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01:14:36 <_bjoern> apparently whitehouse.gov has one of the weak debian keys.
01:14:55 <_bjoern> you may now wish me a good and five hours short "night".
01:15:10 <_bjoern> Well four really, I suppose, it being hard falling asleep and all.
01:16:52 <_bjoern> Did I mention the consequences of not doing it?
01:18:09 <_bjoern> The thought just occured to me that it's more evil to not mention the consequences.
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01:22:26 <MoiraA> phenny: tell sb0 tat Ofee; dese
01:22:27 <phenny> MoiraA: I'll pass that on when sb0 is around.
01:22:36 <MoiraA> ;k
01:22:42 <MoiraA> dff]
01:23:11 <MoiraA> err slrr
01:23:20 <MoiraA> sorry people
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04:40:43 <xover> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/14/london-supermarket-s.html
04:40:47 <phenny> xover: London supermarket secretly photographs alcohol/cigarette buyers, wants national database - Boing Boing
04:41:28 <xover> Particularly interesting is that they're covertly recording video of underaged shoppers.
04:42:16 <xover> What do we usually call people who covertly records or takes pictures of underaged by-definition children?
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06:53:41 <sbp> yo
06:53:41 <phenny> sbp: 00:04Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/BOGNONBR_Max_630_378.png
06:54:38 <sbp> phenny: tell _bjoern er that's... I don't know what that is. heh
06:54:38 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when _bjoern is around.
06:57:03 <_bjoern> nu
06:57:03 <phenny> _bjoern: 07:43Z <sbp> tell _bjoern er that's... I don't know what that is. heh
06:58:04 <sbp> is it predicted data, or actual data?
06:58:15 <sbp> and why are recessions shaded when they clearly don't have anything to do with the graph?
06:58:26 <sbp> has it been inflation adjusted, or not?
06:58:37 <sbp> what does the very steep downward trend mean?
06:58:53 <sbp> of course I'll just assume until corrected that it means the economy is screwed
07:00:19 <_bjoern> it means the proletariat can haz a cheezeburger.
07:01:41 * sbp finds http://market-ticker.denninger.net/2008/05/tall-tale-tuesday.html
07:09:51 <sbp> interestings
07:12:54 <sbp> .gc "There might be intelligent beings created by God in outer space even if there are none here on earth"
07:13:02 <sbp> .g "There might be intelligent beings created by God in outer space even if there are none here on earth"
07:13:05 <phenny> "There might be intelligent beings created by God in outer space even if there are none here on earth": 4
07:13:12 <phenny> sbp: http://slashdot.org/firehose
07:25:17 <sbp> [[[
07:25:18 <sbp> The maximum size for a text message is 160 characters, which takes 140 bytes because there are only 7 bits per character in the text messaging system, and we assume the average price for a text message is 5p. There are 1,048,576 bytes in a megabyte, so that's 1 million/140 = 7490 text messages to transmit one megabyte. At 5p each, that's £374.49 per MB.
07:25:18 <sbp> Pretty fierce - and a lot of people pay more than 5p for a text. That's a hundred times typical UK pay-as-you-go data rates on GPRS or 3G. And it's very expensive even compared to pricey spacegoing access like the Hubble. Bannister asked NASA what it costs to get data down from the orbital telescope, and they said £8.85 per megabyte to get it down to the ground.
07:25:24 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/14/txts_r_v_pricey/
07:29:13 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7385714.stm
07:29:34 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | UK | Rare albino blackbirds sighted
07:30:08 <sbp> awesome
07:30:11 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080508122520.htm
07:30:11 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Morbus is around.
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08:01:24 <cre8radix> moin
08:02:31 <sbp> yo
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08:08:19 <sbp> “In winter, foot-ball is a useful and charming exercise. It is a leather ball about as big as one's head, filled with wind. This is kick'd about from one to t'other in the streets, by him that can get at it, and that is all the art of it.”
08:08:24 <sbp> - Misson, via Brand
08:12:02 <sbp> .gc galagaskins
08:12:13 <phenny> galagaskins: 64
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08:38:04 <sbp> .wik Stigler's Law
08:38:36 <phenny> "Stigler's law of eponymy is a process proposed by University of Chicago statistics professor Stephen Stigler [2] in his 1980 publication 'Stigler’s law of eponymy' [1]|." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler's_law_of_eponymy
08:38:45 <_bjoern> Okay in case you were wondering, I was just out checking and yep, life still sucks!
08:39:00 <sbp> (“No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer.” this was actually discovered by Robert K. Merton...)
08:39:17 <sbp> _bjoern: thanks for checking that
08:39:32 <_bjoern> My pleasure!
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08:40:50 <_bjoern> OMG MONTY REPRODUCING
08:40:51 <Monty> *grin*
08:45:07 <sbp> reprosmirking
08:46:53 <_bjoern> what were you using for .translate? it seems babelfish.av.com now redirects to yahoo.
08:47:16 <_bjoern> I can't enter anything where it says "( Enter up to 150 words )"
08:47:33 <sbp> yeah, world.altavista.com or something
08:47:38 <sbp> .g translate.py inamidst
08:47:42 <_bjoern> ah my fontsize is too big
08:47:49 <phenny> sbp: http://inamidst.com/changes/
08:47:52 <_bjoern> so the site should be reachable at least?
08:48:07 <_bjoern> you maybe have to update the script...
08:48:08 <sbp> I can reach it now... I couldn't yesterday
08:48:10 <sbp> yeah
08:48:11 <sbp> let's see...
08:48:17 <_bjoern> phenny, de "Pflaster"?
08:48:28 <phenny> _bjoern: I think it's De, which I can't translate.
08:51:00 <sbp> hang on, fixing
08:51:05 <sbp> (it has changed a bit)
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08:52:09 <sbp> phenny: "ciò è una prova"?
08:52:30 <phenny> sbp: "this is a test" (it)
08:53:11 <_bjoern> yay
08:53:15 <_bjoern> less sucky
08:53:20 <sbp> bit slow though
08:53:39 <_bjoern> a few days ago I saw a .RO car parking here; the plate's first component was "BH". I should try to find out what that resolves to.
08:54:31 <sbp> car.bh.ro
08:55:13 <_bjoern> .wik Bihor County
08:55:45 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Bihor County".
08:56:02 <_bjoern> w t f ?
08:56:24 <sbp> LET'S GO
08:56:35 <sbp> lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo
08:56:44 <sbp> lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo
08:56:47 <sbp> lolololololo
08:56:49 <sbp> lolololololo lolo
08:56:49 <sbp> we are the doggy doggy dogs!
08:56:51 <sbp> we are the doggy doggy dogs!
08:58:17 <sbp> .wik Bihor County
08:58:27 <phenny> "Bihor (IPA: [bi.'hor]), in Hungarian: Bihar (IPA: [bi.'har]), is a county (judeţ) of Romania, in Crişana, with capital city at Oradea." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bihor_County
08:58:33 <sbp> _bjoern: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bihor_County&diff=212569066&oldid=210913897
08:58:47 <sbp> we don't need your daughters
08:58:50 <sbp> we live in the door kins
08:58:53 <sbp> that's right!
08:58:55 <sbp> we are the doggy doggy dogs!
08:59:12 <sbp> I suspect if I knew the actual lyrics, they wouldn't make much more sense
09:00:24 <sbp> aha, it's:
09:00:24 <sbp> [[[
09:00:25 <sbp> we don't need no dog cracks
09:00:25 <sbp> we live in the dark, yeah, that's right!
09:00:25 <sbp> we are the doggy doggy dogs!
09:00:25 <sbp> ]]]
09:01:58 <_bjoern> What did you remove?
09:02:10 <sbp> a blank line
09:02:15 <_bjoern> weird unicode magic, or just ... right.
09:02:28 <sbp> I suppose it was outputting <p></p>
09:02:38 <sbp> and that phenny got that and went "but there's nothing here lol!"
09:02:44 <sbp> you know what she's like
09:03:50 <_bjoern> She wouldn't be like that if you had used a wonderous magic wand like a google htm^W^W w3c html5 parser, I am certain of it.
09:04:12 <sbp> I'm not packaging up any external crap with her
09:04:44 <_bjoern> You would, to confuse people who expect you would not, for example.
09:05:01 <_bjoern> Except if they expect you might do so because of their expectations.
09:05:06 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater of an important phenny fix: 15:555b2a72148c 2008-05-15 Updated the translate module, the web interface having changed.
09:05:06 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
09:05:11 <sbp> _bjoern: well, yes
09:05:36 <_bjoern> See, I love me and my attention to detail.
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09:06:13 <sbp> hehe
09:06:37 <sbp> you should just write funny things directly in the topic
09:06:41 <sbp> save me having to transfer them
09:07:39 <_bjoern> People like you are always so keen to have less work, but then wonder what's with all the unemployment.
09:11:29 <_bjoern> I wonder how the climate is in .ro, perhaps I should move to BH and put my STTNG-with-ro-subtitles experience to good use.
