00:01:08 <therethinker> heh
00:01:11 <therethinker> So it works?
00:01:35 <Brando1> in the config, yes
00:04:51 <Brando1> Well, thanks :)
00:05:01 <Brando1> Gotta love Python :)
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00:57:52 <therethinker> .title http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/rethink/crystalline-cube-1264
00:57:53 <phenny> therethinker: Ponoko - Crystalline Cube
01:03:19 <_bjoern> hmm http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/yago104.html
01:03:24 <_bjoern> .title
01:03:24 <phenny> _bjoern: 10 day survival pack for your vehicle for just $25 by Jeffrey Yago, P.E., CEM Issue #104
01:03:35 <_bjoern> .c 25 USD in EUR
01:03:36 <phenny> 25 U.S. dollars = 16.2411486 Euros
01:08:56 <therethinker> notbad
01:12:56 <clsn> therethinker: you thought of something to do with ponoko? Cool!
01:13:00 <therethinker> Mhmm
01:13:10 <therethinker> My image sucks balls
01:13:19 <clsn> I thought "wow, cool, I could make... no... how about...? no, that isn't anything..."
01:13:20 <therethinker> but the puzzle itself shoul dbe good
01:13:26 <therethinker> Hehe
01:13:32 <therethinker> Yeah, they're having a puzzle challenge
01:13:43 <therethinker> The cutting costs are *really* expensive
01:13:50 <therethinker> which kept me away from it...
01:14:53 <clsn> Yeah, your image sucks balls.
01:15:35 <clsn> .ety flunk
01:15:36 <phenny> "1823, Amer.Eng. college slang, original meaning 'to back out, give up, fail,' traditionally said to be an alteration of British university slang funk 'to be frightened, shrink from' (see funk (1))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=flunk
01:15:41 <clsn> .ety flunky
01:15:42 <phenny> "1782, Scottish dial., 'footman, liveried servant,' of uncertain origin, perhaps a dim. variant of flanker." - http://etymonline.com/?term=flunky
01:15:54 <therethinker> But yeah, I tried to get a friend to do a 3D model
01:16:05 <therethinker> he was confused by my drawings
01:16:36 <clsn> All I could come up with to make was things like Klingon scrabble sets, which is hardly worth the effort of ponoko.
01:16:50 <therethinker> speaking of scrabble:
01:16:50 <clsn> (Scrabble, incidentally, is excellent in Klingon)
01:17:20 <therethinker> http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/royleban/wim-the-every-which-way-word-game-1260
01:17:22 <therethinker> heh
01:17:56 <therethinker> Yeah, if I win the contest & get money, I want to try to make a 2D ball clock
01:18:24 <therethinker> Those things have always fascinated me...
01:19:05 <clsn> There were some cool jewelry things that went 3D because they were supposed to be twisted and glued... I like that, that's the "writing the other way" kind of thinking.
01:19:29 <therethinker> mhmm
01:19:38 <therethinker> I prefer the stuff that doesn't require extra parts ;-)
01:19:46 <therethinker> there's some clever ones that do that...
01:20:09 <clsn> I don't even know what the prices come up to, I never tried designing anything.
01:20:41 <therethinker> its fairly expensive
01:21:01 <therethinker> my cube would cost $175 to make ($150 is cutting costs) + shipping from NZ
01:21:04 <clsn> http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/royleban/wim-the-every-which-way-word-game-1260 is not cleverer in design than Klingon scrabble, but is a potentially clever notion.
01:21:09 <clsn> Zam! That's a lot.
01:21:56 <therethinker> yeah
01:22:16 <therethinker> mostly because its 6mm thick
01:22:35 <therethinker> clsn: that's what I linked to earlier ;p
01:22:41 <clsn> Oh sry.
01:22:46 <therethinker> its k
01:22:48 <therethinker> its just funny ;-0
01:22:50 <therethinker> *)
01:23:11 <clsn> I was musing about cutting out a hilbert (peano?) curve, making a really really complicated-looking 2-piece jigsaw puzzle.
01:23:19 <therethinker> anyway, yeah... it's interesting... almost like ambigram scrabble... but it doesn't need a laser cutter
01:23:24 <therethinker> .wik hilbert curve
01:23:25 <phenny> "A Hilbert curve (also known as a Hilbert space filling curve) is a continuous fractal space-filling curve first described by the German mathematician David Hilbert in 1891.[1]|" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_curve
01:23:33 <therethinker> clsn: hmm
01:24:05 <therethinker> Oh, that thing
01:24:40 <clsn> Most of the cool shit isn't for sale.
01:24:47 <therethinker> mm
01:24:56 <therethinker> I bet if you asked the person nicely, you could work something out
01:25:09 <therethinker> I'm assuming they're not selling because they don't want to set up a seller account
01:25:34 <clsn> You need a special kind of account for that? Yeah, that would suck.
01:25:39 <clsn> I thought it was more cafepress-like.
01:25:41 <therethinker> Mhmm
01:25:48 <therethinker> I started to sign up -- its worse than ebay
01:25:58 <therethinker> you need to setup paypal & a credit card
01:26:31 <clsn> Astoundingly stupid ad copy, but very simple, uncomplicated object... and kind of nice-looking anyway. http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/razoo/neural-necklace-1145
01:27:04 <therethinker> I kinda like it though
01:27:14 <therethinker> its simplicity is nice
01:27:31 <therethinker> there was one necklace where it was like modular
01:27:40 <clsn> Exactly. It's quite tastefully understated.
01:27:56 <therethinker> it was these (X)-ish shaped pieces that would all lock together... if I was a woman I'd wear it ;p
01:28:22 <therethinker> http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/nervous/orchid-necklace-1130 -- seems clever, yet I'd think it'd be huge :P
01:30:10 <therethinker> http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/SnowGalvin/p1locketamber-1050 -- I think that's really clever.
01:30:16 <clsn> Nice use of flat pieces to make a 3D shape. And you could do that with any shape. And it would be incredibly expensive.
01:30:53 <therethinker> well, the material is cheap, its cutting it
01:31:12 <therethinker> oh, somehow that reminded me to send an email: thanks!
01:31:19 <clsn> What do they charge for the material? And the cutting?
01:31:20 <clsn> No problem.
01:32:33 <therethinker> The material's cheap, lemme find the page w/ the listings. The cutting is what kills you... its based on how long it takes to cut/engrave though
01:33:35 <therethinker> http://www.ponoko.com/makeandsell/show_material/19-acrylic-clear-transparent -- there's pricing for clear acrylic as you can see, its not *that* bad
01:34:44 <clsn> Neat. FF just crashed.
01:35:10 <therethinker> Heh.I hate Fx
01:39:24 <clsn> http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/keebOo/click-clack-951 This the one you meant?
01:41:16 <therethinker> nope...
01:41:41 <clsn> K,.maybe I've been watching too many boners.com gag pictures, but despite the obvious femininity of the picture in http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/LiamMcFadyen/pokodot-908 doesn't it also look like... a big dick and balls, pointing to the right?
01:42:11 <therethinker> haha
01:42:37 <therethinker> HAHA
01:42:45 <clsn> So you see it too?
01:42:46 <therethinker> yeah, I think its one of those things
01:43:09 <therethinker> like, it was meant to be both, and this poor soul didn't know ;p
01:43:44 <clsn> I dunno, maybe it just happened that way...
01:44:19 <clsn> http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/IgorKnez/wave-pattern-jewl-869
01:44:25 <clsn> And the same guy has another one.
01:44:31 <clsn> THAT's the way to be clever with this.
01:44:52 <therethinker> "And it doesn’t use extras such as hooks and chains, only glue. " -- (another project)
01:45:08 <therethinker> http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/mU/modular-necklace-859
01:45:11 <therethinker> that's what I was talking about
01:45:22 <therethinker> Yeah, I really like that
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01:46:07 <therethinker> I still think that that wave pattern thing is cheating...
01:46:22 <therethinker> er... nevermind... basically, did you really look at it? its not what it seems
01:48:23 <clsn> Yeah, I see.
01:48:33 <clsn> I think there's another noe that's ONE piece that you twist.
01:49:32 <therethinker> mhmm
01:49:45 <therethinker> I don't know how well it'd work, at least w/ acrylic
01:49:58 <therethinker> acrylic is some rigid stuff
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01:51:02 <TedThibodeauJr> http://internetalchemy.org/2002/11/foafTiny.svg/clear
01:51:08 <TedThibodeauJr> er....
