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08:43:22 <niven.freenode.net> Topic for #swhack is: using all words with reckless abandon
08:43:22 <niven.freenode.net> Users on #swhack: loggy libby KiYanWang Talliesin selggig nsh jeffarch MoiraA cre8radix BigJibby tro _bjoern aspect cskaterun MacTed martianixor xanalogical Arnia eel kpreid dmiles_afk clsn Morbus shepazu JibberJim Guest80044 l3w1s beobal Arn1a thelsdj CaptSolo zachb andreaja bancus sr Louie` Jibbler jsled tav radii tobbez xover nslater Alex Xanthor[aw] freer sbp nelix Jonashdsf deltab n5h JibbyBot trotek Monty wrldpc maxkelley plum earle xavier lisppaste2
08:43:22 <niven.freenode.net> Users on #swhack: dahut procto edsu phenny Tene chandler Mike_L ido
08:43:42 <_bjoern> phenny: tell MoiraA happy birthday!
08:43:43 <phenny> _bjoern: I'll pass that on when MoiraA is around.
08:49:57 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7456891.stm
08:49:59 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Education | Tests make science dull - Ofsted
08:50:11 <sbp> well done ofsted... well done
08:50:24 <sbp> [cue slow clapping]
08:51:02 <nsh> SLOW CLAPPING IS CUED< SIR
08:51:03 * _bjoern signs up for sex ed in britain post the reform.
08:51:14 <nsh> READY TO CLAP ONYAHORDAHSIR
08:51:19 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7457287.stm
08:51:21 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Magazine | 50 office-speak phrases you love to hate
08:51:26 <nsh> CLAPPING WILL COMMENCE FORTHWITH AND POSTHASTE SIT
08:52:05 * sbp guesses the s in nsh stands for Sargeantmajor
08:52:20 <nsh> Don't Number Lists If They Are Not Ordered.
08:52:23 <nsh> stupidheads
08:52:26 <sbp> ahahaha
08:52:27 <sbp> "My employers (top half of FTSE 100) recently informed staff that we are no longer allowed to use the phrase brain storm because it might have negative connotations associated with fits. We must now take idea showers. I think that says it all really."
08:52:42 * nsh smiles
08:52:53 <nsh> methinks this list recyclated is
08:53:26 <sbp> "Once, when I mentioned problems with the phone system, she screamed 'NO! You don't have problems, you have challenges'. At which point I almost lost the will to live."
08:53:37 <sbp> probably, but everything is funnier on BBC News
08:54:36 <nsh> that's certainly truesir
08:54:40 <nsh> wouldn't arguesir
08:54:55 <nsh> nosir; repect the authoritysir, i dosir
08:55:06 <nsh> chain'a'commandsir
08:55:14 <sbp> "The expression that drives me nuts is 110%, usually said to express passion/commitment/support by people who are not very good at maths. This has created something of a cliche-inflation, where people are now saying 120%, 200%, or if you are really REALLY committed, 500%."
08:55:22 <nsh> {!}
08:55:40 <sbp> apropos of the current news, which is that inflation has risen
08:55:46 <_bjoern> {BANG!}
08:56:37 <nsh> {EVERYTHING COOLER IN BRACES}
08:57:34 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7456357.stm
08:57:35 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Technology | Blogger arrests hit record high
08:57:52 <nsh> HOLYSHITMYDISSENT
08:57:58 <nsh> QUASHEDITIS
08:58:42 <sbp> {IN BRACKETSPEAK PLZ}
08:59:22 <nsh> {HUMANS TOO SUSPECTIBLE TO MEMEVASION>>>MAKES ME HATE}
08:59:40 <sbp> {THIS ISN'T A MEME IT'S A TROPE}
09:00:13 <nsh> {I WAS THE REFER TO ABOVE REPORT>>IS STOOPID}
09:00:23 <sbp> {ôK LOL}
09:00:33 <nsh> whole concept of blog is stupid :-/
09:00:49 <sbp> "[maths teachers] are to be retrained as sums specialists" - overheard on BBC News...
09:00:55 <nsh> it's just a reference fashioned into existant without a referant
09:00:57 <sbp> sums specialists
09:01:02 <sbp> .gc "sums specialists"
09:01:03 <phenny> "sums specialists": 4
09:01:09 <sbp> sums specialists
09:01:24 <sbp> what the heck is a Duffy?
09:01:38 <nsh> .gd Duffy
09:01:39 <phenny> Duffy: Photographer for the ALADDIN SANE (1973) album cover. He was one of Tony DeFries clients. It is said that the idea for the lightning flash on the ...
09:01:44 <sbp> man, the news is way the suck today
09:01:50 <_bjoern> does js define execution order for a.pop().b( a.pop(), a.pop() ) ?
09:01:55 <nsh> news is the distract
09:01:56 <sbp> it has much suck with it
09:02:23 <nsh> _bjoern, find out with the power of try
09:02:29 <_bjoern> nu
09:02:39 <sbp> {POWER OF TRY}
09:03:45 * sbp watches the USD GBP exchange rate ticker
09:03:49 <sbp> 1.9576
09:03:51 <sbp> 1.9579
09:03:53 <sbp> 1.9578
09:03:54 <sbp> 1.9580
09:03:56 <sbp> 1.9578
09:03:58 <sbp> 1.9576
09:04:01 <sbp> 1.9579
09:04:02 <cre8radix> tada
09:04:02 <sbp> 1.9578
09:04:04 <sbp> 1.9579
09:04:05 <_bjoern> js magix for second-to-last-element-of-array?
09:04:08 <sbp> 1.9584
09:04:09 <sbp> 1.9579
09:04:14 <sbp> funs
09:04:32 <_bjoern> .g second to last
09:04:32 <sbp> _bjoern: a[-2]?
09:04:34 <phenny> _bjoern: http://attrition.org/misc/stl.html
09:04:34 <_bjoern> .title
09:04:35 <phenny> _bjoern: Second To Last page on the Internet
09:04:39 <_bjoern> Tried, no worx
09:04:42 <sbp> bumz
09:04:45 <_bjoern> yah
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09:06:25 <_bjoern> There is always a[a.length - 2] but I was thinking there might be a more sensible option?
09:06:53 <sbp> .ety auspice
09:06:54 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "auspice". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=auspice
09:06:55 <sbp> .ety auspices
09:06:56 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "auspices". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=auspices
09:07:04 <sbp> sux
09:07:33 <sbp> .ety auspicious
09:07:34 <phenny> "1596 (implied in auspiciously), 'of good omen,' from L. auspicium 'divination by observing the flight of birds,' from auspex (gen. auspicis) 'augur,' lit. 'one who takes signs from the flight of birds,' from PIE *awi-spek- 'observer of birds,' from *awi- 'bird' + [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=auspicious
09:12:43 <_bjoern> JS> var a = [1,2,3];
09:12:43 <_bjoern> JS> a.push([a.pop(), a.pop()]);
09:12:43 <_bjoern> 2
09:12:43 <_bjoern> JS> a
09:12:43 <_bjoern> 1,3,2
09:12:44 <_bjoern> JS> a.push([a.pop(), a.pop()]);
09:12:46 <_bjoern> 1
09:12:48 <_bjoern> JS> a
09:12:50 <_bjoern> 3,2,1
09:12:52 <_bjoern> JS> a.push([a.pop(), a.pop()]);
09:12:54 <_bjoern> 1
09:12:56 <_bjoern> JS> a
09:12:58 <_bjoern> 3,2,1,
09:13:00 <_bjoern> JS> a.push([a.pop(), a.pop()]);
09:13:02 <_bjoern> 1
09:13:04 <_bjoern> JS> a
09:13:06 <_bjoern> 3,2,1,,
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09:29:27 <Monty> welcome, mmmmmrob
09:32:01 <nsh> .wik TSA
09:32:01 <phenny> "Technology Student Association, an international organization of students and educators" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSA
09:32:23 <nsh> .wik Transport Security Administration
09:32:25 <phenny> "The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is a U.S. government agency that was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act passed by the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush on November 19, 2001." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration
09:54:20 <deltab> _bjoern: python has a[-2], but js doesn't
09:54:45 <deltab> it does have .slice though
09:55:24 <deltab> also, you should use a.toSource to see those arrays properly
09:55:25 <_bjoern> but slice extracts
09:55:36 <_bjoern> toSource is mozilla only
09:55:53 <deltab> so?
