2008-06-24 Swhack IRC Log

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01:03:38 <Monty> But what does edsu have to do with the price of fish?
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08:02:38 <cre8radix> heya
08:07:38 <_bjoern> http://dealbreaker.com/2008/06/post_32.php
08:10:02 <_bjoern> includes an important german lesson
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08:17:29 <Monty> it's libby!
08:18:10 <_bjoern> .title http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080611/ap_on_fe_st/italy_unicorn
08:18:12 <phenny> _bjoern: Single-horned 'Unicorn' deer found in Italy - Yahoo! News
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08:28:27 <nelix> .ety ostensibly
08:28:28 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "ostensibly". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=ostensibly
08:28:34 <nelix> .wordnet ostensibly
08:28:50 <_bjoern> .w ostensibly
08:28:51 <phenny> I couldn't find 'ostensibly' in WordNet.
08:29:05 <_bjoern> .ety ostensible
08:29:06 <phenny> "1762, from Fr. ostensible, from L. ostensus, pp. of ostendere 'to show,' from ob 'in front of' + tendere 'to stretch' (see tenet)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=ostensible
08:29:06 <_bjoern> .w ostensible
08:29:07 <phenny> ostensible a. 1: Appearing as such but not necessarily so
08:29:08 <phenny> ostensible a. 2: Represented or appearing as such.
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08:38:59 <sbp> yo
08:39:22 <_bjoern> Guten Tag Herr P.
08:39:59 <sbp> g'moin unto thee Meestar _!
08:40:10 <_bjoern> yo
08:40:32 <sbp> soon: news
08:40:35 <sbp> first: transcription
08:40:39 <nsh-> [$]
08:40:46 <sbp> [worthless]?
08:41:15 <_bjoern> [sic]
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09:00:25 <nsh-> .ety avolition
09:00:25 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "avolition". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=avolition
09:00:32 <nsh-> .wik Avolition
09:00:32 <phenny> "Avolition is a psychological state characterized by general lack of desire, drive, or motivation to pursue meaningful goals." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avolition
09:00:45 <nsh-> .ety volition
09:00:45 <phenny> "1615, from Fr. volition (16c.), from M.L. volitionem (nom. volitio) 'will, volition,' from L. stem (as in volo 'I wish') of velle 'to wish,' from PIE *wel-/*wol- 'be pleasing' (see will (v.))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=volition
09:37:47 <nsh-> .ety nexus
09:37:48 <phenny> "1663, 'bond, link, means of communication,' from L. nexus, pp. of nectere 'to bind,' from PIE base *ned- 'to bind, tie' (see net (n.))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=nexus
09:37:55 <nsh-> .wik nexus
09:37:56 <phenny> "Plural; 'Nexuses' or 'Nexus'." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus
09:39:27 <sbp> nuranexus
09:43:04 <cre8radix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bANZUyVf0nM
09:43:05 <cre8radix> .title
09:43:07 <phenny> cre8radix: YouTube - The Soggy Bottom Boys - I am a Man of constant sorrow
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09:52:48 <_bjoern> who isn't.
09:53:03 <_bjoern> I need to steal new lines somewhere.
09:53:38 <nsh-> .w ingress
09:53:41 <phenny> ingress n. 1: (astronomy) the disappearance of a celestial body prior to an eclipse
09:53:42 <phenny> ingress n. 2: The act of entering.
09:53:55 <_bjoern> .gc exgression
09:53:56 <phenny> exgression: 279
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10:15:00 <nsh> .ety crass
10:15:00 <phenny> "1545, from M.Fr. crasse, from L. crassus 'solid, thick, dense.' The literal sense has always been rare in Eng." - http://etymonline.com/?term=crass
10:15:19 *** nsh changed the topic to: "Swhack: has always been rare in Eng."
10:21:10 <_bjoern> Is that Swhack(c)olon?
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10:27:50 <Monty> hi mahound, how ya doing?
10:28:10 <mahound> Monty: bad
10:28:12 <Monty> there's an email, too much fun
10:28:24 <deltab> Monty: an email!?!
10:28:24 <Monty> That is interesting. Please continue.
10:28:59 <deltab> to delete every other file in a dir: ls | awk 'NR%2' | xargs rm
10:30:26 <_bjoern> I tried it and it works very nicely!
10:30:31 <_bjoern> Now, how do I get my files back?
10:30:51 <sbp> unrm
10:31:24 <_bjoern> gmbl
10:36:29 <_bjoern> "case 'x': ... break; return; case 'y': ..." - some C code.
10:37:14 <_bjoern> hmm one week til Microsoft stops selling XP...
10:43:43 <_bjoern> I would like to do something exciting.
10:44:14 <_bjoern> Without working to set that up first!
10:52:30 <Arnia> Right... off to the next two houses to view. Well, these are flats
10:56:33 <nsh> cannot vew hausies thru windoews?
10:57:08 <sbp> vew hausies thru windoews = lvl 3
10:57:11 <sbp> 8 CAD
10:59:22 <nsh> ah, is conisder upgrayid
11:02:49 <_bjoern> made f00d and found fun things on teh intarwebs
11:03:00 <_bjoern> .wik DOSBox
11:03:00 <phenny> "DOSBox is an emulator which simulates a computer running MS-DOS." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOSBox
11:28:50 * nsh is an emulator which simulates a computer running away from pedo-bear
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11:30:14 <Monty> welcome, lordi
11:30:29 <nsh> n5h: It should be noted that mitochondrial fusion is likely to be more complicated than most other intracellular membrane fusion events, because four lipid bilayers must be coordinately fused.
11:30:31 <n5h> s/ui/i/g. no..
11:36:15 <_bjoern> n5h
11:36:16 <n5h> except i think it's more a case of normalising tastes to minimise risk of his nativity was arrested yesterday by precinet detective hartigan.
11:36:24 <_bjoern> n5h
11:36:25 <n5h> bah. maybe people from solving the same way'. |_ a right angle is sufficient to produce one quickly. i suppose it's a place.
11:36:31 <_bjoern> n5h
11:36:31 <n5h> arnia, i don't know.
11:36:36 <_bjoern> n5h
11:36:37 <n5h> no idea where that came from and have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature.
11:38:00 <_bjoern> n5h, the lion, the wizard, and the wardrobe
11:38:01 <n5h> or phenumonic leprosy! that would be antithetical to the british parliament? cool.
11:40:05 <_bjoern> .gs ist hier einer der * heisst?
11:40:06 <phenny> ist hier einer der * heisst?: rumsch (2)
11:40:19 <_bjoern> Isn't it Reinsch in the original?
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12:25:22 <_bjoern> http://www.box.net/shared/static/vxel65zocw.png
12:27:22 * Morbus completes top 30 of 1954.
12:27:34 <Morbus> NP: 'Little Things Mean A Lot' from Kitty Kallen's album 'Billboard Top 30 Of 1954'; Unrated; http://longboredsurfer.com/charts.php?year=1954
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12:32:16 <nsh> n5h, what means phenumonic?
12:32:18 <n5h> dried active yeast, and agar (gelling agent. and treeeaaaaccclllleeee. (yorkshire treacle. yeah.
12:32:30 <nsh> sweet
12:32:30 <Monty> is mochel is another pic of "th"?
12:35:50 <sbp> n5h: ))
12:35:51 <n5h> monks and doughnuts.
12:36:06 *** sbp changed the topic to: "<n5h> monks and doughnuts"
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12:44:58 <nsh> (have the same word in finnish)
12:45:28 <sbp> what, mochel?
12:45:50 <_bjoern> penis penis penis.
12:46:10 <_bjoern> .wik Gling Glo
12:46:11 <phenny> "Gling-Gló, released in 1990, is the only album by Björk Guðmundsdóttir & Tríó Guðmundar Ingólfssonar, consisting of Björk Guðmundsdóttir on vocals, Guðmundur Ingólfsson on piano, Guðmundur Steingrímsson on drums, and Þórður Högnason on bass." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gling_Glo
12:46:42 <sbp> <3
12:46:55 <_bjoern> data:text/html,&hearts;
12:47:42 <sbp> I think you mean:
12:47:49 <_bjoern> NO
12:48:09 <sbp> data:text/html,%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E&hearts;
12:48:22 <_bjoern> that must be illegal aswell.
12:51:40 <Morbus> i have that album.
12:51:41 <Morbus> i like it
12:51:56 <Morbus> NP: 'Gling Glo' from Bjork's album 'Gling-Glo'; Rating: 5/5; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000AOQG/disobeycom/
12:52:03 <Morbus> well, the titular song, at least.
12:52:23 <_bjoern> I was just listening to Kata Rokkar
12:52:33 <_bjoern> #3 apparently.
12:52:40 <Morbus> y
12:52:52 <Morbus> NP: 'Kata Rokkar' from Bjork's album 'Gling-Glo'; Unrated; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000AOQG/disobeycom/
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12:53:01 <Morbus> gling-glo was the only song i rated in that album.