09:11:44 <sbp> “the coat of arms of Switzerland is protected by American law (18 USC 708), apparently since 1936” - http://www.heraldica.org/topics/usa/usheroff.htm#protection
09:12:40 <_bjoern> "shall be fined by not more than $250 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both."
09:14:00 <_bjoern> Oh I see BH is in Siebenbürgen (Transylvania)
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09:15:33 <_bjoern> phenny, "németül"?
09:15:56 <phenny> _bjoern: I think it's Hungarian, which I can't translate.
09:16:14 <_bjoern> ro for german phenny.
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09:19:30 <Monty> hey nsh
09:20:21 <nsh> yo Monty
09:20:23 <Monty> I reckon field + Jean Alesi = glazed sockets >:)
09:21:03 <nsh> .gs the ineffable *
09:21:14 <phenny> the ineffable *: name (6), bob (6), flame (4), tetrad (3), iynx (3), dao (3), brahman (3), aces (3), vug (2), tetragrammaton (2), tetractys (2), sephiroth (2)
09:31:35 <sbp> Bob the Ineffable
09:32:00 <_bjoern> .gc eff the inbobable
09:32:11 <phenny> eff the inbobable: 0
09:32:32 <_bjoern> .g scenemusic Amphetamine Tears
09:32:41 <_bjoern> .g last.fm Amphetamine Tears
09:32:43 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.scenemusic.eu/searchengine.php?cat=15&min=&platform=19&recherche=&type=1
09:32:51 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.last.fm/music/aMUSiC+and+Leviathan/_/Amphetamine+Tears
09:33:33 <_bjoern> Isn't scenemusic.eu wonderful? no slanderous scenders.
09:34:30 <_bjoern> .g scenemusic "Amphetamine Tears"
09:34:40 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.scenemusic.eu/searchengine.php?cat=15&min=&platform=19&recherche=&type=1
09:34:52 <_bjoern> well not anymore g00glez
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09:47:01 <nsh> RIGHT
09:47:02 <nsh> that's it
09:47:10 <_bjoern> nu
09:47:23 <nsh> i'm taking the phrase "ad hominem" and locking it up out of the reach of idiots
09:47:42 <nsh> guarded by shit-vomiting rabies sharks
09:49:39 <_bjoern> Offer shirtrude as replacement.
09:49:47 <nsh> good idea
09:49:50 <_bjoern> Yes, that is no typo.
09:49:58 <_bjoern> Don't let them ruin the original.
09:50:24 <nsh> under pain of gigadeath
09:51:01 <nsh> .gcs kilodeath megadeath gigadeath teradeath petadeath
09:51:01 <_bjoern> Yes, all hail gigadeath.
09:51:54 <phenny> megadeath (588,000), gigadeath (6,830), kilodeath (89), petadeath (64), teradeath (49)
10:01:30 <_bjoern> .wik Google Doctype
10:02:01 <phenny> "A Document Type Declaration, or DOCTYPE, is an instruction that associates a particular SGML or XML document (for example, a webpage) with a Document Type Definition (DTD) (for example, the formal definition of a particular version of HTML)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_Type_Declaration
10:02:26 <_bjoern> "Google Doctype is an open encyclopedia and reference library. Written by web developers, for web developers. It includes articles on web security, JavaScript DOM manipulation, CSS tips and tricks, and more. The reference section includes a growing library of test cases for checking cross-browser and cross-platform compatibility."
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10:02:55 <_bjoern> I should found "Google5".
10:04:25 <_bjoern> I love Google Doctype. No annoying content, just a blank page and a script error.
10:05:00 <_bjoern> The error message is one of the greatest ever
10:05:11 <_bjoern> phenny, "Annahme ausgelöst und nicht aufgefangen"?
10:05:32 <phenny> _bjoern: "acceptance released and not caught" (de)
10:06:34 <_bjoern> I would have picked "assumption" but okay.
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10:22:16 <sbp> _bjoern: yeah, I already commented with comic impact about this yesterday
10:22:26 <sbp> _bjoern: better yet, nslater assigns authorship to Mark Pilgrim
10:23:53 <_bjoern> comic impact url plz
10:25:49 <_bjoern> I tried it in Opera now, it's not much more worky there either
10:26:04 <_bjoern> However, they did succeed at making worse UI than in MSDN docs.
10:29:15 <sbp> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-05-14#T19-03-26
10:29:22 <sbp> 19:03:26 <sbp> nslater: the site design is... very weird
10:29:29 <sbp> 19:03:53 <sbp> like, weird use of (ahem) ajax
10:29:34 <sbp> 19:03:50 <nslater> sbp: pilgrim is behind it :p
10:29:40 <sbp> 19:03:55 <sbp> ah! thanks
10:30:00 <sbp> “that explains it”
10:33:01 <_bjoern> I want my money back
10:33:07 <_bjoern> not so much co me dy in the logs
10:33:39 <_bjoern> I was all YAY MANG THIS GONNA B3 HILLARY IOUS
10:34:12 <_bjoern> and here I am, not crying or even vomitting out of laughter at all
10:35:16 <sbp> well, you could do what most people do when they want to vomit out of comedy
10:35:23 <sbp> get a clown to stick his fingers down your throat!
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10:35:37 <sbp> but really, in this case the website itself is its own joke
10:35:48 <sbp> you only have to mention it, and that's comedy right there
10:36:34 <_bjoern> it's like walking on lollerskates.
10:37:02 <sbp> yeah. or doing something with lollerskates, anyway
10:37:20 <_bjoern> like talking about lollerskates.
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10:39:47 <_bjoern> .wik Teewurst
10:39:56 <_bjoern> outranks the de article on google
10:39:58 <phenny> "Teewurst is a German sausage made from two parts of raw pork (and sometimes beef) and one part bacon, which are minced, seasoned and packed in casings (mostly porous artificial casings) before being smoked over beech wood." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teewurst
10:40:24 <_bjoern> This sounds rather delicious
10:41:06 <_bjoern> .gc wikirhyme
10:41:17 <phenny> wikirhyme: 33
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10:47:43 <sbp> hmm, that does sound nice
10:48:00 <sbp> I wonder if we could grow some?
10:48:06 <sbp> .gc teewurst-seeds
10:48:17 <phenny> teewurst-seeds: 0
10:48:30 <sbp> odd, I wonder how they grow. pods?
10:51:19 <_bjoern> storkpigs bring them to your nest.
10:51:41 <sbp> ooh. so we just send them a telegram?
10:52:41 <_bjoern> I am not exactly sure what triggers their coming. It may be prayers
10:52:42 <_bjoern> it may be donations to your church, it might take online orders.
10:53:12 <sbp> URI plz
10:53:30 <_bjoern> .g pigstork OR storkpig
10:53:40 <phenny> _bjoern: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=21687454
10:53:41 <Monty> which cause another building
10:53:50 <_bjoern> .g Schweinestorch OR Storchenschwein
10:54:01 <phenny> _bjoern: http://www.babyforum.de/baby/topic/fruehjahrshibbelliste-2008-maerz--april--mai_56567.html?p=17
10:54:06 <sbp> [[[
10:54:07 <sbp> What did you have for dinner?
10:54:07 <sbp> I had...
10:54:07 <sbp> PIGSTORK!
10:54:08 <sbp> ]]]
10:54:17 <sbp> : : : ( ( (
10:54:21 <sbp> been eatens
10:54:31 <sbp> now how are we supposed to get our Teewurst?
10:54:56 <_bjoern> I got mine from Heinz Wille, apparently.
10:55:58 <sbp> .wik Heinz Wille
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10:56:29 <phenny> "The Will to Power (German: 'Der Wille zur Macht') is a posthumously published book, compiled the notes of Friedrich Nietzsche by his sister Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche and Heinrich Köselitz ('Peter Gast')." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Will_to_Power
10:56:54 <cre8radix> hrhr
10:57:08 <_bjoern> I wonder if this is a new technique to draw attention to the security features of the login form? http://g.photos.cx/msco-0f.png
10:57:30 <cre8radix> DER WILLE ZUR MACHT!
10:57:57 <sbp> well, let's start from what we can clearly work out
10:58:06 <sbp> for a start, the lady is happy about *something*
10:58:23 <sbp> the list of things about which she might be happy is, however, difficult to enumerate
10:58:46 <cre8radix> teh cash for teh shooting
10:58:50 <cre8radix> ;P
10:59:25 <sbp> including, as it does, elk, plastic strawberries, the concept of joy, yoghurt that's been left in the fridge for over five weeks, buttoons, pink slips of paper, trifles garnished with watercress, jail, milky ways, beans harvested by moonlight, and tin soldiers
11:00:02 <sbp> now, we also see that she is looking to her right
11:00:10 <sbp> so possibly it is the thing on her right which is causing her pleasure
11:00:24 <sbp> this would rule out the non-physical objects out of our enumeration
11:00:30 <sbp> and also the ones known not to occur on earth
11:00:32 <_bjoern> cre8radix's remark above was very funny compared to the doctype logs earlier.
