00:01:08 <_bjoern> Are you really really really sure it's worth it?
00:01:22 <_bjoern> Many people would use those words lightly.
00:01:43 <zachb> Mhmm
00:01:54 <zachb> And he's a decent presenter, too
00:02:06 <zachb> so its not something you'd fall asleep to
00:03:36 <nslater> zachb: spread the love, yo
00:03:50 <_bjoern> .gc youtube porn
00:03:50 <phenny> youtube porn: 387,000
00:05:41 <zachb> what love?
00:05:53 <nslater> we miss you :(
00:06:02 <zachb> Oh yeah, sorry I've been away recently
00:06:05 <_bjoern> zachb misses love, apparently
00:06:05 <zachb> should be back though
00:06:18 <nslater> no idea what that means
00:07:54 <zachb> heh
00:12:02 <nslater> are you gonna tell me what it means or should i presume you hate me etc ;)
00:12:50 <_bjoern> I like the latter.
00:12:58 <nslater> it usually works out that way
00:13:02 <_bjoern> Any other votes?
00:13:05 <_bjoern> Then it's decided.
00:13:45 <nslater> :(
00:26:14 <zachb> Nono, I've really been just busy
00:27:34 <nslater> we're too distracting for you are we? :p
00:28:08 <nslater> busy with what anyway?
00:28:29 <zachb> stuff
00:28:57 <_bjoern> Yeah that's keeping me busy aswell, what a coincidence!
00:29:32 <zachb> Awesome!
00:29:43 <_bjoern> I couldn't make this up!
00:30:35 <zachb> Wow! you must be me!
00:38:37 <zachb> I must run away again
00:38:43 <zachb> this time stuff = sleep
00:38:45 <_bjoern> You could also be trying to impersonate me.
00:38:58 <zachb> Dammit.... you're fast
00:39:20 <_bjoern> That could be why you are trying to impersonate me.
00:41:01 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp http://www.gulli.com/news/kein-geld-f-r-eigenes-2008-05-10/ de sry
00:41:01 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
01:06:36 * Arnia wonders what timezone zachb is in
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06:47:06 <sbp> yo
06:47:06 <phenny> sbp: 01:26Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://www.gulli.com/news/kein-geld-f-r-eigenes-2008-05-10/ de sry
06:47:20 <sbp> phenny: de "http://www.gulli.com/news/kein-geld-f-r-eigenes-2008-05-10/"?
06:47:21 <phenny> sbp: "http://www.gulli.com/news/kein-geld-f-r-eigenes-2008-05-10/" (de)
06:48:52 <sbp> aha: http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/09/band-shoots-video-by.html
06:48:55 <sbp> .title
06:48:56 <phenny> sbp: Band "shoots" video by sending Data Protection Act requests to CCTVs that caught them performing - Boing Boing
06:49:14 <sbp> that's pretty funny
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07:07:13 <Arnia> I once planned to shoot a film the same way
07:08:00 <Arnia> The theme of the film was about how we're always watched by someone; even if it is only our own conscience
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08:39:21 <Monty> hey JibberJim
09:02:14 <cre8radix> ahoi
09:10:37 <sbp> .ety swab
09:10:37 <phenny> "1659, 'mop made of rope or yarn,' from swabber (1607) 'mop for cleaning a ship's deck,' from Du. zwabber, akin to W.Fris. swabber 'mop,' from P.Gmc. *swab-, perhaps of imitative origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=swab
09:10:39 <sbp> .ety soak
09:10:40 <phenny> "O.E. socian (related to sucan 'to suck'), from P.Gmc. *sukon (cf. W.Flem. soken), from PIE base *seue- 'to take liquid' (see sup (2))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=soak
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10:42:22 <Morbus> .
10:42:28 <sbp> MORBUS
10:42:34 <Morbus> hey.
10:42:35 <sbp> sup mang
10:42:50 <Morbus> it's time for... HOW AWESOME IS MORBUS?!
10:42:57 <Morbus> .c 30509/1080183 * 100
10:42:57 <phenny> (30 509 / 1 080 183) * 100 = 2.82442882
10:43:08 <Morbus> .c 59263/1973866 * 100
10:43:09 <phenny> (59 263 / 1 973 866) * 100 = 3.00238213
10:43:11 <Morbus> \o/
10:43:16 <sbp> we asked a panel of five judges, including Mr. T and noted pornographic artist Perky Patricia
10:43:30 <sbp> they said "well, like, percentages. very low. = Morbus rox"
10:43:42 <Morbus> (foo)
10:43:46 <sbp> hehe
10:45:41 <Morbus> wow, funny.
