00:05:10 <clsn> fractal drawers: iwantone.
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00:29:14 <_bjoern> .gcs [swhack +penis] [swhack -penis]
00:29:16 <phenny> swhack -penis (7,550), swhack +penis (1,150)
00:29:23 <_bjoern> .gc swhack
00:29:24 <phenny> swhack: 8,770
00:29:29 <_bjoern> .calc 7550 + 1150
00:29:31 <phenny> 7550 + 1150 = 8700
00:29:48 <_bjoern> .gc swhack -site:swhack.com
00:29:49 <phenny> swhack -site:swhack.com: 5,810
00:32:27 <_bjoern> phunny g00d timez http://www.moiraatkinson.co.uk/kustom%20stats/swhack.freenode.html
00:33:35 <_bjoern> .gc "penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis"
00:33:36 <phenny> "penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis": 1,880
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00:38:19 <_bjoern> .gcs "beer and sausages" "sausages and beer"
00:38:21 <phenny> "sausages and beer" (20,100), "beer and sausages" (11,400)
00:38:49 <_bjoern> .gcs "man and woman" "woman and man"
00:38:50 <phenny> "man and woman" (8,980,000), "woman and man" (1,280,000)
00:38:59 <_bjoern> .gcs "men and women" "women and men"
00:39:00 <phenny> "men and women" (55,400,000), "women and men" (8,660,000)
00:39:28 <_bjoern> .gcs "gentlemen and ladies" "ladies and gentlemen"
00:39:29 <phenny> "ladies and gentlemen" (8,010,000), "gentlemen and ladies" (158,000)
00:41:09 <_bjoern> .gcs "is entirely clear" "is not entirely clear"
00:41:11 <phenny> "is not entirely clear" (603,000), "is entirely clear" (25,500)
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01:14:11 <_bjoern> .gc svetlana banana
01:14:11 <phenny> svetlana banana: 112,000
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01:20:47 <_bjoern> .gc tschakka
01:20:48 <phenny> tschakka: 32,600
01:21:43 <_bjoern> phenny, "учитывается если у игрока более 500 frag`ов"?
01:21:44 <phenny> _bjoern: I think it's Ru, which I can't translate.
01:21:47 <_bjoern> phenny, "учитывается если у игрока более 500 frag`ов"?
01:21:48 <phenny> _bjoern: I think it's Ru, which I can't translate.
01:21:50 <_bjoern> phenny, "учитывается если у игрока более 500 frag`ов"?
01:21:51 <phenny> _bjoern: I think it's Ru, which I can't translate.
01:21:57 <_bjoern> But you can translate ru!
01:22:05 <_bjoern> could at some point anyway
01:22:14 <_bjoern> phenny, ru en "учитывается если у игрока более 500 frag`ов"?
01:22:15 <phenny> _bjoern: I think it's Ru, which I can't translate.
01:22:22 <_bjoern> phenny u suxx!
01:23:21 <_bjoern> .gs future of the *
01:23:22 <phenny> future of the *: wsf (6), universe (5), rhodesias (5), profession (5), left (5), wto (4), internet (4), bma (4), workplace (3), transatlantic (3), professoriate (3)
01:24:28 <_bjoern> .title http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/05/12/1419204.shtml
01:24:29 <phenny> _bjoern: Slashdot | SMS 4x More Expensive Than Data From Hubble
01:24:55 <_bjoern> Yes, that's kinda like that back when I used sms.
01:29:54 <jsled> Okay. http://www.forumwarz.com/ is a w e s o m e
01:30:09 <_bjoern> .title
01:30:09 <phenny> _bjoern: Forumwarz - Forumwarz - A free browser-based RPG about Internet Culture
01:30:13 <_bjoern> well it sounds like it might be
01:30:28 <_bjoern> they should call it flash based though
01:30:42 <jsled> it's not.
01:30:50 <_bjoern> "Our FWZ-osophy: 1) Don\rquote t be evil.*" (that's all points)
01:30:59 <_bjoern> suxx
01:31:00 <_bjoern> "Our FWZ-osophy: 1) Don't be evil.*" (that's all points)
01:31:19 <_bjoern> .log delete -3 lines
01:31:29 <_bjoern> thanks phenny
01:32:04 <_bjoern> "Just play the goddamn game and we promise not to rape your kid sister "
01:34:49 <_bjoern> .gcs fat voluminous
01:34:50 <phenny> fat (14,400,000), voluminous (3,010,000)
01:35:00 <_bjoern> .gc "phatt island"
01:35:00 <phenny> "phatt island": 5,800
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01:35:31 <_bjoern> .gcs voluminös flächig
01:35:32 <phenny> flächig (147,000), voluminös (116,000)
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01:39:43 <_bjoern> .gc "badger penis"
01:39:44 <phenny> "badger penis": 899
01:39:49 <_bjoern> .gc "penis badger"
01:39:50 <phenny> "penis badger": 21
01:42:02 <jsled> _bjoern: http://www.waxy.org/archive/2008/02/25/forumwar.shtml should you care, but it sounds like you're buying in already.
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01:47:24 <bsh> phenny, tell _bjoern <jsled> _bjoern: http://www.waxy.org/archive/2008/02/25/forumwar.shtml should you care, but it sounds like you're buying in already.
01:47:25 <phenny> bsh: I'll pass that on when _bjoern is around.
01:47:27 <bsh> night!
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04:36:22 <procto> http://ejohn.org/blog/processingjs/
04:36:30 <procto> Processing ported to JS
05:10:18 <sbp> yo
05:10:18 <phenny> sbp: 00:40Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2846464.html
05:10:20 <phenny> sbp: 00:42Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://www.tagesschau.de/schlusslicht/tee4.html de sry
05:16:34 <procto> sbp: I promised you an anti-technobunkum tool, but so far nothing good
05:16:52 <procto> sbp: I've been stuffing things through crm114 using crm.py
05:17:02 <procto> now, sleep
05:18:10 <sbp> .g crm.py
05:18:13 <sbp> .wik crm114
05:18:21 <phenny> sbp: http://www.elegantchaos.com/node/129
05:18:44 <phenny> "The C.R.M. 114 Discriminator is a fictional piece of critical radio equipment in Stanley Kubrick's film Dr. Strangelove (1964), the destruction of which prevents the crew of a B-52 from hearing the recall code that would stop them from dropping their atomic bombs on [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRM114
05:19:08 <sbp> heh
05:24:16 <xover> .weather Tromsø
05:25:03 <phenny> Cloudy, 0℃, 1018mb, In the vicinity: Showers, Light breeze 2m/s (4kt) (↑) - ENTC, 7:50, 0550Z
05:25:09 <xover> .title http://weather.cs.uit.no/wcam0_latest.html
05:25:30 <phenny> xover: Weather Observations, University of Tromsø, Department of Computer Science
05:25:47 <xover> It's so nice in the spring time.
05:25:57 <xover> Only 20cm of fresh snow on the ground…
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05:44:38 <sbp> .weather EGLL
05:45:13 <phenny> Clear ☼, 12℃, 1019mb, Gentle breeze 9kt (↑) - EGLL 7:20, 0620Z
05:45:25 <sbp> not as bad as it has been here. it's been awful, up at 25
05:45:47 <xover> You sir, are a cad.
06:02:41 <sbp> well, nu. you have what I want, and apparently I have what you want
06:02:50 <sbp> I WILL WILLINGLY SWAP
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06:55:55 <sbp> referrer: [can we hide underground when there is earthquake]
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08:18:19 <cre8radix> re:hi
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08:24:02 <zachb> sup cre8radix
08:24:33 <cre8radix> getting the tax declaration done...
08:24:36 <cre8radix> :/
08:24:41 <cre8radix> suxxx
08:25:01 <cre8radix> whatchoo up2?
08:25:12 <zachb> Not much
08:25:32 <zachb> I woke up @ 2, because I thought that I could get stuff done better in the morning rather than at night
08:25:39 <zachb> (I went to bed really early)
08:25:48 <zachb> turns out: no!
08:25:57 <zachb> No ones around... I'm completely out of phase
08:26:12 <zachb> I did get some stuff
08:26:16 <zachb> *stuff done
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08:28:18 <cre8radix> :D
08:28:27 <cre8radix> oh man
08:29:09 <cre8radix> WAKE UP CALL!!!
08:29:52 <zachb> heh
08:29:55 <zachb> I'm not tired
08:30:08 <zachb> I actually set my alarm for 3, but got up @ 2...
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08:30:23 <zachb> yay Mr. Subconscious!
08:34:12 <cre8radix> hrhr
08:34:23 <cre8radix> yeah... i know that
08:38:33 <cre8radix> omg
08:38:44 <cre8radix> tom cruise is a sicko!
08:40:22 <zachb> yes... so?
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09:26:06 <Monty> Thank goodness, cre8radix is back!