09:56:05 <_bjoern> I was using KJS above.
09:56:11 <deltab> ah
09:56:19 <_bjoern> funnily toSource is the only thing marked Non-standard in http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference:Global_Objects:Array
09:57:11 <deltab> I can see that it's using left-to-right execution in your tests
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10:11:29 <_bjoern> A proper test for that would be more like
10:11:32 <_bjoern> function div(a,b) { return a / b }
10:11:32 <_bjoern> var a = [1,0];
10:11:32 <_bjoern> div(a.pop(), a.pop());
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10:12:49 <deltab> the array's being built left to right as the values are popped
10:31:09 <nsh> .ety regail
10:31:10 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "regail". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=regail
10:31:14 <nsh> LIES
10:31:27 <nsh> .ety regale
10:31:28 <phenny> "1656, from Fr. régaler 'to entertain or feast,' from O.Fr. rigale, from gale 'merriment,' from galer 'make merry' (see gallant)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=regale
10:36:04 <nsh> .ety dulcet
10:36:05 <phenny> "1398, from O.Fr. doucet, dim. of doux 'sweet,' from L. dulcis, from PIE *dlk-wi-, suffixed form of root *dlk-u- 'sweet.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=dulcet
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10:45:36 <sbp> .gc "He believes in No-God, and he worships him"
10:45:37 <phenny> "He believes in No-God, and he worships him": 69
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10:56:33 <sbp> --
10:56:33 <sbp> The nap time rain
10:56:33 <sbp> sings lullabies
10:56:33 <sbp> And throws all kinds
10:56:33 <sbp> of flowers on your head
10:56:34 <sbp> shimmering stars
10:56:36 <sbp> and rainbows
10:56:38 <sbp> -- Jessica Mozes (age 7)
11:00:40 <nsh> sweet
11:02:47 <nsh> .ety revelry
11:02:48 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "revelry". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=revelry
11:04:23 * nslater wibbles
11:06:49 <sbp> yo
11:06:58 <nslater> how's it cracking sbp
11:07:13 <sbp> reading lots of miscellaneous books about the art of poetry
11:07:17 <sbp> for much wins
11:07:52 <nsh> quiteyes
11:07:57 * nsh just wrote some prose
11:08:04 <sbp> show pls
11:08:13 <nsh> lisppaste2, url?
11:08:13 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
11:09:06 <lisppaste2> nsh pasted "teh wordflow" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62366
11:09:53 * nsh mentally s/so as sanity/that sanity/
11:11:39 <nslater> nsh: where is the rest of it? :(
11:11:41 <nsh> gots to go electrophoresificate stuffs
11:11:48 <nsh> is still in brainpancake
11:11:55 <nslater> oh, okay, cool
11:12:06 <sbp> what is it?
11:12:37 <nsh> it's just wooooorrrrddds man
11:12:59 <nslater> I have been poluted by freud, I read "gorgonesquely knotted twine" and my brain was trying to link castration or erection with the act of knotting, or otherwise manipulating, twine, and failing
11:13:13 <nsh> .wik gorgon knot
11:13:16 <phenny> "God-q — Maya mythology — (wp gwp g | eb 1911 co en gct sw)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/Hotlist_of_Mythology_&_Folklore/G3
11:13:29 <nsh> hrmm
11:13:34 <nsh> *Gordianesquely
11:13:41 <nsh> that isn't so cromulent a word
11:13:41 <Monty> np
11:13:44 <nslater> .wik Medusa's Head
11:13:44 <phenny> "Medusa's Head (1922), by Sigmund Freud" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medusa's_Head
11:13:58 <sbp> does it do any tricks?
11:14:20 <nslater> .wik Gordian
11:14:21 <phenny> "Saint Gordianus, see article Gordianus and Epimachus" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian
11:14:24 <nslater> .wik Gordian knot
11:14:24 <phenny> "The Gordian Knot is a legend associated with Alexander the Great." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_knot
11:14:53 <sbp> .wik Gorgon
11:14:54 <phenny> "In Greek mythology, the Gorgon (Greek: Γοργών or Γοργώ, transl." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon
11:15:08 <sbp> translfail
11:16:03 <sbp> phenny: reload *
11:16:07 <phenny> sbp: done
11:16:07 <sbp> .wik Gorgon
11:16:08 <Monty> IHR KÖNNT NACH HAUSE FAHRN, IHR KÖNNT NACH HAUSE FAHRN, IHR KÖNNT NACH HAUSE FAHRN. Zum Glück ists net weit heim für die.
11:16:11 <nslater> haha, love it, the guy solves a puzzle by destroying the puzzle, not exactly rocket science
11:16:11 <phenny> "In Greek mythology, the Gorgon (Greek: Γοργών or Γοργώ, transl. Gorgon or Gorgo, 'terrible' or, according to some, 'loud-roaring') was a vicious female monster with sharp fangs who was a protective deity from early religious concepts." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon
11:20:24 <sbp> nsh: try working the word transperidential into it
11:20:49 <sbp> man, there are so many words. words for ting
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11:22:30 <Monty> _bjoern: You asked me to remind you to <phenny> _bjoern: 15 Jun 07:34Z <xover> tell _bjoern <http://swhack.com/logs/2008-06-15#T07-24-03>.
11:24:05 <_bjoern> Monty, remind me in 24 hours to <phenny> _bjoern: 15 Jun 07:34Z <xover> tell _bjoern <http://swhack.com/logs/2008-06-15#T07-24-03>.
11:24:05 <Monty> _bjoern: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Wed Jun 18 12:25:55 BST 2008
11:26:52 <sbp> phenny: tell nsh http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=172020 - by a modernist in response to T.S. Eliot, wanting to write modernist things about more than emptiness. funny that modernism is now coming up to a century old
11:26:53 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nsh is around.
11:27:27 <sbp> .dict corymbulous
11:27:35 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no definition found.
11:27:39 <sbp> .ety corymbulous
11:27:50 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "corymbulous". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=corymbulous
11:27:51 <cre8radix> _bjoern: http://cre8radix.net/audio/radio_sickurity.wav
11:28:05 <cre8radix> teh schäubletten add
11:33:34 <nslater> clsn: do you run the swhackmap? it's b0rken
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11:44:29 <nslater> hehe, just got an email:
11:44:31 <nslater> Subject: Attention: Dear Prominent User of the Internet
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11:45:03 <nslater> programs. All participants were selected randomly from World Wide Web site Through
11:45:06 <nslater> computer draw system.
11:45:22 <nslater> Due to your effort, using internet programs indoor and in your office,We want
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11:45:25 <nslater> assist your in getting your compensation check across to you.