10:45:49 <Morbus> i just went to a webpage and scrolled *up*.
10:45:59 <Morbus> my fingers assumed the webpage would wrap around, and i'd see the bottom of it
10:46:03 <pwaring> afternoon
10:46:03 <Morbus> (which is really where i wanted to go).
10:46:07 <sbp> ahaha. that would be awesome
10:46:12 <Morbus> yes, it really would actually
10:46:19 <sbp> felicitous welcomings unto thee, Mr. Waring
10:46:27 * pwaring revs up
10:46:33 <sbp> vroooooomeE!
10:46:42 <cre8radix> sbp: http://www.tronguy.net/images/TronGuyWallpaper1024x768.jpg
10:46:46 <sbp> khtthcjgrrrru…tæhh
10:47:04 <sbp> .wik Jay Maynard
10:47:04 <phenny> "Jay Maynard is a computer programmer and system administrator." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Maynard
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10:47:10 <Monty> hi leobard, how ya doing?
10:47:15 * pwaring has a book by Morbus on his shelf
10:47:23 <sbp> sexiness factor: -NaN
10:48:05 <sbp> pwaring: Spidering Hacks?
10:48:13 <sbp> because if so, you've got bits of deltablore and sbplore in it too
10:48:22 <pwaring> aye
10:48:26 <pwaring> that's the one
10:49:13 <sbp> Phædra with her looking glass
10:49:18 <sbp> when she lays upon the grass
10:49:23 <sbp> she gets so messed up, the faints
10:49:29 <sbp> that's 'cause she's so obvious and you ain't!
10:49:37 <pwaring> these troublemaker names keep cropping up everywhere ;)
10:49:38 <sbp> s/the faints/she faints/
10:49:40 <sbp> w'evvahs
10:49:44 <sbp> yeah mang
10:50:14 <sbp> from Ethiope to Philippines Island
10:50:47 <sbp> I'd like to know what Robert Johnson's geography was really like
10:52:23 <aspect> .o( nobody in here would happen to have utf-8 Greek work in LaTeX math mode? I've just spent a day and a half trying to make it work ... total waste of time and now I'm frustrated )
10:52:53 * sbp looketh in ye directioun of yon Arnia
10:53:20 <aspect> now I have to revert that document back to looking ugly in vim :-(
10:53:32 <pwaring> aspect: works for me
10:53:46 <pwaring> it was a bit hackish though
10:54:07 <sbp> phenny: tell Arnia we gots a Zulu Oscar Mike Golf situation here mang. any helps on this? <aspect> .o( nobody in here would happen to have utf-8 Greek work in LaTeX math mode? I've just spent a day and a half trying to make it work ... total waste of time and now I'm frustrated )
10:54:07 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
10:54:33 <pwaring> aspect: I had
10:54:37 <pwaring> \usepackage[polutonikogreek,english]{babel} % list default language (English) last
10:54:38 <aspect> pwaring: do you have a small demo I can try to build here?
10:54:41 <pwaring> \def\greek{\textgreek}
10:54:43 <pwaring> \usepackage{ucs}
10:54:46 <pwaring> \usepackage[utf8x]{inputenc}
10:54:52 <pwaring> that seemed to do the trick
10:55:11 <sbp> phenny: tell Arnia shit, I meant to work the word "yonarniamon" in there somewhere. also pwaring is helping, so see logs around this time just in case he resolves it; or in case you're interested; or just whatever really. just what-fucking-ever. also hellos!
10:55:11 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
10:55:37 <aspect> and with that you can substitute \delta for the appropriate unicode?
10:55:58 <pwaring> I think so
10:56:00 <pwaring> just a sec
10:56:03 <sbp> .gc polutoniko
10:56:04 <phenny> polutoniko: 328
10:56:15 * sbp presumes that = polytonic
10:56:26 <aspect> I wasn't using polutoniko .. I hope that's not the only thing I did wrong
10:56:39 <aspect> sbo: correct -- Greek with all its accents supported
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10:57:03 <pwaring> hmm
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10:57:13 <pwaring> it transliterates in math mode
10:57:36 <pwaring> πολιτῶν -> politn
10:57:40 <sbp> some guy I was reading recently made the case that we should just get over accents already, and learn them as parts of the words except where you need them for differentiation
10:57:45 <pwaring> not quite transliterates
10:58:10 <aspect> that's more like I was seeing before
10:58:40 <sbp> which I'm not sure about, but I'm more keen on the point he made about Latin not being a requisite for Greek, something that's gone on for way too damn long. does seem the tide is turning now; it's not the only place I've read it
10:59:07 <aspect> but I get a different error with that anyway
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10:59:14 <sbp> obviously you don't want to belie the fact that the "Classics" have been intertwined for so long in the cultural memory, either, but as a route in there's no reason why they should be so necessarily bound
10:59:23 <pwaring> LaTeX Warning: Command \~ invalid in math mode on input line 97.