01:51:18 <TedThibodeauJr> *erase erase erase*
01:54:16 <therethinker> *unerase*
01:56:19 <clsn> http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/bza/odb-603 <-- made from an audio waveform. clever, if not really...
01:56:26 <therethinker> yeah... its interesting
01:56:30 <therethinker> did you see the facebook one?
01:56:45 <therethinker> I don't quite understand *how* its generated... but whatev.
01:57:42 <clsn> http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/IgorKnez/twirl-pattern-jewl-1036
01:57:53 <clsn> facebook one?
01:59:29 <therethinker> mhmm
01:59:35 <therethinker> it looks like a topographical map
02:01:17 <clsn> .gs the password is *
02:01:18 <phenny> the password is *: 55132098 (4), techbum (3), incorrect (3), gato (3), encrypted (3), 123qwe (3), ucmstaff (2), transmitted (2), omcapix (2), frontrow (2), fayleyure (2)
02:01:33 <therethinker> that was... unexpected
02:01:41 <therethinker> .gc "the password is 55132098"
02:01:42 <phenny> "the password is 55132098": 96
02:01:50 <therethinker> .g "the password is 55132098"
02:01:51 <phenny> therethinker: http://www.sophos.com/security/analyses/w32bobandyb.html
02:01:57 <clsn> .title
02:01:59 <phenny> clsn: W32/Bobandy-B Win32 worm - Sophos security analysis
02:02:34 <therethinker> ah
02:02:38 <therethinker> it was the password on some worm
02:03:16 <clsn> or the subject line used by it.
02:03:42 <therethinker> well, it "password protected" a zip file
02:04:31 <Morbus> clsn: ping.
02:04:38 <clsn> Morbus: ack
02:04:44 <therethinker> pong
02:04:45 <Morbus> clsn: have you ever been to gamegrene.com?
02:05:02 <clsn> Morbus: Yeah, I did the Rod of Quiends I think, ages agone.
02:05:05 <Morbus> clsn: or, rather, do you knwo what a d20 is? or the state of the rpg industry?
02:05:25 <Morbus> clsn: short story long, i'm working on an upgrade to the site and, along with it, a new logo.
02:05:33 <Morbus> clsn: i need to run it by someone who has No Clue to see if they "Get it".
02:05:37 <Morbus> do you have no clue? ;)
02:05:50 <clsn> I know what a d20 is, as a die not as a game system. I haven't *played* rpgs in forever, though I know something of the scene.
02:05:58 <Morbus> ok, that's perfet.
02:06:03 <Morbus> can I pm you the sekrit URL?
02:06:07 <clsn> Sure.
02:06:18 <Morbus> so, note that this is obviously just a sketch.
02:06:37 <Morbus> and the only thing you're looking at is the logo in the upper right.
02:06:46 <Morbus> nothing else (or even it's visual placement - I know it's offcenter, for example)
02:06:48 <therethinker> I can haz sekrit yerl?
02:06:54 <Morbus> i dunno who you are <g>
02:06:59 <Morbus> but, sure, why not ;)
02:07:11 <clsn> OK... Right, scarab beetle moving magickal d20...
02:07:12 <Morbus> therethinker: do you know what a d20 is, or a clue about rpg tablestops, etc?
02:07:29 <therethinker> ...if I say yes will you give me the URL?
02:07:36 <Morbus> ... yes <g>
02:07:55 <Morbus> clsn: ok. thanks.
02:08:04 <clsn> Are you going to be a true patriotic geek and make sure that the numbers on the d20 are in a recognized standard arrangement?
02:08:05 <Morbus> looking for first impressions at the moment.
02:08:09 <Morbus> clsn: of course :)
02:08:11 <therethinker> <path d="M 100,100 D 100, 200 D 200, 200" /> </g>
02:08:23 * therethinker has to finish Morbus's SVG file
02:08:38 <clsn> That's a good Morbus.
02:09:11 <clsn> oooh, dicecollector.com has redesigned his site.
02:09:22 <Morbus> therethinker: thoughts?
02:09:38 <therethinker> I don't have thoughts, they hurt too much
02:09:58 <Morbus> then you're being useless and wasted my time.
02:09:59 <Morbus> ;)
02:10:05 <clsn> http://www.dicecollector.com/d20face.html
02:10:25 <therethinker> OH GAWD ITS GREEN!
02:10:27 <therethinker> that's my thought
02:10:34 <therethinker> now I need to go lie down
02:10:36 <Morbus> the logo. that's all i care about.
02:11:49 <therethinker> That's green too
02:15:27 <jsled> Morbus: the logo is too weak.
02:15:34 <jsled> the Blue on green is also horrible.
02:15:45 <jsled> Talk about lack of retinal receptors.
02:15:48 <Morbus> that's not what i asked.
02:16:00 <Morbus> nothing below the dashed line is even remotely finished.
02:16:11 <Morbus> heh
02:16:14 <therethinker> of course it is!
02:16:28 <therethinker> .gd remotely
02:16:28 <phenny> remotely: in a remote manner; "when the measured speech of the chorus passes over into song the tones are, remotely but unmistakably, those taught by the ...
02:16:35 <therethinker> you suck phenny
02:18:05 <jsled> d[20]ung beetle. The logo is currently too weak. Tautologically, made awesome, it'll be awesome.
02:18:11 <jsled> It's a hard one to do.
02:18:46 <jsled> You want the hard lines of the d20 with the organic curves of the poop-ball.
02:19:09 <jsled> But it's a great idea.
02:19:43 <Morbus> jsled: yeah, the dung beetle itself doesn't look so much like a dung beetle.
02:19:50 <Morbus> as there's not really three segments to a dung beetle.
02:19:52 <clsn> I noticed that...
02:20:24 <clsn> Goodnipe.
02:20:34 <clsn> .gc goodnipe
02:20:35 <phenny> goodnipe: 2
02:21:48 <Morbus> thanks for the comments :)
02:23:03 * Morbus heads to bed.
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02:33:56 <jsled> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1323/1433529629_4c1f775559.jpg
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02:47:39 <Brando1> Hello again! :) I had another seemingly trivial question that I can't seem to resolve by myself...
02:48:10 <Brando1> The bot has to have a logging mechanism, because I've seen the logs on the net, but I can't seem to find any configuration setting / module / log file. I must be missing something obvious again.
02:48:16 <Brando1> This is for the Phenny bot, by the way.
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02:51:07 <jsled> God damnit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jsled#Language.2C_please.21
02:51:20 <jsled> Fucking douchebag fucking retards.
02:52:00 <Brando1> haha
02:52:53 <jsled> (updated)
02:53:14 <deltab> Brando1: logging is done by another bot, loggy
02:53:45 <Brando1> ah i just found a log that says phenny doesn't log
02:54:02 <Brando1> do they work together? or is it an either or thing? I do like phenny's simple source and config
02:54:15 <jsled> they're separate.
02:54:46 <Brando1> :( Okay, thanks!
02:55:02 <jsled> FWIW, supybot has a channel logger that's not bad.
02:55:47 <jsled> http://svn.gnucash.org/repo/meta/scripts/irc_log_htmlizer.py has something that'll real-time convert it to HTML, similar to loggy.
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03:00:00 <Brando1> Wow, Loggy is superb.
03:00:05 <Brando1> A single file and it worked instantly.
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03:27:28 <jsled> http://ejohn.org/blog/processingjs/
03:32:24 <aspect> hi, another proggit reader :-)
03:32:28 <aspect> that's way impressive
03:34:16 <aspect> I'm torn wrt javascript ... it's a really nice little language, and some of the ff plugins make it quite fun to code in .. but browser-as-runtime makes me go "eww"
03:35:17 <jsled> to be fair, I saw it at http://waxy.org/links/ first, but I'm sure it was co-temporaly with proggit.
03:35:48 <jsled> browser-as-runtime is *EVERY OTHER APP WE USE*, so get over it.
03:36:16 <jsled> bed calls. 'night.
03:37:16 * aspect rails against English's lack of inclusive and exclusive "we"
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04:59:11 <thelsdj> "If I put peoples balls in my mouth all the time I'd be a prostitute, or possibly a gamespot employee." - Yahtzee
04:59:55 <xover> Would depend on what you did subsequently, wouldn't it?
05:04:13 <xover> Wow, it is astoundingly difficult to make an appointment to see my doctor.
05:05:25 <xover> You cannot simply walk ito an Emergency Room round here; if you're capable of walking in there under your own power, you're not sick enough to be there.
05:06:25 <xover> The normal General Practice has hours from 08:30 to 15:30.
05:06:39 <xover> There is a several week waiting list for appointments.
