00:01:19 <_bjoern> The people of Flake have been captured by Normannen!
00:01:51 * _bjoern checks out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Normannen.png
00:04:05 <therethinker> "Beer is now cheaper than gas. Drink, don't drive"
00:04:55 <_bjoern> url?
00:05:20 <_bjoern> thinking about it, this has been the case for a long time, no?
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00:19:13 <Monty> hi MoiraA_, how ya doing?
00:19:22 <_bjoern> hi MoiraA_, how ya doing?
00:21:31 <therethinker> hi MoriaA_, how ya doing?
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00:32:13 <_bjoern> Are there any life forms that invade your ear to lay their eggs there, or do something similar?
00:32:21 <_bjoern> The key point is the ear.
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00:45:54 <_bjoern> hi MoiraA, how ya doing?
00:48:25 <therethinker> hi MoiraA, how ya doing?
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01:02:21 <therethinker> why can't I get these sed games to work?!
01:02:34 <_bjoern> there are sed games?
01:04:05 <therethinker> Mhmm
01:04:13 <therethinker> http://sed.sourceforge.net/#gamez
01:04:22 <therethinker> sed's that awesome
01:04:29 <therethinker> I can't get any of them to work though... life hates me
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01:05:47 <_bjoern> .gc in soviet russia pony wants YOU
01:05:48 <phenny> in soviet russia pony wants YOU: 10,600
01:07:56 <therethinker> OH
01:07:57 <therethinker> I got it
01:08:26 <_bjoern> "colorized by sedsed, a sed script debugger/indenter/tokenizer/HTMLizer"
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01:14:37 <therethinker> Haha, these are awesome
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04:00:54 <procto> `
04:20:34 <xover> ´
04:20:34 <phenny> xover: 18 May 15:40Z <sbp> tell xover Wal-Mart is richer than Norway: http://www.corporations.org/system/top100.html
04:21:50 <xover> phenny: tell sbp This surprises you? They have more employees than we have citizens!
04:21:51 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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05:42:24 <Mike_L> hmm
05:46:42 <xover> mmh?
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05:48:41 <Mike_L> !hmm
05:48:42 <swhask> Unknown command, try @list
05:48:53 <xover> !shaddup
05:48:54 <swhask> Unknown command, try @list
05:49:00 <xover> !sodoff
05:49:01 <swhask> Unknown command, try @list
05:49:04 <xover> !foad
05:49:04 <swhask> dummy module failed: IRCRaised Prelude.read: no parse
05:49:18 <xover> @swhask--
05:49:20 <Mike_L> heh
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06:00:37 <xover> Ok. So an announced /away message _and_ a nick change?
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06:01:25 <xover> Oh and a !/away message. Death of The Net Predicted! .FLV At 11!
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07:02:42 <Monty> bah, it's leobard again
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07:15:56 <Monty> hi shepazu
07:17:17 <RobotGuy> Hi all
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07:32:14 <Monty> hi mmmmmrob, how ya doing?
07:33:37 <cre8radix> re:hi
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07:47:14 <sbp> phenny: tell clsn that France Ancient, Azure semy de lis or, doesn't work
07:47:15 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when clsn is around.
07:47:16 <phenny> sbp: 00:51Z <_bjoern> tell sbp chexx out Barrierfreeman k
07:47:17 <phenny> sbp: 05:13Z <xover> tell sbp This surprises you? They have more employees than we have citizens!
07:47:23 <sbp> ha
07:47:34 <sbp> .g Barrierfreeman
07:47:35 <phenny> sbp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrierfreeman
07:47:50 <sbp> ha
07:48:14 <sbp> [[[
07:48:14 <sbp> Chichi Obi Mekurumashi (乳帯目眩まし,, Blinding Breast Obi?)
07:48:15 <sbp> Jijoman throws a bra into the opponent's face, covering their eyes and blinding them.
07:48:15 <sbp> ]]]
07:48:21 <_bjoern> You should start with .wik in the future.
07:48:36 <sbp> well, .g was less typing with the same result
07:48:41 <sbp> though less of an excerpt
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07:51:06 <sbp> pfft, I can't get any semy to work
07:51:11 <sbp> I thought I did once though...
