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00:20:22 <Monty> hey jeffarch
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00:35:19 <Monty> welcome, litwol
00:35:23 <litwol> sup
00:35:29 <litwol> i heard you guys have tells
00:35:30 <litwol> tell?
00:35:46 <litwol> !help tell
00:35:49 <litwol> help tell?
00:35:58 <litwol> Morbus: how does this work?
00:36:07 <Morbus> this channel is logged.
00:36:11 <Morbus> you're making a fool of yourself ;)
00:36:21 <Morbus> phenny, tell litwol sup.
00:36:21 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when litwol is around.
00:36:29 <litwol> l
00:36:29 <phenny> litwol: 00:36Z <Morbus> tell litwol sup.
00:36:36 <litwol> i c
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00:40:49 <clsn> u haz tellz.
00:41:27 <litwol> i mast haz cuky wit mah tellz! hai hai
00:41:59 <litwol> Monty: hi
00:41:59 <Monty> Right...
00:42:03 <litwol> Monty: help
00:42:04 <Monty> Help: I understand the following commands: help save stats time lookup thesaurus foldoc ignore remind tell random countdown seen javadoc acronym 'insult me' paper/scissors/stone calc day define/declare/set
00:42:05 <Monty> Help: To ask me for help about a certain command, try "Monty: help <command>"
00:42:35 <clsn> Isn't Monty wonderful? We hope someday to be able to program a bot to act just like him.
00:42:35 <Monty> ::
00:42:50 <litwol> phenny: help
00:42:51 <phenny> litwol: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see http://inamidst.com/phenny/ for more general details. My owner is sbp.
00:42:59 <litwol> bots?
00:43:01 <litwol> bot?
00:43:06 <litwol> who are the bots here?
00:43:18 <clsn> That's a matter of some debate...
00:43:25 <litwol> heh
00:43:33 <litwol> clsn: help
00:43:45 <clsn> Yes?
00:43:46 <litwol> slow bot -_-
00:43:51 <clsn> I am beyond help, sorry.
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00:59:47 <procto> kekeke
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01:02:54 <procto> a person has been killed by the MBTA every day of the last 3 days
01:02:57 <procto> that's 3 people so far
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07:04:26 <xover> .title http://paintalicious.org/2007/09/14/ron-mueck-hyper-realist-sculptor/
07:04:27 <phenny> xover: Ron Mueck: Hyper-Realist Sculptor | paintalicious
07:04:31 <xover> phenny: tell sbp http://paintalicious.org/2007/09/14/ron-mueck-hyper-realist-sculptor/
07:04:31 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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07:48:25 <Mike_L> meow
07:50:48 <selggig> woof
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07:55:02 <_bjoern> hmm http://code.google.com/apis/accounts/docs/OAuth.html
07:57:53 <_bjoern> They have a problem with whitespace.
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08:06:40 <_bjoern> there are other bugs aswell, like oauth_nonce being hex while being documented as decimal
08:08:57 <_bjoern> .gs HEAR NAME WAS LEIA, SHE WAS A *
08:08:58 <phenny> HEAR NAME WAS LEIA, SHE WAS A *: No results!
08:09:14 <_bjoern> .gs HER NAME WAS LEIA, SHE WAS A *
08:09:14 <phenny> HER NAME WAS LEIA, SHE WAS A *: princess (37), showgirl (2)
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08:36:35 <sbp> yo
08:36:35 <phenny> sbp: 07:04Z <xover> tell sbp http://paintalicious.org/2007/09/14/ron-mueck-hyper-realist-sculptor/
08:38:19 <sbp> awesome
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08:43:03 <Monty> But what does Talliesin have to do with the price of fish?
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09:08:32 <_bjoern> mix'n'yoyo p-män.
09:12:13 <_bjoern> hmm I should beat up some nazis in my quest for the holy grail while f00dzoring.
09:12:26 <_bjoern> in sixteen awesome colors.
09:13:07 <spb> speaking of which
09:13:11 <spb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feLqz1udhtY
09:15:29 <_bjoern> .title
09:15:30 <phenny> _bjoern: YouTube - Notorious H.I.T.
09:26:12 <danja> phenny, tell Arnia got your message, will check around
09:26:13 <phenny> danja: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
10:03:59 <sbp> "Royal family cost us each 66p per year" - BBC News
10:07:20 <_bjoern> How much would you make if you sold them off?
10:07:53 <_bjoern> I mean, the associated properties and such, not sure anyone would take the family members.
