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00:23:26 <sbp> grpmgprmgrgh
00:23:30 <sbp> ALSO HELLO
00:23:30 <Monty> BY THAT IS RARE IN THE SOPHISTICATED EXPERIMENTAL TASKS OF SEMANTIC RELATION R BETWEEN MEANINGS, AND APPLY TO EXPOSE SUCH HYPOTHESES ABOUT LANGUAGE PROCESSING BY THAT SUCH INFORMATION PUT TOGETHER WORDS WITH SIMILAR OR A PIECE OF LEXICALIZED CONCEPTS; THAT ARE SPELLED ALIKE AND 44,100 COLLOCATIONS) ORGANIZED INTO SYNONYM SETS (SYNSETS) DO DIFFERENT WORDS PLAY?
00:23:43 <sbp> ...'k
00:26:38 <nsh> good stuffs
00:26:53 <nsh> how's tingleberries, sbptinat0r?
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00:32:24 <Monty> lo mmmmmrob
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00:35:59 <sbp> 'ello nshINATOR2000+
00:36:04 <sbp> hmming at this:
00:36:06 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7411904.stm
00:36:07 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Technology | Design revamp for '$100 laptop'
00:37:04 <sbp> can't find much in the way of technical details
00:37:10 <sbp> it actually looks... tentatively cool
00:37:19 <sbp> but I'll bet it goes the way of the OLPC 1
00:37:25 <sbp> overexpensive, breakable, etc.
00:37:41 <sbp> oh, word I thought of: expantiation
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00:37:54 <sbp> it's expansion expantiated
00:42:08 <nsh> hmmmrm
00:43:00 <nsh> having nae more than a dram of clue what you're meaning abouts, i think i agree
00:44:35 <sbp> CLUEDRAM
00:44:42 <sbp> see also http://www.xconomy.com/2008/05/20/negroponte-unveils-2nd-generation-olpc-laptop-its-an-e-book/
00:45:24 <nsh> cluedram is a good word
00:45:51 <nsh> ffs
00:46:09 <nsh> (XP on XO)
00:46:17 <sbp> yeah. dual boot, at least
00:46:20 <sbp> but wtfnesses
00:46:26 <sbp> also, they should have OS X on it obviously
00:46:30 <sbp> if an iPhone can run it...
00:46:49 <aspect> sbp: Costs will be kept down in part by using screens built for portable DVD players,
00:46:52 <aspect> lose
00:47:07 <aspect> the screen was the thing OLPC had right, and why I went "oo?" when I saw the ebook format
00:47:16 <sbp> why lose?
00:47:46 <sbp> are DVD player screens scummagely?
00:47:52 <aspect> major step backwards from the screens on XO-1
00:48:13 <aspect> I don't have high hopes for daylight readability
00:48:23 <sbp> I thought the XO-1 screens were basically evil incarnate, by design?
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00:49:32 <aspect> what I saw looked quite good. in mono mode it was very readable even under full sun
00:49:49 <aspect> and very low power use, I expect
00:50:17 <sbp> doesn't sun-readability have more to do with the *coating*?
00:50:28 <sbp> presumably they'll use their own coating, since they have to have the touchscreen layer
00:50:43 <aspect> hmm perhaps
00:51:18 <sbp> as I say, they'll probably cack it up *somehow*...
00:51:35 <aspect> still, it's good to see them pushing some more boundaries
00:51:39 <sbp> yeah
00:51:52 <sbp> I wonder if it might eventually inspire the commercial developers too
00:52:11 <sbp> Apple nearly get their shit right
00:52:17 <sbp> and then they come out with something like the MacBook Air
00:52:21 <aspect> classmate and eeepc enough of an indication?
00:52:31 <sbp> hmm, good point
00:52:49 <sbp> but they're not ebook/laptop hybrids. I mean that's a pretty darn good idea
00:53:37 <aspect> yeah the ebook space sort of got polluted by amazon's silly thing
00:53:44 <sbp> yeah...
00:54:47 <sbp> .c 75 usd in gbp
00:54:48 <phenny> 75 U.S. dollars = 38.1562882 British pounds
00:54:48 <Monty> "you"
00:54:52 <sbp> nu
00:55:51 <sbp> I saw an iPhone the other day, for the first time
00:55:55 <sbp> dunno if I mentioned it here
00:56:06 <sbp> I've been keeping an eye out since they first released them here
00:56:15 <sbp> very surprised I didn't see one sooner, actually
00:56:22 <sbp> anyway, it was a lot bigger than I thought it would be
00:56:27 <sbp> it took me a little while to recognise it
00:56:46 <sbp> I was just thinking about how big and heavy the XO-2 will be
00:56:48 <procto> sbp: it'- coating for glare, but msot important for sun readability is how bright it is
00:56:55 <procto> it has to out-bright the sun
00:57:10 <sbp> ehwhat?
00:57:13 <sbp> what about a book
00:57:18 <sbp> a book has no lighting at all
00:57:40 <procto> a book reflects enough of the light
00:57:52 <aspect> procto: the OLPC daylight mode isn't bright, and the light turns off -- it actually reminded me of an LCD display
00:58:02 <sbp> well a glassy laptop reflects enough of the light too. but it reflects it before it gets to the LCD layer
00:58:09 <procto> does it reflect from the bottow og the array?
00:58:16 <aspect> I guess so
00:58:18 <procto> bottom*
00:58:18 <sbp> if you could expose the LCD layer to the sun... I wonder what it'd look like?
00:58:29 <procto> well, that would have the same effect as "being bright"
00:58:41 <sbp> hmm?
00:58:51 <procto> my cellphone's maximum brightness is so bright I can easily see it in full daylight
00:58:57 <procto> but usually I have it on powersave
00:59:08 <sbp> same effect?
00:59:21 <sbp> I wonder how they're getting on with full colour eInk
00:59:27 <procto> no, it just has strong brightness
00:59:34 <procto> but basically the reason is the same
00:59:42 <sbp> what reason is that?
00:59:48 <procto> you could tave it do some fancy deep reflection, or just crank up the brightnesss
00:59:51 <procto> have*
01:00:00 <sbp> I still think that the problem is to do with reflection mainly
01:00:08 <procto> the reason is that you need X lumens coming off a screen overall
01:00:18 <procto> you can do this via reflecting the sun's light
01:00:30 <procto> as most things that are visible do
01:00:35 <procto> or you can provide your own
01:00:39 <sbp> but somehow you have to reflect it at the pigment layer
01:00:49 <sbp> which is what I meant about exposing the LCD to the open air. or just using eInk
01:00:50 <procto> the former is less power intesive, but a bit harder for things like screens
01:00:53 <procto> right, exactly
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01:01:14 <procto> all those are still expensive
01:01:37 <sbp> aye. but aspect notes that the XO-1 was pretty good at it all the same
01:01:42 <sbp> (which really surprises me)
01:02:04 <procto> I'll check it out, I have much XO access
01:02:10 <sbp> cool
01:02:36 <sbp> get teh inside storiez
01:03:05 <aspect> I should probably disclaim that I only saw XO-1 in the flesh once, and I was fairly drunk
01:03:55 <sbp> like all the best tech reviwers
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01:10:10 <thelsdj> i have it on good authority that the XO-1 is killer with the ladies, they'll come up to you in public places wanting to know what it is, where they can get one, etc
01:12:06 <thelsdj> and btw, i'm still up because i've been playing 'on the rain-slick precipice of darkness'
01:12:09 <thelsdj> and its awesome!
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01:17:51 <sbp> aspect, procto: “The XO-2 will employ the dual indoor-and-sunlight displays, which was pioneered by former OLPC CTO Mary Lou Jepsen.” - http://blog.laptopmag.com/first-look-olpc-xo-generation-20
01:17:53 <sbp> thelsdj: ha
01:22:19 <sbp> .title http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2008/03/thoughts_on_netbooks.php
01:22:20 <phenny> sbp: Technology@Intel · Thoughts on Netbooks
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01:28:01 <sbp> nsh: note: “Many countries have been reluctant to buy the machines because they did not run Microsoft's Windows operating system.”
01:28:24 <nsh> balls and fuckwombles
01:28:36 <nsh> the machines are for children not countries
01:28:42 <nsh> children tend to not have agenda
01:28:51 <lorvax> You don't have kids, do you?
01:28:54 <lorvax> :-)
01:28:55 <nsh> and are open to learning things that will allow them to get more done
01:28:59 <lorvax> Kids have agendas, just not YOURS.
01:29:00 * nsh smiles
01:29:14 <nsh> that is, agenda in its political sense
01:29:31 <lorvax> on that note: anyone have any strong feelings about the UMPC laptops like the HP2132 or the eeePC? I'm in need...
