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01:05:55 <_bjoern> phenny, tell xover I wouldn't mind less FAILs in http://cpantesters.perl.org/show/SGML-Parser-OpenSP.html#SGML-Parser-OpenSP-0.991 (they all either don't have OpenSP at all, or not the right version, as I recall). I am not sure really how to fix it. Investigate!?
01:05:55 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
01:05:56 <phenny> _bjoern: 14 Jun 19:15Z <sbp> ask _bjoern about earth things
01:06:08 <_bjoern> phenny, tell sbp YES, Earth Things.
01:06:09 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
01:07:47 <_bjoern> phenny, tell xover https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=724451 - then why doesn't the CODE menu list that? Should we admins do anything?
01:07:47 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
01:08:00 <_bjoern> I know xover pays even less attention than I do...
01:17:45 <Mike_L> zachb: 89*P99*45*+P99*39*+P99*39*+P99*56*+P67*2+P48*P99*2+P99*47*+P99*8+8+P99*39*+P99*39*+P48*P99*6+P99*56*+P98*67*+P99*39*+P55*4*P84*1+P --> "Hello, Small World!" but it's 130 chars
01:18:08 <_bjoern> That does not print Just Another Perl Hacker.
01:18:34 <Mike_L> _bjoern: http://www.hacker.org/hvm/
01:19:35 <_bjoern> Like I said...
01:21:43 <Enki-2> http://namcub.accela-labs.com/pics/hbsig.png
01:22:09 <Mike_L> Enki-2: what's that?
01:22:20 <Enki-2> Mike_L: something.
01:22:20 <Monty> stress
01:22:27 <Enki-2> it's safe for work
01:22:30 <Enki-2> don't worry
01:22:42 <Mike_L> Enki-2: I looked at it already. What does it mean?
01:23:10 <Enki-2> Mike_L: it's not what it means that matters. that's misleading anyway. it's what it does
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01:25:45 <Mike_L> Enki-2: ok?
01:26:08 <Mike_L> Enki-2: looks like heiroglyphics
01:26:40 <Enki-2> it's fulhart runes and cuneiform mostly, in terms of charsets used
01:27:03 <Enki-2> however, as i said, the meaning is not what matters -- it's the function
01:29:50 <Mike_L> zachb: 119 chars: 99*89*P0^45*+P0^39*+P0^39*+P0^56*+P67*2+P48*P0^2+P0^47*+P0^8+8+P0^39*+P0^39*+P48*P0^6+P0^56*+P98*67*+P39*+P55*4*P84*1+P
01:34:06 <zachb> Mike_L: I've done it in 93
01:34:14 <zachb> *92 :D
01:34:28 <Mike_L> 111: 99*89*P0^45*+P0^39*+0^PP0^56*+P67*2+P48*P0^2+P0^47*+P0^8+8+P0^39*+0^PP48*P0^6+P0^56*+P98*67*+P39*+P55*4*P84*1+P
01:34:46 <zachb> Having fun?
01:34:50 <Mike_L> yep :)
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01:41:57 <zachb> I will give you a prize if you can do it :P
01:44:08 <Enki-2> hm
01:46:34 <Mike_L> :)
01:51:54 <zachb> yours, you can cut off the first 99*, or at least move it
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02:07:26 <Mike_L> zachb: 100: 99*0^0^0^0^0^9-P45*+0^P7+0^P0^P3+P67*2+P48*P2+P47*+0^0^P43*-P1-0^PP48*P6+P65*+0^P3+0^P6-0^P8-P48*1+P
02:07:45 <zachb> :-)
02:08:05 <Mike_L> the solution space of this problem is enormous
02:12:59 <zachb> but you have to do it in 77 or under :P
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02:29:29 <zachb> 91!
02:30:49 <kpreid> Mike_L: what are those solutions to?
02:31:24 <zachb> Print "Hello, Small World!" in HackVM: http://www.hacker.org/hvm/ in 77 chars or less
02:32:06 <kpreid> ah.
02:32:31 <zachb> I've done it in 92... better than Mike_L:P
02:34:21 <zachb> 91!
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02:35:51 <kpreid> hm
02:35:56 * kpreid has an idea
02:36:07 <zachb> It hurts to look at
02:36:19 <zachb> ...better than brainfuck though
02:36:43 <zachb> wait!
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02:36:47 * zachb has an idea too
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02:38:05 <zachb> if you noticed in mine, the first section: 6g4c0^P$ is a "function". The 6g is to jump over it when you start. You hop into it using the c command
02:38:30 <zachb> 2c will print S0 twice as well as keep a duplicate
02:38:38 <zachb> 4c will print it once and keep a dupe
02:39:22 <halley> phenny modules... not a lot of docs there, and several @deprecated for no obvious reason.
02:42:13 <halley> I want to do a module that looks at plain channel speech and actions, not commands. Do I set up rules or functions or what?
02:44:30 <bjoern_> You might want to ask in ~6 hours when sbp is around.
02:44:37 <bjoern_> You can also leave a message with phenny.
02:45:12 <halley> Europe?
02:45:20 <bjoern_> Yes.
02:45:24 * halley nods.
02:45:28 <bjoern_> Well not really, but close.
02:45:43 <bjoern_> (some weird island called "england" or something)
02:47:29 <zachb> HE'S A BRIT! RUN!!!
02:54:05 <bjoern_> Quite frankly, I doubt that'll have much effect on his britishness.
02:54:13 <bjoern_> Except perhaps if you run away during tea time.
03:01:23 <bjoern_> .gc "TSCHÖ MIT Ö"
03:01:24 <phenny> "TSCHÖ MIT Ö": 15,800
03:01:32 <bjoern_> .gc Ö
03:01:33 <phenny> Ö: 75,900,000
03:01:37 <bjoern_> .gc Ä
03:01:38 <phenny> Ä: 66,700,000
03:01:40 <bjoern_> .gc Ü
03:01:41 <phenny> Ü: 71,400,000
03:02:08 <bjoern_> Ö FTW
03:02:12 <halley> google count?
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03:08:46 <Monty> Thank goodness, BigJibby_lap is back!
03:10:10 <kpreid> zachb: I am attempting to implement HVM in the size of an IRC line...probably won't succeed
03:10:46 <zachb> hmm?
03:11:22 <zachb> implement it in phenny? or hmm?
03:25:48 <zachb> or implement it in C in x amount of chars?
03:27:33 <bjoern_> < 冗 PENIS 冗 >
03:30:15 <bjoern_> < 咒 MÖSE 咒 >
03:30:24 <bjoern_> .gc "furchtbar böse"
03:30:24 <phenny> "furchtbar böse": 5,470
03:30:29 <bjoern_> .gc "fruchtbar böse"
03:30:29 <phenny> "fruchtbar böse": 28
03:31:39 <bjoern_> .gs raindrops are falling on my *
03:31:40 <phenny> raindrops are falling on my *: head (78), chant (3), tent (2), quilt (2), jumper (2), helmet (2), hat (2)
03:31:43 <bjoern_> .gs rain-drops are falling on my *
03:31:44 <phenny> rain-drops are falling on my *: No results!
03:32:00 <bjoern_> .g raindrops are falling on my jumper
03:32:01 <phenny> bjoern_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DP1yw7FB8M&feature=related
03:32:06 <bjoern_> .g "raindrops are falling on my jumper"
03:32:07 <phenny> bjoern_: http://www.fanfiktion.de/u/Vala+Jackson
03:32:22 <bjoern_> .gc "REGENTROPFEN FALLEN AUF MEINEN KOPF"
03:32:22 <phenny> "REGENTROPFEN FALLEN AUF MEINEN KOPF": 60
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03:38:17 <zachb> .gs raindrops are falling on my *
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03:55:22 <Mike_L> zachb: 92 chars!