09:26:37 <cre8radix> heya Monty
09:26:37 <Monty> ]]]
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09:33:33 * Arnia puts down his pen
09:33:40 <Arnia> virtual pen
09:34:04 <Arnia> Well, at least until my supervisor sends back emergency criticism :p
09:34:31 <pwaring> supervisors are good at that
09:34:37 <pwaring> Arnia: are you doing a phd
09:34:48 <Arnia> Yes
09:35:39 <sbp> yo
09:35:46 <sbp> what up, Arnia?
09:35:58 <Arnia> BCS paper
09:36:09 <sbp> which one is that?
09:36:18 <Arnia> 'A Web of Active Knowledge'
09:36:33 <pwaring> interesting
09:36:34 <Monty> 42 inch penis!?
09:36:39 <_bjoern> .title http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/story?id=4836138&page=1
09:36:39 <phenny> _bjoern: 02:33Z <bsh> tell _bjoern <jsled> _bjoern: http://www.waxy.org/archive/2008/02/25/forumwar.shtml should you care, but it sounds like you're buying in already.
09:36:54 * sbp tries to recall what it's for... an edition of something?
09:37:10 <phenny> _bjoern: ABC News: Bush Hits New Low as 'Wrong Track' Rises
09:37:11 <sbp> you're doing so damn much I can't keep up with it all
09:37:37 <_bjoern> jsled: thanks, I probably care to read, but less to play.
09:37:42 <zachb> yay
09:37:43 <zachb> people are up
09:38:03 <zachb> what is it, 11, in the uk?
09:38:08 <sbp> yes
09:38:25 <pwaring> 11:25
09:38:28 <pwaring> almost time for tea/coffee
09:38:29 <_bjoern> I've been up for some time, though considerably groggy
09:38:29 <sbp> .t
09:38:29 <phenny> Tue, 13 May 2008 10:25:21 GMT
09:38:40 <_bjoern> And hungry. Quite hungry in fact.
09:38:45 <sbp> man, my clock's wrong. why does OS X ntp hate humans?
09:38:56 <sbp> the thing is, I want to use my own ntp servers
09:39:04 <sbp> and for some reason I've never gotten it to play consistently nicely
09:39:05 <_bjoern> What other feelings would you have towards humans?
09:39:11 <sbp> good point
09:40:24 <Arnia> sbp: this is for the first BCS international academic research conference
09:40:47 <Arnia> sbp: the one with six Turing award winners as its keynote speakers
09:41:41 <sbp> oh, nice
09:41:51 <sbp> I'm not actually sure I even knew about this one
09:41:57 <sbp> when is the conference?
09:42:02 <Arnia> September
09:42:04 <Arnia> deadline is today
09:42:09 <sbp> .
09:42:10 <sbp> .t
09:42:11 <phenny> Tue, 13 May 2008 10:29:02 GMT
09:42:19 <_bjoern> http://www.abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1064a1Bush-Track.pdf is phun
09:42:19 <sbp> today: heh. emergency indeed
09:42:26 <sbp> argh. see, I just restarted the service and it's still a minute off
09:42:52 <sbp> wait, it looks like "restart" actually only stops it
09:43:03 <Arnia> not too happy with the paper to be honest, but I'll submit and hope for constructive feedback
09:43:10 <sbp> even though it clearly says:
09:43:11 <sbp> RestartService () { StopService; StartService; }
09:44:11 <sbp> .t
09:44:11 <phenny> Tue, 13 May 2008 10:31:03 GMT
09:44:20 <sbp> better. can't be arsed to debug this
09:44:40 <_bjoern> Clinton's lowest approval rating was 43%
09:45:16 <zachb> heh
09:45:38 <sbp> what, Bush is at -∞ - i∞?
09:45:58 * Arnia shoves sbp in a corner
09:46:12 <sbp> ah, nearly
09:46:31 <sbp> at least I didn't make it the most negative quaternion
09:46:39 <sbp> or octonion et al.
09:47:47 <_bjoern> "Domestic spying far outpaces terrorism prosecutions - As more Americans are watched, fewer cases are made." - http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-justice12-2008may12,0,4309444.story?track=rss
09:47:54 <_bjoern> "lol, just checking"?
09:48:15 <sbp> making sure American boobs are thoroughly safe from coast to coast
09:48:49 <_bjoern> phenny, de "Barocke Gartenlust"?
09:49:00 <phenny> _bjoern: I think it's De, which I can't translate.
09:49:01 <sbp> Baroque Gardenlove!
09:49:17 <sbp> phenny, de "Barocke Gartenlust"?
09:49:19 <_bjoern> love?
09:49:27 <sbp> also I thought I solveds that
09:49:28 <phenny> sbp: I think it's De, which I can't translate.
09:49:36 * sbp gets out the spanner
09:49:40 <_bjoern> you always say that.
09:49:47 <sbp> heh, yeah
09:49:50 <sbp> I'm such a tinker
09:49:58 <Arnia> sbp: teh email
09:51:59 <sbp> Arnia: my email? E_NOMSGS
09:52:26 <sbp> phenny: reload translat
09:52:26 <phenny> ImportError: No module named translat (file "/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/reload.py", line 23, in f_reload)
09:52:28 <sbp> phenny: reload translate
09:52:29 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.translate' from '/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/translate.pyc'> (version: 2008-05-13 10:39:20)
09:52:31 <sbp> phenny, de "Barocke Gartenlust"?
09:52:42 <phenny> sbp: I think it's De, which I can't translate.
09:52:49 <sbp> ARGH FUCKING FUCKDAMN
09:53:19 <Arnia> sbp: it may take a few minutes... has to transit the university's evil mail server
09:54:08 <Arnia> Hm... a few minutes break then I'll context shift back to my PhD, then on to thinking about information systems in healthcare
09:55:15 <sbp> eh, I'm too tired to fix this. I think the webpage format has changed
09:55:30 * sbp reads Arnia's email
09:56:12 <_bjoern> "... im Sommer 1981 - das ist inzwischen auch schon ... tausend Jahre her - ..." - Altkanzler Helmut Schmidt
09:56:18 <_bjoern> phenny, de "... im Sommer 1981 - das ist inzwischen auch schon ... tausend Jahre her - ..."?
09:56:29 <phenny> _bjoern: I think it's De, which I can't translate.
09:56:30 <_bjoern> IS TEH BROKE U SUXX HAZZA BUGZ
09:57:14 <sbp> Arnia: heh, I see you use the classic induction fallacy example
09:57:28 <_bjoern> nu
09:57:31 <sbp> NU
09:57:41 <_bjoern> it's not cool if you shout it.
09:57:55 <sbp> it's cooler than cool!
09:58:13 <sbp> but only if you shout it after someone disshouted it
09:58:13 <_bjoern> OH YEAH ITS TOTALLY FROSTY MAN
09:58:28 <sbp> FROSTY IS BARELY LUKEMILD
09:59:01 <_bjoern> nu
09:59:12 <sbp> nm?
09:59:26 <sbp> or ni?
09:59:45 <sbp> oh fine, I'll look at this pile of arse translation bug
10:01:01 <sbp> ah, the fact that world.altavista.com isn't responding might have something to do with it...
10:02:41 <_bjoern> http://xkcd.com/16/
10:03:03 <Arnia> sbp: hey, why not? :)
10:05:10 <sbp> _bjoern: so, the knights who say nu?
10:05:21 <sbp> I think we might have done that one too though
10:08:03 <Arnia> fixed
10:09:03 <_bjoern> .swhack the knights who say
10:09:42 <phenny> _bjoern: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-04-27#T18-27-31
10:10:08 <_bjoern> H M M M
10:10:12 <sbp> .swhack who say nu
10:10:35 <sbp> .gcs lukemild lukecool lukecold
10:10:46 <_bjoern> I'm quite certain I made a related joke not too long ago. Perhaps loggy was off.
10:10:52 <phenny> sbp: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-02-11#T11-32-01
10:11:03 <sbp> there we go
10:11:06 <phenny> lukecool (752), lukecold (540), lukemild (0)
10:11:13 <_bjoern> ah the the
10:11:14 <sbp> no the
10:11:17 <_bjoern> .swhack knights who say
10:11:42 <phenny> _bjoern: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-02-11#T11-32-01
10:11:47 <_bjoern> .gc lukefrosty
10:11:58 <phenny> lukefrosty: 0
10:12:01 <_bjoern> .nu
10:12:08 <sbp> .yi
10:12:08 <phenny> Not yet...
10:13:23 <_bjoern> hmm, almost? he needs any reason at all? http://xkcd.com/
10:14:04 <sbp> anybody would want to redo high school?
10:14:14 <sbp> they'd surely be mad to an extraordinary level
10:14:42 <_bjoern> Is that the new #Swhack tagline?
10:16:52 <sbp> http://xkcd.com/417/ is hilarious
10:16:56 <sbp> _bjoern: sure, add it to the FAQ
10:17:02 <sbp> if you're using a real browser yet, I mean
10:17:46 * sbp continues reading backlogs of explosm
10:17:49 <sbp> currently at http://www.explosm.net/comics/679/
10:21:26 <sbp> http://www.explosm.net/comics/660/ - MAD STREET CRED
10:21:28 <_bjoern> OMG Wine 1.0 RC1
10:21:36 <_bjoern> They might eventually release something after all.
