00:06:46 <Splroink> eel: i2.fact()
00:06:46 <eel> # problem: <NoSuchMethodException: <a Double>.fact/0>
00:07:07 <Splroink> eel: x := 5
00:07:08 <eel> # problem: Failed: Undefined variable: x
00:07:13 <Splroink> eel: def x := 5
00:07:13 <eel> # value: 5
00:07:22 <Splroink> eel: x.fact()
00:07:23 <eel> # problem: <NoSuchMethodException: <an Integer>.fact/0>
00:07:32 <jsled> .g E programming language
00:07:36 <phenny> jsled: http://www.erights.org/
00:07:55 <jsled> .swhack Splroink
00:08:21 <jsled> Monty: greet Splroink!
00:08:21 <Monty> meh
00:08:23 <phenny> jsled: Sorry, no results found.
00:08:32 <Splroink> I'm learning E, looking at old posts on this group from when eel was new
00:08:54 <Splroink> want to know if eel is the same here as there and before :)
00:08:55 <jsled> Hi, Splroink, and welcome to #swhack. Note that this is a publically-logged channel, so you might mind what you might say if you might mind that others might mind what you might say.
00:09:00 <jsled> More info at http://swhack.com/
00:09:32 <jsled> "posts on this group"!‽!>!??! What are we, some common Usenet forum!
00:09:44 <Splroink> thanks for the greeting, i might hang out here, not sure what you're all about yet :)
00:10:08 <kpreid> jsled: "forum". heh. :)
00:10:11 <jsled> If you find out, please let me know.
00:11:35 <Arnia> Splroink: we're about anything we're not about
00:11:48 <kpreid> but not only that
00:11:54 <Splroink> So you like koans
00:12:23 <kpreid> .gc "koanic section"
00:12:24 <phenny> "koanic section": 5
00:13:12 <Splroink> Oh, hi kpreid, didn't see you here
00:15:41 <Splroink> About me: I'm glad I was taught Scheme and C++ in college, but I've mostly been stuck with C and C++ for the last 10 years and I'm trying to be better
00:20:50 <Splroink> I recently launched into a Linux-replacement strategy, and found about 20 potential things, but it looks like Viewpoints Research Institute are doing almost exactly what I had in mind, so now I'm learning E.
00:22:18 <Arnia> Splroink: life is a steaming heap of koans, and then you die
00:22:32 <kpreid> ...
00:22:39 <kpreid> .gc "steaming heap of koans"
00:22:41 <phenny> "steaming heap of koans": 0
00:22:56 <kpreid> Uh, I congratulate you on your originality
00:23:48 <Arnia> Yeah, it isn't often I say something bizarre
00:24:19 <kpreid> That's a bizarre thing to say
00:26:40 <Arnia> mm... more irony than the Forth bridge
00:28:04 <Splroink> When I had job security I could talk in koans, now I can't
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00:31:06 <Arnia> Splroink: tried talking in corns? Like koans but make you groan
00:31:26 <clsn> If you have ice cream, I will give it to you.
00:31:33 <clsn> If you have no ice cream, I will take it away.
00:31:39 <clsn> (It is an ice cream koan)
00:31:47 <Splroink> koans make me groan, if they're unoriginal
00:31:50 <kpreid> clsn: Actually, no, you're in a time loop
00:32:50 <Splroink> clsn's i haven't heard before but i think it's a simple paradox
00:33:19 <clsn> Yeah, but it's funnier than a simple paradox if you say it out loud and appreciate the punnage.
00:33:59 <clsn> .ety flabbergast
00:34:00 <phenny> "1772, mentioned (with bored) in a magazine article as a new vogue word, perhaps from some dialect (in 1823 it was noted as a Sussex word), likely an arbitrary formation from flabby or flapper and aghast." - http://etymonline.com/?term=flabbergast
00:34:15 <Splroink> actually, your paradox is close to the current relationship between the US gov't and its citizens
00:36:16 <Arnia> Quote from a friend of a friend: "The purpose of studying philosophy is to disprove your religion, your scientific methodology, the laws of your entire civilization, your ethics, and the existence of that chair you're sitting on (although not convincingly enough as to make you feel you have to stand up)"
00:36:59 <clsn> Any study that is important enough to make you actually have to stand up should not be undertaken lightly.
00:37:17 <Arnia> clsn: unless it is helium
00:37:35 <Splroink> helium can be undertaken lightly
00:38:34 <Arnia> unless it is the helium in the sun (we love it, apparently)
00:39:39 <clsn> Love is like helium. You get too much, your voice gets high. Not enough, your balloon won't fly.
00:39:41 <Splroink> the problem with philosophy is that there are so many of them, and you have to choose one or two, and people are likely to choose one of the ones that either prove or allow for God, which is fine but it's a mess
00:40:04 <jsled> your mom has to choose one or two.
00:41:39 <clsn> .g love is like oxygen
00:41:40 <phenny> clsn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRVwcPTnug8
00:42:25 <deltab> highly reactive? produced by plants?
00:42:43 <clsn> Naw, that was a song, popular some years ago.
00:42:53 <clsn> If you know it, it makes the line I said about helium a lot funnier.
00:43:28 * clsn seems to be having some issues with conditional humor this evening. "See, this WOULD be funny if you..."
00:45:00 <Splroink> i clicked on the link but konqueror doesn't seem to like youtube, oh well
00:45:25 <clsn> It's probably someone's video for it, maybe better off finding lyrics or something.
00:46:30 <Splroink> so too little love, my baloon doesn't fly, i get that, dunno about the high voice thing
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00:47:42 <clsn> You ever inhale helium?
00:48:52 <Splroink> i understand the link between helium and a high voice, but not love and a high voice
00:49:18 <clsn> Yeah, I think that's part of the "funny" bit that really doesn't seem to be working for me tonight.
00:50:27 <Splroink> heh
00:50:53 <Splroink> maybe i should try youtube again
00:52:56 <deltab> Splroink: you could just download the video
00:53:17 <clsn> http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/
00:54:01 <deltab> jwz's youtubedown in perl, my modified version (national subdomains, id in filename), or a python equivalent
00:55:30 <clsn> Or keepvid.com
00:55:46 <Splroink> oh, i know firefox will do it, just need to open it and paste the url
00:55:55 <Splroink> too lazy
00:56:14 <clsn> deltab: I could use your perl script; my FF plays flash but for some reason doesn't do sound.
00:58:22 <deltab> okay, sending it
00:58:33 <clsn> I clicked accept. I bet it didn't work though.
00:58:39 <deltab> nope
00:59:58 <Splroink> E promises to end all this crap :)
01:00:40 <Splroink> or maybe i'm overpromising from a position of ignorance
01:00:56 <deltab> E? the language with vats?
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01:32:02 <Splroink> E wants to replace all the web-related languages
01:32:26 <kpreid> Splroink: please don't misrepresent E
01:32:51 <Splroink> well, i know, but it's right there in the Walnut
01:34:10 <kpreid> please point that out so I can fix it
01:36:06 <Splroink> "We have entered the age of globally distributed computing with a vengeance. Anyone who has cobbled together a major system with a hodgepodge of Web servers, Java, JSP, SQL, CGI, CORBA, RMI, XML, and Perl knows that this cannot be the toolset we will use in 20 years. The sooner we move up to the tools of 20 years hence, the better off we will be. Into this situation we introduce E"
01:37:11 <kpreid> your conclusion does not follow.
01:37:47 <Splroink> that E aims to replace the things listed in this paragraph?
01:38:12 <kpreid> yes
01:38:22 <kpreid> or rather, it is an oversimplification
01:38:40 <Splroink> it's an easy conclusion to get to
01:39:28 <kpreid> hm. you may be right and I'm being grumpy
01:39:53 <kpreid> but I think that paragraph is better than your remark, in that yours sounds kookier.
01:39:57 <kpreid> </grump>
01:40:34 <Splroink> I think that E currently isn't the replacement for these things, but I personally see the potential
01:41:18 <kpreid> excellent. would you like to help?
01:42:07 <kpreid> libraries and fast implementation would be good targets.
01:42:15 <kpreid> applications too.
01:42:45 <kpreid> documentation! API design review!
