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00:11:25 <_bjoern> countdown
00:11:25 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 75, 1, 2, 2, 5, 5. Your target is 565. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
00:11:38 <_bjoern> calc 5*75
00:11:38 <Monty> _bjoern: 375
00:11:50 <_bjoern> calc (5+2+1)*75
00:11:51 <Monty> _bjoern: 600
00:11:55 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
00:11:57 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 110 milliseconds. I found all 24 solutions in about 125 milliseconds.
00:11:58 <Monty> ibot ((1 + 2)*75*5 + 5)/2
00:12:06 <_bjoern> Monty nu
00:12:07 <Monty> Surprise!
00:12:10 <_bjoern> Yes...
00:12:12 <_bjoern> countdown
00:12:13 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 9, 8, 5, 10, 9. Your target is 670. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
00:12:26 <_bjoern> hmm
00:12:43 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
00:12:44 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 0 milliseconds. I found all 28 solutions in about 31 milliseconds.
00:12:46 <Monty> ibot (8*9 - 5)*10
00:12:50 <_bjoern> 8*9 -
00:12:52 <_bjoern> grr
00:14:19 <_bjoern> .gc "Tempel der himmlischen frau"
00:14:20 <phenny> "Tempel der himmlischen frau": 0
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00:14:32 <_bjoern> .gc "himmlische frau"
00:14:33 <phenny> "himmlische frau": 1,510
00:15:31 <_bjoern> phenny, de "Schluckauf"?
00:15:31 <_bjoern> hickup?
00:15:32 <phenny> _bjoern: "Hiccup" (de to en, translate.google.com)
00:15:36 <_bjoern> rightz
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01:20:25 <_bjoern> Monty, sag a mol, was sagst?
01:20:27 <Monty> configures perspiring offline rabbits!
01:20:34 <_bjoern> Monty, aber meenst des ah?
01:20:35 <Monty> Mike_L: np
01:20:47 <_bjoern> Monty, wos hat'n Mike_L mit dem zu'tan?
01:20:47 <Monty> blargh
01:21:08 <_bjoern> Monty, you always say that, but do you really mean it?
01:21:13 <Monty> lol plum it isn't the alternative version control system, just used for hanging around?
01:21:16 <plum> hehe, my capslock is an extra control-key. just saw the last three she isn't chestless.
01:21:32 <_bjoern> Monty, lol, no, lol plum it isn't not the alternative version control system, just used for hanging around?
01:21:32 <Monty> You are being a bit negative.
01:21:35 <plum> hehe, yh lol i promise, u no u got me gaia cash gurl friend lol.
01:21:39 <_bjoern> Monty, yes lol
01:21:45 <Monty> ．．．．．．．．．．．＋ＸＩＩｔｔＸＹｉ；；＋ＹｔｔＩＩＹ：：：＋Ｉ．
01:21:57 <_bjoern> Monty, nu?
01:21:58 <Monty> poor harddisk :P
01:22:11 <_bjoern> Monty, ah, don't blame it!
01:22:12 <Monty> nslater@mahora: ~ @@
01:22:25 <_bjoern> Monty : ~ @@
01:22:26 <Monty> floating engorgement!
01:22:43 <_bjoern> .gc floating engorgement
01:22:43 <phenny> floating engorgement: 63,000
01:26:12 <zachb> .title http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/05/comcast-hijacke.html
01:26:13 <phenny> zachb: Comcast Hijackers Say They Warned the Company First | Threat Level from Wired.com
01:26:17 <zachb> That is awsome
01:26:27 <zachb> so awsome, it blew the first `e` up
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04:12:59 <jsled> phenny: "Casseroles et éprouvettes"?
04:13:00 <phenny> jsled: "Pans and test pieces" (fr to en, translate.google.com)
04:13:07 <jsled> hmm.
04:13:20 <jsled> phenny: "la Casserole des enfants"?
04:13:21 <phenny> jsled: "the children Casserole" (fr to en, translate.google.com)
04:13:36 <jsled> phenny: "Traité élémentaire de cuisine"?
04:13:38 <phenny> jsled: "Basic Treaty kitchen" (fr to en, translate.google.com)
04:13:57 <jsled> phenny: "Construisons un repas"?
04:13:58 <phenny> jsled: "Build a meal" (fr to en, translate.google.com)
04:14:05 <jsled> phenny: "De la science aux fourneaux"?
04:14:06 <phenny> jsled: "From science at the stove" (fr to en, translate.google.com)
04:14:23 <jsled> phenny: "Alchimistes aux fourneaux"?
04:14:25 <phenny> jsled: "Alchimistes the furnaces" (fr to en, translate.google.com)
04:14:30 <jsled> ah.
04:15:05 <jsled> thanks. phenny.
04:15:18 <jsled> Monty: isn't phenny great?
04:15:21 <Monty> Satan's Windows95 masturbates oblong cranium.
04:16:11 <zachb> ...
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07:19:32 <sbp> hmm. dircproxy is being odd
07:19:32 <phenny> sbp: 30 May 23:22Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7427206.stm
07:19:34 <sbp> won't give scrollback for Swhack, but gives it for other channels
07:19:36 <sbp> also yo
07:20:13 <sbp> chuckle, Google have a crappy new favicon
07:20:13 <xover> loggy sued the dircproxy developers for business method infringement.
07:20:18 <sbp> aha
07:20:20 <sbp> figures
07:20:53 <sbp> wow
07:20:58 <sbp> TERRORISM SCARF
07:21:17 <xover> Og man. When your logo is one of the most recognizable in the world, and is distinctive text to begin with; why oh why would you introduce a favicon like that?