03:55:31 <Mike_L> 48*0^3*0>43*9*1>89*P1<7-P1<P1<P1<3+P59*1-P0^P0<9-4-P1<1+P0<1+P1<P1<P0^P0<9-P1<3+P1<P1<8-P1+P
03:56:08 <Mike_L> there are 19 'P' so there must be a way to collapse those into a loop of some sort
03:56:38 <Mike_L> that will certainly be worth the 4 chars to store #32 in memory
03:57:15 <zachb> SWEET
03:57:21 <zachb> no wait, I've done that before
03:57:37 <zachb> but yeah, see what I've done before w/ pseudo-functions
03:57:49 <zachb> you define them @ the begininning & then loop back
03:57:59 <zachb> calling the function takes 2 chars, a # and "c"
03:58:13 <Mike_L> yeah
03:58:24 <Mike_L> $ and c
03:58:26 <kpreid> I notice that the implementation on the web page produces fractional numbers from /
03:59:07 <zachb> mhm
03:59:19 <zachb> the python might not: it's a shortcoming of python
03:59:30 <zachb> [off] 6g4c0^P$89*4c32/*0^7-P2c0^3+P59*1-P48*4c65+8*0^5-P2^1+P0^9+P2v2c25c1v1-P0^3+P0^6+P4c8-P1+P
03:59:34 <Mike_L> or a longcoming of ECMAScript
03:59:36 <zachb> see the beginning?
03:59:43 <Mike_L> yeah
03:59:43 <kpreid> well, the description says "signed integer"
03:59:44 <zachb> well, no. I'm pretty sure he verifies in PHP
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03:59:51 <kpreid> so I bet it's a bug in the js version
03:59:56 <Mike_L> tion
04:00:11 <Mike_L> '6g' is jump over the function
04:00:15 <zachb> mhmm
04:00:25 <zachb> 4c is there if you wanted to call the function twice
04:00:47 <zachb> later on, you'd say 2c to run it twice or 4c to run it once
04:01:37 <zachb> P1<P1< might be functionable
04:01:50 <Mike_L> zachb: so you're trading the 8-char function for the ability to use '2c' in place of '0^P' ?
04:02:05 <zachb> and 4c in the place of 0^P0^P
04:02:07 <Mike_L> ah
04:02:13 <zachb> in mine, it made a few char difference ;-)
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04:02:48 <zachb> because I ref'd it like 3 times
04:02:54 <zachb> *5
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04:07:50 <zachb> by the way, do you really think using the mem is faster/better than using the stack?
04:07:57 <zachb> I was in the process of rewriting to use the mem
04:08:23 <zachb> Mike_L: oh, my shortest: 91!
04:08:36 <Mike_L> :)
04:08:49 <Mike_L> I think mem saves space
04:09:29 <zachb> does it though?
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04:21:47 <kpreid> I've got my mostly complete implementation down to 566 characters and I'm going to sleep.
04:21:50 <Mike_L> 7gP2<0v$48*0^0>3*1>43*9*2>89*2c7-2c2c2c3+P59*1-P0<P1<9-4-2c1+P1<1+2c2cP0<P1<9-2c3+2c6+2cP2<8-P0<1+P
04:22:20 <kpreid> hvm p=r[](repeat 0)0[]where r cs m pc os=let a f=g$f b2 a2:r2;np=1+pc;g=r cs m np;a1:r1=os;a2:b2:r2=os;in case (p++cycle"!")!!pc of;d|isDigit d -> r cs m np$digitToInt d:os;'*'->a(*);'+'->a(+);'/'->a div;'-'->a(-);'>'->r cs(take a2 m++b2:drop(1+a2)m)np r2;'<'->r cs m np(m!!a1:r1)
04:22:20 <kpreid> ;'c'->r(np:cs)m a1 r1;'$'->let j:xs=cs in r xs m j os;'p'->show a1++g r1;'P'->chr(mod a1 128):g r1;'^'->g$r1!!a1:r1;'v'->g$r1!!a1:take a1 r1++drop(1+a1)r1;':'->g$(fromEnum$compare b2 a2)-1:r2;'?'->r cs m(if b2==0 then a2+pc else 1+pc)r2;'g'->r cs m(a1+np)r1;'!'->"";_->error$show(p!!pc)
04:22:37 <Mike_L> I replaced 'P2<' with '2c' but it didn't help much :(
04:22:50 <Mike_L> it grew the program
04:22:53 <Mike_L> kpreid: what's that?
04:23:03 <kpreid> a Haskell implementation of this hvm
04:23:10 <Mike_L> cool :)
04:23:46 <kpreid> it'd probably fit the limit if I condensed all the two-letter variable names and removed the few extra whitespace and semicolons
04:23:51 * kpreid z
04:24:55 <Mike_L> what's the limit?
04:26:28 <Mike_L> the secret here is to reorder the instructions
04:30:55 <zachb> probably
04:31:14 <zachb> kpreid: these guys would love that p
04:31:15 <zachb> *:p
04:39:42 <Mike_L> by using only memory, I've put all my 'P' at the end of hte program
04:39:54 <Mike_L> so I have 19 'P' that I need to make into a loop
04:39:56 <zachb> right
04:40:01 <zachb> which I can do!
04:40:18 <zachb> I wrote a cat program before
04:40:44 <Mike_L> I wish it was easier to jump backwards
04:42:22 <zachb> 193+-0^01-1+1^1^<p0vg
04:42:35 <zachb> that's my program that, I believe, counts the number of input
04:42:40 <zachb> its hardly optimized
04:43:09 <zachb> ack!
04:43:10 <zachb> don't run it
04:43:18 <zachb> its not a working version :P
04:44:14 <zachb> its an inf. loop
04:48:37 <zachb> I wonder what'd happen if we gave it an inf. loop
04:48:57 <zachb> (the solution verifier)... it'd be cheating...
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04:50:57 <zachb> 07-1vPg
04:51:08 <zachb> that will P repeatedly
04:51:27 <zachb> oh well
04:51:31 <zachb> I'm off to bed
04:51:45 <zachb> let me know if you get under 90... or anything good ;-)
04:51:46 <Mike_L> haha infinite loop! Firefox 3 is frozen :P
04:51:50 <zachb> :P
04:52:10 <zachb> yeah... I made some changes to add a feature that prevents it from inf. looping
04:52:20 <zachb> nice talking w/ ya!
04:52:23 <Mike_L> I hope FF3 has the nice popup allowing me to cancel the script
04:52:33 <Mike_L> zachb: yeah, it's been fun. :) Thanks!
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06:20:06 <xover> You people are sick! Sick I tell you!
06:20:06 <phenny> xover: 01:05Z <_bjoern> tell xover I wouldn't mind less FAILs in http://cpantesters.perl.org/show/SGML-Parser-OpenSP.html#SGML-Parser-OpenSP-0.991 (they all either don't have OpenSP at all, or not the right version, as I recall). I am not sure really how to fix it. Investigate!?
06:20:09 <phenny> xover: 01:07Z <_bjoern> tell xover https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=724451 - then why doesn't the CODE menu list that? Should we admins do anything?
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06:36:14 <xover> phenny: tell _bjoern s/CVS/SVN/g done.
06:36:15 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when _bjoern is around.
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06:36:39 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's arthus!
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06:42:07 <xover> .title http://cpantest.grango.org/
06:42:11 <phenny> Can't connect to http://cpantest.grango.org/
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07:20:11 <Mike_L> phenny: tell zachb append this to your program to print a null-terminated string from the stack: P0^4?09-g
07:20:12 <phenny> Mike_L: I'll pass that on when zachb is around.
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07:24:03 <xover> loggy: pointer?
07:24:03 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-06-15#T07-24-03
07:25:26 <sbp> yo
07:25:26 <phenny> sbp: 14 Jun 22:32Z <xover> tell sbp http://www.flickr.com/photos/balakov/sets/72157602602191858/
07:25:27 <phenny> sbp: 01:06Z <_bjoern> tell sbp YES, Earth Things.
07:25:37 <xover> Hmm. Looks like to check for a C/C++ header file / library you need to write the test yourself in Perl, before the call to WriteMakefile(), and print(<error>) && exit 0.
07:27:10 <xover> Alternately, we can do an #ifdef after #include <OpenSP/ParserEventGeneratorKit.h>, checking for something #defined in the header, and replace all of OpenSP.xs with a giant NOOP if it's ot there.
07:27:59 <sbp> seen some of these lego things, oddly enough
07:28:28 <xover> Or possibly we can make use of the CPAN Testers' new environment variables (etc.) to nerf all the tests when we're running in a CPAN Testers harness (i.e. automated tests).
07:28:38 <xover> I don't really like any of these options.
07:29:04 <xover> I had a look at the code DBD::Oracle uses to check for the presence of teh Oracle SDK, and man is it ugly.
07:29:13 <xover> I mean, really really fucking ugly.
07:29:53 <sbp> A GIANT NOOP
07:30:44 <xover> Since #include paths aren't easily visible to Perl, you'd either need to reimplement the path logic or system() out to a test make/build (ala automake/autoconf) and regex your status out of the output.
