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07:34:52 <clarke.freenode.net> Topic for #swhack is: Swhack: Home to the quantum googlecounters ¦ Swhack - reaches the parts that Swhack's leading competitors just cannot reach!
07:34:52 <clarke.freenode.net> Users on #swhack: loggy +sbp leobard +laplink dmiles_afk +MoiraA tonybaloney867 mahound phenny +Arnia tav cskaterun +lisppaste2 +MorbusIff MacTed dhart jeffarch foff +kpreid +thelsdj zachb +Monty +Jibbler BigJibby +nslater edsu Louie` +JibberJim zzap chandler` sr +xover maxkelley JibbyBot shepazu Jonashdsf plum Tene +bancus procto Alex tobbez chandler aspect Mike_L earle +jsled melbel trotek xavier beobal +dahut tro CaptSolo ido +deltab pwaring radii swhacker
07:34:52 <clarke.freenode.net> Users on #swhack: Lumiere
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07:36:50 <sbp> yo
07:36:50 <phenny> sbp: 28 May 23:16Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gZEpzY9h9nC5_bSUnGp_wuaB7b3AD90S1R3O0
07:36:51 <phenny> sbp: 28 May 23:52Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/28/military
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07:40:44 * sbp kicks Firefox, which won't load those URIs from X-Chat Aqua
07:40:54 * sbp pastes them in manually
07:45:46 <sbp> that first story is rather scary
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08:29:09 <laplink> .gcs "Configuration Management System" "Content Management System" "Configuration Management Database"
08:29:11 <phenny> "Content Management System" (17,600,000), "Configuration Management System" (270,000), "Configuration Management Database" (121,000)
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08:42:31 <laplink> rate meetings
08:42:35 <laplink> .rate meetings
08:42:39 <phenny> "meetings": 98.91% (19 rocks; 18,800 rules; 196 sucks; 12 blows)
08:42:51 <laplink> You've got to be fucking kidding me!
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08:46:09 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tech/science/forest-rings.html
08:46:10 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Morbus is around.
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09:06:36 <_bjoern> Monty, remind me in 12 hours to OMGWDR
09:06:37 <Monty> _bjoern: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu May 29 22:06:17 BST 2008
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09:25:12 <darobin> dahut!
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09:26:12 <darobin> I just deleted my Joost working directory: 483000 files!
09:26:22 <darobin> and it wasn't even a complete checkout or build
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09:33:34 <Monty> hi chris2, how ya doing?
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09:35:02 <Monty> hi leobard, how ya doing?
09:40:59 <_bjoern> I had my early-2008-spam-archive as one file per mail the other day, it taught me something important about keeping so many files in a single directory.
09:41:09 <_bjoern> I don't recall what it was, but it should be in the swhack logs.
09:49:45 <_bjoern> .title http://www.carbonbelchday.com/
09:49:46 <phenny> _bjoern: Carbon Belch Day
09:49:51 <_bjoern> .wik Carbon Belch Day
09:49:53 <phenny> "Methanogenesis or biomethanation is the formation of methane by microbes known as methanogens." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanogenesis
09:56:18 <_bjoern> .title http://www.newenergytimes.com/news/2008/29img/Arata-Demo.htm
09:56:20 <phenny> _bjoern: New Energy Times
10:08:44 <darobin> you'd think file systems would be smart enough to switch to a different indexing method when the number of files goes above a given limit
10:09:10 <sbp> “In 2008, Dylan was awarded a Pulitzer Prize Special Citation for his "profound impact on popular music and American culture, marked by lyrical compositions of extraordinary poetic power."” - Wikipedia
10:09:21 <sbp> -> http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2008/special-citation/
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10:27:04 <Monty> But what does dmiles_afk have to do with the price of fish?
10:27:06 <Monty> But what does nslater have to do with the price of fish?