11:00:57 <sbp> cre8radix is an inherently very funny geezer
11:01:09 <sbp> he is well travelled on the routes of mirth
11:01:29 <_bjoern> It's the classy german humor you heard so much about.
11:01:35 <sbp> heh, heh
11:02:06 <cre8radix> ack
11:02:35 <cre8radix> sbp must come to berlin, soooooonish
11:03:27 <sbp> the only thing I know about Berlin is that its subway system is pretty good
11:04:02 <_bjoern> I didn't know that. And I used the system.
11:04:12 <_bjoern> In fact, I wouldn't agree all that much.
11:04:47 <_bjoern> I believe you know more about Berlin than you reveal above.
11:05:48 <nsh> .gs * to secrecy
11:05:59 <phenny> * to secrecy: sworn (27)
11:06:24 <sbp> actually I know less
11:06:32 <sbp> I didn't even know for sure that it had a subway system
11:06:48 <nsh> Porn to secrecy. Spawn to secrecy. Dawn to secrect. Born to secrecy. Fawn to secrecy. Adorn to secrecy. Forlorn to secrecy.
11:06:58 <_bjoern> .gcs "to secretary" "from secretary"
11:07:19 <phenny> "to secretary" (1,040,000), "from secretary" (528,000)
11:08:54 <sbp> corn to secrecy
11:09:06 <nsh> .gs * the next vice-president
11:09:17 <sbp> Al Gore!!!
11:09:17 <phenny> * the next vice-president: lieberman)
11:09:23 <sbp> oh
11:09:27 <nsh> heh
11:09:28 <sbp> Lieberman)...
11:09:49 <_bjoern> No way, after Gore increased the food prices so much we all hate him.
11:10:00 <nsh> Lieberman).. looks like it's from an arcade game
11:10:04 <sbp> yeah, but he also invented food
11:10:22 <nsh> or cereal, at least
11:10:26 <sbp> yeah
11:10:28 <nsh> in fact, he _is_ cereal
11:10:36 <sbp> only since 2006
11:10:37 <Morbus> .
11:10:38 <phenny> Morbus: 08:18Z <sbp> tell Morbus http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080508122520.htm
11:10:41 <_bjoern> (http://thinkprogress.org/tag/gore/)
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11:11:10 <sbp> ha
11:11:30 <Morbus> wow, this is great.
11:11:40 <sbp> yeah, I thought it was pretty mental too
11:11:50 <sbp> it's not like SETI at home and stuff where you just sit back and give cycles
11:11:51 <_bjoern> IRC needs channel icons. swhack would get a "Jesus Loves This Channel!" icon.
11:11:56 <sbp> you actually donate intelligence
11:12:14 <_bjoern> excellent, i never really needed mine.
11:12:16 <sbp> _bjoern: with a little puppy at the bottom!
11:12:38 <_bjoern> You and your puppy <3.
11:12:42 <sbp> <3
11:13:24 <Morbus> sbpthanks, bookmarked, will try.
11:13:30 <sbp> cool
11:13:34 <sbp> imma give it a go prolly later too
11:13:43 <Morbus> sbp: we should setup a swhack group.
11:13:46 <Morbus> looks like you can set one up.
11:13:49 <sbp> to become H-mastaah
11:13:55 <sbp> ôrly? interesting
11:14:05 <Morbus> yeah, on fold.it, there's a "top groups" page
11:14:17 <sbp> we could so pwn!
11:15:05 <nsh> .gc maybe you all are *
11:15:16 <phenny> maybe you all are *: 1,060,000
11:15:18 <nsh> .gs maybe you all are *
11:15:29 <phenny> maybe you all are *: homosexuals (9), right (4), jealous (4), wondering (3), aware (3), tall (2), right maybe (2), racist (2), idiots (2), getting (2), familiar (2)
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11:15:39 <Morbus> sbp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGYJyur4FUA&fmt=18
11:15:45 <sbp> .title
11:16:02 <mahound> NO LINUX VERSION?
11:16:04 <sbp> oh cool
11:16:05 <mahound> wt?
11:16:10 <mahound> wtf?
11:16:12 <nsh> whut
11:16:16 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - Welcome to Foldit!!
11:16:35 <mahound> fold.it... only available for MacOS and Windows
11:17:04 <nsh> http://fold.it/portal/node/64177
11:17:20 <nsh> "will have a linux version ready for the public release in may"
11:17:32 <Morbus> and the site runs drupal. muhah
11:17:52 <nsh> the all caps large text post titles make this thread much more amusing
11:18:19 <nsh> everyone's shouting in a blizzard!
11:18:27 <mahound> cool
11:18:36 <nsh> I AGREE WITH THE 64 BIT
11:18:56 <Morbus> nsh: the caps are forced in css.
11:18:57 <mahound> :D
11:19:05 <_bjoern> ):nu:(
11:19:06 <nsh> Morbus: yeah, noticed when i copy-pasted
11:19:08 <nsh> or tried to
11:19:26 <nsh> still chuxulous
11:20:13 <Morbus> damn, i want to try this right now, but i arr teh busy!
11:20:23 <sbp> yeah, same here
11:21:20 <nsh> just fork yourself
11:21:57 <nsh> then perform an experiencial merge on the timelines after work
11:22:03 <sbp> you know what unix programmers should invent next?
11:22:06 <sbp> process.spork()
11:22:35 <nsh> all i can think of is someone spooning with their own clone
11:22:38 <nsh> thanks for the image, sbp
11:22:48 <sbp> ach, now you've given it to me!
11:22:59 <nsh> soon everyone will be the infect!
11:23:02 <Morbus> i think i'd probably spoon with my own clone.
11:23:12 <nsh> we should write to that reporter about the prospect
11:23:17 <sbp> ooh yes!
11:23:34 <sbp> I wonder if the reporter's cute?
11:23:45 <nsh> or has any cute objects
11:23:53 <sbp> or both!
11:24:05 <nsh> magnificent!
11:24:10 <nsh> hmm
11:24:35 <nsh> i wonder where the internet is hiding the all-time most comprehensive list of superlatives
11:24:56 <cre8radix> http://www.bundesregierung.de/nn_1512/Content/DE/AudioVideo/2007/2007-10-17-Symposium-Integration-Durch-Bildung/merkel-gates.html
11:25:01 <cre8radix> .title
11:25:33 <phenny> cre8radix: REGIERUNGonline - Die Bundeskanzlerin im Gepräch mit Bill Gates auf der internationalen Konferenz in Berlin zur "Integration durch Bildung"
11:26:06 <cre8radix> phenny: de "REGIERUNGonline - Die Bundeskanzlerin im Gepräch mit Bill Gates auf der internationalen Konferenz in Berlin zur Integration durch Bildung"?
11:26:17 <phenny> UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 55-57: invalid data (file "/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/translate.py", line 88, in tr)
11:26:51 <cre8radix> phenny: de "Die Bundeskanzlerin im Gepräch mit Bill Gates auf der internationalen Konferenz in Berlin zur Integration durch Bildung"?
11:27:02 <phenny> UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 34-36: invalid data (file "/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/translate.py", line 88, in tr)
11:27:04 <nsh> .gs that's some fine * there lou
11:27:11 <sbp> nsh: http://pastebin.com/f134addc
11:27:15 <phenny> that's some fine * there lou: police work (12), work (6), detective work (4), reporting (3), managin' (2), barhah (2)
11:27:30 <sbp> from http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/sp/splendid.html
11:28:09 <nsh> BULLY CAPITAL GROOVY PALATIAL SUMPTUOUSNESS
11:28:15 <nsh> .ety palatial
11:28:21 <nsh> nice one
11:28:31 <phenny> "1754, from Fr. palatial 'magnificent,' from L. palatium (see palace)" - http://etymonline.com/?term=palatial
11:28:47 <nsh> .gs palatial *
11:28:58 <Morbus> oh!
11:28:58 <phenny> palatial *: regalia (8), mansion (6), surroundings (5), estate (5), waterfront (4), estates (4), residence (3), mansions (3), leisure (3), crest (3), zanzibar (2)
11:29:04 <Morbus> sbp, nsh, can i get a new review on a new logo?
11:29:09 <sbp> yup
11:29:12 <Morbus> _bjoern: you too.
11:29:16 <Morbus> ok. lemme put it into place.
11:29:21 <Morbus> this is considered a "final" version.
11:29:24 <sbp> be quicks
11:29:28 <nsh> oh, yah, for reals
11:29:28 <Morbus> 5m
11:29:38 <sbp> I gots to run in about 10m
11:29:39 <nsh> that is, i want 23 uncomputable reals
11:30:49 <Morbus> refresh cache if you don't see it.
11:31:34 <Morbus> clsn: ping.
11:31:35 <nsh> i'lll refresh your cache
11:31:39 <Morbus> jsled: ping
11:32:34 <nsh> Morbus: it's pretty damn sweet but i can't quite work out what the brown thing around the die is
11:33:09 <Morbus> nsh: that is dependant on knowing what type of bug this is
11:33:40 <nsh> does it live in egypt?
