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00:01:40 <Arnia> see where I'm coming from?
00:06:55 <sbp> [[[
00:06:56 <sbp> One universal law that Comte saw at work in all sciences he called the 'law of three phases'. It is by his statement of this law that he is best known in the English-speaking world; namely, that society has gone through three phases: Theological, Metaphysical, and Scientific.
00:07:00 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Comte
00:07:40 <Arnia> Naturally of course, we're at the pinnacle :p
00:11:35 <sbp> or on our way to the infinite pinnacle, if you're a singularitarian
00:11:42 <sbp> [[[
00:11:42 <sbp> 1. Theological Stage
00:11:42 <sbp> 1. Fetishism
00:11:42 <sbp> 2. Polytheism
00:11:44 <sbp> 3. Monotheism
00:11:47 <sbp> ]]] - ibid.
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00:13:00 <sbp> .gc "百花齊放，百家爭鳴"
00:13:01 <phenny> "百花齊放，百家爭鳴": 519,000
00:13:03 <sbp> .g "百花齊放，百家爭鳴"
00:13:03 <phenny> sbp: http://www.china.com.cn/chinese/zhuanti/jnmzd/465601.htm
00:14:54 <sbp> translation: "Let a hundred flowers bloom; let a hundred schools of thought contend."
00:15:02 <sbp> author: Mao Zedong
00:16:01 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign contends that Mao wanted the flowers to bloom so he could know what, exactly, to trample
00:20:08 <nslater> Arnia: yes, sorry for the delayed response, email drama :)
00:20:44 <sbp> “In Roman mythology, Veritas (meaning truth) was the goddess of truth, a daughter of Saturn and the mother of Virtue. It was believed that she hid in the bottom of a holy well because she was so elusive.” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veritas
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00:32:21 <sbp> “This was actually typical of Heidegger as he often chose to study shoes and shoe maker shops as an example for the analysis of a culture.” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_the_Work_of_Art
00:34:18 <Arnia> Shoe fetish?
00:34:57 <Arnia> Anyway, I'm off to the DSU to sit and think
00:36:39 <sbp> bwahaha: “Harry Levin, a Shakespeare scholar at Harvard during the 1960's was fond of noting that the Shakespeare Concordance contained page after page of explanations of the source of "ducdame," its etymology and probable meaning. Citing a number of these he would wryly observe that Jaques explanation was probably the most correct.” - http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Transwiki:Ducdame
00:36:41 <sbp> Arnia: enjoy
00:39:01 <sbp> interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Temperaments#Historical_Development
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01:24:22 <cre8radix> oh
01:24:49 <cre8radix> the "philharmonie" berlin is on fire
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02:03:56 <Monty> lo darobin
02:05:25 <darobin> hey Monty
02:05:29 <Monty> My secret: pumping wriggling turds adores laughable saggy signs :P
02:05:46 <darobin> Monty: fix my email
02:05:46 <Monty> Your email ?
02:05:52 <darobin> Monty: fix it, bitch!
02:05:58 <Monty> kpreid: I'll pay my email in your ad brokers for anything in 99% in English." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiopurine
02:06:42 <darobin> Monty: you're just a stupid bot
02:06:43 <Monty> .goats
02:06:55 <darobin> Monty: goats are smarter than you are
02:06:55 <Monty> What makes you think I am ?
02:07:06 <darobin> Monty: I don't think you are
02:07:07 <Monty> jism == lime;
02:07:29 <darobin> Monty: how about seven up?
02:07:31 <Monty> someha is eye-popping and creamy :(
02:07:55 <darobin> Monty: goats and creamy eye-popping jism?
02:07:58 <Monty> I've heard that you grow up with traffic-lights!!!
02:08:12 <darobin> Monty: don't change the subject
02:08:13 <Monty> My uncle used
02:08:25 <darobin> Monty: used what?
02:08:26 <Monty> dave: 255,000,000
02:08:42 <darobin> Monty: I'm sorry, I'm afraid I can't do that
02:08:43 <Monty> (Dave2/cats)
02:08:51 <darobin> Monty: don't involve cats
02:08:51 <Monty> Earlier you said your email .
02:09:01 <darobin> Monty: earlier I said screw you
02:09:01 <Monty> ð?µo ð?¼!
02:09:10 <darobin> Monty: okay, I give up
02:09:10 <Monty> O_o
02:12:42 <Talliesin> Comte would presumably despair of me
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02:13:26 <sbp> nah, he'd be cool with it
02:13:29 <sbp> yo darobin, Talliesin!
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02:14:35 <darobin> yo
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02:37:29 <nsh> .ety obfuscate
02:37:30 <phenny> "1536, from L. obfuscatus, pp. of obfuscare 'to darken,' from ob 'over' + fuscare 'to make dark,' from fuscus 'dark.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=obfuscate
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02:41:54 <tonybaloney867> .ety bacterium
02:41:54 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "bacterium". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=bacterium
02:42:00 <tonybaloney867> .ety bacteria
02:42:00 <phenny> "1847, from Mod.L. pl. of bacterium, from Gk. bakterion 'small staff,' dim. of baktron 'stick, rod,' from PIE *bak- 'staff used for support.' So called because the first ones observed were rod-shaped." - http://etymonline.com/?term=bacteria
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03:08:39 <nicomen> .ety baccus
03:08:39 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "baccus". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=baccus
03:08:44 <nicomen> .ety bakkus
03:08:44 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "bakkus". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=bakkus
03:08:47 <nicomen> pft
03:11:01 <clsn> .ety bacchus
03:11:02 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "bacchus". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=bacchus
03:11:15 <clsn> (that's how the god's name is spelled I think)
03:13:53 <sbp> .wik Bacchus
03:13:53 <phenny> "Dionysus, the Greek god of wine and intoxication, known as Bacchus to Romans" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacchus
03:15:22 <sbp> .ety Bacchanal
03:15:22 <phenny> "1536, from L. bacchanalis 'having to do with Bacchus' (Gk. Bakkhos), god of wine and revelry." - http://etymonline.com/?term=Bacchanal
03:15:35 <sbp> continuing: ‘His name is perhaps related to L. bacca "berry." Meaning "riotous, drunken roistering; orgy" is from 1711; Bacchanalia in this sense is from 1633, from the name of the Roman festival held in honor of Bacchus. Bacchae "female attendants of Bacchus" is from Gk. Bakkhai, pl. of Bakkhe.’
