilts (12), pink (9), gowns (9), bowties (6), tiaras (5), speedos (5), purple (5), ugg (4), houndstooth (4), black (4), beards (4), togas (3)
14:17:47 <nsh> so going to wear all of the above
14:17:51 <nsh> at next public opportunity
14:17:55 <sbp> see also http://statastic.com/2006/07/12/happiness-and-gini/
14:18:00 <sbp> you're going to wear ugg?
14:18:06 <nsh> YAH MANG
14:18:09 <nsh> you try and stop me
14:18:13 <sbp> k
14:18:14 <sbp> NSH
14:18:19 <sbp> DON'T WEAR UGG MANG
14:18:21 <nsh> whut?
14:18:24 <nsh> NO
14:18:28 <nsh> well
14:18:28 <sbp> k, I tried
14:18:30 <nsh> ok
14:18:33 <sbp> hehe
14:18:44 <nsh> soo
14:18:48 <nsh> i need some kinda entertainment
14:18:50 <sbp> so, how is Vanuatu the happiest place on earth?
14:18:57 <nsh> as i don't have a computer anymoar
14:19:02 <sbp> I think I understand why Columbia is second
14:19:08 <nsh> hehe
14:19:55 <sbp> [[[
14:19:55 <sbp> The upside is that GDP per capita is as good an indicator of happiness as other measures such as leisure time, equity, health, and social cohesion.
14:19:55 <sbp> No word on whether they talked to anyone in Vanuatu.
14:19:56 <sbp> ]]]
14:20:02 <Arnia> Oxfam advert on again
14:20:05 <Arnia> (appropriately)
14:20:09 <sbp> what side?
14:20:20 <Arnia> Sky Sports 2
14:20:25 <nsh> is it shocking?
14:20:33 <sbp> .wik Happy Planet Index
14:20:34 <phenny> "The Happy Planet Index (HPI) is an index of human well-being and environmental impact, introduced by the New Economics Foundation (NEF), in July 2006." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index
14:20:41 <nsh> apparantly you can't make people feel charitable any moar if you don't SHOCK AND DISGUST
14:20:52 <nsh> also works for making people not smoke
14:20:56 <sbp> we should only donate to really miserable fuckers I think
14:21:14 <sbp> according to the HPI, Zimbabwe is the least happy country
14:21:17 * Arnia shoots moralising self-serving charitable people
14:21:38 <sbp> USA is 150/178
14:21:51 <sbp> UK is 108/178
14:21:53 * clsn starts a charity to help moralising self-serving charitable people.
14:22:02 <sbp> Finland 123/178
14:22:11 <sbp> surprising. saunas and salmiakki don't work?
14:22:21 * nsh starts a charity to help scam money
14:22:23 <sbp> then again, all the dark, dark nights and gothy metal
14:22:28 <nsh> nah, it's all cold and dark
14:22:30 <nsh> yeah
14:22:34 <nsh> except right now
14:22:37 <sbp> heh
14:22:44 <nsh> the weather's been fucking ridiculously awesome lately
14:22:50 <sbp> wait, in this case Iceland are really fucked
14:22:52 <Arnia> "Confusion of name: index is not a measure of happiness but rather measure of environmental efficiency of supporting well-being in a given country"
14:22:53 * sbp checks
14:23:00 <sbp> nope! 64th
14:23:17 <sbp> and Brazil, with their wealth distribution problems, are 63rd!
14:23:18 <nsh> they have free earth-jacusis
14:23:23 <sbp> then again, they have samba and Ronaldinho
14:23:28 <nsh> or however you spell that word
14:23:34 <sbp> I don't
14:23:36 <xover> And titties!
14:23:39 * nsh wonders if this is really the first time he's had to type jacuzi
14:23:52 <clsn> Interesting that the PA is much happier than Israel.