10:33:50 <MoiraA> phenny: tell sbp I acknowledged his message, but I'm only here until this afternoon, then at my Dad's till late Sunday night and I'll catch him when I can
10:33:50 <phenny> MoiraA: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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10:36:18 <_bjoern> .title http://port25.technet.com/archive/2008/05/28/now-hiring-open-source-community-manager.aspx
10:36:19 <phenny> _bjoern: Now Hiring: Open Source Community Manager - Port 25: The Open Source Community at Microsoft
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10:45:20 <zachb> I hate JS...
10:45:48 <_bjoern> .title http://search.cpan.org/~hovenko/Weather-YR-0.22/lib/Weather/YR.pm
10:45:49 <phenny> _bjoern: Weather::YR - Perl extension for talking to yr.no - search.cpan.org
10:45:55 <_bjoern> well who doesn't?
10:46:11 <laplink> It's quite comprehensive, as I understand it.
10:46:31 <laplink> Enough to be a plausible possible backend for .weather.
10:46:38 <zachb> Nice
10:46:56 <_bjoern> phenny, "OBS-varsel: Lokalt stor skogbrannfare på Vestlandet sør for Stad og lokalt meget stor skogbrannfare østafjells."?
10:46:57 <phenny> _bjoern: "Important Notice: Local high skogbrannfare Unit south of the City and local big skogbrannfare østafjells." (no to en, translate.google.com)
10:48:57 <_bjoern> l33t urlz http://re1-bplus-001.yos.re1.yahoo.com/demos/?s=jsonrequest
11:01:21 <_bjoern> .title http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2008/05/28/8555659.aspx
11:01:22 <phenny> _bjoern: The Old New Thing : India Calling: Call centers from the Indian point of view
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11:57:50 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 75 minutes to blah blah
11:57:50 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu May 29 14:12:30 BST 2008
11:57:51 <phenny> sbp: 10:33Z <MoiraA> tell sbp I acknowledged his message, but I'm only here until this afternoon, then at my Dad's till late Sunday night and I'll catch him when I can
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12:14:13 <Monty> lo jewel
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12:38:35 <Morbus> .c 29346/1139576 * 100
12:38:35 <phenny> Morbus: 08:46Z <sbp> tell Morbus http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tech/science/forest-rings.html
12:38:36 <phenny> (29 346 / 1 139 576) * 100 = 2.57516831
12:38:41 <Morbus> WOOT! 2.5%!
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12:51:36 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's idickinson!
13:13:07 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you to blah blah
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13:40:56 <sbp> thanks Monty
13:40:56 <Monty> Please go on.
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14:17:01 <Morbus> old, but ha ha: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7412417.stm
14:17:08 <Morbus> balmer's face is like "wtf."
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14:32:48 <sbp> XANTHOR
14:32:55 <sbp> you are like the superhero version of the gum
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14:56:01 <nslater> BEEP
14:57:36 <nsh-> BAAP
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15:00:00 <nsh-> FORT CRIMES!
15:05:30 <xover> I think you left out an “H” in there.
15:07:03 <sbp> BEEP
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15:16:05 <sbp> nslater: yeah, book's existence is public
15:16:18 <nslater> cool
15:16:19 <sbp> well, I have two planned. I assume you're referring to the æsthetic theory one
15:16:27 <sbp> it's at 39,500 words now
15:16:35 <sbp> which is a small sized book
15:16:35 <nslater> I cant remember really, you said that you were thinking of distiling whits into a book, or something
15:16:47 <sbp> well it was a continuation of Whits
15:16:52 <nslater> yeah
15:17:04 <sbp> those essays I was writing in February and into March, I carried on in earnest in April and May
15:17:14 <sbp> writing a tremendous amount more than I had done, and really developing some themes
15:17:16 <sbp> so it's all good
15:17:19 <nslater> cool
15:17:21 * nslater grins
15:17:26 <sbp> though in the past week, I've been a bit attenuated
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15:17:46 <nslater> spoken to any publishers yet?
15:17:54 <sbp> nope
15:18:04 <sbp> I've been figuring I ought to release it after the other book
15:18:08 <sbp> and that other book will take years
15:18:15 <sbp> so this mightn't see the light of day for quite a while
15:18:17 <nslater> which other book?