01:43:24 <Splroink> I want to help. Give me a project. I can devote about an hour a day :)
01:44:34 <Splroink> I mentioned before, docs is something I'd be good at, I was going to do a Debian how-to, I'd also like to investigate how to make E an official Debian project
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01:45:36 <Splroink> Also, the Java lib needs some security looking-at which I could do
01:45:38 <kpreid> Splroink: well, to get into any packaging system e needs a decent installer (I expect). I've got a stalled project for that. how about reminding me to work on it :)
01:46:08 <Splroink> maybe we can switch to erights
01:46:09 <kpreid> then you can ask nslater here about Debian :)
01:46:12 <kpreid> ok
01:46:34 <Splroink> but nslater, I want E to be in Debian :)
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02:33:11 <clsn> Oog. Disturbing: http://www.local6.com/news/16169506/detail.html?rss=orlpn&psp=news
02:38:07 <aspect> E? Another language to end them all, with a horribly un-google-friendly name?
02:38:33 <aspect> that passive agressive blog linked me to something which is truly horrific: http://thatspunny.blogspot.com/
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02:52:56 <Monty> but, that's even bother to keep blindly tossing this month I mentioned (with bored) in Mr. Ward's signature, the downloads folder into any
02:52:59 <plum> dahut do you reckon monty? i can confirm that monty.
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02:53:01 <Monty> gazes at GNU anorexic facts, apparently.
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04:11:57 <Monty> hi lisppaste2
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05:34:28 <cre8radix> ahoi
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07:03:54 <thelsdj> http://wizeheartteaching.blogspot.com/2008/05/is-silence-virtue.html
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07:12:44 <thelsdj> stuck it on reddit
07:12:51 <thelsdj> .title http://reddit.com/info/6igey/comments/
07:12:51 <phenny> thelsdj: reddit.com: Is Silence a Virtue? A teacher wonders whether to speak the truth or fear accusations of slander.
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07:22:43 <Monty> Thank goodness, kwijibo is back!
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07:34:56 <sbp> yo
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07:36:43 <sbp> .title http://hamptonroads.com/node/461129
07:36:44 <phenny> sbp: The queen isn’t smiling, but the owners of her portrait are | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com
07:36:46 <sbp> - wow, cool
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07:37:37 * Arnia thinks about the gross misrepresentation of things today by people who value snark over constructive commentary
07:37:58 <Arnia> This is a rhetorical game of pin the tail on the donkey
07:41:23 <sbp> ehwhat ehwhat dear chap?
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07:54:36 <sbp> awesome: “The medium-term solution is to show a senior dean a list of the places that she likes to think of your institution as being equals and rivals to, and that have already subscribed to the resource you want.”
07:55:09 <sbp> (Gabriel Egan on SHAKSPER)
07:55:18 <sbp> (SHK 19.0260)
07:56:30 <sbp> AAAAAAAAH MOTHS
07:56:33 <sbp> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH
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08:38:48 <nslater> gooood mornin' folks
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08:59:42 <nslater> phenny: tell jsled <sward> If I ever get the book it’s quoted in, I’ll fix the sig. Wikipedia says one thing, several other resources say another. I’m not placing any authority on Wikipedia.
08:59:42 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when jsled is around.
09:00:45 <nslater> phenny: tell jsled http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101010458/ (are these both right?)
09:00:45 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when jsled is around.
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09:14:42 <Monty> howdy, kwijibo
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09:58:02 <nsh> Even better: let's not, but say we did
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10:12:23 <Morbus> neato: http://phun.cs.umu.se/wiki/Phun
10:12:27 <Morbus> (watch video)
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11:15:41 <sbp> yo
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11:23:27 <Monty> But what does danieljohnlewis have to do with the price of fish?
11:39:23 <laplink> Hoy!
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11:48:26 <laplink> .title http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/05/moving-to-unicode-51.html
11:48:27 <phenny> laplink: Official Google Blog: Moving to Unicode 5.1
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11:55:24 <nslater> .title http://diveintomark.org/archives/2008/05/07/when-the-fall-is-all-thats-left
11:55:25 <phenny> nslater: When the fall is all that’s left [dive into mark]
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12:07:10 <sbp> awesome
12:07:22 <sbp> in just a really short time, ...hmm I need a word here
12:07:33 * nsh seconds that awesome
12:07:43 <sbp> a word for the kind of junk that people like Mark Pilgrim emit
12:07:52 <nsh> (if it was regarding Phun, or likely otherwise too)
12:08:14 <sbp> on computery kind of dreck. let's call it infodreck for now
12:08:27 <laplink> .gc infodreck
12:08:27 <phenny> infodreck: 16
12:08:36 <nsh> .gc techbunkum
12:08:37 <phenny> techbunkum: 0
12:08:51 <sbp> in just a really short time, (hello nsh!) I've managed to go from grudgingly reading all infodreck that passes my way to finding it completely revolting and having very little compunction to follow it
12:09:00 <sbp> the process isn't entirely complete, and I doubt it ever will be
12:09:08 <sbp> for example, I followed the Unicode 5.1 link
12:09:35 <sbp> but I just have no desire to follow the diveintomark link, whereas usually I would have thought "ugh, I don't want to check that out" and then would have done so for fear that I'm missing something
12:09:44 <sbp> now I don't feel that I'm missing as much from infodreck
12:10:10 <sbp> techbunkum... yeah, that's better
12:10:28 * nsh started developing similar feelings a while back
12:10:53 <sbp> we should start a Movement Against Techbunkum
12:11:04 <sbp> SWHACKMAT
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12:11:14 <sbp> SWHAUNDROMAT
12:11:26 <sbp> Project Swhaundromat
12:11:34 * nsh emits high-energy agreediation
12:12:03 <sbp> I don't think it's the same as knitting and gardening, either
12:12:11 <sbp> I mean, I don't like knitting and I don't do gardening
12:12:20 <sbp> but I can conceive of how knitting may be interesting
12:12:22 <nsh> right
12:12:26 <sbp> and I think gardening is great
12:12:35 <nsh> it is pretty cool
12:12:37 <sbp> those are things that are like opportunities, things to be sucked in by
12:12:45 <sbp> techbunkum is a thing to be repelled by
12:12:52 <laplink> Isn't #swhack the techbunkum filter?
12:13:11 <sbp> I dunno, I think we've generally tended to be lured in by techbunkum too much
12:13:17 <nsh> well, sometimes filters get clogged and just recirculate
12:13:20 <sbp> even if just that we decry it more than we ought to just ignore it
12:13:23 <laplink> (in theory; that it's a generator in practice is a different matter)
12:13:35 <sbp> in theory, yeah
12:13:36 <nsh> techbunkum recirculation is a large part of The Problem
12:13:47 <laplink> regurgitation
12:14:11 <laplink> We should write an angry, but somewhat humorous, blog post about this.
12:14:22 <sbp> and then shove it up a blogger's arse?
12:14:28 <laplink> Share The Pain
12:14:35 <sbp> aka "posting" it
12:14:35 <nsh> why shove when you can draw upwards with piano wire?
12:14:40 <sbp> hehe, ow
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12:15:02 <laplink> Or tie it between two trees and wait for them to ride past and be decapitated.
12:15:17 <sbp> pfft, old trick
12:15:29 * nsh tries to think of some interesting variations
12:15:41 <laplink> It worked on Foyle's War. Well, Foyle sussed it of course. But still…
12:16:18 <nsh> [[[
12:16:20 <nsh> In early World War II Britain, as British soldiers and pilots valiantly resist the German forces on land and in the air, their kinsmen at home face head-on the effects of the awful war that has engulfed their nation. Food rationing, black-outs, German bombing raids, all these and more are daily reminders that no one is to be spared.
12:16:27 <nsh> ]]] http://www.foyleswar.com/
12:16:42 <nsh> for some reason, my head-i read that in the voice of the queen
12:16:51 <sbp> ehheh
12:16:54 <nsh> especially once the word "awful" was introduced
12:17:03 <sbp> ooeurful
12:17:25 <nsh> it'd be nice to have pronounciation overlays on real life conversation
12:17:34 <nsh> you could spice up a boring discussion
12:17:44 <sbp> ...