10:23:08 <_bjoern> "Bugs fixed... 8069 FAR manager 1.70(build 2087): keeps printing "fixme:curses:WCCURSES_GetEvents Ooch. somebody beat us", and doesn't work."
10:23:46 <sbp> http://www.explosm.net/comics/649/
10:26:23 <_bjoern> .gc spass-verdoppler
10:26:35 <phenny> spass-verdoppler: 6
10:27:02 <_bjoern> .wik Capri Sonne
10:27:34 <phenny> "Capri Sun is a brand of juice drink owned by the German Company WILD (Chairman Dr. Hans-Peter Wild) and sold in silver pouches." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capri_Sun
10:28:29 <_bjoern> "Kraft Foods has yet to make any efforts to improve the taste of the flavor, despite the hundreds of thousands of complaints they have received regarding it."
10:30:10 <sbp> awesome
10:30:19 <sbp> "Dear WILD
10:30:27 <sbp> I drink your juices every day.
10:30:31 <sbp> But they taste very shitty.
10:30:49 <sbp> Please change the taste of the flavour.
10:30:50 <sbp> Yours,
10:30:50 <Monty> IS TEH BROKE U SUXX HAZZA BUGZ
10:30:53 <sbp> Me."
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10:34:53 <sbp> .ety talisman
10:35:08 <phenny> "1638, from Fr. talisman, in part via Arabic tilsam (pl. tilsaman), a Gk. loan-word; in part directly from Byzantine Gk. telesma 'talisman, religious rite, payment,' earlier 'consecration, ceremony,' originally 'completion,' from telein 'perform (religious rites), pay [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=talisman
10:35:22 <sbp> .ety token
10:35:37 <phenny> "O.E. tacen 'sign, symbol, evidence' (related to tæcan 'show, explain, teach'), from P.Gmc. *taiknan (cf. O.S. tekan, O.N. teikn 'zodiac sign, omen, token,' O.Fris., M.Du. teken, Du. teken, O.H.G. zeihhan, Ger. zeichen, Goth. taikn 'sign, token'), from PIE base *deik- [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=token
10:38:09 <nsh> .gs lenny bruce is not *
10:38:20 <phenny> lenny bruce is not *: afraid (75), his utterances (2), backw (2), afriad (2)
10:38:57 <MoiraA_> hi
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10:40:10 <_bjoern> .gc Sappalot
10:40:21 <phenny> Sappalot: 6,550
10:40:39 <sbp> .gc Sapphoholic
10:40:49 <phenny> Sapphoholic: 23
10:40:51 <sbp> .gc Sappholic
10:41:02 <phenny> Sappholic: 367
10:41:24 <_bjoern> .gcs Potz-Blitz Donnerwetter
10:41:45 <phenny> Donnerwetter (1,460,000), Potz-Blitz (92,700)
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10:47:31 <sbp> .u comb under
10:47:32 <phenny> U+20E8 COMBINING TRIPLE UNDERDOT (◌⃨)
10:47:43 <sbp> .u comb unders
10:47:44 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no results for 'comb unders'.
10:47:46 <sbp> .u comb line be
10:47:47 <phenny> U+0329 COMBINING VERTICAL LINE BELOW (◌̩)
10:47:55 <sbp> .u comb hor line be
10:47:56 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no results for 'comb hor line be'.
10:48:07 <sbp> .u comb das be
10:48:07 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no results for 'comb das be'.
10:48:10 <sbp> .u comb bar be
10:48:10 <Monty> "you"
10:48:11 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no results for 'comb bar be'.
10:48:14 <sbp> U
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11:03:58 <Monty> howdy, lordi
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11:06:19 <sbp> .gc bountiny-on-the muty
11:06:28 <sbp> .gc bountiny-on-the-muty
11:06:29 <phenny> bountiny-on-the muty: 0
11:06:38 <phenny> bountiny-on-the-muty: 0
11:06:40 <sbp> pfft
11:06:53 <sbp> .gc bountiny
11:07:03 <phenny> bountiny: 55
11:12:58 <laplink> .u combining below
11:12:58 <phenny> U+0323 COMBINING DOT BELOW (◌̣)
11:13:08 <laplink> .u combining above
11:13:09 <phenny> U+033D COMBINING X ABOVE (◌̽)
11:13:33 <sbp> funny, the dot changes the size of the circle
11:13:46 <_bjoern> nu
11:13:58 <_bjoern> because all this combining above and below is making u dirty thoughts.
11:14:15 <sbp> .u cock above
11:14:15 <Monty> "you"
11:14:16 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no results for 'cock above'.
11:14:31 <sbp> surely Swhack is nothing but dirty thoughts?
11:14:45 <sbp> even this line is inherently dirty
11:14:55 <laplink> .gc combining cock above
11:14:57 <sbp> this one too! (cocks)
11:15:16 <phenny> combining cock above: 709,000
11:15:21 <laplink> What is up with you today phenny?
11:15:44 <_bjoern> the internet is slow today, I noticed that too
11:16:12 <sbp> .gc "the interslow"
11:16:12 <Monty> Can she fancies going up?
11:16:22 <phenny> "the interslow": 2
11:16:28 <sbp> even Monty is dirty
11:16:34 <Monty> AU$77 for example. lol sorry, iguess http://www.mobitopia.org/mobibot/ is there has signed bit more telling
11:16:53 <sbp> lvl 15
11:17:42 <laplink> Meh. I hate the UI nerd that decided a list view made sense where dragging vertically selects multiple list items, but dragging horizontally starts a drag of the current selection.
11:18:05 <sbp> I was just thinking today that checkboxes should be REALLY BIG where possible
11:18:30 <sbp> everything is wrong with UI
11:18:35 <sbp> they should just start again
11:19:21 <_bjoern> nUI?
11:19:22 <laplink> They should let Joe do the UI paradigm design, and issue free LSD with every copy sold.
11:19:27 <sbp> heh
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11:19:46 <Arnia> Not often I get referred to by my real name in IRC
11:19:49 <_bjoern> ah like in the russian school you mean.
11:19:55 <Arnia> And I resent the LSD comment ;)
11:20:00 <laplink> :-)
11:20:07 <sbp> I didn't even know who he was talking about until you said
11:20:17 <_bjoern> Why would you resend it, it got here just fine.
11:20:32 <_bjoern> Joe Average of course.
11:20:49 <sbp> that's what I'd figured. Joe Bloggs, any old Joe
11:21:06 <_bjoern> .wik Joe Average
11:21:09 <sbp> which didn't make senses
11:21:17 <phenny> "Joe Average is a Canadian artist who lives in Vancouver, British Columbia." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Average
11:21:22 <sbp> it didn't even make half a sense
11:21:32 <laplink> Who else on here is plotting to reinvent user interfaces?
11:21:39 <sbp> all of us?
11:21:44 <_bjoern> I'd think so.
11:21:47 <sbp> admittedly only one of us is called Joe
11:22:05 <_bjoern> That's what they want you to believe.
11:22:20 <sbp> so why not believe it, if they want me to believe it so badly?
11:22:36 <sbp> if people go to the effort to get you to believe something, why not oblige them?
11:22:41 <laplink> No, no. You lot tinker. “Joe” conspires to completely replace them.
11:22:51 <_bjoern> To find out what sound they make when they get pwnd?
11:22:56 <Arnia> sbp: did you finish the paper?
11:23:02 <sbp> that would be so cool
11:23:03 <sbp> Arnia: yep!
11:23:09 <Arnia> Thoughts?
11:23:25 <_bjoern> I am predominantly interested in eliminating the U component of UIs.
11:23:29 <sbp> I liked the conclusion. it really sticks in the mind well, which I guess is what all conclusions should do
11:23:47 <sbp> the introduction wasn't as good. it was a bit hard for me to assemble together what you were going to say
11:23:58 <sbp> but then it started to pick up as it launched into the main part of the paper
11:24:18 <Arnia> Do you think it hangs together and says something of interest?
11:24:28 <sbp> I was trying to remember if that Bussler guy was the one we all hated
11:24:37 <sbp> but I figured you wouldn't give him a positive reference if that were so
11:24:46 <Arnia> Right... I've got to go
11:24:48 <Arnia> Speak later
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11:24:52 <sbp> c'ya!
11:24:56 <sbp> (yep I do)
11:25:04 <sbp> (just about)
11:25:43 <sbp> I should talk to you about cogs at some point
11:26:40 <laplink> We are all just cogs in your reasoning machine?
11:26:44 <_bjoern> After all the cock talk earlier that'd be good.
11:26:51 <sbp> _bjoern: so you're saying there should be No U?
11:26:53 <laplink> .gcs cogs cocks
11:27:06 <_bjoern> Yes, subtle that, wasn't it.
11:27:11 <sbp> :-)
11:27:15 <phenny> cocks (39,400,000), cogs (175,000)
11:27:15 <_bjoern> .gc clogs
11:27:26 <phenny> clogs: 7,970,000
11:28:07 <laplink> Way too many cocks clogging up the cogs; no wonder the machine ain't work none too good.