15:18:30 <sbp> I'm developing one about Shakespeare
15:18:34 <xover> A collection of erotic photographs.
15:18:41 <xover> Of Shakespeare.
15:18:45 <sbp> :-)
15:18:47 <nslater> nice
15:19:53 <nslater> bah, in one way it's great and in another way I miss whits :(
15:20:19 <sbp> well if I were writing it as whits it wouldn't have been as good
15:20:21 <xover> Not particularly the østhetic theory stuff.
15:20:33 <xover> Interesting typo.
15:20:38 <sbp> well æsthetic theory is just what I call it
15:21:14 <nslater> cant you do some filler posts, like "10 ways to improve your CSS" or "20 things you need to know about RDF" or even some kind of link blog where you link to funny youtube videos and such like?
15:21:20 <sbp> really it's a bunch of stuff on philosophy of science, art theory, history, ethics, metaphysics, all kinds of things, but hopefully written in quite a popular style, so using lots of examples and being very clear and everyman (and everywoman)
15:21:26 <sbp> chuckle
15:21:30 <sbp> yeah, I've been thinking about it
15:21:35 <nslater> lawl
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15:34:42 * nsh- distills sbp's whits
15:35:11 <sbp> mmm... distilled whits
15:35:14 <nslater> with coke
15:35:20 <nslater> and a bit of lime
15:35:37 <nsh-> heh
15:35:54 <nsh-> there's a whole section in my drosophila protocols manual dedicated to administering cocaine to fruit flies
15:36:11 <sbp> awesome
15:36:14 <nslater> totalz
15:46:09 <xover> Pics or it didn't happen!
15:46:09 <Monty> hehe
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16:02:05 <nslater> .gd nu
16:02:06 <phenny> nu: A swirling watery chaos from which the cosmic order was produced. In the begining there was only Nu. See also the creation myths
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16:02:32 <sbp> mauahaha
16:02:52 <sbp> phenny: tell _bjoern <nslater> .gd nu <phenny> nu: A swirling watery chaos from which the cosmic order was produced. In the begining there was only Nu. See also the creation myths
16:02:52 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when _bjoern is around.
16:03:03 *** nslater changed the topic to: "Swhack: A swirling watery chaos from which the cosmic order was produced | In the begining there was only NU"
16:03:22 <nslater> .u nu
16:03:24 <phenny> U+A193 YI SYLLABLE NU (ꆓ)
16:03:25 <Monty> "you"
16:04:02 <nslater> .u greek small letter nu
16:04:02 <phenny> U+03BD GREEK SMALL LETTER NU (ν)
16:04:06 <nslater> \o/
16:04:22 <sbp> nν
16:04:35 <nslater> that would be transliterated as nnu surely?
16:04:40 <sbp> yepp
16:04:45 <nslater> okayy
16:05:00 <sbp> double letters in Greek mean a long consonant
16:05:07 <sbp> we've been through this, mang
16:05:19 <nslater> not with me, i zone out when people start talking about greek consonants
16:05:23 <sbp> hehe
16:05:30 <xover> .u greek capital letter nu
16:05:47 <phenny> U+039D GREEK CAPITAL LETTER NU (Ν)
16:06:01 <nslater> .wik Nu
16:06:02 <phenny> "Nu (letter), a letter in the Greek alphabet: lowercase ν, uppercase Ν" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu
16:06:06 <nslater> .wik Nu watery chaos
16:06:09 <phenny> "Atum (alternatively spelled Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an important deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the city of Heliopolis." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atum
16:06:30 <xover> Νν
16:06:33 <nslater> ¯\(°_0)/¯
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16:08:45 <sbp> ΝNΝNΝNΝNΝNΝΝNΝNΝNΝNΝΝΝNΝΝΝNΝΝNΝNΝNΝΝNΝNΝΝNΝNΝ
16:08:55 <nslater> OMG
16:13:17 <sbp> phenny!
16:13:17 <phenny> sbp!