10:59:23 <pwaring> ah
10:59:26 <aspect> latex gives: ! LaTeX Error: Command \textbeta unavailable in encoding OT1.
10:59:29 <pwaring> yup
10:59:31 <pwaring> same here
10:59:42 <aspect> xelatex processes the document but the pdf appears to have no greek in it
11:00:24 <pwaring> I'm using pdflatex
11:01:04 <aspect> and I've tried various combinations of ucs and fontspec with xetex
11:01:33 <aspect> pdflatex gives me the same error as latex. That's half what makes this confusing: should I use latex, pdflatex, xetex, lambda, ....
11:01:42 <pwaring> hmm
11:01:52 <pwaring> I'm not actually sure if you can do this
11:02:27 <aspect> and there was I thinking it should be trivial and a common goal
11:02:53 <pwaring> heh
11:02:53 <Monty> heh - illegals etc.
11:02:58 <pwaring> nothing in trivial in latex
11:02:59 <aspect> great way for me to waste a day and put myself in a bad mood. sigh.
11:03:06 <pwaring> I tried using tables a week or so back
11:03:11 <pwaring> nightmare
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11:06:28 <sbp> .gc crackjob
11:06:29 <phenny> crackjob: 542
11:06:33 <sbp> .gc crackjobbery
11:06:34 <phenny> crackjobbery: 0
11:07:26 <aspect> pwaring: thanks for trying, and sharing my pain a bit :-)
11:08:35 <pwaring> heh, np
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13:17:47 <Monty> ??
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14:02:58 <sbp> dual is the adjective for two. what is the adjective for an arbitrary number?
14:05:22 <nsh> multiple
14:05:22 <nsh> or, er
14:05:23 <nsh> how arbitrary?
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14:05:27 <sbp> nsh: the context is that I was going to challenge nslater to a duel for saying chixor instead of lady
14:05:27 <sbp> and then I realised that I could make a phenny command that arbitrated
14:05:28 <sbp> it would be based on reaction times
14:05:49 <sbp> so someone would proposal a duel, and then the other person would have to assent within a set period of time
14:06:00 <sbp> then phenny would be all "<phenny> GO!" between five and ten seconds later
14:06:09 <sbp> and people have to enter any old line after that to win
14:06:18 <sbp> but then I realised that others may want to play along with that too
14:06:24 * nsh smiles
14:06:28 <sbp> so I was thinking it was going from dual to arbitrary
14:06:37 <sbp> then I realised that duel and dual is a neat pun
14:06:55 <sbp> so I wondered if I could make a similar pun from an adjective for an arbitrary number
14:06:58 <nsh> i'd probably go with m-elee
14:07:04 <nsh> but with the accent
14:07:06 <sbp> hehe
14:07:34 <_bjoern> Didn't javascript support some method to configure an observer of your own objects? Like, you get notified if the object is changed in some way?
14:08:23 <sbp> paging JibberJim
14:08:28 <sbp> come in Mr. Jim
14:09:08 <_bjoern> I am pretty sure I even looked it up last year or so, and become disappointed learning it's not supported on host objects, on devmo or something.
14:10:24 <_bjoern> hmm http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference:Global_Objects:Object:watch
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14:16:30 <Sprengelmeyer> Have i found the right place again??
14:16:41 <_bjoern> No.
14:16:54 <Sprengelmeyer> :(
14:17:11 <_bjoern> There isn't really all that might right and left in teh intatube chatz.
14:17:13 <Sprengelmeyer> Bot development channel for bot called --- something or rather.
14:17:29 <_bjoern> Try #phenny.
14:18:03 <Sprengelmeyer> Its awfully lonely in #phenny
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14:29:22 <nsh> .gs the proles will never *
14:29:23 <phenny> the proles will never *: revolt (7), rise (2), rebel (2)
14:29:34 <nsh> .gs the * will never revolt
14:29:35 <phenny> the * will never revolt: proletarians (10), proles (8), people (2)
14:29:51 <nsh> the moles will never revolt!
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14:43:24 <chandler> .gc "revolting mole"
14:43:25 <phenny> "revolting mole": 8
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15:14:32 <thelsdj> http://warehouse.carlh.com/comic/comic_258.php
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15:40:24 <bancus> Um. Shit.