11:33:50 <Morbus> not that i know of.
11:35:23 <sbp> I'd blur it and then unsharp mask it a bit
11:35:30 <sbp> just to make it a bit more realistic looking
11:35:36 <Morbus> sbp: this is termed "pixel art". it looks that way for a reason.
11:35:37 <sbp> at the moment it looks a bit 256-color
11:35:40 <sbp> ah
11:35:40 <nsh> i don't know, yeah
11:35:48 <nsh> i thought there was just the right degree of pixelation
11:35:53 <nsh> to match the rest of the style
11:36:01 <sbp> welp, aside from that, I like it!
11:36:09 <nsh> shame about the ZOMGARGHEEEEEETOOMUCHLIME
11:36:12 <sbp> WOTC D&D4e GSL OMG BBQ - hehe
11:36:16 <nsh> but that's my prejudice
11:36:22 <sbp> nah, I think that's fine
11:36:35 <Morbus> nsh: i've long grown to ignore that. it's a love or hate relationship, and i've heard that comment for 8 years ;)
11:36:48 <nsh> Morbus: guessed as much
11:36:55 <sbp> right, I gots to run
11:36:56 <sbp> c'ya!
11:37:01 <nsh> peasflakes
11:37:20 <Morbus> sbp thanks
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11:39:06 <nsh> .wik Work-to-rule
11:39:17 <phenny> "Work-to-rule is an industrial action in which employees do no more than the minimum required by the rules of a workplace, and follow safety or other regulations to the letter in order to cause a slowdown rather than to serve their purpose." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work-to-rule
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12:17:21 <clsn> Morbus: ACK
12:17:39 <Morbus> clsn: you commented on the logo before. please do so again in this "final" version.
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12:18:59 <clsn> K. Checking.
12:19:46 <clsn> Ah, OK. Wasn't clear last time that it was a dung-ball surrounding a d20; I thought it was just a d20 being rolled. Beetle more recognizable now as a beetle.
12:20:38 <clsn> Too few people, even those who know what a d20 is, will know about how scarabs roll stuff in that position, but you don't need people like that reading your site anyway.
12:20:43 <clsn> Otherwise, in general, I like it. :)
12:20:48 <Morbus> yeah.
12:20:51 <Morbus> it's a certain type of site.
12:20:59 <Morbus> most comments i've gathered are from people who aren't the right audience ;)
12:21:27 <Morbus> NP: 'Sodomy' from Peter Dasent's album 'Meet The Feebles: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack'; Rating: 5/5; http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=53181
12:21:28 <Morbus> \o/
12:23:06 <Morbus> clsn: thanks.
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12:26:08 <aspect> Morbus: classic!
12:26:14 <Morbus> aspect: yeah?
12:26:17 <aspect> what was his name .. rupert?
12:26:33 <aspect> you've seen the film, right?
12:26:42 <Morbus> oh!
12:26:46 <Morbus> lol. i thought you were talking about the logo.
12:26:51 <Morbus> i own the film, in vhs and dvd, yes ;)
12:27:34 * clsn is forty years old today. Just how the fuck did something like that happen???
12:27:43 <Morbus> heh.
12:27:49 <Morbus> my daughter is 2 tomorrow! :)
12:27:59 * clsn is pretty sure there's some mistake or something.
12:32:03 <nsh> .wik Dialecet continuum
12:32:12 <nsh> .wik Dialect continuum
12:32:23 <phenny> "A dialect continuum is a range of dialects spoken across a large geographical area, differing only slightly between areas that are geographically close, and gradually decreasing in mutual intelligibility as the distances become greater." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect_continuum
12:32:25 * nsh wishes Morbus 's daughter happy birthday
12:32:34 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Dialecet continuum".
12:32:54 <clsn> Yay for 2. 2 was a good age. I remember looking at my reflection in a car bumper when I was 2.
12:33:11 * nsh doesn't recall much from 2
12:33:30 <nsh> .wik Ring species
12:33:38 <nsh> ^^^ teh coolness
12:33:41 <phenny> "In biology, a ring species is a connected series of neighboring populations that can interbreed with relatively closely related populations, but for which there exist at least two 'end' populations in the series that are too distantly related to interbreed." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species
12:34:08 <nsh> .gs parapatric
12:34:08 <phenny> Query must have one "*" exactly
12:34:10 <nsh> .gs parapatric *
12:34:20 <clsn> Yeah, ring species is a funky concept.
12:34:21 <phenny> parapatric *: speciation (16), semispecies (3), nearshore (3), boundaries (3), species (2), speci (2), rhesus macaques (2), monobrachially (2), hÃpa hornsÃla (2)
12:34:24 <nsh> nu must have one "*" exactly
12:37:18 <nsh> http://www.apple.com/science/profiles/hebert/?sr=hotnews also sweet
12:38:02 <nsh> excepting the apple marketing
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12:38:41 <nsh> and the quicktime videos
12:39:18 <nsh> .wik Algorists
12:39:19 <phenny> "The Algorists are a group of digital artists who create algorithmic art, that is, works of art in a way that includes a process based on their own algorithms." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorists
12:39:28 <MoiraA> hmm, anyone good with website coding etc?
12:39:52 <MoiraA> I want to see if I can find where a video is hosted which I could download from a site
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12:42:29 <Morbus> MoiraA: can i get an opinion from ya?
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12:42:43 <Morbus> what video/site?
12:43:00 <MoiraA> sure
12:43:11 <MoiraA> http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/
12:43:21 <MoiraA> I love that video and the music
12:43:24 <MoiraA> right
12:43:24 <Monty> your tongue
12:43:27 <MoiraA> sure
12:43:41 <Morbus> http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/flash/IWG_net.swf
12:43:44 <Morbus> the movie is a flash movie.
12:43:51 <Morbus> you'd have to have a local flash player to play it. but that's the file above.
12:43:54 * nsh cuts of the subject of Monty's last utterance
12:43:55 <Monty> bah. I *do* have memories of Oxford, and try / instead of "Success of NH ;)
12:44:06 <Morbus> or, at least, the shell. it's possible it's loading the raw data from an external source.
12:44:15 <MoiraA> ah thank you
12:44:19 <Morbus> MoiraA: and, you know, there's a whole series of books on this.
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12:44:35 <Morbus> it doesn't look like the same thing.
12:44:41 <Morbus> i find the books interesting at least.
12:45:01 <MoiraA> so it's not that simple?
12:45:09 <Morbus> no, it could be that simple. i'm still looking.
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12:45:21 <MoiraA> I wanted to buy the screensaver but for some reason it only accepts a US address
12:45:26 <MoiraA> keeps asking for a state
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12:45:33 <Monty> But what does jeffarch have to do with the price of fish?
12:45:48 <Morbus> ah. then the book wouldn't help ;)
12:46:01 <Morbus> http://www.amazon.com/Conversations-God-Uncommon-Dialogue-Book/dp/0399142789/ref=wl_it_dp?ie=UTF8&coliid=IVF916APYN7AJ&colid=25USVJDH68554
12:46:05 <Morbus> is the book i'm thinking about.
12:46:11 <Morbus> when i browsed them in the store, they interested me.
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12:47:09 <nsh> .title http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/15/2246223.htm
12:47:10 <phenny> nsh: Zimbabwe introduces half-billion dollar note - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
12:47:27 <nsh> "The new highest denomination note would buy about two loaves of bread."
12:47:39 <nsh> except on ebay..
12:47:57 <nsh> i would give *three* loaves of bread for a 500,000,000 dollar note
12:48:10 <Morbus> MoiraA: yeah, i can download the .swf no problem, but can't open it inside either VLC or quicktime.
12:48:16 <Morbus> so you'd have to open it locally in a browser to view it.
12:48:26 <MoiraA> ah
12:48:30 <MoiraA> looking at the books
12:48:34 <Morbus> but, it does seem to play without any additional resources.
12:48:41 <Morbus> so you should be able to download it for posterity's sake, at least.
12:48:48 <MoiraA> see, I loved the music
12:48:57 <MoiraA> and your site - content is great
12:49:00 <MoiraA> will try
12:49:01 <MoiraA> thanks
12:49:08 <MacTed> there *is* a standalone Flash player, too, so it shouldn't require a browser
12:49:10 <MoiraA> not sure about the bold green
12:49:15 <Morbus> MoiraA: the image I care about, in the upper right.
12:49:19 <MoiraA> but it's very interesting
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12:50:35 * mahound votes for time-warping zimbabwe to the medieval age
12:51:00 <MoiraA> that's great!
12:51:04 <MoiraA> I like it
13:09:09 <nsh> .gs not with a bang but with a *
13:09:09 <phenny> not with a bang but with a *: whimper (41), thud (2), snigger (2), simper (2), dinner bell (2), cuppa (2), collider (2)
13:11:26 <nsh> wilderness of mirrors, i like it
13:11:32 <nsh> good ol' Eliot
13:17:16 <MacTed> doesn't that have an extra `with` in it?