07:21:46 <sbp> yeah, good innit?
07:21:52 <sbp> complete fail in the design dept.
07:21:57 <xover> It looks like a captcha'ed number 8.
07:22:02 <sbp> ehheh
07:22:21 <sbp> I read that apostrophe as "-murder"
07:22:32 <sbp> .gc captcha-murdered
07:22:33 <phenny> captcha-murdered: 0
07:22:40 <xover> Huh?
07:22:58 <sbp> glyphs murdered by captcha
07:23:25 <xover> Ah. I thought you meant generally, and wondered what you've been reading lately.
07:23:35 <sbp> heh, nope
07:23:39 <sbp> I was just backstorying
07:23:53 <sbp> this apostrophe could stand... for a thing!
07:24:54 <sbp> .wik List of plants poisonous to equines
07:24:55 <phenny> "This is a list of plants which are poisonous to equines." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_plants_poisonous_to_equines
07:25:10 <sbp> Wikipedia has eeeverything
07:26:44 <sbp> .title http://scienceblogs.com/islandofdoubt/2008/05/the_great_blip_of_1945_explain.php?utm_source=networkbanner&utm_medium=link
07:26:45 <phenny> sbp: The Island of Doubt : The great blip of 1945 explained
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07:30:12 <rmccue|mibbit> sbp: ping?
07:32:56 <rmccue|mibbit> phenny: ask sbp is there anything I can do to get phenny running on Windows, because os.fork() isn't supported by Win
07:32:57 <phenny> rmccue|mibbit: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
07:35:51 <rmccue|mibbit> Any chance that anyone else knows?
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07:36:35 <xover> .g python "fork emulation"
07:36:36 <phenny> xover: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2000-July/007562.html
07:38:24 <rmccue|mibbit> xover: That's a Perl script
07:38:56 <xover> Perl emulates for on Win32. I would assume the same is an option for Python.
07:40:29 <rmccue|mibbit> xover: No, that discussion is about porting the Perl code to Python
07:41:27 <xover> .title http://www.google.com/
07:41:32 <phenny> xover: Google
07:42:59 <rmccue|mibbit> xover: Already searched and tried hacking phenny myself, otherwise I wouldn't ask
08:12:38 <rmccue|mibbit> Damn it.
08:13:16 <rmccue|mibbit> Why is the watcher class used?
08:16:19 <xover> heh heh
08:16:20 <xover> [[[
08:16:20 <xover> I have only one word: yuck!
08:16:20 <xover>
08:16:20 <xover> Portable Python code should not rely on fork.
08:16:20 <xover> ]]] -- Guido van Rossum
08:17:34 <rmccue|mibbit> Right, so I've commented the call to Watcher(), now I'm getting an uncaught exception.
08:21:27 <xover> Which exception would that be?
08:23:53 <rmccue|mibbit> Python doesn't say
08:24:06 <rmccue|mibbit> "warning: unhandled exception"
08:24:31 <xover> Weird. My favourite Python thing to be annoyed at are its incessant stack traces at the least provocation.
08:25:21 <rmccue|mibbit> I'm guessing it's in a loop somewhere, because it's continuing indefinitely.
08:25:36 <xover> Oh, does it say that when you try to Ctrl-C it?
08:26:34 <xover> Ah, no, you mean it keeps spewing out that error message. Right.
08:26:52 <rmccue|mibbit> Yeah.
08:27:25 <rmccue|mibbit> I do get a KeyboardInterrupt exception when I Ctrl-C it, but I'm guessing that's because I removed the watcher class.
08:27:40 <xover> right
08:27:48 <xover> Hmm. Except…
08:27:54 <xover> You shouldn't.
08:28:33 <xover> There's a handler for it outside the Watcher; the latter is just there because of a bug that makes Python ignore your Ctrl-C in some cases.
08:28:52 <rmccue|mibbit> FYI, this didn't occur in previous versions.
08:29:03 <xover> IOW, the KeyboardInterrupt should be handled.
08:29:19 <xover> So now we have to exceptions that aren't handled.
08:29:24 <xover> two, even.
08:29:55 <xover> Could you have introduced a syntax error (along the lines of a missing semi-colon from the Perl world) when you disabled the Watcher?
08:30:30 <rmccue|mibbit> I simply commented out the line with "Watcher()"
08:30:41 <rmccue|mibbit> No syntax errors, I've checked
08:31:40 <rmccue|mibbit> Also, is it meant to print out every command on starting up?
08:32:33 * rmccue|mibbit might just downgrade to previous version if it's too much bother
08:32:39 <xover> The obvious loop to be generating incessant exceptions seems to be connect(config) down in run_phenny.
08:33:33 <xover> What's the state of your config file?
08:33:50 <rmccue|mibbit> What do you mean?
08:34:04 <xover> Clean from the new phenny version? Or with old gunk form previous phenny? Have you checked that hostnames and such make sense / look ok?
08:34:34 * xover hates on sbp's code for a bit…
08:34:44 <rmccue|mibbit> It's a new one
08:34:52 <rmccue|mibbit> Generated by the new phenny
08:35:02 <rmccue|mibbit> I'll try messing around with it some more
08:35:18 <rmccue|mibbit> Ah, I see now.
08:35:31 <rmccue|mibbit> I introduced a bug when copying something into the config
08:37:55 <xover> phenny: tell sbp Learn to code properly, fuckwit!