05:07:38 <xover> If you need, say, a course of antibiotics for some unpleasant but not immediately life-treathening problem, you can call up and ask for an “emergency appointmet".
05:08:51 <xover> The procedure for this is to call up your GP 5 minutes before they officially open, to try to beat the queue, and then keep calling until you either get through or the clock turns 9am (at which point they no longer give out emergency appointmets that day).
05:09:24 <xover> You cannot call on, say, Thursday to ask for an Emergency Appointment on Friday.
05:10:55 <xover> Outside the GP opening hours there is a quasi-ER service (not the actual ER) you can go to, that works much as the ER does in America; you show up, wait however many hours until someone has time between the gun-shot wounds to see you about your stomack flu.
05:11:04 <thelsdj> where are you?
05:11:28 <tonybaloney867> xover: is this how UK emergency health care works?
05:11:50 <xover> But during GP hours this quasi-ER will refuse to see you, regardless of whether you can get an “Emergency Appointment” at your GPs or not.
05:12:37 <xover> Outside GP hours they will let you in, but they won't prescribe you anything outside three painkillers and possibly bandages if you're actually bleeding.
05:13:04 <xover> They will not issue prescriptions, and they will not give you a sick slip (so you can stay home from work).
05:13:47 <xover> thelsdj: Norway; the second most wonderful country in the world to live in according to the UN.
05:14:11 <xover> (Canada edged us out of first placethis year, IIRC)
05:14:30 <xover> The kicker is that I work in a hospital.
05:15:30 <xover> If I'd been willing to play the game like everyone else around here, I'd never stand in line at a GP office; I'd call up a good old boy in the system somewhere and get whatever prescription I needed in five minutes flat.
05:16:28 <xover> CT? MRI? No problem. Gastroscopy? Brain surgery? Sure thing, how soon would it be convenient?
05:17:35 <xover> But getting a course of broad-spectrum antibiotics is a fucking full-time job.
05:20:41 <thelsdj> is it any easier for old people or children?
05:21:26 <xover> Both the GP's emergency appointments and the quasi-ER perform triage; the elderly and children do tend to get bumped up.
05:22:16 <xover> The criteria is severity of condition, and being old or very young is considered a complicating factor.
05:23:08 <thelsdj> i assume they probably use a lot of statistics to find that people don't die, or don't need more expensive treatment due to not getting treatment so they don't care if you suffer in other ways
05:24:24 <xover> Once you're ill enough that you actually need to get picked up by ambulance, the .no health care system is second to none.
05:24:56 <xover> The local hospital likes to brag about two cases:
05:25:38 <xover> 1) A hiker that fell through the ice on a lake, was under for 40 minutes (without air), and was resucitated here.
05:26:07 <xover> 2) A drunk Russian sailor that cut off his own dick with a broken vodka bottle (I shit you not!), and they reattached it perfectly.
05:27:08 <xover> (I may be blanking on the details; 40 minutes is what I recall, but it sounds very very long)
05:29:16 <xover> In any case, the general quality of hospitals in .no is very very good; it's just everything prior to the point of hospitalization that's entirely hopeless.
05:31:01 <thelsdj> which makes sense in some ways if statistics show that not caring for people before that point doesn't cost more money in the long run (by people who get more sick and require hospitalization), obviously i don't agree with the practice, i'm more for preventive medicine, but i'm sure they have good excuses
05:31:53 <xover> Oh sure.
05:32:43 <xover> The problem here is that when I finally get in to see the GP, he'll listen to my symptoms, presrcibe me a week-long course of broad-spectrum antibiotics, and tell me to call back in a week if it doesn't help.
05:33:06 <xover> If it turns out what I have is viral and not bacterial, I'll be right back here in a week.
05:33:42 <xover> If I can get an appointment then he may order some bloodwork, for which we'll get teh results after another week (same procedure...).
05:34:26 <xover> At which point I may get whatever drug is relevant, or I may get sent over to the hospital for further examination.
05:35:33 <xover> It shouldn't be a Project™ to get a course of broad-spectrum antibiotics; it's the moral equivalent of “Take two aspirin and call me if you don't feel better in the morning”.
05:41:58 <xover> Actually, let me sum the above rant into a single sentence: I'm really fucking tired of pissing out of my ass and having a fever for a week and a half!
05:42:18 <thelsdj> yea that makes a lot of sense
05:43:25 <xover> heh. Side-effects of antibiotics: Gastrointestinal upset and diarrhea
05:47:30 <thelsdj> so you actually got the antibiotics?
05:47:41 <xover> heh heh
05:48:38 <xover> Oh great, called the GP up on the dot when they opened, and the line is busy.
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06:16:05 <Arnia> Morning all
06:21:30 <xover> Why? What have you heard?
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07:47:50 <xover> .weather Tromsø
07:48:05 <phenny> Cloudy, 4℃, 1012mb, Light Rain, Gentle breeze 4m/s (8kt) (↑) - ENTC, 10:20, 0820Z
07:57:26 <sbp> yo
07:57:27 <phenny> sbp: 08 May 23:18Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/5335802.stm
07:57:28 <phenny> sbp: 00:26Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2008/03/04/8014284.aspx
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08:26:06 <Arnia> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7390607.stm
08:26:07 <phenny> Arnia: BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Taser parties a growing US trend
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08:35:18 <nsh> .gs everything i want to do is *
08:35:19 <phenny> everything i want to do is *: illegal (68), ilegal (2), done (2)
08:35:57 <nsh> [[[
08:36:04 <nsh> Everything I want to do is illegal. As if a highly bureaucratic regulatory system was not already in place, 9/11 fueled renewed acceleration to eliminate freedom from the countryside. Every time a letter arrives in the mail from a federal or state agriculture department my heart jumps like I just got sent to the principal’s office.
08:36:06 <nsh> And it doesn’t stop with agriculture bureaucrats. It includes all sorts of government agencies, from zoning, to taxing, to food inspectors. These agencies are the ultimate extension of a disconnected, Greco-Roman, Western, egocentric, compartmentalized, reductionist, fragmented, linear thought process.
08:36:08 <nsh> ]]]
08:36:22 <nsh> - http://www.mindfully.org/Farm/2003/Everything-Is-Illegal1esp03.htm
08:39:30 <nsh> good god i hate beansprouts. they can ruin a perfectly good meal like no other vegetable
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08:40:56 <Monty> hi xjrn_, how ya doing?
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08:46:43 * Arnia eats nsh
08:47:29 * nsh leaves incriminating metabolites in Arnia's lipids
08:47:52 <nsh> how's ting?
08:47:53 * Arnia buys some diet pills from Adipose Industries
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08:48:30 <Arnia> nsh: I've decided that gluing papers together from existing parts one's written is as hard as writing from scratch
08:48:49 <nsh> i can imagine
08:49:13 <Arnia> Lots of notes and I'm trying to rearrange the paragraphs to make a half-decent paper
08:49:30 <nsh> vot ist title?
08:49:38 <Arnia> "A Web of Active Information"
08:50:10 <nsh> cool
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08:50:40 <Arnia> My argument is that information changes other information, and that to account for this fact and conflict between information sources one must explicitly model it
08:50:41 <aspect> .gs everything I want to * is illegal
08:50:42 <phenny> everything I want to * is illegal: do (98)
08:51:24 <Arnia> I propose six 'slogans' (pithy phrases which express the core philosophy of the project) for the Active Web, and a model for the information systems on it
08:51:48 <nsh> by explicitly do you mean formally?
08:52:17 <Arnia> Depends how you mean formally
08:52:18 <nsh> (of course you mean explicitly, but help me out here)
08:52:23 <nsh> good point
08:52:52 <nsh> in the sense of a formal axiomatic system
08:53:04 <Arnia> I'm planning on trying to use category theory as part of the modelling, and also non-axiomatic logic... but it is all open
08:53:23 <Arnia> I'm not commiting to one modelling formalism
08:53:36 <nsh> cool
08:54:17 <Arnia> (yet, at least... of course I will commit to some formalism each time I express a model but they needn't be the same one unless it makes sense to use it)
08:55:07 <nsh> mm
08:55:45 <Arnia> Models are just narratives, and you can tell the same narrative in many different ways to highlight different points
08:56:01 <Arnia> (don't worry, I'm not going to fall into the map-territory trap)
08:56:30 * nsh muses
08:57:16 <nsh> .gc "teleological attractor"
08:57:17 <phenny> "teleological attractor": 257
08:57:23 <sbp> botanic taxonomy is chucklesome
08:57:38 <sbp> [[[
08:57:45 <sbp> One recent classification recognised 297 species of clematis. Unsurprisingly, therefore, modern taxonomists subdivide the genus. Magnus Johnson divided Clematis into 19 sections, several with subsections; Christopher Grey-Wilson divided the genus into 9 subgenera, several with sections and subsections within them.