13:17:16 <MacTed> .gs not with a bang but a *
13:17:17 <phenny> not with a bang but a *: whimper (75), wimper (3), giggle (3), whisper (2), simper (2), beamz (2)
13:17:39 <nsh> you're right
13:17:52 <MacTed> interesting variations there...
13:18:41 <nsh> .ety simpler
13:18:41 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "simpler". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=simpler
13:18:47 <nsh> .ety simper
13:18:48 <phenny> "c.1563, perhaps from a Scand. source (e.g. dial. Dan. semper 'affected, coy, prudish') or M.Du. zimperlijk 'affected, coy, prim.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=simper
13:18:57 <nsh> .ety whimper
13:18:58 <phenny> "1513, probably of imitative origin, or from Ger. wimmern 'to whimper, moan.' The noun is first recorded c.1700." - http://etymonline.com/?term=whimper
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13:22:01 <Monty> howdy, cskaterun_
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13:24:07 <Monty> But what does JibberJim have to do with the price of fish?
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13:37:03 * Arnia reproduces Monty
13:37:03 <Monty> that's no reason it says he background
13:37:24 <MoiraA> Morbus: would a swf decompiler work?
13:37:28 <MoiraA> can try I suppose
13:37:39 <Morbus> what would that prove?
13:37:50 <Morbus> the entire movie was probably created inside Flash.
13:37:59 <Morbus> you'd only get the individual components.
13:38:07 <Morbus> you'd be more pressed to find a .swf to .mov converter or some such.
13:38:51 <Arnia> Offty off to DSUyouyou
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13:42:28 <MoiraA> hmm
13:43:26 <MoiraA> the link you gave me is a better video to watch
13:43:36 <MoiraA> none of the useless bumph on the page
13:43:46 <MoiraA> but whether I can capture it is another matter
13:43:52 <Morbus> MoiraA: it's better only because, right, your browser, in the absense of specific information otherwise, uses the whole viewport.
13:44:01 <Morbus> and all you have to do is tell your browser to Save Page and it should work.
13:44:03 <Morbus> to capture it.
13:44:08 <jsled> Morbus: pong.
13:44:24 <Morbus> jsled: you commented before, so would like your comments again on this "final" version:
13:44:26 <MoiraA> wonderful!
13:44:30 <MoiraA> thanks Morbus
13:44:54 <MoiraA> basd
13:45:07 <MoiraA> *bastards seem to have it protected
13:45:19 <Morbus> MoiraA: do you have a shell or anything?
13:45:26 <MoiraA> I'd buy it if it would accept a UK address
13:45:34 <Morbus> MoiraA: http://feast-or-fa.mine.nu/~morbus/
13:45:41 <Morbus> it's here. right click, save as.
13:45:59 <MoiraA> ah cheers
13:46:05 <MoiraA> how did you manage that?#
13:46:11 <Morbus> wget.
13:46:12 <Morbus> ;)
13:46:16 <MoiraA> there was no save as when I right clicked on the screen
13:46:22 <Morbus> there wouldn't be.
13:46:30 <Morbus> as your browser's flash plugin is taking over the right click.
13:46:34 <Morbus> you'd've had to go to File > Save as.
13:46:49 <MoiraA> ah
13:46:58 <MoiraA> err .... I know I'm stupid
13:47:05 <Morbus> stop that.
13:47:08 <MoiraA> but what's the thing called?#
13:47:14 <MoiraA> I could have done that, yes
13:47:16 <Morbus> what's what thing called?
13:47:20 <MoiraA> sorry to sound so dumb
13:47:25 <Morbus> stop that.
13:47:39 <Morbus> requirements for being in #swhack are quite clearly: "you can't be dumb".
13:47:39 <MoiraA> the file I'm meant to be grabbing from your directory
13:47:52 <Morbus> IWG_net.swf
13:47:59 <MoiraA> I feel like it sometimes
13:48:09 <Morbus> jsled: we're doing some small revisions to the d20 (trying it green to match the site design, etc.) and fixing some of the lighting.
13:48:14 <MoiraA> thanks - thought so but the date was wrong
13:48:53 <Morbus> jsled: yeah, i can see the perspective issue. i'm not sure i care enough about that to change it though.
13:49:56 <MoiraA> ah my swf decomposer thing plays it anyway
13:50:26 <MoiraA> I just love the music
13:50:29 <MoiraA> and the words
13:50:51 <MoiraA> "a rich man is not the man who has everything, but the man who needs nothing"
13:51:27 <MoiraA> "they live as if they'll never die, and die as if they've never lived
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14:34:23 <sbp> heh, that was interesting
14:34:32 <sbp> I just got telephone spam about a free compensation thing
14:34:45 <sbp> "our records indicate that you visited a doctor in the past N years for an injury"
14:34:52 <sbp> so I asked them where they got their data from
14:35:05 <nsh> whadeysay?
14:35:09 <sbp> they said they don't have the information as to where it's from, only the fact
14:35:29 <sbp> I say that's impossible: you don't get the facts out of thin air, they must be provided by a company or organisation and I'd like the name of the company or organisation
14:35:41 <sbp> he says again that he doesn't know. I say that he does, and ask him again for the information
14:35:41 <nsh> SUPAHVISAH TIEM
14:35:49 <sbp> he said that it's confidential information, it's a private thing
14:36:03 <chandler> right, but it's not their confidential information, it's yours
14:36:03 <nsh> mmm,ironey
14:36:07 <sbp> but he'd previously said that it was from a public survey that had been conducted in my area
14:36:07 <jsled> <sbp> That's exactly the point.
14:36:35 <sbp> so I said I think I'm entitled to know where they got this information on me from, possibly by law (though I made sure to say that I didn't know that for certain), and that in any case I'd very much appreciate it
14:36:41 <sbp> he repeated that it's confidential
14:37:05 <sbp> I said that if it's confidential, how come it was a public survey? if they made this survey of me, they must have divulged their details at the time
14:37:11 <sbp> so he could divulge it again to me now
14:37:13 <sbp> so he did
14:37:26 <sbp> and then I said thanks, but I'm not interested in your service, and that was the end of the call
14:38:00 <sbp> it was great. so he lied (saying that he didn't have the information as to the source), and then proceeded to contradict himself (saying that it's a public survey but confidential), and then eventually relented
14:38:18 <sbp> the other odd thing is that we don't *do* these kinds of surveys
14:38:37 <sbp> so it would be interesting to find out how this company got the data. he said it was a local area survey...
14:38:45 <nsh> i expect that call was probably recorded
14:38:50 <nsh> and you have a right to listen to the recording
14:38:51 <sbp> very annoyed at the dataleak. this is medical data
14:38:53 <nsh> and thus obtain a copy
14:38:59 <sbp> oh man, that'd be awesome
14:39:20 <kpreid> sbp: who's 'we'?
14:39:22 <chandler> too bad it's not legal (at least in the US) to just record any phone call you're on
14:39:47 <kpreid> chandler: varies by state
14:39:57 <chandler> kpreid: do I remember you having root on common-lisp.net, or is my brain playing tricks on me?
14:40:04 <chandler> well, I'm pretty sure it's not legal in Illinois
14:40:05 <kpreid> in some, the consent of one party (i.e. you) is sufficient
14:40:21 <kpreid> chandler: I have access to lisppaste@ only
14:40:26 <chandler> ah
14:40:36 <jsled> might just need to announce that you're recording, and beep every 15 seconds. Or something.
14:40:37 <sbp> kpreid: me and my family
14:40:37 * nsh answers the phone with (really quick speech) "thiscallisrecordedifyoudonotgiveyourconsentpleasehangupnow"
14:40:40 * jsled makes shit up.
14:40:50 <sbp> anyone who would be authorised to divulge this information, I mean
14:40:59 <sbp> so, I've just looked at the survey website
14:41:05 <jsled> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws
14:41:13 <sbp> and they say, quite clearly, that they do not divulge any of their information for the purpose of marketing
14:41:28 <jsled> .title http://www.rcfp.org/taping/
14:41:31 <sbp> so I think I might phone them up to see what's going on; how they got my data, and why they're spilling it to private companies
14:41:34 <phenny> jsled: "Can We Tape?"
14:41:41 <nsh> sbp, go for it mang
14:43:11 <nsh> .title http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1770954,00.html
14:43:12 <phenny> nsh: Study: Half of Americans on Medicine - TIME
14:43:16 <nsh> bit depressing
14:43:30 <chandler> nsh: why?
14:43:55 <nsh> because it's the wrong half.
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14:44:43 <nsh> (not to mention the large and growing subset that are on medicine which they do not physiologically require)
14:45:09 <nsh> ((not to further mention the fact that the vast majority of these medicines are being sold at inflated prices))
14:48:28 <sbp> okay, I'm calling the Market Research Society and they've given me the details of someone to speak to
14:48:40 <sbp> but they're tied up on the phone at the moment so I've got to call back in a little while
14:48:59 <nsh> minor chuckles
14:49:43 <nsh> hey
14:49:46 <nsh> sbp
14:49:57 <nsh> did the government give everyone in the uk a tax rebate?