08:37:56 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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09:17:13 <rmccue> What would I use to send a message when someone joins? f_autoherald.command = "JOIN" doesn't seem to work anymore
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09:21:36 <xover> phenny: tell rmccue I think that was discussed in the logs on here yesterday. ish.
09:21:36 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when rmccue is around.
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09:29:09 <rmccue> .
09:29:10 <phenny> rmccue: 09:21Z <xover> tell rmccue I think that was discussed in the logs on here yesterday. ish.
09:29:19 <rmccue> xover: I'll check, thanks.
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09:31:55 <rmccue> xover: .event, thanks :)
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09:38:41 <cre8radix> moin
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09:45:58 <sbp> .ety anthropomorphic
09:45:58 <phenny> sbp: 07:32Z <rmccue|mibbit> ask sbp is there anything I can do to get phenny running on Windows, because os.fork() isn't supported by Win
09:45:59 <phenny> sbp: 08:37Z <xover> tell sbp Learn to code properly, fuckwit!
09:46:03 <phenny> "1827, from anthropomorphous (1753), Anglicization of L.L. anthropomorphus 'having human form,' from Gk. anthropomorphos, from anthropos 'human being' (see anthropo-) + morphe 'form' (see morphine)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=anthropomorphic
09:47:23 <xover> ,ety anthropopathy
09:47:31 <xover> .ety anthropopathy
09:47:32 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "anthropopathy". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=anthropopathy
09:47:36 <xover> bah
09:47:40 <xover> .wik anthropopathy
09:47:41 <phenny> "Anthropopathy (Greek ανθρωπος, anthropos, 'human', παθος, pathos, 'suffering') is the attribution of human emotion to a non-human being, generally a god." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropopathy
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09:54:49 <sbp> _bjoern reported the Windows thing ages ago
09:55:00 <sbp> surprised I didn't fix it yet... I thought I had
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09:56:45 <rmccue> sbp: I commented the Watcher() line
09:56:53 <sbp> did that work?
09:57:03 <rmccue> Yep, works fine for me now.
09:58:01 <sbp> okay, I've changed it to this:
09:58:02 <sbp> try: Watcher()
09:58:02 <sbp> except Exception, e:
09:58:02 <sbp> print >> sys.stderr, 'Warning:', e
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10:00:00 <rmccue> sbp: I've changed my code to the same and can confirm it works
10:00:13 <sbp> excellent, thanks
10:01:31 <rmccue> Oh, also, I renamed my "phenny" to "phenny.py", so that it's executable
10:01:39 <tav> lala!
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10:04:25 <sbp> ...so that it's executable?
10:04:31 <sbp> oh, on Windows. silly Windows, right
10:04:52 <rmccue> Yeah.
10:06:19 <rmccue> Now, time to rewrite my modules...
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10:15:33 <tav> phenny.bat
10:16:54 <sbp> rmccue: yeah, you should make a .bat
10:17:20 <rmccue> Mmph.
10:17:27 <rmccue> Easier just to rename it :P
10:17:49 <sbp> easier and wronger... :-)
10:17:55 <sbp> sorry about the module transitioning, by the way
10:18:04 <sbp> gotta balance progress with backwards compatibility
10:18:19 <sbp> note the use of tools.deprecated to ease things over though
10:21:50 <rmccue> Yeah.
10:22:58 <rmccue> So, input[0].split(' ', 3) would become?
10:23:10 <rmccue> I'm thinking input.matches()
10:24:59 <sbp> depends what the rule is
10:25:39 <sbp> if the rule is r'(\S+) (\S+) (.*)' then sure, input.matches() will work
10:25:46 <sbp> or groups() rather, I think
10:25:52 <rmccue> r'(.*)'
10:25:57 <sbp> then no
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10:26:13 <sbp> it's always best to make the rule as specific as possible anyway
10:26:19 <sbp> then it goes off less when you don't want it to
10:26:35 <rmccue> input.match.split(...)
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10:26:36 <rmccue> ?
10:26:54 <sbp> no, make the rule be r'(\S+) (\S+) (.*)'
10:26:59 <sbp> then use input.groups()
10:27:28 <sbp> input.match is a regexp match object, not a string, note
10:27:49 <rmccue> It'd be a too complicated regex, as it takes ".def foo" *or* ".def foo is bar"
10:27:59 <sbp> ah, okay
10:28:12 <sbp> input.split(' ', 3) then
10:28:39 <rmccue> What is input?
10:28:44 <sbp> it's a trick unicode object
10:29:01 <rmccue> Where's it declared?
10:29:04 <sbp> a CommandInput instance, derived from unicode
10:29:12 <sbp> search for CommandInput in http://inamidst.com/phenny/bot.py
10:30:26 <rmccue> Typical, it was 2 lines from where my cursor was :P
10:30:31 <sbp> heh
10:32:09 <rmccue> Now I have to go and reload phenny and work out why it keeps crashing :P
10:32:38 <sbp> it's your own fault for being a programmer
10:32:58 <sbp> non-programmers don't have to debug
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10:35:01 <sbp> 'ello
10:35:24 <rmccue|mibbit> I'm getting a "sequence item 1: expected string, NoneType found" in the console
10:35:27 <rmccue|mibbit> Any ideas?
10:35:38 <sbp> not if you don't have a line number for it, nope
10:36:06 <rmccue|mibbit> Yeah, I'm not getting a line number.
10:36:18 <rmccue|mibbit> It's in one of my modules somewhere...
10:36:26 * rmccue|mibbit goes a-hunting
10:37:28 <sbp> odd that it's not giving you a line number. must be part of the crash protection code
10:38:07 <sbp> there's only a few places where blanket errors are caught and printed
10:38:13 <rmccue|mibbit> And phenny is now unresponsive...