14:23:53 <nsh> jacuzzi, apparantly
14:24:15 <nsh> which would be pronounced completely differently
14:24:23 <Arnia> sbp: remember, it isn't happiness it measures but the relative cost of happiness
14:24:30 * nsh calls them ja-kut-zis from now on
14:24:41 <sbp> aha
14:25:06 <TedThibodeauJr> ah hah! sbp! I have a phenny-request for you! :-)
14:25:10 <clsn> ah got it.
14:25:34 <Arnia> So a country which is unhappy can still score really well
14:25:35 <sbp> TedThibodeauJr: before you suggest something...
14:25:40 <TedThibodeauJr> because she is on so many channels, when she relays a message, it's hard to tell where it came from, and thus hard to wrap it back into the conversation
14:25:54 <sbp> is it Zipf-friendly? is it easy to implement? is it globally useful?
14:26:02 <sbp> if the answer to any of these questions is no...
14:26:05 <Arnia> (if its environmental cost per capita for a given lifestyle is low)
14:26:13 <TedThibodeauJr> the last, yes. I know not about easy nor Zipf.
14:26:29 <TedThibodeauJr> I'm hoping you can add a #channel note to the relayed message
14:26:34 <sbp> ah, well this one I actually cut out on privacy basis
14:26:43 <sbp> I mean, she doesn't take notice of +s and +i
14:27:01 <Arnia> Maybe a better way would be to just only relay messages within a certain channel
14:27:11 <Arnia> So if I leave a message here, it only will be relayed to here
14:27:22 <TedThibodeauJr> troublesome, this one.
14:27:45 <Arnia> (although it will be relayed if I speak elsewhere; to the original channel if I'm in it or PM if not)
14:27:56 <sbp> ah, here we go
14:27:59 <sbp> .wik Satisfaction with Life Index
14:27:59 <Monty> "The Happy five days' scrollback because unicode
14:28:00 <phenny> "The World Happiness Map was extracted from data from the Happy Planet Index[1]|." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisfaction_with_Life_Index
14:28:08 <TedThibodeauJr> PM if not!
14:28:10 <TedThibodeauJr> brilliant
14:28:12 <nsh> Zipf-friendly?
14:28:15 <nsh> what you talk bout?
14:28:16 <sbp> The Winnah: Denmark
14:28:24 <sbp> Finland is 6th
14:28:31 <sbp> nsh: so, huffmanised
14:28:45 <sbp> only implementing the most useful stuff
14:29:01 <sbp> simple things simple, hard things possible, as the perl motto goes
14:29:37 * nsh doesn't grok the references
14:30:19 <TedThibodeauJr> PM delivery would be fine, whether in channel or not ... but PM delivery seems to *require* channel notation
14:30:25 <sbp> Larry Wall coined it
14:31:02 <sbp> so e.g. the most frequently used commands should have the shortest names
14:31:29 <nsh> ah
14:31:55 <TedThibodeauJr> sbp - the trouble with that frequency rubric is that new commands can rapidly become more frequenly used than old -- and suddenly, fail.
14:32:33 <sbp> Africa's pretty unhappy
14:32:45 * nsh reads TedThibodeauJr in Dramatic Narrator Voice
14:32:48 <sbp> yeah, but I don't see how you can guard against that
14:32:59 <TedThibodeauJr> :-)
14:33:21 <nsh> with Great Caution, child. The Hollow Voices will Whisper out your SOUL
14:33:55 <nsh> http://www.bordalierinstitute.com/target1.html fun-looking page
14:33:56 <Monty> Kristin@tivoli2-nat.vbnet.net
14:34:17 <nsh> Monty: don't vomit email addresses mang
14:34:20 <Monty> hows the mirrors now why I come through judging awesome
14:34:32 <Arnia> nsh: what voice do you read me in?
14:34:57 <nsh> Arnia: mmmm, tends to vary but often comedy-Vader
14:35:08 <Arnia> comedy-Vader?
14:35:11 <nsh> ot
14:35:25 <nsh> what's a good example
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14:36:16 * Arnia throws danieljohnlewis to nsh's voices-of-the-damned programme
14:36:51 <nsh> http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=2080
14:37:01 <sbp> [[[
14:37:01 <sbp> Buk blong mi: The book that belongs to me, my book
14:37:06 <sbp> Hemi woman blong saiens. She is a woman of science, She is a scientist.