11:28:46 <laplink> <sbp> I have cocks on my mind
11:30:17 <laplink> sbp2002: What's on your mind?
11:30:52 <laplink> I want my money back.
11:31:05 <sbp> cock-a-doodle doo / xover said "no you" / and choked all our nicks / with a bucket of dicks / cock-a-doodle doo
11:31:22 <sbp> sbp2002 are borkens
11:31:33 <sbp> link to past is experiencing difficulties
11:31:34 <laplink> Ah, when did you recover?
11:31:40 <sbp> 2003?
11:32:01 <sbp> 2002.5?
11:32:08 <laplink> We need to fine tune sbp2002's temporal knob then.
11:32:09 <sbp> Stardate, supplementary
11:32:26 <sbp> all the chicks want to fine tune sbp2002's temporal knob
11:32:50 <laplink> .gcs "temporal knob" "magic stick"
11:33:11 <phenny> "magic stick" (1,050,000), "temporal knob" (21)
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12:31:45 <jsled> Sightseeing in Liberty City: http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthewj/sets/72157604988911230/detail/
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13:20:22 <Morbus> http://www.dallasnews.com/video/index.html?nvid=243976
13:20:45 <Morbus> hoochie mama+
13:24:02 <sbp> 11 news is always awesome
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14:00:32 <Arnia> Back
14:00:48 <slanning> where does the ".gs" command come from? (I guess some module)
14:02:59 <nsh> phenny: ask sbp what module .gs is implement in
14:02:59 <phenny> nsh: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
14:04:38 <slanning> I mostly want to know how the hell it works :)
14:04:40 <nsh> .g inurl:http://inamidst.com/phenny/ gs
14:04:41 <phenny> nsh: http://inamidst.com/phenny/modules/weather.py
14:06:15 <nsh> slanning: i guess something like google->" [first half of string] NEAR [second half of string]", grab first hundred results and count the occurances of each word that goes between the two halfs of the query string
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14:08:05 <nsh> Arnia: how goes?
14:08:50 <Arnia> Ok. hopefully about to submit another paper
14:09:10 <Arnia> Just sat in the pub for an hour planning the next seven papers and my thesis
14:10:05 <nsh> seven papers
14:10:14 <nsh> that's crazy
14:10:31 <Arnia> Well, six papers and an article for Communications of the ACM
14:10:53 <Arnia> Oh, plus I should write The Active Web essay up for IEEE Internet Systems
14:11:22 <nsh> so, what are the papers about?
14:11:36 <Arnia> Assuming they all get accepted, that would be 13 articles in the past twelve months
14:11:38 <Arnia> hm
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14:11:40 <Arnia> Anyway
14:11:53 <Arnia> nsh: want the titles? They're pretty self-descriptive
14:12:04 <nsh> sure mang
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14:13:06 <Arnia> "Balancing Conflict on the Semantic Web: A Non-Axiomatic Ontology Language"
14:13:15 <Arnia> (mostly written already)
14:13:34 <Arnia> "Making Information Active" (the CACM article)
14:13:48 <Arnia> "Integrating Non-Axiomatic Reasoning with Existing Information Systems"
14:13:58 <Arnia> "A Cognitive Classification of Requirements"
14:14:10 <Arnia> "Quick Question Answering for Non-Axiomatic Reasoning"
14:14:24 <Arnia> "Beyond Verb-Noun: Structured Tags for Resource Annotation"
14:14:37 <Arnia> "Two Approaches to a Non-Axiomatic Semantics for RDF"
14:16:22 <nsh> they all sound quite interesting
14:17:01 <nsh> did you finish Making Information Active already?
14:17:05 <Arnia> They're just off the top of my head
14:17:16 <Arnia> No. That one is a to-write thingy
14:17:22 <nsh> ah, ok
14:17:37 <Arnia> Shouldn't take too long though... it is essay style, which I find the easiest to write in
14:17:48 <Arnia> Probably no more than a day or so
14:18:41 * nsh gets lost in diffraction grating of computer speakers
14:21:14 <Arnia> hah
14:21:37 <Arnia> anyway... the reason I've planned these papers is that I'm going to write my thesis paper by paper
14:22:14 <nsh> the thesis you end up completing may not be the thesis you commence
14:22:27 <Arnia> The idea of writing over 200 pages at once is too much to deal with, so I'm instead going to divide it up into a number of pithy parts which I can write and feel good about finishing
14:23:15 <Arnia> Sheer word count isn't enough for me to feel like I've accomplished something. I need to be able to put the chapters to bed
14:23:38 <nsh> use chloroform
14:24:03 <Arnia> :p
14:24:08 <nsh> there's a certain narrow band of focal lengths at which the speaker grating gets much brighter
14:24:20 <nsh> but it's hard to hold
14:27:35 <nsh> hrm
14:27:52 <nsh> .gc "causal feedback"
14:27:52 <phenny> "causal feedback": 4,100
14:28:04 <nsh> that's much higher than i expected
14:28:17 <nsh> god damn
14:28:20 <nsh> fucking social sciences
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14:29:40 <nsh> there should be academic penalties for camping on phrase-space
14:29:46 <Arnia> Hm... http://firef.ly/
14:29:55 <Arnia> nsh: I'd have to pay a fortune
14:30:11 <nsh> true
14:30:54 <Arnia> was hoping you wouldn't agree
14:31:14 <nsh> it was mimed agreement
14:31:48 <nsh> making actual assements requiring recall faculties is attentionally expensive
14:32:00 <sbp> I'LL ATTENTION YOU
14:32:00 <phenny> sbp: 14:50Z <nsh> ask sbp what module .gs is implement in
14:32:00 <nsh> it's usually better just to smile and nod a lot
14:32:07 <sbp> a secret one
14:32:15 <nsh> flaut so
14:32:32 <sbp> I've been reading this:
14:32:34 <sbp> .wik Science wars
14:32:35 <phenny> "The Science wars were a series of intellectual battles in the 1990s between 'postmodernists' and 'realists' (though neither party would likely use the terms to describe themselves) about the nature of scientific theories." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_wars
14:32:43 <sbp> good stuff, especially if you taft from it somewhat
14:33:08 <nsh> wait
14:33:33 <nsh> "The realists countered that there is such a thing as objective scientific knowledge"
14:33:52 <nsh> this is the first wiki article i've ever wanted to plaster witih [citation needed]
14:34:12 <nsh> or at least, the first paragraph that i've read
14:34:17 <nsh> as generalisations are attentionally cheap
14:36:13 <sbp> come on man, ignore that, start spacetafting across the spaceniverse!
14:36:15 <nsh> i like Lakatos' perpsective
14:36:22 <nsh> mmmm, spacetafting
14:36:24 <sbp> whoo, there you go
14:36:36 <sbp> I write more about this in the series of essays that I'm writing
14:36:43 <Arnia> My response "what is objective, what is scientific and what is knowledge"
14:36:54 <sbp> somehow I started writing about poetic theory and æsthetics and arrived at the philosophy of mathematics and science
14:36:55 <Arnia> but now off to see the supervisor
14:37:20 <Arnia> sbp: if you have any further criticism, please PM me so I can make the changes once I get back and then submit
14:37:30 <sbp> okey dokey
14:37:32 <nsh> SUBMIT
14:37:36 <nsh> .ety submit
14:37:36 <phenny> "c.1374, 'to place (oneself) under the control of another,' from L. submittere 'to yield, lower, let down, put under, reduce,' from sub 'under' + mittere 'let go, send.' Sense of 'refer to another for consideration' first recorded 1560." - http://etymonline.com/?term=submit
14:37:41 <sbp> I mainly wanted to discuss cogs with you though
14:38:02 <nsh> YIELD YE YOUR THESES
14:38:04 <sbp> submit = undergo!
14:38:18 <nsh> .gs yield ye *
14:38:19 <phenny> yield ye *: your (12), youths (3), your members (2), writers (2), when she chooses (2), scurvy knave (2), not pseudoapostolis (2), mournful (2), grace (2)
14:38:22 <sbp> well, kinda
14:38:24 <nsh> .gs yield ye your *
14:38:25 <phenny> yield ye your *: members (75), members unto (3)
14:38:31 <sbp> more like underyield
14:39:11 <sbp> .gc buxine
14:39:12 <phenny> buxine: 3,680
14:39:31 <sbp> you just can't buy that kind of publicity
14:39:47 <sbp> .gcs "sex on legs" "sex on pogo sticks" "sex on field marshal rommels"
14:39:49 <phenny> "sex on legs" (118,000), "sex on pogo sticks" (0), "sex on field marshal rommels" (0)
14:40:05 <sbp> the web isn't very inventive
14:40:24 <sbp> at least we're gradually solving that though
14:41:09 * nsh smiles
14:42:21 <nsh> .wik The two cultures
14:42:22 <phenny> "The Two Cultures is the title of an influential 1959 Rede Lecture by British scientist and novelist C.P. Snow." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Cultures
14:42:54 <sbp> C.P. Snow just pops up everywhere
14:43:05 <nsh> hrnmm
14:43:18 <nsh> .wik Pronesis
14:43:19 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Pronesis".