10:38:15 <sbp> you might want to add debug chars in them
10:38:20 <sbp> then you can tell where it's being caught
10:38:28 <sbp> and then eliminate the capture to get the true bug
10:38:35 <rmccue|mibbit> I've looked for the string itself.
10:38:35 <sbp> also possibly tell me so I can make it more informative
10:38:48 <rmccue|mibbit> It appears to be Python's output
10:38:48 <sbp> "the string itself"?
10:38:55 <sbp> eh?
10:39:38 <rmccue|mibbit> i.e. I searched in all files for "sequence item" and nothing is found
10:39:39 <sbp> oh, yes, it's clearly a normal argument error
10:39:57 <rmccue|mibbit> Any idea where it could appear?
10:40:03 <sbp> well, see my advice on how to find that
10:40:17 <sbp> modify all the catch-all anti-crash statements (there's only a few)
10:40:24 <rmccue|mibbit> Where are they?
10:40:46 <sbp> __init__.py, bot.py, and phenny(.py)
10:40:57 <sbp> the first line is always "except Exception, e:"
10:41:02 <sbp> and the second line is some kind of print
10:41:10 <sbp> change the print so that it has a little code at the end
10:41:12 <sbp> so if you see:
10:41:16 <sbp> print >> sys.stderr, e
10:41:19 <sbp> change that to:
10:41:22 <sbp> print >> sys.stderr, e, 'test01'
10:41:24 <sbp> or whatever
10:41:36 <sbp> a different number for each of the three or so catch-alls that you find
10:41:38 <sbp> then run the code again
10:41:50 <sbp> when it gives the error this time, it ought to display the testNN at the end
10:42:05 <sbp> so you'll know which print statement is creating the output
10:42:47 <sbp> I'll add codes to my version too
10:43:28 <rmccue|mibbit> It'd only be a sys.stderr, e one though, because there's no static string
10:43:33 <rmccue|mibbit> Right?
10:44:02 <sbp> yeah
10:44:35 <sbp> hmm, actually I can't see what would be causing this
10:44:50 <sbp> everything that I've put in already ought to be more informative than that
10:45:01 <rmccue|mibbit> Yeah, all the error printing involves a static string of some sort
10:45:31 <rmccue|mibbit> Wait, I might have it.
10:46:01 <rmccue|mibbit> Got it.
10:46:13 <rmccue|mibbit> It was an exception in a module of mine
10:46:14 <sbp> where?
10:46:17 <sbp> ha
10:46:35 <sbp> where was it being caught, though?
10:46:37 <sbp> in your module too?
10:46:55 <rmccue|mibbit> Yep.
10:48:13 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater someone reported a breakage on Windows, so: 17:64c71730473e 2008-05-31 Fix for Windows, and some more helpful error messages.
10:48:13 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
10:52:33 <rmccue|mibbit> What could be wrong with this line? phenny.say("%s %s" % (input.nick, row[2]))
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10:52:56 <rmccue|mibbit> (Where row[2] is a MySQL result)
10:53:50 <xover_> It's been tainted by *SQL?
10:54:02 <rmccue|mibbit> How could it be?
10:54:15 <xover_> *SQL is Evil™?
10:54:25 <rmccue|mibbit> The template casts it to a string though, so shouldn't it work?
10:54:41 <xover_> Haven't you learned to ignore me entirely yet? :-)
10:54:53 <rmccue|mibbit> Not quite :P
10:55:08 <xover_> Consider this a valuable life lesson then.
10:55:26 <rmccue|mibbit> Wow, mibbit smilies look like they are mentally retarded.
10:56:00 <xover_> We're using “Æstethically Challenged” now.
10:56:09 <rmccue|mibbit> Nice.
10:56:17 <rmccue|mibbit> Wait, this doesn't work either: phenny.say("Hello!")
10:56:20 <xover_> Hmm. Maybe “Differently Æsthetic” would be better?
10:56:52 <xover_> Are you missing a channel argument or something perhaps?
10:57:00 <rmccue|mibbit> I'm guessing this is because the command is JOIN, so it doesn't know where to send it to
10:57:09 <rmccue|mibbit> How do I specify a channel?
10:58:20 <rmccue|mibbit> Oh wait, nvm.
10:58:29 <rmccue|mibbit> It was acting on it's own join
11:01:22 <rmccue|mibbit> Okay, all working good now.
11:01:37 <rmccue|mibbit> One last question: how do I use the admin.py module?
11:02:03 <rmccue|mibbit> Is it still loaded?
11:04:04 <rmccue|mibbit> (FYI, I'm still here as rmccue, but I'm switching computers)
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11:06:21 * rmccue wonders why ping no longer works
11:07:18 <rmccue> phenny: ping
11:11:07 <xover_> phenny!
11:11:08 <phenny> xover_!
11:11:27 <rmccue> Yeah, I noticed that one.
11:11:46 <xover_> It's the replacement; 'ping' has been discontinued.
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11:12:02 <rmccue> Ah.
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11:25:35 <cre8radix> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-cat-eats-pain-for-breakfast.jpg
11:33:13 <rmccue> I bricked phenny.
11:33:21 <rmccue> (Not this one)
11:33:42 <rmccue> We were having too much fun with translation and now he won't respond.
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11:59:37 <rmccue> What would the property of input be to get the command?
11:59:43 <rmccue> input.event?
11:59:50 <sbp> input.group(1) I think
12:00:43 <rmccue> Ah, thanks.