12:53:14 <Morbus> which either means, i didn't find the rest of the album remarkable, or my ratings were lost in the iTunes crash of 2004.
12:53:14 <Monty> well of North American Pie: The fiddler, he clearly does before I hate it belongs to, on anyone know :)
12:53:28 <cre8radix> loggy: uri
12:53:28 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-06-24#T12-53-28
12:54:02 * nsh is still dubious about these uri dealies
12:54:33 <sbp> think of them as conservative fictions created by the Council for Moon Preservation
12:55:15 <_bjoern> .wik CP/M
12:55:16 <nsh> well, in that case, then, they're fine by me
12:55:16 <phenny> "CP/M (Control Program for Microcomputers) is an operating system originally created for Intel 8080/85 based microcomputers by Gary Kildall of Digital Research, Inc. Initially confined to single tasking on 8-bit processors and no more than 64 kilobytes (64 KiB) of [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M
12:55:46 <_bjoern> I like the "MS-DOS takes over" heading in that.
12:56:29 <sbp> nsh: URIs distract people from destroying the moon, you see
12:56:53 <_bjoern> URIs should really use XML syntax.
12:56:55 <nslater> http://you.really.want.to/destroy/the/moon
12:57:08 * nsh djubs
12:57:08 <_bjoern> .head want.to
12:57:09 <sbp> http://you.really.want.to/destroy/the/moon#justkidding
12:57:09 <phenny> Can't connect to want.to
12:57:12 <nslater> not that one
12:57:36 <Morbus> NP: 'Hernando's Hideaway' from Archie Bleyer's album 'Billboard Top 30 Of 1954'; Rating: 4/5; http://longboredsurfer.com/charts.php?year=1954
12:57:36 <nslater> want.to should totally exist
12:57:38 * Morbus glees.
12:58:23 <_bjoern> I'd `@internet whois want.to` but sbp hates supybot.
12:58:31 <sbp> nphenny
12:58:57 <sbp> $ whois want.to
12:58:57 <sbp> Tonic whoisd V1.0
12:58:57 <sbp> want ns1.everydns.net 208.76.56.56
12:58:57 <Monty> probably
12:59:02 <nsh> didn't supybot beat baby seals to death with unborn children torn from flood victims' wombs?
12:59:06 <nslater> wtf
12:59:07 <nslater> [[[
12:59:08 <nsh> i seem to remember something like that
12:59:08 <nslater> nslater@bytesexual: ~ $ whois want.to
12:59:08 <nslater> Tonic whoisd V1.0
12:59:08 <nslater> want ns1.everydns.net 208.76.56.56
12:59:11 <nslater> ]]]
12:59:12 <sbp> ...yeah
12:59:13 <nslater> VIOLENCE
12:59:21 <nslater> what kinda whois is THAT?
12:59:24 <sbp> well since I already pasted that...
12:59:28 <nslater> oh
12:59:32 <Morbus> sbp: i got a patch in my bot queue to give the bot phenny-like tells.
12:59:33 <sbp> I think nsh had a right to ignore you
12:59:39 <sbp> Morbus: ahaha, cool
12:59:50 <Morbus> (the guy who posted it, i had given a demo of phenny too :))
12:59:56 <nslater> IRC IZ ASYNC BABY
13:00:04 <_bjoern> I usually use `whois -h whois.bofh.de ...` ...
13:00:39 <_bjoern> Presumably your whois does something similar...
13:00:56 <nslater> similar to what?
13:00:59 <sbp> awesome. you can register a .to domain for a hundred years
13:01:05 <_bjoern> I bet ToNIC laughed their ass off about their name.
13:01:08 <sbp> only $2500
13:01:10 <nslater> '-h' is invalid on my whois
13:01:26 <_bjoern> Mine is the original RIPE whois I think.
13:01:33 <_bjoern> I compiled it many eons ago.
13:01:40 <nslater> lah deh dah
13:01:56 <_bjoern> Dienstag, 15. Februar 2000, 00:58:46, to be exact.
13:02:46 <Morbus> NP: 'This Ole House' from Rosemary Clooney's album 'Billboard Top 30 Of 1954'; Rating: 5/5; http://longboredsurfer.com/charts.php?year=1954
13:02:51 <nslater> OOOH, I THINK PERL5 HIT SID
13:02:54 <Morbus> sbp! oh!
13:02:59 <Morbus> sbp: i'm getting singstar today
13:03:53 <_bjoern> I think Debian Sid included Perl5 in its original release.
13:04:19 <sbp> singstar?
13:04:23 <sbp> .wik Singstar
13:04:23 <phenny> "SingStar is a competitive karaoke video game series for the PlayStation 2, developed by London Studio and published by Sony Computer Entertainment." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singstar
13:04:29 <_bjoern> .title http://packages.debian.org/uk/sid/perl5
13:04:31 <phenny> _bjoern: Debian -- Details of package perl5 in sid
13:04:35 <_bjoern> it's a bit russian but okay.
13:04:38 <Morbus> .wik singstar (playstation 3)
13:04:40 <phenny> "SingStar is a competitive karaoke game for the PlayStation 3, and is a follow-up to the PlayStation 2 SingStar series." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SingStar_(PlayStation_3)
13:04:48 <Morbus> that one, sbp
13:04:51 <sbp> ah
13:04:52 <_bjoern> ukraine perhaps
13:05:11 <_bjoern> It's popular with the girls! I believe.
13:05:44 <nslater> _bjoern: it's been broken for a while now
13:05:59 <Morbus> sbp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd7y5c6FpUc
13:06:04 <Morbus> that's gonna be me, baby
13:06:10 * Morbus giggles and taps feet.
13:06:16 <_bjoern> .am domains are not cheap at all!
13:06:28 <sbp> hehe
13:06:38 <Morbus> i'm htinking about getting a camera.
13:06:42 <Morbus> soilely to do that.
13:06:44 <Morbus> cos it'd be so hilarious.
13:07:07 <_bjoern> .title
13:07:08 <phenny> _bjoern: YouTube - Britney Spears - Toxic (SingStar Vol.1)
13:07:40 <_bjoern> .gg even more expensive
13:08:11 * sbp loels at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62694
13:08:21 <sbp> _bjoern: what's the cheapest cctld?
13:08:22 <sbp> .title
13:08:23 <phenny> sbp: Paste number 62694: shitrude adoption
13:09:13 <Morbus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9xkkIo7gNw
13:09:15 <Morbus> man. gonna be so much fun.
13:09:20 <nslater> wow that man has SO many videos
13:09:22 * Morbus played karoake revolution on the ps2 and had a blast.
13:09:27 <Morbus> nslater: yeah! and guess what!
13:09:32 <Morbus> he's apparently gonna be in the ads for singstar vol. 2.
13:09:33 <Morbus> that's hawt.
13:09:37 <nslater> wow
13:09:46 <Morbus> his bio said "sony, hire me"
13:09:48 <nslater> i have played singstar before, but only drunk and at a party
13:09:49 <Morbus> aand, apparently, they did ;)
13:09:58 <sbp> incidentally, this:
13:09:59 <sbp> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MQwgWjiML._SS400_.jpg
13:10:00 <nslater> I cant really imagine my self comming home and playing it alone after a hard day at work
13:10:06 <sbp> might be the stupidest album cover of all time
13:10:11 <_bjoern> y?
13:10:18 <nslater> sbp: ive seen worse
13:10:24 <_bjoern> I think it rox.
13:10:32 <sbp> yeah, we've all seen that top ten list of bad album covers
13:10:35 <nslater> haha
13:10:36 <sbp> but none of them were mainstream
13:11:02 <Morbus> ahahahah
13:11:02 <Morbus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjmykVjLmCg&feature=related
13:11:03 <nslater> .title http://www.thriftstoreart.com/album_/album1.htm
13:11:05 <phenny> nslater: Incredibly Strange Albums - I
13:11:11 <sbp> “A teacher has been found guilty of dangerous driving after being stopped by police for having 13 people travelling in his Volvo car.” - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/7471102.stm
13:11:16 <nslater> hah, five albums
13:11:17 <_bjoern> .me.uk is teh cheapo
13:11:22 <Morbus> check out the video. ahahah.
13:11:25 <Morbus> giggle gigglye
13:11:27 <_bjoern> not like .de but still.
13:11:40 <nslater> sbp: me and my friends regularly used to get 9 into a hatchback :p
13:12:00 <_bjoern> the .title is rad
13:12:00 <_bjoern> .title
13:12:00 <phenny> _bjoern: BBC NEWS | Wales | North West Wales | Man guilty of having 13 in Volvo
13:12:23 <nslater> I have never agreed with a sentence as much as this: http://www.thriftstoreart.com/album_/194.jpg
13:12:30 <_bjoern> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44774000/jpg/_44774059_.jpg
13:12:47 <nelix> lol volvo
13:13:07 <_bjoern> either you are very disagreeable, or you haven't seen too many french chixx.