14:37:06 <sbp> Man blong dring: Man of drinking i.e. a drinker
14:37:11 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bislama_language
14:37:15 <nsh> (not sure that's the right clip)
14:37:30 <nsh> ah, it is
14:37:44 <sbp> .email Kristin@tivoli2-nat.vbnet.net Hello // Who are you?
14:37:53 <sbp> aw, I removed that
14:38:04 <nsh> but there's one with just the "shall we say one million american dollars" voiceovers
14:38:36 <Arnia> nsh: I can't watch that :p
14:38:51 <sbp> yumitrifala : (you me three fella) - us three, inclusive (you two and me)
14:39:09 <nsh> sbp, awesome
14:39:53 <sbp> .title http://www.andrewgray.com/pacific/bislama.htm
14:39:56 <nsh> this page ( http://www.bordalierinstitute.com/target1.html ) is chockfulla cool images
14:39:57 <phenny> sbp: Pidginise Your English - Learn Bislama, Vanuatu's national language
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14:40:33 <sbp> [[[
14:40:33 <sbp> Consider this outlandish-looking headline from a Vanuatu newspaper:
14:40:33 <sbp> Proses fud komsamson i kosem plande sik long pipol tede
14:40:34 <sbp> When written with English spelling, its meaning is obvious:
14:40:36 <sbp> Process food consumption ee cause'm plenty sick 'long people today
14:40:40 <sbp> ]]]
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14:41:53 <sbp> [[[
14:41:54 <sbp> Gud moning Good morning
14:41:54 <sbp> Gud aftenun Good afternoon
14:41:54 <sbp> Gud naet Good evening / Good night
14:41:54 <sbp> Baibai / Tata Goodbye
14:41:54 <sbp> Tankyu Thank you
14:41:54 <Monty> brb
14:41:56 <sbp> Yes Yes
14:41:58 <sbp> No No
14:42:00 <sbp> ]]]
14:42:01 <sbp> it's like some mixture of Allo Allo and l33t
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14:42:56 * Arnia imagines Crabtree speaking l33t
14:43:22 <Arnia> l33t is more spikey though I think
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14:44:19 <sbp> woah, some of these compounds are awesome
14:44:21 <sbp> bata nus
14:44:27 <sbp> = butter nose = snot
14:44:35 <sbp> dakdak sus
14:44:39 <sbp> = duck shoes = flippers or fins
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14:45:00 <sbp> sel blong fingga
14:45:08 <sbp> = shell of finger = fingernail
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14:45:17 <sbp> smol rat
14:45:21 <nsh> thelsdj: , what was that page with links to the hugo nominees readable online stuffs?
14:45:22 <sbp> (you can guess that one)
14:45:33 <sbp> hahaha
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14:45:39 <sbp> and the best one so far:
14:45:40 <sbp> titi blong wil
14:45:49 <sbp> = titty of wheel = air valve
14:45:54 <nsh> *choxelles*
14:48:26 <nsh> .wik campiness
14:48:27 <phenny> "Camp is an aesthetic in which something has appeal because of its bad taste or ironic value." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campiness
14:49:39 <sbp> ooh:
14:49:40 <sbp> [[[
14:49:40 <sbp> Using the transitive form of a verb implies that there is an object involved, even if you don't explicitly say so:
14:49:40 <sbp> mi muv
14:49:41 <sbp> I move
14:49:43 <sbp> mi muvum
14:49:45 <sbp> I move it
14:49:47 <sbp> ]]]
14:50:23 <nsh> mmm, sweet
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14:51:30 <kpreid> sbp: /logs/latest still broke
14:51:31 <kpreid> n
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14:52:46 <sbp> yeah, clock still broken
14:53:14 * Arnia hands sbp a grandfather clock
14:53:21 <sbp> heh
14:53:35 * kpreid grandfathers it
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15:01:02 <thelsdj> nsh: http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/006433.html
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15:01:19 <nsh> bingbingbing, awesome thanks
15:01:34 <nsh> why the fuck does chatzilla give all status messages in TOTALLY BIG LETTARZ
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15:01:50 <nsh> *AND BLODFAES, TOO*
15:01:58 <nsh> woah, that's a little scary
15:03:49 <nsh> thelsdj: that did you say was your pick of the novels?