01:30:49 <nsh> .gd UMPC
01:30:49 <phenny> UMPC: Ultra Mobile PC
01:30:53 <nsh> ah
01:31:21 * nsh declares nescience
01:31:55 <nsh> but google things the HP2132 is a ladies' shaver
01:31:59 <nsh> *thinks
01:32:30 <lorvax> typo hp2133
01:32:52 <lorvax> http://www.amazon.com/KX870AT-ABA-8-9-Inch-Mini-Note-Processor/dp/B00170F3SQ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1211375039&sr=8-1
01:32:57 <sbp> http://wiki.xkcd.com/geohashing/ - GEOHASHING
01:32:57 <lorvax> save $0.99 now at amazon :-P
01:33:14 <lorvax> Full disclosure: that link doesn't provide me any income, as far as I know. Safe to click through!
01:33:50 * sbp visits http://amazon.com/dp/B00170F3SQ just to demonstrate...
01:34:28 <nsh> all amazon links are safe for nsh to click-through
01:34:32 <sbp> phew. not only do I have to adjust for currency, but also the fact that UK electronics are ass expensive
01:34:37 <nsh> as they don't let me give them any money
01:34:43 <sbp> cool. why not?
01:34:49 <sbp> are they all hate at you?
01:35:06 <nsh> dunno, some shipping crap
01:35:18 <sbp> you should just has their hate mang. has at their hate
01:35:19 <nsh> nothing i've ever tried to buy from amazon will let me ship to the uk
01:35:21 <lorvax> they don't ship to sealand.
01:35:26 * nsh smiles
01:35:32 <lorvax> you have to order from amazon.co.uk...
01:35:32 <sbp> hehe
01:35:48 * nsh tried, thinks it was some software cockup
01:35:57 <nsh> doesn't care for amazon anyway
01:36:02 <nsh> it's a review and recommendation site
01:36:29 <nsh> i don't have money to be cutting them into
01:36:44 <sbp> you could grow some on a magic umbrella
01:37:25 <nsh> hmmm
01:37:33 <sbp> I'll tell you what I see
01:37:37 <lorvax> money or UMPCs?
01:37:40 <nsh> i'd need an magic umbrella ecosystem starter kit
01:37:48 <sbp> I SEE A BASHFUL YOUNG MAN WHO IS TOO EMBARRASSED TO GROW MONEY ON A MAGIC UMBRELLA
01:37:52 <sbp> there, I said it
01:38:06 * nsh shallows in wame
01:38:27 <sbp> umpc? oh, we just saw that
01:38:41 <sbp> I saw a car number plate today that ended UPC
01:38:56 <sbp> and it reminds me o something but I dunno what
01:39:00 <sbp> .wik UPC
01:39:01 <phenny> "UPC Broadband, a European provider of cable television, telephone and broadband content owned by Liberty Global" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPC
01:39:11 <sbp> hmm
01:39:17 <sbp> .g UPC
01:39:18 <phenny> sbp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Product_Code
01:39:21 <sbp> .title
01:39:21 <phenny> sbp: Universal Product Code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:39:27 <sbp> ah, could be
01:39:32 <nsh> å¨åå¨åå¨åå¨åå¨åå¨åå¨å
01:39:57 <nsh> also ¤¤¤¤§¤¤§¤¤¤½½½¤§¤¤¤
01:40:07 <sbp> kiliyääta miniki visolomen äätaini misina aakinikiman
01:40:14 <sbp> fake Finnish is great
01:40:25 <_bjoern> nu
01:40:30 * nsh smiles
01:40:37 <sbp> _bjoern: ksry
01:41:16 <_bjoern> nopony<34sbp
01:41:35 <sbp> not even a little?
01:41:46 <sbp> trade you a magic money umbrella
01:42:27 <_bjoern> hmm magic money umbrella... how about some pony thighs?
01:43:04 <sbp> you want me to trade some pony thighs for pony <3?
01:43:16 <sbp> or a magic money umbrella for pony thighs?
01:43:32 <_bjoern> latter
01:43:47 <sbp> well I guess it depends how much <3 is in the thighs...
01:44:43 <_bjoern> u trade magic money umbrella for huge horse cock?
01:45:04 <sbp> no, I can easily buy that cheaply from spam
01:46:33 <_bjoern> Does the money umbrella behave towards money as a rain umbrella does towards rain?
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01:47:38 <sbp> the magic money umbrella is a normal umbrella that in certain, magic, situations or circumstances also possesses the ability to grow money
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01:48:17 <_bjoern> Do you have a magic situation generation device?
01:48:24 <_bjoern> That does not depend on magic input?
01:48:47 <sbp> I would expect that nsh is working on one as the next generation of his imajinashun enjin
01:49:11 <_bjoern> I like good imajinashun enjin.
01:49:19 <sbp> but he's probably too busy doing worthwhile gene research to tell us right now
01:49:36 <_bjoern> Perhaps he is hiding [something] from us.
01:49:48 <sbp> sometimes I think he likes his test fly subjects more than he likes us
01:49:59 <sbp> actually, that's probably sensible
01:50:35 <nsh> you can crush their babies in phenol and they still got love for a brother
01:50:45 <_bjoern> "We want to make Photoshop and the whole Creative Suite much more flexible, extensible, and connected. Therefore, we're looking at letting upcoming versions of Photoshop and--as far as I know--all Creative Suite applications be extended via SWF panels (palettes) created in Adobe Flash or Flex." - http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/05/dr_woohoo_the_f.html
01:50:47 <sbp> bwahaha
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01:51:24 <_bjoern> "... Of course, this can't come as a surprise. I mean, how brain-dead would Adobe have to be not to do this?"
01:51:33 <sbp> ...
01:52:15 <_bjoern> .title Http://Www.Statista.Org
01:52:24 <phenny> _bjoern: • Statista | Ob Umfrage oder Studie das Statistik-Portal für Deutschland
01:52:38 <sbp> this would be a significant disturbance in the force if I cared about Photoshop, Flash, or Flex
01:52:51 <sbp> mainly I try to avoid them as much as possible
01:53:11 <_bjoern> .gcs "disturbance in the force" "perturbance of the force" "perturbance in the force" "disturbance of the force"
01:53:14 <phenny> "disturbance in the force" (120,000), "disturbance of the force" (2,850), "perturbance in the force" (25), "perturbance of the force" (1)
01:53:57 <sbp> I'm coming round to PDF because the alternative is Postscript
01:53:58 <_bjoern> I score highly for 'perturbance force irc' on google.
01:54:07 <sbp> .g perturbance force irc
01:54:08 <phenny> sbp: http://svg.jibbering.com/svg/2006-02-16.html
01:54:11 <sbp> win
01:54:17 <_bjoern> and more!
01:54:24 <_bjoern> .wik XPS
01:54:25 <phenny> "X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy XPS, also known as ESCA" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XPS
01:54:27 <sbp> .gc bjoerwin
01:54:27 <phenny> bjoerwin: 0
01:54:40 <_bjoern> .wik XML Paper Specification
01:54:41 <phenny> "The XML Paper Specification (XPS), formerly codenamed 'Metro', is a specification for a page description language and a fixed-document format developed by Microsoft." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Paper_Specification
01:54:47 <_bjoern> .wik XSL Formatting Objects
01:54:50 <phenny> "XSL Formatting Objects, or XSL-FO, is a markup language for XML document formatting which is most often used to generate PDFs." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XSL_Formatting_Objects
01:55:00 <_bjoern> they too are "alternatives" ...
01:55:27 <sbp> hmm. there must be a good joke in "XPS" somewhere
01:55:29 <_bjoern> .title http://hissa.nist.gov/~black/GTLD/tldVisualSimilarity.html
01:55:29 <phenny> _bjoern: Compute Visual Similarity of Top-Level Domains
01:55:50 <_bjoern> they should do that for SLDs...
01:56:03 <sbp> [[[
01:56:04 <sbp> You entered
01:56:04 <sbp> .dude and .what
01:56:04 <sbp> String 1 String 2 % Score
01:56:04 <sbp> .dude .what 1%
01:56:05 <sbp> ]]]
01:56:56 <sbp> you have to wonder about NIST sometimes
01:57:41 <_bjoern> .title http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1976770/BAE-bosses-detained-by-US-investigators-over-Saudi-case.html
01:57:46 <phenny> _bjoern: BAE bosses detained by US investigators over Saudi case - Telegraph
01:57:51 <sbp> yeah, heh
02:04:23 <sbp> “The High Court has since ruled that the SFO acted unlawfully in dropping the case.”
02:05:18 <_bjoern> unpossible!
02:06:00 <sbp> the High Court is always crazin' pully shit
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02:09:36 <_bjoern> We could invite them here.
02:26:05 <sbp> good idea!
02:26:12 <sbp> you send out the invites, perhaps
02:27:19 <_bjoern> Wouldn't a noble englishman like you be less suspicious?
02:27:41 <sbp> yeah, so they'd probably just pass the letter over
02:27:42 <Monty> Hello!
02:27:50 <sbp> hey Monty. what up?
02:27:51 <Monty> explanatory moths!
