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00:11:48 * Arnia cries at the bill
00:11:51 <Arnia> damnit
00:12:18 <nslater> phenny: tell sbp http://www.theonion.com/content/video/breaking_news_all_online_data
00:12:19 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
00:18:10 <Arnia> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/06/11/steve_jobs_its_time_we_design_our_own_iphone_and_ipod_chips.html
00:18:11 <Arnia> hm
00:20:50 <_bjoern> I like http://imagec08.247realmedia.com/RealMedia/ads/Creatives/TheOnion/Onion_House_Onion_300x250/Store_DH_300x250atlasBr_0508.jpg
00:28:10 <jsled> "Right now for example, I have 231 tabs open in 36 windows (I've been working on a counting extension which I should be releasing soon)." - http://randomfoo.net/blog/id/4185
00:33:45 <_bjoern> I used to have 100+ internet explorers open back when I had dialup internet, but that sounds a bit insane even by my standards.
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01:18:11 <Monty> But what does no have to do with the price of fish?
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01:42:09 <zachb> Wow... what a pussy
01:42:15 <zachb> I have that many tabs in 1 window
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03:18:05 <Arnia> http://gizmodo.com/5015600/european-bastards-to-get-free-iphone-and-great-monthly-plans
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03:51:37 <arthus> how does one change the command character for phenny?
03:51:47 <jsled> hee. http://hingos.com/patches/index.php?pt=080611
03:52:06 <jsled> phenny: what is your command characterR?
03:52:25 <jsled> arthus: another vermonter?
03:52:44 <arthus> jsled: lol.. yes. how'd you know?
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03:53:11 <arthus> jsled: ah :)
03:53:30 <jsled> well, http://uvm.org/vague/ if you're not aware already. Meeting next week!
03:53:36 <jsled> (tour of the UVM datacenter)
03:53:55 <jsled> Also, #vague on this irc network, but it gets basically no traffic.
03:54:12 <arthus> jsled: cool! thanks. always nice to see interesting stuff in the green mountains
03:54:16 <jsled> word.
03:54:49 <jsled> I don't know phenny too well. It's author is in the UK, so maybe check back in the am.
03:54:59 <jsled> s/It's/Its/
03:55:10 <arthus> jsled: thanks. will do if I can't fix it by then
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05:36:07 <xover> .t AEST
05:36:07 <phenny> Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:36:07 AEST
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05:45:40 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's dmiles_afk!
05:50:50 <xover> .c 499 EUR in NOK
05:50:51 <phenny> 499 Euros = 3 965.50384 Norwegian kroner
05:51:04 <xover> .c 569 EUR in NOK
05:51:05 <phenny> 569 Euros = 4 521.78694 Norwegian kroner
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06:05:04 <xover> Wow, the Norwegian IT press is like a charicature of Apple Bashers Worldwide.
06:05:45 <xover> On reporting that the revenue sharing model is out for the iPhone, the headline they choose is “Apple Gets Less Greedy!”.
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07:02:38 <michaeltwofish> hi #swhack. I'm playing around with phenny. Can I change the command character through the config?
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08:30:47 <Monty> lo cre8radix
08:31:18 <cre8radix> lo Monty
08:31:20 <Monty> I reckon poetry + rust = Whomp's Fortress...?
08:31:45 <cre8radix> do you feel strongly about discussing such things, monty?
08:31:46 <Monty> #freenode
08:33:29 <cre8radix> moin:zen
08:34:43 <sbp> spam subject: "Update your Penis"
08:34:43 <phenny> sbp: 11 Jun 22:19Z <_bjoern> tell sbp http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jun/0169.html (there is ??? now it seems).
08:34:45 <phenny> sbp: 11 Jun 23:50Z <nslater> tell sbp http://www.theonion.com/content/video/warcraft_sequel_lets_gamers_play
08:34:46 <phenny> sbp: 00:12Z <nslater> tell sbp http://www.theonion.com/content/video/breaking_news_all_online_data
08:34:53 <sbp> it's one of those rarest of things today
08:34:57 <sbp> a cool, and indeed breezy, summer's day!
08:35:07 <sbp> on which note, salacious anecdote time!
08:35:24 <sbp> there was a lady today who was attending to a task and showed perhaps more of her breasts than she had intended to
08:36:04 <sbp> and it reminded me of an occasion, years ago, when I was at a postgraduate society meeting, which is less boring than it sounds because there were so many international students
08:36:15 <sbp> and I was talking to some Swiss girl, in the usual noisy environment
08:36:27 <sbp> I don't know why meetings of things are always held in places where nobody can hear...
08:36:42 <cre8radix> moin:zen
08:36:44 <sbp> and we couldn't hear one another, so she leans forward quite a way
08:36:52 <sbp> yo cre8radix
08:36:54 <cre8radix> sbp
08:36:57 <sbp> and her top just flips open
08:37:02 <cre8radix> yeah!
08:37:20 <sbp> and I'm like, woah. major faux pas, and expect her to move back immediately
08:37:28 <sbp> but she doesn't! if anything, she leans forwards *even more*
08:37:56 <sbp> and like a small portion of the mind in that situation talks about electroscopy or whatever the subject is, but the most part is going "Swiss boobies!"