15:04:53 <nsh> (i think i read dark integers, but was half asleep for the last third of it, remember being vaguely disappointed at the cold-war analogy sucking up all of egan's brainspace)
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15:08:49 <thelsdj> nsh: i've only read rollback and halting state so far, both are good but i like halting state more, its got a bigger lasting impact on the genre i think
15:11:08 <nsh> nods and sods
15:14:14 <sbp> .gc McShagathon
15:14:14 <phenny> McShagathon: 0
15:17:58 <nsh> which novellae did you like?
15:18:02 <nsh> (thelsdj)
15:19:04 <thelsdj> all seated on the ground was best
15:20:06 <nsh> cool
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15:20:19 <nsh> wonder if it's still good when read from ipod nano notes
15:20:29 * nsh hopes
15:21:37 <nslater> Arnia: what would you call it when someone holds onto their local value system with such vigour that they percieve it to be the "correct" one, resulting in blanket statements such as "that is wrong" or "such and such is evil" without any acknowledgement that it's all relative
15:21:53 <nsh> .gd dogma
15:21:53 <phenny> dogma: a religious doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof
15:22:17 <nsh> .gd dogmatic
15:22:17 <phenny> dogmatic: characterized by assertion of unproved or unprovable principles
15:22:20 <nslater> hmm, interesting, seems related, but not _quite_ what I was thinking
15:22:24 * nslater could be wrong
15:22:44 <Arnia> absolutist
15:22:49 <nslater> more of an ethical statement which is presumed to be universal
15:22:51 <nsh> also a good word
15:23:06 <nsh> .gd absolutist
15:23:06 <phenny> absolutist: one who advocates absolutism
15:23:10 <nsh> .gd absolutism
15:23:10 <phenny> absolutism: Used to describe the government of Ancien Regime states, especially France, Russia, Spain and Prussia. ...
15:23:11 <Monty> hmm, interesting, seems related, but i am not _quite_ what would have to be complete
15:23:17 <nslater> Monty: gail
15:23:17 <Monty> bah :P
15:23:21 <nslater> Monty: fail
15:23:21 <nsh> quiet monty
15:23:23 <Monty> apple is rebellious and award-winning!
15:23:25 <Monty> requiem's memories desires automagic Jean Alesi!!!
15:23:26 <sbp> BAD MONTY
15:23:27 <Monty> fondles parents, apparently.
15:23:34 <nsh> ew
15:23:38 <sbp> Bad Monty Fondles Parents (Apparently)
15:23:38 <Monty> What does that suggest to you ?
15:23:41 <nslater> I have thought about the word absolutist but it doesn't seem to capture it, that may be a lack of understanding on my part
15:23:47 <sbp> that you're a weirdo
15:23:53 <nslater> ... where is a good place to read about the meaning of the word in this sense
15:24:03 <sbp> ebsoleutisme
15:24:38 * nsh goes the home for eats and read from tiny screen
15:24:46 <sbp> ônoez
15:24:46 <nsh> MAKE GOOD YOUR BYES
15:24:53 <sbp> BYE.GOOD = True
15:25:07 <nslater> .wik moral absolutism
15:25:08 <phenny> "Moral absolutism is the belief that there are absolute standards against which moral questions can be judged, and that certain actions are right or wrong, devoid of the context of the act. 'Absolutism' is often philosophically contrasted with moral relativism, which is [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_absolutism
15:25:11 <nslater> seems as good a place as any
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15:27:17 <nslater> Arnia: I'd like to thank for you challenging my opinions on free software as much as you have, with regard to moral absolutism you've really opened my eyes to a bunch of stuff within the community that I never notice before, stuff which I am starting to find very irritating
15:28:03 <xover> “Come to the daaark side Noah!”