02:27:54 <sbp> cool
02:28:04 <_bjoern> .gc "build more moths"
02:28:05 <phenny> "build more moths": 29
02:28:38 <sbp> .gc "explanatory moths"
02:28:38 <phenny> "explanatory moths": 1
02:28:46 <sbp> .g "explanatory moths"
02:28:47 <phenny> sbp: http://www.angelfire.com/games3/hardwar/accessories.html
02:28:51 <sbp> .title
02:28:51 <phenny> sbp: Highrise Industries
02:29:22 <sbp> “The name should be self explanatory, moths that look like blue prints of moths.”
02:30:03 <_bjoern> .swhack build more moths
02:30:28 <phenny> _bjoern: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-02-27#T04-37-53
02:31:17 <sbp> you never did tell us why you were sayin' that
02:31:27 <sbp> which I took to be a part of the masterplan
02:32:02 <_bjoern> Only with Monty I'm certain he has exactly the right mental capacity to build more moths.
02:32:02 <Monty> Is it because you are certain he has exactly the right mental capacity to build more moths that you came to me ?
02:32:12 <_bjoern> Monty: yes, precisely.
02:32:12 <Monty> ow.
02:32:19 <_bjoern> You see what I mean.
02:32:23 <sbp> yeah
02:52:00 <sbp> .c (16.72 + 6.59) USD in GBP
02:52:02 <phenny> (16.72 + 6.59) * U.S. dollar = 11.9691913 British pounds
02:53:42 <sbp> .c (36.48 + 6.55) USD in GBP
02:53:44 <phenny> (36.48 + 6.55) * U.S. dollar = 22.0949936 British pounds
02:57:10 <chandler> .title http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/05/moffat-leading.html
02:57:13 <phenny> chandler: Moffat Leading Doctor Who into the Future | The Underwire from Wired.com
02:57:21 * chandler makes little squeaking noises of joy
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03:10:23 <sbp> schnärf
03:11:30 <Arnia> I'm thinking that either the introduction or the preface to my thesis will have to include a long section on my inherent assumptions and theoretical prejudices
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03:13:04 <sbp> before you get too far into that, did you see the aerocock?
03:13:08 <sbp> you must see the aerocock
03:13:27 <sbp> http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article3720115.ece
03:16:47 <sbp> phenny: "chêne vert"?
03:16:56 <phenny> sbp: "chêne vert" (de)
03:17:02 <sbp> bad
03:17:54 <sbp> “The Holm Oak is one of the top three trees used in the establishment of truffle orchards, or truffieres. Truffles grow in an ectomychorrizal association with the tree's roots.”
03:18:17 <sbp> .gd ectomychorrizal
03:18:18 <phenny> ectomychorrizal: No definition found!
03:18:23 <sbp> .dict ectomychorrizal
03:18:24 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no definition found.
03:18:26 <sbp> .wik ectomychorrizal
03:18:28 <phenny> "The Holm Oak (Quercus ilex), also called Holly Oak or Evergreen Oak, is a large evergreen oak native to the Mediterranean region." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holm_Oak
03:18:31 <sbp> heh
03:19:13 <clsn> I'm pretty sure there's an h after the rr and not after the c.
03:19:24 <clsn> myco- being fungal...
03:19:35 <sbp> .wik Mycorrhizal
03:19:36 <phenny> "A mycorrhiza (Greek for fungus roots coined by Frank, 1885[1]|; typically seen in the plural forms mycorrhizae or mycorrhizas) is a symbiotic (occasionally weakly pathogenic) association between a fungus and the roots of a plant.[2]| In a mycorrhizal association the [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhizal
03:19:42 <sbp> yeah
03:19:50 <clsn> I know my etyma.
03:19:53 <sbp> .gcs ectomychorrizal ectomycorrhizal
03:19:54 <phenny> ectomycorrhizal (118,000), ectomychorrizal (251)
03:19:59 <clsn> .wik etymon
03:19:59 <phenny> "Etymology is the study of the history of words — when they entered a language, from what source, and how their form and meaning have changed over time." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymon
03:20:07 <clsn> .dict etymon
03:20:11 <phenny> etymon - 1. origin of a word, 2. root of a word
03:20:53 <Arnia> Aha, awesomeness
03:20:56 <clsn> .ety etymon
03:20:57 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "etymon". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=etymon
03:21:00 <clsn> .ety etymology
03:21:00 <phenny> "1398, from Gk. etymologia, from etymon 'true sense' (neut. of etymos 'true,' related to eteos 'true') + logos 'word.' In classical times, of meanings; later, of histories." - http://etymonline.com/?term=etymology
03:21:07 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Holm_Oak&diff=213957243&oldid=211456789
03:21:16 <Arnia> Right... consciousness transfer again. See you shortly
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03:21:59 <sbp> .gc truffieres
03:22:00 <phenny> truffieres: 31,000
03:22:16 <nslater> .wik truffle
03:22:17 <phenny> "Tuber (genus), the edible truffles usually referred to when the word is used in connection with food" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truffle
03:22:27 <nslater> they sound so lovely but look so ugly
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03:23:48 <sbp> [[[
03:23:49 <sbp> The first mention of truffles appears in the writings of Theophrastus in the fourth century BC. In classical times their origins were a mystery which challenged many; Plutarch and others thought them the result of lightning, warmth and water in the soil, while Juvenal thought thunder and rain to be instrumental in their origin. Cicero deemed them children of the earth, while Dioscorides thought they were tuberous roots.
03:23:50 <sbp> ]]]
03:24:10 <sbp> hellos unto thee, le nslatère
03:24:11 <nslater> "children of the earth"
03:24:15 <nslater> hellos
03:24:25 <sbp> Cicero is funny
03:24:27 <nslater> I would have guessed at pixxie poo
03:24:30 <sbp> ehheh
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03:24:44 <sbp> I wonder who first took a nibble
03:24:53 <nslater> the same person who first drank cow milk
03:24:54 <sbp> “hmm. the earth's kids are pretty tasty”
03:24:56 <sbp> indeed
03:25:12 <sbp> but I mean, with cow milk at least you can see the minicows doin' it
03:25:20 <nslater> minicows, aweee
03:25:24 <nsh> the minicows eat grass
03:25:29 <nslater> or should that be aaawe
03:25:32 <nsh> then again
03:25:38 <nsh> i think i did when i was a minihume
03:25:46 <nsh> but only once
03:25:54 <sbp> .gcs minicow microbovine
03:25:55 <phenny> minicow (8,260), microbovine (3)
03:26:11 * nsh homes the gonow
03:26:13 <nslater> I really have no idea, even I saw $animal eating these pixxie poos, there is not anything on earth that would convince me to take a bite
03:26:22 <sbp> byenowthegonowhomingnsh!
03:26:33 <nsh> MOIN THE LOINS
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03:26:48 <nslater> where was his signature quit message? :(
03:26:50 <sbp> hmm, I just noticed that nsh always goes home when you join
03:26:56 <sbp> MOIN THE LOINS stood in for it
03:26:57 <clsn> Attributed to someone... "He was a brave soul that first ate an oyster". Or something.
03:27:02 <sbp> you're like the Swhack clock
03:27:10 <sbp> ew, oysters. indeed
03:27:21 <nslater> maybe the correlation is that he leaves work about the time I get bored after lunch :) instead of him not liking me or something :/
03:27:23 <sbp> probably some bored teen pissed as all fuck
03:27:23 <Monty> potty mouth!
03:27:35 <clsn> Mm... "a bold dog" actually, now that I think about it. I think that was the line.
03:27:48 <sbp> “hahahaha watch me eat this sea donkey”
03:27:52 <clsn> .g first ate an oyster was a bold dog
03:27:53 * nslater vomits
03:27:53 <phenny> clsn: http://hotcupofjoe.blogspot.com/2007/10/anthropologists-find-evidence-of.html
03:28:00 <clsn> .title
03:28:02 <phenny> clsn: Hot Cup of Joe: Anthropologists find evidence of earliest "Double-Dog Dare:" over 164,000 yrs ago!
03:28:55 <sbp> “But the true motivation behind that first oyster was likely hunger. Perhaps someone in antiquity observed a sea bird or a starfish dining on an oyster (or other shellfish) and realized its potential as a food source seeing an abundance of bedded oysters or dug for clams or mussels in shallows during low tide.”
03:29:36 <clsn> Jonathan Swift. I still think they're quoting it wrong.
03:29:51 <sbp> nslater: well I think you're normally still here when he gets back
03:29:53 <sbp> so that's a good sign
03:30:24 <nslater> yes, good point :)
03:30:37 <nslater> look at this and try not to vomit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Truffe_coup%C3%A9e.jpg
03:30:47 <_bjoern> Oil > 130
03:32:23 <sbp> clsn: “He was a bold man that first ate an oyster.” is apparently correct
03:32:26 <sbp> _bjoern: awesome. bets on 200?
03:32:54 <_bjoern> I couldn't guess that at all!
03:33:31 <clsn> Hrmp.