14:50:42 <nsh> i don't remember hearing anything about this, but a friend just emailed with something to the effect that everyone in employment received £120
14:51:15 <MoiraA> nice
14:53:52 <sbp> nsh: yep!
14:54:06 <sbp> basically they increased the tax free portion of the income
14:54:11 <nsh> motherfuckers
14:54:16 <sbp> ehheh
14:54:16 <nsh> where
14:54:18 <nsh> the fuck
14:54:20 <nsh> is my money
14:54:25 <sbp> hehe
14:54:45 <sbp> of course they stole it from us anyway by abolishing the 10% tax band
14:55:00 <sbp> so they're just putting a bit of it back by plumping up the tax-free band
14:55:01 <nsh> true
14:55:04 <plum> heh, you just prise them off and put em back at random, so they're not actually here.
14:55:05 <chandler> I got my $600 from the IRS a few weeks ago. Of course I'm sure they're just printing money to account for that...
14:55:20 <nsh> i just bought a laptop i no longer need, and have to replace some random man's window for getting my own one back
14:55:24 <sbp> for people who only just earned over the tax-free band limit though, this will be pretty fucking sweet
14:55:30 <nsh> oh, i didn't tell you that story...
14:55:40 <nsh> my laptop was found by this old finnish guy in his summer cottage
14:55:46 <nsh> the window of which had been broken with a brick
14:55:47 <sbp> for people who earned over the old 10% tax band, I would think they might still be losing out some, but I haven't calc'd it or seen any calcs on it
14:55:52 <sbp> ...
14:55:56 <sbp> so they stole a laptop
14:55:59 <sbp> broke into a house
14:56:06 <sbp> and donated the stolen laptop to the broken-into house?
14:56:08 <nsh> i know, wtf
14:56:11 <nsh> the police woman wanted me to confess that i'd broken in there and left it
14:56:17 <sbp> bwahaha
14:56:20 <nsh> i was like, no...
14:56:40 <sbp> that's just classic surreal
14:56:49 <nsh> but i said i'd pay for the pane out of thanks
14:56:53 <sbp> aww
14:57:00 <sbp> ur 2 nice
14:57:03 <nsh> actually because i wanted my laptop and no bollocks
14:57:07 <sbp> hehe
14:57:09 <nsh> but thanks sounds nicer :-)
14:57:26 <nsh> but i'm a bit in the red, and i want my goddamn £120
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14:57:28 <Monty> yo thelsdj!
14:57:31 <sbp> that's really weird though. I can't even figure out a wacky motive
14:57:39 <nsh> yeah, had me thinking
14:57:41 <sbp> like, if they'd been using it in there and then got startled and left it behind
14:57:47 <nsh> i was going to ask if they'd dusted for prints
14:57:52 <sbp> but why the hell would you use a laptop when breaking in some place?
14:58:04 <sbp> perhaps they were looking up instructions on Wikipedia about how to break into a summer house
14:58:05 <chandler> the laptop was actually on top of a pressure switch that held a rare idol
14:58:05 <nsh> but then i figured that line of query would end up with more pretty pictures associated with my already bespoiled name
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14:58:22 <sbp> and like someone had edited the example to say "Make sure you leave your laptop behind in the house before leaving, with no goods."
14:58:30 <sbp> er, edited the article even
14:58:37 * nsh chuckles
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14:59:05 <nsh> maybe the rambunctuous house-guest of Mr Presentishowa-san is involved
14:59:13 <nsh> wait
14:59:16 <sbp> ha!
14:59:26 <nsh> what if the rare idol gives powers at the expense of extreme ageing!
14:59:38 <sbp> yeah mang, what the crack are you on chandler?
14:59:46 <nsh> and the article was edited as part of the conspiracy by the houseguest
14:59:50 <sbp> ohimean, yeah mang, good idea chandler
14:59:51 <nsh> it's all falling into place
15:00:04 <nsh> the reverse vampires flew a cruise missile into the pentagon
15:00:14 <sbp> actually, I must confess I don't know how rare idols are in Findland
15:00:30 <sbp> (the land where you Find sundry electrical goods growing in your summer house)
15:00:46 <nsh> charlemange excised the fourteenth century and distributed it evenly across the last three weeks
15:00:54 <nsh> causing time-inflation
15:01:04 <nsh> and, uh
15:01:14 <nsh> marzipan causes chemtrails!!!
15:01:16 <sbp> yeah, I'm expecting a punchline now
15:01:19 <sbp> ah, there we go
15:01:37 <nsh> mmm, marzipan chemtrail would be floatalicious
15:01:55 <sbp> did I tell you about that plantphone article?
15:02:14 <nsh> duntin kso
15:02:17 <sbp> about how insects chemically communicate with one another below and above ground using chemicals through plants?
15:02:29 <nsh> oh, i read something about that
15:02:33 <nsh> but mostly looked at the pictures
15:02:38 <sbp> hehe
15:02:41 <nsh> was probably distractored
15:03:08 * nsh wonders if he can create a Wiley Tibetan text-dialect of english
15:03:19 <sbp> how would that work?
15:03:43 <nsh> i don't know mang
15:03:53 <nsh> i'm just the messenger
15:04:05 <sbp> what's the Wiley bit mean?
15:04:06 <nsh> you have to ask the majnashun enjin yourself
15:04:23 <nsh> .wik Wylie transliteration
15:04:23 <phenny> "The Wylie transliteration scheme is a method for transliterating the Tibetan script using the keys on a typical English language typewriter." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wylie_transliteration
15:04:28 <sbp> ô majanatiun engin on the wall / who's the most imaginative of them all?
15:04:53 <sbp> fair enough. didn't know that
15:05:09 <sbp> also! I think I'm going to ring up the lady at the Market Research Society now
15:05:13 <nsh> go do
15:05:16 <sbp> presumably she'll be off the phone by now
15:06:09 <nsh> that's a pretty big presewm there lisa
15:06:50 <sbp> nope, not available. but she has an awesome speaking voice
15:07:07 <sbp> I'd characterise it as quick and intelligent middle-class
15:07:11 <nsh> http://nightterrors.ytmnd.com/
15:07:32 <sbp> you know, the sort of person who runs a tennis club and yet is also a nice person
15:07:50 <sbp> COBRAS
15:08:23 <nsh> i run a "nice person" racket if that counts
15:08:32 <sbp> no
15:08:44 <sbp> actually, she reminds me of one of my county librarians now that I think about it
15:08:47 <nsh> damn, we've been hardly selling since the corn suds incident
15:09:03 <sbp> CORRN
15:09:18 <nsh> COORON CRON
15:09:24 <sbp> did you sell the other laptop yet?
15:09:27 <nsh> of the CRONORS
15:09:35 <nsh> nah
15:09:40 <nsh> i haven't been able to ownify it yet
15:09:44 <sbp> you should've given it to the summer house family instead of a new window pane
15:09:45 <nsh> took ages to be shipped
15:09:52 <nsh> now being help hostage by depo
15:10:01 <nsh> on the other side of town for some stupid ass reason
15:10:08 <sbp> I hate when things are helped hostage
15:10:23 <nsh> getting a carbrumfunride to get it tomorrow
15:10:42 <sbp> see, you should've got a place on the other side of town
15:10:48 <sbp> the grass is always greener
15:10:52 <sbp> and the packages much closer
15:10:59 <nsh> that is the true
15:11:33 <nsh> yeah, it's funny actually. the police woman said that the guy who found it quite wanted to keep it if its owner couldn't be found
15:11:41 <sbp> hehe
15:11:43 <nsh> so i might back up mah shiznits and sell it to him
15:11:55 <sbp> how did they find you?
15:11:57 <nsh> cover the sandfluidbrittle fees
15:12:07 <nsh> i had some tickets from the slave-centre
15:12:23 <nsh> civilian service centre stamped train ticket receipts
15:12:26 <sbp> porno tickets?
15:12:33 <sbp> oh, train porno
15:12:35 <nsh> not so much
15:12:38 <nsh> yeah
15:12:49 <nsh> .gc locomotive porn
15:12:50 <phenny> locomotive porn: 136,000
15:13:05 <sbp> .gc pornetry-in-motion
15:13:06 <phenny> pornetry-in-motion: 0
15:13:11 <sbp> .gc porn-in-motion
15:13:12 <phenny> porn-in-motion: 7,560
15:13:26 <sbp> yeahŋ!
15:13:36 <sbp> maŋ
15:13:39 <sbp> porŋ
15:13:53 <sbp> we should use ŋ iŋstead of n
15:14:33 <nslater> ŋſater
15:14:34 <phenny> nslater: 09:53Z <sbp> tell nslater of an important phenny fix: 15:555b2a72148c 2008-05-15 Updated the translate module, the web interface having changed.