08:38:28 <sbp>16:06:04 *** loggy (n=loggy@65.23.155.167) has joined #swhack
16:06:04 <simmons.freenode.net> Topic for #swhack is: <Monty> lack of intelligence clears up crayons!
16:06:04 <simmons.freenode.net> Users on #swhack: loggy JibberJim nsh BigJibby MacTed chris2 bjoern_ lorvax Arnia kpreid Arn1a jeffarch Enki-2 idickinson cre8radix libby Talliesin andersfeder darobin chandler` xover tro bancus Morbus dmiles_afk shepazu sbp l3w1s nelix aspect tobbez Jonashdsf CaptSolo deltab n5h clsn thelsdj Xanthor[aw] zachb jsled ido Mike_L chandler Tene phenny edsu procto dahut Louie` lisppaste2 xavier radii nslater earle plum sr maxkelley melbel wrldpc cherry Jibbler
16:06:04 <simmons.freenode.net> Users on #swhack: Monty trotek JibbyBot swhacker
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16:06:32 <Monty> howdy, mahound_
16:06:40 <sbp> so nslater could have mentioned cameltoe.html without [off] after all
16:16:45 <nslater> wat
16:16:48 <nslater> .title http://www.oneplusyou.com/q/v/space_vacuum
16:16:49 <phenny> nslater: How long could you survive in the vacuum of space?
16:16:59 <nslater> fun :)
16:24:34 <sbp> Croatia are beating Germany
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16:27:46 <bjoern_> you wish.
16:28:04 <sbp> CRO 1-0 GER
16:28:38 <bjoern_> I know...
16:28:54 <sbp> is this not eminent beatery?
16:29:04 <bjoern_> It'll end grand prix style with croatia null points.
16:29:09 <sbp> hehe
16:29:21 <sbp> that is quite possibly
16:29:26 <sbp> possible too
16:29:38 <sbp> German defence will have to get its act together though
16:30:02 <bjoern_> It might also be a trixx like with the Wunder von Bern.
16:30:06 <sbp> ooh, almost another goal
16:30:42 * sbp could've sworn he looked up Wunder von Bern before...
16:30:57 <sbp> oh yes, I did
16:31:20 <bjoern_> I knew you'd look it up again
16:31:42 <sbp> you'll probably be able to foöl me once more too
16:32:06 <bjoern_> low probability though, almost certainly not two more times.
16:33:21 <sbp> nearly a German goal there
16:33:38 <sbp> pinball a few yards from the line for ages
16:36:01 <sbp> 17:29 <stick397> hi guys
16:36:01 <sbp> 17:29 <stick397> is this place for gcses
16:36:10 <sbp> - asking all the hard questions in #svg
16:36:18 <nslater> ha
16:37:09 <nslater> n5h: please avoid the poo-throwing monkeys
16:37:10 <n5h> what? yuo cnat dncae whti slamons, slly. rofl.
16:37:27 <sbp> it was silly of you to even think that you could, nslater
16:37:33 <nslater> :(
16:37:38 <sbp> srs bsns
16:37:43 <nslater> rly srs
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16:51:17 <sbp> that lady has a puppet for a belly
16:56:11 <nslater> ν
16:56:57 <sbp> ν!
16:58:10 <nsh> n5h, to live outside the door, you must be abmonished
16:58:10 <n5h> yes.
16:58:26 <nsh> n5h, but with a d
16:58:27 <n5h> nah.
16:58:35 <nsh> n5h, aight, your call mang
16:58:36 <n5h> hmm. oh.
16:58:46 <nsh> n5h, monosyllabic motherfucker
16:58:47 <n5h> the fátimíya súfí order is an evolutionary tax. like getting the government to take it easy, post-birthday boy. twe.
16:59:06 * nsh smiles
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16:59:12 <Monty> it's mahound!
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16:59:51 <nsh> n5h, An exuberantly up-tempo number, "Sweet Marie" is full of diverse, often hardly disguised sexual imagery.
16:59:52 <n5h> to irritate.]. _/rather.\_. arnia, do you think the french are responsible for that one eats to live, or lives to eat?
17:00:55 <sbp> n5h: Absolutely Sweet Marie?
17:00:56 <n5h> :-). capital.
17:00:59 <sbp> agreed
17:02:05 <nsh> n5h, what *can* you do with salmons?
17:02:06 <n5h> ah, maybe not.
17:02:24 <nsh> n5h, maybe not what?
17:02:25 <n5h> but i've little history or economics :-). ah.
17:02:54 <sbp> n5h: what do you want to be when you grow up?
17:02:55 <n5h> :-). is there a storm on gb-side? my friends are worried the world from the right chunk of ice that fell from the vocab. ok. has anyone ever seen an explicit connection made between the roles of president and chancellor can become quite complicated.
17:03:41 <nslater> n5h is the most win bot i've made yet :)
17:03:41 <n5h> i invent new forms of grammar any time i did that. anon! sbp.
17:03:59 <nsh> you do, you do. n5h
17:04:00 <n5h> okai!
17:05:43 <nsh> hmm
17:05:50 <nsh> i think i have a solution to the world's problems
17:05:59 <nslater> n5h for world president?
17:06:00 <n5h> phenny, " lieber hass als gespielte liebe? ah.