11:45:43 <nslater> ... wow, finally, someone is compensating me for using internet programs indoor, and in my office
11:46:21 <sbp> don't answer it, it might be a scam
11:46:42 <nslater> oh, shit, ive already replies :/
11:46:55 <sbp> send a retraction to your reply
11:47:03 <nslater> oh, okay
11:47:33 <nslater> shame, all those time's ive been using this word internet programs, I was expecting a payout sooner or later :(
11:48:41 <mahound> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcDshWmhF4A
11:48:43 <phenny> mahound: YouTube - Marble adding machine
11:51:04 <sbp> “
11:51:04 <sbp> The Limits of Eroticism in Post-petrarchan Narrative”
11:51:53 <nslater> .wik petrarchan
11:51:56 <phenny> "Petrarchan (also Petrarchanism, Petrarchian) - Refers to a concept of unattainable love first developed by Italian humanist and writer, Francesco Petrarch." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrarchan
11:55:29 <sbp> .gc Hobbinol
11:55:32 <phenny> Hobbinol: 7,370
11:57:38 <nsh> guy likes to namedrop
11:57:39 <phenny> nsh: 11:26Z <sbp> tell nsh http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=172020 - by a modernist in response to T.S. Eliot, wanting to write modernist things about more than emptiness. funny that modernism is now coming up to a century old
11:58:08 <nsh> .wik Onkelos
11:58:38 <phenny> "Onkelos (אונקלוס) is the name of a famous convert to Judaism in Talmudic times (c.35-120 CE)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkelos
11:58:41 <sbp> .gc maybower
11:58:43 <phenny> maybower: 217
12:00:05 <nsh> .ety penitentiary
12:00:07 <phenny> "c.1421, 'place of punishment for offenses against the church,' from M.L. penitentiaria, from fem. of penitentiarius (adj.) 'of penance,' from L. pænitentia 'penitence' (see penitence)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=penitentiary
12:03:03 <sbp> .wik Martin Guerre
12:03:04 <phenny> "Martin Guerre, a French peasant of the 16th century, was at the center of a famous case of imposture." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Guerre
12:03:53 <nsh> should be infamous
12:04:08 <nsh> Infamous Case of Imposture sounds like an awesome malt whisky
12:04:24 <nsh> fuckit, i'm gonna go into the whisky business
12:04:53 <sbp> concentrate nsh
12:06:28 <nslater> n5h concentrate, sounds yummy
12:06:29 <n5h> ult.?
12:09:23 <nsh> n5h: DOES NOT DILUTE>>
12:09:24 <n5h> dick. interesting.
12:09:40 <nsh> n5h, you keep droppin' those hints, buddy
12:09:41 <n5h> was spin good? i'm between scifi. cool. hrm. why is everyone talking about nature's helmet for the element in my me.
12:09:51 <nsh> hmm
12:10:01 <nsh> why *is* everyone talking about nature's helmet?
12:10:18 <sbp> for the benefit of the element in your you
12:10:21 <nslater> dunno n5h, sounds kinkeh
12:10:22 <n5h> up is down, black is white, eh.
12:12:13 <nsh> n5h, what's candid then?
12:12:14 <n5h> best sentence fragment of today's reading: "would have required as prerequisites mastery of an engineer's usage.
12:12:30 <sbp> pfft
12:12:48 <sbp> my favourite so far is:
12:12:50 <sbp> "you abominable pair of stinkards"
12:12:53 <sbp> (Ben Jonson)
12:13:53 <sbp> I wonder if Ben Jonson and Leadbelly would've got on?
12:14:26 <nsh> Ben Johnson++
12:14:55 <sbp> this is good too:
12:14:56 <sbp> **
12:14:57 <sbp> No cheating Clim o’ the Cloughs or Claribels,
12:14:57 <sbp> That look as big as five-and-fifty, and flush;
12:14:57 <sbp> And spit out secrets like hot custard——
12:14:58 <sbp> **
12:15:07 <sbp> so I looked up the source of the name "Claribel", mythology or what?
12:15:13 <sbp> and it seems that Spenser invented it
12:15:21 <sbp> early users were Jonson and Shakespeare
12:15:26 <sbp> so that's kinda interesting
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12:17:16 <sbp> and now I'm reading bits of Montaigne
12:17:29 <sbp> as you do
12:20:53 <nslater> .wik Montaigne
12:20:57 <phenny> "Michel Eyquem de Montaigne (French pronounced [miʃɛl ekɛm də mɔ̃tɛɲ]) (February 28, 1533–September 13, 1592) was one of the most influential writers of the French Renaissance." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montaigne
12:21:20 <sbp> freaky story about Origen:
12:21:21 <sbp> [[[
12:21:21 <sbp> Upon which, let us say this by-the-by, that we deal well with a man of conscience, when we propose to him some difficulty in counterpoise of the vice; but when we shut him up between two vices, he is put to a hard choice: as Origen was, either to idolatrize, or to suffer himself to be carnally abused by a great Ethiopian slave they brought to him.
12:21:27 <sbp> ]]] - Montaigne
12:21:48 <mahound> "carnally abused"
12:25:01 <sbp> [[[
12:25:01 <sbp> Nature discovers this confusion to us; painters hold that the same motions and screwings of the face that serve for weeping, serve for laughter too; and indeed, before the one or the other be finished, do but observe the painter’s manner of handling, and you will be in doubt to which of the two the design tends; and the extreme of laughter does, at last bring tears.
12:25:03 <sbp> ]]] - M
12:27:07 * sbp listens to Chopin's Nocturne No.9—it's like a strange dream
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12:53:01 <sbp> yo jeffarch
12:53:11 <jeffarch> aloha
12:55:07 <jeffarch> that's the haps?
12:55:15 <jeffarch> s/that/what
12:55:33 <jeffarch> ugh...haven't had coffee yet
12:56:51 <sbp> haps: Petrarch, Hobbinol, Onkelos, Martin Guerre, Jonson, Claribel, Montaigne, Chopin
12:56:51 <Monty> s/that/what
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12:58:33 <jeffarch> heheh
12:58:50 <jeffarch> quite a selection/range
12:59:56 <sbp> mmm... tafting
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13:03:21 <clsn> nslater: yes, swhackmap is mine. that it's b0rken was not known to me, but not really surprising either.
13:05:11 * nsh carnally abuses n5h
13:05:12 <n5h> google is suprisingly ephemeral. you just get another decss debacle. i'm constantly amazed that the defendant's action "is, was.
13:05:28 <nsh> n5h, leave bill alone
13:05:29 <n5h> and just talk outa our arseholes. like everyone else seems to. nah, have you considered alternatives?
13:05:36 <nsh> haha
13:06:11 <nsh> n5h, if i had some rubber hose i'd try talking _into_ my arsehole
13:06:12 <n5h> you knew a girl who once asked in all the resources can consistently miss the point being that the probablistic interpretation more intuitive, but that page links to all particular compound principles. to dispel any doubt about this, i say that x creates entropy. which you learn stuff.
13:06:49 <clsn> sbp: ref. http://www.mcglaun.com/thru_night.htm translations of a well-known Welsh lullaby. You're a Welsh geek too, what do you think. I had read the line "golau arall yw tywyllwch" differently than he does in that page.
13:06:57 <nsh> .gs i knew this girl once who *
13:06:59 <phenny> i knew this girl once who *: had (7), was (5), got (3), went (2), typed (2), couldn (2)
13:07:06 <nsh> .gs i knew this girl once who had *
13:07:08 <phenny> i knew this girl once who had *: a ton, a spot)
13:07:26 * nsh is tempted to make moar workier gs
13:07:34 <clsn> How do you understand it, yourself?
13:14:59 <clsn> nslater: could be that swhackmap is b0rken only because there was nothing said by anybody in the swhack logs of 06/16. Not a situation it is accustomed to dealing with.
13:15:51 <sbp> clsn: darkness is another light?
13:16:19 <clsn> Yeah, that's how I read it.
13:16:33 <nsh> .ety abberation
13:16:34 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "abberation". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=abberation
13:16:37 <nsh> .ety aberration
13:16:38 <phenny> "1594, 'a wandering, straying,' from L. aberrationem, from aberrare 'go astray,' from ab- 'away' + errare 'to wander' (see err)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=aberration
13:16:41 <clsn> He reads it as "other light is really darkness". It's an interesting matter right there; a matter of topic vs focus.
13:17:38 <clsn> After all, the "is" copula is sort of an equals sign, and equality is commutative. But not really. It doesn't really work that way.
13:17:54 <clsn> It's a question of which is the new information and which is the old.
13:18:04 <nsh> how spell lacksadaisy?
13:18:27 <sbp> it'd be useless to rely on my reading given that my Welsh is very weak
13:18:34 <sbp> but it does seem fairly clear
13:18:42 <sbp> unless it's some kind of idiom or whatever
13:19:08 <clsn> Maybe, but if it's an idiom it would arise from this poem I would think, not predate it.
13:19:37 <clsn> Welsh "X yw Y" sentences tend to put the "subject", the new information (I think that's topic?) in the Y position.