15:14:38 <nsh> ŋµ
15:14:39 <sbp> hehe
15:14:43 <sbp> oh man
15:14:56 <sbp> aŋd tiŋ
15:15:00 <nslater> if only freenode allowed non-ascii
15:15:09 <nslater> ... in nicks, that is
15:15:14 <sbp> <ŋŋŋŋŋŋŋŋŋ> ŋŋŋŋŋŋµ!
15:15:29 <sbp> <㋡> HELLO
15:15:37 <nslater> sbp: noted, thans
15:15:41 <nslater> k
15:15:50 * nsh makes for the home go
15:15:59 <sbp> HOME GO FUN ENJOYS K THX BAIES!
15:16:02 <nsh> STAND UPSIDE YOUR RIGHTS
15:16:11 <nsh> MOENFUNKSLANTS
15:16:18 <sbp> GROOOOOON
15:16:33 <sbp> ((c'ya))
15:16:52 <sbp> also yo unto thee nslater
15:17:07 <nslater> how goes it, any updates on the you know what? :p
15:17:17 <sbp> nope, checked again today, but no dice
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15:17:24 <nslater> humbug
15:17:27 <sbp> it... hehe
15:17:35 <sbp> it's probably because it's coming to the end of the year
15:17:40 <nslater> I love nsh and his quit messages
15:17:45 <sbp> yeah
15:18:15 <sbp> that dude has one kinky heck of a brainbunny festival going on in his head
15:18:34 <nslater> trudat, I love the way he plays with language
15:18:53 <sbp> he's trying to take the system down from the inside, I figure
15:19:10 <nslater> perhaps, but that would violate his rule of being productive
15:19:17 <sbp> still chuckling over the laptop findage. did you read that?
15:19:21 <nslater> nope?
15:19:27 <sbp> so his laptop was stolen
15:19:30 <sbp> and he ordered another one
15:19:36 <sbp> and then the police found his stolen laptop
15:19:42 <nslater> now he has two?
15:19:43 <sbp> but the funny thing is where it was found
15:19:45 <sbp> yeah
15:19:47 <nslater> win
15:19:51 <nslater> go on...
15:19:56 <sbp> but they found it in someone's summer house
15:20:11 <nslater> o_O
15:20:11 <sbp> someone had broken in, the window pane smashed, and deposited the laptop inside
15:20:16 <sbp> and apparently not stolen anything
15:20:19 <sbp> so they stole a laptop
15:20:22 <sbp> broke into a house
15:20:25 <nslater> whaaaaa
15:20:29 <sbp> and then deposited the laptop in the broken into house
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15:20:48 <nslater> that's so weird...
15:20:58 <sbp> I've been trying to think of even bizarre circumstances which might allow for that
15:21:01 <nslater> maybe the laptop has contents undisclosed which drove the person insane
15:21:04 <sbp> but I haven't come up with one yet. it's just so mad
15:21:09 <sbp> ahahaha, good idea
15:21:18 <sbp> we'll have to grill him about that
15:21:37 <nslater> I don't want to contemplate the bizare and mind altering content of nsh's laptop
15:21:43 <sbp> nsh paid for the broken pane of glass even, to be kind
15:21:47 <nslater> awe, bless
15:21:54 <sbp> and also because the police were trying to set him up or whatever
15:21:54 <Morbus> i'm thinking about buying the 7 volume set of achewood
15:21:57 <Morbus> comments?
15:22:11 <sbp> Morbus: ooh. I have one of the books, signed, and they're pretty good quality
15:22:16 <Morbus> yeah?
15:22:19 <Morbus> you got it personalized? heh.
15:22:20 <sbp> ayup
15:22:23 <sbp> I'd say go for it
15:22:27 <Morbus> what'd you have it say?
15:22:28 <sbp> yeah, I got Philippe in mine
15:22:36 <sbp> I can't remember what he wrote, actually. heheh
15:22:47 <sbp> I think it's Philippe standing and saying I'm a very special boy
15:22:51 <sbp> with his thumb up
15:22:57 <Morbus> hahah. did you ask for anything specific?
15:23:01 <Morbus> or just included your name?
15:23:10 <clsn> Yo, all.
15:23:20 <sbp> just included my name, I think. I might've mentioned that Philippe was my favourite character
15:23:30 <Morbus> ok. that sealed it
15:23:35 <sbp> or actually, I think it was bought as a present
15:23:36 * Morbus orders 7 set with personalization.
15:23:40 <Morbus> http://www.achewood.com/shop/books_7bkLibrary.php
15:23:54 * sbp can't even remember how long ago this was... clearly quite some time :-)
15:24:01 <sbp> Morbus: note also that the GOF is being sold separately
15:24:03 <Morbus> did you get vol. 1 or something?
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15:24:04 <Monty> hi tav
15:24:08 <sbp> I've pre-ordered that. you can't get it personalised
15:24:13 <Morbus> sbp: yeah, i just preordered that too.
15:24:18 <clsn> I ordered a few webcomic books when the comics in questions were still smallish, and the author signed or decorated it for me. 'snice.
15:24:18 <sbp> Vol. 3 I think
15:24:18 <Morbus> which is why i decided to get th eother books ;)
15:24:26 <sbp> I was thinking about getting the lot
15:24:38 <sbp> you get little extras and stuff too
15:24:44 <sbp> clsn: neato
15:24:44 <Morbus> yeah.
15:25:04 <sbp> of course, I somehow managed to befriend my favourite cartoonist
15:25:15 <sbp> he sent me a signed strip gratis the other day, for all the help I've given him
15:25:19 <sbp> which was totally awesome
15:25:33 <Morbus> that cat guy?
15:25:36 <sbp> ayup
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15:25:38 <Morbus> i know what strip it is.
15:25:40 <Morbus> i just can't remember the name.
15:25:45 <sbp> Bogart
15:25:46 <thelsdj> is it just me or does there appear to not be any good open geo location database?
15:25:52 <tav> hey Monty
15:25:53 <Morbus> yea, that's it.
15:25:54 <Monty> Sorry dude has an awesome speaking voice
15:25:56 <sbp> used to run in the papers for years and years here
15:26:01 <sbp> so I grew up with it, basically
15:26:02 <nslater> thelsdj: how do you mean?
15:26:13 <nslater> thelsdj: what type of geolocation?
15:26:22 <sbp> I guess it was like how Peanuts was for everyone growing up in the 60s and 70s in America
15:26:30 <sbp> yo tav
15:26:34 <sbp> yo thelsdj
15:26:42 <thelsdj> nslater: IP to city is what i'm most interested in
15:27:05 <nslater> aha, yeah, I think there is a free database of IPs to cities, I forget it's name
15:27:09 * sbp rings up the MRS again
15:28:17 <nslater> .title http://www.ipligence.com/en/products/community.php
15:28:18 <phenny> nslater: IPligence Community Edition, Free IP Geolocation / Open source IP location of visitors
15:28:25 * clsn was thinking of trying to design a mostly-upright book-text italic with OTF for long-s insertion that would actually look non-silly with long-s. I wonder if I have that kind of skill.
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15:28:50 <sbp> .gc suchnot
15:28:51 <phenny> suchnot: 3,320
15:28:59 * Morbus writes "Names: "Morbus" and "Kevin" interchangeably."
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15:29:11 <clsn> I guess something like Gill Sans Italic or some other Gillian, or Scala Sans or something. I'm picturing it as a sans...
15:30:58 <chandler> yay lisppaste2
15:31:50 * Morbus chuckles over http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/uua1kdR3Q
15:31:59 <Morbus> aaah. i can't wait to reread all these from the beginning.
15:32:03 * Morbus hugs sbp
15:34:49 <sbp> hehe. yeah
15:34:58 <sbp> once I sat down and read like two years' worth of Achewoods
15:35:02 <sbp> and it was just brilliant
15:35:11 <sbp> also, off the phone from the MRS
15:35:16 <sbp> they're going to investigate; whoo!
15:35:24 <sbp> they've taken my details and will check it out tomorrow morning
15:35:26 <sbp> so, wins
15:35:35 <sbp> also I found out a number of interesting things:
15:35:55 <clsn> My wife tells me yesterday that this woman in the community saw my name mentioned on some webforum discussion involving Samaritans, and she wants to interview me.
15:35:58 <clsn> Hmm, I figure.
15:36:02 <sbp> * I was indeed correct to say that I have the legal right to find out where they got the information on me from, under the Data Protection Act
15:36:04 <clsn> Maybe Google knows something about this.
15:36:12 <sbp> * I also have the right to get them to tell me the entire information that they have on me
15:36:33 <clsn> And I found http://muqata.blogspot.com/2008/05/deciphering-samaritan.html which I got to contribute to. Yay.
15:36:42 <sbp> * compensation specialist companies are now very heavily regulated under, possibly, the Justice Department, so they have to register all their details very closely there; so there may be further infringements
15:37:04 <clsn> Oooh, sounds like some heavy shit that I don't know about going on with sbp.
15:37:04 <Monty> potty mouth!