12:17:47 <nsh> by making each participant a different regionality
12:17:50 <nsh> or era
12:17:50 <sbp> this is the top result for Psapfo:
12:17:52 <sbp> .title http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4019795/1/Psapfo
12:17:53 <phenny> sbp: Psapfo, a Harry Potter fanfic - FanFiction.Net
12:18:13 * nsh wonders what caused sbp to search for Psapfo
12:18:22 <nsh> oh, poetess
12:18:25 <sbp> well I got two Sappho books this morning
12:18:33 <sbp> and one of them says that the spelling ought to be Psapfo
12:18:42 <sbp> I also got more from the library
12:18:50 <sbp> so I'm bathing in sweet Sapphic goodness
12:19:02 <nsh> should add some epsom salts
12:19:07 <nsh> i hear they're a good combo
12:19:09 <sbp> there is a radness, and it is Sappho
12:19:12 <sbp> mmm
12:19:17 <sbp> .c Epsom Salts + Sappho
12:19:18 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no result.
12:19:25 <sbp> stupid google
12:19:27 <laplink> .g "Sapphic Goodness"
12:19:29 <phenny> laplink: http://www.thisisby.us/index.php?u=9363
12:19:34 <sbp> .title
12:19:36 <phenny> sbp: thisisby.us
12:19:44 <sbp> WHOO gOOD TITLE TherE
12:19:52 * nsh the check electrophoresis gel
12:19:56 <nsh> back the soon mebes
12:20:09 <sbp> may all your electrophoresis gel be in the condition in which you expect and want it
12:21:32 <nslater> sbp: what makes you think it's junk?
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12:22:40 <nslater> sbp: also, is compunction in "very little compunction to follow it" used correctly, it's a nice word so I looked it up, but it was defined as "regret" (in simple terms) which doesn't seem to fit with your use
12:25:23 <sbp> nslater: not really, no. it's a metaphor that I've taken way too far apparently. the source is its sense of "The faculty of pricking the conscience, or producing conviction of sin.", in other words for one to feel no compunction is to feel no moral obligation, which I have weakened into simply having no desire
12:25:44 <sbp> it's like using "facet" to mean "aspect". way overabused
12:26:18 <nslater> yeah, I think I have seen it used like that before (and hence had a folk understanding of it's meaning), which is why I was puzzled when it's definition was at odds
12:26:32 <sbp> I suspect that the diveintomark link is junk because I'm very familiar with his work, and know it to be the epitome of techbunkum. but it's my opinion of techbunkum which is changing, not of Mark Pilgrim
12:26:54 <sbp> ah, really? I did think I'd derived it
12:26:57 <sbp> but iuno
12:27:12 <nslater> it's not really mark im interested, it's your distaste for "techbunkum" which I don't understand as a concept, and hence also dont understand why it's bad :)
12:27:18 <pwaring> afternoon
12:27:23 <nslater> hellos
12:27:24 <sbp> PWWwwAaaaaaaring
12:27:29 <sbp> vrooooooooome
12:27:31 <nslater> P-P-P-PWARING
12:27:35 <sbp> *clutch pop*
12:28:03 <nslater> you should get that fixed
12:28:38 * pwaring is not sure how his nick sounds like a car
12:28:46 <sbp> techbunkum is the mundania that surrounds technology, especially where it's related to web formats (HTML, CSS, Javascript), web architecture (HTTP, URIs, TAG stuff), software engineering (the latest method[ology] like Extreme Programming etc.), and other generic nuisances
12:28:59 <sbp> pwaring: me neither, but arguging with nsh isn't sensible
12:29:05 <sbp> because he always turns out to be *secretly* right
12:29:26 <nslater> plum: do you remember the chalky toasdtools?
12:29:29 <plum> chalky toadstool meth would be cool, and i remember much.
12:29:34 <nslater> ha
12:29:49 <sbp> nslater: you actually gave a good example the other day, when you scoffed at the dude talking about using div-image-replacement as the general method of showing images in webpages
12:30:04 <nslater> how is that an example?
12:30:33 <nslater> also, I keep wanting to read it as technobunkum
12:30:42 <sbp> well because I think it's a good reflection of the process which seems to be at hand: that to learn all the Sturgeonesque 10% good stuff about web design and so on, you have to wade through that 90% techbunkum
12:30:53 <sbp> hmm, technobunkum would be more like robots and stuff I think
12:30:55 <sbp> engineering
12:31:08 <nslater> it's more aesthetically pleasing to my ear though
12:31:13 <nslater> .wik Sturgeon
12:31:15 <phenny> "Sturgeon is the common name used for some 26 species of fish in the family Acipenseridae, including the genera Acipenser, Huso, Scaphirhynchus and Pseudoscaphirhynchus." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon
12:31:20 <nslater> heh
12:31:25 <sbp> and it seemed to me that you'd just become victim to a particularly egregious example of the t-bunkum
12:31:27 <nslater> FISHY TECHNOLOGY!?
12:31:31 <sbp> .wik Sturgeon's Law
12:31:32 <phenny> "Sturgeon's Law is the name given to two different adages derived from quotes by science fiction author Theodore Sturgeon." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_Law
12:31:39 <nslater> oh yeah, _that_ Sturgeon
12:31:45 * pwaring curses whoever moved his desk yesterday and messed up his carefully-arranged piles of paper
12:31:47 <sbp> his numbers were so wrong
12:32:30 <nslater> hmm...
12:32:37 <nsh> PWWAAAARRRRIIIING
12:32:42 <sbp> heheh
12:32:48 <nslater> I don't feel any wiser than I did before you explained it to me. :)
12:32:58 <laplink> Stupid.
12:33:03 * nslater nods
12:33:11 <sbp> I don't really expect anybody to be wiser after I said anything
12:33:13 <laplink> Off with his head.
12:33:15 <sbp> just a little more randy
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12:33:18 <nslater> woah
12:33:19 <nslater> tim
12:33:20 <nslater> tmi
12:33:22 <nslater> itm?
12:33:25 <sbp> hehe
12:33:26 <nslater> stupid acronyms
12:33:31 <nsh> that's good permutation there lou
12:33:34 * laplink humps sbp's leg…
12:33:54 <sbp> quiet Lou! or I'll bust you down to sargeant so fast...
12:33:57 <nsh> oh man
12:34:04 * laplink gets bored and waders off…
12:34:04 <nsh> just glanced at the ending to that fanfic
12:34:09 <nsh> it's spectaculiferous
12:34:15 <nsh> "Luna whispers these words into the warm summer breeze, wishing they were true. But the words taste sour in her mouth. She wonders if Ginny will miss her, for she has neglected to tell anyone that she is moving to Sweden to care for her father. She decides that Harry will keep Ginevra happy. Harry is a good man."
12:34:35 <sbp> Goode Manne Harrie
12:34:44 <nsh> it's like peter's erotica from family guy
12:34:50 <sbp> oh?
12:34:54 <sbp> YOUTUBE CLIP PLZ
12:35:01 <nsh> WILL TO FIND NOW
12:35:20 <sbp> YAYONS ARE HEADING IN YOUR DIRECTION AT SOME UNSPECIFIED PERCENTAGE OF LIGHTSPEED
12:35:20 <nslater> oh lawd, remember when you saw peter's junk on family guy, that was epic
12:35:26 <sbp> hehe
12:35:40 <laplink> .gc "peter's junk"
12:35:42 <phenny> "peter's junk": 45
12:36:28 <sbp> compurgatrix = word of much win
12:36:38 <sbp> (found whilst looking up compunction in the OED)
12:36:52 <sbp> it means a female witness to character who swore along with the person accused, in order to the acquittal of the latter
12:37:24 <sbp> .gcs compurgatrix compurgatrices
12:37:25 <phenny> compurgatrix (61), compurgatrices (30)
12:37:34 <sbp> oh man, no way. so much the win
12:38:08 <nsh> http://www.bebo.com/FlashBox.jsp?FlashBoxId=1642460433 2m54s
12:38:16 <laplink> .title
12:38:22 <phenny> laplink: Family Guy - Peterotica - Part 1 of 4
12:38:31 <laplink> .gc peterotica
12:38:32 <phenny> peterotica: 11,400
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12:38:44 <nsh> Yeah: a robot, awesome
12:38:48 <laplink> .gc keitherotica
12:38:48 <phenny> keitherotica: 0
12:39:24 <sbp> thxthx
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12:40:06 * nsh to go lecture now
12:40:17 <nslater> sbp2002: sup?
12:40:31 <nslater> sbp2002: SUP?
12:40:44 <nslater> sbp2002: WHAT'S UP!?