17:06:04 <sbp> if it's boobnog, I'm way ahead of you...
17:06:11 <nslater> woah, boobnog
17:06:12 <nsh> well, that too
17:06:16 <bjoern_> still 0:1
17:06:17 <nsh> in fact, mostly that
17:06:28 <nslater> sbp: pix?
17:06:29 <nsh> but also, everyone who works in marketing has to take turns breathing
17:06:35 <nsh> like, one at a time
17:06:43 <nsh> then they will naturally equalise to acceptable number
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17:18:33 <bjoern_> I think we scored
17:18:58 <bjoern_> They scored and we have croatians around here.
17:19:09 <sbp> yep, 2-0
17:19:28 <bjoern_> phenny, "Deutschlands Aufholjagd"?
17:19:29 <phenny> bjoern_: "Germany's catching up" (de to en, translate.google.com)
17:19:40 <bjoern_> was the live ticker header
17:19:49 <sbp> bwahaha
17:20:21 <bjoern_> (it still is on http://sport.ard.de/ but not for long i suppose)
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17:20:58 <sbp> (yep, hehe)
17:25:11 <bjoern_> fireworks
17:26:09 <bjoern_> unfounded ones apparently
17:27:09 <sbp> yep
17:29:12 <sbp> woah. that was close
17:30:33 <xover> .title http://www.collegehumor.com/tag:street-fighter-the-later-years
17:30:37 <phenny> xover: 'Street Fighter The Later Years' Stuff on CollegeHumor
17:30:40 <xover> Oh. My. God.
17:32:01 <sbp> if Germany come second, they'll play Portugal in the quarter finals
17:32:36 <bjoern_> and if we win?
17:32:49 <bjoern_> new title is
17:32:52 <bjoern_> phenny, de "Deutschland droht Debakel "?
17:32:53 <phenny> bjoern_: "Germany threatens debacle" (de to en, translate.google.com)
17:32:57 <bjoern_> haha
17:34:29 <mahound> bjoern_: you still got better odds than england...
17:35:05 <sbp> yeah, but nobody expected England to win
17:35:15 <mahound> true
17:35:17 <sbp> goal!
17:35:20 <sbp> 2-1!
17:35:21 <mahound> goal
17:35:23 <bjoern_> screams everywhere
17:35:33 <mahound> podolski
17:35:37 <bjoern_> explosives
17:35:47 <mahound> imported merchandise
17:36:46 <sbp> the commentator here said something like "For no other country in the world does the 'fat lady sings' idiom apply more than Germany."
17:37:15 <mahound> lol
17:37:44 <bjoern_> .wik It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings
17:37:44 <phenny> "It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings is a proverb, essentially meaning that one shouldn't assume the outcome of some activity (frequently a sports game) until it has actually finished." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_ain't_over_'til_the_fat_lady_sings
17:40:48 <bjoern_> phenny, de "Anschlusstreffer für Deutschland"?
17:40:49 <phenny> bjoern_: "Following matches for Germany" (de to en, translate.google.com)
17:41:01 <MacTed> .gcs "jive with" "jibe with"
17:41:01 <bjoern_> where match = goal...
17:41:03 <phenny> "jive with" (367,000), "jibe with" (219,000)
17:41:15 <MacTed> .wik jibe with
17:41:16 <phenny> "A jibe or gybe is a sailing maneuver where a sailing vessel turns its stern through the wind, such that the wind direction changes from one side of the boat to the other." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jibe
17:41:31 <MacTed> .gcs "jibe with" "gybe with"
17:41:35 <phenny> "jibe with" (219,000), "gybe with" (1,830)
17:41:57 <MacTed> .wik jive with
17:41:58 <phenny> "Hi-5 is a children's television program, based on the original Australian TV show." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-5_(American_kids'_band)
17:42:13 <MacTed> .wik "jive with"
17:42:14 <phenny> "Hi-5 is a children's television program, based on the original Australian TV show." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-5_(American_kids'_band)
17:44:46 <bjoern_> ~5min
17:45:24 <bjoern_> http://sport.ard.de/euro2008/news200806/12/img/bg_deutschland_kroatien/bg-bild02_512_dpa.jpg
17:45:56 <bjoern_> http://sport.ard.de/euro2008/news200806/12/img/bg_deutschland_kroatien/bg-bild04_512_dpa.jpg
17:47:18 <xover> This is fucking awsome!
17:48:11 <sbp> red card
17:48:11 <sbp> Schweinsteiger
17:48:23 <bjoern_> the street fighter thing xover?
17:48:27 <xover> yeah
17:48:59 <bjoern_> I watched one and was all in agreement with your earlier comment.
17:49:15 <sbp> three yellows too
17:50:25 <sbp> FT, 2-1!
17:50:43 <bjoern_> I'd like to watch the vid of the card event.
17:51:03 <sbp> he just pushed him, don't think he caught his face at all
17:53:29 <nslater> sbp: can i ask you an aesthetics question please?
17:53:57 <sbp> an æsthetics question? sure
17:53:58 <nslater> sbp: python script, pulling values from the environment at the top of the script, do you use UPPER_CASE for these?