15:37:08 <sbp> * marketing companies who collect data have to state very precisely if they're going to give their data out
15:37:44 <Morbus> aye.
15:37:48 <sbp> * the research company that was said to have given my data out actually doesn't do much that's connected with marketing anyway; they tend to do government surveys and the like
15:38:25 <sbp> * if you request information about what's being held about you from a private company, they have to supply it within 40 days. they may charge a small and reasonable fee for it, but they have to send it within that time period
15:38:40 <sbp> so that's all very useful stuff to know for the future!
15:39:16 <sbp> clsn: what happened is that an injury/compensation company phone spammed me and said that they knew I had had "an injury or accident involving a medical professional within the past N years"
15:39:36 <clsn> Hrumph.
15:39:39 <tav> hey
15:39:50 <sbp> clsn: but this is private medical information which I know they shouldn't have known, so the fact that they were both spamming me and that there'd been an abuse of my medical data (somehow, still not ascertained) was worrying
15:39:53 * nslater waves at tav
15:39:59 <sbp> clsn: so I badgered the company to tell me where they got this data from
15:40:02 <clsn> (though I could also imagine someone cold-calling that; almost everyone has been in SOME kind of accident...)
15:40:10 <clsn> Ah... Very sharp.
15:40:39 <sbp> clsn: first they said they didn't know. I badgered and badgered and then they said it was confidential. then I logiced them out and eventually they admitted that they did know and told me the source. then I told them thanks but I wasn't interested in their product and ended the call
15:41:00 <tav> heh, how'd you logic them out ?
15:41:06 <clsn> Heh... "It's so secret we can't even tell THEM we got it from them."
15:41:07 <sbp> clsn: so then I checked the website of the company that was said to have done this "survey", which was suspicious because me and my family tend as a rule not to do any surveys
15:41:23 <sbp> tav: well he'd said that this information was collected by a public suvey
15:41:36 <sbp> er, survey. but then he said that the company name of the people who did the survey was confidential
15:41:55 <clsn> One of my Drs is dealing with something similar. "See, you signed a contract 12 years ago that says you get less money from the insurance company." "Um, can I see it? I don't remember any contract." "No, we can't show you the contract. Trust us, it's real."
15:42:02 <sbp> and I said wait, if the survey was a public one, then surely I would have been told the company name of the surveyers when I did the survey. therefore it's public information, and therefore you can divulge it again now
15:42:08 <sbp> so after more insisting, he finally told me
15:42:39 <sbp> clsn: yeah, I was wondering if it was a cold-call, trying random chance
15:42:46 <sbp> but two things weigh against that:
15:43:00 <sbp> 1) my phone line is registered to a female member of the family, but they asked for me
15:43:25 <sbp> 2) ...I forget the second thing
15:43:31 * clsn laughs...
15:43:46 <sbp> but trust me, it's real! :-)
15:43:57 <clsn> Yeah, hearing a lot of that lately...
15:44:04 <sbp> hehe
15:44:27 <sbp> oh, wait, the second thing is that he did (eventually, after *lying* to me) divulge the name of the source
15:44:34 <nslater> Monty!
15:44:37 <sbp> which indicates that there was a source, it wasn't just made up
15:44:39 <clsn> I see.
15:44:42 <Monty> tbh, the official sponsors of money from us anyway by law (though I don't remember any updates on in there is also one back in my money to think
15:44:52 <clsn> And the lying part does not make one feel great either.
15:45:08 <sbp> no, very annoying. not a good way for a company to act if they're trying to get your trust
15:45:09 <clsn> I am in the middle of all kinds of similarly pleasant calls with insurance companies. yay.
15:45:15 <sbp> bleh
15:45:42 <clsn> I told you about the time we called a company to ask them to maybe change their policy before it killed someone, and all they would do was refer me to the Attorney General.
15:45:54 <sbp> ...nope?
15:45:58 <clsn> Oh, thought I had.
15:46:23 <clsn> OK, so our insurance company had this mail-in pharmacy they liked us to use: you mail in prescriptions, they mail you drugs, etc.
15:46:54 <clsn> It happened on a day that we got a letter from the pharmacy saying they wouldn't fill the prescription, because they heard from the doctor and we should stop taking the meds.
15:47:02 <sbp> . o O { sounds insecure! }
15:47:21 <clsn> And we thought, "Huh?" And we checked with the doctors, and nobody had heard of anything about that, etc.
15:47:27 <sbp> woah, weird
15:47:45 <clsn> It turns out that the pharmacy or insurance company had for whatever reason thought we weren't covered anymore, and this is how they tell people.
15:47:54 <sbp> !
15:48:07 <clsn> Now, we knew what we were doing, and we resolved the issue, and nothing bad happened, and nobody was hurt.
15:48:21 <clsn> But if they blithely tell people to quit taking medication, someone is going to die.
15:48:39 <sbp> is that even legal? it sounds like it's basically posing as a doctor... or functionally equivalent
15:48:43 <sbp> saying that your doctor said a particular medical thing
15:48:58 <clsn> And so I told them. I don't want any money from you, no harm was done, just STOP DOING THIS BEFORE YOU FUCKING KILL SOMEONE.
15:48:59 <Monty> potty mouth!
15:49:01 <sbp> did you contact your DA?
15:49:16 <sbp> sorry, AG even
15:49:32 <clsn> They wouldn't even register the polite request to refrain from killing people. All they would say was "you have to talk to the AG." *Shrug* So I did.
15:49:34 <sbp> I presume your AG is like in the UK though, only one for the whole country?
15:49:40 <clsn> No, one for each state.
15:49:41 <sbp> cool. what happened?
15:49:43 <sbp> aha
15:49:49 <clsn> I had to contact the AG in their state (Texas).
15:49:55 <sbp> ah
15:50:06 <_bjoern> "STOP DOING THIS BEFORE YOU FUCKING KILL SOMEONE" - you've been to the white house again?
15:50:06 <phenny> _bjoern: 13:40Z <darobin> tell _bjoern I'm surprised that he would even know about de Funès
15:50:06 <Monty> potty mouth!
15:50:10 <_bjoern> Oh Texas, right, same thing.
15:50:22 * _bjoern goes all :O
15:50:22 <clsn> Well, the wheels of justice and of government grind exceedingly slow. But they didn't forget, and did eventually get back to me.
15:50:27 <sbp> woah, darobin was here?
15:50:36 <_bjoern> #svg perhaps
15:50:39 <sbp> oh, he wasn't
15:50:55 <clsn> And they slowly followed up, whatever... Eventually telling me that they worked it out and investigated and presumably had convinced the company to stop doing that.
15:51:08 <sbp> oh wait, yes he was
15:51:08 <clsn> Basically "yeah, we cleared it up." Which is really all I was looking for.
15:51:09 <_bjoern> phenny, tell darobin quite popular in germany actually, in mine days anyway.
15:51:09 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when darobin is around.
15:51:33 <sbp> clsn: awesome. well done!
15:52:32 <clsn> Meanwhile we have to be going through similar stuff both at home and at my wife's business... the company she pays to make sure her claims get to the insurance companies can't quite explain why her claims aren't getting to the insurance companies.
15:54:20 <tav> so, ehm, sbp -- how did this company get the information during the "public survey" ?
15:54:40 <clsn> I'm thinking I should write my own brief primer of heraldry on the pyBlazon wiki, with examples. Among all the other things I should be doing today.
15:54:45 <_bjoern> .gc outvoice
15:54:46 <phenny> outvoice: 9,370
15:55:01 <clsn> .g groot
15:55:02 <phenny> clsn: http://www.groot.com/
15:55:05 <clsn> .title
15:55:11 <phenny> clsn: Groot Industries | Chicago Crown Waste Removal | Chicago Waste Collection | Chicago Waste Collection Service | Chicago Construction Waste Removal | Chicago Waste Compactor Service | Chicago Rolloff Du[...]
15:55:20 <clsn> Was just curious.
15:55:40 <sbp> tav: well as I say, a) as a rule me and my family don't do these kinds of surveys, and b) I don't *remember* doing any such survey or giving that kind of data out. so that's suspicious already
15:55:51 * clsn has to blog SOMEthing today. and emails...
15:56:22 <_bjoern> blog about your memories of Oxford.
15:56:48 <sbp> tav: but secondly, even if they did do some survey and I just forgot it, the survey company website says that they *don't* under any circumstances give information out to marketers and private companies who'll be soliciting for business over the phone. they just don't do that. I was told by a man at the Marketing Research Society that they're mainly connected with getting data for the government, anyway
15:56:51 <clsn> I am, owing to some inexplicable set of circumstances and possible some kind of temporal error, forty years old today. Have to blog about that.
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15:57:01 <sbp> woah. happy birthday!
15:57:11 <_bjoern> Condolences.
15:57:12 <sbp> and tack on all the jokes about being forty, blah blah
15:57:17 <sbp> yeah, like that one
15:57:25 <clsn> Thanks... :) It's okay, I'm pretty sure it's some kind of mistake.