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12:41:01 <sbp> “Yeah that's right, vote for Taft you dirty girl.” - hahahahaha
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12:42:47 <sbp> “That's not sexy. You can't do somebody in the shoulder.”
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12:45:18 <procto> sbp: there are ways to reduce technobunkum. I'm currently writing my lost paper of the semester. i promise you an anti-technobunkum tool of sorts by tomorrow night
12:46:02 <sbp> ARGH WHERE IS PART TWO????!!!!!
12:46:07 <sbp> nsh! help!
12:46:13 <sbp> procto: oh, excellent
12:46:32 <sbp> your Lost Paper. sounds mysterious
12:47:08 <nslater> 14:28 < plum> my mental image of a house consists of the metatropic imagination, so what in the name of arse is laca?
12:47:12 <plum> can these things really be regarded as metatropes? just to confuse yer arse off.
12:47:36 * nslater laughs
12:48:29 <sbp> ehheh
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12:49:20 <sbp> nslater: dude, I got metatroporama off an old manuscript the other day
12:49:56 <sbp> nslater: it's this page from Chaucer, and I was thinking all, it'll be interesting to see the caligraphy or whatever, beautiful black swishes
12:50:16 <sbp> nslater: http://www.uky.edu/~kiernan/ENG421/facs/El.26c.9a.jpg
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12:50:40 <procto> sbp: sorry. last paper
12:50:42 <procto> :)
12:50:53 <procto> sbp: would be hard to write a lost paper
12:50:59 <procto> i haven't slept all night
12:51:10 <procto> the sleep madnesss ssss ss has set in a few hours oge
12:51:12 <procto> ago
12:51:14 <sbp> well what you'd do is write *about* your lost paper
12:51:28 <procto> this is in my Syntax class
12:52:01 <sbp> about what might have been in it, the circumstances of its loss, some fragments preserved in external works, what it means to have lost a manucript, the chance of future discovery, rumours that copies are held in some secret government archive, that sort of thing
12:52:05 <sbp> myth it up, mang
12:53:35 <nslater> sbp: woah, crazy font
12:53:44 <sbp> heh. font?
12:53:55 <nslater> typeface? whatever, what do you call it?
12:54:03 <sbp> script
12:54:08 <nslater> okay, sure...
12:54:12 <sbp> :-)
12:54:30 <sbp> I think it's the colour that got me
12:54:36 <sbp> I used to use a purple pen for some things
12:54:45 <nslater> so, i found out the other day that fonts are not copyright protected in various countries, how crazy is that
12:54:52 <sbp> and I so didn't expect it from a mediaeval manuscript
12:54:59 <sbp> which countries?
12:55:11 <nslater> purple was an _expensive_ colour, there is a reason royalty used it so frequently
12:55:20 <sbp> yeah. the most expensiv
12:55:22 <nslater> perhaps it was blue and simply faded
12:55:23 <sbp> ...e
12:55:40 <sbp> I wondered that
12:55:52 <sbp> but, if you notice, there's blue on the page
12:56:00 <nslater> interesting...
12:56:13 <nslater> aha, the states
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12:56:53 <nslater> http://nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/cf_13.htm
12:57:03 <nslater> "The following are examples of works not subject to copyright and applications for registration of such works cannot be entertained: . . . typeface as typeface'' 37 CFR 202.1(e)."
12:57:16 <nslater> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/08/28/why_computer_fonts_are_so/
12:57:27 <nslater> thought, i cant remember my original source, this is just using google
12:59:37 <procto> sbp: well, I have many Lost Documents
12:59:44 <procto> or rather, Lost Papers
13:00:05 <procto> I can write one on them, sort of an essay-version of tenacious d's the best song in the world?
13:00:33 <procto> song lyrics for reference: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/tenaciousd/tribute.html
13:01:30 <nslater> sbp: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright section "Typefaces"
13:01:40 <nslater> "In the United States, the Copyright Office maintains that typeface designs are not covered by copyright, and it will not accept applications for their registration. "
13:02:23 <procto> but it's patentable
13:02:43 <nslater> how can you patent a type face? it's not an invention, or novel
13:03:08 <nslater> can you provide examples of the us patent office granting a patent on a typeface?
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13:04:51 <procto> nslater: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=D289773
13:04:52 <pwaring> there must be some way of protecting a typeface
13:05:00 <procto> from the very same wikipedia article
13:05:01 <pwaring> as aren't many fonts non-redistributable
13:05:33 <ja> the emigre technique was funny
13:05:37 <nslater> aha, design patent
13:05:39 <ja> log onto Hotline servers and cuss out the people serving them
13:05:45 <nslater> that kinda makes sense
13:05:45 <ja> real productive use of time..
13:05:57 <procto> "However, if a design is novel and "non-obvious," it may be covered by design patent. See, for example, U.S. Des. Patent No. 289,773 , May 12, 1987),"
13:06:24 <procto> ja: hotline still exists?
13:06:27 <ja> http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~luc/legal.html
13:06:33 <ja> procto: no, this was 1996 or so
13:06:39 <procto> oh
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13:14:14 <procto> cool jpg: http://tinyurl.com/4ttclh (sfw)
13:14:34 <procto> same thing from a different angle: http://tinyurl.com/5yosg6
13:15:18 <nslater> check it out, http://www.samsungodd.com/Eng/
13:15:30 <nslater> failcentral
13:16:16 <nslater> every page on the site (within a frameset, ignoring conneg) pops up an alert saying "This site is optimized in Microsoft Internet Explorer5 of 800 * 600 Pixel."
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13:32:35 <procto> ~
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13:48:39 <sbp> nslater: yikes, we should be glad that they told us! it means we can quickly fire up another browser and see the website in its full puketastic glory, as the authors intended!
13:50:26 <Arnia> With badgers in whipped cream
13:50:35 <nslater> sbp: i didnt want to spam your channel, but that website is a fractal failure, everything from using Eng instead of EN in the URI, the fact that they use a language code in the URI at all (ignoring a 20 year old content negotiation technology) all the way through to the use of framesets, widgets that scroll with the page, but always slightly bellow the current viewport (so if you scroll the page never ends, wtf) and the over use of flash, low ...
13:50:41 <nslater> ... resolution gifs (hello, 1999 called, they want compression back) and blah blah blah
13:50:46 <nslater> oooh, irssi split my message, win
13:51:18 <sbp> (hello, 1999 called, they want compression back) - hahaha
13:51:32 <xover> SPammer!
13:51:32 <sbp> nslater++
13:51:36 <xover> Off with his head!
13:51:39 <nslater> yay, my first swhack karma
13:51:49 * Arnia sends 1999 wavelet transforms in a hat
13:51:51 <xover> Nooo! Let's you and him fight!
13:52:56 <sbp> I suggest we fight for the privilege of a kiss from the fairest maiden of the channel
13:53:02 <sbp> hmm. which I guess would be phenny
13:53:24 * xover decks sbp with a sneaky iron bar to the back of the head…
13:53:44 <sbp> bloody hell, I should've learned by now
13:55:37 <MoiraA_> afternoon
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13:56:36 <sbp> incidentally, some of my poetry lately has been craporama
13:56:45 <sbp> I just figured that it's like I've been listening to the arse of Thor
13:56:57 <sbp> which is quite a good poetic image, if I had more of it
13:57:05 <sbp> POETRY FROM THE ARSE OF THOR
13:57:10 <MoiraA> I'm sure it's not as bad as that!
13:57:18 <xover> It's worse.
13:57:30 <MoiraA> haha
13:57:44 <MoiraA> it's better than anything I could write anyway
13:57:48 <sbp> νονε οφ ιτ ισ ιν Γρεεκ, ατ λεαστ
13:57:56 <sbp> τηοθγη τηατ᾽σ α δεφιψιενψυ τοο
13:58:00 <sbp> βεψαθσε ιτ μεανσ υοθ ψαν ρεαδ ιτ
14:00:11 <MoiraA> I can't even find the option in mirc to switch fonts
14:00:19 <mahound> :D
14:01:09 <MoiraA> I've never really wanted to
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14:01:27 <mahound> "none of it is in greek at least / though that's a deficiency too / because it means you can read it"
14:01:37 <sbp> yeah mang
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14:01:48 <MoiraA> ah well done mahound
14:01:59 <sbp> theta = u for some reason
14:01:59 <Monty> "you"
14:02:02 <sbp> NU
14:02:07 <MoiraA> I'd taken the first word of the last line to be beware#
14:02:13 <sbp> (h is nu)
14:02:39 <MoiraA> what is it in, if not greek?