15:40:39 <bancus> Mac Users: I maximized a window and it put the title bar above my screen.
15:40:44 <bancus> How do I get it back down?
15:41:01 <bancus> On Windows, I'd right click on the button for the task bar and select "move" and move it down via keyboard.
15:41:17 <bancus> Oh, it fixed itself.
15:41:18 * nsh always has this problem
15:41:20 <bancus> I'm still curious though.
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15:42:14 <chandler> bancus: interesting, I've never had that happen
15:42:22 <chandler> bancus: but you can usually undo a window zoom via Window -> Zoom
15:42:34 <chandler> should put it back to its former size if the last thing you did was to zoom it
15:42:37 <bancus> Zoom isn't in the menu.
15:42:49 <chandler> Ah. It's up to the app to put it there.
15:42:54 <chandler> What application, out of curiosity?
15:42:56 <bancus> InDesign CS3
15:43:12 <chandler> Oh. Count on Adobe to screw something like this up.
15:43:17 <bancus> Good general tip, though. I didn't know that there was a menu entry for that.
15:43:25 <bancus> Yeah, Adobe doesn't like playing standard.
15:43:37 <bancus> I can't tell you how baffled I was the first time I tried Cmd-H in Photoshop.
15:43:54 <bancus> At least it works properly in InDesign.
15:44:33 <chandler> Oh yes. Applications that steal Cmd-H are on my shit list. Cmd-` stealers are second.
15:44:39 <TedThibodeauJr> bancus - you can apple-click-and-drag on most Mac OS X window borders, if the title bar is unreachable
15:45:08 <bancus> What if there isn't a Window border?
15:45:17 <chandler> TedThibodeauJr: that doesn't seem to work at all for me
15:45:34 <TedThibodeauJr> actually ... bah. it's no longer so.
15:45:45 <TedThibodeauJr> fooey.
15:46:03 <chandler> bancus: your other out (assuming you're on Leopard) would be to activate Spaces and drag the window around
15:46:11 <bancus> No Leopard here, sadly.
15:46:19 <bancus> We've talked about upgrading, now that .3 is out.
15:46:30 <bancus> I'm always a been leery of upgrading as soon as something comes out.
15:46:33 <bancus> Well, not always.
15:46:35 <chandler> It is?
15:46:35 <bancus> Just at work.
15:46:47 <bancus> Home machine tends to run on the bleeding edge.
15:46:47 <chandler> I don't think 10.5.3 is quite out yet.
15:46:50 <bancus> Really
15:47:02 <bancus> Oh.
15:47:06 <bancus> They're seeding it, looks like.
15:47:28 <chandler> Yeah. I got the seed notice but haven't felt like playing with it. Supposedly there are some MBP stability fixes that would be nice.
15:48:04 <chandler> The second time I opened up my MBP from sleep after buying it, it awoke with garbled graphics and was hung. That's a graphics bug that's supposedly fixed in .3.
15:48:14 <chandler> Haven't had it since then, fortunately.
15:48:15 <bancus> Huh.
15:48:17 <bancus> Which MBP?
15:48:24 <bancus> All of them or just some models
15:48:29 * bancus has the 17" Core Duo
15:48:36 <chandler> Anything with nVidia, supposedly.
15:48:42 <bancus> Ah, I think I'm good.
15:48:48 <bancus> Pretty sure I have ATi.
15:49:43 <bancus> Yeah.
15:49:45 <bancus> Radeon X1600
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15:57:48 <kpreid> bancus: besides the zoom menu item, changing your screen resolution should cause all windows to reconsider their positions
15:58:20 <kpreid> bancus: or: if an app supports AppleScript I think you could move a window that way
15:58:59 <bancus> Heh.
15:59:05 <kpreid> bancus: or: the Accessibility API might provide for generating clicks on a window (I don't know, and I'm sure it'd require talking to a C library)
16:00:24 <sbp> .gc "sweet sassy molassy"
16:00:24 <phenny> "sweet sassy molassy": 16,700
16:10:28 <sbp> .gc "sweet fucky McDucky"
16:10:29 <phenny> "sweet fucky McDucky": 0
16:13:23 <thelsdj> penny arcade is great today
16:13:25 <thelsdj> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/05/12/je-parle-un-peu-du-francais/
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16:17:56 <bancus> InDesign becomes much nicer when you have a book to tell you where all the options are.
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16:29:55 <_bjoern> storkblog says it's very very unlikely we'll see hatching storklings.