08:57:50 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clematis
08:58:48 <nsh> .wik Cliff Pickover
08:58:48 <phenny> "Clifford A. Pickover is an author, editor, and columnist in the fields of science, mathematics, and science fiction." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Pickover
08:58:56 <nsh> hmm, trying to remember what i've read of his
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09:02:52 <nsh> toxonomy is the brain hurt
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09:03:04 <Arnia> sbp: yet another piece of evidence for why classical classification theories are inadequate for representing human knowledge
09:03:05 <nsh> rofl
09:03:07 <nsh> "String theory will become its own discipline, even if it is wrong, independent of both physics and mathematics"
09:03:14 <nsh> ( http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0805.0543 )
09:03:16 <sbp> ahahaha
09:03:22 <sbp> Arnia: yeah
09:03:42 <sbp> cf. my What Planet post about citruses
09:03:44 <Arnia> nsh: to be honest, it probably will. The ideas are interesting for their own sake, and I'm sure they will find other applications. It isn't wasted effort
09:03:47 <sbp> .g what planet citruses
09:03:49 <phenny> sbp: http://inamidst.com/notes/citruses
09:03:52 <nsh> i suppose you could incorporate it into french narative theory
09:04:07 <nsh> Arnia: i know; it's still funny though :-)
09:04:16 <Arnia> nsh: yeah :)
09:04:17 <nsh> but
09:04:22 <nsh> independent of mathematics?
09:04:26 <nsh> i'm not sure how to grok that
09:04:34 <Arnia> nsh: hm. Probably note independent of maths
09:04:36 <Arnia> -e
09:04:39 <sbp> or neoecofeminism
09:04:51 <nsh> NOEEEEKOFEMINISTS!
09:04:58 <Arnia> I misread that as neoCOfeminism
09:05:10 <Arnia> I was wondering what you could do which was new with feminists
09:05:16 <sbp> neoëcofeminism
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09:08:40 <Arnia> nsh: hm, interesting that this paper is classified as 'popular physics'
09:09:02 <Arnia> nsh: I'd say it was more a piece of philosophy of physics
09:10:21 <nsh> cofeminism sounds interesting
09:10:24 * nsh checks the paper
09:10:56 <Arnia> Just in terms of abstract and title
09:11:02 <Arnia> Haven't time to read it right now
09:11:08 <nsh> aye
09:11:17 <nsh> i'm always surprised at how much people in the academic community underestimate the echo-chamber effect
09:11:20 * Arnia is hitting his head against the paper he is writing atm
09:11:35 <nsh> when speaking about apparant-consensus in their fields
09:11:45 <Arnia> nsh: they don't; they just rely upon it and don't want others to realise
09:12:02 <nsh> good point
09:12:02 <Monty> seems like it not working, and what she ran off
09:12:09 <Arnia> nsh: remember, the surest way to become an expert is to create a new field
09:12:22 <nsh> aye..
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09:12:59 <nsh> non-simple self-identity of scientific participants is the only solution
09:13:07 <nsh> like, a generalisation of
09:13:14 <nsh> that french "mathematician"
09:13:33 <nsh> Bourbaki, that's it
09:14:03 <nsh> but, i don't know, probably too complicated to be implementable
09:14:18 <MoiraA> hi
09:14:25 <Arnia> nsh: one of many reasons I call myself a natural philosopher is to make clear that my interests are not in any one field of the application of thought to the understanding of the world, but to all the myriad subdisciplines of that approach
09:14:39 <MoiraA> Arnia: ever watch mastermind? the ones who did best were those who chose a very narrow subject
09:14:50 * nsh smiles
09:14:57 <nsh> nature isn't mastermind though :-)
09:14:57 <MoiraA> ie knew everything about nothing so there was nothing they didnt know
09:15:07 <MoiraA> nature is better than mastermind
09:15:11 <nsh> nature doesn't ask us questions
09:15:13 <MoiraA> think of the golden circle
09:15:13 <nsh> we ask her
09:15:14 <Monty> oooh, dicecollector.com has redesigned his site.
09:15:18 <MoiraA> circle
09:15:20 <MoiraA> ratio
09:15:24 <Arnia> MoiraA: yes. but I'm more interested in attempting to understand the world
09:15:26 <MoiraA> I see that and I ask
09:15:31 <nsh> and often she holds our lines of questioning to be contemptuous
09:15:38 <MoiraA> very true
09:15:56 <MoiraA> Arnia: the world is too much to understand
09:16:08 <MoiraA> I find people hard enough, never mind the entire world
09:16:13 <Arnia> MoiraA: I said 'attempting'
09:16:20 <Arnia> It is the attempt which is fun
09:16:20 <MoiraA> best of british :)
09:16:37 <Arnia> Success is immaterial really to the fun of the chase
09:16:37 <MoiraA> wonder if my expenses from last week have gone in tonight
09:16:41 * MoiraA looks
09:16:47 <MoiraA> again yes
09:16:54 <MoiraA> success is often disappointment
09:16:58 <MoiraA> because the chase has ended
09:17:42 <Arnia> If I succeed in understanding something well enough for my purposes, and in communicating this to others, I just pick something else to throw myself towards
09:22:52 <Arnia> I have an odd attitude towards such things though... I'd prefer to publish in many fields than become a dry expert in just one.
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09:30:02 <nsh> [[[ "I've been to everyone's Avon-type tupperware-style parties, purse parties, clothing parties, boutique parties and I felt like why not have a self-defence party? Why not have a Taser party, because without self-defence you won't have any of the other stuff." ]]] --http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7390607.stm
09:30:21 <Arnia> nsh: yeah... that article is quite scary
09:30:34 <nsh> god-damn some people have too much (a) time, (b) money, and (c) stupid on their hands, brain
09:30:54 <Arnia> But you can get them in soft pink!
09:31:02 <nsh> fair play
09:31:23 <Arnia> Who wouldn't want a soft pink taser and a leopard-print purse for it
09:31:31 <nsh> nothing i like better than sitting in a room with some middle-american bimbos and listening to "disturbing statistics"
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09:49:20 <_bjoern> .title http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/14675
09:49:21 <phenny> _bjoern: mental_floss Blog » Is IKEA the World’s Largest Charity?
09:51:19 <sbp> nsh, Arnia: I read a counterpoint to this on BBC News somewhere recently
09:51:25 <sbp> but I think it was in magazine. can't find it now
09:51:25 <Arnia> hm?
09:52:16 <sbp> oh, found it
09:52:17 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7359513.stm
09:52:21 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Programmes | From Our Own Correspondent | America's 'safety catch'
09:52:22 <sbp> check that out. pretty interesting
09:53:09 <sbp> it's a note about how America is quite safe compared to Britain, even in the face of events such as the following:
09:53:10 <sbp> [[[
09:53:11 <sbp> Last month Mr Long decided to install a satellite television system in his Deepwater home. His efforts to make a hole in the outside wall came to nothing because Mr Long did not possess a drill.
09:53:11 <sbp> But he did have a .22 calibre gun.
09:53:11 <sbp> He fired two shots from the inside of the bedroom.
09:53:12 <sbp> The second killed his wife who was standing outside.
09:53:14 <sbp> He will face no charges. The police accept it was an accident.
09:53:16 <sbp> ]]]
09:53:26 <sbp> file it under C for Contentious
09:54:37 <sbp> “One reason - perhaps the overriding reason - is that there is no public drunkenness in polite America, simply none.” - is there any public drunkenness in polite Britain either? that's kinda the point. it just depends how big the polite regions are, doesn't it...
09:55:10 <Arnia> Depends how you define polite too
09:55:18 <sbp> mmm
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10:09:57 <nsh> wow
10:10:13 <nsh> (at shooting wife through wall to drill hole for satellite dish story)
10:15:09 <nsh> .ety seminar
10:15:10 <phenny> "1887, from Ger. Seminar 'group of students working with a professor,' from L. seminarium 'breeding ground, plant nursery' (see seminary)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=seminar
10:16:51 <nsh> .ety lament
10:16:52 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "lament". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=lament
10:16:54 <nsh> .ety lamentation
10:16:55 <phenny> "1375, from L. lamentationem (nom. lamentatio) 'wailing, moaning, weeping,' from lamentatus, pp. of lamentari, from lamentum 'a wailing,' from PIE base *la- 'to shout, cry,' probably ultimately imitative." - http://etymonline.com/?term=lamentation
10:17:11 <nsh> you're probably ultimately imitative
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10:24:12 <Arnia> Hm. Working out the time complexity of randomised algorithms is a bit weird
10:24:38 <Arnia> I keep losing track of the conditionals on my random variables' probability distributions
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10:29:02 <_bjoern> typo of the day is "http:(("
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10:38:29 <saml> do you use docutils?