14:02:44 <sbp> hmm?
14:02:55 <sbp> oh. English
14:03:26 <sbp> I'm not really good enough at any other language to write poetry in it, unless I'm translating
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14:03:50 <MoiraA> english ?!?
14:04:06 <MoiraA> how come I couldn't make any sense out of it?
14:04:07 <sbp> ...what did you expect I write poetry in?
14:04:11 <sbp> eh?
14:04:22 <sbp> the lines I wrote above were in Greekish cypher
14:04:35 <MoiraA> νονε οφ ιτ ισ ιν Γρεεκ, ατ λεαστ < I couldn't read that
14:04:46 <sbp> yes, it says "none of it is in Greek, at least"
14:04:50 <sbp> mahound translated it
14:04:56 <sbp> well, transliterated it
14:04:56 <Monty> aha... got news for 20+ seconds" as fast as knitting may pop along with line of words or other IPR considerations
14:05:13 <mahound> yeah, i know how to map the letters to the latin alphabet, at least
14:05:35 <MoiraA> first word looks like vove
14:05:43 <mahound> cause it's a nu
14:05:46 <MoiraA> I agree with the last line
14:05:59 <MoiraA> err no I don't
14:06:04 <MoiraA> thought it said the opposite
14:06:16 <mahound> :D
14:06:36 <sbp> note that I just switched to Greek Polytonic layout and then typed as if I were in normal
14:06:48 <sbp> and the Polytonic layout is weeeeeeird
14:07:01 <sbp> but works reasonably well for cypherjokes
14:07:16 <sbp> without having to put in much effort, I mean
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14:09:26 <MoiraA> wonder if my PC has Polytonic layout
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14:14:50 <nslater> .title http://mat.tl/mattx/voap/
14:14:51 <phenny> nslater: MattX Technologies - Voice Over A Pea - VOAP
14:15:51 <nsh> .ety entail
14:15:52 <phenny> "c.1340, 'convert (an estate) into 'fee tail' (feudum talliatum),' from en- 'make' + taile 'legal limitation,' especially of inheritance, ruling who succeeds in ownership and preventing it from being sold off, from Anglo-Fr. taile, from O.Fr. taillie, pp. of taillier [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=entail
14:16:16 * nslater laughs
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14:18:35 * nsh is trying to translate the test that he didn't know he had on the genetics course that he's vaguely been on from the language he doesn't understand into english
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14:20:53 <Monty> hey danieljohnlewis
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14:22:17 <procto> ugh
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14:26:23 <nsh> .gs analytic *
14:26:24 <phenny> analytic *: geometry (9), philosophy (8), number (5), therapy (4), continuation (3), and (3), workspaces (2), workspace (2), vision (2), trigonometry (2)
14:29:12 <MoiraA> phew
14:29:31 <MoiraA> just had a conversation with something I *call* a bot
14:31:36 <nsh> did it involve a telephone and hold-music?
14:32:34 <MoiraA> haha
14:32:39 <MoiraA> no, palringo
14:33:02 <MoiraA> it was their with the tag, "send me a message" so I did
14:33:30 <MoiraA> it wasn't at all random like the other bots are
14:33:38 <MoiraA> *there
14:34:07 <MoiraA> don't know what i's w
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14:34:29 <MoiraA> *it's written in, or if I could install it to mu ;hone
14:34:37 <MoiraA> *y phone
14:35:00 <MoiraA> guess not as mine isn't a smartphone
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14:42:23 <nslater> i find the concept that every atom entry needs to have a globally unique <id> value AS WELL AS a URI totally absurd and reject Mark Pilgrim's explanation of this at http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/05/28/howto-atom-id - if anyone more clued up than me wants to point out why I am wrong and why I should use tag:style URIs I am open ears
14:42:40 <ja> tag uris in atom <id> element is annoying
14:42:47 <ja> when link rel=self is the uri of the post
14:42:52 <ja> i dont get it. weird ass data model
14:43:02 <ja> oh, you agree, yes
14:43:07 <ja> then theres link rel=alternate
14:43:08 <nslater> yes, I am going to refuse to use it as the spec only mandates a URI, I shall use the same URI in both places
14:43:12 <ja> which usually slightly diff than the self uri
14:43:16 <ja> like just a diff layout template
14:43:33 <nslater> I might even put in a comment saying <!-- oh look, stupid spec requires TWO identifiers per object -->
14:43:48 <ja> atom people dont understand rdf. at least they understand webarch
14:43:57 <ja> unlike say, Rails people, who understand neither
14:44:03 <nslater> i have a lot of respect for the atom folks, but this is braindead
14:46:24 <ja> sane blogging engines dont change the permalink if the title changes
14:46:36 <nslater> yeah, that seems B.A.D. if you ask me
14:47:21 <ja> 'dont use URNs because theyre not clickable'
14:47:26 <ja> 'but use tag URIs, even tho theyre not clickable'
14:47:31 <ja> that post is 3 years old too
14:47:35 <ja> closer to 4
14:48:02 <ja> his feed parser sucks though
14:48:30 <ja> 200K of weird ifdefs for every slight spec revision? no thanks
14:48:38 * ja one regex to rule them all
14:50:04 <ja> rel= src= and url= all refer to URIs in various feed formats
14:50:08 <ja> inside eg <link> tags
14:50:27 <ja> and wtf are <links> so nondisplayed by the useragent compared to <a>s
14:51:03 <ja> s/rel=/href=/
14:52:15 <nslater> heh
14:52:59 <ja> and the URI is inside an attribute value in <link> but the inner text in <id> and <guid>
14:53:11 <ja> nobody can agree on anything, and factor things out
14:53:22 <ja> <id> should be scrapped if <link> exists, and vice versa
14:54:27 <ja> ive decided to _keep_ the tag uri as the main post uri just so i'll be less likely to click thru to someones site if theyre using it in <id>
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14:54:38 <nslater> lol
14:54:46 <nslater> ... I think he ranted him self out of bandwidth :p
15:01:01 <Morbus> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120995103004666569.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
15:01:02 <Morbus> ha ha
15:01:57 <chandler> "Each episode is a text of inescapable complexity . . . Our received notions of what constitutes a ride are constantly subverted and undermined."
15:02:17 <chandler> I hope the professor wrote "that's wacked shit, dawg" on his paper.
15:11:23 <mahound> "My students were very bully-ish, very aggressive, and very disrespectful [...] They'd argue with your ideas."
15:11:31 <mahound> no sh*t!
15:13:55 <nsh> Don't bring ecofeminism to a mind-fight.
15:14:08 <mahound> :D
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15:26:02 <nsh> "America is spending $16bn a month on running costs alone (ie on top of the regular expenses of the Department of Defence) in Iraq and Afghanistan; that is the entire annual budget of the UN." --http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/28/iraq.afghanistan
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15:34:53 <Monty> yo thelsdj!
15:35:01 <thelsdj> die Monty
15:35:05 <Monty> My secret: noisy experimental reptiles jumps on trusted ladylike Backstreet Boys?!
15:35:32 <sbp> awesome article (Dartmouth)
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15:53:42 <TedThibodeauJr> so I get to see the funky chars *or* the normal convo
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16:20:57 <sbp> _bjoernu!
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16:23:44 * Arnia boings in cryptic confusion
16:25:13 <sbp> apropos of bollock/s?
16:25:27 <sbp> you had *me* confused for a while there
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16:48:00 * sbp switches to droning modal patterns
16:59:11 <nslater> woah
16:59:17 * nslater drowns in a sea of off
16:59:50 * xover offs nslater…
17:00:11 * nslater was strolling home in the lovely sunshine, not raping chickens, for the record
17:00:37 <xover> Right, I told `im you only do that on here.
17:02:06 * nslater notes for the logs that an off'd conversion has just concluded discussing the pros and cons of chicken rape
17:02:16 * MoiraA dowses nslater un even more offs
17:03:26 <nslater> [on] my day has gone fine thanks, the sun makes me drowsy
17:03:35 <MoiraA> [oo
17:03:45 <nslater> 10 days until norway day
17:03:47 <MoiraA> I think my fingers are sick of typing offs
17:03:55 <MoiraA> two typos lol
17:04:07 <xover> “Norway Day”?