16:13:19 <sbp> hmm
16:14:11 <sbp> I wonder if there's a worry associated with Ginsparg's Law
16:14:22 <sbp> I'm trying to work out why people being Wrong, locally, annoys people so much
16:14:38 <sbp> rather than just accepting that people are sometimes fuckwits and just moving on
16:14:59 <sbp> I suppose the Ginsparg Worry might be something like: what if everybody were a fuckwit?
16:15:17 <sbp> it's almost like it seems logical that if one person can be a fuckwit, then everybody can be a fuckwit
16:15:39 <sbp> at the very least, we might fear disorder if 99% of people are fuckwits
16:16:21 <sbp> I doubt that 99% of all people are certifiable fuckwits...
16:16:21 <Monty> potty mouth!
16:16:26 <sbp> might be quite a few all the same though
16:16:47 <sbp> trouble is that fuckwittery can spread through culture/mass hysteria/etc.
16:17:25 <sbp> perhaps this explains why intellectuals get overworked up about people being ignorant around thme
16:17:37 <sbp> also there's the whole ignorance-in-power problem
16:17:59 <sbp> if 10% of people control the other 90%, and that 10% is wholly from the fuckwits distribution
16:18:00 <sbp> hmm
16:18:14 <sbp> do we react more strongly to ignorance-in-authority, or less strongly?
16:18:19 <sbp> I think I react more strongly
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16:22:44 <Monty> it's kpreid!
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16:36:27 <nslater> sbp: are you aware that some wikipedia articles with a right graphic throw phenny's parsing off?
16:44:34 <sbp> nope? example?
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16:51:23 <xover> Idoru?
16:52:16 <jsled> Unexpected complications? who would have thunk it.
16:53:45 <sbp> -u6e? awesome
16:56:18 <sbp> well at least she's sorry about it
16:56:31 <sbp> for the logs:
16:56:32 <sbp> 17:41 *** idoru sets mode -u sbp
16:56:33 <sbp> 17:41 *** idoru sets mode -6 sbp
16:56:33 <sbp> 17:44 <sbp> nope? example?
16:56:40 <sbp> 17:50 *** Idoru. sets mode -e sbp
16:56:40 <sbp> 17:50 <xover> Idoru?
16:56:40 <sbp> 17:50 -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all! Our Services migration is taking slightly longer due to unexpected complications, I apologise for the interruptions. Until the move is complete further information will be given as wallops, to read these please /umode +w yournick. Thank you!
16:56:42 <sbp> 17:51 <jsled> Unexpected complications? who would have thunk it.
16:56:44 <sbp> 17:53 <sbp> -u6e? awesome
16:56:46 <sbp> 17:55 -christel/Wallops- I'm really sorry about the delay and even more sorry for inadvertedly stealing everyones +u6 earlier, and for giving the wrong command to +w yourself! Yours truly is having a rather blonde moment which combined with a complete lack of ruby-foo meant I created some beautiful hiccups and "broke" a pseudo-server. Sorry
16:57:19 <sbp> also I'm not sure what inadvertedly means
16:57:24 <sbp> but probably best not to point that out. heh
16:57:54 <xover> Jolly polite of you, sir.
16:59:57 <Morbus> sbp: my achewood books stil aren't here. i'm getting impatient. rowr.
17:00:19 <sbp> how long ago did you order them?
17:00:25 <Morbus> 2 weeks ago exactly.
17:00:29 <Morbus> i know, i know.
17:00:31 <Morbus> but STILL.
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17:03:37 <Monty> bah, it's tav again
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17:17:39 <procto> Morbus: I've been thinking of getting some, too
17:17:44 <procto> are these your first?
17:17:57 <procto> Morbus: would you mind reporting on your level of satisfaction upon reciept?
17:18:10 <procto> I always wondered what would be the value added over mere online access
17:18:16 <Morbus> procto: sure. sbp has some too.
17:18:19 <procto> rather than just the physical posession
17:18:30 <procto> which always seemed a tad inadequate to me
17:18:37 <Morbus> i sent them an email asking what the status was.
17:18:43 <Morbus> cos i really really want 'em.