13:21:09 <clsn> nsh: I generally don't spell lacksadaisy. Do you mean lackadaisical? Which I might not be spelling right either?
13:22:05 <sbp> funny how I naturally read it as being so
13:22:20 <sbp> not that I'm unfamiliar with Welsh though; so it might've seeped into my subconscious
13:22:55 <clsn> Yeah, I'm not 100% sure I didn't read it someplace else first either.
13:24:13 <nsh> yeah
13:24:23 <sbp> funny too how the best metaphysics is to be found in nursery rhymes and so on
13:24:27 <sbp> Chesterton was right!
13:24:29 <nsh> i'd prefer if it was lacksadaisy
13:24:34 <nsh> that's a prettier word
13:24:48 <nsh> but appparantly, just lackadaisy or lackadaisical
13:24:52 <sbp> phenny: en fr "without daisy"?
13:24:54 <phenny> sbp: "sans Daisy" (en to fr, translate.google.com)
13:25:01 <clsn> Another interesting Welsh whosamawhatsis I noticed... Well, start with English. If "nth" is the ordinal form of "n", what is the ordinal form of "n+1"
13:25:46 <sbp> sansastér?
13:26:06 <sbp> clsn: depends?
13:26:07 <clsn> margueriteless?
13:26:26 <sbp> 20th -> 21st
13:26:27 <clsn> I would say "n plus first", even though that strikes people odd the first time they hear it.
13:26:38 <sbp> oh. I see
13:26:40 <clsn> Yeah. 21st, hundred and first, etc.
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13:27:05 <clsn> Some say "n plus one-th" but that's silly... n plus first, n plus second, n plus third...
13:27:06 <sbp> so it's cardinal first bit then ordinal second... hmm
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13:27:29 <sbp> so what do we say about the transfinites? :-)
13:27:45 <clsn> So, I would have expected the sixteenth century in Welsh to be "y cyntaf ganrif ar bymtheg". I think.
13:28:00 <clsn> And yet in the book I was looking at, it's "yr unfed ganrif ar bymtheg"
13:28:33 <clsn> Couldn't find an example for 17th or 18th right away, so couldn't check those.
13:30:12 <clsn> IIRC, transfinites have all kinds of weirdass distinctions in cardinal vs ordinal...
13:32:58 <sbp> yeah, that's why I was thinking the linguistics of it might be funsome
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13:34:35 <clsn> wherein cardinal aleph0 + 1 = aleph0, whereas ordinal ω+1 != ω or something... I forget the details.
13:37:48 <clsn> phenny, "llévate esa cabeza y se las echas en medio del senado"?
13:37:49 <phenny> clsn: "Take that and they'll head in the middle of the senate" (es to en, translate.google.com)
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13:57:49 <nslater> clsn: what? no one said anything on the 16th? thats not true
13:58:39 <nslater> n5h!
13:58:39 <n5h> cg?
13:58:43 <nslater> n5h, oi
13:58:44 <n5h> simply to see what you writing about aeonite? oh. while i had my dinner, secretery to the root window. that'd be interesting.
13:58:56 <nslater> n5h: sounds it
13:58:57 <n5h> my liver does that.
13:59:03 <nslater> n5h: ouch!
13:59:04 <n5h> enlighten me :-). interestingly this log appears in colour relief. very hard to even think that sums up university education. is there a difference between normals to the cascade of information scarcity now that it's possible for websites to open any new connections.
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14:01:58 <clsn> nslater: That may be so, but the LOGS don't show anyone talking on the 16th. See for yourself. I think loggy was home with a hangover or something.
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14:02:25 <nslater> aaah
14:02:35 <nslater> yeah, me and loggy and a mad night out!
14:02:38 <nslater> me, loggy and n5h
14:02:39 <n5h> sleep well. would ask in #there if i think it can appear that another person's or an entirely fake limb is onesown.
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14:34:03 <nsh> HATE
14:34:15 <nsh> n5h, make it stop rainin please. p.s. kill all the idiots
14:34:16 <n5h> well, suffolk doesn't have any luck with finding the etymology of puerile? @dict gcide parsimonious. @dict gcide recension.
14:34:34 <nsh> .gd recension
14:34:34 <phenny> recension: Stem. The process of preparing a family tree or stemma of manuscripts. The first step in traditional stemmatics.
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14:38:22 <nslater> yo n5h
14:38:23 <n5h> oh man. classic. i just lost the key.
14:38:50 <nslater> .swhack does this work yet
14:38:51 <phenny> nslater: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
14:39:08 <nslater> cherry
14:39:11 <Guest80044> similarly.
14:39:16 <nslater> o_O
14:39:42 <nslater> if anyone wants to tell me how my bot was forced to change nick, would be much pleased, kthx
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14:46:40 <Monty> yo chrisb!
14:50:51 <nslater> can any one think of a nice way to remove all utf-8 control characters from a string?
14:50:54 <nslater> (in python)
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14:54:27 <sbp> [[[
14:54:27 <sbp> "I was walking about in Cambridge," he remarked in 1930, "and passed a bookshop, and in the window were portraits of Russell, Freud, and Einstein. A little further on, in a music shop, I saw portraits of Beethoven, Schubert and Chopin. Comparing these portraits I felt intensely the terrible degeneration that had come over the human spirit in the course of only a hundred years" (RR 112)
14:54:31 <sbp> ]]] - on Wittgenstein
14:54:56 <nslater> ha
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14:54:59 <sbp> nslater: unicode control characters you mean?
14:55:31 <sbp> unicodedata.category can tell you if a char is a control character or not
14:55:49 <sbp> might be best to make one huge regexp of them all and do an re.sub
14:56:12 <nslater> hmm
14:56:30 <nslater> well, nm, ive moved onto another project now :)
14:56:31 <Monty> Yeah, I'm doing when I forget the phone seems to. nah, have to do an equals sign, and 15 cent/ 9 cent / mb) and which you notice an entirely fake limb is accustomed to him.
14:56:41 <nslater> o_O
14:57:02 * Morbus obsessively downloads every billboard year-end chart and listens to them.
14:57:07 <Morbus> NP: 'Thank God I'm A Country Boy' from John Denver's album 'Billboard Top 100 Of 1975'; Rating: 4/5; http://longboredsurfer.com/charts.php?year=1975
15:00:02 <jsled> Great song.
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15:20:19 <Morbus> NP: '(Hey Wont You Play) Another Somebody Done Somebody Wrong Song' from BJ Thomas's album 'Billboard Top 100 Of 1975'; Rating: 4/5; http://longboredsurfer.com/charts.php?year=1975
15:20:56 <melbel> mmm good song
15:21:23 <Morbus> yeah.
15:21:26 <Morbus> i like a little bit of everything.
15:21:31 <Morbus> http://www.disobey.com/d/lists/albums ;)
15:22:42 <melbel> "This automation is only possible because Morbus is insane..."
15:23:02 * Morbus waves cheerfully.
15:23:04 <nslater> oooh, love 2 many djs
15:27:17 <nsh> SPACEPLUMBING CATASTROPHE
15:27:19 <plum> people will love it, many many moons it worked iirc. lol
15:28:04 <nslater> plum, i am removing your chatter module soon, I just dont find you funny anymore, not after I met n5h, im sorry. it isnt you, it's me. :(
15:28:05 <n5h> hmm..
15:28:07 <plum> because i am talking about it, am just that intense. lmao
15:29:08 <nslater> plum: you could always hit on n5h to try to poison the love-well
15:29:09 <n5h> no-one invented a race of imaginary creatures called "floopies. of course bottom up ones. which allow small groups and communities to use them. perigrin, usually the legislative brance will include some legalese definition in mind.
15:29:13 <plum> n5h, tell us moar about this fabled erotic thing you have done. ceiling college watches you masturbate. wanna have cybersex?
15:29:13 <n5h> in the novel, the language of web pages, instead of, i don't think so.
15:41:00 <nsh> .wik introception
15:41:02 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "introception".