12:09:34 <tav> you can stay under my umbrella! ella! ella! ella!
12:15:18 <_bjoern> echo echo echo
12:22:28 <rmccue> I'm a bloke, I'm a yobbo and me best mate's name is Robbo.
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14:03:04 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's nsh-!
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14:05:50 <sbp> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320256312148 went for $560
14:05:59 <sbp> (“Philippe Through the Forest”)
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14:09:10 <sbp> hmm
14:09:11 <sbp> [[[
14:09:11 <sbp> Bob Dylan is at work on the second volume of his autobiography, his publishers Simon & Schuster have confirmed in the wake of his Pulitzer Prize citation this week.
14:09:11 <sbp> It is understood that Dylan is spending the seven week lay-off between the end of his last American tour and the start of his European tour in May to work on “Chronicles Volume Two”.
14:09:11 <sbp> No publication date has yet been announced, but there is speculation that it will appear before the end of the year.
14:09:14 <sbp> ]]]
14:09:18 <sbp> .head http://www.uncut.co.uk/news/bob_dylan/news/11394
14:09:20 <phenny> sbp: 200, text/html
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14:13:53 <Monty> welcome, nsh
14:21:22 <Arnia> Interesting feature... http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/trailermaker/view/7f0u9x
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14:33:44 <_bjoern> .weather edfm
14:33:46 <phenny> Scattered, 25℃, 1013mb, Light breeze 9km/h (5kt) (↑) - EDFM 16:20, 1420Z
14:35:33 <_bjoern> ooh http://pfalzstorch.de/seiten/neststandorte/bornheim/sat01.html
14:42:28 <Arnia> The storks have wiped out Paris I see
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15:09:01 <Monty> But what does BigJibby have to do with the price of fish?
15:09:20 <BigJibby> hush there Monty
15:09:21 <Monty> afternoon nslater
15:36:50 <chandler> I don't think nslater is here, Monty
15:36:53 <Monty> if (beer == hairspray) { FooBot holds OpenBSD coloured;}
15:57:41 <xover> .c 60 GB over 25 minutes
15:57:42 <phenny> (60 gigabytes) over (25 minutes) = 40.96 MBps
15:57:48 <xover> .c 60 GB over 20 minutes
15:57:49 <phenny> (60 gigabytes) over (20 minutes) = 51.2 MBps
15:58:10 <xover> .c 60 GB over 25 minutes in Mbps
15:58:11 <phenny> (60 GB) over (25 minutes) = 327.68 Mbps
15:58:17 <xover> .c 60 GB over 20 minutes in Mbps
15:58:18 <phenny> (60 GB) over (20 minutes) = 409.6 Mbps
16:00:16 <xover> tav: Carefull now. That one is hard to shake off!
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16:21:17 <tschaub> nslater: if you happen to be around, here's what I get when I try to set up phenny with func.event = "JOIN": http://dpaste.com/53934/
16:21:45 <nslater> tschaub: aah, yes, I have a work around
16:21:46 <phenny> nslater: 10:48Z <sbp> tell nslater someone reported a breakage on Windows, so: 17:64c71730473e 2008-05-31 Fix for Windows, and some more helpful error messages.
16:22:20 <nslater> phenny: tell sbp noted phenny upgrade, thx
16:22:20 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
16:22:20 <tschaub> where tellplus.py looks like http://dpaste.com/53935/
16:22:21 <Monty> Since a single organizing lexical structures reflects a dictionary is speculation that complaint.
16:22:34 <sbp> exc̈ellent
16:22:35 <phenny> sbp: 16:22Z <nslater> tell sbp noted phenny upgrade, thx
16:23:00 <nslater> tschaub: you have to do this: "phenny.bot.msg(input.bytes, 'msg')"
16:23:17 <nslater> tschaub: I think this could be considered a bug with phenny, but hey ho, this works
16:23:31 <tschaub> cool, thanks, I'll try that
16:23:43 <sbp> it is a bug
16:23:44 <sbp> noted
16:23:53 <nslater> exc̈ellent
16:23:59 <sbp> ㋡
16:24:02 <nslater> :o
16:25:49 <tschaub> works well nslater - thanks
16:25:56 * _bjoern ponders playing with the evil http://search.cpan.org/~ingy/pQuery-0.07/lib/pQuery.pm
16:25:57 <nslater> np
16:26:04 <_bjoern> yp
16:26:09 <nslater> nu
16:26:17 <_bjoern> yi
16:26:20 <nslater> .yi
16:26:21 <phenny> Not yet...
16:26:23 <nslater> :(
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16:39:59 <tschaub> maybe this was naive - thought I could kick out tell reminders with something like http://dpaste.com/53940/
16:40:55 <nslater> you know, you could improve that a little...
16:41:29 <_bjoern> disturbing http://silverlight.net/blogs/jesseliberty/WindowsLiveWriter/TwentyFiveYears_8089/WordGates_2.jpg
16:41:32 <nslater> tschaub: http://dpaste.com/53943/
16:41:44 <nslater> old, but still disturbing
16:42:31 <tschaub> sure nslater - the bot.msg line was just to confirm that something was happening
16:42:40 <tschaub> the trouble is in tell http://dpaste.com/53942/
16:42:53 <nslater> oh sure, I was just removing a line and using string interpolation, which is nicer :)
16:43:24 <tschaub> yeah, input.sender was None as well
16:44:21 <_bjoern> .wik .ph
16:44:22 <phenny> ".ph is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the Philippines." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ph
16:44:30 <tschaub> and I didn't poke around enough to know why str(input) was the channel, but it worked
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16:44:45 <nslater> have you tried setting phenny.sender to phenny.sender = input.bytes before passing to tell?