16:30:00 <_bjoern> They offer this pix though http://bp0.blogger.com/_weokMisd98c/SCbpuMOMReI/AAAAAAAABO4/GYSbUlTCw54/s1600-h/013.jpg
16:30:54 <bancus> Hey, now. Don't shitrude the storks.
16:36:47 <bancus> sbp: A rule about shitruding storks should be added to the Swhack FAQ.
16:39:26 <thelsdj> or maybe storkruding shit
16:44:15 <bancus> phenny: tell sbp that a rule about shitruding storks should be added to the Swhack FAQ.
16:44:15 <phenny> bancus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
16:46:52 <sbp> bancus: http://swhack.jottit.com/faq
16:46:53 <phenny> sbp: 17:30Z <bancus> tell sbp that a rule about shitruding storks should be added to the Swhack FAQ.
16:47:52 <thelsdj> why the fsck do those links show as relative? does jottit not allow offsite links?
16:48:15 <sbp> oh, possibly the format is wrongs
16:49:51 <sbp> _bjoern: why unlikely?
16:50:04 <sbp> ahaha, awesome pix too
17:05:21 <_bjoern> They say the storks are probably young and inexperienced and left the eggs alone in the cold for too long too often, besides, I believe they should have hatched by now if they were going to.
17:05:35 <sbp> d'oh
17:05:41 <sbp> yeah, I wondered about the length of time
17:05:42 <sbp> damn
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17:13:48 <nsh> .ety proverb
17:13:53 <phenny> "1303, in boke of Prouerbyys, the O.T. book, from O.Fr. proverbe (12c.), from L. proverbium 'a common saying,' lit. 'words put forward,' from pro- 'forth' + verbum 'word' (see verb)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=proverb
17:14:12 <nsh> .ety pronoun
17:14:12 <phenny> "1530, from pro- and noun; modeled on M.Fr. pronom, from L. pronomen, from pro- 'in place of' + nomen 'name, noun.' A loan-translation of Gk. antonymia." - http://etymonline.com/?term=pronoun
17:14:48 <nsh> .gc site:etymonline.com "pro- 'in place of'"
17:14:49 <phenny> site:etymonline.com "pro- 'in place of'": 1
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18:24:34 <_bjoern> "It is important not to wast time."
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18:28:58 <zachb> "It is importent to spell correctly"
18:29:10 <_bjoern> .gc "It is importent to spell correctly"
18:29:10 <phenny> "It is importent to spell correctly": 0
18:30:00 <zachb> .gc importent porn
18:30:01 <phenny> importent porn: 782,000
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18:30:21 <_bjoern> .gc importent porn image
18:30:22 <phenny> importent porn image: 409,000
18:30:39 <zachb> .gc importent porn image lolz
18:30:49 <_bjoern> .gc importent porn image lolz
18:30:49 <phenny> importent porn image lolz: 2,790
18:31:08 <_bjoern> .gc importent porn image recognitition lolz
18:31:08 <phenny> importent porn image recognitition lolz: 344
18:31:47 <zachb> .gc importent porn image recognitition lolz pie
18:31:49 <chandler> .gc importent impotent porn image recognition lolz
18:31:50 <phenny> importent impotent porn image recognition lolz: 32
18:31:51 <chandler> oops
18:31:59 <jsled> FORK.
18:32:01 <zachb> nono, you can go
18:32:12 <zachb> Let me guess, ZWS?
18:32:17 <_bjoern> Somebody has to repeat zachb's move ... yes
18:32:24 <zachb> .gc importent porn image recognitition lolz pie
18:32:25 <phenny> importent porn image recognitition lolz pie: 153
18:32:47 <_bjoern> .gc importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie
18:32:47 <phenny> importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie: 26
18:32:51 <_bjoern> .gc importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree
18:32:51 <phenny> importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree: 17
18:33:13 <zachb> .gc important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree
18:33:35 <_bjoern> You have ".gc"
18:33:42 <_bjoern> .gc important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree
18:33:43 <phenny> important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree: 15
18:33:51 <zachb> fuck pidgin
18:34:18 <chandler> .gc important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree smudge
18:34:19 <phenny> important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree smudge: 5
18:34:35 <_bjoern> .gc important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree smudge lawn
18:34:36 <phenny> important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree smudge lawn: 5
18:35:41 <_bjoern> .gc "Notes to Inheritors"
18:35:42 <phenny> "Notes to Inheritors": 15,400
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18:39:42 <zachb> .gc important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree smudge lawn gnome
18:39:43 <phenny> important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree smudge lawn gnome: 4
18:39:52 <_bjoern> chandler?