17:04:09 <MoiraA> you're off to Norway? cool, I've been twice
17:04:13 <nslater> yeah, 17th may
17:04:20 <nslater> i call it norway day
17:04:25 <xover> heh heh
17:04:38 <xover> You'll be waving flags in charmingly bright colors around then?
17:05:00 <nslater> yeah, and going into town to drink aquavit, and maybe meet some york-bound norwegian chix
17:05:09 <mahound> the problem with off is that if you typo it, it ends up available for the whole web
17:05:10 <xover> Cotton candy? Icecream? Sausages? Nausea? Screaming kids? Screaming adults?
17:05:43 <MoiraA> better take lots of money nslater
17:05:52 <nslater> should be no problems
17:05:59 <MoiraA> we had ice cream, it was a fiver
17:05:59 <xover> Personally I will be hiding in my den, griping to you lot.
17:06:09 <nslater> awe, not a nationalist?
17:06:15 <MoiraA> don't do what we did either
17:06:19 <MoiraA> that is, take euros
17:06:19 <nslater> or, is that patriot? dunno
17:07:03 <xover> Euros? We don't want your stinkin euromoney round here.
17:07:08 <nslater> heh
17:07:27 <MoiraA> we suddenly realised at the port where we checked in, that the ship would take GBP or Krona, but NOT euros which we'd stocked up on
17:07:28 <mahound> euros? norway?
17:07:31 <nslater> oh lawd, xover is it russ season yet?
17:07:42 <xover> nslater: yup
17:07:46 <nslater> hehe, having fun?
17:07:55 <nslater> i.e. with coping
17:08:00 <xover> I'm not setting foot outside the house until May Madness passes.
17:08:03 <nslater> heh heh
17:08:07 <nslater> i wish we had it over here
17:08:21 <sbp> russ season?
17:08:22 <MoiraA> so we had to exchange them at the very expensive thomas cook at the departure point
17:08:57 <xover> .title http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ
17:08:58 <phenny> xover: Russefeiring - Wikipedia
17:09:03 <nslater> sbp: it's when all the 17-18 yr olds go absolutely bat shit crazy, drink everything in sight, buy old vans, paint them red, add annoying horns and drive everywhere screaming, or something
17:09:17 <sbp> oh, chavmonth
17:09:22 <xover> .wik Russ
17:09:22 <phenny> "Russ is a tradition and cultural phenomenon in Norway." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ
17:09:29 <nslater> sbp: no no, nothing like chavs, at all
17:09:44 <nslater> sbp: thats a purely british phenomena
17:09:51 <MoiraA> make sure you find time to go up the Fenicular to the top of the hill ovelooking Bergen
17:09:55 <sbp> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Faroese-Student-Midnamskolen_2003.jpg
17:10:01 <sbp> - doesn't seem all bad
17:10:09 <nslater> yeah, it's quite fun if you're involved :p
17:10:25 <nslater> lots of alcohol and lots of late night parties ftw
17:10:48 <sbp> well I don't like alcohol, or late night parties
17:10:56 <sbp> so I'm not quite sure how fun I'd find it
17:11:01 <nslater> heh
17:11:18 <sbp> I mean, the point of those things is bonking
17:11:25 <sbp> I say we cut the crap and get straight to the bonking
17:11:29 <xover> Feisty drunken girls?
17:11:32 <nslater> im sure they wouldn't mind...
17:11:47 <xover> Who get prices for performing various lewd and lascivous acs?
17:12:12 <nslater> of course, the opposite side of the coin is having a norwegian girl friend while she's a russ and while you're stuck in england... that's _no_ fun at all, let me tell you
17:12:41 <nslater> xover: omg, i forgot about the "trophies for lewd acts" thing, madness
17:12:49 <nslater> "had sex in a tree"
17:12:58 <nslater> "had sex with 3 men older than 30 in one weekend"
17:13:00 * nslater laughs
17:13:29 <sbp> I'd tap that
17:13:32 <sbp> I'd have sex with that tree
17:13:37 <nslater> lawl
17:14:17 <nslater> [[[
17:14:18 <nslater> Here are a couple of russ knot examples.
17:14:18 <nslater> * Having sex outdoors * Going swimming in an industrial river * Eating your own russ card * Having sex in school * Dating a junior * Showering a junior with yogurt * Going through an entire school day with a sock puppet on the hand. All communication must happen through the sock puppet.
17:14:24 <nslater> ]]]
17:14:25 <nslater> (from wikipedia)
17:14:26 <sbp> knot?
17:14:31 <nslater> yeah, or trophy
17:14:36 <nslater> same concept
17:14:37 <sbp> the sock puppet one is awesome
17:15:34 <Arnia> What a strange concept... sounds like Durham on a typical Wednesday
17:15:48 <nslater> weird that wikipedia doesnt have an article on the russ buss
17:15:49 <Arnia> oh dear... it is Wednesday
17:15:52 <nslater> heh
17:17:16 <nslater> wow...
17:17:29 <nslater> "Even the russ themselves were shocked by a 2004 deal where an all girls bus agreed to participate in a pornographic film to pay for some of the costs for the bus; it was unclear whether the girls were only supposed to be extras or if two of the girls would also perform sex acts. After the deal became known, the girls withdrew from the agreement but the pornographer claimed to have deals with others."
17:18:02 <xover> nslater: Want a copy of the movie?
17:18:11 <nslater> xover: you're kidding, right?!
17:18:25 <mahound> xover: share and enjoy :)
17:18:28 <xover> Nope. The thing got produced in the end.
17:26:36 <nslater> hahaha, we have more on the "my brothers windows violates my ethics" debate
17:26:46 * nslater braces for epic and starts to read
17:27:30 <Arnia> ooh...
17:27:51 <Arnia> I think having Crossland in here would be teh funniez
17:28:08 <nslater> he is called PerfDave in freenode, invite him for lulz
17:28:16 <nslater> s/in/on/
17:28:19 <Arnia> PerfDave?
17:28:21 <nslater> yup
17:28:30 <nslater> .g cultofperf
17:28:31 <phenny> nslater: http://binaryfreedom.info/pipermail/freethebbc/2007-December.txt
17:28:34 <nslater> .g perfdave
17:28:35 <phenny> nslater: http://diffrentcolours.livejournal.com/
17:28:55 <nslater> hmm...
17:29:01 <nslater> wrong dave
17:29:15 <nslater> still, one of the others in the thread
17:29:24 <nslater> people shouldnt be allowed to have the same first name :p
17:29:49 <xover> People shouldn't be allowed non-IRC identities.
17:30:05 <nslater> anyway, i was expecting lulz, instead i just got a big fat does of tl;dr
17:30:13 * nslater presses the "ignore thread" button
17:30:24 <Arnia> I love the blind assertion that the software must be buggy and bloated because it is propriatory
17:30:54 <Arnia> (lots of studies on the relative bug rate and bloatedness of open and closed development models, not withstanding)
17:31:00 <xover> Well, empirical data does seem to support such an assumption.
17:31:19 <Arnia> Empirical data I've seen also says that open software is just the same
17:31:40 <Arnia> So, using it as a pejorative is perhaps a little unwarrented
17:31:50 <xover> I'm not certain there is a contradiction. :-)
17:33:13 <Arnia> There is in the implied distinction
17:33:38 * xover is deliberately ignoring your original sentence structure here…
17:34:11 <Arnia> (if you use an adjective phrase in language in a comparative phrase, it generally means that the noun which the phrase is attached to differs from the other noun by the adjective phrase)
17:35:54 <Arnia> nslater: what does Perf refer to?
17:36:10 <xover> Perf…orated bowel?
17:36:31 * Arnia perforates xover
17:36:41 <nslater> no idea
17:36:45 <xover> ITYM “Penetrates”.
17:36:46 <nslater> performance, perfection
17:37:13 <Arnia> hope not the latter, and the former sounds like a sexual brag to me
17:37:36 <nslater> .title http://cultofperf.org.uk/
17:37:37 <phenny> nslater: The Cult of Perf: Enlightenment through Superior Firepower
17:38:10 <xover> I like the “Superior Firepower” bit.