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15:59:41 <nsh> .wik Phylactery
15:59:42 <phenny> "Phylactery, Greek term for tefillin, leather boxes worn on the arm and head during certain Jewish services" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylactery
16:01:22 <mahound> wow, wine 1.0 was released today
16:03:09 <mahound> the science of software release cycles will never be the same again
16:03:10 <Monty> yeah.
16:04:21 <nsh> yeahyeahyeah, Montykins
16:04:22 <Monty> howdy everybody
16:04:30 <nsh> harro Monty
16:04:30 <Monty> wuuite
16:07:29 <chandler> where's mah firefox 3.0 1.0?
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16:37:28 <mahound> chandler: 23 min left
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16:38:31 * mahound puts on his party hat
16:38:53 <nslater> .yi
16:38:54 <phenny> Not yet...
16:40:07 <mahound> .yi?
16:40:27 <nslater> .g tavtime
16:40:30 <phenny> nslater: http://wiki.espians.com/Tavtime
16:56:57 <MoiraA> hello
16:56:57 <phenny> MoiraA: 08:41Z <sbp> tell MoiraA happy birthday!
16:56:58 <phenny> MoiraA: 08:43Z <_bjoern> tell MoiraA happy birthday!
16:57:16 <MoiraA> heh!
16:57:19 <MoiraA> how cool
16:57:30 <MoiraA> what a great channel greeting
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17:06:56 <nslater> woah, it's a wild Arnia!
17:07:57 <Arnia> Is that better or worse than a wild card or a wild boar?
17:08:18 <nslater> worse than a wild card, better than a wild boar, more on par with a wild badger
17:08:35 <Arnia> boing and herft
17:08:38 <phenny> Arnia: 14 Jun 16:07Z <sbp> ask Arnia whether TT deals with or leverages collocations somehow
17:08:39 <phenny> Er...
17:08:40 <phenny> Arnia: 14 Jun 16:07Z <sbp> ask Arnia whether TT deals with or leverages collocations somehow
17:08:52 <nslater> Er...
17:09:10 <Morbus> so, ff3 is out, huh?
17:09:13 <Morbus> sites been destroyed.
17:09:20 <nslater> hmm?
17:09:29 <Morbus> site's down, hammered, whatever.
17:09:32 <Arnia> sbp: collocations of what sort? Lexical collocations? And what purpose?
17:09:33 <nslater> how come?
17:09:34 <Morbus> apparently came out "ten minutes ago"
17:09:49 <Morbus> nslater: the firefox people wanted to get into the guiness book for most downloads on a single day.
17:09:52 <mahound> Morbus: complete chaos
17:09:57 <Morbus> so they promoted the fuck out of the stupid thing, with pledges.
17:10:05 <Morbus> and now their site is dead. cos they're idiotic fucks.
17:10:30 <mahound> <CoJaBo> Is there a record for largest DDoS triggered by a record-setting attempt?
17:10:42 <Morbus> ahahah
17:10:48 <Morbus> that's great.
17:10:55 <nslater> am I the only one who doesnt give a shit about FF3?
17:11:05 <Morbus> i don't give a shit to rush out and get it.
17:11:07 <Morbus> but i'll get it, sure.
17:11:14 <Morbus> it's my primary browser.
17:11:21 <nslater> oh, ill get it, when it comes through apt
17:11:21 <mahound> same
17:11:33 <nslater> but im not in a rush to install OMG NIGHTLY BUILDS
17:11:37 <Morbus> heh. right.
17:11:48 <Morbus> i ran the RCs on my non-primary machine.
17:12:35 <_bjoern> wtf Firefox does not support Attr.appendChild?
17:12:59 * Arnia will be sticking with Safari
17:13:59 <mahound> webkit ftw
17:14:58 <Morbus> i only use safari for testing.
17:14:59 <Arnia> Or if I decide Safari doesn't do enough then I'll hack together my own browser using the lovely Cocoa APIs
17:15:12 <Morbus> it's a good browser, but there are plenty of firefox extensions i've come to love.
17:15:25 <Arnia> (unlikely, since I don't demand much from a browser)
17:26:10 <chandler> Arnia: tried OmniWeb?
17:26:34 <chandler> heh. FF download site is down. FIREFAIL
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17:32:34 <sbp> Arnia: what's the difference between lexical and non-lexical (semantic?) collocations? and the purpose is what I was asking you for. if E_TOOVAGUE, feel free to dismiss!
17:34:04 <Arnia> Well, co-location is one means posited for learning associations
17:34:05 <sbp> lols at Firefox downage
17:34:16 <Arnia> Lexical co-location would amount to learning syntax
17:34:26 <Arnia> Semantic co-location to the induction of rules
17:34:32 <sbp> Arnia: why do lexical co-locations occur, then?
17:35:01 <Arnia> Ok, let me check what you mean by co-location :)
17:35:22 <sbp> .wik Collocation
17:35:24 <phenny> "Within the area of corpus linguistics, collocation is defined as a sequence of words or terms which co-occur more often than would be expected by chance." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collocation
17:35:50 <sbp> the fact that you can say "flock of sheep" but not "*flock of cows"
17:38:01 <Arnia> oh, good. That's what I thought :)
17:38:50 <Arnia> Well, lexical co-locations occur because of syntax (common sequences of lexical forms called 'constructions') and because of semantics (certain concepts forming meaningful relationships under certain constructions)
17:39:23 <sbp> is flock of sheep a syntactic or a semantic co-location?
17:39:30 <Arnia> Separating the two forms is difficult, and I'm unsure whether it is meaningful to do so. I don't actually believe anymore in pure syntax independent of other parts of cognition
17:40:00 <Arnia> Bit of both... there is convention (sheep come in flocks, cows come in herds) which is mostly syntactic
17:40:36 <Arnia> However the fact that you can still understand flock of cows but not flock of runnings indicates some semantic co-location
17:40:53 <sbp> hmm
17:41:41 <Arnia> This is one of the reasons I don't believe in syntactic independence. It is more a graduated scale of more form-like associations and more meaning-like associations
17:41:54 <sbp> so I was wondering whether it would be possible to use this in TT, but I'm not really sure what class of usage I was thinking about. I mean, TT is for extraction of facts and purposes... I suppose I was thinking about detecting when things have been violated and why
17:41:55 <Arnia> But contributions to the veracity of a given association come from both sides
17:42:28 <Arnia> TT isn't based on construction grammars remember; the notion of co-location isn't easy to define in that situation
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17:43:10 <sbp> oh, I thought it was more of an observational thing
17:43:19 <sbp> didn't know it was heavily linked to theory
17:43:36 <Arnia> It can do semantic co-location (through the understanding agents) but not syntactic (which is treated in an X-Bar syntax fashion, where linear close-ness isn't modelled)
17:43:44 <sbp> so I figured that anything sufficiently advanced which dealt with natural language would need knowledge of co-locations, just like it'll need to know about idioms
17:44:02 <Arnia> It is observational, but the moment you want to interpret what co-location means you need a model
17:44:11 <sbp> I see
17:44:18 <Arnia> If for no other reason than to define the data-structures available to work with
17:44:27 <Arnia> Hm
17:44:34 <sbp> what interested me is that it's hovering between the extremes of fossilised idiom and free expressions
17:44:46 <Arnia> I suppose TT could do it... although it wouldn't be part of the existing X-Bar syntax processor
17:44:47 <sbp> so there's the possibility that you *can* say things like flock of cows
17:45:03 <Arnia> It keeps parse nodes around, with lexical positioning information
17:45:13 <sbp> now in the flock of cows example that's not very useful, but I wonder if we use unexpected co-locations, co-location breaking, as a general trope
17:45:37 <sbp> (note that I'm mainly admitting of ignorance here)
17:46:23 <Arnia> I think it is a trope
17:46:49 <Arnia> I also think it is an important process in language change — it causes novel associations to be invoked
17:47:02 <sbp> hmm, interesting
17:47:10 <sbp> reminds me that Shakespeare coined as many idioms as words
17:47:13 <Arnia> By using the phrase 'flock of cows' you are partially invoking an association between cows and sheep along the join of flocking behaviour
17:47:24 <sbp> very good idiom coiner. but I wonder if anyone's counted his co-location coinages!