07:51:29 <sbp> ah yes, or semy of roundels sable semy of billets argent works
07:51:52 <sbp> but or semy de lis argent is no worky
07:52:07 <sbp> ha, or semy of fleurs de lis argent works though
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08:04:08 <_bjoern> Oh I should perhaps have said that Accessibility/Accessible is usually called Barrierefreiheit/barrierefrei (barrier-free) here.
08:07:41 <sbp> phenny: tell clsn hmm, your tenne is a bit dark. and how come bordures are so wide?
08:07:41 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when clsn is around.
08:07:51 <sbp> phenny: tell clsn DUDE TOTALLY STRESS-TESTING UR TOOL LOLS!
08:07:52 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when clsn is around.
08:08:26 <sbp> _bjoern: but wouldn't that make me less confused, which violates your primary directive?
08:08:47 <_bjoern> but wouldn't that make you less confused, which violates my primary directive?
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08:09:09 <sbp> I... eek
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08:15:38 <sbp> phenny: tell clsn another fail: “Per bend sinister ermine and azure, a bend counterchanged and cotised or.” - but it works without the cotissing
08:15:38 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when clsn is around.
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08:20:56 <Monty> yo _bjoern!
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09:06:37 <Monty> lo _bjoern
09:08:18 <nsh> plum: how many goats exactly does nslater have?
09:08:24 <plum> lol, if you have many many use cases that all demand similar solutions, with how many times do i have to cite the same paragraph.
09:09:00 <nsh> plum: depends how damning that paragraph is, and how specific in details of alleged bestiality
09:09:02 <plum> gqap to reformat a paragraph? that's an implementation detail.
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09:50:33 <sbp> hmm, semy of <URI> doesn't work
09:50:55 <sbp> oh wait, it does if I give it a colour!
09:51:06 <nslater> plum, pls dont cite any goat related material, thanks
09:51:09 <plum> this is five pages of introductory material so far, how to play pls.
09:58:27 <kpreid> phenny: tell chandler http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/05/captcha_paintings.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B4898490 (noted previously by therethinker) contains something of yours
09:58:27 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when chandler is around.
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11:18:32 <clsn> sbp: semy de lis apparently got munged in the lexer rewrite; I fixed that.
11:18:32 <phenny> clsn: 08:39Z <sbp> tell clsn that France Ancient, Azure semy de lis or, doesn't work
11:18:34 <phenny> clsn: 08:59Z <sbp> tell clsn hmm, your tenne is a bit dark. and how come bordures are so wide?
11:18:35 <phenny> clsn: 08:59Z <sbp> tell clsn DUDE TOTALLY STRESS-TESTING UR TOOL LOLS!
11:18:37 <phenny> clsn: 09:07Z <sbp> tell clsn another fail: “Per bend sinister ermine and azure, a bend counterchanged and cotised or.” - but it works without the cotissing
11:18:56 <clsn> I told you you can only cotise the same color.
11:19:52 <clsn> sbp: added buncha stuff to http://code.google.com/p/pyblazon/wiki/BlazonIntro et al.
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11:29:04 <sbp> cotise the same colour: yeah, sorry, realised that afterwards
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11:29:45 <sbp> yay, Charges!
11:30:50 <clsn> Yep... next I guess is charges on ordinaries and charges on charges.
11:30:55 <sbp> :-)
11:30:57 <clsn> After that you're probably on your own.
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11:52:23 <procto> clsn: oh, that's an interesting projecting. using PIL?
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11:52:57 <clsn> PIL?
11:53:26 <clsn> Home page is at http://web.meson.org/pyBlazon/ ; server is at http://web.meson.org/blazonserver/
11:53:37 <clsn> Uses PLY, a Python port of Lex/Yacc
11:54:06 <procto> PIl = python imaging library
11:54:47 <clsn> Ah. No, draws SVG using SVGdraw, which is a very simple and no-longer-supported library for SVG. Not much more than a small wrapper around ordinary XML tools really.