17:18:44 <Morbus> ;)
17:19:06 <procto> I was thinking of getting the dude greeting cards, too
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17:32:40 <deltab> sbp: Heresy on Radio 4 now
17:37:31 <sbp> 18:36 *** NickServ has bestowed the power of +u onto you
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17:37:53 <clsn> sbp: new blog entry yesterday.
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17:39:21 <sbp> clsn: do you know about Haidinger's brush?
17:39:22 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haidinger%27s_brush
17:39:36 <clsn> I know *now*, having read about it in the article I link to.
17:39:48 <clsn> Which pointed me to Wikipedia et al.
17:39:51 <sbp> yeah, just got that far too, sry
17:40:11 <clsn> heh.
17:41:07 <procto> yay my employer gave me cake
17:41:10 <sbp> chuckle. did you detect any reversed rope
17:41:23 <clsn> Not an earth-shakingly profound entry, but I know/hope you like to read my blog. And see how it goes? I start with an idea... and the article just grows HUGE because I scrape for all the jagrillion things I know that relate to it...
17:41:26 <sbp> (plus question mark)
17:41:35 <clsn> I don't recall actually finding any. Which is sort of too bad. :)
17:42:02 <sbp> yeah, I'm not subscribed for some reason
17:42:07 <sbp> well I wasn't subscribed. I am now
17:42:11 <clsn> K.
17:42:26 <sbp> phenny: tell xover http://whythatsdelightful.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/another-reason-not-to-see-shitty-new-indiana-jones-movie/
17:42:28 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
17:42:30 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater http://whythatsdelightful.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/another-reason-not-to-see-shitty-new-indiana-jones-movie/
17:42:30 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
17:42:39 <clsn> I should write more dammit. Bleah.
17:42:50 <sbp> agreed
17:43:01 <sbp> MOAR WRITING
17:43:36 <clsn> I usually like what I produce. But I never can get started,... nothing important enough to say, blah blah... *Grumble* there's at least one really cool book waiting to be written inside me.
17:44:17 <procto> sbp: it's why now that I'm 21 it's only Premium Theatres for me!
17:44:34 <procto> sbp: those are the ones that are 21+, with plush leather seating, and in-your-seat dining/drinking service
17:44:55 <procto> dinner and a movie rolled into one
17:47:22 <clsn> Meanwhile, trying to remember things I notice that make my wife say "You're so weird!" I texted her to ask if she remembered any. And apparently the text itself made her say "oh you're so weird"... Wow, self-ref.
17:47:40 <sbp> hehe
17:54:03 <clsn> 4 clicks from "Carrick bend" to "Helvetica"
17:54:58 <clsn> *blink* there's no WP page for "waterbomb base"???
17:56:08 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you to MEADES
17:56:28 <sbp> Meades? Meades!
17:56:29 <clsn> Oh OK, they're listed in "Origami techniques." I should probably learn how to do a redirect.
17:56:32 <sbp> thanks Monty!
17:56:32 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
17:56:34 <sbp> deltab!
18:00:08 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you to watch Meades. deltab too should be reminded. AND NSLATER IF HE HAS A TELLY
18:00:32 <sbp> deltab! nslater! Meades!
18:02:40 <sbp> .gc "monuments to hypocrisy"
18:02:41 <phenny> "monuments to hypocrisy": 123
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18:05:01 <sbp> hahaha
18:05:09 <sbp> Reconstrúction
18:05:27 <sbp> <3
18:07:15 <sbp> aurox? aurocks? orox?
18:08:04 <deltab> aurochs
18:08:08 <deltab> .wik auroch
18:08:11 <phenny> "The aurochs or urus (Bos primigenius) was a very large type of cattle, now extinct, that was prevalent in Europe." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auroch
18:08:19 <sbp> many thanks
18:11:46 <sbp> .gc "the God franchise"
18:11:47 <phenny> "the God franchise": 147
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18:17:22 <sbp> .gc "Spaniel dipped in cod-liver-oil"
18:17:23 <phenny> "Spaniel dipped in cod-liver-oil": 0
18:17:25 <sbp> hehe
18:19:44 <deltab> kenessas, kibinai
18:19:45 <sbp> kibbinai?