10:15:40 * nsh can afford one pound thirty-two pence a year if he gets his own second royal family
10:23:40 <sbp> .gc "from Stalin to Mr. Bean"
10:23:41 <phenny> "from Stalin to Mr. Bean": 661
10:23:48 <sbp> Vince Cable on the PM's transformation
10:24:04 <sbp> _bjoern: probably a few quid
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10:24:30 <_bjoern> that must be trillions of dollars.
10:24:45 <sbp> heh, yeah
10:24:55 <spb> a few quid probably works out to three hundred dollars these days
10:25:03 <spb> multiply that by the population of the uk and see what you get
10:25:29 <sbp> well that's just the same joke but not as hyperbolic, isn't it?
10:25:49 <spb> oh, more or less
10:26:02 <_bjoern> when emph on ORE
10:26:08 <_bjoern> with
10:26:14 <_bjoern> wow that came out all wrong
10:26:18 <_bjoern> except for the ORE
10:26:33 <spb> but that sort of joke works best when someone isn't quite sure whether you're serious or not
10:27:01 <_bjoern> I don't think anyone is ever quite certain that I am serious, or not.
10:27:16 <spb> i make a speciality of people not knowing whether i'm serious
10:27:40 <spb> most of my friends know the very simple rule behind it though
10:27:56 <sbp> when you have PMT, you're *serious*?
10:28:06 <spb> simpler than that, even
10:28:19 <_bjoern> You always take whatever position is the most fun to take?
10:28:25 <spb> oh, there's that as well
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10:30:44 <_bjoern> I wonder, do we have a DeKitty?
10:31:52 <sbp> EnKitty is Us, I notice
10:32:00 <sbp> completely faking its Enity
10:36:55 <_bjoern> .c sixteen million times (four plus ten plus ten)
10:36:56 <phenny> sixteen million times ((four plus ten) plus ten) = three hundred eighty-four million
10:37:09 <_bjoern> .c sixteen million times (four plus ten plus ten) times 1 byte in MB
10:37:09 <phenny> sixteen million times ((four plus ten) plus ten) times (1 byte) = 366.210938 megabytes
10:44:24 <sbp> "a royal is seventeen times more expensive than an MP"
10:45:05 <_bjoern> how many royals?
10:47:59 <danja> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_British_throne
10:48:25 <_bjoern> I hope that's not the list.
10:48:51 <_bjoern> it seems shorter than last time I checked
10:48:57 <_bjoern> maybe due to font sizes though
10:50:18 <danja> heh
10:50:30 <nsh> .c 80 USD in EUR
10:50:31 <phenny> 80 U.S. dollars = 50.7710859 Euros
10:50:44 <danja> "...skipped Walther, Baron of Daublebsky von Sterneck zu Ehrenstein (b. 1929), grandson of Countess Emma of Reuss-Greiz, notorious newt-groper"
10:58:18 <_bjoern> huh, why would I get a syntax error with `SELECT x as notNull FROM ...`? Is notNull is a reserved word now?
10:58:24 <_bjoern> It works if I call it "foo" instead
11:04:39 <_bjoern> .c 0x20ac in decimal
11:04:40 <phenny> 0x20ac = 8 364
11:24:45 <_bjoern> .c sqrt(18352)
11:24:45 <phenny> sqrt(18 352) = 135.469554
11:25:03 <_bjoern> .c sqrt(10052)
11:25:03 <phenny> sqrt(10 052) = 100.259663
11:25:26 <_bjoern> .c sqrt(18352 - 10052)
11:25:26 <phenny> sqrt(18 352 - 10 052) = 91.1043358
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11:39:07 <_bjoern> oh i see it is a keyword there, allright then
11:54:31 <_bjoern> lisppaste2: url?
11:54:31 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
11:54:31 <Monty> accident or simpy tragedy
11:57:42 <lisppaste2> _bjoern pasted "How U+0001 - U+00FF can tell encodings apart" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62893
11:58:07 <_bjoern> Winner for the first code point is "!"
11:59:21 <_bjoern> the next step would eliminate all the rows with (enc,enc) pairs where we can tell the encodings apart from how they encode !
11:59:28 <_bjoern> then run the query again
12:01:40 <_bjoern> not sure how to delete them all in one go
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12:27:06 <_bjoern> .u `
12:27:06 <phenny> U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT (`)
12:32:49 <Morbus> .