15:28:35 <Arnia> nslater: yw
15:28:44 * Arnia dons his Vader robe
15:28:52 <nslater> I'm not quite ready to install Vista ;) but when I went to see Stallman speak this month I was wincing every time he mentioned the word "evil" - which he mentioned a lot
15:28:56 <sbp> he's always happy to help people find more things irritating
15:29:11 <xover> “Noah, I am your father! Together we can rule the galaxy!”
15:29:24 <Arnia> sbp: worryingly true I think...
15:29:45 <xover> You shagged his dad once?
15:30:08 <sbp> xover: Lamech?
15:30:10 <Arnia> nslater: oh I wouldn't suggest installing Vista because I think it a bad operating system. But
15:30:17 * nslater grins
15:30:32 <xover> .w lamech
15:30:32 <Arnia> ... I just make my decisions about that on quality rather than moral quantities
15:30:32 <phenny> I couldn't find 'lamech' in WordNet.
15:30:42 <xover> .gd lamech
15:30:43 <phenny> lamech: Father of Noah, son of Methuselah, lived 777 years.
15:30:49 <Arnia> s/quantities/qualities
15:31:00 <xover> To each their own, I suppose.
15:31:24 <nslater> if these people would only prefix the rants with "from the perspective of my value system, I find that" or even an "in my opionion, " would do it, instead they come accross as shortsighted and annoying
15:31:29 * nslater grumbles
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15:54:09 <Arnia> nslater: well, at least you now understand better why I get so wound up ;)
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15:55:28 <jsled> nslater: My SO always gets on my case about that. But isn't nearly everything (opinion-based) we say implicitly prefixed by that?
15:56:30 <nslater> Arnia: yes, I feel a lot of your view points rubbing off on me, which I'm sure must be healthy, if not a little confusing for me :p
15:56:50 <Arnia> jsled: if the speaker is aware, then yes. However many speakers are not aware of the relativity of their opinions
15:56:57 <nslater> disorienting would be a better word :)
15:57:07 <Arnia> nslater: I have that effect on people. sbp has commented about it before
15:57:18 <nslater> and when that lack of awareness is apparent it's irritating...
15:58:02 <Arnia> jsled: It's like I have mentioned before that I generally assume people know that I'm speaking from a relativist position and so don't qualify everything (it would be really cumbersome)
15:58:22 <nslater> Arnia: you're very articulate and you don't let people get away with pretending to understand something, which forces them to question things :p
15:58:22 <Arnia> nslater: It can also be funny. A lot of the time the irony factor is huge.
15:58:43 * Arnia blushes
15:59:48 <nslater> jsled: see this email and the thread is belongs to for an example of what irritates me: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/fsuk-manchester/2008-05/msg00073.html
16:01:02 <Arnia> pwaring's reply is good
16:02:03 <nslater> yes, I would have said as much but I cba wasting my time on crossland who will only respond with a troll anyway :(
16:02:50 <sbp> pwwaaaAAAarring!
16:03:09 <nslater> P-P-P-PWARING
16:03:38 <Arnia> I like this argument: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/fsuk-manchester/2008-05/msg00045.html
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16:04:32 <nslater> the whole idea that one should refuse help to a friend because they are installing or using windows leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth
16:05:00 <nslater> it's another case of forcefully projecting one's value system on others
16:05:08 <Arnia> Well, it is valuing of one's own sense of rectitude over one's community
16:05:59 <nslater> .ety rectitude
16:05:59 <phenny> "1432, 'quality of being straight,' from M.Fr. rectitude (14c.), from L.L. rectitudinem (nom. rectitudo) 'straightness, uprightness,' from L. rectus 'straight' (see right)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=rectitude
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16:06:25 <nslater> sure, which is his choice (naturally) but I think it's misguided
16:07:03 <Arnia> I think it is counterproductive for the community, which is a bit different in focus.
