00:12:26 <_bjoern> Hmm any clever way to write `x == 0 or (x & 0x10) != 0`, i.e., not repeating x?
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00:24:33 <kpreid> hm, you want all bits 0 or 0x10 and more...
00:25:11 <nsh> what's a single word that means something like "turn a bad situation to ones advantage"
00:25:11 <Monty> tried to client that article in Mandarin ch'a." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab_initio_quantum_chemistry_methods
00:25:25 <nsh> or overcome/prevail through cleverness in the face of adversity
00:27:01 <_bjoern> pwn
00:27:17 <kpreid> _bjoern: can't think of any
00:27:24 <_bjoern> yeah me either
00:27:26 <kpreid> there might be an arithmetical method, though
00:27:56 <kpreid> hm, do you have a rotate operator?
00:28:35 <_bjoern> This is javascript
00:28:51 <deltab> why not repeat x?
00:29:03 <_bjoern> Optimize for brevity.
00:29:09 <nsh> heh
00:29:14 <deltab> hah
00:30:47 <kpreid> _bjoern: I have the feeling that x ^ 0x10 is useful
00:30:56 <deltab> yeah, me too
00:31:23 <deltab> and some sort of dishwasher principle
00:31:48 <kpreid> ?
00:32:24 <deltab> something related to the Banach-Tarski Theorem, as I recall
00:32:38 <deltab> base don a diagram in New Scientist
00:32:46 * Arnia removes deltab's measure
00:32:55 <deltab> ouch
00:33:26 <deltab> 0's special status as a bool is probably needed
00:33:54 <Arnia> 0's special status as the initial object
00:34:49 * kpreid still can't think of anything
00:36:15 <Arnia> Hm... cubes?
00:36:26 <Arnia> Huffman Attack
00:37:17 <deltab> (x || 0x10) & 0x10
00:37:52 <_bjoern> that's always false
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00:38:08 <_bjoern> if you s/ || / | / it's always true
00:38:57 <deltab> eh?
00:39:22 <deltab> you said javascript
00:39:49 <_bjoern> Yes? I'd think x || 0x10 == 1, and 1 & 0x10 is false.
00:40:00 <deltab> you'd be wrong (for js)
00:41:55 <deltab> js> 0 || 0x10
00:41:55 <deltab> 16
00:42:21 <_bjoern> so this evaluates to the left number if it's true, and to the right number otherwise?
00:42:26 * _bjoern checks the spec
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00:43:10 <_bjoern> Yes so it does.
00:43:35 <_bjoern> Hmm so I can actually use that
00:43:51 <_bjoern> sweet, thanks
00:45:33 <kpreid> deltab: aah!
00:45:39 <kpreid> clever
00:46:39 <deltab> I've used that to supply default values elsewhere, but it took me a while to realise it would work here
00:47:40 <deltab> amount = amount || "0.00"; for example
00:48:21 <deltab> python's or works in the same way
00:49:10 <_bjoern> Perl has a // operator for that (a // b is the same as `defined a ? a : b`), which you can also use as a //= ...
00:49:29 <kpreid> naw
00:49:37 <kpreid> Perl's || is more alike
00:49:44 <deltab> php's doesn't
00:49:52 <kpreid> / is just the definedness rather than truth-value version
00:49:57 <kpreid> er, //
00:52:39 <_bjoern> I've spent too much time C coding lately.
00:55:48 * _bjoern better won't try to shorten !((x || 0x10) & 0x10) then
01:00:25 <kpreid> indeed not...
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02:16:41 <_bjoern> .title http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/08/bank-loses-whole-server
02:16:43 <phenny> _bjoern: Bank loses server stuffed with customer records - The INQUIRER
02:20:16 <_bjoern> phenny, tell darobin http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/27/27881/27881_1.jpg
02:20:17 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when darobin is around.
02:32:13 <_bjoern> .c days in 6000 years over 2 ** 21
02:32:13 <phenny> (6 000 years) over (2 ** 21) = 1.04496631 days
02:33:23 <_bjoern> .c minutes in 6000 years over 2 ** 32
02:33:23 <phenny> (6 000 years) over (2 ** 32) = 0.734741939 minutes
02:34:23 <_bjoern> .c gigaseconds in 6000 years
02:34:24 <phenny> 6 000 years = 189.341556 gigaseconds
02:34:46 <_bjoern> .c gigaseconds in 2008 years
02:34:47 <phenny> 2 008 years = 63.3663074 gigaseconds
02:35:13 <_bjoern> 64 - 63.3663074 gigaseconds in days
02:35:17 <_bjoern> .c 64 - 63.3663074 gigaseconds in days
02:35:18 <phenny> _bjoern: Sorry, no result.