17:47:50 <sbp> right. it suddenly makes the cows seem light and fluffy...
17:47:54 <sbp> mmm... fluffy cows
17:48:35 <Arnia> What is more, these are chaotic
17:49:01 <sbp> chaotic?
17:49:03 <Arnia> As in, accidental co-location caused by competition due to myriad stimuli will cause entirely creative (non-deductive) associations
17:49:24 <sbp> got a more fully worked out example of that?
17:49:33 <sbp> (e_exampledemand, I know, sorry...)
17:49:57 * sbp wonders if there's a general name for the difficulty in generating examples
17:50:07 <Arnia> So if I were distracted by a steak when talking about sheep and said 'flock of cows' due to the word 'cows' winning through its increased activation then I would bring to mind associations otherwise unknown
17:50:55 <sbp> chuckle. I can just imagine one of the sheep holding up a steak
17:51:02 <sbp> "don't eat us, look! yummy steak!"
17:51:33 <Arnia> If the association is reinforced by either its utility or by further stimuli then it will pass into convention for the individual and thence possibly into social convention
17:51:44 <sbp> so right, in that case you're substituting the noun rather than the grouping-adjectivish-noun
17:53:08 <Arnia> Conversely, if the association is contradictory or causes no semantic effect, or is generally less useful than its cost of maintenance then it will be quickly forgotten and no new colloquialism will appear
17:53:38 <sbp> gotcha
17:53:42 <sbp> reminds me of the word "yonks"
17:53:59 <sbp> which was somehow formed out of "donkey's years", the theory goes
17:54:31 <sbp> by metathesis and portmanteau
17:54:59 <Arnia> I should stop coining new logics
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18:04:47 <Arnia> Ok, be back once I'm back home
18:04:53 <sbp> okers dokes
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18:19:51 <nslater> no: hello
18:20:23 <no> morning
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18:20:42 <sbp> .wik Njo
18:20:44 <phenny> "The New Jedi Order (or New Jedi Order or NJO) is a series of 27 science fiction stories, published from 1999 to 2003, set in the Star Wars Expanded Universe." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jedi_Order
18:20:50 <sbp> kk
18:21:10 <joi> i dont know who joi ito is, so dont even ask
18:21:17 <sbp> some dude
18:21:22 <nslater> what
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18:22:49 <joi> marcel duchamp of the web 3.0 set or something
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18:25:36 <nslater> Arnia: thats a pretty funny mental image, thanks :p
18:26:03 * Arnia nukes York in an example of post-modernist mime
18:26:13 <nslater> oh my, that was cruel
18:26:24 * nslater nukes Arn1a
18:26:29 <Arn1a> leaping from desk tidy to desk tidy in the case of my degree four years on (yes.
18:27:24 <Arnia> )
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18:32:03 <sbp> Arn1a: come up with a title for my book please
18:32:06 <Arn1a> 'awesome' in the frequency of light and reverse engineer bob's inspector must do is blink. http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/week-of-mon-20050704/014105.html -- depends what you need a phd is automatic.
18:32:09 <sbp> n5h: title for my book?
18:32:10 <n5h> damn firefox, what do you keep all the technotoffees. wtf.
18:32:13 <deltab> sbp: what's that piano music?
18:32:33 <sbp> deltab: I'm not watching the telly, hang on
18:32:38 <deltab> too late!
18:32:49 <deltab> well unless you want to see football
18:34:21 <sbp> yeah, I got there too late
18:34:25 <cre8radix> http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/080421.html
18:34:36 <sbp> I'm going to migrate now, because definitely watching the football indeed
18:35:57 <cre8radix> penguins only pair with each other once and then stay together for the rest of their lifes...
18:36:41 <cre8radix> sbp: who's playing?
18:36:53 <deltab> footballers
18:37:06 <cre8radix> i doubt that
18:37:18 <cre8radix> footballers didn't play for ages now
18:37:28 <sbp> cre8radix: France vs. Italy
18:37:33 <sbp> to stay in the competition!
18:37:33 <cre8radix> must be those sleepwalkers again
18:37:39 <cre8radix> ah
18:37:47 <cre8radix> italy will get crushed
18:37:50 <cre8radix> :D
18:37:55 <cre8radix> >:)
18:38:14 <cre8radix> hopefully someone will kick materazzi's ass
18:38:51 <cre8radix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpG4AHlZrL4
18:38:56 <cre8radix> .title
18:38:57 <phenny> cre8radix: YouTube - materazzi
18:39:06 <sbp> France, France, and Italy our pundits are going for
18:39:44 <mahound> oh, man, france will be so pwned
18:40:08 * sbp is unsure... they've both been playing terribly
18:40:21 <mahound> </trolling>
18:41:06 <mahound> i have no idea
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18:41:59 * sbp hums the Italian anthem
18:42:05 <mahound> lol
18:42:16 <mahound> it's so...
18:42:20 <sbp> catchy
18:42:24 <mahound> fanfare-esque
18:42:27 <sbp> hehe
18:43:17 * sbp hums the French anthem...
18:43:18 <mahound> la marsellaise, messieurs
18:43:29 * sbp used to know the lyrics
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18:48:07 * mahound notices that the portuguese national anthem is sooo much a copy of the marseillaise
18:50:07 <sbp> terrible miss from Toni
18:50:31 <mahound> yes
18:54:27 <sbp> looks painful
18:54:40 <mahound> ribery's dead
18:54:56 <mahound> yeah
18:55:01 <sbp> there's gonna miss him; he's damn good
18:56:25 <cre8radix> fuck
18:56:34 <sbp> close again
18:56:38 <mahound> yea
18:56:39 <cre8radix> france without ribéry
18:56:46 <cre8radix> suckage
18:56:53 <cre8radix> baaaaaad
18:56:56 <cre8radix> O_O
18:57:01 <sbp> looks like he won't be playing for a while too
18:57:10 <sbp> if they (lols) get to the final, he probably won't be there
18:58:27 <sbp> cre8radix: Materazzi's not playing, by the way
19:00:06 <sbp> Italy are definitely playing some measure better so far
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19:00:28 <Monty> hey jjon
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19:03:22 <_bjoern> 0:0 0:0
19:05:15 <sbp> nine changes to the nl side
19:05:58 <mahound> sbp: they should have learned something with portugal
19:07:17 <sbp> oof. man, Italy are actually playing passably well
19:07:46 <_bjoern> whom do we hate more, fr or it?
19:08:44 <mahound> _bjoern: hm... complex problem
19:08:48 <sbp> **
19:08:49 <sbp> Hank: By the way, Homer, what's your least favorite country: Italy or
19:08:49 <sbp> France?
19:08:50 <sbp> Homer: France.
19:08:50 <sbp> Hank: [chuckles] Nobody ever says Italy. [sets the coordinates of a
19:08:50 <sbp> giant laser gun]
19:08:52 <sbp> **
19:08:55 <sbp> - http://www.snpp.com/episodes/3F23.html
19:09:46 <sbp> penalty!
19:09:50 <mahound> penalty
19:09:52 <mahound> red card
19:09:54 <sbp> red card!
19:09:54 <sbp> omg
19:10:01 <sbp> Abidal. hmm
19:10:08 <sbp> I'd think he's probably right
19:10:10 <jjon> is it italy v. france now?
19:10:17 * jjon find remote scramble.
19:10:20 <sbp> definite goal scoring opportunity
19:10:28 <mahound> yes
19:10:29 <mahound> fair
19:10:53 <sbp> scored
19:11:11 <sbp> they deserved it from quality of play I think
19:11:24 * _bjoern hears no noises
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19:11:47 <sbp> "I wonder if Dominech saw this in the stars?" - commentator
19:11:53 <sbp> ha, and they've just taken the sub off!
19:12:07 <sbp> after only 16 minutes on the pitch
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19:14:09 <sbp> oooh, that would've been a good goal
19:14:19 <mahound> ok, blood tests for italy, please
19:14:37 <sbp> "you can argue that was his most difficult attempt of three, and that's the closest he's come to scoring!" - commentator
19:14:47 <deltab> Motty?