03:19:04 <nsh> .gs Vivvat *
03:19:05 <phenny> Vivvat *: fotograf (2)
03:19:09 <nsh> .gs Vivat *
03:19:10 <phenny> Vivat *: sanraiz (7), bacchus (7), haileyburia (5), donkeekong (4), cargoooooooo (4), valeatque moechis (3), optant (3), lingua (3), io vivat nostrorum (3)
03:19:40 <nsh> .g vivat bacchus london
03:19:41 <phenny> nsh: http://www.vivatbacchus.co.uk/
03:20:49 * nsh chuckles
03:21:12 <nsh> [[[ There are several other instances of the alla turca topic in Die Entführung, most of which occur during Osmin’s arias. In Act I, Scene 3, No. 3, he enumerates the various tortures he would like to inflict on Pedrillo; “First you’ll be beheaded,/ Then you’ll be hanged,/ Then impaled/ On red-hot pikes,/ Then burned,/ Then manacled/ And drowned;/ Finally flayed alive”.7 ]]]...
03:21:14 <nsh> ...---http://www.bpmonlin
03:21:15 <nsh> e.org.uk/bpm8/Hammond.html
03:21:18 <nsh> ( http://www.bpmonline.org.uk/bpm8/Hammond.html )
03:21:19 <nsh> stupid chatzilla
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03:24:16 <MoiraA> creepy topic
03:27:41 <sbp> .wik Die Entführung
03:27:43 <phenny> "Die Entführung aus dem Serail (K. 384; in English The Abduction from the Seraglio; also known as Il Seraglio) is an opera Singspiel in three acts by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Entf%C3%BChrung_aus_dem_Serail
03:30:35 <_bjoern> .gc "Scherz, List und Rache"
03:30:36 <phenny> "Scherz, List und Rache": 2,480
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04:13:15 <_bjoern> .title http://mediamatters.org/items/200805130001
04:13:16 <phenny> _bjoern: Media Matters - Military analysts named in Times exposé appeared or were quoted more than 4,500 times on broadcast nets, cables, NPR
04:14:07 <chandler> .title http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/13/the-emnytems-selective-mi_n_101015.html
04:14:09 <phenny> chandler: The NYT's Selective, Misleading Pentagon Story - Media on The Huffington Post
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04:34:49 <_bjoern> .c 4 USD per gallon in EUR per liter
04:34:50 <phenny> 4 (U.S. dollars per US gallon) = 0.676150633 Euros per liter
04:38:18 <thelsdj> christmas has come early!!!
04:38:26 <thelsdj> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/20/bbc.television2
04:38:28 <phenny> thelsdj: Steven Moffat to replace Russell T Davies as Doctor Who lead writer and executive producer | Media | guardian.co.uk
04:38:32 <thelsdj> (though i'm sure you guys have seen this)
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04:39:14 <_bjoern> Is that like killing Tasha Yar?
04:40:02 <thelsdj> something like that, yea
04:40:05 <xover> Hmm. This could get… interesting.
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04:50:54 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's xover!
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04:54:04 <nslater> HOWTO think about probems ("You (and I) suck. Plan for it. Expect it. Get over it."): http://warpedvisions.org/2008/05/16/howto-think-about-probems/
04:57:10 <sbp> 45:Warning: The title is the best thing about it.
04:57:23 <sbp> swhacker: help
04:57:28 <sbp> swhacker: help?
04:57:31 <nslater> sbp: are you kidding?
04:57:32 <sbp> kpreid: help
04:57:38 <sbp> heh, no
04:57:50 <sbp> did you see the typo? (probems)
04:57:50 <nslater> why? I loved it, agreed with everything in it, which is rare for me
04:57:57 <procto> is swhacker a chumpbot?
04:58:03 <nslater> no, I tend to to notice english mistakes ;)
04:58:07 <sbp> it's hollow advice mainly
04:58:12 <nslater> how so?
04:58:16 <sbp> a mixture of truisms and debatabilities
04:58:28 <sbp> well I'll go through it step by step if you like
04:58:33 <nslater> I distinctly remember me and you having a discussion about this exact topic and comming to the same conclusions
04:58:40 <_bjoern> I don't suck, I don't plan, don't expect, and never get over anything at all.
04:58:43 <sbp> 1) Every problem can be solved, and most are solved already.
04:58:44 <nslater> it's also something that a lot of developers don't realise
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04:59:10 <sbp> there are loads of software problems which are impossible. perfect spam filtering, for example
04:59:38 <sbp> the most solved already point is the old Patent Office circa 1900 contention: "every useful thing which can be invented has already been invented"
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04:59:48 <sbp> so #1 is just a mixture of wrong and bad advice
05:00:00 <sbp> 2) There aren’t just possibilities, there are many *great* possibilities.
05:00:08 <sbp> YEAH! YOU *GO* GIRL!
05:00:16 <sbp> i.e. this is just cheerleading
05:00:43 <nslater> I think you're being pedantic
05:00:48 <sbp> it's nice to be motivated by a random bullet point in a random blog article somewhere, but this purports to be telling me how to think about problems, not how to keep my motivation up
05:00:56 <sbp> not really. this is kinda rubbish
05:01:05 <sbp> all of these points are like this
05:01:09 <nsh> BOLLLLLOOOOOOCKKKSS
05:01:13 <sbp> they're what we termed techbunkum
05:01:17 <nslater> okay, what about this:
05:01:23 <nslater> "It’s your fault, until it isn’t."
05:01:30 <nslater> true, and valuable, and oft ignored
05:01:33 <_bjoern> sbp would never be being pedantic.
05:01:36 <sbp> oh yeah, I was going to single out that one as the most pernicious one
05:01:52 <nsh> there has been way too much use of the word pernicious in the last few days
05:02:03 <sbp> whenever software goes wrong, I always blame the software until I discover it was my fault
05:02:06 <nslater> what's your problem with that one?