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10:44:59 <sbp> yay, the essays are over 30,000 words
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10:47:04 <nsh> mmm, limeapocalyse
10:47:12 <sbp> hehe
10:47:22 <sbp> (OLM)
10:48:11 <nsh> .gc preferon
10:48:12 <phenny> preferon: 26,400
10:48:16 <nsh> damn
10:48:32 <nsh> intensive scar management product
10:48:42 <nsh> BREAKTHROUGH IN SCAR MANAGEMENT!!
10:49:55 <nsh> i had a similar, though less commercially viable, breakthrough at age 11, when i realised that chicks dig scars
10:51:03 <nsh> http://samorost2.net/plantage/plantage.swf purdy
10:51:33 <nsh> oh, has sound too
10:52:27 <_bjoern> .gcs "federation warbird" "federation bird of prey" "federation cube" "starfleet warbird" "starfleet bird of prey" "starfleet cube"
10:52:30 <phenny> "federation warbird" (256), "federation cube" (100), "federation bird of prey" (87), "starfleet bird of prey" (3), "starfleet warbird" (1), "starfleet cube" (0)
10:53:09 <saml> which tool should I use to combine multiple html documents? to generate table of contents, navigation bar..etc?
10:53:22 <nslater> what do you mean combine?
10:53:43 <nsh> for navigation
10:53:44 <saml> yes but i want the pages to be separate. otherwise, the entire document becomes huge
10:53:45 <Morbus> sbp!
10:53:51 <Morbus> NP: 'Poor Unfortunate Souls (The Little Mermaid)' from Various Artists's album 'Classic Disney: 60 Years Of Musical Magic'; Rating: 5/5; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000055XD7/disobeycom/
10:53:52 <Morbus> \o/
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10:57:11 <MoiraA> hi morbus
10:57:17 <Morbus> g;day.
11:01:04 * nsh tries to understand http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3fs8i/hist/histwiki.html
11:01:23 <nsh> i guess they added the wiki links later
11:01:31 <nsh> as the copyright is '95-'97
11:01:36 <nsh> *6-7
11:02:48 <MoiraA> hi nsh
11:02:51 <MoiraA> help me here
11:03:01 <MoiraA> what is the word for - ah
11:03:01 <nsh> what's up, MoiraA ?
11:03:05 <MoiraA> concatonate
11:03:08 <nsh> concatenate
11:03:12 <nsh> put things together?
11:03:19 <MoiraA> oh no
11:03:21 <MoiraA> the opposite
11:03:23 <MoiraA> shorten
11:03:29 <nsh> abbreviate?
11:03:30 <nsh> condense?
11:03:33 <MoiraA> sort of
11:03:38 <nsh> mmm
11:03:41 <nsh> i know what you mean
11:03:46 <nsh> but you've jinxed me
11:03:47 <MoiraA> like when a string holds say 10 chars and some have to be ditche
11:03:54 <MoiraA> well try this
11:04:01 <MoiraA> what command would gline a whole server
11:04:05 <nsh> truncate
11:04:10 <nsh> .gd truncate
11:04:10 <phenny> truncate: DDL command that removes all data from a table. One cannot ROLLBACK after executing a TRUNCATE statment. Also see Delete.
11:04:10 <MoiraA> *!* - yay
11:04:18 <nsh> :-)
11:04:22 <nsh> (stupid google)
11:04:57 <nsh> http://www.bugman123.com/Math/Math.html more purdy
11:04:58 <MoiraA> *!*name*@*
11:05:06 <MoiraA> what goes in the middle
11:05:16 <MoiraA> to gline everyone
11:06:16 <MoiraA> this is soooo annoying me
11:06:23 <sbp> Poor Unfortunate Souls: hehe
11:06:23 <nsh> *!*@* will match *every* hostmask. you probably don't want that though
11:06:39 <MoiraA> I remember being warned not to be so stupid as to do it when I was an ircop on holics
11:06:55 <MoiraA> that might even be it
11:07:17 <MoiraA> though gus would have had some way of recovering things, he knew how useless I was
11:07:32 <sbp> histwiki: how Americentric can you get?
11:08:00 <nsh> yeah mang
11:08:14 <nsh> http://math-art.net/2007/12/09/imploding-flower/ WANT
11:08:37 <sbp> as if Watergate is one of the top 20 moments in the history of mankind
11:08:58 <sbp> as if it's even in the top 20 of the 20th century
11:09:50 <nsh> these kind of things always tell more about the describer than the described
11:09:50 <MoiraA> you have to be joking!
11:10:01 <nsh> or summariser/summarised
11:10:10 <MoiraA> Watergate! the top 20 moments of 100 years and they include that?!?
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11:10:24 <MoiraA> history of mankind even
11:10:29 <sbp> MoiraA: worse, it's the top (roughly) 20 moments of all human history
11:10:29 <sbp> yeah
11:10:31 <MoiraA> oh now I've heard it all
11:10:43 <MoiraA> what about the first heart transplant? landingon the moon?
11:10:49 <MoiraA> climbing everest
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11:11:10 <sbp> .gc "parametric breather surface"
11:11:11 <MoiraA> frankly, what other people do with their sex lives or power struggles leaves me cold
11:11:11 <phenny> "parametric breather surface": 14
11:11:16 <sbp> the moon landings are on there
11:11:31 <nsh> the cosmic ray that made four-leaf clovers less likely than three-leaf ones..
11:11:34 <MoiraA> well, all 17 outstrip watergate
11:11:38 <MoiraA> yeah, or Dolly
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11:11:40 <Monty> Thank goodness, kpreid is back!
11:11:47 <MoiraA> yeah thank goodness
11:11:55 <MoiraA> don't know how we'd have managed much longer
11:12:16 <sbp> MoiraA: “Such bickerings to recount, met often in these our writers, what more worth is it than to chronicle the wars of kites or crows flocking and fighting in the air?” — Milton in his History of Britain, on the Saxons
11:12:36 <sbp> <nsh> the cosmic ray that made four-leaf clovers less likely than three-leaf ones..
11:12:37 <sbp> - hehe
11:12:42 <nsh> Milton++
11:13:33 <MoiraA> that's a nice snippit sbp
11:14:16 <sbp> Milton's popularity has waned over the last century or so, I think. fuck knows why
11:14:40 <nsh> them's jus' hatahs mang
11:14:46 <sbp> yeah, must be
11:14:49 <nsh> he too real fo
11:15:00 <nsh> ..them
11:16:04 <nsh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h-RhyopUmc pretty cool
11:17:12 <nsh> *upgrades to very cool*
11:18:22 <MoiraA> ok got to go shopping, town first
11:18:33 <MoiraA> getting a taxi into town and back, I really miss the car
11:18:40 <MoiraA> and can't abide public transport
11:18:48 <MoiraA> I either walk or take a taxi
11:19:59 <nsh> also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_FzLya8y4&feature=related
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11:26:32 <nsh> oh man
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11:39:37 <sbp> heh, I just saw a packet of Silk Cut, for the first time in yearsandyears
11:39:39 <sbp> cf. http://inamidst.com/whits/2008/pretty
11:39:59 <sbp> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h-RhyopUmc
11:40:00 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - reactable: basic demo #1
11:40:08 <sbp> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_FzLya8y4
11:40:08 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - Reactable live in Berlin
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11:42:47 <sbp> dude, awesome
11:42:49 <sbp> .title http://www.britishclematis.org.uk/
11:42:50 <phenny> sbp: British Clematis Society Web Site
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11:53:41 <sbp> there doesn't seem to be any site which helps you to identify the specific kind of clematis
11:54:45 <sbp> .gcs cultivar cultivars
11:54:46 <phenny> cultivar (7,250,000), cultivars (2,830,000)
11:54:54 <sbp> .gd cultivar
11:54:54 <phenny> cultivar: Cultivated variety of plants
11:56:52 <sbp> hmm: http://faq.gardenweb.com/faq/lists/clematis/2002091814008238.html
11:56:55 <sbp> .title
11:56:56 <phenny> sbp: What type/kind of clematis do I have? Identification tips -
11:57:17 <clsn> My neighbor might be able to tell you.