11:55:54 <Arnia> gules a base vert one mullet argent
11:56:12 <Arnia> Blazon is so... dense
11:56:53 <Arnia> hmm... off again
11:57:28 <procto> clsn: ido m trying to make mullets co on one side of a field
11:57:32 <procto> I'm*
11:57:51 <procto> clsn: I thought I could do something likE: Per fess nebuly Or and sable 7 mullets of seven points azure .
11:58:17 <clsn> Blazonry in general is somewhat limiting in what it will allow you to do, and pyBlazon even more so due to its own limitations.
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11:58:49 <clsn> You can do sneaky things to get them all at the top, maybe... Or, hmm, I do have some placement code, it tends not to be used because the grammar is iffy. Let me see.
11:59:10 <procto> as opposed to a heraldic standard?
11:59:18 <procto> restriction-wise, that is?
11:59:37 * clsn might have screwed that code up it seems.
11:59:40 <procto> or a coat of arms and such
11:59:57 <clsn> Only certain things were generally done in coats of arms.
12:00:20 <procto> the arms are usually basically the blazon shield surrounded with some furry things, yes?
12:00:23 <clsn> Arrangements of charges were usually symmetrical for instance.
12:00:48 <clsn> Well, the rest of the achievement of arms could include supporters, a helm, a crest, and so forth.
12:00:57 <clsn> And there's blazonry for those too.
12:01:02 <clsn> But I'm only workingon the shield.
12:02:56 <clsn> sbp: naughty blazon. Takes advantage of quirks and bugs, hacking pyBlazon: or a triangle inverted sable in base between two roundels gules 2 0 and 0 between two flaunches sable
12:03:45 <procto> when I do this: Per fess or and Gyronny of 32 azure and sable
12:03:58 <procto> the bottom gyrony is centered on the center of the whole shield
12:04:09 <procto> rather than in the middle of the bottom part
12:04:14 <procto> is that proper?
12:04:19 <clsn> I'm pretty sure that's what most heralds would understand it to mean.,
12:04:31 <clsn> (no, it isn't proper, it's gyronny! But I think it's correct)
12:04:55 <clsn> (proper means something else in blazonry)
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12:11:12 <procto> hehe
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12:11:47 <procto> clsn: this is incredbily addictive
12:12:57 <clsn> Really? Cool... You can look up real-life blazons; I think I have a link to them someplace.
12:13:08 <clsn> I have very few charges supported; to me the cool thing is how it handles theones it has.
12:14:08 <procto> the one thing it mis-handles, at least as far as my understanding of the syntax goes is change placement
12:14:24 <procto> the charges are always put on top od the whole blazon no mattel what
12:14:26 <procto> matter*
12:14:43 <procto> whereas I'd imagine they should "attach" to whateven you specified as background
12:15:29 <clsn> sbp was talking about something similar recently. But I'm not sure you are right. Background is background, and *should* be distinct from the charges.
12:16:55 <procto> so I shouldn't be able to stick the charge on one side of a partition?
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12:17:27 <procto> they get superimposed over thi whole thing in an oRdinary pattern?
12:17:49 <clsn> Blazonry would let you say things like "per fess azure and gules a demi-lion rampant or issuant from the line of partition", but pyBlazon won't.
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12:19:20 <procto> what about: or 7 roundels in chevron sable
12:19:24 <procto> that doesn't work
12:19:36 <procto> does it only support a limited number of ordinaries for charge arrangement?
12:20:36 <clsn> Yeah, the "in chevron" is done by hand and I guess I didn't put in that many into the array.
12:20:47 <clsn> You can try "in annulo" though, which is cool. :)
12:21:34 <procto> that's undocumented! tsk tsk
12:22:01 <procto> I was trying to de "in bordure" but that fails
12:23:19 <nsh> .gs preponderance of *
12:23:20 <clsn> It's "in orle". Probably can't do that many.
12:23:22 <phenny> preponderance of *: evidence (12), thiopurine (3), the evidence (3), perjury (3), maruo (3), depurinating (3), theevidence (2), power (2), ponderances (2), nonpro (2)
12:23:23 <procto> can i do "in crescento"?
12:23:39 <clsn> The intro to blazonry pages never claimed to be exhaustive.