14:43:21 <nsh> .wik Phronesis
14:43:23 <phenny> "Phronesis (Greek: φρόνησις) in Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics is the virtue of moral thought, usually translated 'practical wisdom', sometimes as 'prudence'." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phronesis
14:43:31 <nsh> i'm sure i ought to have encountered that term before
14:43:38 <nsh> and yet i have no recollection of it
14:46:08 <nsh> i'm as critical of the academy as they come, but this Bruno Latour guy sounds like a prick
14:46:18 <procto> sbp: not *that* crm114
14:47:02 <sbp> heh, I was just reading the Latour Wikipedia page
14:47:06 <sbp> have it up in my browser right now
14:49:51 <nsh> appears to be from the "make shit up and call it scholarship" camp
14:49:58 <sbp> hehe
14:50:18 <sbp> cf. Ginsparg's comment though
14:50:30 <sbp> 'others such as Cornell physics professor Paul Ginsparg have argued that the cases are not at all similar and that the fact some journals and scientific institutions have low or variable standards is "hardly a revelation"'
14:50:46 <sbp> extend it to individual scientists and whee!
14:51:09 * nsh smiles
14:51:10 <sbp> that's actually a great little slogan
14:51:13 <sbp> Ginsparg's Law
14:51:19 <sbp> “that's hardly a revelation”
14:51:27 * nsh smiles
14:51:54 <sbp> when someone gets angry at someone being wrong on the interwebs now, I'm gonna braf Ginsparg's Law on 'em
14:52:03 <sbp> braffing is radshit
14:52:51 <nsh> Ginsparg's Law: any seemingly notable observation can be reformulated as a completely obvious result.
14:53:00 <sbp> ehheh
14:53:10 <nsh> i was thinking about this the other day actually
14:53:14 <nsh> can't remember the context though
14:53:24 <nsh> it had echos of trope
14:53:28 <chandler> Ginsparg's Corrolary: any obvious idea can be made to sound notable to a patent examiner
14:53:29 <nsh> echoes too
14:53:37 <sbp> chandler: ha!
14:53:40 <nsh> chandler++
14:53:55 <sbp> I've still not gotten over that flower waving discovery
14:54:10 <nsh> i wasn't that impressed, but i think i read it diagonally
14:54:22 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7388689.stm
14:54:24 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Flowers 'wave' at passing insects
14:54:31 <sbp> for ye logs and benefitte of all human beyings
14:55:04 <nsh> all i got was "flowers blow about in the wind instead of investing in sturdy stems and they do it because it makes insects gives them more sex"
14:55:10 <sbp> nsh: it's not a huge discovery in itself, but two things struck me as remarkable about it. 1) it seems very, very obvious and yet nobody had thought about it before. 2) the method of discovery was exceptionally intuitive
14:55:24 <nsh> i read the again
14:55:26 <chandler> I didn't get from that article how exactly the wobbling attracts the insects
14:56:05 <sbp> chandler: good question. and I wondered whether the frequency and amplitude effect it
14:56:22 <sbp> also whether it differs for different insects. can you tune your waving frequency to attract certain insects?
14:56:43 <sbp> probably it's not quite that well organised, but can't rule it out
14:56:49 <chandler> Intuitively I'd have guessed that moving about in the wind causes bits of pollen to get dispersed in the air, which then attracts passing insects. I guess the idea here is that the insects see the wobble?
14:56:57 <sbp> yeah
14:57:07 <sbp> it does explicitly state that in the news article
14:57:26 <sbp> paragraphs six and seven
14:57:40 <nsh> i would have written the article better
14:57:45 <nsh> with like science and references and stuff
14:57:49 <sbp> yeah
14:57:52 <nsh> maybe i should start asking the bbc for money
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14:58:00 <nsh> and when they want to know why they should give me money
14:58:05 <sbp> hehe. just don't pay your license fee, see if they let you keep it
14:58:11 <nsh> i'll show them all the better they could have in their journs
14:58:23 * nsh doesn't pay fees :-)
14:58:24 <sbp> bread and better
14:58:26 <sbp> heh
14:58:52 <nsh> i don't think
14:59:02 <nsh> mm
14:59:15 <nsh> nope, don't think i've ever paid for something that i haven't recieved as an object
14:59:27 <nsh> albeit in some cases a token, like a cinema ticket
14:59:43 <sbp> one of the other questions it raises is what other kinds of things are out there waiting to be noticed that we haven't, and what kind of methods we might set up for finding them. we're not very good at expecting the unexpected
14:59:44 <chandler> science journalism is uniformly horrible by being either misleading or incomplete
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15:00:05 <chandler> or just plain confusing
15:00:06 <sbp> I suppose anticipating and cultivating the unexpected would be a more accurate way to formulate it, but less comic
15:00:25 <nsh> mmm
15:00:25 <sbp> chandler: sometimes it's even just wrong for the sake of readership
15:00:39 <nsh> my new profession: cultivator of the unexpected
15:00:56 <sbp> cf. the oxyrhynchus manuscript reportings we uncovered here on ye swhackke
15:01:04 <nsh> JUST PLANTING MAH RAND SEEDS MANG. DON' HATE
15:01:08 <sbp> hehe
15:01:18 <nsh> caps are just too big in chatzilla
15:01:21 <sbp> serendipity seeds
15:01:24 <chandler> sbp: I usually attribute that to the journalist reading the paper poorly and drawing the conclusion that most interests them
15:01:41 <chandler> instead of the actually correct conclusion
15:01:46 <sbp> chandler: I suspect in some cases one can't be that kind
15:01:48 <nsh> i wonder what a coat made from bumble-bee hair would feel like
15:01:56 <sbp> I actually emailed a journalist once who'd really, really fucked up
15:02:00 <sbp> wonder if I can find that
15:03:23 <chandler> everyone I've known who's gone to J-school has been unbelievably ignorant, vapid, and self-important, so I usually go for the "ignorance" instead of "malice" explanation
15:03:26 <chandler> you may be less charitable than me
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15:06:16 <sbp> I am more charitable to the universe
15:06:31 <sbp> the non-crap-journalist part of it, anyway
15:06:37 <sbp> (I just took the average)
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15:17:35 <procto> .title http://www.mockingeye.com/index.php/2008/05/13/checking-in-to-brightkite/
15:22:41 <phenny> procto: The Mocking Eye / Checking in to Brightkite
15:27:25 * nsh goes the home eat
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15:47:11 <Arnia> Back (again)
15:48:45 <Monty> FLUFFWINIANS
15:50:00 <cre8radix> .gs cre8radix is *
15:50:00 <phenny> cre8radix is *: now (2), involved (2), a (2)
15:50:53 <_bjoern> ⁅off⁆ ]on[
15:51:50 <_bjoern> I HAZ COMETH BACK
15:51:53 <_bjoern> from shoe shopping
15:58:52 <_bjoern> .title http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2008/05/3375884
15:58:53 <phenny> _bjoern: ARMED FORCES JOURNAL - Carpet bombing in cyberspace - May 2008
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16:00:35 <Monty> thanks, I solveds that made erotic, living
16:00:46 <_bjoern> "After that, the Air Force could add botnet code to all its desktop computers attached to the Nonsecret Internet Protocol Network (NIPRNet). Once the system reaches a level of maturity, it can add other .mil computers, then .gov machines."
16:01:01 <TedThibodeauJr> procto - you may benefit from a look at OAT, which gives you 4 mapping services to choose from -- http://demo.openlinksw.com/oatdemo/index.html?mashups -- and a browser-based IDE form designer -- http://demo.openlinksw.com/formdesigner/
16:01:48 <_bjoern> .title http://technology.newscientist.com/article/dn13880-vending-machine-can-spot-a-youthful-face.html
16:01:50 <phenny> _bjoern: Vending machine can spot a youthful face - tech - 12 May 2008 - New Scientist Tech
16:01:59 <_bjoern> "Cigarette vending machines in Japan will soon be able to judge their user's age from their appearance."
16:02:13 <_bjoern> half a million face recognition machines to be deployed around the country.
16:02:17 <_bjoern> sweet.
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16:04:12 <procto> TedThibodeauJr: hmm, interesting
16:04:22 <TedThibodeauJr> whoops! change that second URL to http://oat.openlinksw.com/formdesigner/ for one that finishes loading
16:04:49 <TedThibodeauJr> (demo is more volatile, typically with more recent cuts of the code ...)
16:05:09 <nsh> i bet you cut the code with all sorts
16:05:19 <nsh> baking soda, flour, anything that'll up the weight
16:05:24 <nsh> i know your type
16:06:55 <TedThibodeauJr> sometimes it's better to start with existing tech, than to reinvent the wheel... :-)
16:07:11 <procto> TedThibodeauJr: all the demos fail with a 500 error
16:07:16 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp I found evidence of your illegal online activities on http://www.piratbyran.org/bevismaskinen/ - please transfer 1 000 CAD to my account by tomorrow or I'll pass http://g.photos.cx/_screen-af.png on to the authorities.