11:57:25 <clsn> But that doesn't help you any
11:58:37 <sbp> well it says: “See the FAQ entitled 'Clematis Types and Groups'.”
11:58:47 <sbp> but there doesn't appear to be such an FAQ. it may be somewhat handy
12:01:28 <sbp> http://www.britishclematis.org.uk/journals2.htm - heh
12:06:11 <kpreid> sbp: reactable: whoa
12:06:21 <kpreid> very slick
12:09:43 <sbp> via nsh really, but damn yeah!
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12:12:34 <sbp> http://reactable.iua.upf.edu/
12:12:49 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReacTable
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12:14:58 <sbp> .gd filbert
12:14:58 <phenny> filbert: This nut is also known as the "hazelnut" or "cobnut." Used whole, chopped, and ground in baking, candies, desserts, and salads.
12:15:29 <sbp> when was the apricot introduced to England?
12:16:00 <sbp> heh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2005apricot.PNG
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12:16:39 <sbp> “Figs were introduced into England some time between 1525 and 1548.”
12:16:48 <sbp> apricots in the reign of Henry VIII, says Google
12:17:17 <sbp> “King Henry VIII's gardener imported them to England in the 1500's and grew them in protected walled gardens.”
12:17:19 <kpreid> .gc "the apricot kng"
12:17:20 <phenny> "the apricot kng": 0
12:17:22 <kpreid> .gc "the apricot king"
12:17:23 <phenny> "the apricot king": 26
12:17:28 <sbp> heh
12:17:44 <sbp> (- http://www.foodland.gov.on.ca/facts/apricots.htm)
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12:19:35 <sbp> “The fruit was introduced into England from Italy in 1542 by Jean Le Loup, Henry VIII's gardener, and so probably the Italian form *albercocco* is the immediate source of the earliest English version of the word, *abrecock*.” - The Glutton's Glossary, John Ayto, p.8
12:19:43 <sbp> .ety apricot
12:19:43 <phenny> "1551, abrecock, from Catalan abercoc, related to Port. albricoque, from Arabic al-birquq, through Byzantine Gk. berikokkia from L. (malum) præcoquum 'early-ripening (fruit)' (see precocious)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=apricot
12:21:14 <sbp> [[[
12:21:15 <sbp> Gough, in his British Topography, states that
12:21:15 <sbp> the apricot tree was first brought to England, in
12:21:15 <sbp> 1524, by Woolf, the gardener to Henry VIII.
12:21:15 <sbp> Gerard had two varieties in his garden.
12:21:25 <sbp> ]]] - A History of the Vegetable Kingdom, Rhind
12:21:56 <sbp> cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gerard
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12:33:05 <sbp> hmm, so I guess there was no mention of apricots before 1551
12:33:22 <sbp> nobody in England mentioned the apricot before that date, I mean
12:33:36 <sbp> unless they did so periphrastically
12:33:56 <clsn> What puts the ape in apricot?
12:34:13 <Morbus> i put the demon in codemonkey
12:34:29 <clsn> You can't have manslaughter without laughter.
12:34:53 <sbp> there is no ape in apricot
12:35:20 <clsn> I think I usually pronounce it without an ape also.
12:35:24 <clsn> But it's the line from the song.
12:35:41 <clsn> .gs what puts the * in apricot
12:35:42 <phenny> what puts the * in apricot: ape (85), 'ape' (4)
12:35:48 <sbp> aha
12:35:52 <sbp> stupid song
12:36:03 <clsn> From Wizard of Oz.
12:36:12 <Morbus> who put the bast in alabaster?
12:36:34 <sbp> or the cunt in Scunthorpe, as the old British joke goes
12:36:40 <clsn> Yes, I've heard that one.
12:36:50 <sbp> (pronounced: skun-thorp)
12:36:50 <clsn> Harder to do here, since nobody's heard of Scunthorpe.
12:36:56 <sbp> mmm
12:37:05 <clsn> I know I have no idea where it is, beyond "somewhere in britain"
12:37:21 <clsn> Or the ass in password, but ass is too easy to find.
12:37:38 <clsn> (you just can't get away from ass. Isn't that one of the sad truths about existence)
12:37:43 <sbp> the SWORD in password
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12:47:02 <Monty> yo nslater!
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13:02:31 <Monty> hi mahound
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13:20:03 <sbp> Happy Europe Day 2, everybody
13:25:24 <pwaring> europe day?
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13:45:50 <sbp> .wik Europe Day
13:45:51 <phenny> "A number of symbols of Europe have emerged throughout history, but the largest contribution came when the Council of Europe (COE) developed a series of symbols for the continent of Europe." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe_Day
13:46:00 <sbp> this is the second Europe Day of the year
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13:52:15 <pwaring> oh
13:52:20 * pwaring doesn't think of himself as european
13:52:41 <pwaring> I don't recall Europe Day ever being 'celebrated' over here
13:56:05 <Morbus> sbp: ping.
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14:28:21 <timonator> hi there. why does my phenny bot not connect to freenode? i set the server to irc.freenode.net. upon start it prints: "Connecting to irc.freenode.net:6667... connected!", then "Closed!" and then "Warning: Disconnected. Reconnecting in 20 seconds...".
14:37:15 <xover> Did you remember to pay the shareware fee?
14:38:25 <timonator> oh, no, i'll do that right now
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15:05:48 <saml> what's the point of twitter? it doesnt' let me search
15:07:10 <xover> .gc "what's the point of twitter"
15:07:12 <phenny> "what's the point of twitter": 720
15:07:20 <xover> .gs what's the point of *
15:07:21 <phenny> what's the point of *: warglaives (6), voting (4), reciprocal (4), pubic (4), deferwindowpos (4), twitter (3), shiftlinux (3), powerpoint (3), perfumed (3), detoxing (3)
15:07:36 <xover> .gs what's the point of pubic *
15:07:37 <phenny> what's the point of pubic *: hair (24)
15:08:11 <xover> .g "what's the point of pubic hair"
15:08:12 <phenny> xover: http://digg.com/general_sciences/What_s_the_point_of_pubic_hair
15:13:43 <_bjoern> .gs darf ich dich mal *
15:13:44 <phenny> darf ich dich mal *: was (4), fragen wie lange (3), fragen (2)
15:13:52 <_bjoern> .gs darf ich dich mal was *
15:14:01 <phenny> darf ich dich mal was *: fragen (55), persönliches (4)
15:14:16 <_bjoern> .gs darf ich dir mal was *
15:14:19 <phenny> darf ich dir mal was *: sagen (19), verraten (3), ins ohr flüstern (3), flüstern (2), erzählen (2)
15:14:25 <_bjoern> .gs darf ich dir mal *
15:14:37 <_bjoern> .gs darf ich dir mal in *
15:14:41 <phenny> darf ich dir mal *: meine (5), sagen (4), widersprechen (2), sagen einige (2), meinen (2), einen tipp geben (2), eine (2), ein (2), 24 dusselige (2)
15:14:49 <phenny> darf ich dir mal in *: No results!
15:14:58 <_bjoern> .gc "darf ich dir mal in"
15:14:58 <Monty> encorparate: 571
15:15:06 <_bjoern> shupfoo Monty
15:15:07 <Monty> ie knew how
15:15:13 <phenny> "darf ich dir mal in": 3
15:15:15 <_bjoern> good
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15:16:40 <saml> .gs heart of *
15:16:48 <phenny> heart of *: darkness (18), osiris (7), hawick (7), wisdom (5), wildwood (4), the (4), gisborne (4), whiteness (3), walton (3), wales (3), mersey (3), destiny (3)
15:17:00 <xover> No Gold?
15:17:03 <_bjoern> .gs I got what you *
15:17:04 <phenny> I got what you *: need (22), want (9), meant (8), lack (3), wrote (2), wanted (2), want - song - mp3 (2), shock choc1 (2), said (2), ordered (2), on (2), neeeed (2)
15:17:30 <saml> how does gs work? does it generate random words to replace * and query many times to get counts?
15:17:59 <_bjoern> .g Demon Gun Shot
15:18:10 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBpFFHvP184
15:18:17 <sbp> Morbus: more left padding on the headers?
15:19:12 <sbp> pwaring: that's not exactly the point. the point is that there are two of them, for bureaucratic reasons, so it's the epitome of all that is european in a delightful way; and therefore one which I, prescriptively, think we *ought* to celebrate
15:19:24 <sbp> which is why I celebrate it
15:19:58 <_bjoern> .gc "The grinding teeth of incandescence"
15:20:19 <phenny> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'read' (file "/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/web.py", line 15, in http_error_default)
15:20:25 <_bjoern> .gc "The grinding teeth of incandescence"
15:20:26 <phenny> "The grinding teeth of incandescence": 35
15:21:12 <Morbus> sbp: increased from 5 to 7.