16:45:02 <nslater> hmm...
16:45:57 <_bjoern> just saw an example.ph domain name which is kinda unusual...
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17:00:21 <_bjoern> browsers should allow specification of default xslt files for each xml mime type
17:00:51 <_bjoern> or just let us run some script if they encounter unknown xml
17:02:39 <kpreid> [13:02] ChanServ left the chat room. (Nick collision from services.)
17:02:44 <kpreid> how amusing
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17:09:19 <sbp> kpreid: it'd be even more amusing if it happened to NickServ
17:09:33 <kpreid> how do you know it isn't?
17:09:42 <kpreid> er, wasn't
17:09:53 <kpreid> NickServ doesn't hang around in channels
17:10:25 <sbp> that is one of the reasons it would be more amusing
17:10:35 <sbp> the other is that NickServ handles the collisions, so it would be impossible
17:10:41 <sbp> DOUBLY IMPOSSIBLE
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17:10:53 <kpreid> hm, nickserv *was* doing it: I got lots of 'This nickname is registered' etc
17:11:04 <kpreid> so rebootingish
17:11:15 <kpreid> also nick-collision isn't *always* handled by NickServ itself:
17:11:26 <kpreid> [13:02] ChanServ left the chat room. (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision))
17:11:50 <sbp> oho
17:13:27 <sbp> you know what we need?
17:13:30 <sbp> superheroes
17:13:35 <sbp> Swhack doesn't have enough superheroes
17:13:41 <sbp> like, we have lots of supervillains
17:13:45 <sbp> e.g. nslater and Monty
17:13:53 <sbp> but where are our superheroes?
17:13:57 <sbp> I suggest we make some up
17:14:15 <sbp> I was thinking about Spork Man, and his sidekick Pastrami Girl
17:14:23 <sbp> but it's gotta be cooler than that
17:14:28 <sbp> like... Super Spork Man
17:14:32 <sbp> Amusing Spork Incident Man
17:14:35 <sbp> Amusing Spork Incident Man from Mars
17:14:40 <sbp> The Amusing Spork Incident Man from Mars
17:15:11 <sbp> that's not superheroish enough now
17:15:19 <sbp> Amusing Spork Incident Man is good
17:17:14 <sbp> ...sigh
17:17:36 <sbp> YEAH
17:27:48 <sbp> "In what could cause an escalation of tensions between the two internet giants, an anonymous critique of eBay's upcoming move to accepting only PayPal as the payment method in Australia has accidently been revealed to have been submitted by Google thanks to PDF meta-tags."
17:27:53 <sbp> - http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/05/31/1452238.shtml
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17:31:46 <_bjoern> .c 24174 in hex
17:31:47 <phenny> 24 174 = 0x5E6E
17:34:32 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7429046.stm
17:34:33 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | England | Hampshire | Schoolboy first to 'name' iceberg
17:37:50 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/7421051.stm
17:37:55 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | England | Northamptonshire | Rare Elizabeth I portrait found
17:41:07 <sbp> 18:40 -dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all, we've had some maintenence going on with one of our sponsors. We also found a small problem with services that we're in the process of working on. Thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!
17:41:19 <sbp> .tock
17:41:43 <phenny> "Sat, 31 May 2008 17:41:41 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
17:41:58 <sbp> that's not all that helpful...
17:41:59 <sbp> .tock
17:42:00 <phenny> "Sat, 31 May 2008 17:41:59 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
17:42:02 <sbp> better
17:42:48 * nslater notices his swhack sense tingling
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17:53:30 <sbp> .ety month
17:53:31 <phenny> "O.E. monað, from P.Gmc. *mænoth- (O.N. manaðr, M.Du. manet, Du. maand, O.H.G. manod, Ger. Monat, Goth. menoþs 'month'), related to *mænon- 'moon' (see moon)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=month
17:53:42 <sbp> .ety year
17:53:43 <phenny> "O.E. gear (W.Saxon), ger (Anglian) 'year,' from P.Gmc. *jæram 'year' (cf. O.S., O.H.G. jar, O.N. ar, Dan. aar, O.Fris. ger, Du. jaar, Ger. Jahr, Goth. jer 'year'), from PIE *yer-o-, from base *yer-/*yor- 'year, season' (cf. Avestan yare (nom. sing.) 'year;' Gk. hora [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=year
17:53:46 <sbp> .ety week
17:53:47 <phenny> "O.E. wice, from P.Gmc. *wikon (cf. O.N. vika, O.Fris. wike, M.Du. weke, O.H.G. wecha, Ger. woche), probably originally with the sense of 'a turning' or 'succession' (cf. Goth. wikon 'in the course of,' O.N. vika 'sea-mile,' originally 'change of oar,' O.E. wican [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=week
18:32:27 <nslater> .g looks like a horse
18:32:28 <phenny> nslater: http://www.sarahjessicaparkerlookslikeahorse.com/
18:32:36 <nslater> .title
18:32:37 <phenny> nslater: Sarah Jessica Parker Looks Like A Horse
18:56:45 <xover> .gc site:en.wikipedia.org stated
18:56:46 <phenny> site:en.wikipedia.org stated: 126,000
18:56:57 <xover> Sounds about right. FOr one article.
18:57:45 <_bjoern> .title http://www.microsoft.com/Office/clippy/
18:57:45 <phenny> _bjoern: We’re sorry, the page you requested could not be found
19:03:36 <xover> Kurosawa's «Rashomon» is interesting.