16:07:16 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
16:07:32 <TedThibodeauJr> procto - grr... minute
16:08:16 <nsh> wait
16:08:16 <nsh> all that loading javascript was just so i could have a wysiwyg html editor?
16:08:20 <_bjoern> .title http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html
16:08:23 <phenny> _bjoern: [SECURITY] [DSA 1571-1] New openssl packages fix predictable random number generator
16:08:30 <nsh> oh, wait, other potentially coolness detected
16:08:37 <TedThibodeauJr> oh, good
16:08:43 <chandler> _bjoern: yeah, that sucks
16:09:27 <TedThibodeauJr> the data-linking stuff is the most swoopy feature, I think
16:09:42 <procto> TedThibodeauJr: you work in the burlington office?
16:09:52 <TedThibodeauJr> procto - yes
16:10:07 <procto> are you near oracle and where genuity used to be? that office park?
16:10:35 <TedThibodeauJr> procto - "near" but not in. we're across from the Marriott, on Mall Road
16:11:53 <_bjoern> .gs daddy * me and I loved it
16:11:54 <phenny> daddy * me and I loved it: fucked (43)
16:12:40 <chandler> .gc "mango chai latte"
16:12:41 <phenny> "mango chai latte": 7
16:17:36 <procto> it will also notify you that a bus has crashed in location X downtown
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16:19:17 <chandler> .title http://www.dash.net/
16:19:18 <phenny> chandler: Dash: The Only Internet Connected Automotive GPS - Drive Smart!
16:19:56 <Arnia> hm... I'm submission 38 to the BCS conference with seven hours until submission closes
16:20:09 * Arnia would have thought it would have been more popular than that
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16:22:55 <nsh> .ety arrogative
16:23:01 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "arrogative". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=arrogative
16:23:05 <nsh> .ety arrogate
16:23:05 <phenny> "1537, from L. arrogat-, pp. stem of arrogare 'to claim for oneself' (see arrogance)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=arrogate
16:24:15 <nsh> .wik DSL
16:24:16 <phenny> "DSL or xDSL, is a family of technologies that provide digital data transmission over the wires of a local telephone network." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSL
16:24:23 <chandler> heh.
16:24:25 <procto> .wik domain specific language
16:24:25 <phenny> "The term domain-specific language (DSL) has become popular in recent years in software development to indicate a programming language or specification language dedicated to a particular problem domain, a particular problem representation technique, and/or a particular [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_specific_language
16:24:29 <nsh> that one
16:25:23 <nsh> .gs death by german *
16:25:23 <phenny> death by german *: soldiers (3), rifle butts (2), peter parler (2), farmers (2), authorities (2), abwehr (2)
16:25:57 <chandler> I'm also a Lisper, which means that I know more about DSLs than most people
16:28:14 * chandler prints
16:32:19 <Arnia> Gah... I HATE WORD. It keeps adding 'error reference source not found' for a reference which isn't actually in the document
16:32:27 <Arnia> It only appears once I try and produce a PDF
16:32:43 * Arnia imagines that peer review won't reject the paper on the grounds that Word is an arse
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16:37:17 <Monty> hooray for live in part of something like: all axioms can pick it at it :P
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16:42:53 <Monty> err, wrong guy, but what else does.)
16:44:41 <nsh> .gs diegetic *
16:44:44 <phenny> diegetic *: narrator (3), conundrum (3), appellative (3), universe (2), temporality (2), symbolism (2), sound (2), music's (2), music (2), level (2), gazes (2)
16:46:11 <TedThibodeauJr> maybe DSN ?
16:46:11 <Monty> (30 509 / i try it diagonally
16:46:18 <TedThibodeauJr> gah, damn scroll lock...
16:49:09 <TedThibodeauJr> procto - you might consider coming to http://esw.w3.org/topic/CambridgeSemanticWebGatherings/Meeting/2008-05-13_Gathering
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16:50:05 <TedThibodeauJr> the boss and I will be there, unless this spring cold powers up and knocks me out in the next few hours, and he'll be there either way
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16:54:15 <Arnia> Back (again again)
16:54:20 <Arnia> I sound like a Tellytubby
16:55:05 <procto> TedThibodeauJr: oh, hm! I shall, actually
16:55:17 <procto> TedThibodeauJr: I'll be the one with the large bright orange bag
16:56:41 <TedThibodeauJr> procto - I'll be the tall one in glasses, Dogbert's New Ruling Class denim jacket, and black Rites of Spring shirt...
16:57:20 <procto> TedThibodeauJr: how do find the place within the stata center?
16:57:23 <procto> I've never been inside
17:03:48 <procto> geospatial intelligence from open and proprietary sources with ambient access via an open infrastructure
17:03:51 <procto> something like that?
17:04:16 <procto> wrong winder
17:07:22 <TedThibodeauJr> hm. navigating that place can be a challenge. lessee... if you can find the Au Bon Pain counter, on the first floor, then look off to the left of it -- you should see a couple of elevators, through a lobby library/workstation space. 4th floor, turn right from the elevators, follow the hall to the left, then mostly straight, through the odd hallway dining room. you'll pass the pub on the right, and Star will be ahead on your
17:07:22 <TedThibodeauJr> left. there are some signs and people are usually helpful.
17:07:52 <procto> if I ask for Star people would tend to know where it is?
17:08:14 <MoiraA> hello TedThibodeauJr
17:08:27 <MoiraA> crikey - your nick almost takes up the entire first line
17:08:47 <TedThibodeauJr> :-)
17:09:04 <TedThibodeauJr> procto - certainly once you get to the 4th floor, more people are likely to have the clue
17:10:06 <TedThibodeauJr> I try to get there a bit early and grab a cup of coffee on my way up -- if you want to hang around ABP and watch for me, I can play guide
17:10:36 <TedThibodeauJr> it might be time to drop the formal nick...
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17:11:02 <MoiraA> lol better :)
17:11:16 <MoiraA> MacTed is *so* much nicer!
17:13:22 <MacTed> :-)
17:17:21 <procto> MacTed: well, I'll see you there, then :)
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17:24:35 <MacTed> cool beans.
17:35:06 <xover> iTed?
17:35:37 <Arnia> With added RDF
17:35:51 <Arnia> (I'll leave it up to you what RDF I'm referring to)
17:53:30 <procto> MacTed: what's ABP?
17:57:31 <_bjoern> izback
17:59:02 <sbp> yo
18:02:48 <chandler> Arnia: I had a skim over your paper at lunch
18:03:22 <chandler> Arnia: There was a lot of jargon there, so it got filed in my mental bucket of "things I'm not smart enough to understand"
18:04:07 <_bjoern> There is still some time left for you to transfer 1 000 CAD sbp.
18:04:13 <sbp> nu!
18:04:17 <Arnia> :/
18:04:18 <Arnia> Damn
18:04:56 <_bjoern> I didn't get caught! I don't pay. Not getting caught lvl 0.
18:06:41 <_bjoern> Today I bought 2 pairs of good trekking shoes for 5 EUR each.
18:07:08 <chandler> Arnia: it's not a negative statement; that bucket just holds anything I read that seems like it was designed to sound academic
18:07:15 <_bjoern> My young female cashier was all OMG UR MAKIN QUITE A BARGAIN HERE!
18:07:27 <_bjoern> And I was all MY THOUGHTS XCACTLY
18:07:29 <Arnia> chandler: it is designed to be accurate and precise :/
18:07:44 <chandler> well, *that's* not going to get you published
18:08:06 <Arnia> It has so far
18:08:09 <chandler> (sorry, my cynicism is showing)
18:09:32 <sbp> _bjoern: did they match?
18:09:36 <sbp> er, I mean, do they match?
18:10:29 <chandler> Arnia: the lack of line breaks between paragraphs and the sans-serif font didn't help much, but I'm guessing that was imposed on you by the conference
18:10:49 <Arnia> YEah
18:10:51 <Arnia> yeah
18:10:53 <Arnia> Annoying
18:10:57 <Arnia> (I hate Arial)
18:11:29 <chandler> anyway, both the semantic web and category theory are also in that mental bucket of mine, so when I start seeing related jargon my eyes glaze over
18:11:31 <sbp> yeah, the typography is terribles
18:11:38 <sbp> not enough whitespace *anywhere*
18:11:48 <sbp> line height, all margins, paragraph spacing, everything
18:12:01 <Arnia> Hey... I'm not happy either :(
18:14:14 <sbp> it is annoying having to conform to other people's style guides
18:14:58 <_bjoern> Yeah, I see no reason to give them away for that price, unless they really really really want to get rid of them.
18:15:43 <Arnia> Oh well
18:19:22 <chandler> Arnia: I guess what I would have been looking for here is a precise model of what a Cog is spelled out in some sort of formal notation (even *cough* MOF), along with a distillation of why this is a useful future direction for the web and how it can be achieved. I'm sure if you grok semantic web jargon, your paper does satisfy that, but I don't and so quite a lot of it went *woosh* over my head.