13:13:22 <nslater> I've seen/known plenty of french chix ;)
13:14:46 <sbp> .gc gitsmeg
13:14:46 <phenny> gitsmeg: 0
13:15:04 <sbp> calling someone a panhandling gitsmeg might just make their day
13:15:31 <_bjoern> gitsmeg.me.uk
13:15:37 <sbp> heh
13:18:11 <_bjoern> .wik .sco
13:18:11 <phenny> "There are several proposed top-level domains which have not yet been submitted to or approved by ICANN, as of 2008." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.sco
13:19:13 <_bjoern> I still haven't received business relationship spam from bahrain.
13:20:36 <_bjoern> the list of translations is impressive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.bh
13:21:02 <_bjoern> http://tk.wikipedia.org/wiki/.bh
13:21:14 * nsh contemplates panhandling gitsmeg
13:21:36 <nsh> i wonder if gitsmeg might not be the cash crop our failing economy has been awaiting
13:21:48 <nsh> this must be investigates further
13:22:06 * _bjoern reads "IANA Report on Redelegation of the .IQ Top-Level Domain"
13:22:23 * nsh imagines investigates as a nerdy, bespectacled, ruthlessly entrepeneural private-eye
13:23:47 <sbp> no no, you're thinking of the iqutous
13:24:01 <_bjoern> [[[
13:24:02 <_bjoern> The technical contact, Bayan Elashi, was arrested in December 2002. In July 2004 Bayan
13:24:02 <_bjoern> Elashi, InfoCom, and others were convicted in a United States court, for conspiracy to violate,
13:24:02 <_bjoern> the Export Administration Regulations and the Libyan Sanctions Regulations. In April 2005
13:24:02 <_bjoern> Bayan Elashi, InfoCom, and others were convicted in a United States court, for conspiracy to
13:24:02 <_bjoern> deal in the property of a Specially Designated Terrorist and conspiracy to commit money
13:24:04 <_bjoern> laundering, along with other related crimes. Additionally, Bayan Elashi was convicted of
13:24:06 <_bjoern> dealing in the property of a Specially Designated Terrorist and money laundering.
13:24:10 <_bjoern> ]]]
13:24:24 <sbp> the magical bird of silverine wings that flies and squawks over young elf children when they deliniate a kind of golden handle brother by an upian riverboat house
13:25:25 <nsh> YAY, Specially Designated Terror!
13:25:26 <Monty> [sic]
13:28:17 <_bjoern> "on January 14, 2004, the domain goatse.cx was suspended by Christmas Island Internet Administration for AUP violations in response to a complaint and it was terminated not for being a shock site which it had existed in such manner since at least 1999,[1][2] but later in 2004 when it linked to dolphinsex.org, which was disallowed by .cx's usage policy because they linked to website advocated zoophilia.[3][4]"
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13:29:11 <_bjoern> .gc +allways
13:29:12 <phenny> +allways: 6,050,000
13:29:33 <nsh> .ety opprobrium
13:29:34 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "opprobrium". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=opprobrium
13:29:37 <nsh> newb
13:29:50 <sbp> .ety opprobrious
13:29:51 <phenny> "'full of reproach, intended to bring disgrace,' 1387, from O.Fr. opprobrieux, from L.L. opprobriosus, from L. opprobare 'to reproach, taunt,' from ob 'against' + probrum 'reproach, infamy.' Etymological sense is 'disgrace attached to conduct considered shameful.' [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=opprobrious
13:31:37 <nsh> .gc inurl:www.etymonline.com/index.php probrum
13:31:38 <phenny> inurl:www.etymonline.com/index.php probrum: 7
13:32:04 <nsh> .gc inurl:www.etymonline.com/index.php?term probrum
13:32:06 <phenny> inurl:www.etymonline.com/index.php?term probrum: 5
13:32:35 <nsh> lies
13:33:12 <nsh> .ety twit
13:33:13 <phenny> "1530, aphetic form of atwite, from O.E. ætwitan 'to blame, reproach,' from æt 'at' + witan 'to blame,' from P.Gmc. *witanan (cf. O.E. wite, O.S. witi, O.N. viti 'punishment, torture;' O.H.G. wizzi 'punishment,' wizan 'to punish;' Du. verwijten, O.H.G. firwizan, Ger. [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=twit
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13:40:05 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's MacTed!
13:42:10 * MacTed polishes his horns
14:05:26 <procto> sbp: I was thinking a bit about the religion discussion we had a while back. I think a large part of what religion, and a religious outlook is, involves turning hope and wish utterances into speech acts. since they represent internal states and are descriptive, they aren't speech acts. but those that use them as speech acts, i.e. as a request, which is a common speech act category, are using it religously
14:05:59 <procto> sbp: certainly to be distinguished when you merely used the phrasing of "I wish..." and "I hope..." to request something from a person not quite directly
14:06:17 <procto> sbp: does that make sense? it's still early in the morning for me :>
14:06:22 <nslater> sbp: do you have an openid?
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14:07:50 <nsh> n5h, ignore all the above pls
14:07:51 <n5h> how be thou, arnia? how do you think it's safe to assume they are physically discrete.
14:08:09 <panni_> hey, i'm trying out the phenny bot - which is the best way to add timed recurring events to the main "event" loop? (the main loop is via asyncore, i know)
14:08:35 <nslater> hey panni_
14:09:02 <panni_> like "tell user x, y every z minutes" - i've read the source of the bot, but didnt find any hook position
14:09:27 <nslater> the way I would do it is have a function that is activated as soon as it joins a channel that loops
14:09:37 <nsh> pft
14:09:44 <panni_> in a thread i suppose
14:09:56 <nslater> yeah, func.thread = True
14:10:32 <nslater> not sure how you get the function to activate as soon as it joins the channel
14:10:47 <panni_> well i just have to add the event id
14:10:55 <nslater> what would that be?
14:11:01 <panni_> sec
14:11:09 <sbp> nslater: yes, inamidst.com
14:11:14 <sbp> procto: reading...
14:11:14 <nslater> n5h, do you know?
14:11:16 <n5h> i can imagine it's only navigable by keyboard, can you englishify "terminal objective in the psycho tank. for making my production here, which is not something you do.
14:11:24 <nslater> "
14:11:51 <nsh> n5h understands that the only way to implement this facility is with uberhax
14:11:52 <nslater> sbp: cool, I didn't think you would have one tbh :)
14:11:52 <n5h> it means pushing metal things onto paper type process. aye.
14:12:08 <nsh> right on, bro
14:12:15 <nslater> .wik Property is theft!
14:12:18 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Property is theft!".
14:12:25 <nslater> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_is_theft!
14:12:26 <nslater> fail
14:12:32 <nslater> .wik "Property is theft!"
14:12:33 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for ""Property is theft!"".
14:12:41 <nslater> .wik Property_is_theft!
14:12:42 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Property_is_theft!".
14:12:42 <Monty> ftw
14:12:45 <nslater> ftl
14:12:49 <nslater> sbp: bug!
14:13:09 <panni_> nslater: i just have to find the event at: http://www.mishscript.de/help/rawhelp2.htm :D
14:13:12 <sbp> procto: do you consider prayers to be composed primary of speech acts of that kind?
14:13:17 <sbp> er, primarily
14:13:40 <nsh> i would add an algorithm to the main irc message parsing function that hashes the timestamp into a one or zero using logic cobbled together from interactions between the various scheduled event times
14:13:49 <procto> sbp: yes
14:14:10 <nslater> um
14:14:22 <nslater> I honestly dont think there is an "event" when you join a channel
14:14:25 <nslater> but I may be wrong
14:14:58 <nsh> wait wait
14:15:10 <procto> sbp: that is, they may not contain I wish or I hope. I guess I skipped a step. I was discussing religion with my father a few months ago, and he mentioned that at the basic level, even someone otherwise non-religious (and he is religious) would be expressing essentially religious feelings via such statements of desire
14:15:13 <sbp> procto: I've heard a lot about levels of prayer, but from a quick Google it mainly looks like ye expected twaddle
14:15:36 <procto> sbp: prayers tend to have a lot more in them
14:15:41 <sbp> how is wishing different from wanting?
14:15:56 <sbp> I want some food vs. I wish for some food
14:15:58 <procto> sbp: but they are fundamentally speech acts, since they attempt to do something by their mere utterance
14:16:31 <procto> sbp: the differenc is that a statement of desire is a descriptive statement. "I wish" and "I want" are both statements of desire, and thus not speech acts.
14:16:41 <sbp> .wik Hope
14:16:44 <phenny> "Hope is a belief in a positive outcome related to events and circumstances in one's life." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope
14:16:53 <nslater> what's a "speach act"?