12:23:40 <nsh> .wik Thiopurine
12:23:41 <phenny> "The thiopurine drugs are purine antimetabolites widely used in the treatment of acute lymphoblastic leukemia, autoimmune disorders (e.g., Crohn's disease, rheumatoid arthritis) and organ transplant recipients." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiopurine
12:23:55 <clsn> No, I don't know what "in crescento" would even be.
12:24:07 <nsh> .ety preponderance
12:24:08 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "preponderance". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=preponderance
12:24:15 <clsn> In annulo also *rotates* the charges appropriately around the circle.
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12:25:59 <procto> clsn: can i have more than one charge?
12:26:03 <procto> i.i.
12:26:11 <procto> i.e. sable 11 mullets of seven points in orle or 1 escutcheon azure
12:26:40 <clsn> Yes, though they might not interact quite the way you want. That isn't the right way to blazon that, and it won't work... I have a hack that will *sorta* do it.
12:26:47 <clsn> Though actually you can do that one easier:
12:27:56 <clsn> azure within a bordure sable charged with 11 mullets of seven points argent.
12:28:03 <clsn> You forgot to color the mullets btw.
12:28:32 <clsn> You can also try "sable an escutcheon azure between 11 mullets of seven points argent in orle"
12:29:31 <clsn> It's often a tossup whether something is "X a bordure Y" or "Y an escutcheon X"...
12:29:39 <procto> I see
12:29:59 <clsn> The "within" is a pyBlazon glitch.
12:30:35 <procto> this ends up pretty nice: Purpure Lion rampant or within a bordure sable charged with 11 mullets of seven points or.
12:31:27 <procto> clsn: http://perso.numericable.fr/~briantimms/rolls/falkirkH.html #18
12:31:39 <procto> it's the charlie brown standard!
12:31:47 <procto> I mean blazon
12:31:57 <clsn> Yeah, I know, that's what I think whenever I see that one. :)
12:32:04 <clsn> Or a fess dancetty sable.
12:32:08 <nsh> .gc scofflaw
12:32:09 <phenny> scofflaw: 112,000
12:32:13 <nsh> awesome word
12:32:42 <clsn> A real blazonry geek might insist that you blazon your mullets as "11 mullets of seven points of the second", and pyBlazon will accept that too, so there. :)
12:33:27 <clsn> i.e. of the second color mentioned, or. Some people don't think you should mention a given color more than once in a blazon. I think that can be taken too far though.
12:34:30 <clsn> Someone's trying to do marshalling... that simply won't happen for a while yet.
12:34:59 <procto> why does this fail: Quarterly first and fourth argent three fusils gules second and third azure a lion rampant or
12:35:05 <clsn> Oh, so it's you.
12:35:08 <procto> hehe
12:35:38 <clsn> Quarterly is currently not going to do anything except act like "per cross". Marshalling is really complex; I don't even want to go there yet.
12:35:48 <clsn> Do you understand what you're asking for?
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12:36:25 <procto> Yes :>
12:36:43 <clsn> It's basically two distinct blazons, placed on the same shield.
12:37:32 <procto> I see
12:38:02 <procto> why do so many of them thing having a bend and then a label (also called crowned?) on top looks good?
12:38:06 <procto> think
12:38:28 <clsn> Well, keep in mind. This wasn't fashion. It wasn't about what "looks good." That's first of all.
12:38:37 <clsn> Second of all, a label had a particular meaning.
12:38:53 <clsn> A label was the difference that an eldest son bore before he could bear his father's arms.
12:39:14 <clsn> it also passed into becoming an ordinary in its own right, so it isn't perfectly consistent.
12:39:57 <clsn> The stuff on briantimms is from an actual roll of arms from way back when, not some SCA stuff now where people make up arms that look good to them.
12:40:22 <clsn> Oh, you're on the background to judaism page...
12:41:55 <clsn> phenny, tell sbp naughty blazon. Takes advantage of quirks and bugs, hacking pyBlazon: or a triangle inverted sable in base between two roundels gules 2 0 and 0 between two flaunches sable. NSFW
12:41:55 <phenny> clsn: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
12:42:24 <clsn> procto: you might do better just reading the "Alas" document in the original Hebrew.
12:43:18 <procto> haha, watching live access feed?