18:40:29 <chandler> .gc important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree smudge lawn gnome larceny
18:40:30 <phenny> important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree smudge lawn gnome larceny: 2
18:40:38 <_bjoern> .gc important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree smudge lawn gnome larceny jihad
18:40:39 <phenny> important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree smudge lawn gnome larceny jihad: 2
18:40:47 <nsh> .gc important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree smudge lawn gnome larceny jihad fandangle
18:40:48 <phenny> important importent impotent porn image recognitition lolz pie tree smudge lawn gnome larceny jihad fandangle: 0
18:40:53 <_bjoern> pwnd
18:41:00 <nsh> drive by fail!
18:41:02 <nsh> .gc fandangle
18:41:02 <phenny> fandangle: 5,130
18:41:11 * nsh wonders why he thought that was an actual word
18:41:29 <chandler> nsh: rididiclue!
18:41:41 <_bjoern> misbronaunced Grim Fandango
18:42:20 * nsh blinks
18:42:31 <nsh> damn
18:42:33 <nsh> nsh--
18:42:39 <nsh> .gc fandango
18:42:40 <phenny> fandango: 559,000
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18:42:48 <nsh> .gd fandango
18:42:49 <phenny> fandango: fan·dan·go A party with dancing; also: a dance in triple time with instrumental accompaniment from Spain and Mexico; also: music for this dance.
18:43:03 <nsh> where the hell did i get fandangle from, twice!?!
18:44:28 <chandler> fandangle: A dance traditionally performed by attempting to walk around a desk without tripping over the rat's nest of USB cables, mobile phone and gadget chargers, headphones, and Ethernet cables sprawled out around the furniture.
18:44:37 <clsn> .ety fail
18:44:38 <phenny> "c.1225, from O.Fr. faillir 'be lacking, miss, not succeed,' from V.L. *fallire, from L. fallere 'deceive, be lacking or defective.' Replaced O.E. abreoðan." - http://etymonline.com/?term=fail
18:45:00 <clsn> Abroth.
18:45:11 <bancus> .gc abroth
18:45:12 <phenny> abroth: 2,990
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18:45:15 <bancus> Huh.
18:45:22 <clsn> .g abroth
18:45:22 <phenny> clsn: http://abroth.com/
18:45:24 <bancus> .ety abroth
18:45:24 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "abroth". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=abroth
18:45:42 <bancus> Abrahami Rothschild
18:45:48 <clsn> Yeah.
18:46:17 <clsn> I was simplifying abreoðan into what it might maybe perhaps be in modern English. Instead of Fail.
18:46:34 <clsn> It
18:46:36 <bancus> If I were a NWO-fearing sort of person, I might point to this guy as one of the conspiracy.
18:46:53 <clsn> It's a user's name on a bunch of forums. The same guy?
18:46:54 <bancus> He's both a Rothschild and working on ties between the US and Israel.
18:47:00 <bancus> Who knows.
18:47:15 <clsn> Eh. Hardly all that much of a standout these days.
18:47:31 <bancus> I remember looking up Dhamian once and finding a Dhamian Blue, Esq, and then someone on a bunch of gaming forums named dhamian. I doubt they were the same person, but you never know.
18:48:03 <bancus> Oh, at least his name isn't Abrahami.
18:48:10 <bancus> Abrahami's his partner.
18:48:19 <clsn> OK...
18:48:52 <bancus> He is, however, a professor of marketing at Yeshiva University.
18:49:14 <clsn> I wonder what happened to abreoðan, and if it is itself derived from something simpler.
18:49:26 <bancus> Dunno.
18:49:38 <bancus> Sometimes I wish for a stronger, multilingual etymological dictionary.
18:49:41 <clsn> YU is actually an accredited university, they do standard coursework and stuff there too.
18:49:52 <bancus> I wonder if we could do an online coop thing for that.
18:49:57 <clsn> Yeah, well, that's what #swhack is for.
18:50:02 <bancus> YU also sounds very jewish.
18:50:08 <clsn> It is.
18:50:15 <bancus> Sure, but I can't very well do automated queries on Swhackspace.
18:50:34 <clsn> Yeshiva means "Jewish religious school." It *is* a major religious school also.
18:50:46 <bancus> Do neat charts tracing words through millenia.
18:50:56 <clsn> Yeah..
18:50:59 <bancus> It'd be fun to look up origins of words, then trace up other lines to see what it became in say, Russian.
18:51:59 <bancus> I found a book once in a college library that detailed the progress of the languages of and around the Rus valley from about 900 CE to modern day.
18:52:04 <bancus> I wish I could get a copy of it.
18:52:20 <bancus> All kinds of stuff about vowel shifts and whatnot.