19:15:33 <sbp> Lawro
19:15:57 <mahound> jesus...
19:15:59 <sbp> man, another shot. shot after shot after shot here
19:19:18 <sbp> "wouldn't be his best cross would it? then again, Luca Toni's pleased it didn't come to him to have to deal with..." - Lawro
19:19:28 <mahound> ohh close
19:19:49 <sbp> yeah, just snatched at it a bit
19:19:54 <sbp> (Henry)
19:20:21 * _bjoern votes for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56758
19:20:38 <sbp> .title
19:20:39 <phenny> sbp: [3F23] You Only Move Twice
19:20:44 <sbp> oh, https
19:24:16 <sbp> funny gambit
19:24:32 <sbp> Henry was eyeing a free kick up like Johnny Wilkinson
19:24:37 <sbp> and then someone else took it quickly
19:25:06 <sbp> (and made a terrible hash of it)
19:29:54 <mahound> OH
19:29:57 <sbp> good it free kick
19:29:57 <mahound> fail
19:30:28 <sbp> deliberate foul to stop the game
19:35:08 <sbp> card after card
19:35:11 <sbp> HT, 1-0
19:35:47 <sbp> "Toni has lost count of the number of chances he's missed" - Motty
19:45:25 <sbp> odd, Van Persie's playing
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19:46:40 <sbp> lot of Romanian shots
19:46:58 <sbp> Robben's playing too
19:47:07 <sbp> probably both wanting to increase their goal counts
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19:50:24 <sbp> about 6 seconds difference between the two matches
19:50:38 <sbp> there was a hold up as they tried to synchronise them
19:50:55 <MoiraA> they all do that jonny wilkinson bit don't they?
19:51:07 <MoiraA> then do something completely different when they actually kick
19:51:08 <sbp> yeah, but Henry was really putting on the style
19:51:44 <sbp> another card...
19:52:10 <sbp> hmm, only five so far actually. two yellows each, one red France
19:52:13 <sbp> thought it was more
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19:54:17 <mahound> netherlands close from scoring
19:54:20 <MoiraA> not aware you were a rugby fan sbp?
19:54:24 <sbp> mahound: who?
19:54:32 <sbp> MoiraA: not a huge fan, but watch it from time to time
19:54:36 <mahound> van persil
19:54:41 <sbp> heh
19:54:48 <MoiraA> << season ticket holder
19:54:53 <sbp> Robben's attempt was very close indeed
19:55:03 <sbp> in the 1st half
19:55:08 <MoiraA> that and cricket, member of southnorth cricket club
19:55:42 <nslater> .title http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html
19:55:42 <phenny> nslater: Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works | Mail Online
19:55:45 <nslater> hahaha
19:55:52 <sbp> 10,000 what? cupcakes?
19:56:05 <nslater> there is a pound sign in that title
19:56:24 <sbp> nu?
19:56:27 <nslater> ν
19:57:06 <sbp> "you can't legislate for more stoppage time in one game than the other" - Motty on the odd synchronisation delay
19:57:48 <nslater> "Dr Robert Mathie, of the BHA, said: 'What is needed is more investment in homeopathy research, not facile enticements by scientists who should know better.'"
19:58:10 <nslater> offering £10,000 for a properly conducted double blind experiments seems like a fair research grant to me :p
19:58:27 <sbp> pretty small investment
19:58:43 <sbp> another card, Gattuso
19:58:55 <nslater> yes, but the nobel prize in medicien and the world fame that came with it might make up for the rest :)
19:59:00 <sbp> heh
20:00:28 <Jibbler> oops http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2008/06/17/mozilla_outage_on_firefox_3_record_launch_day.html
20:00:39 <sbp> nl goal
20:00:57 <sbp> Jibbler: yeah, already much lolled at that
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20:05:15 <sbp> France out with purpose, and a good job too
20:05:45 <sbp> still don't think there's any way they're going to win though
20:06:53 <sbp> it's in!
20:06:55 <sbp> 2-0!
20:06:57 <mahound> lol
20:06:57 <Monty> good browser, but Henry was cruel
20:07:03 <sbp> strange deflection
20:07:25 <mahound> it was deflected by a defender
20:07:31 <sbp> yeah, hit the wall
20:07:36 <sbp> Henry's foot
20:07:38 <sbp> heh
20:07:40 <mahound> yes
20:07:44 <mahound> ironically
20:07:46 <sbp> yeah
20:07:53 <clsn> yo folx
20:07:57 <sbp> yo clsn
20:08:04 <sbp> mahound: always has to score, doesn't he? :-)
20:08:10 <mahound> yeah
20:08:18 * nslater throws derek acorah at n5h
20:08:19 <n5h> i guess small differences wouldn't really matter. you write? i read. ten dollar.
20:08:25 <nslater> hahaha
20:08:35 <mahound> lool
20:08:42 <sbp> n5h: sucky sucky
20:08:42 <n5h> imdeed. aye, tis a dangerous gamwe.
20:08:49 <mahound> n5: me love you lng time
20:08:50 <clsn> brain went completely offline for a big chunk of today playing some mindless stuff... bleah.
20:09:02 <sbp> playing?
20:09:35 <clsn> got to downloading random flash games.
20:10:00 <nslater> phenny: tell nsh, I'll write, YOU read. 5 dollar.
20:10:01 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when nsh is around.
20:11:22 <jsled> .u ↔
20:11:23 <phenny> U+2194 LEFT RIGHT ARROW (↔)
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20:12:31 <nslater> .title http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026980/The-father-pick-twins-save-canoe-capsized.html
20:12:31 <phenny> nslater: The father who had to pick which of his twins to save when their canoe capsized | Mail Online
20:12:34 <nslater> wow
20:13:03 <nslater> sbp: sorry for spamin ur channel wiv mail online, finnished now, kthx
20:13:39 <MoiraA> ah sbp
20:14:34 <sbp> nslater: almost as bad as Freud
20:15:13 <nslater> </generic-penis-joke>
20:16:44 <sbp> as Motty notes, France have to score thrice or Romania twice for there to be a change of qualification circumstance
20:17:08 <deltab> I can't imagine Motty saying "change of qualification circumstance"
20:17:09 <clsn> current political cartoon: http://cagle.com/working/080609/fares.gif Is it just the tired old "Jews run the world" charge?
20:17:17 <clsn> Or am I missing something.
20:17:57 <sbp> makes no sense to me whatsoever
20:18:11 <sbp> I understand the context and the chracterisation and everything
20:18:20 <sbp> but if there's a meaning... it's subtle
20:18:34 <clsn> Ne meither. It's from Syria or something I think, so that would work, but there's no current events or anything that makes this make sense.
20:18:39 <sbp> is there a title to it or anything?
20:18:42 <sbp> ooh, good shot
20:18:59 <sbp> wow. it was going in, good save from Buffon
20:19:33 <clsn> Not that I saw. Was just on my usual morning selection of cartoons.
20:20:23 <sbp> perhaps it accompanied a piece of writing?
20:20:46 <sbp> Gallas down injured, no more subs left for fr
20:21:18 <clsn> It was a page full of political cartoons, by the same usual person who normally fills that spot, AFAIK it doesn't come with an article.
20:21:35 <clsn> To be sure, a lot of the cartoons don't always make sense to me. Not just because they're local.
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20:21:53 <sbp> most political cartoons in the UK are absolute balls
20:21:57 <sbp> very cheap jokes and stuff
20:21:57 <clsn> But sometimes it feels like "Oops, I must have missed that in my 'Pretentious Foreign Symbolism' class."
20:22:06 <sbp> stupid absurd "saticial" charicatures
20:22:08 <deltab> heh, http://cagle.com/prolinks/includes/Nav2001/finishgifs/EagleEmailromoAni120w.gif
20:22:28 <sbp> heh
20:22:32 <clsn> http://cagle.msnbc.com/politicalcartoons/ and following through to page 21...