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03:40:03 <lorvax> sbp: you looking at fundamentals or technicals on 200?
03:40:10 <lorvax> you considering peak issues as well?
03:40:23 <_bjoern> he is looking for dates.
03:40:32 <lorvax> i can't help him with that
03:40:34 <lorvax> i'm married,
03:40:40 <lorvax> and i'm pretty sure he's not my type.
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03:47:25 <sbp> dates are tasty, especially when incorporated into other foods
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03:57:52 <nslater> woah, I "learnt" a new character today: （
03:58:02 <nslater> is this awesome? y/n?
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03:59:37 <jsled> .u （
03:59:37 <phenny> U+FF08 FULLWIDTH LEFT PARENTHESIS (（)
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04:00:18 <nslater> .u fullwidth right parenthesis
04:00:19 <phenny> U+FF09 FULLWIDTH RIGHT PARENTHESIS (）)
04:00:26 <sbp> moderate awesome
04:00:28 <nslater> awe yeah, feel teh power
04:00:29 <sbp> awesome factor five
04:00:45 <nslater> sbp: do you know what use they have in english based typography?
04:00:45 <sbp> aerocock is like a ten
04:00:53 <nslater> woah, you put "ae"
04:00:59 <sbp> omg
04:00:59 <nslater> you never put "ae"
04:01:05 <sbp> ærocock! ærocock!
04:01:12 <nslater> im gonna break a rule too, then
04:01:13 <nslater> ]]]
04:01:16 * nslater cackles
04:01:25 <sbp> anyway, see http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article3720115.ece already
04:01:28 <sbp> (ærocock)
04:01:30 <nslater> (pls dont devoice me nao)
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04:01:41 <sbp> the fullwidths are just part of a suite of fullwidths I think
04:01:48 <nslater> sbp: yeah, I watched the video yesterday, seen the video?
04:01:51 <sbp> yeah
04:01:52 <nslater> oh
04:01:56 <nslater> ... it's on that page :p
04:01:59 <sbp> yeah
04:02:17 <nslater> "below the belt" heh
04:02:30 <sbp> I want a version with full subtitles
04:02:42 <nslater> there is a translated version, look on the youtube comments, iirc
04:02:57 <sbp> I love how security-dude smacks it one
04:03:08 <sbp> that's almost the best bit
04:03:26 <sbp> the sight of a full grown man bashing the fuck out of an ærobotic penis
04:03:34 <nslater> yeah, what a killjoy, his 15 seconds of fame in this reality is smacking a hovering penis on camera, well done my friend, I hope it was worth it
04:03:42 <sbp> yup. hehe
04:04:00 <sbp> well he didn't know it wasn't going to squirt some dangerous bacterial agent or something
04:04:20 <sbp> I would also be skeptical of the penis's intentions
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04:04:25 <nslater> oh my, I don't think I could handle "terrorist" with a sense of humor
04:04:45 <sbp> well it would be the perfect cover
04:04:51 <sbp> everybody laughs at the funny penis and then BAM
04:04:55 <sbp> the penis has the last laugh
04:05:25 <nslater> so, remember when I asked you to change lunix to gnu/linux and you instead added some random anti gnu jokes to swhack.com? :)
04:05:33 <sbp> heh, yeah. good times, good times
04:05:42 <nslater> well, a similar thing happened this week
04:05:52 <sbp> rms went crazy?
04:05:54 <sbp> (crazier)
04:06:02 <Arnia> sbp: umpossible
04:06:37 <sbp> omggph
04:06:46 <nslater> I wrote the the creative commons people suggesting some aesthetic changes to the titles of the licences and it's derailed into suggestions of changing it to things like "Attribution--ShareAlike" (apparently the double hyphen is more "proper") or even "Attribution; Share--Alike" and all kinds of absurd things
04:07:13 <nslater> I have decided it best if I unsubscribe the the list and call it whatever I feel like calling it when ever I use it, there be dragons, etc
04:07:13 <Monty> Mm... "a bold man replied, "I think one sooner, actually pretty darn good time now that are
04:07:14 <sbp> oh man, you broke Creative Commons
04:07:39 <nslater> :(
04:08:03 <nslater> I even got told that "Attribution", "ShareAlike" and "Non-Commercial" were nouns and so should be seperated with ";" or ","
04:08:16 <sbp> what!
04:08:22 <sbp> I wonder if they eat ice; cream
04:08:40 <nslater> nsh's philosophy is starting to make more and more sense
04:08:56 <sbp> kill the bastards now and eat questions later?
04:09:01 * Arnia wonders about the grasp many have over social conventions on punctuation and grammar
04:09:16 <nslater> not that one, no, cool as it may be
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04:09:47 <nslater> the thing that started it off is that the canonical name for the attribution share alike licence is, ugh, "Attribution-Share Alike"
04:10:10 <sbp> E_HYPHENINWRONGPLACE
04:10:24 <nslater> yes, but the arguments seem to come in two forms:
04:10:27 <nslater> 1) it's branding, dude
04:10:36 <nslater> 2) it's the expanded version of BY-SA
04:10:44 <nslater> on both counts, fail
04:10:49 <sbp> ripostes:
04:10:56 <sbp> 1) I'LL BRAND YOU
04:10:58 <sbp> 2) nu
04:11:05 <nslater> yes, agreed
04:11:35 <sbp> I think they should give them peoplenames
04:11:47 <sbp> so CC BY-SA 1.0 UK could be Edward
04:11:50 <nslater> yes, I would have the Janet-Susen licence
04:11:53 <sbp> yeah
04:11:54 <nslater> Susan
04:11:55 <sbp> there you go
04:11:56 <nslater> even
04:12:13 <nslater> Or Humphrey, for my software
04:12:18 <sbp> hot Janet on Susan action, in the world's most communist license
04:13:09 <nslater> .title http://shwack.com/
04:13:11 <phenny> nslater: Shwack.com
04:13:12 <nslater> what the fuck
04:13:32 <Arnia> The Scottish Channel
04:13:35 <sbp> that's pretty funny
04:13:40 * Arnia is thinking
04:13:41 <nslater> "At the same time, I want to start making Shwack something more then just a forum. I’d like to start having news on the main page, have game reviews, possibly doing an airsoft review site, doing clan page hosting, and more."
04:13:43 <Arnia> BE WARNED
04:13:47 <sbp> Janet, put the kettle on!
04:13:49 <nslater> check out that dude
04:13:57 <sbp> But Doctor Finlay, I wouldnae fit doon the spoot!
04:14:25 <Arnia> Hm. I'm trying a new reasoning algorithm
04:14:35 <sbp> (ᑐ) - copyleft?
04:14:44 <sbp> Arnia: what does it reason about? infoes?
04:14:49 <nslater> .u ᑐ
04:14:50 <phenny> U+1450 CANADIAN SYLLABICS TO (ᑐ)
04:15:01 <tschaub> so, curious about logging - is that not a job for phenny?
04:15:06 <sbp> nope
04:15:11 <nslater> sbp: why dont you have swhack.org?
04:15:11 <sbp> phenny runs on bia
04:15:12 <Arnia> But I've forgotten the exact algorithm for Best First Search, and am getting confused with converting it into a logic programming system
04:15:19 <sbp> swhack.com runs on manxome
04:15:20 <sbp> nslater: expense
04:15:33 <nslater> how much would it cost?
04:15:40 * Arnia hums and tries to think about what his state space is as an implementation detail
04:15:43 <tschaub> sbp: I'll take that nope as mine - not sure what the bia part means in terms of logging, but thanks
04:15:45 <sbp> iuno. £8/year or something?
04:16:17 <sbp> tschaub: phenny doesn't log for us because she's on a different server to our website
04:16:18 <Monty> overexpensive, breakable, etc. stuff from P.Gmc. *breuthanan, var. of magnitude
04:16:23 <sbp> tschaub: phenny could be used for logging, however
04:16:23 <tschaub> oh, yes
04:16:29 <tschaub> I was wondering that
04:16:33 <sbp> I think someone wrote a module to do that, but I don't remember the specifics
04:16:40 <tschaub> just didn't know if anybody had put together...
04:16:41 <tschaub> ok
04:16:43 <nslater> I will donate £8 to the Swhack foundation for a non-RDF1591 violating domain :p
04:16:49 <nslater> RFC
04:16:55 <nslater> damn, too much time in this place
04:17:05 <sbp> you ought to donate it to the RDF brain damage fund
04:17:08 <clsn> You want to use ɔ for copyleft, possibly with COMBINING ENCLOSING CIRCLE.
04:17:14 <clsn> .u ɔ
04:17:15 <phenny> U+0254 LATIN SMALL LETTER OPEN O (ɔ)
04:17:17 <nslater> clsn: it doesnt display as intended
04:17:26 <sbp> yeah, we've been through this
04:17:31 <chandler> .u copy
04:17:32 <phenny> U+32A2 CIRCLED IDEOGRAPH COPY (㊢)
04:17:42 <nslater> (ɔ)
04:17:51 <nslater> meh
04:17:52 <sbp> fun: http://swhack.com/tail/letter%20open%20o
04:18:10 <nslater> /tail/ ?