18:19:49 <sbp> hehe
18:19:51 <sbp> thanks
18:22:15 <deltab> Siaulai
18:30:07 <sbp> that was a brilliant one
18:30:56 <deltab> yeah
18:31:08 <deltab> why did I record the Simpsons instead of that?
18:31:16 <sbp> yeah, whoops
18:31:23 <sbp> might end up on Youtube like most of the others though!
18:31:38 <sbp> not as good quality though
18:31:40 <deltab> won't be as high-res
18:31:43 <sbp> mmm
18:32:23 * sbp notes he got the wrong diacritic above, should've been ü
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18:50:52 <bancus> I don't suppose anyone here uses InDesign?
18:51:12 * bancus wants to know how I can get it to just add new pages of the same type to continue the text path.
18:59:16 <sbp> Springwatch!
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19:14:18 <sbp> ooh, the high-speed camera
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19:18:28 <_bjoern> sbp http://www.datenform.de/blog/2008/05/german-finger.html
19:18:29 <phenny> _bjoern: 16:02Z <sbp> tell _bjoern <nslater> .gd nu <phenny> nu: A swirling watery chaos from which the cosmic order was produced. In the begining there was only Nu. See also the creation myths
19:18:53 * _bjoern knows
19:25:46 <sbp> scanning a Schäuble replica: ahahaha
19:25:59 <sbp> phenny: tell cre8radix http://www.datenform.de/blog/2008/05/german-finger.html (via _bjoern)
19:25:59 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when cre8radix is around.
19:27:19 <sbp> there are cranes on the telly
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19:33:38 <bancus> John 5 has recorded three solo albums. His solo material is a mixture of hard rock, progressive bluegrass, and country music, a mixture he calls "Blackgrass".
19:33:42 <bancus> I just... wow.
19:45:34 <sbp> oho, so it was a wren in the background!
19:53:39 <jsled> .wik john 5
19:53:39 <phenny> "John 5 is the fifth chapter of the Gospel of John of the New Testament of the Christian Bible." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_5
19:54:07 <sbp> .wik Brook lamp ray
19:54:12 <phenny> "Hi did you take this pic? --Genisock2" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Genisock2
19:54:16 <sbp> hmm
19:54:48 <jsled> That sounded like it could be interesting until I see <http://www.john-5.com/news.html>.
19:54:50 <_bjoern> So I'm voiced and de-auth'd all of the sudden!
19:55:00 <jsled> Dude. Wipe that shit off your face.
19:55:09 <_bjoern> nu
19:55:21 <jsled> But the girls with robot guitar arms at <http://www.john-5.com/> are kinda cool.
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20:01:47 <_bjoern> How long has it been since anyone told timbl that http uses URLs and URLs LOCATE things, they DONT NAME things, that's what URNs are for?
20:02:25 <sbp> too long. I nominate you! (nu!)
20:03:17 <_bjoern> I already explained namespaces to Henry S. Thompson today.
20:03:28 <sbp> URI plz
20:03:37 <_bjoern> UDONTWANNAKNOW
20:03:42 <sbp> URI plz
20:04:00 <_bjoern> it's boring!
20:04:06 <_bjoern> just check www-tag archs.
20:04:07 <sbp> all tech is boring!
20:04:32 <sbp> .title http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008May/0206
20:04:33 <phenny> sbp: Re: Implementing aria: -- examples and methodology from Bjoern Hoehrmann on 2008-05-29 (www-tag@w3.org from May 2008)
20:05:04 <_bjoern> well the one before that really
20:06:22 <sbp> .title http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008May/0200
20:06:23 <phenny> sbp: Re: Implementing aria: -- examples and methodology from Bjoern Hoehrmann on 2008-05-29 (www-tag@w3.org from May 2008)
20:07:40 <sbp> “What is the XPath syntax to select an attribute that has neither namespace name nor local name?” - mu()
20:08:24 <sbp> 0206 was very UDONTWANNAKNOW
20:08:25 <_bjoern> I would expect @*[local-name() = '' and namespace-uri() = ''] ...