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19:04:56 <xover> The mere technical artifacts of it being made in 1950 are quite annoying the first few minutes, but then they more or less disappear completely.
19:06:49 <xover> The soundtrack (music, envoronmental, voices, etc.) sounds like an Old Movie, but a lot more like western cinema of the era than I expected.
19:06:53 <_bjoern> phenny, "가장 중요한 건 눈에 보이지 않는다는 거야... ^^*"?
19:06:57 <phenny> _bjoern: "The most important thing is not invisible. ... ^ ^ *" (ko to en, translate.google.com)
19:07:53 <xover> The characters are somewhat over the top, even taking into account the fact that Kurosawa probably deliberately intended for them to be over the top.
19:10:16 <xover> The three main characters' actors (Toshirō Mifune as the Bandit, Masayuki Mori as the Samurai, and Machiko Kyō as the Wife) are all excellent and versatile.
19:11:11 <xover> Particularly considering the constraints of their medium, the story (which is from an earlier novel), and Kurosawa's direction.
19:12:09 <xover> Machiko Kyō's skills are also, I think, very much under-appreciated in this movie.
19:13:46 <sbp> agreed
19:15:29 <xover> The biggest drawback… drawbacks… are the way the characters, in the four different points of view, _don't_ completely change personality and motivation — since the characters are all surprisingly complex and multi-dimensional (with the possible exception of the Samurai) — and the complete absence of logic in the alternate views' story.
19:15:59 <sbp> .wik Machiko Kyō
19:16:00 <phenny> "Machiko Kyō (京マチ子 Kyō Machiko) (born March 25, 1924 in Osaka) is a legendary Japanese actress whose film work occurred primarily during the 1950s." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiko_Kyō
19:16:05 <xover> (I didn't particularly care for Masayuki Mori's performance)
19:16:15 <xover> (but I'll grant he had little to work with)
19:17:06 <xover> I just couldn't find any thread between the differing stories, and the character whose point of view they represented.
19:17:22 <xover> Which may, of course, just be because Kurosawa's too subtle for me.
19:18:33 <xover> That the Norwegian translation for the subtitles of the copy I watched were atrocious didn't help either.
19:19:12 <xover> I mean, I don't speak a word of Japanese, but even I could spot the piss poor translation.
19:20:03 <xover> All in all I enjoyed it far more than I expected, and disliked it far less than I feared from all its artsy hype.
19:20:51 <xover> (I had the good fortune of watching Citizen Kane before half the pretentious little shit film students of the world could tell me how genious it was, and hence didn't hate it)
19:21:25 <xover> Note to Self: Buy the DVD version of Citizen Kane; you'll never get around to ripping your VHS copy.
19:22:40 <xover> Next up, is, I think, Yojimbo.
19:23:10 <xover> Supplemented with Last Man Standing, just for the hell of it.
19:24:07 <xover> And then Seven Samurai and the Dollars Trilogy, which I'm really looking forward to.
19:29:11 <_bjoern> which http response headers must be included in every response?
19:29:27 <_bjoern> (assume the response has no body)
19:30:39 <xover> 0.9, 1.0, 1.1? In any case I suspect the answer is fairly close to, if not exactly, 0.
19:30:43 <_bjoern> 1.1
19:30:59 <_bjoern> assume further a keep-alive connection
19:31:21 <xover> Hmm.
19:31:26 <sbp> I'd ask *you*
19:31:32 <xover> Yeah. :-)
19:31:46 <xover> loggy: pointer?
19:31:46 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-05-31#T19-31-46
19:32:15 <xover> phenny: ask _bjoern <http://swhack.com/logs/2008-05-31#T19-31-46>?
19:32:15 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when _bjoern is around.
19:33:22 <_bjoern> [[[
19:33:23 <phenny> _bjoern: 19:32Z <xover> ask _bjoern <http://swhack.com/logs/2008-05-31#T19-31-46>?
19:33:26 <_bjoern> If the OPTIONS request includes an entity-body (as indicated by the
19:33:26 <_bjoern> presence of Content-Length or Transfer-Encoding), then the media type
19:33:26 <_bjoern> MUST be indicated by a Content-Type field.
19:33:27 <_bjoern> ...
19:33:33 <_bjoern> future extensions to HTTP. Content negotiation MAY be used to select
19:33:33 <_bjoern> the appropriate response format. If no response body is included, the
19:33:33 <_bjoern> response MUST include a Content-Length field with a field-value of
19:33:33 <_bjoern> "0".
19:33:34 <_bjoern> ]]]
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19:34:23 <sbp> [[[
19:34:25 <sbp> If a cache receives a value larger than the largest positive
19:34:25 <sbp> integer it can represent, or if any of its age calculations
19:34:25 <sbp> overflows, it MUST transmit an Age header with a value of
19:34:25 <sbp> 2147483648 (2^31).
19:34:26 <sbp> ]]]
19:35:24 <sbp> _bjoern: presumably we're also talking about 200 responses only?
19:35:36 <_bjoern> oooh
19:35:46 <_bjoern> I thought both parts are talking about responses
19:35:54 <_bjoern> but it's requests actually
19:35:57 <_bjoern> in the first para
19:36:10 <_bjoern> because responses either cannot have one or do have one
19:36:30 <_bjoern> still odd
19:36:46 <sbp> [[[
19:36:47 <sbp> HTTP/1.1 applications that do not support persistent connections MUST
19:36:47 <sbp> include the "close" connection option in every message.