05:02:12 <sbp> because people who don't do that tend to go a bit mad
05:02:13 <nsh> i think we might need to give it a STI battery test
05:02:29 <sbp> (just out of experience)
05:02:43 <nslater> I think you're turning into a technocurmudgeon in your old age ;)
05:02:53 <sbp> in other words, I think it bears out that people who follow that advice go nuts
05:03:13 <sbp> I'm not opposed to technology, just techbunkum
05:03:17 <sbp> I need to write an essay on this
05:03:31 <sbp> my denunciation of the Semantic Web stack was the start of it
05:03:39 <nslater> when the software you're using is a library, or a kernel or something it's statistically more probably that it's YOUR fault and it makes sense to keep that in mind
05:03:42 <sbp> you saw what kind of good technological ideas I was trying to foster
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05:03:56 <sbp> stuff like really good design patterns and whatnot, that's where the radness is
05:04:08 <sbp> heh, based on whose statistics?
05:04:12 <_bjoern> .gc "Ich würde die Kinder von 1000 Planeten töten, nur um dich lächeln zu sehen."
05:04:12 <sbp> I mean, I certainly don't find that
05:04:13 <phenny> "Ich würde die Kinder von 1000 Planeten töten, nur um dich lächeln zu sehen.": 9
05:04:24 <nslater> Arnia would say that design patterns are work arounds for language/environment deficiences
05:04:29 <sbp> I mean, mainly I just try to use things off the shelf
05:04:43 <sbp> if things that purport to work off the shelf don't, then am I to blame myself all the damn time?
05:05:01 <nslater> it's not talking about general software sbp, it's talking about WRITING software
05:05:17 <sbp> yes, when I write software I try to use off-the-shelf components
05:05:32 <sbp> I don't think that customising the crap out of everything leads to very easily usable code. quite obviously it doesn't
05:05:37 <nslater> so, if you're trying to get python to do something and it keeps crashing weirdly, you can bet good money it's because YOU made the mistake
05:05:54 <sbp> hmm. I've only ever had two weird problems with python
05:05:57 * nsh puts nslater in a portaloo and rolls it about
05:05:58 <sbp> and I reported them both as bugs
05:06:03 <sbp> and both times they were accepted as bugs
05:06:04 <nslater> ugh
05:06:13 <sbp> wait, actually, three
05:06:19 <sbp> there was a regexp bug that I never bothered to report
05:06:20 <nslater> so, you've never worked with a library and hit your head against the wall with a problem?
05:06:23 <sbp> but I suspect strongly it was a bug
05:06:30 <_bjoern> nu
05:06:32 <nsh> STOP NONVERSATING PLS
05:06:38 * nsh is getting tired of nonversations
05:06:40 <_bjoern> nu
05:07:22 <sbp> (nsh is indicating that aliens are laughing at us. I agree)
05:07:32 <MoiraA> ah sbp
05:07:34 <nsh> can't we talk about zombies going tittity-splodeface
05:07:35 <MoiraA> get my email?
05:07:43 * sbp gets back to listening to Appalachian funk music, rather than denouncing technobunkum
05:07:50 <sbp> (I'll denounce it more when nsh isn't listening)
05:07:54 <sbp> MoiraA: nope?
05:08:00 <MoiraA> ah I love that
05:08:04 <MoiraA> the appellation trail
05:08:11 <MoiraA> oh dear
05:08:15 <sbp> come again?
05:09:10 <MoiraA> can I resend?
05:09:13 <_bjoern> If I had a euro for every time ...
05:09:21 <sbp> what the...
05:09:22 <sbp> [[[
05:09:23 <sbp> In the previous digest -- SHK 19.0305 A Problem of Access -- Michael Best makes a plea for the use of XML (eXtensible Markup Language) as a means of responding to the "threat that future changes in technology will render earlier forms of electronic data" because XML is "a format that will be reliably modified to work on any future system."
05:09:26 <sbp> ]]] - SHAKSPER
05:09:33 <sbp> moreover, Hardy Cook on SHAKSPER
05:09:35 <MoiraA> it was just a continuation of our convo before my pc packed in
05:09:46 <sbp> I subscribe to these lists to fuckin' get away from XML
05:10:03 <sbp> and there I find people misspelling it and blathering...
05:10:04 <_bjoern> And you thought it'd work?
05:10:14 <sbp> MoiraA: oh, that. yeah, I got that
05:10:24 <sbp> _bjoern: somewhat naïve, I admit, but yes
05:10:33 <MoiraA> doh
05:10:43 <_bjoern> Subscribe to offline things to get away from XML.
05:10:52 <MoiraA> barely qualifies as email, I grant you :/
05:11:25 <sbp> [[[
05:11:25 <sbp> One of my reasons has to do with my experience with Microsoft's version of HTML. When I save a document using "Save as HTML" I generally have a great deal of extraneous code that Microsoft includes that I need to remove to have a clean HTML document. So my first question is do Office 2007's files in XML save to "a format that will be reliably modified to work on any future system"? In other words, is there the same problem with Microsoft's XML standard as there is
05:11:26 <sbp> with its HTML standard?
05:11:26 <sbp> ]]]
05:13:34 <sbp> man, this Malone Sonnets thread is hilarious
05:13:47 <sbp> oh well, at least that made up for the XML
05:16:47 <sbp> nslater: if I were going to write software design advice, it'd just be a list of heavily compacted design patterns, probably mostly nicked from c2.com and DanC
05:17:39 <nslater> sbp: and the reason I liked the article is because in a roundabout way it touches on something which I have had to learn the hard way, and that is an understanding and acceptance of one's own falability
05:18:10 <sbp> well that's your own fault... :-)
05:18:24 <nslater> ho ho ho
05:18:27 * nslater winks
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05:18:43 <Monty> yo idickinson!
05:18:43 <sbp> reminds me of Nobody's Fault But Mine, which is a good song
05:18:49 <sbp> in original and cover
05:20:15 <sbp> 6. Your intuition isn’t as good as you think it is.