17:38:24 <nslater> would be better with a trailing z
17:38:30 <Arnia> Favours the former interpretation then
17:38:30 <mahound> "The elders are still meditating on the content of this website..."
17:39:08 <nslater> .g semtard vapourware
17:39:08 <phenny> nslater: http://diffrentcolours.livejournal.com/764928.html
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17:39:18 <xover> .gc semtard
17:39:18 <Monty> Me and a commentary on real life conversation
17:39:19 <phenny> semtard: 32
17:39:20 <Monty> without dragging the taptu page contains major developments and i'd rather like romance? this one line to kill him tbh
17:39:21 <nslater> ^^ his attempt at google bombing me, totally backfired
17:39:58 <nslater> at first i put lots of gay porn at bytesexual.org/publish and then i just 301'd to his own site
17:40:43 <nslater> now it seems i have an apache error page, oh well
17:44:58 <sbp> huh. who was Jane Leeves in that? the Queen?
17:46:35 <sbp> oh man, please bring Crossland in here
17:47:18 <deltab> sbp: in what? a Simpsons Episode?
17:47:25 <sbp> deltab: yeah, the England one
17:47:31 <sbp> EABF10 or so?
17:47:42 <deltab> her character was Edwina
17:48:29 <sbp> EABF22
17:48:35 <sbp> Edwina! ah, funny
17:48:36 <sbp> thanks
17:48:53 <sbp> I'll have to listen more carefully next time, clearly
17:50:06 <deltab> oh, the episode I just missed?
17:50:51 <sbp> yeah, sry
17:53:11 <deltab> sbp: nah, I should remember that there are actually Simpsons episodes being shown now that I haven't seen
17:53:33 <sbp> 'chwill remind you tomorrowz
17:54:15 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 1350 minutes to watch the Simpsons. deltab too
17:54:15 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu May 08 18:04:47 BST 2008
17:54:20 <sbp> BAD
17:54:26 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 1340 minutes to watch the Simpsons. deltab too
17:54:26 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu May 08 17:54:58 BST 2008
17:54:28 <deltab> also Stargate SG-1 and Lost are being repeated on Freeview channels
17:54:39 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 1400 minutes to watch the Simpsons repeat if you missed the first showing. deltab too
17:54:39 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu May 08 18:55:12 BST 2008
17:55:08 <sbp> eh, I don't watch either of those
17:55:13 <sbp> I hear the first series of Lost was good
17:55:29 <xover> Production values were good, the show not so much.
17:55:52 <deltab> if you want to see it, now would be a good time to catch it, since it's being repeated from the start :-)
17:56:37 <deltab> and there's second season Heroes too
17:56:58 <deltab> (which is new to me)
17:57:05 <deltab> and all-new Doctor Who
18:00:10 <sbp> “Christian russ might form their own groups to have fun together without peer pressure towards alcohol, sex and drugs.”
18:00:13 <sbp> aw, how sweet
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18:04:45 <mahound> what's the sense of it without those three things?
18:04:59 <sbp> you can hold hands
18:05:03 <mahound> :D
18:05:06 <mahound> sweet
18:05:31 <deltab> sbp: but only with other hands
18:05:46 <sbp> ...right
18:06:23 <deltab> horse statue on C4 News now
18:06:35 <deltab> southern counterpart of the Angel of the North
18:06:36 <sbp> aw nuts, I am not beby the teevee
18:06:54 <sbp> bound to be on BBC News somewhere online though...
18:07:11 <deltab> by the way, how's your network connection now?
18:07:49 <sbp> online: hmm, it's not
18:07:56 <sbp> my connection? it's fine now...
18:08:07 <deltab> broadband?
18:08:07 * sbp can't remember when it last sucked ass even; but probably only a couple of days ago
18:08:19 <sbp> oh, in terms of overall speed? yeah, broadband
18:08:33 <sbp> can get like 300kbps I think
18:09:28 * sbp wonders why "Hillary Clinton says she'll stay in the presidential race" is top of news.google.co.uk... remembers why he doesn't use it much anymore
18:09:59 <sbp> ah, Ebbsfleet
18:10:22 <sbp> the photo + caption on http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/05/07/bmsculpturecomment.xml is funny
18:11:09 <sbp> so they've definitely settled on the horse?
18:11:12 <sbp> thank goodness for that, if so
18:11:21 <sbp> the other designs - http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=284&storycode=3112938&c=0 are kinda crap
18:11:41 <deltab> it's the favorite, I gather
18:13:14 <sbp> .title http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/05/06/2348256.shtml
18:13:15 <phenny> sbp: Slashdot | Earth May Once Have Had Multiple Moons
18:13:20 <sbp> “from the many-moons-ago dept.”
18:13:39 <jsled> hee
18:13:39 <phenny> jsled: 09:41Z <nslater> tell jsled <sward> If I ever get the book it’s quoted in, I’ll fix the sig. Wikipedia says one thing, several other resources say another. I’m not placing any authority on Wikipedia.
18:13:41 <phenny> jsled: 09:42Z <nslater> tell jsled http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101010458/ (are these both right?)
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18:19:58 <sbp> “A painstaking two-year investigation to determine which of two skulls belonged to Friedrich Schiller has found neither is a match, prolonging a 180-year-old mystery over the celebrated German poet's remains.” - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080505/od_nm/germany_schiller_skull_dc
18:22:15 <sbp> .title http://www.bedsonsunday.com/bedsonsunday-news/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=312502
18:22:16 <phenny> sbp: Photo of bus stop brings out the 'thought police' - News - Bedfordshire on Sunday
18:25:18 <sbp> SHREW: http://afp.google.com/media/ALeqM5iFeIbfqXBdEbfm_G7He0UKxrpYWw?size=m
18:25:30 <sbp> via http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gpqVYuM3hesvMQU-e5J2nCTmpDgw
18:25:32 <sbp> .title
18:25:33 <phenny> sbp: AFP: New shrew discovered in Ireland
18:26:39 <ja> tame or wild?
18:27:13 <ja> a woman with a violent, scolding, or nagging temperament
18:27:20 <ja> those things look pretty docile
18:27:33 <xover> Looks can be deceiving.
18:28:27 <mahound> wikipedia says they can eat animals with twice their size
18:29:31 <clsn> Yes, there are violent women who can eat animals twice their size...
18:30:22 <mahound> :D
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19:20:41 <xover> .title http://gizmodo.com/388086/sprint-spending-100-million-to-kick-iphone-in-the-nuts-iphone-wearing-cup
19:20:42 <phenny> xover: Sprint's $100 Million Mistake: Sprint Spending $100 Million to Kick iPhone in the Nuts (iPhone Wearing Cup)
19:20:43 <Monty> â20+â? is junk that made it ? rune(["--help"])
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19:40:18 <_bjoern> sbp?
19:41:19 <_bjoern> I made #Swhack this: http://g.photos.cx/DSCF0025-e7.JPG
19:59:49 <Arnia> Yay!
20:03:53 <_bjoern> taken somewhere around here http://maps.google.com/maps?sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.956929,81.738281&ie=UTF8&ll=54.737153,8.710731&spn=0.004577,0.009978&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr
20:04:43 <sbp> _bjoern: ahahaha
20:04:45 <sbp> awesome. thanks
20:04:53 <_bjoern> I also made some floating halligen pix
20:05:02 <_bjoern> but they aren't all that good it turns out
20:05:03 <sbp> ooh!
20:05:07 <sbp> real pix
20:05:11 <sbp> not fakezored?
20:05:21 <sbp> with all floating Martians and marshmallows and stuff
20:05:43 <sbp> I like the pole exclamation mark
20:06:18 <sbp> heh, and all the composition footprints
20:06:37 * _bjoern uploading one poor halligen pix
20:06:48 <sbp> looks like there are some leading up to it on the left, and some leading up on the right
20:06:55 <sbp> none going past the sandscribble
20:07:22 <_bjoern> http://g.photos.cx/DSCF0014-27.JPG (~600kb)
20:07:50 <sbp> also, is that a windmill in the sandscribble one?
20:08:08 <_bjoern> yes
20:08:11 <sbp> woah, not too bad
20:08:23 <sbp> if you had an insanely good telephoto lens it would have been pretty good
20:08:44 <sbp> I think most of the really good ones are taken from one the halligen themselves
20:08:53 <sbp> +of
20:09:19 <_bjoern> From before them during a Wattwanderung I'd think
20:09:33 <sbp> how often did you have to look to get that shot? first time?