18:20:21 <Arnia> hm
18:20:25 <sbp> WEIGHTINGS
18:20:26 <sbp> great word
18:20:46 <sbp> Arnia: also, incorporate all of this feedback within five hours or whatever
18:20:51 <sbp> DO IT
18:22:14 <MacTed> procto - ABP == Au Bon Pain, the coffee counter in Stata... :-)
18:22:15 <sbp> _bjoern: ha! I understand things now
18:22:16 <Arnia> ARGH
18:22:19 <sbp> somehow missed the phenny message
18:22:26 * Arnia is scared by the idea
18:22:33 <Arnia> But I'm all written out for today :/
18:22:39 <procto> MacTed: ah
18:22:42 <sbp> also... who took the screenshot? eh? what? eh?
18:22:45 <chandler> Arnia: just ignore my feedback. It's not of much use to anyone doing anything academic.
18:22:47 <procto> MacTed: I'll probably be there a tad early, too
18:22:52 <sbp> Arnia: yeah, mine too
18:22:59 <sbp> it seems pretty grand
18:23:09 <sbp> knowing when to stop painting and all that
18:23:26 <Arnia> chandler: this is a BCS paper, which means I'm unsure how to target it :/
18:23:38 <Arnia> Too late now though. Got to put it down and try better next time
18:23:39 <chandler> I would like to understand the idea more at some point. I took away from this "
18:23:41 <chandler> oops
18:23:52 <sbp> "
18:23:59 <Arnia> (this is just an attempt to raise funding from research councils)
18:24:03 <sbp> please clean up your quotes after yourself
18:24:03 <chandler> "compsing the web out of agents" and a distinctly McLuhanesque vibe, which does interest me
18:24:14 <chandler> sbp: sorry, return is right next to the quote
18:24:31 <sbp> yeah, well, I sympathise
18:24:39 <sbp> my picnic bench is right next to my arrow keys
18:24:41 <MacTed> procto - my timing is somewhat variable, as I leave Burlington ~5pm, and then fight traffic ... and now must drive around the blocks to find parking, since they've turned the Stata parking lot into a giant hole in preparation for another building
18:24:41 <Monty> somehow missed the idea more at some point. I understand things now though. Got to conform to anyone doing anything academic.
18:24:43 <sbp> which causes me no end of annoyance
18:24:50 <sbp> stupid freaking picnic bench
18:25:01 <procto> MacTed: I'm in the leather district, and I'll be fighting the T crowds on the red line :>
18:25:17 <MacTed> mm, fun.
18:25:21 <chandler> Monty: heh. My thoughts exactly.
18:25:27 <Monty> But I'm in the idea more at some sort of formal notation (even *cough* MOF), along with a BCS paper, which does interest me
18:25:44 <MacTed> oh, I should be extra clear, then -- there's an ABP in sight of the Kendall T station. that's not where I'll be. :-)
18:25:52 <chandler> I think Monty is running low on input
18:25:53 <Monty> yeah, the phenny message
18:25:56 <sbp> MacTed: congrats on the new nickname
18:26:03 <MacTed> *laughs*
18:26:20 <sbp> 73% less dorky; I like it!
18:26:31 <procto> MacTed: it's one in the state center, yes?
18:26:42 <MacTed> procto - yah
18:26:58 <_bjoern> .wik TED
18:26:58 <phenny> "a nickname for Edward" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TED
18:27:40 <sbp> Monty: prod
18:27:46 <Monty> undressed scrawny rabbit delights galactical schema and flavoured Micronesian Michael Fielding :P
18:27:51 <sbp> Monty: *prod*
18:27:55 <Monty> scratched Linux perfection consumes Peruvian isometric whale :P
18:27:57 <sbp> Monty: **prod**
18:28:00 <Monty> Zinger Burger's handwriting quacks at mighty hatred...
18:28:01 <sbp> oh whatever
18:28:10 <_bjoern> In .de it's short for Tele-Dialog, some televoting thing.
18:28:24 * MacTed is not an Edward
18:28:43 <sbp> Theodore?
18:28:52 <MacTed> yup
18:28:58 <sbp> we have another Theodore. you are not our first Theodore
18:29:21 <_bjoern> That makes you 73% less individual.
18:29:27 <bancus> Eh?
18:29:31 <sbp> lvl 5, 15 CAD
18:29:33 <sbp> yo bancus!
18:29:41 <bancus> Oh, we've a second Theodore now?
18:29:43 <bancus> How bizarre.
18:29:49 <sbp> just telling MacTed not to muscle in on your turf as primo-ted
18:29:51 <bancus> I've never personally known another.
18:29:55 <bancus> Ah.
18:30:10 <sbp> MacTed is secundo-ted, I suppose
18:30:38 <_bjoern> I only know
18:30:41 <_bjoern> .gc "Theo wir fahren nach Lodz"
18:30:42 <phenny> "Theo wir fahren nach Lodz": 538
18:30:50 <_bjoern> .g site:youtube.com "Theo wir fahren nach Lodz"
18:30:51 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR--68szby4
18:30:55 <sbp> you're making Germanicity up again
18:31:26 <_bjoern> OMG DONT CLICK
18:31:32 <sbp> in fact, before #validator I can't even remember German existing
18:31:37 <sbp> I think you made the whole thing up
18:31:47 <sbp> then again, before #validator, what of anything existed?
18:31:56 <_bjoern> I most definitely made it up before #validator.
18:32:08 <sbp> sweet
18:33:14 <_bjoern> I'm out of things to put between bread and omlette.
18:33:43 <sbp> pig combs
18:34:05 <sbp> (what do you comb a pig with if not a pig comb?)
18:34:48 <_bjoern> If you comb a pig with a thing, surely that thing is a pig comb.
18:34:59 <_bjoern> Therefore, nothing.
18:35:51 <sbp> .gc enlazied
18:35:52 <phenny> enlazied: 0
18:36:07 <sbp> nobody could be bothered to coin that, eh?
18:36:12 <chandler> If you successfully comb the pig with it, it's a pig comb. You can attempt to comb a pig with anything.
18:36:16 <chandler> .gc enlazed
18:36:16 <phenny> enlazed: 29
18:38:35 <_bjoern> .gc self-combing pig
18:38:35 <phenny> self-combing pig: 11
18:39:12 <_bjoern> I can't decide which Freibad to go to. Candidates are Carl-Benz-Bad and Herzogenriedbad.
18:39:29 <chandler> I thought pigs needed to be waxed, not combed.
18:39:48 <_bjoern> Last time I was to a Freibad was probably in the 80s.
18:41:23 <sbp> .wik Freibad
18:41:46 <_bjoern> .wik lido
18:41:46 <phenny> "Venice's Lido is an 11-mile (18 km) long sandbar, home to about 20,000 residents, greatly augmented by the (mainly Italian) tourists who move in every summer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lido
18:42:01 <phenny> "Sternenfels ('Rock Star' in verbal translation, which is as well expressed on the coat of arms) is a small community consisting of Diefenbach and Sternenfels villages in the district of Enz in Baden-Württemberg in Germany." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternenfels
18:42:07 <_bjoern> That's leo's "Brit." suggestion.
18:42:16 <_bjoern> open air bath is the other one.
18:42:57 <sbp> lido is a great word
18:43:06 <sbp> here lido is one of the epitomes of art deco
18:43:54 <_bjoern> .gc "Lido deck"
18:43:55 <phenny> "Lido deck": 224,000
18:45:02 <nsh> .gc lido deck porn
18:45:03 <_bjoern> "The Golden Age of new Lidos was in the 1930s"
18:45:03 <phenny> lido deck porn: 3,800
18:45:25 <sbp> .gc lido deck porn rabbitmonkey
18:45:25 <phenny> lido deck porn rabbitmonkey: 0
18:45:29 <sbp> pfft
18:45:49 <_bjoern> .gc lido deck porn schrubber
18:45:49 <phenny> lido deck porn schrubber: 2
18:45:51 <_bjoern> Actually I wanted:
18:45:54 <_bjoern> .gc lido deck schrubber porn
18:45:54 <phenny> lido deck schrubber porn: 2
18:46:09 <sbp> .gc lolbot lido deck schrubber porn
18:46:09 <phenny> lolbot lido deck schrubber porn: 0
18:47:02 <_bjoern> .gc lido deck scrubber porn
18:47:04 <phenny> lido deck scrubber porn: 295
18:47:05 <_bjoern> .gc lido deck mop porn
18:47:05 <phenny> lido deck mop porn: 637
18:47:07 <_bjoern> .gc lido deck swab porn
18:47:08 <phenny> lido deck swab porn: 347
18:47:55 <_bjoern> "In 2005 a major breakthrough in lido revival took place"
18:48:40 <sbp> what!