05:20:35 <_bjoern> nurintuition
05:20:44 <thelsdj> hehe, i'm on a live 'web seminar' and i'm the only person there besides the presenter
05:20:46 <sbp> I prefer Morbus's Law: Sometimes I really am smarter than myself.
05:20:50 <sbp> thelsdj: ha
05:21:10 <thelsdj> maybe there are invisable peepz
05:21:26 <thelsdj> but i kinda doubt it
05:21:41 <Morbus> \o/
05:22:02 <sbp> [[[
05:22:02 <sbp> I also had a cinder of an idea, quite literally sparked from a dream the night before. Problems consume me, and it's pretty regularly that my subconscious solves them. I've come to rely on my unknown instincts: it's helped me through numerous video-game puzzles, proper approaches to writing about difficult topics, and epiphanies concerning technical or coding issues. Sometimes, I'm smarter than myself.
05:22:16 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.oreilly.com/pub/a/mac/2004/02/06/dialup.html?page=last
05:22:19 <thelsdj> .title http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0824747/
05:22:21 <phenny> thelsdj: Changeling (2008)
05:22:26 <thelsdj> could be cool, eastwood and JMS
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05:23:12 <thelsdj> the 'web seminar' doesn't really start for 7 more minutes so i guess people might show up
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05:23:28 <sbp> 18:26:30 <Andrew2k4> i hate to stereotype irc users but i cant stand coming into a room for the first time and being bombarded by people trying to prove they are smarter than myself
05:23:29 <sbp> 18:27:25 <d8uv> ANDREW2k4! SOLVE FOR X! 3x-4=8^3
05:23:39 <sbp> - http://swhack.com/logs/2005-08-25#T18-26-30
05:24:12 * sbp reviews the rest of those logs
05:24:23 <sbp> apparently this is just because Morbus argued with him about something
05:24:29 <Morbus> yes.
05:24:34 <sbp> good stuff
05:24:35 <thelsdj> 1691@@#!!
05:24:58 <sbp> .c (3 * 1691) - 4
05:24:58 <phenny> (3 * 1 691) - 4 = 5 069
05:25:03 <sbp> .c 8 ** 3
05:25:03 <phenny> 8 ** 3 = 512
05:25:06 <sbp> WRONG
05:25:08 <thelsdj> .c (3 * 169) - 4
05:25:08 <phenny> (3 * 169) - 4 = 503
05:25:16 <thelsdj> the second 1 was really a !
05:25:20 <Morbus> i hate to stereotype new joiners but i cant stand seeing someone come into a room for the first time without respecting the core tenet of most communities: lurk
05:25:22 <Morbus> \o/
05:25:24 <sbp> STILL WRONG
05:25:25 <Monty> ugh
05:25:25 <thelsdj> hrm
05:25:42 <sbp> heh, yeah
05:26:02 <thelsdj> 169 1/3
05:26:20 <sbp> well, I'd augment to: lurk unless approached
05:26:43 <sbp> i.e. First Rule of New Communities: don't piss on their flowerbeds, but always take candy from strangers
05:27:09 <sbp> or perhaps that's two rules masquerading as one
05:27:56 <Morbus> mMM, strangers.
05:28:11 <sbp> 18:45:07 <d8uv> Ghyll is the greatest game ever created. Which is why I don't play it
05:28:11 <sbp> 18:45:23 <Morbus> cos I put the fear in him. Be Quality, or Be Stomped.
05:28:26 * Morbus wipes a tear away for the good times.
05:28:39 <Morbus> sbp: i'll know more about playing a Ghyll PBP RPG when I get the monster manual on June 7th.
05:28:43 <sbp> this is great:
05:28:50 <sbp> 18:48:55 <Andrew2k4> ah Beck
05:28:51 <sbp> 18:48:58 <Andrew2k4> a great artist
05:28:51 <Morbus> if they have a bug like humanoid in there, i'll modify it to be a player character, and then figure the rest out :D
05:28:59 <sbp> reminds me of asking neo85 whether he was a Windows user
05:29:05 <thelsdj> oh this is awesome, i didn't call in to the teleconference # so i wonder if the presenter is talking to dead air now
05:29:07 <sbp> Morbus: okey dokey
05:29:40 <nslater> Swhack is very unlike most IRC channels though, in most places on freenode that are for support, it's perfectly acceptable to jump in, ask a question and it's not uncommon for some troll or other to try to humilate you
05:30:02 <nslater> (as an aside)
05:30:13 <Morbus> WHAT TE FUCK NSLATER?!
05:30:16 <Morbus> WERE WE TALKING TO YOU!?
05:30:17 <Morbus> JESUS.
05:30:20 <nslater> lawl
05:30:26 <sbp> .g "An invented world slowly becomes reality."
05:30:27 <phenny> sbp: http://www.disobey.com/detergent/quotes/database.txt
05:30:35 <Morbus> ahhaha
05:30:36 <sbp> where's that from plz Morbus omg tell
05:30:46 * nslater invents a world of girls and pizza
05:30:48 <Morbus> no idea. it's not attributed.
05:30:55 <Morbus> but it's the core concept behind consensus reality ;)
05:31:02 <Morbus> .g ghyll consensus reality
05:31:03 <phenny> Morbus: http://www.gamegrene.com/wiki/Cartographer's_Nerves
05:31:26 <sbp> hahaha: "The reason lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place is that the same place isn't there the second time."
05:31:27 <Monty> Morbus: http://www.gamegrene.com/wiki/Cartographer's_Nerves
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05:31:33 <sbp> ooh right
05:31:43 <nslater> wat
05:31:50 <nslater> Monty--
05:31:51 <Monty> ahhaha
05:31:55 <nslater> too right
05:32:17 <sbp> DELTAB: SIMPSONS
05:33:02 * clsn tried to hack a nice-ish sans italic font so it went to long-s automatically with OTF shtuff, but so far my openoffice, at least, isn't buying it.
05:38:10 <thelsdj> [[[
05:38:13 <thelsdj> Two elderly gentlemen, who had been without sex for several years, decided they needed to visit a whore house. When they arrived at the house, the Madame took one look at them and decided she wasn't going to waste any of her girls on these two old men.