16:07:12 <nslater> and as I pointed out to him on IRC, I actually think it does more harm than good for the free software community in the sense that it leaves an impression of elitism, arrogance and unhelpfulness
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16:07:50 <Monty> bah, it's jeffarch again
16:07:58 <Arnia> yes, well I agree
16:08:02 <xover> Well I would certainly object to helping anyone install Windows, on a very strong moral ground.
16:08:02 <Arnia> What was his response?
16:08:03 <sbp> but w... ugh
16:08:04 <sbp> it's too hot to troll
16:08:35 <sbp> I had this elaborate troll all worked out about free software being crap so driving people away from it is a service to mankind and shit
16:08:39 <sbp> but it's just too hot. so whatever
16:08:44 <nslater> Arnia: I could bring in him here, but I think you would make him cry :)
16:09:22 <xover> Putting me in a position to have to deal with Windows is very very morally offensive.
16:09:26 <nslater> Arnia: something along the lines of it not "resting with his conscience" so he couldn't do it, even though no matter what course of action he takes, a copy of windows still gets installed, the only difference is modulo the bad impression of free software he will leave
16:09:37 <Arnia> xover: heh
16:09:41 * Arnia self-blammos
16:09:50 <Arnia> (Haven't done that for a while)
16:10:17 <Arnia> nslater: oh dear.
16:10:26 <Arnia> nslater: making people cry is my forté
16:10:32 * nslater choxelles
16:11:09 <Arnia> I feel some measure of pity towards a person who makes a statement like 'And when it all comes to it, family is all you have...'
16:11:19 <Arnia> But pity is bad
16:11:23 * Arnia shoots himself
16:13:25 <xover> Shoot the family man instead. In the kneecap preferably.
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16:29:35 <nslater> plum, insult everyone
16:29:41 <plum> everyone, don't play me like a fool, thats a big fucker of a genus. and that, my friend, is why no one likes you.
16:30:35 <xover> Very true plum, very true.
16:30:38 <plum> funny caus its true, this place has been a true lollercoaster today.
16:31:07 <xover> Hasn't it though? That's very perceptive of you plum.
16:31:10 <plum> semplesh hasn't been around for a plum, by none the lest.
16:31:25 * nslater thinks plum has been drinking
16:31:30 <plum> the damnable thing i can't even drink tea anymore in the evenings. she's so just brought mee a drink.
16:32:20 <nslater> plum, thats not excuse to turn to the liquor
16:32:25 <plum> heh, who is expected turn it's not going to be me and perfdave is it? can you turn that off?
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16:36:46 <Arnia> What do we do with the drunkard plum?
16:36:49 <plum> ha, what does noscript have to do with the price of monty? what do you do it.
16:36:52 <Monty> emotional bedtime stories delights errant bodies >:)
16:37:09 <Arnia> That smiley makes that message really creepy
16:37:35 <nslater> plum, remind monty in 1 hour to remind you something
16:37:36 <Monty> nu
16:37:39 <plum> x-1 should be equal to -x+1 or just 1-x but it isn't. im about to use monty to acronyms?
16:37:45 <Monty> np, as it's just too hot. so far, both destinations carrying Bluetooth-enabled phones will use them under my forté
16:37:52 <nslater> awe, thats a shame, she did it the other night
16:43:01 <Arnia> http://www.eyetap.org/~dan/sdarticle-3.pdf is interesting
16:45:16 <Arnia> Woo... nose-cutting at its highest: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/fsuk-manchester/2008-05/msg00018.html
16:45:32 <nslater> nose cutting?
16:45:46 <Arnia> Cutting your nose to spite your face
16:46:19 <nslater> can you explain a bit more?
16:46:52 <nslater> (I've never really understood the metaphore)
16:47:01 <ja> ive never seen an iceweasel in the wild either
16:47:12 <ja> i believe they only inhabit ZealotVille. population 3
16:47:21 <ja> (initials)
16:47:27 <nslater> ja: hmmmm
16:47:36 <nslater> ja: do you understand the issues behind the name change?
16:47:40 <ja> sure
16:48:14 <ja> i just think that thread's time would be better spent writing code. or interesti