02:35:24 <_bjoern> .c 64 gigaseconds - 63.3663074 gigaseconds in days
02:35:24 <phenny> (64 gigaseconds) - (63.3663074 gigaseconds) = 7 334.40509 days
02:35:35 <_bjoern> .c 64 gigaseconds - 63.3663074 gigaseconds in years
02:35:35 <phenny> (64 gigaseconds) - (63.3663074 gigaseconds) = 20.0809357 years
02:36:18 <_bjoern> .c 63.366336 gigaseconds in years
02:36:19 <phenny> 63.366336 gigaseconds = 2 008.00091 years
02:36:37 <_bjoern> .c 2008 years minus 63.366336 gigaseconds
02:36:37 <phenny> (2 008 years) minus (63.366336 gigaseconds) = -7.956334 hours
02:37:05 <_bjoern> .c 2008 years minus 63.636363 gigaseconds
02:37:05 <phenny> (2 008 years) minus (63.636363 gigaseconds) = -8.5577297 years
02:37:12 <_bjoern> .c 2008 years minus 63.63 gigaseconds
02:37:12 <phenny> (2 008 years) minus (63.63 gigaseconds) = -8.3560941 years
02:38:25 <_bjoern> .g 666 fortnights in years
02:38:26 <phenny> _bjoern: http://bryanallain.com/blog/archives/2007/02/13/around-the-web-in-80-fortnights/
02:38:29 <_bjoern> .c 666 fortnights in years
02:38:29 <phenny> 666 fortnights = 25.528266 years
02:39:12 <_bjoern> .c 666 weeks in years
02:39:13 <phenny> 666 weeks = 12.764133 years
02:39:53 <_bjoern> .c 6666 days in years
02:39:54 <phenny> 6 666 days = 18.2509032 years
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06:13:07 <cre8radix> ..dict fraud
06:13:15 <cre8radix> .dict fraud
06:13:16 <phenny> TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'NoneType' and 'str' (file "/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/dict.py", line 112, in dict)
06:13:28 <cre8radix> hm
06:39:37 <nsh> phenny, ask sbp when some kinda dict function will be the work again in phenny
06:39:37 <phenny> nsh: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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06:40:15 <Monty> But what does dmiles_afk have to do with the price of fish?
06:41:31 <nsh> DMILES IS FISH PRICE FIXOR
06:47:01 <sbp> yo
06:47:01 <phenny> sbp: 07:24Z <nsh> ask sbp when some kinda dict function will be the work again in phenny
06:50:08 <nsh> 'supmarbles
07:10:21 * Mike_L looks around
07:33:10 <sbp> phenny: reload dict
07:33:10 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.dict' from '/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/dict.pyc'> (version: 2008-05-11 08:18:13)
07:33:13 <sbp> .dicy fraud
07:33:20 <sbp> .dict fraud
07:33:20 <phenny> fraud - 1. crime of cheating somebody, 2. somebody who deceives
07:33:26 <sbp> a bit of a dicy fraud there
07:33:46 <sbp> nsh: fixared! yomarbles unto thee syre
07:37:05 <Mike_L> .compare 'yomarbles' 'my marbles'
07:37:05 <phenny> Mike_L: .compare has been replaced by .gcs (googlecounts)
07:37:15 <cre8radix> sbp: what didya change?
07:37:21 <Mike_L> .gcs 'yomarbles' 'my marbles'
07:37:23 <phenny> 'my (1,290,000,000), marbles' (8,230,000), 'yomarbles' (1)
07:37:37 <Mike_L> .gcs 'yomarbles' "my marbles"
07:37:38 <phenny> "my marbles" (182,000), 'yomarbles' (1)
07:37:59 <Mike_L> .gc "lost my marbles"
07:38:00 <phenny> "lost my marbles": 39,400
07:39:40 <Mike_L> .countdown
07:39:50 <Mike_L> countdown!
07:39:54 <Mike_L> Monty: dude
07:39:56 <Monty> via nsh wow, that kind of prey" "starfleet cube" (0)
07:39:59 <thelsdj> thats rather non-intuitive
07:40:10 <Mike_L> Monty: countdown
07:40:10 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 5, 9, 10, 10, 7. Your target is 579. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
07:40:40 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
07:40:42 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 16 milliseconds. I found all 32 solutions in about 63 milliseconds.