18:52:33 <bancus> I think I found it once on Amazon, but it's prohibitively expensive.
18:53:08 <clsn> Wow....
18:54:37 <clsn> .wik rus valley
18:54:40 <phenny> "Sviatoslav I of Kiev (Old East Slavic: С~тославъ (Свąтославъ)[1]| Игорєвичь (Sventoslavŭ Igorevichǐ), Russian: Святослав Игоревич, Ukrainian: Святослав Ігорович, Bulgarian: Светослав, Greek: [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sviatoslav_I_of_Kiev
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18:58:46 <nsh> , suspects HAX
18:58:51 <nsh> .ety succinct
18:58:52 <phenny> "1432, from M.Fr. succincte, from L. succinctus 'prepared, ready, contracted, short,' pp. of succingere 'tuck up (clothes for action), gird from below,' from sub 'up from under' + cingere 'to gird' (see cinch)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=succinct
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19:52:21 <procto> .ety hack
19:52:22 <phenny> "in O.E. tohaccian 'hack to pieces,' from W.Gmc. *khak- (cf. O.Fris. hackia, Du. hakken, O.H.G. hacchon), perhaps infl. by O.N. höggva 'to hack, hew,' from PIE *kau- 'to hew, strike.' Sense of 'short, dry cough' is 1802." - http://etymonline.com/?term=hack
19:52:28 <procto> .ety hack writer
19:52:46 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "hack writer". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=hack writer
19:53:22 <procto> hack in hackwriter from "hackney" a horse for hire
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19:56:14 <nsh_> procto, it's from journalism
19:56:45 <nsh_> the etymology isn't very rigorous (that i've seen anyway). a hack journalist 'hacks away at her typewriter'
19:57:23 <nsh_> fossised metaphor
19:57:29 <nsh_> *fossilised
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20:08:05 <procto> nsh_: well, a "hack writer" has emerged in the 1700's in england
20:08:26 <procto> I meant to say, but got distracted, that I see some affinity between the hack writer of the 1700's and the modern hacker
20:08:45 <procto> nsh_: no typewriters in the 1700's
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20:21:44 <nsh_> is true
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20:55:22 <nsh> .ety tincture
20:55:22 <phenny> "1400, from L. tinctura 'act of dyeing or tingeing,' from tinctus 'dye,' pp. of tingere 'to tinge, dye, moisten, soak,' from PIE base *teng- 'to soak' (cf. O.H.G. dunkon 'to soak,' Gk. tengein 'to moisten')." - http://etymonline.com/?term=tincture
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21:18:22 <_bjoern> .weather edfm
21:18:24 <phenny> Clear ☼, 16℃, 1015mb, Light breeze 7km/h (4kt) (↑) - EDFM 23:20, 2120Z
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21:40:36 <Monty> hi Talliesin
21:48:08 <bancus> Hm.
21:48:17 <bancus> My document seems to have margin issues.
21:48:32 <bancus> Almost like the top left margin is being doubled, or is having two margins applied or something.
21:52:29 <bancus> Aha, figured it out.
21:52:33 <bancus> It was the bleed settings.
22:11:34 <zachb> .gc qwerty porn
22:11:35 <phenny> qwerty porn: 38,400
22:12:31 <Arnia> .gc azerty querty porn
22:12:31 <phenny> Arnia: 11:40Z <sbp> tell Arnia we gots a Zulu Oscar Mike Golf situation here mang. any helps on this? <aspect> .o( nobody in here would happen to have utf-8 Greek work in LaTeX math mode? I've just spent a day and a half trying to make it work ... total waste of time and now I'm frustrated )
22:12:35 <phenny> Arnia: 11:41Z <sbp> tell Arnia shit, I meant to work the word "yonarniamon" in there somewhere. also pwaring is helping, so see logs around this time just in case he resolves it; or in case you're interested; or just whatever really. just what-fucking-ever. also hellos!
22:12:35 <Arnia> Woah
22:12:36 <phenny> azerty querty porn: 545
22:12:59 <Arnia> xetex?