14:16:54 <procto> sbp: "please pass the salt" is a speech act
14:16:59 <procto> .wik speech act
14:16:59 <phenny> "Speech act is a technical term in linguistics and the philosophy of language." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_act
14:17:05 <sbp> some language have speech act markers
14:17:06 <procto> well that's helpful...
14:17:12 <sbp> s/ge/ges/
14:17:25 <procto> "by saying something, we do something"
14:17:38 <procto> things like greetings, requestis, warnings
14:17:53 <nslater> seems a little wooly
14:17:58 <sbp> hmm, actually, do they... or am I thinking of imperative markers and the like
14:18:01 <nslater> when I say "I wish oranges were green" I am also doing something
14:18:12 <nslater> I am communicating part of my internal state to you
14:18:46 <procto> yes, you are performing communication. but you are not expeting the utterance of the phrase to carry some sort of active content
14:18:55 <procto> such as "please pass the salt"
14:19:03 <nslater> define "active content" :/
14:19:09 <procto> which directly results in an action from the other participant
14:19:20 <sbp> Wikipedia seems to think that hope is emotional optimism
14:19:26 <sbp> that is, the emotional counterpart of optimism
14:19:40 * nsh contorts face
14:19:43 <procto> sbp: which is why I'm using "statements of desire"
14:19:48 <nslater> procto: im not so sure I see the difference
14:19:57 <nsh> n5h, burn the pontiffs
14:19:58 <n5h> it's rare that you need to work out what the hell now. iz k.
14:20:17 <procto> nslater: well, earlier I was distinguishing adescriptive statement about your internal state from a speech act
14:20:23 <nslater> presumably, I told you about my thoughts on fruit color with a specific purpose or intention, that it is subtle or undefined, or even unknown, doesnt make it any less so, right?
14:20:41 <procto> such a statement may ellicit an action in response
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14:21:01 <procto> speech acts however, are performed with the explicit expectation of an action that directly corresponds to the content
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14:21:26 <nslater> okay
14:22:23 <sbp> nslater: it appears that the concept of a "speech act" came about from an overly taught appreciation of language amongst some linguists before the 20th century; them basically thinking that all language is descriptive, for some reason
14:22:42 <sbp> so the concept of "speech act" looks more like a challenge to a very weak linguistic ethos than anything else
14:22:43 <procto> an example on the wikipedia page which is pretty classic: "by saying something, we do something"
14:22:57 <procto> whoop,s bad paste
14:23:01 <procto> "I now pronounce you husband and wife."
14:23:04 <nsh> this conversation, i find to be like lois' meatloaf
14:23:05 <nslater> yes, there is something about the concept that doesnt sit well with me, though I'm sure I dont have the wherewithall to explain it like you :p
14:23:05 <Morbus> sbp.
14:23:08 <nsh> .gs shallow and *
14:23:10 <phenny> shallow and *: profou (4), pedantic (4), callous (4), vapid (3), unconvincing (3), profound (3), invaginated (3), eutrophic (3), vegetated (2), vacuous (2)
14:23:11 <Morbus> sbp: http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/06/23/rumor-does-this-image-show-a-ps3-trophy-screen/
14:23:14 <Morbus> my life. my life, it is ze over.
14:23:16 <Morbus> more achievements.
14:23:19 <nsh> shallow and invaginated.
14:23:27 <procto> ehehe
14:23:31 <nslater> hehe
14:23:38 <sbp> Morbus: hehe
14:23:38 <nslater> POINTFUL
14:23:58 <panni_> phenny: doc gs?
14:24:09 <nslater> phenny: help
14:24:10 <phenny> nslater: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see http://inamidst.com/phenny/ for more general details. My owner is sbp.
14:24:28 <panni_> yeah i wanted to know about .gs :)
14:24:30 <sbp> phenny: help hs
14:24:33 <sbp> phenny: help gs?
14:24:35 <panni_> which seems to be custom, isnt it?
14:24:38 <sbp> yeah
14:24:52 <nslater> Morbus: i dont get it, what is this?
14:25:01 <Morbus> nslater: do you know about xbox 360 achievements?
14:25:13 <panni_> what exactly does .gs do, sbp?
14:25:20 <Morbus> trophies are the ps3 version of them. they come out in the next patch (2.4.0). these are leaked screens.
14:25:20 <nslater> yes, kinda, its something I dont get to do with my ps3
14:25:25 <procto> sbp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illocutionary_act#Illocutionary_force_indicating_devices_.28IFIDs.29
14:25:25 <Monty> doesn't mean the heat of it's only with uberhax
14:25:26 <Morbus> nslater: well, you will ;)
14:25:32 <procto> sbp: is this what you meant by the markers?
14:25:32 <nslater> oh right... you have a ps3 too?
14:25:37 <sbp> Morbus spends a lot of time getting xbox 360 achievements, which are game points basically. ps3 is now going to have them, so welcome to the Zone of Morbous Time Saturation
14:25:47 <nslater> hahaha
14:25:48 <Morbus> nslater: yeah, just got it two weeks ago. what's your psn nick? i'll add you :D
14:25:52 <Morbus> you'll be mah first friend.
14:25:57 <nslater> when does Life come out of whatever the ps3 second life clone is?
14:26:02 <Morbus> nslater: i'm in the top 2.4% of xbox 360 players ;)
14:26:05 <Morbus> Home.
14:26:08 <Morbus> later this year, quote unquote.
14:26:13 <nslater> oh man, I cant wait
14:26:13 <sbp> procto: nope, I was thinking of imperative markers
14:26:14 <Morbus> these trophy things were supposed to be part of it.
14:26:17 <sbp> quite a few languages have them
14:26:32 <sbp> Hawaiian, Yoruba, Tamil...
14:27:02 <procto> sbp: well, those would also convey illocutionary force
14:27:06 <sbp> hmm. Armenian, Korean
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14:27:24 <Morbus> jsled: oOoh.
14:27:26 <jsled> The PS3 trophies from those screens don't seem nearly as cool as what I understand of the 360 achievements.
14:27:28 <Morbus> i'm morbusiff :)
14:27:32 <procto> sbp: alas, nearly all of my pragmatics is "low level". i.e. I'm at the semantic-pragmatic interface.
14:27:38 <Morbus> jsled: yeah, but that's cos the screens really don't tell you much.
14:27:42 <jsled> Very true.
14:27:48 <Morbus> basically: trophies are ranked by difficulties (achievements don't do that).
14:27:56 <Morbus> and b) instead of points, trophies increase your level.
14:28:06 <procto> sbp: "let's beat grice into semantic disambiguation" (hence, DTS)
14:28:08 <Morbus> so instead of saying "i have 24000 gamerscore", you say "I'm ps3 level 4 bitch".
14:28:31 <nslater> i get really bored trying to "complete" stuff like that
14:28:34 <sbp> ‘Still another conception of an illocutionary act goes back to Schiffer's famous book 'Meaning' (1972, 103), in which the illocutionary act is represented as just the act of meaning something.’
14:28:49 <procto> Morbus: for a second I though you were monty and was really perplexed at your/his lucidity
14:28:50 <Morbus> nslater: some of them can be, sure
14:28:50 <Monty> OW THE INTERNET
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14:29:10 <jsled> OW!
14:29:16 <nslater> some part of me wishes I was interested, but I'm not. when I completed GT4 I was on like 70% complete, and I literally just stopped playing the game, the plot had finnished, blah, etc
14:29:17 <procto> sbp: that's... just redefining a term
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14:29:44 <nsh> games are things that other people own
14:29:46 <Morbus> nslater: well. when they come out, you'll hear about them from me, certainly. they're supposedly going to be patching old games to support hem.
14:29:51 <jsled> I'm going back and playing Uncharted again, but much in part because the SO wants good background visuals for knitting.
14:29:58 <Morbus> but i'll be going nutty on them, and probably buying a lot more games.
14:30:01 <jsled> And the game's pretty awesome.
14:30:02 * Morbus twitches.
14:30:07 <procto> sbp: "oh this utterance carries a semantic value, that means it's an illocutionary act"
14:30:13 <nslater> jsled: Uncharted was SHITE :)
14:30:22 <Morbus> i didn't pick up uncharted.
14:30:29 <Morbus> i just bougt the mgs4 bundle with the 80gb harddrive.
14:30:30 <sbp> procto: the fact that this term is not very well understood may mean it is not very well defined
14:30:34 <nslater> I wonder when the next COD is out, I love that
14:30:36 <panni_> "print priority, regexp.pattern.encode('utf-8'), func", line 81 bot.py - is that one intended?`
14:30:40 <Morbus> so i have mgs4, ratchet and clank, hot shots golf, and folklore.