12:38:01 <_bjoern> Does `DELETE FROM comp WHERE EXISTS (SELECT * FROM comp AS u WHERE u.codePoint = 33 AND u.diff = 0 AND u.encodingA = comp.encodingA AND u.encodingB = comp.encodingB);` look right to get rid of all (encodingA, encodingB) pairs that also occur in the result of the select?
12:40:00 <clsn> Any SQL statement that includes a nested select is already beyond me, but aren't you comparing the same table to itself?
12:40:32 <clsn> aren't the encodingA's and encodingB's always going to be the same?
12:41:18 <_bjoern> Yes, in that I do "delete this row if there is a row in this table with..."
12:42:51 <clsn> ok, I'm still not sure what you're doing... Oh, so you want to delete this row if there is another row anywhere in the table with the same A and B encodings?
12:43:21 <_bjoern> the inner select identifies (encA, encB) pairs that can be deleted
12:43:36 <_bjoern> Then I want to delete all rows that have a (encA, encB) pair that can be deleted
12:43:54 <clsn> No, but you aren't/can't specify that it's a *different* row... but you're putting codepoint and diff restrictions on it... Um, ok, nevermind, my SQL-fu is only barely sufficient for the simplest of matters; this is past me.
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12:46:57 <Monty> howdy, kpreid
12:48:09 <_bjoern> In any case the select count(*) in place of the delete is awfully slow
12:48:29 <_bjoern> eight minutes now, counting the number of rows to be deleted takes less than a second
12:55:51 <_bjoern> Actually I never counted those
12:55:59 <_bjoern> still the performance is not acceptable
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13:03:51 <Monty> welcome, mahound
13:04:01 <mahound> hey Monty
13:04:02 <Monty> utter fail
13:04:54 * darobin impressed
13:05:13 <darobin> Mail.app somehow parses free text in email messages and recognises bits that are contact details
13:05:48 <darobin> if you hover them it offers to add them to your address book, and scarily enough those I tried it got right
13:07:14 <Morbus> finally.
13:07:20 <Morbus> looks like 1.13alpha can rename images.
13:07:21 <Morbus> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/LocalFile.php?r1=34169&r2=34168&pathrev=34169
13:07:24 * Morbus talks to himself.
13:07:55 <_bjoern> Good to know what they work on, instead of turning it into a good mail app.
13:09:25 <darobin> there is no such thing as a good mail app, so there's no point in working on that
13:10:09 <jsled> _bjoern: no, it doesn't.
13:10:24 <_bjoern> enlighten me!
13:10:44 <_bjoern> It's been three years since I did non-trivial sql unfortunately...
13:11:07 <darobin> has anyone used TinyMCE? is it possible to turn it into something like a structured XML editor?
13:11:10 <jsled> One problem seems to be the delete doesn't constrain to the inner-select's codepoint. On second thought, that might be what you want...?
13:12:27 * jsled re-reads backscroll.
13:12:53 <_bjoern> the diff column tells you whether encA and encB encode the code point differently
13:13:04 <_bjoern> I want a string that's encoded differently by each and every encoding
13:13:17 <_bjoern> so I pick a code point, 33 above, and then delete all the rows I no longer need
13:13:45 <_bjoern> that is, all that deal with (encA,encB) if the two encode code point 33 differntly
13:14:00 <_bjoern> So I do not want to constrain the delete to this one code point
13:15:27 <jsled> `delete from comp where diff = 0`, and see what's left?
13:16:46 <_bjoern> Diff should really be called `equiv` because it's 1 if they are the same
13:17:05 <_bjoern> I need both 1 and 0 in diff because I need to tell whether the encoding encodes the code point at all
13:18:09 <_bjoern> (e.g., if I'd pick the euro sign as first character, I'd run into trouble with all encodings that don't support this character)
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13:23:47 <jsled> _bjoern: so that'd be represented where encodingA = encodingB ?
13:24:04 * _bjoern can't parse the question
13:24:45 <_bjoern> encodingA = encodingB never happens in a single row
13:25:09 <_bjoern> (obviously utf-8 encodes every cp exactly like utf-8 does)
13:25:19 <jsled> What do you mean by "whether the encoding encodes the code point at all"?
13:25:33 <jsled> (Well, that whole line, actaully)
13:25:33 <_bjoern> us-ascii cannot encode the euro symbol
13:26:12 <jsled> right, I understand some encodings can't encode various codepoints. How is that represented by two encodings and a diff column in the table?