04:18:29 <clsn> .u ENCLOSING CIRCLE
04:18:29 <phenny> U+20DD COMBINING ENCLOSING CIRCLE (⃝)
04:18:41 <sbp> 2008-05-04 13:40:20 <clsn> It's been occasionally proposed, but not generally viewed as a possibility. However, you could do ɔ with a COMBINING ENCLOSING CIRCLE.
04:18:54 <nslater> http://swhack.com/tail/nslater - wtf
04:18:58 <clsn> See? I was smart even weeks ago.
04:19:08 <sbp> hehe
04:19:20 <nslater> sbp: i need infos
04:19:24 <sbp> Mr. Clsn. Consistently Smart
04:19:33 <sbp> nslater: it's only compiled once per day
04:19:38 <sbp> so it's normally a bit out of date
04:19:53 <nslater> plum: Ｇｏａｔ
04:19:56 <plum> so it seems that it is a bit out of sync. so it all balances out.
04:20:04 <sbp> plum brainbunnies
04:20:08 <plum> because then my brainbunnies will be happy, a plum word that will pamper your brainbunnies.
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04:20:28 <aspect> .u Ｇ
04:20:28 <phenny> U+FF27 FULLWIDTH LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G (Ｇ)
04:20:28 <Monty> "you"
04:20:31 <clsn> ɔ⃝
04:20:42 <aspect> ic
04:21:01 <sbp> even X-Chat Aqua, which normally gets such simple things right, completely failmotrons the open o in comb circ thing
04:21:13 <nslater> hmmm
04:21:20 <nslater> .g Ｇｏａｔ
04:21:21 <phenny> nslater: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goat
04:21:28 * sbp tries Firefox
04:21:33 <nslater> how does google do it's "folk" unicode normalisation?
04:22:04 <nslater> Ｇ -> g is not part of any normal form that I know of
04:22:04 <clsn> Google is smart. It uses underpaid grad students.
04:22:26 <sbp> WHAT A SURPRISE. IT FAILS LIKE A... LIKE A... LIKE THIS SIMILE
04:23:23 <chandler> .u circled g
04:23:24 <phenny> U+24D6 CIRCLED LATIN SMALL LETTER G (ⓖ)
04:23:36 <chandler> .g ⓖ
04:23:36 <phenny> chandler: No results found for 'ⓖ'.
04:23:37 <sbp> .u circled open o
04:23:37 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no results for 'circled open o'.
04:23:46 <sbp> COPENO
04:25:41 <sbp> oh man. if anyone listened to RFC 1591...
04:25:42 <sbp> [[[
04:25:42 <sbp> This domain is intended to hold only the computers of network
04:25:43 <sbp> providers, that is the NIC and NOC computers, the
04:25:43 <sbp> administrative computers, and the network node computers.
04:25:43 <sbp> ]]]
04:25:52 <sbp> (its specification for .net)
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04:26:46 <chandler> I get really bothered when I see a governmental entity registered as a .com
04:27:23 <procto> yeah, me too
04:27:30 <procto> like the student loans
04:27:39 <sbp> if i was a police, i would tell on them or even take them to jail!!!!!
04:27:50 <sbp> nslater: nsh is back!
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04:29:38 <nslater> nsh: hellos, pls dont hate me, etc
04:30:13 <nslater> sbp: yeah, rfc 1591 is widely ignored, but it's no reason to keep ignoring it, etc :)
04:30:22 <nslater> plum, hit on nsh :p
04:30:26 <plum> nsh, the girlfriend generally creeped me yeah. oh and he has a foot fetish. what's your number?
04:30:36 <nslater> o_O
04:33:48 <Arnia> nslater: your fault... writing dirty code
04:33:49 <Arnia> DIRTY CODE
04:34:09 <nslater> plum, hit on Arnia
04:34:14 <plum> Arnia, so you wanna cyber me eh? wanna get me a girlfriend? pm me and we can talk about it some more.
04:34:15 <nslater> dirty, pah
04:34:36 <sbp> it's a bold and wonderful joy-entrenched internet tradition to ignore RFC 1591
04:35:00 <nslater> s/1591//
04:49:42 <sbp> heh
04:49:50 <Morbus> in a mostly-British chatroom:
04:49:55 <Morbus> "<Morbus> your British males have a certain effeminate quality that send this Amerikkkan in a tizzy."
04:50:55 <sbp> oh lawdy
04:51:11 * Morbus winks
04:52:35 <nslater> are cocktails an effeminate drink to like?
04:52:42 <nslater> as an unrelated topic
04:52:56 <Morbus> no idea, actually.
04:53:03 <Morbus> i absolutely suck at male to female drink discernations.
04:53:19 <Morbus> see http://www.disobey.com/taxonomy/term/23?page=1
04:53:21 <Morbus> #34.
04:53:23 <nslater> I love cocktails but I've always suspected that it's not very masculine, not that I care either way, but it's nice to be aware of these social tells
04:54:11 <Morbus> bad URL.
04:54:17 <Morbus> http://www.disobey.com/node/1774
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04:54:36 <jsled> depends on the cocktail.
04:54:49 <nslater> long island?
04:55:00 <jsled> I don't consider it girly.
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04:55:19 <jsled> Or a Manhattan. G&T. Martini. Not really girly.
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04:55:46 <nslater> I geuss, Bond drinks cocktails (though his taste is shocking, have you ever states a Vodka Martini, it's vomitworthy) so it cant be too effeminate
04:56:02 <nslater> tasted, rather
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04:57:50 <aspect> .gc texify
04:57:51 <phenny> texify: 15,100
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05:00:04 <procto> nslater: it really depends on what kinds of cocktail
05:00:14 <procto> nslater: usually look at what gets the most garnishes
05:00:24 <procto> more garnish == more "female"
05:00:39 <procto> that is, fruits of all kinds, little umbrellas, country flags, tiny plastic swords
05:00:58 <nslater> and colours perhaps, bright red, green or blue are a little too tropical to be considered masculine I would guess
05:01:00 <procto> manly drinks will take at most 1 garnish that isn't integral to the drink
05:01:08 <procto> that is, the olive in a martini is integral
05:01:14 <procto> the lime in a corona is integral
05:01:20 <nslater> integral to it's vomit inducing powarz
05:01:37 <nslater> actually, the lime in a corona isnt traditionally integral, but hey
05:01:37 <Monty> oh... good authority that nsh :p
05:01:42 <nslater> heh
05:02:13 <nslater> the lime was traditionally used in mexio to keep the flys out of the drink, that we still use it over here is a bastardisation of that tradition
05:02:49 * nslater pines for a desperado
05:03:22 <nslater> .wik desperados
05:03:22 <phenny> "Video games in the Desperados series: Desperados: Wanted Dead or Alive, a stealth-based real-time tactics computer game" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desperados
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05:04:19 <jsled> Another metric is how covered up the taste of alcohol is.
05:11:34 <sbp> here's how to tell if a drink is girly or not:
05:11:35 <sbp> 1. Clit engorging? Yes, go to 2. No, go to 3.
05:11:35 <sbp> 2. Hello sweetcakes.
05:11:35 <sbp> 3. SO HOW ABOUT THAT LOCAL SPORTS TEAM, EH?
05:12:05 <nslater> clit engorging? also, stop be stealing my lines I be stealing from the simpsons pls
05:12:32 <sbp> I was stealing lines from the Simpsons when you were in short trousers
05:12:45 <nslater> dude, we're the same age
05:12:53 <sbp> didn't stop me
05:12:58 <nslater> also, eat my shorts, etc
05:13:01 <sbp> :-)
05:13:30 <sbp> this is fun: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Homer_world_map-en.svg
05:14:21 * nsh is dubious
05:14:31 <sbp> dubious that it's fun?
05:14:39 <nslater> is that taken from homer's sketches or something?
05:14:44 * nslater is confuzzled
05:15:09 <nslater> or some tract on world geography?
05:15:12 <nsh> dubious that it isn't maded-up
05:15:13 <sbp> it's a map of the places mentioned in the Odyssey
05:15:18 <nslater> aah
05:15:21 <sbp> roughly, of course
05:15:22 <nsh> Description
05:15:22 <nsh> English: Reconstitution of the world described by Homer in the Odyssey.
05:15:37 <sbp> mapped to real locations and using directions within the work itself, I would assume
05:15:53 <nsh> you assume to much not-madeding-shit-upness
05:15:55 <nsh> *too
05:16:09 <sbp> oh, plus later commentary I think, based on some small research
05:16:50 <nsh> this version better: http://www.iliadeodyssee.com/images/o-carte.jpg
05:17:13 <sbp> I don't know much about Homer (I mean, the works, not the man. nobody knows much about the man)
05:17:14 <sbp> so I investigated what's cool 'bout the dude
05:17:18 <sbp> and it seems it can be summarised thus:
05:17:20 <sbp> 1) The tales are as ancient as all fuck, mang.