20:08:29 <sbp> but 0200 was fairly cool
20:08:58 <sbp> yeah, but '' is undefined
20:09:03 <sbp> in lieu of an empty documents RFC
20:09:29 <sbp> you didn't even mention that in the email!
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20:13:04 <_bjoern> That's probably because I spent most time optimizing my Lard Factor!
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20:13:16 <sbp> you have a Lard Factor?
20:13:33 <_bjoern> everyone has a lard factor.
20:13:43 <sbp> dang man. what's my Lard Factor?
20:14:04 <sbp> does it work like a DEFCON?
20:14:04 <_bjoern> http://artsci.wustl.edu/~writing/concision.html has a definition
20:14:27 <sbp> you Strunkian
20:14:31 <sbp> Morbus does the same thing
20:14:42 <sbp> I noticed that you had hyphen-ated words on two lines
20:14:56 <sbp> also I wondered why you didn't add extra spaces to the lines that fell just a bit short to make them align
20:15:29 <_bjoern> I misplace hyphens readily, but would never add spaces!
20:15:44 <_bjoern> I got it from ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc-editor/tutorial.latest.pdf btw.
20:15:50 <_bjoern> .swhack Lard Factor
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20:17:19 <phenny> _bjoern: http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-28#T19-11-05
20:17:44 <sbp> so “my petition is thus: it be beseeched and entreated of you in humble kindness, dear sir, that a navigational device might be forthcoming from your august possession such that I may be led unerringly through uncharted waters unto the procuration of such ineffably aetheric and alchymerical elxir as might prove the very whettance of my voluptuously epicurean inclinations” would have a relatively large Lard Factor?
20:18:08 <_bjoern> off by one day and a few hours
20:18:27 <sbp> it would have been the very anniversary of your utterance!
20:20:25 <sbp> Big Ben is pulsing
20:20:43 <sbp> it was glowing on and off
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20:21:22 <_bjoern> Better hope they don't copyright the lightshow, like with the pile of junk in the frog capital.
20:22:37 <sbp> they copyrighted a lightshow?!
20:22:39 <sbp> really?
20:23:02 <_bjoern> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_Tower#Image_copyright_claims
20:23:12 * clsn copyrights a light *frequency*. That particular shade of greenish...
20:23:26 <sbp> “The light show created for the Eiffel Tower is copyrighted in France.”
20:24:00 <bancus> i don't see why you couldn't.
20:24:01 <sbp> man, the craze
20:24:07 <bancus> You can copyright movies.
20:24:19 <bancus> Which used to be just patterns of light projected onto a wall.
20:24:20 <clsn> I suppose people *do* copyright light frequencies, or rather colors. Some colors are associated with particular brands etc and using them for a competing one can be done confusingly.
20:24:33 <clsn> It's all reducible to ones and zeros...
20:24:38 <bancus> That's trademark, not copyright, clsn.
20:24:49 <clsn> bancus: correct, good point, I had been conflating them.
20:24:53 <sbp> turn it into a reaaaaaaally big prime number of some zip file
20:25:39 <clsn> I saw some various stoopeedo attempts to circumvent IP laws by dancing around like that... "well, they're just random blocks of data after all... You can't go after us for having random data..."
20:25:52 <bancus> Although if someone took the same script and reshot the same movie, I wonder about the copyright status of that.
20:26:30 <bancus> I guess it would be like cover songs.
20:28:15 <clsn> I don't really see how you could re-create the Eiffel Tower lightshow (i.e. infringe on the copyright) without using the actual eiffel tower anyway...
20:28:53 <deltab> what about a replica, e.g. in Las Vegas?
20:29:50 * clsn makes a mental note, for future versions of Marin... have some opentype magic that makes ɔ plus combining circle turn out a *good* copyleft symbol.
20:30:03 <clsn> Yeah, maybe... I'm just sort of wondering what good the copyright accomplishes.