20:09:33 <_bjoern> http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=54.722873,8.713531&spn=0.004579,0.009978&z=17
20:09:42 <_bjoern> zoom out to discover which halligen you see on the pix
20:09:58 * sbp -> http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Wattwanderung -> hehe
20:10:22 <sbp> aha, Oland
20:11:21 <sbp> does that train line still do anything?
20:11:35 <_bjoern> Well I was walking home and took some pix, it's not the first floating halligen one I just picked one at random really
20:11:42 <sbp> gotcha
20:12:26 <sbp> have you ever been over to them? they look kinda funky
20:12:37 <_bjoern> You actually see several, not just Oland, btw.
20:12:49 <sbp> yeah, I was trying to work out what the string of 'em to the right is
20:12:49 <_bjoern> I think to some, but long ago
20:13:16 <sbp> I guess they're all part of Nordmarsch-Langeneß?
20:13:37 <sbp> they look separate though... so further guess that Nordmarsch-Langeneß is a bit hilly
20:14:30 <sbp> phenny: "Bauwerkshöhe und Feuerhöhe"?
20:14:33 <_bjoern> Well I am not entirely sure whether that is the case, or whether you can also see, say, Hooge, which is behind it.
20:14:43 <_bjoern> building height and fire height
20:14:47 <phenny> sbp: "building height and fire height" (de)
20:14:50 <sbp> thx
20:15:06 <sbp> odd phrase. it's from http://wikimapia.org/5535133/de/Leuchtturm_Nordmarsch_Langene%C3%9F
20:15:19 <_bjoern> my fav is probably this one: http://g.photos.cx/DSCF0017-25.JPG
20:15:38 <_bjoern> you can see the railroad from the previous one in the background
20:16:06 <sbp> what on earth is the tub thing on the right?
20:16:12 <_bjoern> what do you call the height of a Leuchtturm and the height of the light in the Leuchtturm?
20:16:34 <_bjoern> phenny, de "Teerfass"?
20:16:35 <sbp> it looks like an alien's puked all over the place
20:16:40 <phenny> _bjoern: "tar barrel" (de)
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20:16:58 * sbp was about to look up Leuchtturm but thinks that he guessed it... aha
20:17:28 <_bjoern> The stones beneath are supposed to be Wellenbrecher, the tar might be supposed to hold them better together.
20:17:30 <sbp> no way did that little tar barrel contain all that tar
20:17:39 <_bjoern> there are several places that look similar, but much less tar
20:17:54 <_bjoern> Well they might have had some in the Schubkarre aswell.
20:18:39 <sbp> .gc Teerschubkarre
20:18:41 <phenny> Teerschubkarre: 0
20:18:45 <sbp> NO SUCH THING
20:19:21 <_bjoern> I was going to use this as counter example but it did not work
20:19:24 <_bjoern> .gc Menschenschubkarre
20:19:24 <phenny> Menschenschubkarre: 7
20:19:40 <sbp> hmm. schub is like batch in this sense?
20:19:55 <sbp> oh, or more likely push?
20:19:59 <sbp> pushcart. that'd make sense
20:20:06 <_bjoern> yes
20:20:20 <_bjoern> on its way to Oland http://g.photos.cx/DSCF0020-5c.JPG
20:20:37 <_bjoern> this is a little bit before the point with the schubkarre
20:20:48 <sbp> heh, Klonen von Menschen
20:21:10 <sbp> oh, so the rails are still in use?
20:21:14 <sbp> they look all manky and shit
20:21:14 <Monty> potty mouth!
20:21:29 <_bjoern> Of course! They are building a second track now though
20:21:35 <_bjoern> http://g.photos.cx/DSCF0022-73.JPG here it's a bit further along
20:22:21 <sbp> that one's great because you can't see the rail
20:22:29 <sbp> it's like someone just built it in the middle of their field
20:22:43 <_bjoern> hehe
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20:22:47 <sbp> how often does it run? do people actually use it?
20:23:30 <_bjoern> The people living on those two halligen use it often, yes.
20:23:43 <_bjoern> They also use it to pick up tourists going to visit the halligen.
20:23:46 <sbp> in my mind, only magic people live on halligen
20:23:53 <_bjoern> several times a day, they have plenty of Loren.
20:23:58 <_bjoern> Though I am no expert.
20:24:16 <_bjoern> http://g.photos.cx/DSCF0005-ea.JPG
20:24:32 <_bjoern> I think on the top right is the schubkarren place.
20:24:40 <sbp> Loren: I give up, leo.de has FAILED
20:24:57 <_bjoern> lorry
20:25:14 <sbp> oh!
20:25:15 <_bjoern> (use the singular "Lore")
20:25:18 <sbp> yeah
20:25:24 <sbp> silly me
20:26:18 <sbp> I had to walk through sheep yesterday. hang on
20:26:32 <_bjoern> the left one is the new track-to-be, the old one on the right http://g.photos.cx/DSCF0016-be.JPG
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20:26:45 <Monty> hey idickinson
20:27:53 <sbp> heh, no more supermaning that ho~
20:28:09 <sbp> SHEEP: http://g.photos.cx/sheep-cd.jpg
20:28:21 <sbp> oh, much better
20:29:10 <sbp> I was like "please let those things up there not be cows"
20:29:28 <sbp> walking through cows is a pain in the ass. they all just stand there and look at you as if to say "MOO?"
20:29:37 <sbp> sheep are cool. they get out of the way
20:29:47 <_bjoern> They carefully stood out of my way http://g.photos.cx/DSCF0003-be.JPG
20:29:57 <_bjoern> hehe
20:29:59 <sbp> sheep!
20:31:03 <_bjoern> Yeah that's all the not too bad ones I've got. Only 16MB on my cam it seems...
20:31:14 <sbp> ouch
20:31:24 <sbp> getcherself a sandisk thingy mang
20:31:37 <_bjoern> Well there is room for some extension card I think, and at the time I had a notebook, so no issue...
20:31:37 <sbp> only like thirty EUR for a gig or two
20:31:44 <sbp> aha
20:32:03 <_bjoern> I'd have a 200GB usb drive, but it won't connect to the cam...
20:32:10 <sbp> heh
20:32:16 <sbp> it's gotten to the point where the battery is worse off than the storage really
20:32:24 <_bjoern> also, I forgot the usb cable for the cam, otherwise I'd have emailed a batch and made a new one...
20:32:33 <sbp> I bought two batteries so that I can swap them about. I get like 200-300 pics on each
20:33:01 <sbp> oh, you're still up there. I follow now
20:33:22 <_bjoern> Oh no I returned a few hours ago
20:33:25 <sbp> ah
20:33:43 <_bjoern> but I have internet there of course if I really need it.
20:33:54 <_bjoern> didn't bother setting it up at home though
20:33:58 <sbp> any chance of a Storchbesuch?
20:34:09 <_bjoern> was a bit scared to boot my Pentium 100, it might have Win95 installed.
20:34:19 <_bjoern> that's on my list of course!
20:34:19 <sbp> mmm, I know the feeling
20:34:51 <_bjoern> or debian, which'd be kinda worse.
20:34:55 <sbp> ehheh
20:35:10 <_bjoern> I used the pc as firewall for my notebook back in those days.
20:35:27 <_bjoern> because the isdn card would only fit there, primarily.
20:35:32 <_bjoern> (ISA card...)
20:35:36 <sbp> didn't MS declare even WinMe unfit for the internet a month or two ago?
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20:35:52 <_bjoern> quite possible
20:35:55 <sbp> probably trying to boost Vista sales, thinking about
20:35:59 <sbp> ...it
20:36:15 <_bjoern> Vista + XP up/downgrade sales.
20:36:50 <_bjoern> how are the storks anyway?
20:36:58 <_bjoern> anything hatched?
20:37:01 <sbp> they've been sitting around basically
20:37:07 <sbp> oh, I think I saved one photo for you though
20:37:08 <sbp> hang on
20:37:20 <_bjoern> I chexxx teh storkblog
20:37:34 <_bjoern> not updated since apr 27
20:38:07 <_bjoern> http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/bildgalerie_pfalzstorch/details.php?image_id=24353
20:38:18 <_bjoern> http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/bildgalerie_pfalzstorch/details.php?image_id=24352