05:17:22 <sbp> 2) Homer doesn't write like an arse. He simply doesn't.
05:17:26 <sbp> so it's like mystery + clarity
05:17:58 <nsh> homer was an oral tradition
05:18:05 <sbp> which is always a good combination
05:18:20 <nslater> I've read the first chapter (or whatever, long time ago) of Odyssey and all I remember being preocupied with was thinking "wow, these words are older than I could possibly imagine"
05:18:25 <jsled> (Dude does not write like an arse.)
05:19:08 <sbp> nsh: well some people contend that the style is too consistent to be purely oral tradition
05:19:22 <nsh> [[[
05:19:24 <nsh> For some scholars, such as Geoffrey Kirk, both poems were created by a single author whose individual genius composed them while drawing much of his material from various traditional stories. Others, such as Martin West, hold that the epics were composed by different poets. Gregory Nagy maintains that the epics are not the creation of any individual, but rather slowly evolved towards their final form over a period of centuries; in
05:19:28 <nsh> ]]] -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer
05:19:29 <sbp> nsh: it is possible there was one scribe/modifier/adaptor of mainly oral work, etc.
05:19:38 * nsh nods
05:19:38 <sbp> yeah. that's basically what I'm regurgitating with love
05:19:45 <sbp> I added the love FREE
05:19:51 <sbp> lvl 5, 8 ducks
05:19:52 <nslater> hippie
05:19:54 <sbp> hehe
05:19:59 <nsh> mmm, bilewdness
05:20:15 <nslater> "This article is about Homer's epic poem." hahaha
05:20:17 <sbp> speaking of ducks, I just got a comment via my website
05:20:23 <sbp> it says, simply, "quack"
05:20:23 <Monty> Literally just send someone in this lying down"
05:20:35 * nslater lies down with Monty
05:20:35 <Monty> Sure, why not interested anymore
05:20:49 <nslater> Monty: <3
05:20:50 <Monty> licks wedding cake, apparently.
05:21:40 * sbp likes http://www.iliadeodyssee.com/images/o-carte.jpg despite it being Freaunch
05:22:13 <sbp> “Luwian is also one of the likely candidates for the language spoken by the Trojans, alongside a possible Tyrrhenian language related to Lemnian.”
05:22:16 * nsh considers applying hax to lox
05:22:17 <sbp> .wik Luwian language
05:22:18 <phenny> "Luwian (sometimes spelled Luvian) is an extinct language of the Anatolian branch of the Indo-European language family." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luwian_language
05:22:34 <sbp> liquid oxygen does not respond well to hax
05:22:43 <sbp> tends to evaporate before you can apply the hax
05:22:44 <nsh> i meant, chop off all my hair
05:22:51 <nsh> as it's getting a bit choresome
05:22:51 <sbp> ah!
05:22:55 <sbp> just burn it
05:22:58 <nslater> !
05:23:05 <nsh> that would likely be lethal
05:23:17 <sbp> no, no, you put it OUT when it reaches the scalp
05:23:18 <nslater> not lethal, but very very funneh if you recorded it
05:23:40 <nslater> hair burns in one of the weirdest ways possible
05:23:47 <sbp> yeah, it fizzes. it's great
05:23:52 <sbp> FZZZZOUPH
05:24:01 <nsh> i think mine would probably a splode
05:24:02 <nslater> I wonder what makes it so inflamable
05:24:09 <sbp> well, great when it's somebody's that you don't like
05:24:12 <nslater> considering most biological stuff is not
05:24:17 <nsh> so what?
05:24:24 <nslater> inflamable
05:24:29 <sbp> probably all the tinder cells that causinate it
05:24:33 <nsh> what?
05:24:38 <sbp> inflammable
05:24:41 <nslater> INFLAMMABLE!
05:24:51 <sbp> tinder cells
05:24:58 <nslater> damn, whats a few "m"s between friends?
05:25:01 <sbp> .gc "dux rox"
05:25:02 <phenny> "dux rox": 40
05:25:06 <sbp> ooh, m&ms
05:25:18 <sbp> deltab: Simpsons
05:25:21 <nslater> the word inflammable annoys me
05:25:21 <sbp> also time for earth foods
05:25:43 <sbp> <DrNick> Inflammable means flammable?! What a country!
05:26:05 <nslater> "The prefix -in in inflammable is not, however, the Latin negative prefix -in, which is related to the English -un and appears in such words as indecent and inglorious. Rather, this -in is an intensive prefix derived from the Latin preposition in. This prefix also appears in the word enflame. But many people are not aware of this derivation, and for clarity's sake it is advisable to"
05:26:11 <nslater> the moar you know
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05:26:41 <nslater> ("... finish the sentence!")
05:26:56 * nsh washes some flammability out of his hair
05:27:19 <nslater> "Inflam(e)able, formed from the English verb, has been displaced by inflammable adapted from French or Latin.
05:27:23 <nslater> It must have been a supposed ambiguity in inflammable that led to the coining of the word flammable. But that could only make things worse, and flammable is now rare, usually in the compound non-flammable, a more compact version of non-inflammable.
05:27:27 <nslater> " - Fowler's
05:29:45 <sbp> of course, there's always combustible
05:30:03 <nslater> there is something about com-bust-ible that I like
05:30:13 <sbp> yeBUSTah
05:30:15 <nslater> .gcs combustable combustible
05:30:16 <phenny> combustible (15,000,000), combustable (80,000)
05:30:26 <nslater> able to com busts
05:35:16 <sbp> .gc "I made Bart in my pants"
05:35:17 <phenny> "I made Bart in my pants": 3,100
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05:39:51 <procto> http://firespeaker.org/snippits/n199705391_36939255_9112.jpg
05:43:23 * nsh wonders why [[Homer]] is semi-protected
05:44:05 <nsh> .gs thou shalt not suffer a * to live
05:44:06 <phenny> thou shalt not suffer a * to live: witch (58), poisoner (4), woman (3), wasp (2), troll (2), sorceress (2), murderer (2), mosquito (2)
05:44:23 <Morbus> .gs the last time I stuck my * in it
05:44:25 <phenny> the last time I stuck my * in it: No results!
05:44:28 <Morbus> boo.
05:44:29 <nsh> love it: GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
05:44:30 <nsh> "Never let a witch live.
05:44:44 <Morbus> .gs I can't believe you *
05:44:45 <phenny> I can't believe you *: guys (8), caaaare (4), went (3), can (3), marhadiasak (2), lyrics (2), live (2), guys actually exist (2), forgot (2), coped (2), anyway (2)
05:45:03 <Morbus> .gs morbus is a
05:45:03 <phenny> Query must have one "*" exactly
05:45:06 <Morbus> .gs morbus is a *
05:45:07 <phenny> morbus is a *: friend (3), violent purging (2), nuthead (2), heavily repressed (2)
05:45:15 <Morbus> teehee
05:45:21 <nsh> OH HAIL YE VIOLENT PURGING
05:45:41 <nsh> .gs Dave Winer is a *
05:45:43 <phenny> Dave Winer is a *: pompus (3), rockstar (2), movement (2), god (2), cunt (2), bit (2), bastard (2)
05:45:53 <nsh> .gs Dave Winer is a bit *
05:45:54 <phenny> Dave Winer is a bit *: like (2)
05:46:00 <nsh> the suspense!
05:46:06 <nsh> .gs Dave Winer is a bit like *
05:46:06 <phenny> Dave Winer is a bit like *: jack (4)
05:46:12 <nsh> hrm
05:46:15 <sbp> nsh: Simpsons related vandalism?
05:46:19 <Morbus> .gs i can't believe i * the whole thing
05:46:21 <phenny> i can't believe i * the whole thing: took (20), ate (17), drank (4), swallowed (3), signed (3), watched (2), stitched (2), smoked (2), saw (2), read (2), missed (2), htmled (2), hate (2)
05:46:21 <nsh> .gs Dave Winer is a bit like jack *
05:46:22 <phenny> Dave Winer is a bit like jack *: webb (6)
05:46:26 <sbp> ("the other Homer")
05:46:31 <nsh> you're the other Homer
05:46:45 <Morbus> .gs rdf is a pain in the *
05:46:46 <phenny> rdf is a pain in the *: No results!
05:46:48 <nsh> Bible in Basic English
05:46:48 <nsh> Any woman using unnatural powers or secret arts is to be put to death.
05:46:49 <Morbus> oooh
05:53:16 <nslater> .gs dave winer is a *
05:53:16 <phenny> dave winer is a *: pompus (3), movement (3), bit (3), rockstar (2), god (2), fellow (2), cunt (2), bastard (2)
05:53:21 <nslater> hahahaha
05:53:35 <nslater> what a combination of adjectives
05:54:05 <nslater> dave winer is a fellow bastard pompus cunt rockstar god movement
05:54:13 <nsh> .g "dave winer is a movement"
05:54:14 <phenny> nsh: http://eirepreneur.blogs.com/eirepreneur/2006/01/dave_winer_is_a.html
05:54:25 <nslater> .gs dave winer is a movment *
05:54:26 <phenny> dave winer is a movment *: No results!