18:48:46 <sbp> .g "In 2005 a major breakthrough in lido revival took place"
18:48:47 <phenny> sbp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lido_(swimming_pool)
18:49:03 <sbp> awesome
18:49:08 <sbp> I think I might have seen Janet Smith somewhere
18:49:09 <Monty> then fight traffic ... and Sternenfels villages in some sort of much of seven coins and things to frequency. But I'm out for the content down to anyone doing anything existed?
18:49:10 <nsh> MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH IN LIDO REVIVAL
18:49:18 <_bjoern> "Author Janet Smith had spent years researching (and swimming in) lidos around the country and her book explored the past, present and future of open air pools. "
18:49:44 <_bjoern> "This, in turn led to two major conferences in 2006: "Reviving Lidos" and "Making a Splash"."
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18:50:01 <_bjoern> AND NEITHER CONFERENCE HAS A WIKIPEDIA ENTRY ... yet!
18:50:24 <_bjoern> "In October 2006 London Fields Lido re-opened in Hackney after a campaign lasting nearly 20 years"
18:51:07 <_bjoern> uncyclopedia needs a lido revival movement page.
18:51:20 <sbp> bwahaha, yeah!
18:51:58 <_bjoern> "Droitwich Spa Lido has also re-opened after a six year battle by the group SALT (Save a Lido Today)"
18:53:49 <procto> lido?
18:54:03 <procto> as in the swimming pool?
18:54:44 <_bjoern> No, as in li(bi)do, except involving only one, not two (bi)
18:56:03 <procto> mkhssoooo
18:56:51 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Eric Tiedemann → Swhack at Half-Topicmast → ☹ | Save A Lido Today (not Droitwich: already saved)"
19:02:58 <_bjoern> "Adult swim: £3.75" - http://www.droitwichsaltlido.info/
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19:03:18 <_bjoern> that's uncheap?
19:04:44 <sbp> well, imagine if it didn't cost that much
19:04:51 <sbp> the lido could never be saven!
19:05:42 * sbp listens to some hot funky bossanova
19:05:50 <sbp> I'm too knackered for this. heh
19:06:06 <_bjoern> Couldn't you have stolen some cheap iraqi lido instead?
19:06:23 <_bjoern> Steal A Lido Today.
19:06:24 <sbp> it was probably in Blair's plans
19:06:40 <sbp> but we have the Scottish dude now who doesn't really seem to know what he's doing
19:06:56 <sbp> he reminds me of John Major
19:07:03 <_bjoern> But then it went all Operation Iraqi Liberation...
19:07:05 <sbp> technically a good match for the job, and then UTTER FAIL
19:07:10 <_bjoern> .g site:whitehouse.gov "Operation Iraqi Liberation"
19:07:11 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030324-4.html
19:07:49 <_bjoern> He should visit the frog king on one of his friend's yacht.
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19:08:49 <_bjoern> So why the hell did the Paprika prices skyrocket? And what do you call them...
19:08:52 <_bjoern> "Capsicum"? OMG.
19:09:07 <sbp> I call paprika paprika
19:09:17 <sbp> but I've possibly only ever used it like three times
19:09:29 <_bjoern> The german Paprika article was once a featured one.
19:09:37 <sbp> what was so good about it?
19:09:52 <_bjoern> how would I find out?
19:09:59 <sbp> .wik Sister Rosetta Tharpe
19:09:59 <phenny> "Rosetta Tharpe (March 20, 1915 – October 9, 1973) was a pioneering Gospel singer, songwriter and recording artist who attained great popularity in the 1930s and 1940s with a unique mixture of spiritual lyrics and early rock accompaniment." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_Rosetta_Tharpe
19:10:13 <sbp> you'd visit it and set your brainbunnies to the job
19:11:03 <_bjoern> it's long, got tables, pix, references, 12 sections, and everyone knows Paprika.
19:11:29 <sbp> hmm. I could've sworn you had "babes" on that list
19:11:41 <sbp> I'll just assume that you actually did and that that's the reason
19:12:27 <_bjoern> I do, your mental porn filter just hides it from you, so your mental pornizer imagines a replacement.
19:12:36 <sbp> sweet
19:12:45 <sbp> those must be two interesting brainbunnies
19:12:52 <_bjoern> As usual the forces in the universe cancel each other out.
19:13:00 <_bjoern> And in the end, porn wins.
19:13:43 <_bjoern> in the category old news we have "A campaign to preserve Droitwich Spa's salt water lido suffered another blow on Tuesday night, as councillors voted two to one to reject plans to save it. " - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hereford/worcs/4289713.stm
19:15:30 <sbp> HAHAHA, FUCK YOU COINCILLORS, WHO GOT THE LAUST LAUGHT!
19:15:47 <sbp> that was fauxdyslexoriffic
19:15:56 <_bjoern> phenny, "Wer zuletzt lacht, hat den Witz nicht verstanden"?
19:15:58 <phenny> _bjoern: I think it's De, which I can't translate.
19:16:18 <sbp> Altavista is still down, it would seem
19:17:14 <_bjoern> There is now a Perl module for the Google Ajax thingies on CPAN
19:17:25 <_bjoern> but apparently the translation thingy is not part of the ajax thingies.
19:17:29 <sbp> bah
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19:18:28 <_bjoern> Google suggests "Who laughs last, has not understood the joke."
19:22:05 <sbp> hahahaha
19:22:08 <sbp> oh wait
19:22:43 <_bjoern> .title http://archive.eveshamjournal.co.uk/2004/8/16/73048.html
19:22:46 <phenny> _bjoern: Mayor dives in to save the Lido
19:25:37 <sbp> aww yeah!
19:27:26 <bancus> Ithkuil’s 81 noun cases have been consolidated to 72 in Ilaksh. However, a system of 24 new specialized noun cases have been added which operate in conjunction with the expansion of the Level categories, resulting in a total of 96 noun cases in Ilaksh.
19:27:29 <_bjoern> .title http://www.doteng.org/
19:27:31 <bancus> Fuck.
19:27:36 <phenny> _bjoern: DotEng | The Campaign for a .eng Domain Extension for England!
19:27:59 <_bjoern> "Heard the one about the Englishman, the Scotsman, the Welshman and the internet? Trouble is, it's not that funny. Not if you're the Englishman, anyway."
19:28:31 <bancus> Can't be much of a campaign if they don't even know tha the term is TLD, not "Domain Extension".
19:28:46 <Arnia> bancus: what the hell?
19:28:47 <Monty> I'm not to know tha the expansion of spiritual lyrics and im impressed by the serial terminal works fine on that list
19:28:59 <bancus> Arnia: Ilaksh, the "reduced" version of Ithkuil.
19:29:01 <_bjoern> The target audience is englishpeople, they have to adjust the terminology.
19:29:05 <bancus> http://home.inreach.com/sl2120/ilaksh/Ilaksh_Intro.html
19:29:10 <bancus> Insanely complex conlang.
19:29:15 <sbp> woo, .eng!
19:29:19 <bancus> I'm not sure which is worse.
19:29:26 <sbp> which I typed as d.oh first time around, oddly
19:29:26 <bancus> But Ithkuil had 87 phonemes.
19:29:42 <_bjoern> more tlds? timbl rolls in his grave!
19:29:48 <bancus> Why not .en.uk?
19:30:02 <bancus> Isn't Sir Tim still alive?
19:30:48 <Arnia> I've been out complicated
19:30:59 <sbp> phenny: tell d8uv Pilgrim Snow and Valse de la Lune are win!
19:30:59 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when d8uv is around.
19:31:14 <_bjoern> I'd `phenny, de "Probeliegen"?` if that'd work.
19:31:27 <sbp> phenny: de "Probeliegen"?
19:31:28 <phenny> sbp: I think it's De, which I can't translate.
19:31:49 <_bjoern> #2 is http://www.flickr.com/photos/grindcrank/2380306725/
19:32:42 <_bjoern> #7 http://talk.excite.de/nachrichten/244/Probeliegen-im-Grab
19:33:06 <_bjoern> no .wik .eng
19:34:47 <_bjoern> hmm http://www.flickr.com/photos/omnia_mutantur/2097409799/
19:37:23 <sbp> ah! Stray Dog Strut is its real name!
19:43:02 <thelsdj> we talking cowboy bebop here?
19:45:34 <clsn> http://www.godscountrycamo.com/
19:47:04 <sbp> thelsdj: damn straight!
19:47:12 <sbp> well, Yoko Kanno and The Seatbelts in general
19:47:21 <sbp> d8uv introduced me to a ton of their music years and years ago
19:47:30 <sbp> but I just figured I could have a look for it myself
19:47:37 <sbp> and wow man, so much awesome stuff I'd been missing!
19:47:44 <cre8radix> http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientology-tried-to-suppress
19:47:47 <cre8radix> scary
19:47:48 <sbp> e.g. Too Good Too Bad, now playing
19:47:57 <sbp> (from Cowboy Bebop)
19:49:27 <thelsdj> my favorites are space lion and green bird
19:49:30 <thelsdj> i think
19:49:31 <sbp> oh man. “Want It All Back [Clavinet Hater Version]”
19:49:37 <sbp> yeah, Green Bird is mindblowing
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