22:14:36 <zachb> .title http://blogger.xs4all.nl/jcdverha/archive/2007/07/22/259924.aspx
22:14:36 <phenny> Can't connect to http://blogger.xs4all.nl/jcdverha/archive/2007/07/22/259924.aspx
22:14:55 <Arnia> zachb: that's your cue to explode
22:15:04 <zachb> .gc ZOMG azerty querty porn
22:15:04 <phenny> ZOMG azerty querty porn: 11
22:15:09 * zachb explodez
22:15:22 <zachb> "16: Drop the barometer off the building onto someones head, killing them outright. Wait for the next day's papers and read the part where is says "A man (39) was killed yesterday when a scientist (26) dropped a barometer from the top of an [x] foot building". "
22:15:42 <Arnia> hey, I'm only 25 :p
22:15:46 * Arnia nukes zachb
22:17:13 <zachb> Soooorrrryyyyy</I>
22:19:05 <clsn> I think there's also "find the superintendent of the building and say 'Hello, sir! If you can tell me how tall this building is, I am prepared to give you this shiny new barometer!'"
22:19:23 <zachb> "33: Read the inscription on the plaque on the back of the barometer, which says, "This barometer is the property of the metres high building. Please do not remove." [1] "
22:20:13 <bancus> What's the normal first-line indent?
22:20:48 <bancus> In pica/points preferably.
22:21:03 <zachb> 1/2 inch, no?
22:21:04 <bancus> Although I think it can convert if I give it other units.
22:21:20 <clsn> Depends on the column-width, point-size, document, etc etc...
22:21:20 <bancus> So 3 pica?
22:21:28 <Arnia> A point is (roughly) 1/72 of an inch
22:21:31 <clsn> I dunno, a coupla ems is usually fine.
22:21:40 <bancus> Column width is the whole letter-sized page, minus margin.
22:21:48 <bancus> point-size is 12pt.
22:22:09 <clsn> *shrug* 3 or 4 picas should be okay. I don't think there is The Correct Indent.
22:22:17 <bancus> k
22:22:21 <bancus> Huh.
22:22:27 <bancus> I'm getting weird lag to my box right now.
22:22:33 <bancus> Which is weird, considering that it's also my router.
22:23:49 <zachb> also it depends on the format, I believe
22:24:26 <zachb> "Go to the barometers manufacturer and tell him you want a barometer as high as the building in question. the manufacturer will say something like: "what the fuck do you need a XXX feet long barometer for" "
22:24:43 <bancus> Technical manual.
22:27:13 <bancus> I wonder why "Actual Size" never actually works.
22:29:01 <clsn> The xkcd shop sells stickers that say "Actual Size!" I designed an SVG design saying that.
22:29:09 <clsn> I presume the "actual size" refers to the sticker.
22:30:13 <zachb> 72: THIS METHOD USES MORE THAN ONE BAROMETER: Pack as many barometers as possible into the building until it undergoes gravitational collapse and becomes a black hole. Knowing the number of barometers used, the mass of this hole can be calculated, and the Schwarzchild radius of the hole is thus half the height of the building.
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22:38:50 <Monty> welcome, Talliesi1
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22:58:22 <deltab> aww, BBC3's broadcast of Family Guy 6.02 cut the Simpsons storyline
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23:39:23 <_bjoern> cpan just passed 44444 uploads apparently.
23:39:46 <_bjoern> 21 more and there'll be 6666 uploaders.
23:40:10 <_bjoern> 55555 modules has been crossed some time ago.
23:40:20 <_bjoern> .wik Schnappszahl
23:40:21 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Schnappszahl".
23:40:24 <_bjoern> .gc Schnappszahl
23:40:25 <phenny> Schnappszahl: 6,000
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23:43:46 <_bjoern> phunny http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk#Legal_issues
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23:51:05 <jsled> .title http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-hacks/2008-February/000480.html
23:51:06 <phenny> jsled: an IRC client in 40 lines of shell script
23:54:07 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2846464.html
23:54:07 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
23:54:09 <_bjoern> .title
23:54:10 <phenny> _bjoern: Ananova - Pupils go wild on spiked school dinners
23:55:04 <jsled> "opiates and amphetamines, which are known components of the drug" - ENOTQUITE
23:55:44 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp http://www.tagesschau.de/schlusslicht/tee4.html de sry
23:55:45 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
23:56:37 <_bjoern> "One little-noticed problem that U.S. troops in Iraq face concerns DVDs. Discs bought overseas are often coded to make them incompatible with players sold in the United States. Decoders can get around that, but another hurdle is proving far trickier: ...
23:56:42 <_bjoern> ... the "porno-virus," which is sometimes carried by bootlegg ed DVDs purchased in Iraqi markets, or souks. The viruses spread as data and discs are passed among soldiers." - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/09/AR2008050902548_pf.html
23:57:15 <_bjoern> .title http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1738877,00.html
23:57:16 <phenny> _bjoern: Govt Wants Less Mad Cow Testing - TIME
23:57:23 <_bjoern> this is a good news day surprisingly
23:59:32 <jsled> http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/12/fractal-drawers.html