15:22:33 <Morbus> sbp: which flushes it to the author.
15:23:51 <_bjoern> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHRwTbdWhCc is great
15:24:16 <Morbus> _bjoern: i have the first four dvds of this series. didn't like it at all.
15:24:20 <Morbus> they're in my throwaway pile.
15:24:45 <_bjoern> I never saw it until the clip above, I just have the music, which I find very great
15:25:29 <Morbus> "and thats how you convert people to Christianity kids :P"
15:25:32 <Morbus> hahah. (comment)
15:33:03 <Morbus> anyone happen to know the default colors for links (active/visited)?
15:34:08 <_bjoern> unvisited is 0 0 255, visited is 128 0 128 in IE
15:34:20 <_bjoern> active would be 255 0 0 I think.
15:34:22 <Morbus> which is 00f and ... /me roots around.
15:34:43 <xover> .c 128 in hexadecimal
15:34:43 <phenny> 128 = 0x80
15:35:26 <Morbus> nevermind.
15:36:04 <Morbus> thanks :)
15:37:14 <_bjoern> You're welcome!
15:38:24 <sbp> Morbus: main heading needs more left too
15:38:40 <Morbus> i think tht's just cos of the g.
15:38:44 <Morbus> look on disobey.com. it's the same
15:38:44 <sbp> I'd say the post headings should still go over a bit, making the author and body and headings lined too
15:39:07 <xover> It needs more boobies.
15:39:08 <sbp> the g: yeah. but it's still a Fact
15:46:26 <Morbus> i've moved it over 4 pixels.
15:46:32 <Morbus> it better look good on disobey.com too, otherwise, i blame you.
15:46:44 <Morbus> (no, i don't want this to be different in multiple themes.)
15:46:50 <sbp> it will look sweeter than candysex
15:47:00 <xover> .gc candysex
15:47:01 <phenny> candysex: 58,200
15:47:04 <xover> .g candysex
15:47:04 <phenny> xover: http://www.candysex.dk/
15:47:13 <xover> .title
15:47:14 <Morbus> hahah
15:47:14 <phenny> xover: Candysex
15:47:19 <xover> Uhm.
15:47:21 <Morbus> beastiality ;)
15:47:25 <xover> I don't advice following that link.
15:47:26 <sbp> mmhmm
15:47:28 <sbp> Monkeys
15:48:09 <chandler> and here I thought it was a group of adult Candyland enthusiasts and was getting all set to click
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15:57:47 <sbp> phenny: tell nsh wow, read http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aromaticity&oldid=211089924#History from paragraph five (“In fact, this concept can be traced further back”) onwards. awesome
15:57:47 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nsh is around.
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16:10:07 <sbp> Morbus: “Renaissance-style artwork caught my attention and the title sealed the deal. I noticed that the last time it had been checked out had been in 1980, and couldn’t understand why.” - http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/
16:10:14 <sbp> I find that all the damn time, with the best books
16:10:24 <sbp> nobody gets them out. nobody's heard of them. nobody cares
16:14:13 <bancus> Upgraders-to-Leopard: Does it manage better with stealing your fucking HD space the longer your machine is on?
16:14:24 <bancus> I'm fucking tired of having to reboot all the time to regain my HD space.
16:14:24 <Monty> potty mouth!
16:14:25 <xover> Somewhat.
16:14:26 <sbp> phenny: tell Arnia http://manbabies.com/
16:14:26 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
16:14:41 <bancus> Parallels in particular seems to steal more than anything else.
16:14:43 <kpreid> bancus: are you sure that isn't just some particularly leaky app?
16:14:53 <bancus> kpreid: If I quit the app, the OS should release the space.
16:14:56 <kpreid> yes
16:15:01 <kpreid> in my 10.4 experience it does
16:15:08 <bancus> The fact that it does not, is an OS problem.
16:15:11 <bancus> It does not for me.
16:15:13 <xover> Not the swap files on disk.
16:15:21 <kpreid> xover: yes they do!
16:15:32 <kpreid> xover: I can see the available disk space increase
16:15:34 <bancus> It can easily suck up 4GB of my HD and not give anything back until I reboot.
16:15:38 <bancus> It doesn't for me.
16:15:40 <xover> My experience was that they only ever grow, never shrink.
16:15:51 <kpreid> maybe it's because I have little free space...
16:16:27 <bancus> I have very little free space.
16:16:29 <bancus> That's my problem.
16:17:08 <bancus> My free space dips below 512MB and Parallels pauses itself.
16:17:32 <bancus> And I can quit Parallels, and get exactly 512MB back, which I think is the file it creates for the VM RAM.
16:17:39 <bancus> But the 4GB stays locked up.
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16:18:21 <sbp> deltab: Simpsons
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16:19:51 <jsled> <http://oddmonster.livejournal.com/15520.html> any helpful advise for my finacée?
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16:21:11 <bancus> So does Leopard manage that shit better?
16:21:24 <xover> In my experience, yes.
16:34:08 <xover> jsled: I recommend a nice large dish of spaghetti, in three layers, with plentifull amounts of a mild cheese between each layer (no sauce or ketchup or meat etc). Let it sit for fifteen seconds and then toss it like a salad before eating.
16:42:16 <thelsdj> i recommend cheese microwaved on toast, with a liberal sprinkling of Spike
16:44:41 <thelsdj> yummy breakfast: http://flickr.com/photos/thelsdj/2478050529/
16:45:23 <_bjoern> hmm food
16:45:26 <_bjoern> I remember food
16:45:30 <sbp> you're such a turn-off
16:45:32 <_bjoern> back from the old days
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16:47:17 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7391776.stm
16:47:18 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | UK | New guide to 'irritating' England
16:47:19 <sbp> - pretty funny
16:47:42 <_bjoern> but why would anyone want to irritate england?
16:47:43 <sbp> aww: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/sci_nat_enl_1210247951/img/1.jpg
16:47:50 <sbp> _bjoern: why not?
16:48:18 <_bjoern> Consider how irritated england is already?
16:50:28 <xover> Offer them a fruit tea.
16:51:58 <sbp> .title http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/fashion/08PUNK.html
16:52:00 <phenny> sbp: The New York Times > Log In
16:52:08 <sbp> fruit tea?! BAD XOVER
16:52:25 <_bjoern> phenny, "El viernes hubo una auténtica conmoción en Ciudad Alfaro, a raíz de la propuesta de la asambleísta María Soledad Vela de Acuerdo País, que según quienes comentaban la misma, la mujer que se sienta insatisfecha sexualmente, podía demandar a su esposo."?
16:52:27 <phenny> _bjoern: "friday was an authentic commotion in alfaro city, as a result of the proposal of the member of an assembly maria solitude candle in agreement country, that according to those who commented the same one, the woman who feels insatisfecha sexually, could demand its husband." (es)
16:53:02 <_bjoern> phenny, "Explicó la asambleísta manabita, que su planteamiento, busca integrar dentro de los derechos sexuales, que toda persona tiene derecho a relaciones, libres, responsables e informadas, sobre su vida sexual y sexualidad. "Ahí propuse incluir también el disfrute sexual, como parte de la vida sexual y la sexualidad", dijo."?
16:53:04 <phenny> _bjoern: "the manabita member of an assembly explained, who its exposition, looks for to integrate within the rights sexual, that all person has right to relations, free, responsible and informed, on its sexual life and sexuality. "there i proposed to also include the sexual benefit, like part of the sexual life and the sexuality", said." (es)
16:53:14 <nslater> sbp: those manbabies are really disturbing me
16:53:48 <_bjoern> most things are really disturbing you.
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17:09:11 <sbp> http://ejohn.org/apps/processing.js/examples/topics/animator.html is kinda addictive
17:09:30 <sbp> nslater: yeah, pretty awesome. via Graham Linehan
17:16:05 <sbp> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/07/starsgalaxiesandplanets.spaceexploration
17:16:06 <phenny> sbp: Closer encounter: Nasa plans landing on 40m-wide asteroid travelling at 28,000mph | Science | The Guardian
17:18:22 <sbp> http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/11/e-book-readers.html
17:18:29 <sbp> - not a particularly good roundup
17:26:06 <Arnia> It annoys me that there are no e-book readers which are quite right for me :/
17:26:06 <phenny> Arnia: 16:58Z <sbp> tell Arnia http://manbabies.com/
17:26:11 <Arnia> ...