14:30:48 <Morbus> and i'm getting singstar today
14:31:00 <nslater> I only have GTA4 at the moment, when I complete a game I usually sell it
14:31:03 <Morbus> nslater: there are screens/videos of it already.
14:31:05 <Morbus> it's called World at War.
14:31:10 <nslater> ... oh, and about 20 games downloaded from the PS3 store
14:31:16 <Morbus> oh, right, i have Pain too.
14:31:19 <Morbus> i hate that game.
14:31:24 <procto> sbp: certainly. so I've attempted to narrow down what i meant. that is, within a discourse only some utterances are uttered with the expectation of commensurate action
14:31:28 <nslater> have you tried some of the PS3 Store games? some of them are amazing
14:31:29 <Morbus> that came free with the mgs4 bundle.
14:31:34 <procto> sbp: those are the utterances that I would label as speech acts
14:31:42 <Morbus> nslater: i plan to, yes. certainly more so when they start coming with trophies <g>
14:31:54 * Morbus buys most every xbox live arcade game when it comes out every wednesday.
14:31:59 <nslater> heh
14:32:18 <nslater> what I REALLY want is a headset, I wanna do in game chatting
14:32:29 <nslater> I bought one, but it didnt work
14:32:36 <sbp> procto: okay, I think that's probably narrowly defined enough for me to continue to think about this now then
14:32:38 <nslater> wasnt official, or anything, which might have been the problem
14:32:56 <procto> sbp: that is, the intension of the phrase, what it refers to, is an expected action to be performed
14:33:21 <nslater> I also wanna know how everybody in the world except me has "gaming buddies" and "clans" and stuff, is this an artifact of being heavily involved in online gaming communities and stuff?
14:33:24 <jsled> Morbus: :p Uncharted has a fine story, done well, great visuals, simple puzzles and a fun combat system. It's like candy.
14:33:29 <sbp> procto: now, I'm still not sure about hope and religion. could it not be that religion is like some kind of metaphor tacked onto a hope; i.e. that rather than have this vague emotion we try to make it conceptually complete by appealing to some deity?
14:33:34 <procto> sbp: and what is expressed isn't merely a desire to see an action, but the utterance itself carries the expectation
14:33:44 <jsled> s/Morbus/nslater.
14:33:50 <jsled> Whatever.
14:33:50 <sbp> ah. okay, that's a new bit
14:33:59 <nslater> jsled: yeah, it was okay, the graphics are shit though
14:33:59 <Monty> potty mouth!
14:34:17 <Morbus> i didn't pick up unchrated.
14:34:21 <Morbus> my first impression was "tomb raider with a guy".
14:34:22 <nslater> jsled: I picked up Uncharted after playing COD 4, and, well, I actually laughed out loud when it first came on :)
14:34:23 <procto> sbp: I was saying that instead of just expressing your desire, you are thinking that the mere expression of the desire has some active content, as a speech act does
14:34:28 <sbp> I dunno, I don't think in Christianity that can be so
14:34:38 <jsled> huh? you can see individual fern fronds sway around your leg as you move past.
14:34:38 <sbp> "do not tempt the Lord" and all that
14:34:50 <sbp> you can't really expect the deity to do as you command
14:34:53 <procto> sbp: i.e. saying "Hi!" is the whole action.
14:35:08 <sbp> hmm
14:35:10 <jsled> COD4 must be something, then.
14:35:22 <procto> sbp: much like saying "sham israel" is the whole action
14:35:25 <nslater> COD4 is mindblowing, if you dont have it, buyt it
14:35:29 <procto> shma*
14:35:37 <procto> sbp: or I guess the prayer of the lord
14:35:40 <procto> er a psalm
14:35:42 <Morbus> i have it for the xbox 360.
14:35:45 <Morbus> cos, you know, it had achievements ;)
14:35:51 <nslater> haha
14:35:55 <Morbus> jesus, i dunno what i'm gonna do with dual releases.
14:36:02 <Morbus> would i buy the same game for two systems?
14:36:06 <Morbus> oh my god.
14:36:07 <nslater> yeah, I tried to do them on multiplayer but only got to rank 33
14:36:08 <Morbus> moral decision of the year.
14:36:17 <Morbus> i'm gonna be thinking about that for weeks now.
14:36:19 <sbp> procto: again, I can wonder about that in the same terms
14:36:20 <Morbus> CURSE YOU, TROPHIES.
14:36:26 <jsled> I just don't like shooters that much, and I already have the Orange Box and, like, the Bad Company demo. And I guess I'm required to get MGS4, at this point.
14:36:33 <nslater> I must admit, the achievements in COD4 were pretty fun
14:36:37 <sbp> procto: that the only way to lingualise a hope is to have some other agent to hope *of*
14:36:42 <Morbus> jsled: there's a metal gear solid database in the PSN now. for free.
14:36:43 <nslater> MGS?
14:36:50 <Morbus> it's /very/ helpful if you've not played the other MGS games
14:36:52 <Morbus> (i haven't)
14:36:54 <Morbus> metal gear solid.
14:37:03 <nslater> oh, yeah, I saw that in HMV, should I buy?
14:37:11 <Morbus> yes.
14:37:17 <Morbus> but, realize: there are cutscenes an hour long ;)
14:37:18 <nslater> cool, thanks, will have to be monday
14:37:31 <Morbus> i own it, but haven't booted it up yet. been going through the database.
14:37:36 <nslater> database?
14:37:41 <Morbus> (ie., "most convoluted story ever., you need this")
14:37:46 <Morbus> nslater: there's a metal gear solid database in the PSN now. for free.
14:37:53 <nslater> whats a database?
14:38:02 <nslater> is this some gaming terminology ive not heard of before?
14:38:07 <Morbus> no, it's literally, a database.
14:38:12 <Morbus> of terms, and timelines. an encyclopedia.
14:38:12 <jsled> well, it's novel, I believe.
14:38:13 <nslater> like, a codex for the game?
14:38:15 <Morbus> yes.
14:38:17 <nslater> k
14:38:22 <Morbus> the MGS plot is very convoluted and deep.
14:38:27 <nslater> great, I love that
14:38:28 <Morbus> if you've never played one, read the database.
14:38:33 <Morbus> that'll take you a weekend easily ;)
14:38:36 <nslater> i played one level, once
14:38:36 <sbp> procto: it seems a shallow way, to me, to define a "large part" of religion. I'd think it's more concerned with morality, conduct, tradition, those sorts of things, than wish fulfillment
14:38:59 * Morbus stares at sbp.
14:39:17 <sbp> plus the interminable metaphysics
14:39:34 <procto> sbp: well, I was thinking about people who don't go to church, who really don't think about religion, but will still tell you they believe in god, and may ethire tell you they are slightly religious or just "spiritual"
14:39:36 <nslater> sbp: you dont think there are any elements of control in religion?
14:39:54 <procto> sbp: and what they religious activities are
14:40:20 <sbp> nslater: of course. a church may say it's immoral not to give 10% of your income to the church, and that good conduct is therefore going through with giving 10% of your income to the church; that this is a longstanding tradition and will save your soul and...
14:40:30 <nslater> procto: I am a religeous athiest, and I don't pray :)
14:40:35 <procto> sbp: they internalize the conduct and morality. most don't think about them actively. those things are "culture"
14:40:44 <nslater> sbp: sure sure :)
14:41:16 <sbp> procto: if they don't really think about religion, they're probably just soaking it up from popular culture. it would be odd to try to ascribe an individualist psychology to what their religious beliefs then are!
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14:41:52 <procto> sbp: so I was trying to figure out (alas, anecdotally) what would be the distinguishing element. it's a bit of a cop out I though to just say "magical thinking", so I tried to think about how thinking would be different
14:42:16 <procto> sbp: specifically as can be expressed to me, which is via utterances that may be religious or not
14:42:16 <sbp> what's the antecedent of your "so"?
14:42:26 <nslater> .dict antecedent
14:42:27 <phenny> antecedent - 1. something coming before, 2. word that subsequent word refers to
14:42:54 <procto> sbp: it's supposed to come after the period that didn't come after "culture"
14:43:20 <procto> sbp: though I am really elucidating my prior thought processes
14:43:39 <Morbus> sbp http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4201240.ece
14:43:43 <sbp> the distinguishing element between religious wanting and wishing and normal wanting and wishing?
14:44:06 <sbp> Morbus: ooh. are you gonna track this?
14:44:10 <sbp> three weeks till they demolish it
14:44:22 <Morbus> it showed up on the forteana list, so i'll probably see it again, yeah.
14:44:25 <sbp> cool
14:44:29 <Morbus> but i just bookmarked it too.
14:44:33 <Morbus> so, i'll relook in about 2 years.
14:44:34 <Morbus> ;)
14:44:43 <sbp> it'll probably just turn out to be Nazi treasure or something
14:44:48 <Morbus> yeah.