05:54:28 <nsh> i guess they mean like bowel movement
05:54:50 <nslater> "Of all the fortune-telling for the coming 12 months I've read this past week the only thing that hangs in my memory is the advice that - the best way to predict the future is to invent it. And that, clearly, is what Dave Winer does all the time."
05:54:55 * nslater chokes
05:55:08 <nslater> nsh: lol
05:55:24 <nsh> "I find Winer's abrasiveness irritating and I wish he'd bury the hatchet with Adam Curry but personality flaws (and some would argue that they aren't) shouldn't blind us to genius."
05:55:39 <nslater> anyone who describes winer as the father of blogging without a big dollop of sarcasm flips the bozo bit for me
05:55:40 <nsh> you used that word again. i don't think it means what you think it means
05:55:47 * nsh nods
05:56:16 <nslater> who used what word and what does it mean?
05:56:20 <nsh> genius
05:56:26 <nsh> , not dave winer
05:56:26 <nslater> heh
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05:57:34 <nslater> my contribution to future invokations of phenny: dave winer is a bowel movement
05:57:50 <nsh> moar pwha
05:57:55 <nslater> oh my, I'm choxelling
05:58:39 <nslater> .gc * dave winer
05:58:40 <phenny> * dave winer: 549,000
05:58:44 <nslater> .g * dave winer
05:58:45 <phenny> nslater: http://www.scripting.com/
05:58:48 <nslater> argh
05:58:50 <nslater> .gs * dave winer
05:58:51 <phenny> * dave winer: gmt (2)
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06:04:11 <sbp> .ety confiscate
06:04:12 <phenny> "c.1533, originally, 'to appropriate for the treasury,' from L. confiscatus pp. of confiscare, from com- 'together' + fiscus 'public treasury,' lit. 'money basket.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=confiscate
06:07:57 <clsn> .ety teetotaler
06:07:57 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "teetotaler". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=teetotaler
06:08:05 <clsn> .ety tipple
06:08:05 <phenny> "1531, 'sell alcoholic liquor by retail,' of unknown origin, possibly from a Scand. source (e.g." - http://etymonline.com/?term=tipple
06:08:45 <clsn> .gc teetotaler
06:08:46 <phenny> teetotaler: 262,000
06:10:31 <darobin> .gs dave winer is a *
06:10:31 <phenny> darobin: 00:47Z <_bjoern> tell darobin ooh look http://search.cpan.org/~sprout/CSS-DOM-0.02/ I consider that done then.
06:10:33 <phenny> dave winer is a *: pompus (3), movement (3), bit (3), rockstar (2), god (2), fellow (2), cunt (2), bastard (2)
06:11:23 <nslater> bowel (1)
06:13:04 <darobin> phenny: tell _bjoern ooooh, teh people are teh crazy on teh CPAN
06:13:05 <phenny> darobin: I'll pass that on when _bjoern is around.
06:14:22 <sbp> .wik Hoopoes
06:14:24 <phenny> "The Hoopoe (IPA: [ˈhuːpuː]) Upupa epops is a bird in the same order of often colourful near passerine birds as the kingfishers, bee-eaters, and rollers." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoopoe
06:14:44 <sbp> that is some bird
06:16:18 <nslater> nu
06:17:01 <sbp> nu
06:17:49 * sbp goes through many versions of the Metamorphoses on Amazon... mainly not very good!
06:18:17 <sbp> also people really should use the three column, large margin method more for translation
06:18:32 <sbp> | original | literal | liberal | notes and comments
06:19:34 <sbp> for Greek etc., a transliterated column is also acceptable
06:23:18 <darobin> that bird has one kick arse haircut
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06:24:12 <darobin> that's four columns
06:24:22 <darobin> five for greek and other transliterated languages
06:25:37 <sbp> well the notes and comments aren't always present
06:25:59 <sbp> numbers are made up, anyway
06:27:41 * nsh made up 17
06:28:01 <sbp> well done!
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06:32:04 <procto> making up primes is the hardest
06:32:25 <procto> geoffery k pullum posted a scathing review of the Oxford Murders on language log
06:32:30 <nsh> yeah, they're more unique in composition
06:32:37 <procto> it's so vicious it makes me want to watch the movie
06:32:50 <procto> .title http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=172
06:32:51 <phenny> procto: Language Log » Come back, Dan Brown, all is forgiven
06:32:57 <nsh> someone murdered the Oxford's....
06:33:00 <nsh> ?
06:33:03 <nsh> wait
06:33:07 <procto> No, before that; when Elijah stands up to interrupt a lecture about there being no certain truth and says "I believe in the number pi." That is where we should have stood up and said "I believe my partner and I are going to leave this cinema and walk home."
06:33:10 <nsh> that doesn't even make the sense it wasn't supposed to make
06:33:12 <procto> -- from the post
06:33:25 <_bjoern> NEW SF.NET PRIVACY STATEMENT. Can
06:33:25 <phenny> _bjoern: 17:44Z <darobin> tell _bjoern ooooh, teh people are teh crazy on teh CPAN
06:33:30 <_bjoern> 't be a good thing, can it.
06:33:47 <procto> a bit earlier: Was it when Professor Arthur Seldom (played by John Hurt) said "I doubt if Heisenberg would have agreed" and Martin the graduate student (Elijah Wood) perked up and asked, "The physicist?" (No, you dork; Luther Heisenberg, the lawnmower repair guy in the village.) Surely we should have left earlier than that bit.
06:34:37 <_bjoern> phenny, tell darobin at least he's not seeing dahuts yet. With four equally long legs. And a fifth leg.
06:34:37 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when darobin is around.
06:38:41 <_bjoern> "In most math problems, zero would never be confused with 50, but a handful of schools nationwide have set off an emotional academic debate by giving minimum scores of 50 for students who fail." - http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-05-18-zeroes-main_N.htm?csp=34
06:39:21 <_bjoern> .title http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4894921&page=1
06:39:22 <phenny> _bjoern: ABC News: Report: U.S. Soldiers Did 'Dirty Work' for Chinese Interrogators
06:40:11 <nsh> rofl
06:40:22 <_bjoern> hmm carbon nano tubes healthy like asbestos
06:40:23 <nsh> "There **IS** Justice! Creator of Backstreet Boys and N'Sync sentenced to 25 years in prison." -reddit f.p.
06:41:29 <sbp> .title http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/books/275117/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_b_1_3
06:41:32 <phenny> sbp: Amazon.co.uk Books Bestsellers: The most popular items in Poetry. Updated hourly.
06:41:35 <sbp> Lyrical Ballads is in there twice
06:42:17 <_bjoern> #2 is "Winnie the Pooh"
06:43:06 <_bjoern> .title http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/19/piratebay-top100
06:43:11 <phenny> _bjoern: Pirate Bay hits mainstream - The INQUIRER
06:43:42 <nsh> Rice grown in the United States may be safer than varieties from Asia and Europe, according to a new global study that evaluated levels of arsenic, which can be toxic at high levels.
06:43:55 <nsh> because, sometimes, you just want to throw another clause in there
06:44:35 <nsh> i'm pretty sure i knew arsenic was toxic before i knew there were varieties of rice
06:45:05 <nsh> and i can't imagine anyone who thinks arsenic is toxic if you don't have enough of it in your rice
06:45:12 <nsh> actually...
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06:45:43 <_bjoern> Well argued nsh, here is your 50 points.
06:45:45 <chris2> you can get used to arsenic easily
06:45:55 <chris2> then you can eat the rice and the rest of the table dies
06:47:47 <nsh> FOOLPROOF>!>
06:48:11 <nsh> .gs slowly poisoned by *
06:48:12 <phenny> slowly poisoned by *: your supplements (2), those (2), nazi (2), lead (2), having antifreeze (2), chinese capitalism (2), carbon monoxide (2), birth (2), arsenic (2)
06:48:48 <nsh> .g "slowly poisoned by birth"
06:48:50 <phenny> nsh: http://ta.wordpress.com/tag/anticonceptionale/
06:50:11 <nsh> bah
06:50:27 <nsh> they're all "by.... birth control pills"
06:50:31 <sbp> Winnie the Pooh is pretty good poetry
06:50:46 <nsh> that's not wittisome and snarkly
06:50:56 <sbp> ooh
06:51:00 <sbp> I can make wit and snark for you
06:51:02 <sbp> if you like
06:51:05 <nsh> MAKE GO NOW
06:51:16 <sbp> any particular subject you want me to witsnark 'pon?