05:38:17 <thelsdj> So she used "blowup" dolls instead. She put the dolls in each man's room and left them to their sins. After the two men were finished, they started for home and got to talking.
05:38:21 <thelsdj> The first man said, "I think the girl I had was dead. She never moved, talked or groaned. How was it for you?"
05:38:24 <thelsdj> The second man replied, "I think mine was a witch."
05:38:27 <thelsdj> The first man asked, "How's that?"
05:38:29 <thelsdj> "Well", said the second man, "when I nibbled on her breast...she farted and flew out the window!"
05:38:33 <thelsdj> ]]] - http://www.nimsnuts.com/hookers5.html
05:39:21 <clsn> .ety brothel
05:39:22 <phenny> "'bawdy house,' c.1593, shortened from brothel-house, from brothel 'prostitute' (1493), earlier 'vile person' (of either sex), 14c., from O.E. broðen pp. of breoðan 'deteriorate, go to ruin,' from P.Gmc. *breuthanan, var. of *breutanan 'to break.' In 16c. [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=brothel
05:43:13 <procto> hmhr
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06:02:10 <nsh> MANTABLES ON FIRE
06:02:42 <sbp> MANTABLE FIRE EXTINGUISHER FIND AND APPLY TO FIRE
06:03:41 <nslater> plum, what does nsh have to do with this?
06:03:44 <plum> nsh is apparently forgetful of his inclination, 4 to 5 tests to go.
06:04:10 <mahound> inclination?
06:04:16 <mahound> what kind of inclination, plum ?
06:04:18 <plum> bananas of the same kind also good, a kind of uh.
06:04:34 <nslater> plum, bannanas are a kind of "uh"?
06:04:38 <plum> it should be to constitute there's multiple kinds. would cause that kind of broken.
06:04:49 <jsled> plumannanas?
06:04:55 <plum> yes, but what kinds of stuff about vowel shifts and whatnot. lorvax is a kind of thing i have to really be thinking of to understand.
06:05:06 <nslater> .wik lorvax
06:05:07 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "lorvax".
06:06:11 <nslater> plum, what would cillit bang do to a pHenny?
06:06:14 <plum> there are 6 phennies running, you know who you should cast to play phenny? hehe
06:07:07 <nslater> appologies to everyone who isn't mahound and who doesnt get the references :p
06:07:35 <sbp> no problem. we tend to think of you as a kind of furby
06:07:43 <nslater> whaaa? why?
06:07:50 <mahound> lol
06:08:15 <sbp> dunno, it just sounded funny. still chuckling
06:08:40 * nslater plums sbp
06:08:43 <plum> it tends to be more funny, just never found him very interesting - sbp.
06:08:51 <nslater> hahah, is that a quote?
06:09:00 <sbp> or maybe it's a description
06:09:04 <nslater> sure :p
06:09:06 <sbp> sbp: funny, not interesting
06:09:24 <nslater> interesting use of grammar and punctuation there plummers
06:09:28 <plum> i dont he obviously didnt find me and sbp that interesting, tons of interesting research too. haha
06:09:54 <sbp> who wouldn't find me and plum interesting?
06:09:57 <plum> that could become interesting, i for one wouldn't want to maintain that.
06:10:01 * nslater is reminded to update the debian phenny package
06:10:30 * nslater trys to figure out the command to find the latest version number
06:11:09 <nslater> sbp: what changed in rev 15?
06:11:21 <nslater> ah
06:11:22 <sbp> lemme ask my brainbunnies
06:11:27 <nslater> updated translation module
06:11:30 <nslater> web interface changed
06:11:32 <sbp> they say "sniffle. translation stuff? sniffle"
06:12:48 <nslater> plum goats
06:12:51 <plum> haha, pls dont cite any goat related thanks, talk to him about goats.
06:13:09 <sbp> plum brainbunnies
06:13:14 <plum> well i'm thinking about brainbunnies as i go into a meeting, well for you might say that your brainbunnies to the job. rofl
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06:16:22 * nslater sends 2~hg15-1 off to the debian magicians
06:16:28 <sbp> whoothx
06:16:31 <nslater> np
06:17:10 <sbp> I think we should be allowed to name the versions after famous elk
06:17:28 <sbp> like, Deborah. and Grismond
06:17:29 <nslater> it annoys me that I have the first number as 2 and not 0
06:17:41 <sbp> what does the first number mean?
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06:18:15 <sbp> nooOooo! lorvaxX!
06:18:21 <nslater> the first number is meant to be the upstream version, which phenny doesnt actually have yet, but my original guess at 2 was from your mutterings about it being Phenny 2, but I realise now this was a mistake
06:18:50 <sbp> aha, yeah
06:18:55 <sbp> ne'ermind though
06:19:07 <sbp> if anything, I'd like to use complex numbers
06:19:08 * nslater smiles
06:19:22 <sbp> and each version that we increment, it makes a join the dots picture on the argand plane
06:19:26 <nslater> yeah, you should go for it, I wonder how spectactularly the debian archives would choke on that
06:19:30 <sbp> like a big smiley face
06:20:06 <nslater> apparently, and much to my suuurprise, my spealing of spectactularly is correct ;)
06:20:09 <nslater> http://lookwayup.com/lwu.exe/lwu/d?s=f&w=spectactularly
06:20:27 <nslater> "[r] in an very impressive manner; "your performance will improve dramatically"
06:20:49 <sbp> .gcs spectactularly spectacularly
06:20:50 <phenny> spectacularly (3,190,000), spectactularly (7,420)
06:20:51 <nslater> spectactularly, adj. cheifly Web english
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06:20:57 <Monty> bah, it's lorvax again
06:21:10 <sbp> cheifly?
06:21:20 <nslater> hehe
06:22:24 <nslater> cheifly, adv. cheifly Web english
06:22:36 * nslater laughs to him self
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06:24:04 <sbp> I found it funny too, for what it's worth
06:24:11 <sbp> I just decided to conduct my laugh in private
06:24:36 <nslater> heh
06:25:18 <nslater> something upsets me when I see the phrase "Foo, bar. Chiefly British English."