12:44:10 <procto> I like how you signed the book in hebrew as Micha
12:44:35 <clsn> It's my Hebrew name... only made sense.
12:44:37 <procto> that's what most of my friends would call me in hebrew
12:44:45 <procto> as Mike is to Michael
12:45:04 * clsn missed where you went to the comparing torah...
12:45:20 <procto> though some called me just "mikh", I guess a sort of vocative case
12:45:51 <procto> because my brother addressed me in russian as "mish", rather than the usual "misha"
12:46:05 <procto> except "mikh" sounds much funnier
12:46:24 <clsn> There's a family nearby here with a son Micha whom his mother sometimes called "Mikh".
12:46:28 <clsn> It's to be expected.
12:47:15 <clsn> Someone's trying the nsfw blazon...
12:47:31 <procto> I wonder how I can design an experiment to distinguish just a general contraction from a vocative one
12:48:05 <clsn> Vocatives have all sorts of stuff... Yiddish likes to add the double-diminutive...
12:48:34 <procto> also, I would imagine the guy's name is Yuval Kfir
12:48:40 <procto> rather than Kafir
12:49:01 <procto> like the fighter jet :>
12:49:10 <clsn> As opposed to "infidel" :)
12:49:13 <clsn> Probably. :)
12:51:42 <procto> ahahaha: אזי תראה את גאנדאלף האפור באין מעילו עליו
12:52:08 <procto> that is the most awkward direct translation of a metaphor I've ever seen
12:52:16 <procto> hilasrious, too
12:52:39 <clsn> There are a lot of horrendous things referenced in that document. And he only scratched the surface.
12:52:57 <procto> maybe that's why I couldn't stand reading it in hebrew
12:53:09 <clsn> I read it in Hebrew once, I think. In the "old" translation no less.
12:53:16 <clsn> And yeah, I saw most of those. :)
12:53:17 <procto> I started it in hebrew twice and could never read it more than a little bit in
12:53:26 <procto> but I was 9
12:53:34 <procto> it was just boring as tell :>
12:53:50 <procto> I still think it's rather boring, and undeserving of the degree of adulation
12:54:14 <procto> I enjoyed the silmarillion much more
12:54:31 <procto> because it lets you enjoy the scope of imagination without all the incredibly clunky prose and plot
12:56:26 <clsn> Silmarillion I had more trouble reading.
12:56:28 <procto> though I did print out the full quenya course on the ardallambion site
12:56:34 <procto> in highschool
12:56:41 <procto> it's still somewhere around the house
12:56:49 <procto> it's a stack of paper about a foot high
12:56:50 <clsn> It gets really bogged down a little ways in, and you have to get past that. Though the last time I tried I had no trouble.
12:57:19 <procto> and the only poem I still have memorized is namarie
12:58:06 * nsh should commit more poetry to memory
12:58:42 <nsh> i used to have a nice edition of lewis carrol's complete works and it had a reference to a book of good things to memorise
12:58:51 <nsh> proverbs, aphorisms, poems, etc.
12:59:21 <procto> I used to have jabberwocky memorized in 4 languages
12:59:23 <nsh> possibly compiled by carrol -- can't remember
12:59:25 <procto> alas, no longer
12:59:36 * nsh smiles
12:59:53 <procto> the hebrew translation was quite good
13:00:09 <procto> I liked it better than the french
13:00:13 <procto> and about on pro with the russian
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13:03:23 * nsh wonders if there's a chav gangsta rap version
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13:29:51 <Monty> bah, it's Morbus again
13:35:51 <procto> http://pastebin.com/d6eebec91
13:47:54 <_bjoern> .title http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/may08/05-18statement.mspx
13:47:55 <phenny> _bjoern: Microsoft Issues Statement Regarding Yahoo!: Microsoft announced that it is continuing to explore and pursue its alternatives to improve and expand its online services and advertising business.
13:51:06 <nslater> Monty: I just noticed the topic :(
13:51:10 <Monty> Erm, rebellious mechanical exercise bike touches deceased soppy fridge.
13:51:32 <nslater> Monty: that's what the goat said >:(
13:51:33 <Monty> Goatse.
13:51:57 <nslater> Monty: yep @:>}{
13:51:58 <Monty> hahahahaha
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