14:44:59 <Morbus> "pff. another fucking grail. jesus. call up the tchotke vendor, eh, Mildred?"
14:44:59 <Monty> potty mouth!
14:45:05 <sbp> hehe
14:45:15 *** sbp changed the topic to: "<Morbus> "pff. another fucking grail. jesus. call up the tchotke vendor, eh, Mildred?""
14:45:54 <sbp> good be a good advertising slogan for earth holidays, to aliens
14:45:56 <procto> sbp: well, i was thinking something like this: I had trouble defining religion/religiousness. it's a sort of "know it when you see it" thing. so I started thinking about how I know it I see it. THat is, someone says something to me (or near me), and I can tell its religious. It doesn't have to be part to any particular set up of a religion
14:46:06 <sbp> "Earth - Home of Over a Dozen Grails!"
14:47:02 <sbp> well, religion is a cultural category
14:47:08 <sbp> so it's bound to be radial
14:47:34 <sbp> so any place where it's worth asking the question, it's unlikely to be useful answering it "yes" or "no"
14:48:18 <sbp> (Aristotle has a lot to answer for. do other cultures have this problem?)
14:48:27 <Morbus> NP: 'Mockin' Bird Hill' from Patti Page's album 'Billboard Top 30 Of 1951'; Rating: 4/5; http://longboredsurfer.com/charts.php?year=1951
14:48:59 <jsled> Morbus: so, was thinking about S&S some more. it seems that much of the Other rules can carry over pretty directly. Skills. Attributes/alignment.
14:49:07 <Morbus> yes, agreed.
14:49:18 <Morbus> for that stuff, i was just gonna make a list of applicable skills.
14:49:22 <nsh> anyone read His Dark Materials?
14:49:25 <Morbus> well, almost all the skills are applicable.
14:49:29 <Morbus> but, like feats too.
14:49:34 <jsled> I'd push back on Classes. I think there's room for existing classes with backstory.
14:49:39 <Morbus> Some feats are combat related, so they would not be put in.
14:49:43 <jsled> Well, Feats are interesting, because t... exactly.
14:49:51 <jsled> We'll need new specific feats.
14:49:55 <Morbus> so, there'd just be a list of "applicable feats".
14:50:00 <sbp> nsh: no. only avolitionists read that, surely
14:50:01 <Morbus> right. and i think they should be created /as part of gameplay/.
14:50:05 <Morbus> same with class powers, etc.
14:50:09 <jsled> hmm.
14:50:23 <Morbus> jsled: most of the class powers in the PHB are combat specific.
14:50:35 <Morbus> playing a "paladin", as described in the book, would be quite rough.
14:50:50 <Morbus> i would /rather/ have a new "theologist" class.
14:50:50 <jsled> Equipment, too, will need to be adapted for the world.
14:51:05 <jsled> So, what about magic and ritual?
14:51:15 <nsh> sbp, see me pretend to have an idea what you mean. see it
14:51:15 <Morbus> basic rules, yes. transposal, no.
14:51:22 <Morbus> ghyll has its own magic reality.
14:51:41 <sbp> procto: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototype_Theory though I'm sure you're aware of it
14:51:42 <jsled> Okay, right. So, backfill the existing things, and … yet more discovery. :)
14:51:47 <Morbus> yeah.
14:51:53 <Morbus> i'm nearly finished reading the PHB now.
14:51:55 <sbp> nsh: you're the one who looked up the word avolition earlier! :-)
14:51:57 <nslater> oh man, check this shizzle out: http://www.geocities.com/the_links_man/
14:52:01 <nslater> [[[
14:52:02 <nslater> The Links Man is a website to help you browse the pages of the internet without the trouble of doing a web search or by coming across a website by chance.
14:52:05 <nslater> The Links Man has handpicked sites of interest and entertainment for your enjoyment. It was in the year 2000 when The links Man first went live on the internet and thousands of web surfers since then have used this site and hopefully thousands more will find this site useful in the years to come.
14:52:10 <nslater> ]]]
14:52:11 <nsh> LIES
14:52:12 <Morbus> but if you wanted to start going through and making legitimate lists (of class powers too, so we can move them into our new classes), that'd be awesome.
14:52:25 <nslater> THOUSANDS
14:52:37 <sbp> hmm, it may have been your evil behyphenated twin:
14:52:38 <sbp> 10:00 <nsh-> .wik Avolition
14:52:38 <sbp> 10:00 <phenny> "Avolition is a psychological state characterized by general lack of desire, drive, or motivation to pursue meaningful goals." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avolition
14:53:14 <jsled> Morbus: I'll keep trying along those lines. I have a lot of Ghyll to catch up on, in order to do so.
14:53:19 <nsh> oh, pay him no mind
14:53:24 <nsh> he's just on safari
14:53:32 <Morbus> well, at first, i'd just go through the PHB and jot down any [thing] that is /not/ combat related.
14:53:43 <Morbus> then, from there, we can widdle down further, or tweak to fit Ghyll.
14:53:54 <sbp> man, Prototype Theory may be the most useful philosophical theory of the 20th century
14:54:04 <jsled> I did that with Skills. I copied the list over to filter out and … maybe "arcana" and "religion" don't carry exactly. The rest are pretty general.
14:54:14 <Morbus> hrm. no, i'd think they carry over.
14:54:22 <Morbus> there are definitely arcada and religious overtures in ghyll.
14:54:24 * Morbus roots around.
14:54:28 <nsh> Fully-searchable digitised Times achvie from 1785-1985 http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/archive/
14:55:09 <Morbus> http://www.gamegrene.com/wiki/Theoalchemy
14:55:09 <sbp> “The notion of prototypes is related to Wittgenstein's (later) discomfort with the traditional notion of category.” - how on earth can it be later?
14:55:28 <Morbus> http://www.gamegrene.com/wiki/Religious_Right
14:55:42 <nsh> because he had an earlier [lack of] discomfort theretoward
14:55:52 <nslater> Morbus: oh wow, the link you posted from the timesonline has a salmon background in various parts that is SO subtle it makes my eyes hurt
14:56:17 <nslater> I spent about 20 seconds wondering where my "sun spot" had come from (or whatever you call it)
14:56:29 <jsled> Right. I clearly need to stop reading the PHB and start reading more Ghyll.
14:56:34 <nslater> PHB?
14:56:34 <Morbus> hehe
14:56:48 <sbp> nsh: "Registration required"
14:56:48 <Morbus> Hythmium
14:56:51 <Morbus> http://www.gamegrene.com/wiki/Hythmium
14:56:58 * sbp has had this for free via Athens for years anyway
14:56:59 <Morbus> http://www.gamegrene.com/wiki/Nitenmangrey
14:57:14 <Morbus> there was another one i'm looking for. what the hell was it.
14:57:24 <nsh> Yesterday his Majesty took the diversion of stag hunting in Windsor Forest. The Knights of the Bath are summoned to attend at St. James's on Friday next, when a Chapter will be held to invest General Campbell with the Ensigns of the Order previous to his departure for Madras, on board the Earl Talbot.
14:57:26 <jsled> I thought the Ickle and retrackets articles were awesome, though.
14:57:26 <Morbus> it was like, the seven sisters or something.
14:57:36 <Morbus> ickles was mine. thanks!
14:57:46 <Morbus> oh, retrackets was too.
14:57:46 <Morbus> hahah
14:57:54 <sbp> hehe
14:57:54 <jsled> Both were, it seems. And soft spot. That whole interplay, between them.
14:57:56 <nsh> registrashuwhuh?
14:58:07 <nsh> http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/viewArticle.arc?toDate=1785-12-31&fromDate=1785-01-01&currentPageNumber=1&resultsPerPage=10&sortBy=default&offset=0&viewName=&addFilters=&removeFilters=&addCat=&queryKeywords=moon&sectionId=1040&currPgSmartSet=1&pageId=ARCHIVE-The_Times-1785-09-28-02&articleId=ARCHIVE-The_Times-1785-09-28-02-003&xmlpath=&pubId=17&totalResults=25&addRefineFilters=&removeRefineFilters=&addRefineCat=&next_Page=false&prev_Page=false&date_dd_Fro
14:58:12 <sbp> nsh: to see the articles, yo must registrate yoself
14:58:17 <nsh> EEK< STOOPIDURL
14:58:21 <nsh> i didn't...
14:58:40 <nsh> http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/keywordsearch.arc search for something and just click a result
14:58:54 <sbp> oh, hmm
14:59:05 <sbp> what about the <R> buttons though?
14:59:31 <Morbus> jsled: ah well. i can't find what i'm looking for.
14:59:38 <Morbus> either way, yeah, arcana and religion would be fine.
14:59:41 * nsh looks askance
14:59:56 <nsh> oh, you read the introduction
15:00:01 <nsh> you're such a newb sometimes sbp
15:00:03 <sbp> or athwart?