17:54:21 <sbp> nope
17:54:31 <sbp> I only start a variable name with upper case if it's a class
17:54:31 <nslater> sbp: when would you use upper case?
17:54:38 <nslater> not even for constants?
17:54:41 <sbp> no
17:54:43 <nslater> wow
17:54:45 <nslater> thats weird
17:55:06 <sbp> python doesn't have the concept of a constant
17:55:15 <bjoern_> .gc "Please don't hate me because I'm a recruiter"
17:55:16 <phenny> "Please don't hate me because I'm a recruiter": 0
17:55:19 <nslater> yeah, but thats missing the point :)
17:55:42 <bjoern_> (perl in nyt recruitment spam)
17:55:50 <nslater> and anyway, python does kinda in so much as things can be immutable
17:55:55 <nslater> but this is a digression :)
17:56:09 <sbp> but the variable that points to the object can still be reassigned
17:56:33 <bjoern_> "Look if nothing else, we should stay in touch - you never know what the future holds in Perl, right?"
17:56:41 <nslater> yes, but thats no reason not to use some light convention to distinguish between uses or intended uses
17:58:24 <clsn> Maybe spell all constants the same way.
18:05:17 <sbp> phenny: "Deutschland unterliegt Kroatien"?
18:05:19 <phenny> sbp: "Germany is subject to Croatia" (de to en, translate.google.com)
18:05:45 <bjoern_> http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=unterliegen
18:06:17 <sbp> "to lose to a team [sport.]"
18:06:19 <sbp> STUPID GOOGLES
18:09:03 <xover> .title http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1819068
18:09:04 <phenny> xover: Guy Kicks Wall - CollegeHumor video
18:09:06 <xover> heh heh
18:21:55 <nslater> that would have REALLY hurt
18:21:56 <cre8radix> unterlegen=inferior
18:22:23 <cre8radix> as in opposite to superior
18:22:33 <nslater> .title http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1733379
18:22:35 <phenny> nslater: Prank Backfired - CollegeHumor video
18:22:36 <nslater> haha
18:24:19 <sbp> oh man
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18:48:49 <njero> phenny!@
18:48:50 <phenny> njero!
18:52:17 <nslater> n5h!
18:52:18 <n5h> aight. anyway, i thought that berserk came from and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation.
18:52:30 <xover> Arn1a!
18:52:33 <Arn1a> no... they're stubborn. side-effect of neural network can be explained simply by the way...
18:52:47 <nslater> cherry!
18:52:50 <cherry> any <link> to an earlier mail. nobody is forcing you to "ignore the whatwg charter starts off with an html5 stream. for example, on a popular ie implementation as well as based on feedback and experience from multiple vendors that give in to a uri like the w3c to deal with pi and e easily enough with graphics theory to know this and it makes it impossible to verify that all processors use the <abbr> element. it has issues.
18:52:52 <nslater> woah
18:53:17 <nslater> "it has issues"
18:54:13 <sbp> perhaps the output should have a maximum size
18:54:25 <njero> sbp!
18:54:41 <nslater> sbp, thats actually trickier than it sounds :)
18:54:42 <sbp> njero!
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18:54:57 <raxor> sbp!
18:55:03 <nslater> o_O
18:55:12 <sbp> raxor!
18:55:17 <nslater> brad!
18:55:18 <raxor> :)
18:55:30 <sbp> how's it hanging, mang?
18:55:30 <plum> jannet!
18:55:33 <mahound> my son!
18:55:38 <nslater> dr scott!
18:55:44 <sbp> Oswald!
18:55:54 <raxor> sbp: going great, I dropped in #svg the other day and missed you
18:55:56 <mahound> bicycle repairmain!
18:55:58 <mahound> you here?
18:56:07 <mahound> repairman
18:56:12 <raxor> sbp: hows things?
18:56:20 <sbp> ôdearz. welp I'm still in there
18:56:24 <sbp> but I don't pay as much attention as I should sometimes
18:56:24 <sbp> pretty good, thanks
18:56:30 * plum boinks mahound
18:56:34 <sbp> doing less technology bunk now
18:56:39 <sbp> NO MORE SEMANTIC WEB WHOO
18:56:44 * mahound drops a grand piano on nslater
18:56:45 <raxor> Ah. retired then?
18:57:06 <raxor> I like that most of the semweb people have stopped doing the semweb now that it is mainstreaming :)
18:57:12 <sbp> just doing other similar exciting things, yayvilles &c.
18:57:15 <nslater> maintreaming?
18:57:33 <sbp> and ting
18:57:43 <sbp> it's just useless is the main problem
18:57:49 * nslater smiles
18:57:52 <raxor> Well, now semweb stuff gets mentioned in the NYT and WSJ and such. sbp was my intro to the semweb in ~2000
18:57:54 <sbp> it's kinda like we were waiting for it to go mainstream
18:58:09 <sbp> and then it does ("does") and it's just laughable
18:58:16 <sbp> n3wayz, I gots to run
18:58:22 <raxor> cool l8
18:58:25 <nslater> bai2u sbp
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18:58:37 <njero> bye nslater
18:58:39 <njero> :D
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19:03:51 <procto> doop doop
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19:05:00 <procto> why helo thar pr0ct0
19:05:00 <pr0ct0> it won't obey zipf's. clsn: unless a cypher was used.