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07:31:48 <xover> Granted a findinc.c that tries to #include it and barfs if not found isn't really deep magic, but still...
07:32:10 <Mike_L> another 92-char solution to hackvm: 048*0^0>3*1>43*9*2>0<1+2<8-2<2<6+2<3+1<9-0<2<2<1<1+2<1+1<9-4-0<59*1-2<3+2<2<2<7-89*P0^4?09-g
07:33:03 <sbp> [[[
07:33:03 <xover> The version may be easier, since you can expose the version info in a testable way from OpenSP.xs/OpenSP.pm, and do the equivalent in t/*.t.
07:33:04 <sbp> But for the farmer, who spends his life rubbing shoulders with cows, to say it so often represented a linguistic landmark. If the farms of England are now going forward, then there is no turning back for any of us.
07:33:11 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7453584.stm
07:33:14 <xover> I dunno.
07:34:39 <xover> phenny: tell _bjoern <http://swhack.com/logs/2008-06-15#T07-24-03>.
07:34:41 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when _bjoern is around.
07:34:57 <xover> Right.
07:35:08 <xover> `morning sbp.
07:35:19 <sbp> yo
07:35:56 <xover> Did I mention I hate C and all its ilk?
07:36:16 <sbp> it's implicit
07:36:34 <xover> .gcs implicit complicit
07:36:36 <phenny> implicit (20,700,000), complicit (2,110,000)
07:36:47 <xover> .w comport
07:36:48 <phenny> comport v. 1: Behave well or properly
07:36:49 <phenny> comport v. 2: Behave in a certain manner.
07:36:58 <xover> .w deport
07:36:58 <phenny> deport v. 1: Behave in a certain manner
07:36:59 <phenny> deport v. 2: Hand over to the authorities of another country
07:37:00 <phenny> deport v. 3: Expel from a country.
07:37:10 <xover> .gcs comport deport
07:37:11 <phenny> comport (10,900,000), deport (4,210,000)
07:37:17 <xover> .gcs comported deported
07:37:18 <phenny> deported (5,340,000), comported (122,000)
07:37:27 <xover> odd
07:37:37 <Mike_L> 91-char solution: 0483**1>43*9*2>48*1+2<8-2<2<6+2<3+1<9-48*2<2<1<1+2<1+1<9-4-48*59*1-2<3+2<2<2<7-89*P0^4?09-g
07:37:41 <xover> .gcs comportment deportment
07:37:42 <phenny> deportment (684,000), comportment (354,000)
07:37:56 <xover> .ety deport
07:37:56 <phenny> "1474, 'behavior, bearing,' from M.Fr. deporter 'behave,' from de- 'thoroughly, formally' + porter 'to carry, bear oneself;' original sense preserved in deportment (1601)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=deport
07:38:13 <xover> .ety comport
07:38:14 <phenny> "c.1385, from M.Fr. comporter 'endure, behave,' from L. comportare 'to bring together,' from com- 'together' + portare 'to carry' (see port (1))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=comport
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07:43:54 <Mike_L> 86-char solution: 043*9*2>48*1+2<8-2<2<6+2<3+99*6+48*2<2<2<8-3-2<1+99*2+48*59*1-2<3+2<2<2<7-89*P0^4?09-g
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08:06:33 <Mike_L> phenny: tell zachb 78-char solution to hackvm!!! 048*0^1+0^3*1+0^8+0^6+0^3-99*6+6v4^0^7^3-1^1+5^4-5^59*1-9^6^0^6^8-89*P0^4?09-g
08:06:33 <phenny> Mike_L: I'll pass that on when zachb is around.
08:10:04 <Mike_L> hmm... maybe that shouldn't have gone in the logs :-/
08:10:47 <Mike_L> .ety conduct
08:10:47 <phenny> "c.1400, from L. conductus, pp. of conducere 'to lead or bring together' (see conduce)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=conduct
08:11:17 <Mike_L> xover: do you know why electricity shocks people?
08:11:29 <xover> ?
08:12:08 <Mike_L> xover: it doesn't know how to conduct itself :P
08:12:15 <xover> heh heh
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08:23:40 <cre8radix> moin:zen
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08:34:23 <Mike_L> what do you think would be found at the URL backupwebservice.com?
08:41:51 <xover> Porn?
08:56:45 <xover> Well, Horst Buchholz is certainly no Toshirō Mifune.
08:57:10 <xover> And John Sturges is Kurosawa Light, at best.
08:57:25 <sbp> dude
08:57:29 <sbp> you keep saying things
08:57:32 <xover> But not at all a bad western.
08:57:39 <sbp> and they're like a black hole
08:57:45 <sbp> sucking me into their interestingness
08:58:01 * sbp can resist no further and Wikipedias
08:58:22 <xover> And I think I enjoyed it a lot more having just seen Seven Samurai than I would had I seen it cold.
09:05:14 <xover> heh heh
09:05:51 <xover> I reacted to the Mexican peasants having crisply, even shining, clean white clothes (they're fucking farmers; no dirt?) in the beginning of the movie.
09:06:09 <xover> Apparently, this was due to demands from the Mexican government censors. :-)
09:06:33 <sbp> chuckle
09:22:24 <xover> Right, next on the list is Yojimbo, I think,with its attendant Fistful of Dollars (we'll see if the two sequels are worth the time)
09:24:20 <xover> And, of course, the Bruce WIllis “Last Man Standing” version is a must for the modern take on it.
09:24:58 <sbp> [[[
09:24:59 <sbp> The Egyptian authorities have banned a 92-year-old man from marrying a 17-year-old girl, the Egyptian al-Akhbar newspaper has reported.
09:25:00 <sbp> The ministry of justice invoked a law which says the age gap between spouses should not exceed 25 years.
09:25:07 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7452456.stm
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09:27:48 <Monty> Thank goodness, andreaja is back!
09:28:01 <xover> Oh sod off!
09:28:03 <sbp> andreaja: hey. welcome to Swhack
09:28:09 <sbp> this is a publically logged channel
09:28:58 <andreaja> hi
09:29:26 <sbp> how did you find us? why are you here?
09:29:55 <xover> What are your goals in life?
09:30:06 <xover> WHat do you consider your greatest achievement?
09:30:14 <xover> Your greatest regret?
09:31:02 <sbp> andreaja?
09:31:32 <andreaja> majik
09:31:44 <sbp> eh?
09:31:45 <andreaja> (that should cover all the answers)
09:31:57 <xover> .gc majik
09:31:58 <sbp> (yet somehow...)
09:31:59 <phenny> majik: 2,590,000
09:32:07 <xover> Yeah, I'd say that pretty much does it.
09:32:39 <andreaja> actually I was just messing around the website looking for a couple of phenny modules that are documented but not in the repo
09:32:57 <sbp> okay. which ones?
09:32:58 <andreaja> like .thesaurus
09:33:30 <sbp> .thesaurus test
09:33:30 <phenny> sbp: .thesaurus hasn't been ported to my new codebase yet
09:33:39 <sbp> the documentation is out of date, sorry
09:33:41 <andreaja> aha
09:33:42 * sbp comments that line out
09:33:43 <andreaja> no problem
09:33:56 <andreaja> map as well?
09:34:38 <sbp> yeah, map's gone. nobody ever used map anyway
09:34:52 <sbp> thesaurus people did use... am just yet to port it
09:34:53 <Monty> I can't find any alternative words for people did use... am just yet to port it
09:35:01 <sbp> want to find a nicer interface for it
09:35:05 <sbp> well, a nicer site to scrape
09:35:20 <andreaja> heh
09:35:53 <sbp> hmm, could try using onelook perhaps
09:37:19 <sbp> alright, fixed the homepage; thanks
09:38:06 <andreaja> I don't suppose there's a quotes module?
09:38:23 <andreaja> thanks yourself :)
09:38:40 <sbp> ‘Mr Bush described Carla Bruni as a "smart and capable woman"’ - except that she married Sarkozy?
09:38:45 <sbp> andreaja: what would a quotes module do?
09:39:31 <andreaja> store quotes for future reference
09:39:36 <andreaja> (in the most generic sense)
09:39:47 <sbp> there isn't, but it would be most trivial to write on
09:39:51 <sbp> ...e
09:40:09 <andreaja> yeah, but I'm that lazy :(
09:40:17 <sbp> bummer
09:42:02 <andreaja> how does phenny deal with dead connections and reconnecting?
09:42:27 <andreaja> if you don't mind me asking
09:42:31 <sbp> if the connection is closed she attempts to reconnect after an over-ridable sleep period
09:42:42 <sbp> defaulting to ten seconds or something, I think
09:42:49 <andreaja> hm
09:42:49 <andreaja> weird
09:42:55 <sbp> if the connection is merely hanging, she has no way of detecting that
09:43:21 <andreaja> shouldn't she react to a lack of pings?
09:43:37 <sbp> well some servers don't ping
09:43:53 <andreaja> :o
09:45:22 <andreaja> is there any (simple?) way of sharing resources between modules?
09:45:32 <Jibbler> most do ping
09:45:45 <andreaja> I was thinking of doing some stuff that might justify a database backend
09:45:56 <andreaja> and it'd be nice to be able to share the cursor between modules that used the db
09:45:58 <sbp> "most" isn't helpful for a bot that must be compatible with all...
09:46:10 <Jibbler> "nearly all"
09:46:10 <sbp> andreaja: you can set attributes on the bot itself
09:46:30 <sbp> "nearly won't get complaints"... :-)
09:46:39 <Jibbler> i can't actually think of a network that doesn't ping; and besides, there is nothing stopping a bot proactively pinging the server itself
09:46:51 <sbp> yeah, I was thinking about self-pinging
09:47:05 <andreaja> without actually changing the bot code?
09:47:07 <sbp> "AM I STILL CONNECTED PLZ" "NO" "K I WILL RECONNECT THX"
09:47:53 <sbp> andreaja: well you can just do something like phenny._info = {}
09:48:04 <sbp> and store stuffs in there
09:48:07 <sbp> otherwise, use the disc
09:48:20 <andreaja> disc?
09:48:27 <sbp> yes, the filesystem
09:48:28 <andreaja> oh, right
09:48:40 <andreaja> well, you can't exactly share a database connection via the filesystem
09:48:44 <sbp> cf. the marshal and shelve modules
09:48:47 <andreaja> but that should work
09:48:55 <sbp> well, look at shelf...
09:49:06 <andreaja> I don't see any shelf module...
09:49:23 <sbp> http://docs.python.org/lib/module-shelve.html
09:49:26 <Jibbler> which networks don't send pings, out of interest?
09:49:35 <andreaja> oh duh
09:49:36 <sbp> I thought that Freenode didn't
09:49:49 <Jibbler> it does
09:50:06 <sbp> what rate does it use?
09:50:41 <sbp> I thought there was a period wherein it was at least exceptionally long
09:50:48 <sbp> because I remember people complaining their asses off about it
09:51:02 <Jibbler> every 3 minutes by the looks of it
09:51:15 <sbp> hmm, that's reasonable
09:51:15 <Jibbler> (based on last sample only :)
09:51:44 <sbp> if someone would like to do a poll of a few dozen servers for me... :-)
09:52:43 <andreaja> I'm pretty sure it's part of the protocol
09:52:59 <andreaja> (not that any server actually complies with the protocol)
09:53:45 <sbp> yeah, some servers don't even use \r\n, only \n
09:53:52 <andreaja> ircu for example
09:53:54 <sbp> someone sent me a phenny patch to support \n because of that
09:55:05 <sbp> man, the Austrian coach is really going on about Ballack
10:53:23 <sbp> RSCCC
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11:48:07 <sbp> yo nsh
11:48:16 <bjoern_> nyou
11:48:25 <sbp> nyo2ub
11:48:37 <bjoern_> kkthx
11:48:39 <sbp> hai
11:48:49 <bjoern_> SHARKS OMG WHERE?
11:48:54 <sbp> what news from the Germanic realms?
11:49:05 <sbp> .gs * in my vagina?
11:49:06 <phenny> * in my vagina?: centipedes (10), fingers (2), bump (2)
11:49:13 <sbp> no sharks there
11:49:28 <bjoern_> I take it we are preparing to become austria's pwnmaster tomorrow
11:49:32 <sbp> yeah
11:49:38 <sbp> the Austrian coach was all—
11:49:43 <bjoern_> phenny, de "Hai"?
11:49:43 <sbp> “Germany are terrible”
11:49:44 <phenny> bjoern_: "Hai" (de to en, translate.google.com)
11:49:49 <bjoern_> u so sux
11:49:53 <sbp> “their only good player is Ballack, who is absolutely world class”
11:50:04 <sbp> “we are really scared of Ballack. but the rest of the team is no regard”
11:50:30 <sbp> I'm not exactly sure what he was trying to do. clearly some psyche thing
11:50:30 <bjoern_> Lolly: http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Hai
11:50:42 <sbp> ôôshark
11:51:06 <sbp> WEIßER HAI 2 U
11:51:14 <sbp> hmm, I need that capital ß
11:51:18 <nsh> whwhwhwhwh
11:51:24 <nsh> atatat
11:51:24 <sbp> nsnsnsnsh
11:51:27 <nsh> upupupup
11:51:37 <sbp> shark 2 u nsh
11:51:44 <bjoern_> phenny, de "Haifisch"?
11:51:45 <nsh> capital!
11:51:46 <phenny> bjoern_: "Shark" (de to en, translate.google.com)
11:51:47 <sbp> we are discussing pwnmastering
11:51:52 <bjoern_> ha pwnmasda!
11:51:53 <sbp> .gc sharkfish
11:51:55 <phenny> sharkfish: 95,500
11:52:11 <nsh> i think i saw an advert for the pwnmaster 2000 on the shopping channel
11:52:22 <sbp> was it made of lego?
11:52:44 <bjoern_> Elsewhere a klingon cruiser sucking cloud is moving towards earth while spock is engaged in crazy vulcan rituals.
11:53:06 <bjoern_> iz pwncloud 2.0
11:53:09 <sbp> what d'you want in your burger Spock?
11:53:15 <sbp> +“”
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11:53:26 <sbp> as circumfix operators enquotenising my line
11:54:02 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 5 minutes Allo Allo is on
11:54:04 <Monty> run away during high profile in life?
11:54:10 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 5 minutes to watch Allo Allo — is on
11:54:10 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sun Jun 15 13:01:05 BST 2008
11:54:23 <sbp> ugh. you don't even know what time it is, Monty
11:54:24 <Monty> Hello..
11:54:26 <bjoern_> this +to is annoying everyone most.
11:54:27 <sbp> hellos!
11:54:33 <sbp> +to?
11:54:40 <bjoern_> remind me to
11:54:43 <sbp> oh yeah
11:54:52 <bjoern_> .weather edfm is rainy all of the sudden
11:54:54 <phenny> No ICAO code found, sorry
11:55:10 <sbp> it does a fuzzy search when you give it lots of bullshit
11:55:16 <sbp> .weather London in the United Kingdom
11:55:17 <phenny> No ICAO code found, sorry
11:55:25 <sbp> a fuzzy search which SUCKS THE BIG ONE
11:55:25 <bjoern_> "Subject: The cheapest pain..." - spam.
11:55:32 <sbp> ooh, cheap pain
11:55:57 <sbp> reminds me, 90% of my email sux
11:56:02 <sbp> pls someone send me awesome email of awesome
11:56:04 <sbp> rather than sux
11:56:09 <sbp> to make it be more like only 89%
11:57:19 <bjoern_> The latest here has From: ...@w3.org and Subject: Björn Höhrmann ...
11:57:47 <sbp> yay for i18n fails
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11:58:44 <bjoern_> IT'S TOO LATE THEY ARE BEAMING ALREADY
11:58:57 <sbp> time for foods then!
11:59:12 <bjoern_> oh yeah, if I wouldn't have to clean the dishes first...
11:59:18 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you to watch Allo Allo — is on
12:01:51 <sbp> good tagline for a film: “it's food-o'-clock and you're bottom of the food chain. what do you do? what DO you do?”
12:02:18 <bjoern_> Turn the food chain upside down?
12:03:36 <sbp> do you have Allo Allo on de telly yet?
12:03:45 <sbp> much lols
12:05:19 <bjoern_> nonus since ProSiebenSat1 bought the rights to it.
12:06:19 <sbp> aw man
12:10:24 <sbp> .gc muffaloes
12:10:24 <phenny> muffaloes: 102
12:11:04 <bjoern_> 'Allo 'Allo playing in "Nouvion"?
12:14:09 <sbp> badger grease and rose petal water
12:14:20 <bjoern_> Enterprise now flying at colorful LSD speed
12:15:27 <bjoern_> colsion in ten sconds
12:20:20 <sbp> .gc "do you have the long distance dick?"
12:20:21 <phenny> "do you have the long distance dick?": 16
12:20:42 <bjoern_> .gc "do you have the short distance dick?"
12:20:42 <phenny> "do you have the short distance dick?": 0
12:20:58 <bjoern_> .gc "do you have the medium distance dick?"
12:20:59 <phenny> "do you have the medium distance dick?": 0
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12:21:27 <sbp> there are no other known ranges of duck
12:32:39 <bjoern_> .gc penis
12:32:40 <phenny> penis: 4,380,000
12:32:42 <bjoern_> .gc penis penis
12:32:42 <phenny> penis penis: 1,040,000
12:32:45 <bjoern_> .gc penis penis penis
12:32:45 <phenny> penis penis penis: 3,050,000
12:32:48 <bjoern_> .gc penis penis penis penis
12:32:49 <phenny> penis penis penis penis: 818,000
12:32:51 <bjoern_> .gc penis penis penis penis penis
12:32:52 <phenny> penis penis penis penis penis: 3,020,000
12:32:55 <bjoern_> .gc penis penis penis penis penis penis
12:32:55 <phenny> penis penis penis penis penis penis: 496,000
12:32:57 <bjoern_> .gc penis penis penis penis penis penis penis
12:32:58 <phenny> penis penis penis penis penis penis penis: 495,000
12:33:00 <bjoern_> .gc penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis
12:33:00 <phenny> penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis: 495,000
12:33:03 <bjoern_> .gc penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis
12:33:04 <phenny> penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis: 494,000
12:33:06 <bjoern_> .gc penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis
12:33:07 <phenny> penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis: 494,000
12:33:11 <bjoern_> .gc penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis
12:33:11 <phenny> penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis: 495,000
12:33:25 * nsh imagines sliding down the googlecount penis slide
12:33:27 <sbp> The Penis Googlecount Triangle
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12:45:12 <bjoern_> .gc "paindrops are falling"
12:45:13 <phenny> "paindrops are falling": 0
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12:57:13 <bjoern_> Okay I'm in mexico on top of the temple, I have the two stone plates, put them together, and am trying to use my pen to put the drawing on the stones on the wall.
12:57:20 <bjoern_> Problem is, it doesn't work. What's wrong?
12:57:38 <xover> What do you mean “it doesn't work”?
12:57:48 <xover> Does the ink not take?
12:57:57 <xover> Is it too dark to see what you're writing?
12:57:57 <bjoern_> Nothing happens when I push the stone button.
12:58:07 <xover> Are the natives shooting too many poison darts at you?
12:58:07 <bjoern_> Tis Zak2 btw
12:58:35 <xover> Remember, in a pinch you can always use your own blood as ink.
12:59:19 <xover> It's quite painful, and runs the risk of bleeding to death, so I would suggest saving that little trick for any last missives you plan to leave behind to warn the adventurers and explorers that are sure to come after you.
12:59:22 <bjoern_> Oh yeah right, better have ink than something to drink.
13:01:32 <nelix> .wik sharpie
13:01:33 <phenny> "Sharpie (marker), a line of permanent markers manufactured by the Sanford company" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpie
13:01:42 <nelix> get one
13:01:47 <nelix> or 10
13:05:11 <bjoern_> what are we using for image uploads these days?
13:09:02 <sbp> I'm using imageshack
13:14:16 <kpreid> zachb, Mike_L: I done it!
13:14:28 <kpreid> (though without implementing '!')
13:14:44 <kpreid> er, without ' '.
13:14:59 <bjoern_> I pwnd teh riddle
13:16:39 <sbp> ugh, Bush is in the UK
13:17:05 <sbp> as if we didn't have to put up with enough fuckwittery here anyway
13:18:00 <kpreid> !let s p=r[](fix(0:))0[]where r c m i o=let a(&)=g$w&q:e;j=1+i;h=r c m;g=h j;z:x=o;q:w:e=o;k:l=c in case(p++"!")!!i of 'p'->show z++g x;'P'->chr(mod z 128):g x;d|isDigit d->g$ord d-48:o;'+'->a(+);'-'->a(-);'*'->a(*);'/'->a div;':'->g$signum(w-q):e;'g'->h(z+j)x;'?'->h(i+case w of 0->q;_->1)e;'c'->r(j:c)m z x;'$'->r l m k o;'<'->g$m!!z:x;'>'->r c(take q m++w:drop(1+q)m)j e;'^'->g$x!!z:x;'v'->g$x!!z:take z x++drop(1+z)x;'d'->g x;'!'->""
13:18:02 <swhask> <local>:1:0: Warning: Pattern match(es) are overlapped In th...
13:18:13 <kpreid> er?
13:18:42 <kpreid> !undefine
13:18:45 <swhask> Undefined.
13:18:47 <kpreid> !let s p=r[](fix(0:))0[]where r c m i o=let a(&)=g$w&q:e;j=1+i;h=r c m;g=h j;z:x=o;q:w:e=o;k:l=c in case(p++"!")!!i of 'p'->show z++g x;'P'->chr(mod z 128):g x;d|isDigit d->g$ord d-48:o;'+'->a(+);'-'->a(-);'*'->a(*);'/'->a div;':'->g$signum(w-q):e;'g'->h(z+j)x;'?'->h(i+case w of 0->q;_->1)e;'c'->r(j:c)m z x;'$'->r l m k o;'<'->g$m!!z:x;'>'->r c(take q m++w:drop(1+q)m)j e;'^'->g$x!!z:x;'v'->g$x!!z:take z x++drop(1+z)x;'d'->g x;'!'->""
13:18:52 <swhask> Defined.
13:19:09 <kpreid> h> s "48*0^3*0>43*9*1>89*P1<7-P1<P1<P1<3+P59*1-P0^P0<9-4-P1<1+P0<1+P1<P1<P0^P0<9-P1<3+P1<P1<8-P1+P"
13:19:10 <swhask> Not in scope: `s'
13:19:15 <kpreid> h> L.s "48*0^3*0>43*9*1>89*P1<7-P1<P1<P1<3+P59*1-P0^P0<9-4-P1<1+P0<1+P1<P1<P0^P0<9-P1<3+P1<P1<8-P1+P"
13:19:19 <swhask> "Hello, Small Wold!"
13:20:32 <bjoern_> Hey at least he's not on teh intarwebs.
13:26:09 <sbp> Wold?
13:26:53 <bjoern_> seen Wold
13:26:53 <Monty> I have not seen "Wold" say or do anything during my arduous lifetime on this IRC server.
13:27:23 <sbp> seen SmallWold
13:27:23 <Monty> I have not seen "SmallWold" say or do anything during my arduous lifetime on this IRC server.
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13:46:19 <kpreid> sbp: *shrug* that's what the program did
13:46:36 <sbp> my contention is that it's fucked up
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13:46:41 <sbp> E_BUG
13:47:00 <kpreid> I didn't write it, just the interpreter :)
13:47:18 <sbp> you could've put a bug in the interpreter so that it always prints Wold as World
13:47:26 <sbp> E_BUG + E_BUG = success!
13:47:39 <kpreid> wouldn't fit in the line length
13:47:50 <sbp> ehwhatnow?
13:48:00 <sbp> the interpreter has a line length to fit into?
13:48:04 <kpreid> my goal was to write an interpreter which fits in one IRC line
13:48:09 <kpreid> so I can paste the definition in
13:48:09 <Monty> Porn?
13:48:17 <sbp> yes Monty, porn. sheesh
13:48:20 <Monty> I reckon whores + feasts = aggressive Mozilla, apparently.
13:48:25 <sbp> kk
13:48:43 <sbp> kpreid: your interpreter is "L.s"?
13:48:46 <kpreid> yes
13:48:54 <kpreid> defined by !let s p=...
13:49:00 <sbp> ooh, I see
13:49:13 <sbp> llet looks Welsh
13:49:24 <kpreid> want the guide to the one-letter variable names?
13:49:27 <nelix> bjoern_: i am using rsync
13:51:07 <sbp> yes please
13:51:22 <kpreid> {-
13:51:22 <kpreid> r = VM execution function of call stack, memory, instruction pointer, and operand stack
13:51:23 <kpreid> c = call stack
13:51:23 <kpreid> m = memory
13:51:23 <kpreid> i = instruction pointer
13:51:23 <kpreid> j = next instruction pointer
13:51:25 <kpreid> o = operand stack
13:51:27 <kpreid>
13:51:29 <kpreid> a = arithmetic handler
13:51:31 <kpreid> h = proceed with instruction pointer and operation stack modification
13:51:33 <kpreid> g = proceed with operand stack modification
13:51:35 <kpreid>
13:51:37 <kpreid> z:x = one value popped from operand stack
13:51:39 <kpreid> q:w:e = two values popped from operand stack
13:51:41 <kpreid> k:l = one value popped from call stack
13:51:43 <kpreid> -}
13:52:31 <sbp> "I don't want to barrel! I want to waft!" - James May
13:55:19 <bjoern_> .gc "naked clowns"
13:55:20 <phenny> "naked clowns": 10,200
13:55:36 <bjoern_> #swhack is surrounded by eternal darkness
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14:50:43 <sbp> "an Audi weighs more than the moon" - Jeremy Clarkson
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15:03:42 <melbel> sbp, have they weighed the moon?
15:07:33 <sbp> yep! just use the sun as the other side of the scales or something
15:07:36 <sbp> earth as the pivot
15:07:39 <sbp> .c mass of the moon
15:07:40 <phenny> mass of the Moon = 7.36e22 kilograms
15:09:09 <melbel> mass comes in letters now?
15:09:13 <melbel> [:
15:09:17 <sbp> mmm... letters
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15:09:31 <sbp> letters are sexy, and very ancient
15:09:49 <sbp> they've evolved from bullocks' heads and adzes and so forth
15:09:52 <xover> The stamps cost a bitch though, when you're talking about that kind of mass.
15:10:06 <sbp> to whom would you post the moon?
15:10:27 <melbel> uhhhh
15:10:31 <xover> Haven't you ever promised a girl you'd “bring her the moon”?
15:10:33 <melbel> I wouldn't?
15:10:50 <sbp> yes, but then she usually forgets all about it after I give her a damn good rogering
15:10:51 <melbel> no, I've never promised a girl I'd bring her the moon ^_^
15:11:07 <xover> melbel: That's not very romantic of you.
15:11:21 <melbel> sorry, xover, they've never seemed to mind
15:11:49 <xover> I'll bet inside them they were crying.
15:12:06 <sbp> "no moon! *sniffle*"
15:12:15 <xover> Yeah.
15:12:18 <sbp> moonlessness is the epitome of the disromantic
15:12:38 <melbel> if a chick looks at you and says *sniffle* get rid of her
15:12:51 <sbp> the sniffle chicks all give good head though
15:12:57 <xover> “Don't you love me any more?”
15:13:18 <xover> “<quivering lower lip>”
15:13:28 * sbp wonders how nsh feels about all of this
15:13:29 * melbel giggles
15:13:52 <xover> He's probably busy saunaing.
15:14:13 <xover> With fat, pale, elderly, allegedly Scandinavian men.
15:14:22 <sbp> so I've heard
15:14:38 <xover> Or maybe that was nslater?
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15:14:44 <nslater> hmm!?
15:14:44 <phenny> nslater: 14 Jun 07:19Z <sbp> tell nslater LOUD CZECH JAZZ
15:14:48 <nslater> OMG
15:14:54 <nslater> phenny: tell sbp STOP BEING EVIL
15:14:55 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
15:14:57 <sbp> perfect
15:14:58 <phenny> sbp: 15:14Z <nslater> tell sbp STOP BEING EVIL
15:15:26 <nslater> argh, i have that image in my mind again
15:15:37 <melbel> ?
15:15:49 <xover> Don't worry, he's just picturing you naked.
15:16:00 <nslater> picturing? i have the vids!
15:16:15 <xover> Vivid imagination.
15:16:29 <melbel> well I can see why he'd be crying over that
15:16:43 <melbel> wait, vids? wtf nslater
15:16:52 <sbp> yeah, wtf
15:16:55 <sbp> that's worse than "blogs"
15:17:08 <xover> Also, torrent pls!
15:17:09 <sbp> also they're blue rays these days. get on the programme
15:17:15 <nslater> ... except it has been embellished by my imagination, I am in some gothic room, with red drapery on the walls and patrick moore is standing in the room, in a smoking jacket, watching me, while the cezch jazz plays louder and louder
15:17:19 * sbp will not spell it "blu"
15:17:28 <sbp> nslater: hahaha
15:17:41 <melbel> bleu ray mebbe?
15:17:46 <sbp> you have taken something of beauty and gilded it with sublime. I salute your vigour
15:17:55 <sbp> phenny: en fr "blue ray"?
15:17:56 <phenny> sbp: "Blue Ray" (en to fr, translate.google.com)
15:17:56 * nslater nods
15:17:59 <xover> Blâü!
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15:24:11 <sbp> hellos halley
15:24:17 * nslater grins
15:24:19 <sbp> welcome to Swhack. this is a publically logged channel
15:24:29 <sbp> no grinning, this is manzone
15:24:32 <nslater> halley: a/s/l?
15:24:34 <melbel> Rhode Island \o/
15:24:44 <sbp> no grinning, no hugs, no love, no emotions, no chick flicks, no pantyhose
15:24:45 <halley> Hey, sbp. Came looking for you last night, or rather, was referred to you.
15:24:54 <sbp> halley: cool. what up?
15:25:02 <halley> phenny modules
15:25:07 * nslater grins
15:25:09 <sbp> phenny modules up?
15:25:47 <halley> In reviewing a few, it's a bit under-documented, and some are @deprecated, so it's not clear what the "appropriate" guidelines are.
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15:26:09 <halley> I see rules, functions, and attributes on function names.
15:26:14 <sbp> the ones without @deprecated are not deprecated
15:26:31 * nslater grins
15:26:39 <halley> Is that a grin bot?
15:27:14 <sbp> it's a girl apparently
15:27:14 <nslater> command "Is" is not recognised, please try "nslater: help" for more options
15:27:27 <halley> Yeah, I gathered that not-deprecated is more useful. Is there a "best of show" module that would serve as a suitable exemplar?
15:27:34 <halley> Girls don't grin.
15:27:49 <sbp> they do if you tickle 'em in the right place
15:27:50 * melbel giggles
15:28:08 <sbp> halley: I'd go for... er...
15:28:08 * nslater grins
15:28:17 <sbp> no, not really. wikipedia.py?
15:28:28 <halley> Okay.
15:28:39 <halley> Question two.
15:29:04 <sbp> this better not be about computers
15:29:24 <halley> It's about bots. :P
15:29:26 <Enki-2> plum: come on to xanalogical
15:29:29 <plum> are you coming to that? you should come to the pub afterwards.
15:29:39 <Enki-2> plum: flirt with xanalogical
15:29:44 <plum> xanalogical, i do increase breast so why not keyboard size? isp that doesnt have a plum bondage contract. does that turn you on?
15:29:52 <halley> If I were making a module that wanted to listen and react to joins, parts, privmsg-to-channel, action-to-channel but not with a special "command" syntax, how would I set up that/those rules?
15:30:22 <nslater> halley: what do you mean "not with a special "command" syntax"?
15:30:47 <halley> The bot is eavesdropping, not being commanded.
15:30:59 <halley> Statistics of discussion, etc.
15:31:06 <sbp> yeah, func.rule = 'whatever regexp'
15:31:13 <sbp> and then don't reply inside the function
15:31:25 <nslater> yes, responding to joins is a little more complex though
15:31:39 <sbp> to listen to an event other than privmsg, do func.event = 'whatever'
15:31:45 <sbp> yeah, join is a bit fizzyhucked
15:31:55 <halley> Oh, and /nick changes.
15:32:08 <sbp> nick change is probably a numbered event
15:32:16 <halley> But join is weird?
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15:32:27 <nslater> yeah
15:32:32 <nslater> ... here is a working join action:
15:32:33 <nslater> [[[
15:32:36 <nslater> def join(phenny, input): phenny.bot.msg(input.bytes, "yo %s" % input.nick)
15:32:36 <nslater> join.rule = r".*"
15:32:36 <nslater> join.event = "JOIN"
15:32:37 <nslater> ]]]
15:33:05 <nslater> the "bot.msg(input.bytes" is a hack around a bug, is all
15:33:58 <sbp> thought I'd fixed that?
15:33:59 <halley> Actions are just CTCP of some variety, right? chr(1) surrounds the whole message, not just the arg? How is that distinguished in the regex?
15:34:03 <nslater> but it also serves as an exemplar of the pattern you can use to hook onto actions
15:34:05 <sbp> yeah
15:34:08 <nslater> sbp: not that I was aware
15:35:25 * nslater ^5's nsh
15:35:32 * nslater ^5's n5h
15:35:33 <n5h> ]]. "howy howard jacobs, of some greater whole.
15:36:51 <halley> Hm, are there module hooks for "bot joined", "bot parting" etc?
15:37:12 <sbp> nope
15:44:56 <xanalogical> <Panda_Domo> i have to make sure you build from there, maybe have some change, but when you give permission for the telephone world. Perhaps the ultimate mystery remains. -from A Requiem for Homo Sapiens by Horthy Hosthoh, Timekeeper and Lord Horologe of the document is in two minutes, enki-2 the creme of the .35um runs. :-) ...There is the *version*, but the social contract? Given the concerns in the original context, as few We
15:45:01 <nslater> fail
15:45:19 <xanalogical> raw mode #anime +o enki-2
15:45:30 <sbp> agreed
15:46:32 <halley> Looks like a chompski bot.
15:47:16 <sbp> heh
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15:47:53 <nslater> http://rubberducky.org/cgi-bin/chomsky.pl heh
15:48:51 <sbp> <3
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16:03:16 <mahound> nslater: http://kayrawz.strigo.eu (pt)
16:03:39 <mahound> .wik Eça de Queiroz
16:03:40 <phenny> "José Maria de Eça de Queirós or Queiroz (pronounced [ˈɛsɐ dɨ keiˈɾɔʃ] or [kɐiˈɾɔʃ]) (November 25, 1845 - August 16, 1900) is generally considered to be the greatest Portuguese writer in the realist style, and one of the great figures of European 19th [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eça_de_Queiroz
16:03:50 <nslater> mahound: i have no idea what that is
16:04:49 <mahound> nslater: a shaney i've made, that spits out 19th century portuguese
16:05:12 <sbp> hardcore
16:05:14 <nslater> ah
16:07:39 <sbp> BBC News just showed a blurred version of the secret documents they were sent
16:07:46 <sbp> but they didn't blur them very much
16:08:01 <sbp> I wonder if you could reconstruct the contents from it
16:09:13 <xover> Documents?
16:09:43 <sbp> pertaining to Al Qaeda
16:10:02 <sbp> bleh, they've closed down a part of London just for Bush
16:10:10 <sbp> as if he deserves it or something
16:10:35 <mahound> he deserves a bullet, that's what he deserves
16:10:59 <melbel> O.0
16:11:15 <mahound> melbel: you vote republican?
16:11:17 <nslater> which is perhaps the reason they've closed down part of london
16:11:31 <mahound> nslater: of course, you got it
16:11:41 <sbp> he's just being a whinging Stallman
16:11:50 <melbel> mahound, I don't vote, but please don't be shootan Mr. Pres
16:11:57 <sbp> Bush probably can't even cross the road without someone wiping his ass
16:12:14 * nslater choxelles sliently
16:12:27 <mahound> well, where was it that someone stole his watch?
16:12:39 <sbp> oh yeah, that was funny
16:13:37 <mahound> i sometimes doubt that those people are so untouchable
16:15:07 <mahound> right, it was in albania
16:15:28 <sbp> at least it won't be long before some other rest-of-the-world hating neocon clone replaces him
16:15:33 <halley> Okay, so I see the u'\x01ACTION giggles.\x01' in the input for a channel /me.
16:15:33 <Monty> "you"
16:15:48 <sbp> giggling is fine
16:15:52 <sbp> giggling is the sport of men
16:15:54 <sbp> but no grinning
16:16:01 <sbp> I thought we already discussed this, halley
16:16:54 <Morbus> .c 29225/1159555* 100
16:17:06 <sbp> halley: so your rule is going to be like r'\x01ACTION (.*)\x01'
16:17:08 <phenny> (29 225 / 1 159 555) * 100 = 2.52036342
16:17:09 <halley> A bot does whatever a bot does.
16:17:15 <halley> sbp, yeah, I'm fine with regex.
16:17:52 <sbp> what's the question then?
16:17:55 <sbp> was there a question?
16:18:00 <halley> No.
16:18:03 <melbel> since when did men steal the art of giggling?
16:18:04 <sbp> grumbling is fine too
16:18:09 <sbp> 1978
16:18:14 <melbel> -_-
16:18:16 <sbp> January 15th
16:18:22 <halley> Just saying I made progress.
16:18:25 <halley> I'm not too keen on the style of "functions with attributes" or even "unicode strings with attributes" but I'll live with it.
16:18:27 <sbp> such a day it was!
16:18:33 <melbel> we wants it back plz, thnx
16:18:40 <sbp> Johnny the Gigglestealer will go down in history
16:18:50 <sbp> he'll go down in anything, will Johnny the Gigglestealer
16:19:14 <sbp> you'd have to make a Gigglestealer who is the equal of Johnny the Gigglestealer to steal it back
16:19:21 <sbp> which will be impossible
16:19:26 <melbel> I have enough giggles of my own
16:19:34 <sbp> because Johnny the Gigglestealer is also Johnny the Stealerstealer
16:19:39 <sbp> he stole the art of stealing too
16:19:45 <sbp> that's why burglars are male
16:20:33 <melbel> great, brb though
16:20:34 <sbp> .mangle my rooster is bigger than your bite
16:20:37 <phenny> sbp: my cock is bigger than your bite
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16:23:18 <sbp> bai halley
16:23:37 * sbp hates giving phenny help
16:24:01 <melbel> why?
16:24:34 <nsh> cos its srs bsns
16:24:39 <nsh> and srs bsns is bd
16:24:40 <sbp> because it's all "which cog fits which sproket with the other reverse flange, and does the gonad counteract the tappet shaft or does the valve distributor emancipate the pragmatic notion of expositionality?"
16:24:58 <melbel> phenny has a gonad?
16:24:59 *** nsh changed the topic to: "<sbp> because it's all "which cog fits which sproket with the other reverse flange, and does the gonad counteract the tappet shaft or does the valve distributor emancipate the pragmatic notion of expositionality?""
16:25:00 <melbel> :o
16:25:20 * mahound lols
16:25:30 <melbel> also, clear bandaids are fun :D
16:25:46 <sbp> yeah, you get to squeese the gore and it goes all red
16:25:53 <sbp> what is the nature of your wound?
16:26:07 <zachb> kpreid: awesome!
16:26:07 <phenny> zachb: 07:20Z <Mike_L> tell zachb append this to your program to print a null-terminated string from the stack: P0^4?09-g
16:26:09 <phenny> zachb: 08:06Z <Mike_L> tell zachb 78-char solution to hackvm!!! 048*0^1+0^3*1+0^8+0^6+0^3-99*6+6v4^0^7^3-1^1+5^4-5^59*1-9^6^0^6^8-89*P0^4?09-g
16:26:25 <kpreid> thank you
16:26:29 <melbel> gouged a chunk out of my finger with a toe nail several days ago
16:26:35 <nsh> phenny, tell Mike_L to stop making up numbers
16:26:36 <phenny> nsh: I'll pass that on when Mike_L is around.
16:26:36 <kpreid> h> s "048*0^1+0^3*1+0^8+0^6+0^3-99*6+6v4^0^7^3-1^1+5^4-5^59*1-9^6^0^6^8-89*P0^4?09-g"
16:26:39 <swhask> Not in scope: `s'
16:26:43 <kpreid> h> L.s "048*0^1+0^3*1+0^8+0^6+0^3-99*6+6v4^0^7^3-1^1+5^4-5^59*1-9^6^0^6^8-89*P0^4?09-g"
16:26:48 <swhask> "Hello, Small World!"
16:26:50 <sbp> melbel: what was your foot doing within scope of your hand?
16:26:51 <zachb> Yay
16:27:03 <deltab> melbel: was it your toenail?
16:27:12 <melbel> moving a small sofa to a different room, sbp
16:27:15 <melbel> deltab, yes
16:27:33 <sbp> to move a sofa around, you put your feet in your hands?
16:27:46 <melbel> no
16:27:48 <zachb> h> L.s "048*0^1+0^3*1+0^8+0^6+0^3-99*6+6v4^0^7^3-1^1+5^4-5^59*1-9^6^0^6^8-89*P"
16:27:53 <swhask> Exception: <local>:1:95-431: Non-exhaustive patterns in case
16:29:12 <zachb> odd
16:29:15 <sbp> melbel: ...
16:29:23 <melbel> what?
16:29:33 <sbp> so how did your foot meet with your hand?
16:29:35 <kpreid> zachb: you had some junk at the beginning of the string
16:29:51 <zachb> Dammit, my zwnbsp's!
16:30:15 <sbp> zachb: you did one in an [off] earlier, and it got logged
16:30:17 <melbel> lol I was pulling from the bottom and it went over the transition strip and owwwwww I was bleedin'
16:30:23 <zachb> haha... I don't really care
16:30:49 <zachb> I wonder if it happens in other gnome apps, or just pidgin...
16:30:58 <zachb> Oh I know!
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16:44:17 <zachb> h> L.s "48*0^1+0^3*1+0^8+0^6+0^3-99*6+6v4^0^7^3-1^1+5^4-5^59*1-9^6^0^6^8-89*P0^4?09-g"
16:44:28 <zachb> h> L.s "48*0^1+0^3*1+0^8+0^6+0^3-99*6+6v4^0^7^3-1^1+5^4-5^59*1-9^6^0^6^8-89*P0^4?09-g"
16:45:03 <kpreid> h> 1
16:45:07 <swhask> 1
16:45:14 <kpreid> .u
16:45:14 <phenny> kpreid: You gave me zero length input.
16:45:22 <kpreid> .u h> L.s "4
16:45:22 <phenny> kpreid: U+0068 U+003E U+0020 U+004C U+002E U+0073 U+0020 U+0022 U+0034
16:45:38 <kpreid> h> L.s "48*0^1+0^3*1+0^8+0^6+0^3-99*6+6v4^0^7^3-1^1+5^4-5^59*1-9^6^0^6^8-89*P0^4?09-g"
16:45:42 <swhask> Exception: Prelude.(!!): index too large
16:46:00 <zachb> Basically, the 0 trips the "switch" at the end
16:46:21 <kpreid> well, the JS version doesn't like your program either
16:46:25 <zachb> I know
16:46:43 <zachb> I'm explaining since swhask here isn't that good at debugging
16:47:07 <kpreid> well, I'm not sure whether you're telling me my interpreter has a bug in it or not
16:47:16 <zachb> Oh, no. Sorry.
16:47:21 <kpreid> ok!
16:47:23 <zachb> That was awesome BTW
16:49:15 <zachb> wait
16:49:35 <zachb> instead of being null-terminating, what about being 33-terminating?
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17:40:22 <sbp> .gc "the background noise of antiquity"
17:40:23 <phenny> "the background noise of antiquity": 0
17:40:48 <kpreid> .gc "background nose"
17:40:49 <phenny> "background nose": 1,480
17:40:53 <kpreid> .gc "background annoys"
17:40:54 <phenny> "background annoys": 540
17:40:54 <Monty> 1978
17:41:00 <kpreid> .gc 1978
17:41:01 <phenny> 1978: 318,000,000
17:41:50 <lordi> so should do a graph with the years as x-axis, and the gc of each year in the y-axis
17:42:05 <lordi> so=someone
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18:46:57 <Monty> hey andersfeder
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19:19:52 <cre8radix> heya somonty
19:19:58 <Monty> appreciable incontinent houseing estate gazes at utilising fuzz and colossal mathematical mountains!
19:20:07 <cre8radix> mon ty
19:20:15 <cre8radix> lalamonty
19:20:16 <Monty> wipes Easter.
19:20:20 <cre8radix> aha
19:20:27 <cre8radix> *monty
19:20:30 <Monty> "Watch the cube it work?
19:20:32 <cre8radix> yes
19:20:39 <cre8radix> itta do
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19:33:27 <Monty> Thank goodness, sysfault is back!
19:34:06 <melbel> agreed, Monty
19:34:07 <Monty> nu, phenny help?
19:35:36 <bjoern_> Phenny is not as stupid as you are Monty, she won't help.
19:35:38 <Monty> chewing gum hates news!
19:35:48 <bjoern_> What doesn't.
19:47:05 <Mike_L> zachb: 0-terminated is easier since the '?' has a built-in test for 0
19:47:08 <phenny> Mike_L: 16:26Z <nsh> tell Mike_L to stop making up numbers
19:49:00 <nsh> (re: obfsc haskell code)
19:51:00 <Mike_L> nsh: ?
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19:58:13 <nsh> Mike_L: 99*0^0^0^0^0^9-P45*+0^P7+0^P0^P3+P67*2+P48*P2+P47*+0^0^P43*-P1-0^PP48*P6+P65*+0^P3+0^P6-0^P8-P48*1+P
19:59:00 <nsh> randomly concatenating characters and pretending like they have some kinda meaning under some arcane parsing, not cool to do to hangover guy
19:59:41 <nsh> shit
20:00:05 <nsh> they passed the douglas adams law
20:00:38 <nsh> police in the uk can now make problems disappear at a whim for fourty-two days
20:05:07 <Mike_L> nsh: sorry, zachb and I were trying to find a HackVM program that is 78-characters in length that would print "Hello, Small World!". http://www.hacker.org/hvm/
20:05:23 <Mike_L> nsh: problems?
20:07:15 * nsh smiles
20:07:44 <nsh> HackVM seems kinda like geek sudoku
20:08:02 <nsh> except maybe less productive
20:08:12 <nsh> because sudoku keeps idiots busy
20:08:17 <chris2> virutal, wow
20:08:20 <nsh> and this probably keeps smart people from doing something worthwhile
20:08:32 * nsh chuckles ironically
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20:18:30 <sbp> nsh: DD said it won't make it through the Lords, so it'll come back
20:19:14 <sbp> and there's rumours that the DUP did a deal with Labour, paid in return for voting
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20:23:37 <nsh> splainmore second statement plsto
20:25:07 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7449672.stm
20:25:07 <Monty> remind me any of multiplying no problem in 2D: pi/4
20:25:08 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Northern Ireland | No deal with DUP over bill: Brown
20:25:13 <sbp> nsh: the vote passed by nine votes
20:25:19 <sbp> and the nine DUP members voted for it
20:25:33 <sbp> rumours started going around that the DUP were paid by labour to vote to pass the bill
20:25:44 <sbp> but the DUP and Labour have both denied it, and I don't think there's been any evidence
20:25:49 <sbp> not sure where the rumours came from
20:27:09 <sbp> hmm, looks like the SDLP claim that Labour offered a deal with them
20:27:11 <sbp> but turned them down
20:27:24 <sbp> and I think the article also indicates that in alignment DUP have tended against this sort of thing
20:27:27 <sbp> hence the suspicion
20:27:54 <sbp> not entirely sure I've interpreted that right though
20:29:37 <Mike_L> nsh: yeah HackVM has no practical applications, but it was a fun. It was entertainment and I got a feeling of satisfaction from finding the 78-char solution.
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20:35:22 <sbp> wow, Cech fumbled a save
20:35:24 <sbp> 2-2
20:38:52 <sbp> Turkey now leading 3-2, unbelievable
20:40:09 <sbp> now the Turkish goalkeeper's been sent off
20:40:17 <sbp> and they've got no subs
20:41:46 <chris2> :D
20:43:10 <sbp> one of the people on the bench just got a yellow card
20:43:34 <sbp> 96th minute... whistle!
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20:47:58 <zachb> Mike_L: no, 77
20:48:03 <zachb> you're so close
20:50:29 <nsh> n5h, pleaseto killingbe politiciansall
20:50:30 <n5h> mmm.
20:50:45 <nsh> n5h, don't think about it, ngh, get it done.
20:50:46 <n5h> de - 'completely'? lol monty .
20:50:48 <Monty> also melbel. It's quite some irn bru
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20:52:00 * nsh read as anusfeeder, sry
20:52:29 <nsh> (feel better being honest in these matters)
20:52:40 <deltab> sbp: got a yellow card while on the bench?
20:53:21 <nsh> something about the cut of the jib and not liking thereof
20:53:41 <nsh> (didn't watch, relying on imagination-reality correspondence)
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20:57:00 * bjoern_ wonders who won football this time
20:57:14 <bjoern_> Ah, that explains a lot
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