15:00:12 <sbp> I didn't read the introduction
15:00:20 <sbp> in the search results, there's a button which says <R>
15:00:22 <nsh> *
15:00:22 <nsh> During our free introductory period access all articles in the Times Archive free. Just register when you do a search and see this symbol Times Archive
15:00:32 <sbp> and before the image loads, the alt text says Registration Required
15:00:32 <nsh> that was in the kinda box i would never read
15:00:35 <nsh> ah
15:00:36 <sbp> and it was by all the results
15:00:52 <sbp> though clicking on them does indeed take me to the result without requiring registration
15:00:57 <sbp> I suspect they may have upfucked it
15:01:02 <nsh> probably
15:01:08 <sbp> and that once found out, this high level of public access will disappear
15:01:11 <nsh> someone should leeeeeerrchify all the pages
15:01:15 <sbp> hehe, yeah
15:01:15 <Monty> tarekesber: about that marking read then I thought that they'd might have stopped playing a simple website, about object file in a weird
15:03:23 <sbp> woah, cool:
15:03:23 <sbp> [[[
15:03:24 <sbp> Recent linguistic data from colour studies seem to indicate that categories may have more than one focal element - e.g. the Tsonga colour term rihlaza refers to a green-blue continuum, but appears to have two prototypes, a focal blue, and a focal green. Thus, it is possible to have single categories with multiple, disconnected, prototypes, in which case they may constitute the intersection of several convex sets rather than a single one.
15:03:24 <sbp> ]]]
15:04:16 <sbp> phenny: tell Arnia bet you already know but, cool: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-06-24#T15-03-23 (summary: radial categories may have multiple focal points)
15:04:17 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
15:05:04 <nsh> English -- before it got shit:
15:05:04 <Monty> potty mouth!
15:05:07 <nsh> "That your Petitioner, impressed with a high sense of teh value of that branch of hte Legistalture, which they have been taught to consider as the natural guardian of the rights of the people, from whom it derives its power, and to whom it is accountable for the execution of the the trust, could not behold, without great indignation, an attempt so iinsulting to the dignity of Parliament, which has been thereby rendered maimed and incomplete in its constitution
15:05:17 *** zookofood is now known as zooko
15:05:21 * nsh finds contemporary times article for comparison
15:05:51 <nsh> *typos
15:05:55 <sbp> hehe
15:06:14 <sbp> yeah, as I say, I've been through all this archive...
15:06:23 <sbp> and it gets crap at about the time they start putting pictures in
15:06:32 <nsh> "Over the past nine months, lenders have been passing on the increased cost of swap rates, the money markets that determine fixed rate lending in the form of higher rates to borrowers, after the credit crunch made banks more reluctant to lend to each other."
15:06:42 <nsh> longest sentence i could find in random timesonline article
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15:06:53 <clsn> since a picture is worth a thousand words, the word market was glutted and the cost/value went down.
15:06:56 <sbp> clearly the pictures are to blame
15:07:25 <sbp> ergo, someone ought make a newspaper with no pictures
15:07:35 <sbp> the occasional charicature or diagram would be warranted
15:07:42 <zooko> Good Morning! (UTC-7)
15:07:56 <sbp> p'nawn da (BST, cy)
15:08:07 <nsh> NO GOOD COMES FROM UTC-7
15:08:11 <clsn> Almost no magazine, with the possible exception of "Bereaved Parents' Monthly", would not be improved by the addition of a comic section.
15:08:31 <sbp> comics are clearly a kind of diagram
15:08:56 <sbp> the section ought be entitled thus:
15:09:09 <nslater> yes, there was something in that magic ink article about comics qua infomation graphics
15:09:12 <sbp> The Diagrammatical Comic Section
15:09:15 <clsn> .whois swhack.com
15:09:21 <zooko> You are invited to a Hack Fest the day after tomorrow (Thursday) in San Francisco. mailto:zooko@zooko.com
15:09:23 <clsn> Does phenny do a .whois thing?
15:09:30 <sbp> clsn: nope
15:09:38 <clsn> OK, wasn't sure.
15:09:44 <sbp> zooko: coolz, thanks. hmm, not sure we have any SFers
15:09:47 <sbp> perhaps bancus could get there
15:09:50 * clsn was wondering about posthocergopropterhoc.com... hmm.
15:10:09 <nslater> who is zooko?
15:10:27 <sbp> zooko is an auncient Swhacker who says less than deltab
15:10:33 <nslater> wow
15:10:39 <sbp> clsn: posthocergopropterhoc.com is taken
15:10:44 <nslater> or d8uv
15:10:52 <sbp> registrant is Ian Escritt of the UK
15:10:54 <sbp> nslater: yeah
15:11:01 <nslater> :(
15:11:48 <clsn> It was too obvious not to be taken.
15:13:00 <panni_> nslater: youre right, there is no join event. should i do it via setup() then, spawning the thread myself?
15:13:38 <nslater> in the past I usually trigger off a loop from a regular speaking event
15:13:53 <nslater> you have a secondary function and if it's not running, run it, and if it isn't ignore it
15:14:14 <sbp> nsh: hmm. so if you stole all of The Times's editorial staff and journalists from the year 1910 and brought them to the present day and got them to form a kind of Shadow Times, I wonder what it'd read like?
15:14:32 <nsh> oooo
15:14:35 <nsh> the Shadow Times
15:14:53 <nsh> internet quantum voodooery causes packet leakthrough from shadow journalism timeline...
15:14:55 <nslater> lisppaste2: url
15:14:56 <Monty> tings okay, I obssess over billions to work experience there is "join"'d in charge them
15:14:56 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
15:15:09 <sbp> I would read that newspaper. that would be a newspaper worth reading
15:15:31 <sbp> remember when I went through that phase of reading the paper from 100 years ago?
15:15:41 <sbp> rather than the present day news
15:15:45 <nsh> as revealations are revealicated regarding the revelry that is normative in the nonmodernised realm, ruptures are wrought in the rubric of rhapsody
15:15:50 <sbp> and then stopped when I noticed that they had a "100 Years Ago Today" column in 1908...
15:15:53 <nsh> i kinda got lost there
15:16:22 * nsh smiles
15:16:41 <sbp> ooh
15:16:42 <nsh> TIME_SPAZ
15:16:44 <sbp> even better idae
15:16:47 <lisppaste2> nslater pasted "BUGGY implementation of Phenny announce module" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62765
15:16:50 <nsh> makeittold
15:16:50 <sbp> IDÆ
15:16:58 <nslater> panni_: see above ^^
15:17:01 <_bjoern> .g cpan win32 clr
15:17:02 <phenny> _bjoern: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Win32-CLR/
15:17:03 <sbp> well, instead of having a newspaper which reports on things from the present day
15:17:12 <sbp> or reading one which reports on things from 100 years ago
15:17:24 <nsh> go on.,..
15:17:26 <sbp> you could have a newspaper which reports on all kinds of history from the last 200 years
15:17:26 <nsh> ,.,.,
15:17:33 <sbp> any story from any date in that period
15:17:39 <sbp> and also some made up stories
15:17:41 <nsh> hmmm
15:17:44 <nsh> i like
15:18:06 <nsh> i was thinking we take the times from today, and the times from 100(+) years ago
15:18:14 <nsh> and use cut-up to make the one tell the stories of the other
15:18:27 <nsh> rearranging sentences and phrases and such
15:18:42 <sbp> so you'd read the front cover and it'd be like Khrushchev comes up with some new agricultural reform, and then page two is notes about the latest from the Crimean War
15:18:54 <sbp> hmm, that's a good idea too
15:19:09 <nsh> it'd be good actually
15:19:11 <nsh> hrmm
15:19:19 <nsh> to make some kinda video game with these idea
15:19:28 <nsh> with lotsa time-spazzing around the continuum
15:19:40 <nsh> and multiplayer investigative snoopery
15:19:54 <nsh> of a semifactually-evolving universe
15:19:57 <sbp> if I were the head of secret police in some country
15:20:16 <sbp> I'd force all newspapers to print "(we can see you)" at the bottom of every page
15:20:46 * nsh makes note to get a stamp with that message on and go by WH Smiths early one morning
15:22:51 <sbp> [[[
15:22:52 <sbp> Until the 1970s, when women's lib issues came to the forefront, most newspapers had a "Women's" section devoted entirely to fashion and society news. Papers even printed "cheesecake" feature photos of attractive young women in bikinis, often transmitted by the AP or UPI wire services, illustrating various news events or feature ideas.
15:22:57 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News
15:24:13 <sbp> there's no mention on that article about why people care so much
15:26:33 <sbp> nsh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_development for luls
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15:27:22 <jsled> d3llboy: a/s/l‽
15:27:37 <nsh> sweet
15:27:38 <panni_> nslater: thank you, thats very useful
15:27:54 <_bjoern> [!] THIS ARTICLE CONTAINS TOO MANY WIKIBOXES ABOUT THIS ARTICLE.