19:05:15 <nslater> is pr0ct0 a markov.py bot by any chance? :)
19:05:15 <pr0ct0> and in-your-seat dining/drinking service dinner and a tiny bit ashamed to admit i've never met, but imagine to be a bit perplexed but it ended up being hilarious yeah.
19:05:19 <procto> pr0ct0 is as insightful as always
19:05:20 <pr0ct0> plum: diss nslater (is that the cars are going the wrong way you may not be able to stick together monty: my apples are bursting with choleric krakovjac monty: accurate monty: no, that's my blog.
19:05:20 <Monty> name
19:05:22 <procto> nslater: indeed!
19:05:24 <nslater> wooot
19:05:25 <procto> nslater: thanks for it :>
19:05:27 <nslater> np
19:05:46 <procto> why did plum not diss nslater?
19:05:50 <procto> plum: diss someone?
19:05:52 <nslater> i turned off her speak module
19:05:56 <procto> oh
19:06:01 <nslater> i might put it back on
19:06:04 * bancus wonders what would happen if one fed Lojban into a markov bot.
19:06:09 <bancus> URL?
19:06:18 <nslater> .g bytesexual markov.py
19:06:19 <phenny> nslater: No results found for 'bytesexual markov.py'.
19:06:21 <nslater> .g bytesexual markov
19:06:22 <phenny> nslater: http://bytesexual.org/ephemera/irc/markov/
19:06:32 <bancus> 404
19:06:46 <bancus> It *is* ephemeral, I guess.
19:06:48 <nslater> hehe, im messing with my apache conf atm, so things are a bit bust
19:06:50 <nslater> tryL http://bytesexual.org/ephemera/irc/markov
19:07:01 <bancus> Ah, that works.
19:07:36 <nslater> .reload
19:07:37 <MacTed> sbp - check it out! an actual, real, live, in-use semantic web space! http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/EDF/
19:07:39 <MacTed> :-)
19:07:46 <nslater> .reload
19:07:49 <nslater> hmm
19:07:59 <nslater> plum: yo
19:08:03 <plum> hehe, yo give it up for da big and mc. it looks like it gets truncated hmm.
19:08:12 <cre8radix> hm...
19:08:13 <cre8radix> TypeError: object does not support item assignment (file "/opt/python/phenny/modules/search.py", line 61, in g)
19:08:15 <nslater> plum, flame procto
19:08:20 <plum> procto, the whole internet is an idiot. im not a director of the so foad. sigh, not that I expect you to understand.
19:08:38 *** nslater changed the topic to: "<plum> the whole internet is an idiot"
19:08:51 <cre8radix> two idiots - one thought
19:08:58 <cre8radix> :D
19:09:00 <procto> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/12/indonesia
19:09:02 <phenny> procto: John Vidal: The terrifying truth about Komodo dragons | Environment | The Guardian
19:09:06 <nslater> 2i1t
19:09:25 <procto> pr0ct0: flame plum
19:09:25 <pr0ct0> complex how? it seems straightfoward to me :> i see someone already registered dog.ma bancus: you're supposed to be taught by jackendoff but he was featured on ltu recently arnia: he probably meant us college that doesn't work )))) it just creates a new stitch for them to their sources and isolated a list of issues.
19:09:26 <procto> :>
19:09:29 <plum> plum, not ummm i'mma go get some water and shut up, plum you're an idiot. youre an idiot.
19:09:41 <nslater> procto: i think you need to bring the msg count down
19:09:52 <bancus> What's the size argument?
19:10:03 <procto> really? cause sometimes it produces really quite short messages
19:10:04 <procto> 3
19:10:05 <nslater> thats the max count of sentences to output
19:10:15 <nslater> pr0ct0
19:10:15 <pr0ct0> i'm visual-tactile compulsive )))) nsh with the bots? omg i am reveleaeddeded anyone know a dns serven i can design an experiment to distinguish just a slight bump in the 1700's http://ejohn.org/blog/processingjs/ processing ported to js sbp: i was done with it arnia: me.
19:10:15 <procto> I'll set it to 2
19:10:23 <nslater> ah, i know what it is then
19:10:34 <nslater> you know the file you're feeding it?
19:10:38 <bancus> Yeah.
19:10:43 <procto> nslater: yeah?
19:10:45 <nslater> ... do you have lots of sentences that dont end in a full stop or ! or ?
19:10:55 <bancus> It's Lojban.
19:10:56 <procto> most of them don't end with those.
19:11:01 <bancus> So, full stop doesn't mean what it means there.
19:11:03 <nslater> it recognises sentences endings using [,.!?]
19:11:11 <procto> oh, not \n?
19:11:11 <bancus> Can I configure that?
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19:11:14 <nslater> nope
19:11:22 <bancus> http://bytesexual.org/ephemera/irc/markov
19:11:24 <bancus> Er
19:11:26 <nslater> my advice right now is two fold:
19:11:27 <bancus> if word[-1] in (",", ".", "!", "?"):
19:11:31 <bancus> Not even if I change that?
19:11:40 <nslater> 1) preproces the file to add "." when there is no proper ending on a line
19:11:53 <nslater> 2) write a patch to do that at read-in time and send to me, kthx :)
19:11:58 <bancus> As I say, . means something else in Lojban.