06:25:28 <nslater> I can't help thinking "No, you mean ACTUAL English"
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06:31:32 <jsled> Why would it take any more size?
06:31:46 <jsled> padding, maybe?
06:33:42 <sbp> nslater: same here
06:34:10 <nslater> glad it's not just me then :p
06:40:16 <sbp> nslater: man, so quiet in here
06:40:41 <Jabberwock> er sbp: wazzzaaaaaaaaaaaa
06:40:48 <sbp> 'ello Jabberwock :-)
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07:21:26 <Monty> hey mmmmmrob
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08:01:37 <_bjoern> http://ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2006/09/drugs_to_get_you_back_on_your_1.php
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08:07:04 <thelsdj> funny story, i spent days over the last few months running an agent to generate hashes of all the data in our databases for comparison of our replication, i then run the program to see where the differences are
08:07:15 <thelsdj> and it tells me there aren't any
08:07:35 <thelsdj> looks like i got the same exact hash for every row in the db
08:07:58 <thelsdj> (no i'm not really that stupd as to not check my work earlier on, it _was_ working, but at some point it stopped)
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08:46:27 <nsh> .ety tamp
08:46:28 <phenny> "1819, 'to fill (a hole containing an explosive) with dirt or clay before blasting,' a workmen's word, perhaps a back-formation from tampion, that word being mistaken as a prp. (*tamping)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=tamp
08:46:46 <nsh> .ety tampion
08:46:46 <phenny> "1430, 'plug, bung,' from M.Fr. tampon, nasalized variant of O.Fr. tapon 'piece of cloth to stop a hole' (1382), a suffixed form of Frank. *tappo 'stopper, plug,' related to O.H.G. zapfo and O.E. tæppa 'stopper' (see tap (2))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=tampion
08:48:07 * deltab watches Supersizers Go Wartime (Sue Perkins and Giles Coren confronted with WWII fare)
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08:56:26 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp tagline http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/
08:56:26 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
08:56:48 <_bjoern> phenny, tell _Scully I found the truth out there.
08:56:48 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when _Scully is around.
08:56:53 <_bjoern> _Thanks _Phenny.
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09:19:51 <sbp> ehheh, good find
09:19:51 <phenny> sbp: 20:27Z <_bjoern> tell sbp tagline http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/
09:20:56 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 44 hours to watch Meades
09:20:57 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu May 22 17:51:37 BST 2008
09:21:10 * sbp wonders if that was the right time... doesn't sound right
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09:21:40 * sbp checks RadioTimes
09:21:59 <sbp> ah, seven
09:22:17 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 45 hours to watch Meades. deltab too should be reminded
09:22:17 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu May 22 18:52:58 BST 2008
09:22:33 <sbp> .c (45 * 60) + 5
09:22:33 <phenny> (45 * 60) + 5 = 2 705
09:22:50 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 2705 minutes to watch Meades. deltab too should be reminded. SERIOUSLY DUDES IT'S ALMOST ON
09:22:51 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu May 22 18:58:31 BST 2008
09:25:37 <nsh> what's a Meades?
09:26:05 <deltab> http://afewdegreesnorth.blogspot.com/2008/03/jonathan-meades.html
09:26:07 <sbp> he's an architectural critic who presents mind-bogglingly cool TV shows
09:26:49 <nsh> about the buildplacens?
09:27:33 <mahound> .title http://www.gmilburn.ca/2008/05/17/fermilabs-strange-letter-progress/
09:27:35 <phenny> mahound: gmilburn.ca » Interesting » Fermilab’s Strange Letter - Progress
09:27:46 <nsh> architecture's actually pretty awesome
09:28:40 <nsh> hahaha
09:29:00 <nsh> oh man, i'm going to draw some random lines on a piece of paper and send it to a physics lab for lulz too
09:29:24 <nsh> that analysis is almost as conjectural as cosmology
09:30:18 <nsh> "Note that this transcription assumes that the I at the end of line 6 and the II at the start of line 7 are in fact a single III. Now lets assume that since there are 27 possible combinations in these ternany units, each corresponds to a letter of the alphabet (26 total) or a space (add 1 for 27). A naive mapping would be: ..."
09:30:33 <nsh> rofl
09:30:34 <nsh> idiot.
09:32:33 <mahound> well, at least it's not the numbers from lost
09:32:53 * nsh smiles
09:33:58 <mahound> "Some of those symbols, weirdly enough, seem to be Standard Galactic Alphabet"
09:34:13 <mahound> .wik Standard Galactic Alphabet
09:34:13 <phenny> "The Standard Galactic Alphabet, also known as SGA, is the writing system used to depict Omnispeak, the alien language of choice in the galaxy in the Commander Keen fictional universe." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Galactic_Alphabet
09:34:22 <mahound> Commander Keen :D
09:34:25 <mahound> sweet
09:35:01 * mahound writes letter for CERN
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09:42:51 <chandler> hm. "Frank Shoemaker would call this noise." Does Dr. Shoemaker take a particular dislike to any form of music?
09:45:29 <nsh> [[[ Fhe noise in the background is totally a map of the sky! Dippers are clearly visible in between the first and second section
09:45:30 <nsh> Anyone know how to do an analysis to figure out the date when the northern sky looked like that?
09:45:34 <nsh> ]]]
09:45:44 <nsh> s/Fh/Th/
09:45:53 <mahound> nsh: where's that from?
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09:46:14 <chandler> .title http://www.gmilburn.ca/2008/05/17/fermilabs-strange-letter-progress/
09:46:16 <phenny> chandler: gmilburn.ca » Interesting » Fermilab’s Strange Letter - Progress
09:47:00 <mahound> oh, 63, i see
09:47:10 <mahound> tinfoil hats, everybody :P
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09:47:29 <nsh> .wik playfair cypher
09:47:31 <phenny> "Playfair is a surname, and may refer to" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playfair
09:50:57 <deltab> “Because the texts are still in English however, it is not an artificial script.” — does this make sense?