19:36:53 <sbp> ]]] - seems pertinent
19:37:10 <sbp> though I guess by assuming keep-alive you meant that the server supports it
19:37:15 <_bjoern> yes
19:37:16 <sbp> not just that the client requests it
19:37:28 <xover> Hmm. I'm thinking client-only there...
19:37:31 <_bjoern> I mean both server and client can and want to keep the connection open
19:38:20 <_bjoern> Still 'If no response body is included, the response MUST include a Content-Length field with a field-value of "0".' is odd because you could also use chunked encoding and transmit no data...
19:38:30 <sbp> [[[
19:38:30 <sbp> Origin servers MUST include a Date header field in all responses,
19:38:31 <sbp> except in these cases:
19:38:31 <sbp> ]]]
19:38:49 <sbp> the only case which applies here is if the server clock blows
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19:39:08 <Monty> hi jsled, how ya doing?
19:39:11 <Monty> it's shoulson_!
19:39:11 <Monty> hi cskaterun
19:39:14 <Monty> it's jeffarch!
19:39:14 <Monty> hi plum
19:39:18 <Monty> Thank goodness, lordi is back!
19:39:18 <Monty> hey tobbez
19:39:18 <Monty> But what does chandler` have to do with the price of fish?
19:39:18 <plum> i don't really know monty except he said hi when i first went into #swhack, it could handle it.
19:39:22 <Monty> lo sr
19:39:22 <Monty> welcome, earle
19:39:25 <Monty> hey deltab
19:39:29 <Monty> just removing a theorist to this would be regarded as a bug with 1, any symbols that theories of human lexical structures reflects a cell of plank for example, asked English- 1
19:39:36 <cskaterun> silly monty
19:39:38 <Monty> SpiceKitty says dict
19:39:52 <_bjoern> I wonder whether, for the purposes of that requirement, one uri space may be supported by many servers
19:40:14 <_bjoern> so that you can get away with no date for a specific uri, but don't behave as per 14.18.1 anywhere else.
19:40:55 <xover> I think those exceptions makes Date effectively optional.
19:42:17 <sbp> _bjoern: the client has no way of knowing that I can think of
19:42:21 <sbp> so I guess so
19:44:30 <_bjoern> Yeah you can't test it without looking at the source. But if you can look at the source...
19:45:45 <_bjoern> So, so far we've got transfer-encoding or content-length if the response can have a body.
19:45:57 <_bjoern> I guess that's it then.
19:46:02 <_bjoern> for my case anyway.
19:46:14 <xover> Hmm. No, Connection isn't client-only; but the MUST for "close" is only for apps not supporting persistent connections. If you support them but don't care, Connection is optional.
19:46:18 <sbp> what is your case?
19:46:47 <sbp> as if we'd let you get away with being mysteriously intriguing without interrogation
19:46:59 <_bjoern> Well what I described, c/s are 1.1, want to keep conn alive, response can have body but body is zero-length
19:47:31 <_bjoern> the default is to keep the connection alive, only closing or other control requires headers
19:47:38 <xover> right
19:48:14 <_bjoern> reason-phrase can be empty, but the preceding space is required
19:48:24 <_bjoern> (not talking headers anymore)
19:49:18 <xover> Transfer-Encoding is required anywhere?
19:49:50 <_bjoern> to keep the connection open the client needs to know how long the response is
19:50:07 <_bjoern> you need content-length OR transfer-encoding: chunked for that
19:50:26 <_bjoern> if neither is specified, the client reads until the server closes the connection
19:50:26 <xover> ah
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20:05:37 <nslater> "Conformance checkers must use the information given on the WHATWG Wiki RelExtensions page to establish if a value not explicitly defined in this specification is allowed or not. When an author uses a new type not defined by either this specification or the Wiki page, conformance checkers should offer to add the value to the Wiki, with the details described above, with the "proposal" status." - ...
20:05:43 <nslater> ... http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-links.html#linkTypes
20:06:02 * nslater balks
20:06:05 <_bjoern> based on the sounds outside I would say we beat some poor euro2008 peoples
20:06:41 <_bjoern> oh no just our last euro2008 prep game
20:07:59 <_bjoern> Serbia! Take this pwnage as payback for eurovision.
20:08:23 <_bjoern> we won 2:1 (0:1) apparently.
20:09:14 <sbp> neato: http://beowulf.engl.uky.edu/~kiernan/ENG620/percyfolio.htm
20:09:58 <sbp> ;
20:11:19 <sbp> nslater: funny, innit?
20:11:44 <nslater> no, it's depressing
20:16:35 <_bjoern> Perhaps that is why it says that.
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20:46:06 <nslater> "<meta http-equiv='X-UA-Compatible' content='YOUR MOM'>" - http://tomayko.com/ (view source)
20:46:25 <nslater> .gc naeblis
20:46:26 <phenny> naeblis: 17,200
21:00:56 <zachb> nslater: awesome
21:02:32 <_bjoern> phun http://www.topology.org/src/bwshare/README.html
21:03:09 <thelsdj> "Jim Darkmagic, of the New Hampshire Darkmagics" "Jim? is that short for anything?" "Jimmy." - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20080530&authentic=true
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21:28:22 <Monty> it's jeffarch_!
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22:34:48 <zachb> Anyone have Safari and would be willing to tell me what's causing WebKit to hate my page?
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22:43:04 <Monty> lo jsled
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22:43:26 <Monty> bah, it's BigJibby_ again
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22:49:03 <_bjoern> .c 86 + 74
22:49:06 <phenny> 86 + 74 = 160
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