19:12:05 <nslater> bancus: no, because the file is split and fed in as an array
19:12:06 <bancus> There are . all over the place.
19:12:10 <bancus> But it doesn't mean the same.
19:12:30 <bancus> The first four lines:
19:12:30 <bancus> no'i la .alis. co'a tatpi le nu zutse le rirxe korbi re'o le mensi gi'e
19:12:30 <bancus> zukte fi no da .i .a bu boi so'u roi sutra zgana le cukta poi le mensi cu
19:12:30 <bancus> tcidu .i ku'i cy. vasru no pixra ja nuncasnu .i lu ji'a ma prali sei la
19:12:30 <bancus> .alis. pensi fi lo cukta poi vasru no pixra ja nuncasnu li'u
19:12:31 <Monty> "you"
19:12:36 <nslater> bancus: well, you need to preprocess your input or make the markov stuff better :/
19:13:04 <bancus> I see.
19:13:25 <nslater> as an illustration, to make n5h i got a file of things nsh said in swhack and then added a "." on every line that didnt end in [,.!?]
19:13:26 <n5h> good night mumbles. ?? twe.
19:13:36 <nslater> otehrwise, you end up with really really long sentence output
19:13:36 <procto> nslater: I'm processing the file.
19:13:41 <nslater> k
19:14:13 <nslater> if you can think of a better way to split messages let me know, i was trying to keep it as simple as possible - i should probably add some documentation to that file in the form of comments or something
19:14:32 <procto> used this: s/\([^?!.]\)\n/\1.\r/g
19:14:41 <nslater> yeah
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19:15:00 <nslater> pr0ct0
19:15:00 <pr0ct0> the mid frontal vowel in quibble really does it only support a limited number of bearded men is entering the room. that's a bit better than norfolk. in massachusetts.
19:15:02 <procto> edqqq
19:15:03 <nslater> better
19:15:17 <nslater> pr0ct0!
19:15:17 <pr0ct0> i must admit. yes. well.
19:15:22 <nslater> pr0ct0, well what?
19:15:22 <pr0ct0> therethinker: gorgoyle was just boring as tell :>. i don't hane these problems :>.
19:15:52 <nslater> (notice the "un-natural" "." everywhere, again, still not sure what to do about that)
19:15:59 <nslater> n5h!
19:16:00 <n5h> nice. o'reilly never pay me for any rights. magnetifique! wtf. is gtd?
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19:17:09 <procto> pr0ct0:
19:17:10 <pr0ct0> sbp: because they will try to stick to the hebrew transliteration is atrocious. time to go eat breakfast. so this stuff: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7103566.stm.
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19:21:59 <procto> pr0ct0: moooo
19:21:59 <pr0ct0> i'm glad i found were very foreign to the "science world i've been using nltk for the meter markings. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/pr/meter.ann.html. no siree bob.
19:26:51 <cre8radix> .wik werner großmann
19:26:53 <phenny> "Werner Großmann (born 6 March 1929) is an East German former deputy leader of the Ministry for State Security (Stasi)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Grossmann
19:27:21 <MacTed> .title http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/garden/12puzzle.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
19:27:24 <phenny> MacTed: The New York Times > Log In
19:27:27 <MacTed> grrr
19:30:27 <MacTed> "Mystery on Fifth Avenue", a/k/a "What can I get for 1.2 megabucks?"
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19:47:43 <nslater> phenny: en fr "untitled"
19:48:34 <nslater> phenny: "nimetön"
19:48:40 <nslater> phenny!
19:48:40 <phenny> nslater!
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20:01:46 <nslater> how do you do substring matches with xpath?
20:02:23 <bjoern_> substring(...) = ...?
20:02:34 <bjoern_> contains(...)?
20:02:49 <bjoern_> Try http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath ...
20:03:07 <sbp> o hai
20:03:18 <nslater> hmm, i was seeing that i had to namespace the function calls, which got me all confused
20:03:39 <bjoern_> You don't have to prefix the core function in xpath 1/2.
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20:03:56 <nslater> hmmm
20:04:02 <bjoern_> While 2.0 specs all have fn:example(), the fn: is not necessary.
20:04:17 <bjoern_> If you have extension functions like those in EXSLT then you have to prefix them.
20:04:51 <nslater> damn, im still confused
20:05:21 <bjoern_> If you had formulated your problem properly, you wouldn't be anymore...
20:05:29 <sbp> nslater: it's like builtin functions in python
20:05:32 <nslater> ill formulate you if you're not careful
20:05:35 <sbp> you do open(...), right?
20:05:49 <nslater> it's actually how to do this in lxml that im pondering over
20:05:51 <nslater> see http://codespeak.net/lxml/xpathxslt.html
20:05:51 <Monty> android?
20:05:59 <sbp> but you can also do __builtins__.open(...)
20:06:13 <sbp> so the default namespace doesn't need to be declared
20:06:16 <nslater> sure
20:06:22 <nslater> so, it's like, im doing tree.xpath()
20:06:29 <sbp> whereas if you have something like os.blah(...)
20:06:57 <nslater> i have "/article/articleinfo/date" and i want the value of the last 5 characters of it's child text node
20:07:23 <bjoern_> that's substring() and string-length() and -
20:07:57 <sbp> -?