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10:23:19 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article3720115.ece http://koloperuna.livejournal.com/117393.html
10:23:19 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
10:23:54 <_bjoern> .title http://www.money.co.uk/article/1000390-13-year-old-steals-dads-credit-card-to-buy-hookers.htm
10:23:56 <phenny> _bjoern: 13 Year Old Steals Dad's Credit Card to Buy Hookers
10:25:16 <nsh> wow
10:25:21 <nsh> epic nose guy is srsly posh
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10:29:43 <nsh> and apparantly, he's "not going to take this lying down"
10:29:56 <nsh> epic.
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10:42:04 <chandler> epic nose guy being garry kasparov?
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10:51:04 <nsh> .g epic nose guy youtube
10:51:06 <phenny> nsh: http://youtube.com/watch?v=x6jjTknxDlw
10:51:09 <nsh> .title
10:51:10 <phenny> nsh: YouTube - Epic Nose Guy ~ Anonymous
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11:04:46 <bancus> monty, ping
11:04:48 <Monty> non just wondering if the evening. lol
11:08:25 <nsh> Monty, is "wondering if the evening" similar to pondering the immortality of the crab?
11:08:25 <Monty> Hola
11:08:31 <nsh> Monty, hula?
11:08:36 <Monty> well i'm not the terms of Frank. *tappo 'stopper, plug,' related thanks, talk about our bill ...
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11:42:49 <_bjoern> Monty is on another Zoidberg trip
11:42:49 <Monty> What does that suggest to you ?
11:42:59 <_bjoern> Awful things Monty, awful things.
11:43:00 <Monty> whaaa? why?
11:43:13 <_bjoern> Monty, well, for one thing, it involves you.
11:43:17 <Monty> yeah - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Galactic_Alphabet
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11:52:08 <nsh> DAMN YOU TO HELL BROADCASTING STANDARDS
11:52:13 <nsh> MUST YOU RUIN EVERY GOOD THING
11:52:29 <_bjoern> Yeah, like Fox News.
11:53:00 <nsh> (watching firefly, had absolutely no faults until they starting overusing the goddamn fucking made-up swear words)
11:53:20 <_bjoern> made-up?
11:53:37 <nsh> where science-fiction shows make up a word to use as replacement vulgarities
11:53:48 <nsh> because it's in the future or space or something and that makes it ok
11:53:58 <nsh> AND IT'S NOT FUCKING COOL
11:54:13 <_bjoern> It's chinese?
11:54:36 <nsh> hmm, maybe it is
11:54:46 <nsh> i briefly considered that possibility
11:55:05 <_bjoern> "As a result of the Sino-American Alliance, Mandarin Chinese is a common second language; it is used in advertisements, and characters in the show frequently use Chinese words and curses." - wp
11:55:06 <nsh> but was still pissed off that they couldn't just use the fucking words for saying shit like fuck
11:55:11 <_bjoern> I found it pretty obvious really...
11:55:32 * nsh assumed they wouldn't have allowed chinese cursing either
11:55:44 <_bjoern> Hey it's the "U.S."
11:56:11 <nsh> this is the dvd rip
11:56:11 <nsh> if i ever made a sci-fi series
11:56:16 <nsh> it would have exactly the necessaryt amount of vulgarity
11:56:24 <nsh> and the network could overdub if they wanted
11:56:28 <_bjoern> Yes me too...
11:56:48 <nsh> you're allowed to kick someone into an engine intake
11:56:52 <nsh> but you can't say "shit"
11:57:05 * nsh returns to show, anger sated
11:59:12 <nsh> (would settle for 'smeg' though)
12:02:45 <clsn> Whee. New release of blender. Even more incomprehensible awesomeness.
12:03:19 <_bjoern> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blender made me laugh for a while
12:03:36 <_bjoern> ah only a minor release?
12:03:43 <deltab> I've heard it has somewhat diminished incomprehensibility
12:04:14 <deltab> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=08/05/19/1926225&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=nested&cid=23467216
12:04:24 <clsn> Minor release, but apparently a lot of new stuff.
12:04:35 <clsn> The incomprehensibility is not due to poor docs or interface.
12:04:43 <clsn> Honestly, the interface isn't bad.
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12:05:06 <clsn> There's just SO MUCH FUCKING INCREDIBLE FEATURENESS going on that it's hard to keep track of half of it.
12:05:23 <_bjoern> "If you want, you could wait for Blender 2.50. They plan to completely rewrite the interface which will allow users the power to create their own if needed."
12:06:05 <clsn> The interface takes getting used to, and I only can stumble around in two or three of the windows anyway. But when you're trying to do complicated things, a complicated interface is going to happen.
12:06:21 <clsn> Given the power to create my own interface in blender, I almost assuredly will not use it.
12:07:30 <clsn> I can barely sortakinda understand about a seventh or a tenth of the coolnessness that it has for rendering simple static one-frame scenes. Multiply that by all the zaniness it takes to animate everything...
12:08:36 <clsn> "Now with hair! And cloth!" sheez.
12:09:12 <Arnia> Blender has a port for PocketPC?
12:09:13 <Arnia> Hm
12:09:39 <_bjoern> I learned 3d app ui using 3D Studio 4 for DOS, it was very awful.
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12:38:57 * clsn discovers that the "Blender Quickstart" page appears to have section 4 twice but no section 5. Woops.
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12:46:41 * nicomen has used Imagine, Cinema4D, Ligthwave and Blender, they all had awful interfaces
12:46:57 <nicomen> but with some patience and tutorials it's not impossible
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12:52:41 <_bjoern> What annoyed me most is having to cope with so much seemingly low-level stuff
12:53:41 <bancus> .compare battoned battened
12:53:41 <phenny> bancus: .compare has been replaced by .gcs (googlecounts)
12:53:50 <bancus> .gcs battoned battened
12:53:51 <phenny> battened (179,000), battoned (2,870)
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12:54:10 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's nsh!
13:03:52 <chandler> clsn: shades of Atlanta Nights. I guess that's what you get with a collaboratively-written document.
13:05:05 <clsn> I guess. Though this is a one-page doc; it's just as likely that someone just slipped up.