15:28:31 <nslater> panni_: please bear in mind that the code has a weird bug where the secondary function stops for some unknown reason after a perdiod of time, not sure why
15:28:39 <nslater> panni_: if you figure out, please tell me :)
15:29:26 <_bjoern> It runs out of file handles!
15:30:03 <nslater> _bjoern: why would it do that?
15:30:18 <_bjoern> I don't know!
15:30:23 <nslater> ha]
15:31:09 <sbp> nsh: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Puck112188c.jpg
15:31:12 <sbp> from 1888!
15:31:13 <panni_> nslater: is that callback function needed?
15:31:29 <nslater> afk
15:31:46 <_bjoern> Not a very convincing excuse.
15:31:47 <nsh> E_NOTENUFHAX
15:31:54 <nsh> please implement more h4xingly
15:31:59 <_bjoern> k
15:32:00 <nsh> sbp: niiiice
15:33:54 <sbp> [[[
15:33:54 <sbp> Hearst placed his newspapers at the service of the Democrats during the 1900 presidential election. He later campaigned for his party's presidential nomination, but lost much of his personal prestige when columnist Ambrose Bierce and editor Arthur Brisbane published separate columns months apart that called for the assassination of McKinley.
15:34:06 <sbp> When McKinley was shot on 6 September 1901, the Republican press went livid, accusing Hearst of driving Leon Czolgosz to the deed. Hearst did not know of Bierce's column and claimed to have pulled Brisbane's after it ran in a first edition, but the incident would haunt him for the rest of his life and all but destroyed his presidential ambitions.
15:34:11 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
15:36:16 <sbp> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Hsas-chart.jpg
15:36:44 <sbp> [[[
15:36:44 <sbp> A 2003 episode of The Oprah Winfrey Show claimed that there was a widespread fashion among teenage girls to take part in elaborate sex orgies named rainbow parties. Although fantastic from the outset, and despite the fact that it was never substantiated that even a single "rainbow party" had taken place before
15:36:49 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic
15:37:39 <sbp> .wik Deviancy amplification spiral
15:37:39 <phenny> "Deviancy amplification spiral (also simply called deviance amplification) is a media hype phenomenon defined by media critics as an increasing cycle of reporting on a category of antisocial behavior or other undesirable events." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviancy_amplification_spiral
15:38:37 <nslater> panni_: YMMV, it's an old script that I don't really use any more :)
15:38:51 <nslater> panni_: I can rewrite if you like, my hourly rates are quite reasonable ;)
15:44:05 <jsled> sbp: reminds me of the recent "pregnancy pact" story: http://news.google.com/?ncl=1223055151&hl=en
15:49:40 <sbp> yeah, that got coverage here too, would you believe
15:49:45 <sbp> as a BBC News headline story, even!
15:50:47 * nsh has a vague feeling that was maded the up
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16:10:04 <Monty> bah, it's andersfeder again
16:10:30 <_bjoern> .gcs "Ara ruft Fu" "Fu ruft Ara"
16:10:31 <phenny> "Fu ruft Ara" (10), "Ara ruft Fu" (2)
16:10:39 <zachb> .gc "ada fruit"
16:10:40 <phenny> "ada fruit": 973
16:11:26 <_bjoern> .gc "Zeig es den Landratten"
16:11:26 <phenny> "Zeig es den Landratten": 0
16:11:31 <_bjoern> .gc "Zeig's den Landratten"
16:11:31 <phenny> "Zeig's den Landratten": 0
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16:58:17 <_bjoern> swhack hangman: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
16:58:21 <_bjoern> WHOSIN?
16:59:34 <_bjoern> WIN A FREE BOTRIDE
16:59:59 <jsled> R
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17:00:04 <_bjoern> '"OPEC has already done what OPEC can do and prices will not come down," Mr Khelil said as he arrived for a meeting with EU energy officials in Brussels.'
17:00:09 <_bjoern> no R
17:00:22 <nsh> N N N N N N U U U
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17:00:44 <_bjoern> no n
17:00:45 <_bjoern> no n
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17:01:08 <_bjoern> no u
17:01:09 <_bjoern> no u
17:01:15 <_bjoern> you so hang already
17:01:36 <jsled> E
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17:02:35 <jsled> s
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17:02:45 <jsled> T
17:02:53 <_bjoern> _ u _ _ t _ _ e s
17:02:56 <jsled> L
17:03:01 <_bjoern> _ u _ _ t _ l e s
17:03:02 <jsled> N
17:03:07 <jsled> WAIT.
17:03:10 <_bjoern> no
17:03:15 <jsled> m
17:03:18 <_bjoern> we had n six times already
17:03:20 <_bjoern> no m
17:03:32 <nsh> IS THAR MOAR N?
17:03:57 <_bjoern> I'll ram an n up your duckslot.
17:04:02 <jsled> D
17:04:08 <_bjoern> d u _ _ t _ l e s
17:04:15 <jsled> C
17:04:19 <_bjoern> d u c _ t _ l e s
17:04:29 <jsled> A
17:04:33 <_bjoern> d u c _ t a l e s
17:04:41 <jsled> Oh! K!
17:04:46 <_bjoern> d u c k t a l e s
17:04:48 <_bjoern> winz
17:04:53 <_bjoern> You may ride on Monty now.
17:04:54 <Monty> howsit silly?
17:05:00 <jsled> Oh, I'll show you, Monty.
17:05:01 <Monty> reducing fragmentation
17:05:03 <_bjoern> DESPITE the many bad guesses early on.
17:05:19 <jsled> Oh, you'll be fragmented, Monty.
17:05:21 <Monty> I reckon lesbians + Barry White = bag!
17:06:15 <_bjoern> .title http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008013912_erickson24m.html
17:06:16 <phenny> _bjoern: Local News | Woman details abortion, relationship with "pro-life" congressional candidate | Seattle Times Newspaper
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17:23:05 <procto> sbp: Arnia: what do you think of http://expo.sf.net ?
17:23:50 <_bjoern> .wik Aberystwyth
17:23:50 <procto> perhaps...
17:23:50 <phenny> "Aberystwyth (English: Mouth of the River Ystwyth, pronounced /ˌæbəˈrɪstwɪθ/, in South Wales dialect: IPA: [abɛrˈəstɔʏθ]) is an historic market town, administrative centre and holiday resort within Ceredigion, Wales." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberystwyth
17:24:04 <procto> phenny: tell Arnia what do you think of http://expo.sf.net?
17:24:04 <phenny> procto: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
17:24:11 <procto> phenny: tell sbp what do you think of http://expo.sf.net?
17:24:11 <phenny> procto: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
17:25:12 <_bjoern> The name makes me think of
17:25:16 <_bjoern> .wik Expo 2000
17:25:16 <phenny> "Expo 2000 was a World's Fair held in Hanover, Germany from June 1 to October 31, 2000." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo_2000
17:25:17 <_bjoern> which is bad.
17:25:27 <procto> hehe
17:25:50 <procto> I think they shortened from "ExpOnt" which just sounds funky
17:26:23 <_bjoern> First time I hear this: "Recently, he was responsible for the design of Expo 2000 (the world exposition that took place in Hanover in the year 2000), design of the Shanghai International Automobile City and the Beijing Olympic complex." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer_%28the_younger%29
17:28:59 <_bjoern> .gcs "your penis" "my penis"
17:29:05 <phenny> "my penis" (4,960,000), "your penis" (3,860,000)
17:35:21 <sbp> procto: I don't believe that OWL is a worthwhile technology
17:35:22 <phenny> sbp: 17:24Z <procto> tell sbp what do you think of http://expo.sf.net?
17:35:49 <sbp> and that this affects all its applications, at the moment
17:36:03 <sbp> therefore I don't believe that EXPO is worthwhile
17:37:16 <_bjoern> tasty f00d
17:37:22 <_bjoern> no baked owls though
17:39:04 <Morbus> hrm.
17:39:13 <Morbus> did firefox 3 stop showing right arrows for other folks?
17:39:14 <Morbus> .cp arrow
17:39:15 <phenny> Morbus: .cp has been replaced by .u
17:39:18 <Morbus> .u arrow
17:39:19 <phenny> U+2191 UPWARDS ARROW (↑)
17:39:19 <Monty> "you"
17:39:25 <Morbus> .u right arrow
17:39:26 <Monty> "you"
17:39:26 <phenny> U+2192 RIGHTWARDS ARROW (→)
17:39:42 <Morbus> i have them on the "View the rest of 'em" links on disobey's sidebar.
17:39:45 <Morbus> but they're not showing up for me anymore.
17:40:25 <_bjoern> "The event will be held under the theme Feeding the planet, energy for life." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo_2015
17:40:51 <_bjoern> 'The theme of the exposition will be "