20:08:10 <bjoern_> yes
20:08:16 <bjoern_> as in, substring(/article/articleinfo/date, string-length(/article/articleinfo/date) - 5, 5)
20:08:30 <sbp> so where . is your text(), substring(string-length(.) - 5, string-length(.))?
20:08:43 <sbp> oh right
20:08:45 <nslater> hmm
20:08:50 <sbp> substring(., string-length(.) - 5, string-length(.))
20:09:02 <nslater> actually, i think ive found something else to use, one sec
20:09:05 <sbp> that, surely? rather than 5 as last argument? or is last argument number of chars to take?
20:09:21 <sbp> oh yeah, length
20:09:27 <sbp> stupid pile of BEEP
20:09:41 <bjoern_> you can omit the 3rd in his case
20:09:48 <bjoern_> as you want the rest
20:09:54 <sbp> substring(., string-length(.) - 5)
20:09:55 <sbp> delicious
20:10:17 <nslater> hmm
20:10:23 <nslater> im confused about your use of "."
20:10:32 <bjoern_> that's the context node
20:10:39 <sbp> yeah
20:10:43 <nslater> yes, but how is it selected, is what i meant
20:10:50 <bjoern_> of course selecting the node with xpath and doing the substring in your programming language would work too
20:11:07 <bjoern_> usually that's HERE.selectNodes(...)
20:12:42 <nslater> cool, got it
20:12:53 <nslater> the element looks like: <date>2008-06-12T20:59:25+00:09</date>
20:13:02 <nslater> I wanted to extract the TZ info, and I got it to work like this:
20:13:06 <nslater> substring-after(/article/articleinfo/pubdate/text(), '+')
20:13:20 <nslater> (ignore discrepancy between date/pubdate)
20:13:31 <bjoern_> what if it's -hh:mm?
20:13:37 <nslater> shit, haha
20:13:57 <nslater> actually, it will never be "-"
20:14:10 <bjoern_> famous last words.
20:14:30 <nslater> no, really, it's within a unit test, if it's "-" it should fail anyway
20:14:40 <bjoern_> You might want to find yourself a job in the Financial Services industry, they don't mind...
20:14:46 <nslater> as in, im testing for the value to be specifically "+00:09"
20:15:40 <nslater> hmm
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20:21:07 <nslater> this is better: substring(/article/articleinfo/pubdate/text(), 20)
20:21:19 <nslater> hmm...
20:21:31 <nslater> ... i am setting the TZ to Europe/Paris and it registeres as +00:09
20:21:35 <nslater> that doesnt seem right to me
20:22:43 <bjoern_> Paris is +02:00 in summer, +01:00 in winter.
20:23:29 <nslater> In [6]: pytz.timezone("Europe/Paris")
20:23:29 <nslater> Out[6]: <DstTzInfo 'Europe/Paris' PMT+0:09:00 STD>
20:23:31 <nslater> ... ?
20:23:38 <nslater> PMT?
20:23:44 <bjoern_> .wik PMT
20:23:45 <phenny> "Photomultiplier tube, an electronic component" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMT
20:24:22 <nslater> Paris Mean Time
20:24:25 <nslater> you have to be kidding me
20:25:01 <nslater> why the hell is pytz giving me back an offset in PMT
20:25:17 <bjoern_> .gc "Pierre and Miquelon Standard Time"
20:25:17 <phenny> "Pierre and Miquelon Standard Time": 51
20:32:51 <nslater> bjoern_: so, right now, it should be +02:00?
20:33:53 <nslater> hmm, i need to find a timezone that has a fixed offset, does anyone know of any?
20:34:03 <sbp> EST
20:34:16 <sbp> BST
20:34:20 <sbp> UTC
20:34:31 <sbp> CEST
20:34:39 <sbp> PDT
20:34:41 <nslater> UTC is +00:00 - right?
20:34:44 <sbp> yeah
20:34:49 <nslater> hmm
20:35:18 <nslater> what i really need is a timezone like Europe/Paris that corresponds to EST or what have you
20:35:31 * nslater trawls through google
20:35:52 <nslater> perhaps just Eastern
20:36:23 <nslater> pytz.UnknownTimeZoneError: 'Eastern'
20:36:25 <nslater> :(
20:36:44 <bjoern_> corresponds to est in which way?
20:37:14 <bjoern_> geographically having the same offset would be difficult.
20:37:23 <nslater> i want a timezone from the Olson timezone database such as Europe/London that isn't the same as UTC
20:37:29 <nslater> and that remains constant throughout the year
20:37:51 <nslater> US/Eastern perhaps
20:38:29 <nslater> seems to work, -04:00 atm
20:40:00 <bjoern_> Try Baghdad?
20:40:44 <MacTed> EST remains constant ... as does EDT ... it's just that we swap them
20:40:51 <nslater> swap them?
20:41:04 <MacTed> from Standard to Daylight
20:41:28 <nslater> gah, so will US/Eastern always be -04:00 or not?
20:41:30 <bjoern_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DaylightSaving-World-Subdivisions.png
20:42:06 <nslater> interesting...