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13:16:46 <_bjoern> phenny, tell darobin ooh look http://search.cpan.org/~sprout/CSS-DOM-0.02/ I consider that done then.
13:16:47 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when darobin is around.
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13:21:32 <_bjoern> Good News Everyone, "scientists believe they have found about half the missing matter in the universe" - /.
13:22:11 <chandler> but did frank shoemaker call it noise?
13:26:24 <clsn> But did they find my goddamn keys??
13:27:09 <_bjoern> You didn't lose your goddamn keys.
13:28:42 <clsn> *blink*...
13:29:13 <clsn> *phone rings* But apparently my wife has lost hers...
13:30:11 <_bjoern> If you are lucky she won't find them until tonight...
13:30:57 <clsn> She was calling from outside the door to be let in...
13:31:06 <clsn> Literally just then. Bizarre.
13:31:08 <_bjoern> .wik Lidl
13:31:09 <phenny> "Lidl is a European discount supermarket chain of German origin that operates 7,000 stores." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidl
13:31:59 <_bjoern> "As Schwarz Markt (literally Black Market) did not seem a good idea, he bought the right to use the Lidl name from Ludwig for 1000 Deutsche Mark [citation needed]."
13:32:59 <lorvax> clsn nu?
13:35:43 <clsn> NU??
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13:36:44 <clsn> ＮＵ
13:38:11 <clsn> 𝓝𝓤
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13:40:01 <lorvax> oh don't go sending 8bitunclean stuff here; pidgin was throwing conniption fits yesterday over special chars.
13:41:52 <clsn> Swhack's always been UTF-8-friendly.
13:41:57 <chandler> ∩∪!
13:42:26 <chandler> ⋒⋓
13:43:16 <_bjoern> "In fact, Flash-based web sites are quite possibly one of the most useful pieces of network technology around. Like heroin or microlights, they ensure that those who think it's a good idea aren't around to annoy us for too long."
13:43:24 <_bjoern> I like ⋓⋒
13:43:49 <lorvax> unclean! unclean!
13:43:55 <lorvax> drive out the unbeliever!
13:44:11 <lorvax> 7 bits was good enough for your father's EBCDIC, it's good enough for me.
13:44:15 <lorvax> um, er, well...
13:44:31 <clsn> I wish I knew enough flash to show my classiness in refraining from making them.
13:44:34 <_bjoern> I should watch the en version of Life of Brian to tell when people are quoting it...
13:44:35 <chandler> ⓃⓊ!
13:44:36 <lorvax> ebcdic was 8 bit
13:44:55 <_bjoern> ebcdic is terrible
13:45:53 <chandler> <prof> so, the government went to IBM to ask it to create an encryption scheme, and IBM came up with...
13:45:56 <chandler> <student> ebcdic!
13:46:04 <chandler> (shamelessly stealing from fortune)
13:46:26 <lorvax> y'all goin' hatin' on EBCDIC, it will outlive us all
13:47:14 <_bjoern> Every time I get up I wish everything will outlive me.
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14:07:41 <chandler> ƝǓ
14:21:08 <clsn> .gs * are delicious
14:21:09 <phenny> * are delicious: tomatoes, they, tacos, schokomuffins, popsicles, pierogies, pears, name schokomuffins, kuldunai, fruits, falafels, dumplings, cheeseburgers, calcionet)
14:24:18 <lorvax> clsn: you can NOT has cheezburger
14:31:09 <clsn> .gs * are nutritious
14:31:10 <phenny> * are nutritious: mushrooms (2)
14:31:19 <clsn> wow.
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15:11:41 <MoiraA> sbp?
15:14:14 <MoiraA> phenny: tell sbp to message me when he has time
15:14:14 <phenny> MoiraA: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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15:52:17 <jsled> [[[
15:52:19 <jsled> DPM – Including the letters “DPM” in a cache log was a once-secret way to indicate the cache was of low quality. DPM is an abbreviation for “des palourdes mortes", which is French for “the dead clams”. The entire French phrase is “Les longs sanglots des palourdes mortes blessent mon coeur avec un languor monotone pendant qu'ils dansent à minuit", which translates to “The long sobs of the dead clams wound my heart with a monoton
15:52:20 <jsled> ous languor as they dance at midnight”. The idea was to include this phrase in a cache log to clue in others that the cache was of low quality. Rarely actually used, as the meaning of DPM quickly spread throughout the geocaching community, and its secrecy was lost.
15:52:29 <jsled> ]]] - http://home.earthlink.net/~prime.suspect/geolex/
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20:27:36 <sbp> yo
20:27:36 <phenny> sbp: 20 May 21:54Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article3720115.ece http://koloperuna.livejournal.com/117393.html
20:27:37 <phenny> sbp: 02:45Z <MoiraA> tell sbp to message me when he has time
20:28:12 <sbp> MoiraA: yo
20:31:54 * sbp looks at _bjoern's URIs... ahahahahaha!
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20:44:53 <Monty> But what does nwalsh have to do with the price of fish?
20:45:41 <xover> .weather Tromsø
20:45:50 <phenny> Clear ☼, 6℃, 1024mb, Light air 2m/s (3kt) (↑) - ENTC 9:50, 0750Z
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20:47:36 <nwalsh> I control the international fish cartel with an iron fist, Monty
20:47:41 <Monty> Ann Widdecombe's analytical pizzas reminds me of centrifugal birthday and pictorial CVS tin-foil.
20:48:03 * thelsdj twiddles thumbs and waits for penny-arcade game release
20:48:19 <thelsdj> http://www.playgreenhouse.com/
20:48:28 <thelsdj> hehe says "available any minute now..."
20:48:45 <thelsdj> people who got on xbox360 are already playing :(
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21:02:02 <thelsdj> 10 minutes to download...
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21:25:19 <xover> .weather Tromsø
21:25:23 <phenny> Clear ☼, 6℃, 1024mb, Light breeze 2m/s (4kt) (↑) - ENTC 10:20, 0820Z
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22:32:37 <Monty> lo jewel
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22:41:29 <cre8radix> heya
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23:18:59 <Monty> yo darobin!
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