06:51:47 <nsh> incense sticks and why they're not as fucking cool as you think they are
06:51:59 <nsh> or anything
06:52:04 <nsh> open bill
06:52:07 <sbp> well they pong, is perhaps the most essential point
06:52:24 <sbp> you think they're going to make love to your nose-orifices
06:52:47 <sbp> and you'll be beating the hippies and Catholics from your door for weeks to come if you so much as bring a few into your house
06:53:12 <nsh> hot flaming hippie-sticks advance sex to your noseholes
06:53:36 <nsh> rejecting glance not read, invasive love-splurge continues
06:53:37 <sbp> yeah, but it's hippie-sex. hippie sex is very weird
06:53:45 <sbp> they don't put the right organs into the right places
06:53:49 <_bjoern> it is?
06:54:09 * nsh is tempted to undertake some research
06:54:16 <_bjoern> Yes!
06:54:19 <sbp> normally they're too brained to even get a room
06:54:27 <sbp> there'll be people running around naked, fucking in the bushes
06:54:39 <nsh> , wonders why that inquirer article ends in µ
06:54:44 <sbp> it's their symbol
06:55:01 <_bjoern> Yes sbp but what's weird about it?
06:55:20 <nsh> the brown acid
06:55:27 * nsh chuckles inanely to himself
06:56:03 <procto> a friend of mine burns a lot of incense in his car
06:56:13 <sbp> well you expect a particular sex organ to go into either another particular sex organ or the anus or the mouth or ear or eye or something, but then they go all avant garde on you and put it on the TV set instead, and the cat's up there and the cat doesn't like that
06:56:19 <procto> you can imagine that attracts the attention of the police
06:56:28 <sbp> and then they giggle and say that their sex organ is on the telly
06:56:32 <sbp> and think that they are funny
06:56:41 <_bjoern> They would be?
06:56:56 <sbp> yes but they're hippies! you're not supposed to encourage them by laughing
06:57:15 <_bjoern> Yeah mang, and now get off my lawn!
06:57:27 <sbp> woah. far out
06:57:46 <_bjoern> relax mang
06:58:09 <sbp> I was going to try to keep up the hippie slang, but all I could think of is "super"
06:58:19 <sbp> and super ain't hippie. it's more Big Gay Al
06:58:30 <_bjoern> groovy.
06:59:19 <sbp> note: cast _bjoern in rôle of hippie in upcoming play about the ethnological and political struggles of the '60s in northern Europe. fuck yes this play is GOING TO RULE ALL MOTHERS EVERYWHERE
06:59:20 <Monty> potty mouth!
06:59:24 <sbp> w'ever
06:59:25 <_bjoern> Ah `.wik Groovy` is far out.
06:59:31 <sbp> .wik Groovy
06:59:32 <phenny> "Groovy is an object-oriented programming language for the Java Platform as an alternative to the Java programming language." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groovy
06:59:44 <sbp> I would characterise it more as a drag
07:00:05 <_bjoern> click scroll through and stare at the colors.
07:00:48 <sbp> is brkn
07:01:14 <sbp> is fixd
07:01:23 <sbp> woah man
07:01:25 <sbp> colours
07:01:29 <sbp> cosmic!
07:03:19 <Arnia> Well, my idea for using a graph-based reasoner has failed
07:03:23 <Arnia> grr
07:03:41 <sbp> have you been working on it all this time?
07:03:52 <Arnia> The past couple of days, yes
07:04:08 <nsh> how fail?
07:04:34 <nsh> [did it], not [much]
07:04:37 <Arnia> I can use it as a supplement to an existing NARS reasoner, but not as a standalone. I can't convert the inference rules into a graph formalism
07:04:54 <Arnia> Or at least, not into a search graph formalism
07:06:02 <sbp> you need it to be a standalone?
07:06:32 * sbp makes up appropriate sounding questions not really knowing what's going on
07:09:17 <Arnia> Ok. I'm trying to reduce first-order NAL to a search algorithm, where the inference rules are translated into expressions of what moves are allowed over the search space
07:09:32 <Arnia> This will make it more suitable for use in applications like search engines
07:10:03 <Arnia> Now, I can't right now see how to translate some of the rules
07:10:11 <Arnia> So I'm frustrated
07:10:26 <Arnia> Anyway, I'm going to go for a walk to clear my head
07:10:41 <Arnia> I'll be back in a bit
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08:16:49 * clsn finds himself surprised there isn't a lolanime.com board.
08:20:26 * clsn hmms and should maybe put his scanned books (that are downloadable from his site anyway) up for download by torrent via The Pirate Bay. The interest level is so low, though....
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08:40:10 <zachb> phenny: "scio quis nescis"?
08:40:19 <phenny> zachb: I think it's Latin, but I can't translate it currently.
08:44:51 <clsn> "scio" is "I know" I think.
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08:50:01 <zachb> Oh, I know what it means
08:50:10 <zachb> I was wondering if phenny could translate latin, I forgot
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08:50:30 <zachb> It means "I know that you don't know"
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09:19:41 <_bjoern> Hello Ax3, u wanna syber in public logs? Register on swhack.com plz.
09:20:52 <Ax3> come again?
09:21:01 <_bjoern> I'd like that.
09:21:20 <Ax3> I just didn't understand, you're not a bot are you? lol
09:21:23 <Ax3> (no offense)
09:21:26 <_bjoern> ur a bot.
09:21:38 <Ax3> ...
09:23:21 <chandler> plum: hit on _bjoern
09:23:25 <plum> _bjoern, spiro agnew = grow a plum, there are no tits? does that turn you on? hehe
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09:24:53 <_bjoern> plum: hit on chandler
09:24:57 <plum> ha, chandler, i like the tits detail, it's like my pen fetish. pm me and we can talk about it some more.
09:38:35 <_bjoern> .gc de-recursivised
09:38:37 <phenny> de-recursivised: 95
10:07:54 <nsh> .ety cerebral
10:07:55 <phenny> "1816, from Fr. cérébral, from L. cerebrum 'brain,' from PIE *keres-, from base *ker- 'top of the head.' Meaning 'intellectual, clever' is from 1929." - http://etymonline.com/?term=cerebral
10:22:38 <_bjoern> .c 300 months in years
10:22:39 <phenny> 300 months = 25 years
10:27:47 * Arnia watches zachb from behind a newspaper
10:27:58 <Arnia> Well, the Funday Times at least
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11:38:19 <Monty> hey xover_
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11:44:44 * zachb doesn't like newsprint
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11:57:23 <_bjoern> OMG WE LOST XOVER
11:57:43 <_bjoern> laplink, revox, xower, all gone. Only xover_ still around.
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12:03:29 <Monty> hey lisppaste2
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12:31:30 <zachb> hmm... I need to talk to nslater...
12:31:50 <_bjoern> nslater! Bei Fuss!
12:33:19 <zachb> http://zbanks.mine.nu/remaker/view/1.html
12:33:19 <zachb> I made this really really crappy make/bash-based "blog" as a POC
12:33:46 <_bjoern> BASH is BAD.
12:33:47 <zachb> its actually mostly bash-based, and done completely wrong
12:33:51 <zachb> Yeah yeah yeah I know
12:34:06 <zachb> I only did it to copy nslater ;p
12:34:23 <zachb> It wasn't meant to go into bash-dom... but then I got lazy
12:34:33 <_bjoern> copying nslater is bad too...
12:34:52 <zachb> Yeah, I know that too
12:35:02 <zachb> but the idea of using make... once I got over the shock, seemed interesting
12:35:43 <zachb> this little POS is just that... its /terrible/. it doesn't really use make, its redundant (each bit of data is stored twice, technically)
12:35:59 <_bjoern> .wik Internet marriage
12:36:00 <phenny> "In the broadest sense, a fraud is a deception made for personal gain." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud
12:36:09 <_bjoern> loggy: pointer?
12:36:09 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-05-23#T12-36-09
12:36:22 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp right above http://swhack.com/logs/2008-05-23#T12-36-09
12:36:22 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
12:37:05 <zachb> that's almost topicable
12:37:16 <zachb> Hm... topical?
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12:38:41 <laht> hi good nigth
12:40:07 <_bjoern> laht r u a bot ?
12:40:23 <laht> no
12:40:24 <_bjoern> y boop ?
12:40:44 <laht> bob
12:40:45 <laht> ;)
12:40:52 <_bjoern> u no swhack.com ?
12:41:04 <_bjoern> u r a h4x0r ?
12:41:17 <_bjoern> u no tis publically logged ?
12:41:24 <laht> ?
12:41:40 <_bjoern> u wanna syber ?
12:41:48 <laht> no
12:41:53 <_bjoern> y u here?
12:41:59 <Arnia> Hm. I'm reading Speed Memory
12:42:03 <zachb> Hmm?
12:42:08 <Arnia> Pretty good so far
12:42:08 <_bjoern> .wik Speed Memory
12:42:10 <phenny> "Memory Stick is a removable flash memory card format, launched by Sony in October 1998 [1], and is also used in general to describe the whole family of Memory Sticks." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Stick
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