20:42:58 <bjoern_> "Today's featured picture: A collage of six mustard images" - wp
20:43:10 <nslater> wow, slow photo day
20:44:22 <nslater> bjoern_: wicked, Asia/Tokyo seems to be fine, they dont use DST :)
20:44:31 <nslater> bjoern_: thanks for your help
20:46:42 * bjoern_ wonders if nslater explodes if he mentions Split Seconds to him...
20:46:54 <nslater> *splat*
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21:14:56 <nsh> .date
21:15:02 <nsh> .t
21:15:02 <phenny> Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:15:02 GMT
21:15:48 <bjoern_> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2111174/Intelligent-people-'less-likely-to-believe-in-God'.html
21:20:02 <cre8radix> hrhr
21:22:58 <nslater> [[[
21:23:00 <nslater> When they had to do bone grafts and realign my leg in 1995 and put screws and other hardware in my leg, it was supposed to take 9 - 12 weeks for the bones and grafts to heal. I was full weight bearing, walking on my leg in 3 weeks. I've seen other examples in friends as well, so how do you with your genius IQ mind explain that or does my genius IQ mind fully comprehend what yours can't process or you refuse to process. When someone can come up with ...
21:23:06 <nslater> ... a plausible answer other than mine and others prayers were answered, then maybe you can INTELLIGENTLY discuss what your pea brain refuses to acknowledge.
21:23:09 <nslater> ]]]
21:23:12 <nslater> n5h: you have a pea brain
21:23:13 <n5h> call me his "big bald brother from another mother. (when i had as a consultant for maxis "to assist with simple experimental protocols.
21:23:24 <nslater> k.
21:24:44 <nslater> [[[
21:24:56 <nslater> People claim to be clever, but most are just full of hot air, they have no true knowledge, just useless facts that they themselves doubt... so y'all get a pin and deflate your heads, and don't pull that sciency intellectual capacity stuff on me, you can't stump me, I know who I am...I don't question myself.
21:25:01 <nslater> ]]]
21:25:10 <nslater> ... I love comments on websites, though I suspect for the "wrong" reasons
21:28:41 <nslater> "I'm intelligent (MENSA member) and..." (instafail)
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21:48:45 <procto> MY IQ IS OVER 9,000 AND I KNOW JEEZUS LOVES AND GAVE ME BRAINS THANK YOU JEEZUS
21:48:58 * procto summarizes the majority of comments on the article
21:51:05 <nsh> .ety traipse
21:51:06 <phenny> "1593, of uncertain origin, perhaps from dialectal Fr. trepasser 'pass over or beyond,' from O.Fr. trespasser (see trespass)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=traipse
21:53:26 <jsled> .title http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365781,00.html
21:53:28 <phenny> jsled: FOXNews.com - Robert Mugabe Militia Hacks, Burns Alive Opposition Leader's Wife - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News
21:53:43 <nslater> wow
21:55:09 <nslater> "Inside the hut where his wife of 29 years died, women sang softly to a subdued drum beat next to the cheap wooden coffin. The thatched roof had been destroyed in the fire so they sat under the open sky. The lid could not be closed because Dadirai Chipiro’s outstretched arm had burnt rigid. Her charred hand was found as women swept the hut."
21:55:14 <nslater> wtf
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22:41:28 <phenny> Arnia_: 02 May 01:30Z <nslater> tell Arnia_ I don't know what he means w/r upper case names
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22:53:07 <nsh> .ety concomitant
22:53:08 <phenny> "1607, from Fr. concomitant, from L. concomitantem, prp. of concomitari 'accompany, attend,' from com- 'with, together' + comitari 'join as a companion,' from comes (gen. comitis) 'companion.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=concomitant
22:53:57 <bancus> Anyone know how to fully uninstall Adobe Creative Suite on Mac?
22:54:05 <bancus> Merely throwing away the apps does not appear to do it.
22:54:24 <nsh> nuke it from orbit?
22:54:28 <nsh> i hear it's the only way to be sure
22:55:59 * mahound drops an ACME anvil on Adobe Creative Suite
22:56:27 <mahound> hm... :/
22:56:28 <Arnia> Finally read http://www.berlinermauer.se/
22:56:55 <nsh> se, se ain't no country i ever heard of
22:57:00 <nsh> they write english in se?
22:57:17 <Arnia> Oh my goodness: http://www.berlinermauer.se/BerlinWall/losning.htm
22:57:20 <nsh> oh, it's berlin wall wife
22:58:04 <bancus> Apparently I needed to also trash the Adobe folder in Application Support.
22:58:17 <nsh> now that's some prime, surloin crazy
22:58:32 <nsh> A++ would encourage and provoke to new heights of insanity
23:01:40 <Arnia> They have a society: http://www.objectum-sexuality.org/
23:03:20 <nsh> that's hot
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23:26:02 <bjoern_> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/article1280450.ece
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23:31:24 <Arnia> Hm... the political editor of the Sun was on Question Time this evening
23:31:33 <Arnia> Didn't even know the Sun had a politics desk
23:32:45 <deltab> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_The_Sun_Wot_Won_It
23:34:14 <jsled> .title http://jwz.livejournal.com/899261.html
23:34:18 <phenny> jsled: jwz - Pandemonium
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23:59:22 <nsh> HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE