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20:29:25 <sbp> Henry booked for a good tackle
20:29:32 <deltab> yeah, Syria: http://www.cagle.com/politicalcartoons/PCcartoons/fares.asp
20:29:40 <sbp> not France's night
20:30:25 <deltab> "page 21"?
20:30:59 <sbp> clsn: I can only suppose that the idea is for the Jew to be Israeli, and voting furtively
20:30:59 <deltab> oh, today's best?
20:31:10 <deltab> http://cagle.msnbc.com/politicalcartoons/PCcartoons/PCbest21.asp ?
20:31:42 <sbp> best21: political cartoons for the lose
20:31:54 <mahound> 2-0 nl
20:32:02 <sbp> I've heard animals fart funnier things than that
20:32:07 <sbp> mahound: ooh, thanks
20:32:23 <sbp> they still haven't reported that here
20:32:40 <sbp> now they've heard
20:32:51 <sbp> (crowd went nuts)
20:33:52 <sbp> RvP again? ooh, good goal
20:34:17 <clsn> sbp: pretty weak, then. That cartoon isn't often *totally* transparent like that; otherwise it wouldn't get on the "best of" pages.
20:34:31 <sbp> ha, all the substitutes knew before anyone else
20:34:37 <sbp> so they must have a hotline, Lawro observes
20:35:14 <clsn> I'm a substitute for another guy; I look pretty tall, but my heels are high. The simple things you see are all complicated. I look really young, but I'm just back-dated.
20:35:20 <clsn> ("Substitute", The Who)
20:35:41 <clsn> Containing the brilliant line, "I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth."
20:37:48 <sbp> subs are going mad
20:37:55 <sbp> Toni neeearly scored. 8th chance
20:38:11 <sbp> "more Swiss Tony than Luca Toni" - Lawro
20:38:22 <sbp> FT
20:45:07 <deltab> heh
20:45:18 <deltab> (Swiss Tony)
20:45:21 <_bjoern> Wasn't there a way to make this alert 'Hello World' without eval?
20:45:23 <_bjoern> function foo() {
20:45:23 <_bjoern> var xx = 'Hello World';
20:45:23 <_bjoern> var nm = 'xx';
20:45:23 <_bjoern> alert(...nm...);
20:45:23 <_bjoern> };
20:45:30 <_bjoern> that is, access the var based on its name?
20:45:46 <deltab> no
20:46:31 <deltab> in the global scope you can access the global object, but that won't work in a function
20:46:53 <nslater> haha, pretty funny that firefox was released 10am Wednesday.... san fransisco time. A full day after the REST OF THE WORLD wakes up and has wednesday.
20:47:23 <deltab> Tuesday, you mean?
20:47:28 <nslater> yes
20:47:32 <nslater> ... im bad with days
20:47:36 <mahound> nslater: was released?
20:48:00 <mahound> i couldn't see any download link in the page
20:48:05 <nslater> well yes, the release time was 10am Tuesday, San Fransico time, which was 7pm here
20:48:26 <mahound> 6pm actually
20:48:34 <Morbus> hrm. the new firefox has removed my ability to define where i want the bookmarks toolbar.
20:48:45 <Morbus> and it has also forced it into the root of the bookmarks menu, which isn't where i want it.
20:48:46 <nslater> oh jees, ill take my observations to a channel that cares, SCREW YOU ALL
20:48:51 <mahound> nslater: but there's no link, still
20:48:53 <earle> it's a big heaped bowl of fail pretty much all round
20:49:20 <nslater> MY POINT WAS, HAHAHA, NOTHING EXISTS OUT SIDE OF THE VALLY
20:49:29 <mahound> nslater: oh, and that's new?
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20:50:15 <mahound> i wonder why they bother translating firefox into so many languages
20:50:19 <nslater> for pretty much anyone who isnt part of the vally circle jerk, it was released annoying late in the evening, on site host that doesnt respond, and when it did, still said "firefox 2"
20:50:32 <mahound> nslater: totally agree
20:50:35 <danja_> my FF is totally screwed after last update
20:50:45 <deltab> mahound: they like getting threats from Syrians
20:50:55 <mahound> and turks
20:51:20 <mahound> "oh, we've heard you're preparing a kurd translation..."
20:51:22 <_bjoern> Ah right, the activation object, which acts as variable object, is not accessible. Pity.
20:51:56 <deltab> _bjoern: why do you want it?
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20:52:55 <_bjoern> I was thinking about having private methods but I don't want to map strings to references to the functions
20:52:57 <deltab> nslater: ah, I see it's now redirecting to mozilla.com
20:53:04 <_bjoern> (I get passed a string that determines which function to apply)
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20:53:30 <deltab> which, yes, still promotes 2
20:53:42 <nslater> i dont know why ive been sucked into caring
20:53:55 <nslater> everywhere i look it's ff3 this and ff3 that
20:53:57 <deltab> hehe
20:54:21 <nslater> http://educhoices.org/cimages/multimages/1/hot_dog_toaster.jpg
20:54:21 <deltab> I've been using it recently, and like it
20:54:32 <nslater> wow, someone invented a dual bread + hotdog toaster
20:54:55 <deltab> with FireGestures, it has the edge over Opera 9.5
20:56:00 <deltab> said Opera periodically pops up a box asking for my non-existent Twitter login, in flagrant disregard of XP's focus-stealing-prevention
20:56:07 <clsn> So there was a big stink about Michelle Obama saying something horrible, and I never heard about it? Wow. Living under this rock so long I should have it upholstered.
20:58:28 <clsn> The big question about the elections, I think, is going to be whether or not the RNGs the voting machines use are better than the coin-flips voters will use.
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20:59:28 <mahound> clsn: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks
21:00:00 <clsn> I think I saw that one...
21:00:23 <mahound> heh
21:00:44 <clsn> Oh... I only saw the title; video dun werk so gud on my browser. Lemme see.
21:03:28 <deltab> sbp: Vic Reeves and a "mobile seagull appreciation unit" on the Culture Show
21:04:35 <deltab> a Dylan Thomas movie
21:10:23 <mahound> oh FF3 advertisement is finally online
21:10:36 <mahound> just 4 hours late
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21:12:52 <Monty> it's jeffarch!
21:13:20 <danja__> phenny, tell sbp a couple more impulse things for ya : http://hyperdata.org/danja/unfinished/
21:13:20 <phenny> danja__: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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21:17:29 <Monty> hi dmiles_afk, how ya doing?
21:19:57 <Arnia> Another person to recruit to my project: http://web.mit.edu/jakebeal/www/
21:21:57 <deltab> the Vic Reeves bit is on BBC2 now
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21:27:46 <danja__> Arnia, recruit me!!!
21:28:18 <Arnia> danja__: I think you'd go mad working with me :)
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21:29:16 <Arnia> Although, you'd probably enjoy the project
21:29:49 <danja__> madness is my middle name...
21:30:18 <_bjoern> The last name is __ ?
21:30:29 <danja__> madness as well
21:30:53 <_bjoern> That's too predictable for madness.
21:31:18 <Arnia> So, Madness Madness Madness, the six Earl of Madness, comes into the fold of... er... Madness
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21:31:34 <clsn> Madness takes its toll
21:31:42 <clsn> (1 shilling tuppence please)
21:32:03 <danja__> nah, Simon Madness Madness, Earl of Celery
21:33:37 <danja__> son of Madness Madness Sax-Cockburg
21:34:01 <danja__> it's a corruption of the Viking
21:34:24 <danja__> Madness Madnesson, etc
21:35:55 <deltab> heh, Paxman saying "Arianna Huffington, Queen of the blogosphere"
21:36:17 <danja__> does he know wha she's like?
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23:08:41 <deltab> huh, BBC1 is currently showing About Adam, while Film4 is showing All About Eve
23:10:22 <Arnia> I suspect the sense of humour of the schedulers sometimes
23:10:50 <deltab> then it's showing The Banger Sisters and The Talk of the Town
23:43:23 <Arnia> Gah...
23:43:27 * Arnia hits his phone again
23:44:09 <Arnia> it keeps dropping calls
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