07:40:43 <Monty> ibot (5*10 + 7)*10 + 9
07:40:59 <Mike_L> .calc (50+7)*10 + 9
07:41:00 <phenny> (50+7)*10 + 9 = 579
07:41:13 <Mike_L> Monty: countdown
07:41:14 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 10, 8, 10, 10, 4. Your target is 644. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
07:41:26 <thelsdj> 2 job offers (which is better): a) $50k every 6 months with $5k raise every 6 months. b) $100k every year with $20k raise every year
07:41:44 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
07:41:45 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 0 milliseconds. I found all 6 solutions in about 47 milliseconds.
07:41:47 <Monty> ibot (100 - 10 - 10)*8 + 4
07:41:47 <thelsdj> interesting puzzle as the answer is easy to calculate, but hard to intuit
07:42:08 <cre8radix> phenny: tell sbp what was changed in the dict.py?
07:42:08 <phenny> cre8radix: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
07:42:35 <Mike_L> thelsdj: is (1.1)^2 > 1.2 ?
07:42:45 <Mike_L> .calc (1.1)^2
07:42:46 <phenny> (1.1)^2 = 1.21
07:43:00 <Mike_L> thelsdj: the 6-month salary is better
07:47:26 <sbp> cre8radix: just one line. you can get the new version from http://inamidst.com/phenny/modules/dict.py
07:47:27 <phenny> sbp: 08:27Z <cre8radix> tell sbp what was changed in the dict.py?
07:48:43 * cre8radix shoul've refreshed teh page
07:49:01 <cre8radix> and type more d
07:50:04 <cre8radix> :D
07:50:15 <cre8radix> sbp: thx
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08:07:18 <sbp> hehe. yw
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08:51:02 <xover> .c £273.49 in NOK
08:51:02 <phenny> UK£ 273.49 = 2 691.69217 Norwegian kroner
08:51:29 <xover> .c (£273.49 * 1.25) in NOK
08:51:30 <phenny> (UK£ 273.49) * 1.25 = 3 364.61521 Norwegian kroner
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09:04:08 <xover> Hmm. $100k + $10k / year vs. $100k + $20k / year?
09:04:32 <xover> How do you figure Mike_L?
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09:05:58 <Monty> But what does dmiles_afk have to do with the price of fish?
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09:22:44 <thelsdj> this weeks dr who is actually pretty good, seemed stupid to start, but got good
09:24:33 <xover> I entirely lost interest in Dr Who after Eccleston left.
09:24:59 <xover> And Torchwood has been a downward spiral of disappointment so far.
09:25:01 <thelsdj> its gotten worse, but the 3-4 great episodes per season is worth watching some of the crap to me
09:27:42 <thelsdj> I just wish they'd get steven moffat to write more episodes, give him lots of $$$ and kick russell davies to the curb
09:34:03 <xover> No way. Moffat needs to pick up Coupling again.
09:36:00 <thelsdj> well that too
09:36:08 <thelsdj> HE JUST NEEDS MORE WORK DAMNIT
09:36:23 <thelsdj> look at his imdb, its barren
09:36:32 <thelsdj> though he is doing tintin
09:36:37 <xover> He just needs to work more.
09:37:24 <thelsdj> maybe we should kidnap him and force him to write?
09:37:33 <xover> I second the motion.
09:37:56 <xover> Who volunteers to dig up his current home address?
09:42:01 <xover> .title http://www.mono-1.com/monoface/main.html
09:42:02 <phenny> xover: monoface
09:42:05 <xover> heh heh
09:48:13 <sbp> .wik Harry Plunket Greene
09:48:13 <phenny> "Harry Plunket Greene (b. Dublin 24 June 1865: d. London 19 August 1936) was an Irish baritone singer who was most famous in the formal concert and oratorio repertoire." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Plunket_Greene
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11:37:58 <_bjoern> yip yip yip
11:38:18 <_bjoern> the storkAd is annoying
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12:30:45 * Arnia likes the new Doctor Who
12:30:46 <Arnia> :p
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12:31:16 <Arnia> Georgina Moffat as Jenny was good in this week's
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12:54:05 <Pierre> http://www.rtfm.no/fun/pic/apt-get_wife.png =)
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13:49:00 <deltab> Arnia: that's Georgia Moffett: Georgina Moffat played Abigail in Skins
13:52:15 <deltab> adding to the confusion there's a Peter Moffett (father of Georgia) and a Peter Moffatt, who have both been involved with Doctor Who at the same time
13:53:08 <deltab> the former uses the stage name Peter Davison because of that
13:55:11 <deltab> and then there's Stephen Moffat, writer of some good DW episodes
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13:59:29 * Arnia blinks
13:59:38 <Arnia> Oh dear. I'm very confused
14:00:20 <deltab> you're not the only one :-)
14:01:47 <cre8radix> rofl
14:02:16 <cre8radix> Pierre: great rtfm!
14:02:26 <Pierre> :)
14:03:24 <Arnia> deltab: how on earth do they themselves know who they're talking about?
14:04:48 <selggig> between Peters and Georgias and Moffetts and Moffatts?
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14:23:47 <Arnia> selggig: no, between badgers and chemical warfare
14:25:05 <selggig> how badgers are affected by chemical warfare?
14:29:50 <deltab> [[[
14:29:53 <deltab> ‹olegfink› okay, I officially proclaim me being dumb
14:29:53 <deltab> ‹zecke› olegfink: I guess you are human?
14:29:53 <deltab> ‹olegfink› ah, I'm human, just can't get to speak english correctly. Dumb is an adjective, not a noun. That phrase should've looked like 'I proclaim me being a dumbass', right?
14:29:53 <deltab> ‹deirdre› actually "dumb" is colloquially used as an adverb, so "me being dumb" is perfectly understandable even if the dictionaries don't list "dumb" as an adverb.
14:29:55 <deltab> ]]]
14:30:02 <deltab> comments?
14:31:38 <aspect> I'd proclaim myself as being dumb, but I don't think I can explain why
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15:32:41 <sbp> deltab: it's the "me being" which is odd
15:32:44 <sbp> I'd use myself
15:32:55 <sbp> "I officially proclaim myself human"
15:33:04 <sbp> (adjective)
15:33:10 <sbp> "I officially proclaim myself a human"
15:33:12 <sbp> (noun)
15:33:27 <deltab> yeah, I noticed that, but what about the adverbness?
15:33:43 <sbp> I can't recall hearing dumb used as an adverb
15:34:00 <sbp> hmm, actually...
15:34:08 <sbp> .gc "did that pretty dumb"
15:34:09 <phenny> "did that pretty dumb": 0
15:34:14 <sbp> heh
15:34:23 <sbp> you might get away with something like that
15:34:32 <sbp> "well gee Billy, you did that pretty dumb!"
15:35:03 <sbp> I think that might say more about the rôle than the word though
15:35:19 <sbp> I mean, I think you can whack the -ly off almost any -ly adverb in that position
15:35:28 <sbp> "well gee Billy, you did that pretty quick!"
15:35:34 <sbp> "well gee Billy, you did that pretty strange!"
15:37:22 <sbp> .weather EGLL
15:37:23 <phenny> Clear ☼, 25℃, 1018mb, Gentle breeze 10kt (↑) - EGLL 16:50, 1550Z
15:39:31 <Arnia> Hm. Had an idea for writing papers.
15:40:53 <Arnia> Use a Tiddlywiki to store lots of chunks of explanation and arguments for points. Then, to produce a paper, you open up those chunks in an appropriate order (shuffling them around by drag-and-drop perhaps) and then copy and paste the content. The rest becomes formatting and (hopefully minor) editing
15:41:59 <deltab> also is 'being' acting as a copula there?
15:43:25 <deltab> Arnia: yeah, like outliners
15:44:04 <Arnia> deltab: sort of, but where you're shuffling whole portions of documents around not just headings
15:44:30 <Arnia> deltab: but the idea is that you store ALL the notes, and you use the collection to produce lots of papers rather than just one
15:45:26 <kpreid> Arnia: Speaking of composing... I learned yesterday that Preview in 10.5 lets you add, delete, and rearrange pages in PDFs
15:45:38 <deltab> add?
15:45:39 <kpreid> Arnia: Even copying pages between PDFs
15:45:46 <kpreid> deltab: well, blank pages...
15:45:50 <Arnia> Oh... that's interesting
15:46:21 <deltab> really going for the pile-of-papers metaphor, then
15:46:44 <deltab> like the PaperPort desktop
15:46:48 <kpreid> Arnia: Someone used it to create a single PDF containing the whole letter-and-additional-documents they were mailing
15:49:52 <Arnia> Fair enough. That's quite cool.
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15:53:36 <chris2> Arnia: seems like the system pirsig and luhmann used (just digitally)
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16:35:41 <xover> Watching Band of Brothers again…
16:36:07 <xover> Man, there isn't a single frame of that series I would hesitate to have framed and hang on my wall.
17:13:33 <_bjoern> nu
17:22:14 <Arnia> I hate writer's block.
17:39:21 <cre8radix> _bjoern: http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,993278,00.jpg
17:39:24 <cre8radix> hrhr
17:39:49 <_bjoern> that's very lol!
17:39:56 <chris2> Arnia: try writing sentences of six words only
17:42:38 <cre8radix> phenny: "Friedhof - Exit only"?
17:42:47 <phenny> cre8radix: "which?" (en-unmangled)
17:42:58 <cre8radix> phenny: de "Friedhof - Exit only"?
17:42:58 <phenny> cre8radix: "cemetery - exit only" (de)
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18:00:05 <sbp> deltab: C4 news
18:00:53 <sbp> man, it's too hot
18:01:34 <_bjoern> turn off teh pron
18:02:16 <sbp> hehe. NEVER!
18:03:49 <sbp> C4 news just said that Burma has a Ministry of Truth
18:04:01 <sbp> not sure if that was just a satiric appelation, or a real one
18:04:48 <sbp> the former, Google suggests
18:05:05 <_bjoern> .gcs [bush approved myanmar ministry of truth] [myanmar ministry of truth]
18:05:07 <phenny> bush approved myanmar ministry of truth (41,600), myanmar ministry of truth (39,800)
18:05:22 <_bjoern> There, google magix
18:05:40 <sbp> thx
18:05:45 <sbp> .gs Ministry of *
18:05:46 <phenny> Ministry of *: foreign affairs (7), finance (6), information (5), reshelving (4), pacific (4), money (4), defence (4), education (3), type (2), tourism (2)
18:05:50 <sbp> .gs Burma's Ministry of *
18:05:51 <phenny> Burma's Ministry of *: information (5), health (4), electric (4), transport (3), hotel (3), foreign (2), defence (2), communication (2), agriculture (2)
18:05:55 <sbp> .gs Myanmar's Ministry of *
18:05:56 <phenny> Myanmar's Ministry of *: energy (7), foreign (5), livestock (4), health (4), culture (4), hotels (3), defense (3), trade (2), industry (2), electric (2), defence (2)
18:06:03 <sbp> Ministry of Hotels
18:06:50 <_bjoern> .g "Ministry of Hotels"
18:06:50 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.burmalibrary.org/reg.burma/archives/200005/msg00058.html
18:07:15 <_bjoern> Gen.maj. Saw Lwin
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18:09:23 <_bjoern> I wonder whether they are short on officers to run the military?
18:16:17 <sbp> referrer: [disiplin tu beard lady buttocks]
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18:30:07 <sbp> deltab: question. why does Rory Bremner always default to Gordon Ramsay when he's between other impressions?
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19:06:43 * _bjoern hmms at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz_ocKwUQYI
19:07:05 <sbp> .title
19:07:06 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - Glukoza - Glukoza Nostra
19:07:13 <_bjoern> "that car flipping reminded me of Ночной дозор"
19:08:00 <_bjoern> "A cool music video done on an Apple II." - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLvkE_03-y4
19:10:14 <_bjoern> includes source code apparently
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21:11:50 <_bjoern> .gc Naturwunder
21:11:51 <phenny> Naturwunder: 238,000
21:14:40 <_bjoern> .gcs "desert web" "web desert" "dessert web" "web dessert"
21:14:42 <phenny> "desert web" (50,000), "web desert" (4,150), "dessert web" (915), "web dessert" (506)
21:23:00 <_bjoern> .gc serengeti porn
21:23:01 <phenny> serengeti porn: 59,700
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22:57:10 <deltab> .gc junta-gatherer
22:57:11 <phenny> junta-gatherer: 7
23:04:20 <_bjoern> heh
23:21:38 <clsn> deltab: think you can email me your youtube-video-getting script? DCC stuff doesn't seem to work on this machine.
23:22:25 <deltab> I don't have email set up on this machine, sorry
23:22:44 <clsn> OK. Bleah. Wonder if I can figure out the problem with DCC.
23:25:37 * deltab installs xclip
23:27:58 * clsn sets this machine to be DMZ on the firewall, maybe that'll help.
23:28:09 <deltab> http://pastebin.com/f5ad93a29
23:29:23 <clsn> Thanks.
23:52:57 <zachb> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAEMjD4J55E
23:52:58 <phenny> zachb: YouTube - The Future of the Internet - and How to Stop It
23:53:00 <zachb> long, but worth it
23:58:46 <plum> zachb, come back to bytesexual :p