17:26:15 <Arnia> Do I want to click?
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17:30:46 <Monty> howdy, Arnia_
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17:38:10 <sbp> click: yup
17:41:38 <MoiraA> hi
17:48:00 <Arnia> Good grief, that was illuminating
17:48:53 <Arnia> procto: there are two of you on LinkedIn. Or two people with your name at least :p
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18:20:24 <clsn> manbabies.com is disturbingly, weirdly, SFW.
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19:16:36 <sbp> deltab, Arnia, et al., HIGNFY!
19:17:46 <bancus> SHITRUDE
19:17:48 <bancus> .gc shitrude
19:17:49 <phenny> shitrude: 165
19:19:08 <thelsdj> we need some new shitrude images
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19:27:51 <_bjoern> It seems weird to me that one would make something like "IsEmpty" an attribute rather than a method.
19:28:06 <bancus> Why is that?
19:28:12 <_bjoern> I am wondering that.
19:28:24 <bancus> Seems to be an attribute to me.
19:28:28 <bancus> But, then again, I code Ruby.
19:28:35 <bancus> So there's no actual difference between the two.
19:36:14 <bancus> Although in ruby I'd probably name the method empty?
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19:46:11 <thelsdj> it doesn't 'do' anything, it doesn't take any parameters, seems like an attribute to me
19:46:18 <thelsdj> it just 'is'
19:49:11 <bancus> Good way of putting it.
19:49:20 <bancus> From a certain point of view, an attribute is just a method that takes no parameters.
19:55:07 <thelsdj> yea but i wouldn't use an attribute for a method that did something like built some new object that allocated memory or something heh
19:57:41 <bancus> Hm.
20:05:37 <thelsdj> its all in the name, you use attributes for information that is an attribute or a property of an object, you use method/function for something that does something with or as an object
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20:15:38 <_bjoern> .u a7
20:15:39 <phenny> _bjoern: Sorry, no results for 'a7'.
20:15:42 <_bjoern> .u 00a7
20:15:42 <phenny> U+00A7 SECTION SIGN (§)
20:15:52 <_bjoern> .u 3
20:15:52 <phenny> U+0033 DIGIT THREE (3)
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20:20:02 <sbp> thelsdj, bancus: I'd say it depends on whether the attribute was known or not
20:20:19 <sbp> does it require significant CPU or memory expenditure to calculate whether the object is empty or not?
20:20:24 <sbp> if it does, then I'd make it a method
20:20:27 <sbp> otherwise, an attribute
20:27:11 <_bjoern> .g relm
20:27:12 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.relm.com/
20:27:32 <thelsdj> LOL: http://www.fukung.net/v/119/how-to-catch-script-kiddies.gif
20:27:34 <_bjoern> they have a dealer locator
20:27:55 <_bjoern> "We see you're using Internet Explorer. Try Firefox, you'll like it better. Click the button on the right to download Firefox. It's free."
20:28:00 <_bjoern> there is no button on the right
20:29:51 <sbp> ahahaha
20:30:02 <sbp> at everything
20:30:15 <sbp> well, except relm
20:31:00 <_bjoern> the relm i was after is more like http://images.elfwood.com/fanq/m/e/metacreative2/relm_7_23_01.jpg
20:32:05 <_bjoern> oddly, google images gives http://www.flashbunny.net/img/goddess.jpg as #1 for goddess
20:33:09 <sbp> cf. http://www.flashbunny.com/goddess.htm
20:34:20 <_bjoern> it's the door on the right
20:34:45 <sbp> yeah
20:35:05 <sbp> this gets very odd very quickly
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20:35:28 <_bjoern> I kinda thought just picking some hair suffices
20:36:44 <sbp> :-)
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20:36:59 <sbp> I'm trying other games
20:37:23 <sbp> I'm customising my Plenda-Hoot
20:40:07 <_bjoern> "Dress up your bunny"
20:40:18 <_bjoern> (the Carrot Couture game)
20:41:15 <sbp> man, I didn't even find that door yet
20:41:36 <_bjoern> it's in the menu under dress up games
20:42:50 <_bjoern> hmm http://www.fukung.net/v/7443/aparowki.jpg
20:43:00 <sbp> still can't find it
20:43:14 <sbp> the man is hungry
20:43:14 <_bjoern> http://www.flashbunny.com/carrotcouture.htm
20:43:18 <sbp> hungry for some kind of sausage
20:43:21 <sbp> ôthx
20:43:29 <sbp> was looking on the Santa Fe site still
20:43:37 <sbp> i.e. http://www.santafehealingart.com/home.html
20:44:21 <_bjoern> my bunny dressed with a gold quill
20:45:13 <clsn> Oh I'm so there: http://www.gullibilityproject.com/
20:45:16 <sbp> I dressed mine up with mad accessories before I realised that I didn't like any of them
20:45:22 <sbp> and hence cleared them all
20:45:28 <clsn> It must be a really important and serious project.
20:45:29 <sbp> leaving some dress and hair bows
20:46:18 <sbp> “I am Sidney J. Levy, Ph.D. I am the Coca-Cola Distinguished Professor of Marketing at the Eller College of Management of the University of Arizona.”
20:46:26 <_bjoern> What I learned from this is that my fav dress is the undress.
20:46:46 <sbp> “After being retired at NU in 1992, I continued teaching parttime until 1997 when I became head of the marketing department at the University of Arizona, and did that for about 7 years.”
20:46:51 <sbp> retired at NU!
20:47:05 <_bjoern> nu
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20:47:46 <sbp> .ety couture
20:47:47 <phenny> "1908, from Fr., lit. 'dressmaking, sewing,' used as a collective term for 'women's fashion designers.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=couture
20:48:06 <_bjoern> .gcs "Zieh dich aus kleine Maus mach dich nackig" "Zieh mich aus kleine Maus mach mich nackig"
20:48:07 <phenny> "Zieh dich aus kleine Maus mach dich nackig" (440), "Zieh mich aus kleine Maus mach mich nackig" (4)
20:48:33 <sbp> what means that please
20:48:49 <sbp> phenny: "Zieh dich aus kleine Maus mach dich nackig"?
20:48:51 <phenny> sbp: "pull you from small mouse mach you nackig" (de)
20:48:57 <sbp> 'kberries
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20:49:05 <sbp> 22:31, I arr offs
20:49:07 <sbp> 'night!
20:49:52 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp it's german for "get naked plzkthx"
20:49:52 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
20:50:19 <cre8radix> re
20:51:07 <cre8radix> :D
20:51:37 <_bjoern> http://www.fukung.net/v/7346/2036971536_f18fe43c39.jpg
20:54:38 <cre8radix> _bjoern: http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9939999-16.html
20:54:42 <cre8radix> :P
20:55:31 <_bjoern> "Skype had considered appealing on the grounds that the GPL inhibits (???) free trade, but a few minutes of serious reflection must have caused the Skype attorneys to realize that would be one of the dumbest possible arguments to make against the GPL."
20:58:50 <cre8radix> "n the end, the court hinted twice that if it was to judge about the case, Skype would not have very high chances."
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21:00:46 <cre8radix> lol
21:01:02 <cre8radix> "(...) The lawyer representing Skype still continued to argue for a bit into that direction, which resulted one of the judges making up an interesting analogy of something like: "If a publisher wants to publish a book of an author that wants his book only to be published in a green envelope, then that might seem odd to you, but still you will have to do it as long as you want to publish the book and have no other agreement in place"."
21:01:32 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp http://www.fukung.net/v/744/TerrorMap.gif
21:01:33 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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21:29:02 <Monty> bah, it's tav_ again
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21:35:53 <_bjoern> .c 0xf0 in binary
21:35:54 <phenny> 0xf0 = 0b11110000
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21:42:15 <_bjoern> .u 0024
21:42:16 <phenny> U+0024 DOLLAR SIGN ($)
21:42:29 <_bjoern> .u 0135
21:42:29 <phenny> U+0135 LATIN SMALL LETTER J WITH CIRCUMFLEX (ĵ)
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21:47:56 <_bjoern> .u 0152
21:47:56 <phenny> U+0152 LATIN CAPITAL LIGATURE OE (Œ)
21:49:27 <_bjoern> .u 0144
21:49:27 <phenny> U+0144 LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH ACUTE (ń)
21:53:48 <_bjoern> .u 0151
21:53:49 <phenny> U+0151 LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DOUBLE ACUTE (ő)
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