20:31:17 <bancus> Preventing sales of videotapes of the show?
20:31:40 <clsn> Isn't that a copyright on the video? Ah, but this prevents private individuals from taping it...
20:31:40 <Monty> Hah
20:31:52 <clsn> Whoa...
20:31:58 <bancus> Or rather, from selling their tapes.
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20:32:15 <bancus> You can't record a movie being played in a theatre, and then sell that.
20:32:34 <clsn> Yeah, I was thinking then we could copyright our faces and nobody would be allowed to use security cameras on us... but no, they just can't sell the tape.
20:32:46 <bancus> Yeah.
20:32:47 <bancus> Pri
20:32:56 <bancus> Private copies are usually legal.
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20:33:17 <bancus> But, really, how can you copyright your own face.
20:33:19 <bancus> You didn't make it.
20:33:19 <clsn> Indeed. Though copies of one's privates aren't always.
20:33:23 <bancus> Maybe your parents could.
20:33:30 <clsn> Maybe not, but it's still mine.
20:33:40 <clsn> And in some ways I did make it.
20:34:05 <clsn> The musculature is due to my use of it... The scars due to my experiences... If my diet were different it might be fatter or thinner...
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20:52:18 * sbp wonders if we're still talking about clsn's face or what
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20:52:29 <clsn> Aren't we always?
20:53:29 <_bjoern> nice tbd in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008May/0210.html
20:54:29 <sbp> ㋡
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20:54:57 <_bjoern> ur nsbp
20:55:11 <_bjoern> ur !nbsp
20:55:11 * Monty spots someone who needs to learn English...
20:55:31 <_bjoern> Uriger Kommentar Monty.
20:55:31 <Monty> Does talking about this bother you ?
20:55:53 <_bjoern> Uralte Beschwerden von dir interessieren mich sehr Monty.
20:55:54 <Monty> Your keyboard is tasty
20:56:03 <sbp> funny: 21:54 *** #swhack :http://notabug.com/swhack/
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20:56:55 <_bjoern> OMG YOU USED THUNDERBIRD
20:57:08 <sbp> what!
20:57:13 <sbp> when?
20:57:15 <_bjoern> I wonder whether it sucked less in the past.
20:57:20 <_bjoern> Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:30:35 +0000
20:57:21 <sbp> probably not, no
20:57:24 <sbp> it's always been pretty crap
20:57:30 <sbp> aw mang, don't look at the past
20:57:38 <_bjoern> Why not, it's all I got!
20:57:43 <sbp> kk
20:57:51 <sbp> I use Mail.app to backup mail now
20:57:56 <sbp> anyways, gots to run
20:57:58 <sbp> 'night!
20:58:00 <_bjoern> night
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21:06:39 <Monty> _bjoern: You asked me to remind you to OMGWDR
21:06:58 <_bjoern> OMGWDR thx
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21:30:24 <Monty> hi RobotGuy, how ya doing?
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21:59:41 <bancus> .cp plus minus
21:59:41 <phenny> bancus: .cp has been replaced by .u
21:59:42 <Monty> "you"
21:59:47 <bancus> .u plus minus
21:59:48 <phenny> U+00B1 PLUS-MINUS SIGN (±)
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23:12:06 <_bjoern> .gc "KRYOGENIKS EBK and DEFIANT RoXed COMCAST."
23:12:08 <phenny> "KRYOGENIKS EBK and DEFIANT RoXed COMCAST.": 1,210
23:17:47 <nsh> .ety expedient
23:17:47 <phenny> "1398, 'advantageous, fit, proper' (adj.), from L. expedientem (nom. expediens) 'beneficial,' prp. of expedire 'make fit or ready, prepare' (see expedite)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=expedient
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23:40:43 <_bjoern> .title http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/may2008/fbi-m23_prn.shtml
23:40:44 <phenny> _bjoern: FBI files indict Bush, Cheney and Co. as war criminals
23:40:56 <_bjoern> phenny, de "schmökern"?
23:40:57 <phenny> _bjoern: "schmökern" (de to en, translate.google.com)
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