13:27:01 <_bjoern> The euro sign would have no row with encA = us-ascii or encB = us-ascii
13:27:15 <_bjoern> (To pick a code point I do this http://paste.lisp.org/display/62893 hence the 33 above)
13:27:55 <_bjoern> sqlite> CREATE TEMPORARY TABLE tmp AS SELECT encodingA, encodingB FROM comp AS u WHERE u.codePoint = 33 AND u.diff = 0;
13:27:55 <_bjoern> sqlite> create index idx_tmp on tmp (encodingA, encodingB);
13:27:55 <_bjoern> sqlite> select count(*) FROM comp WHERE EXISTS (SELECT * FROM tmp AS u WHERE u.encodingA = comp.encodingA AND u.encodingB = comp.encodingB);
13:27:55 <_bjoern> 5190194
13:27:57 <jsled> What is 33, btw?
13:28:01 <_bjoern> !
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13:29:54 <jsled> .u 21
13:29:55 <phenny> jsled: Sorry, no results for '21'.
13:29:59 <jsled> .u 0021
13:29:59 <phenny> U+0021 EXCLAMATION MARK (!)
13:30:04 <jsled> Oh. Heh.
13:30:08 <_bjoern> :-)
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13:33:07 <jsled> _bjoern: but you eventually want to do the delete for all codepoints?
13:34:01 <_bjoern> kinda; ideally I would be able to tell all (enc,enc) pairs apart by the choice of code points, that would mean deleting all rows.
13:34:36 <_bjoern> That won't happen though as some encodings are compatible subsets of other ones, e.g. us-ascii of many encodings.
13:35:26 <_bjoern> the first delete is running now in a transaction ... AND IT'LL FAIL
13:35:31 * _bjoern quickly deletes some files
13:35:38 <_bjoern> running out of disk space no good
13:36:02 <jsled> indeed. I've been watching one of my partitions dwindle away each day; now I'm at DANGER ZONE>
13:36:04 <_bjoern> seems I got there in time.
13:36:21 <_bjoern> I had all my hard drives overfull for the better part of this year
13:36:37 <_bjoern> as in, cannot fetch mails because they don't fit no more.
13:36:46 <jsled> oofa.
13:37:18 <_bjoern> Now there's a 500GB drive in the board next to me, full.
13:38:30 <clsn> Yeah... And there's still all that porn out there, that isn't going to download itself...
13:39:07 <_bjoern> Don't remind me of Stage6's untimely demise :(
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13:39:30 <_bjoern> Okay let's delete ... Qt examples now
13:39:37 <_bjoern> > 1GB wtf
13:39:37 * clsn thinks internet bandwidth should be measured in porn per unit time.
13:39:59 <_bjoern> the journal is now half the size of the db...
13:40:00 <spb> too much room for variation in that unit
13:40:44 <jsled> Well, various predilections and tastes could replace the kilo-, mega-, &c. multiplier.
13:40:59 <clsn> Yeah, we'd have to standardize the unit of porn.
13:41:15 <clsn> boobs-per-second could work, but it's kind of parochial.
13:41:31 <spb> boobs per second is problematic
13:41:48 <sbp> clsn: note, I am sbp; spb is spb
13:41:49 <spb> a given connection would download an image, or video, containing six boobs at the same speed as one containing two
13:42:00 <sbp> ^ ^ ^ spb
13:42:02 <sbp> <- sbp
13:42:03 <spb> sbp: oh stop spoiling the fun
13:42:09 <clsn> Well, if there are problems I am sure there'd be no shortage of volunteers to study the issue.
13:42:11 <sbp> clsn is not to be confused
13:42:28 <clsn> It doesn't matter, as far as I care you're the same person who happens to disagree with himself from time to time.
13:42:36 <sbp> anyway, it's not like I go around impersonating you all that often
13:42:44 <spb> i should register csln
13:42:48 <sbp> it's very rare indeed that I get favours from other staffers
13:43:00 <sbp> I demand more for my coincidental metathesis
13:43:06 <sbp> can't even get a freaking +P
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13:44:32 <spb> i would if i could
13:44:55 <sbp> hmm. we're +sc at the moment
13:44:56 <clsn> csln isn't as confusing to my eye as you two/one/whatever. I think it's the single ascender.
13:45:06 <sbp> +cntu would be kinda funny
13:45:23 <_bjoern> penetrations per picosecond
13:45:39 <sbp> wait
13:45:44 <sbp> why are the modes showing as +sc?
13:45:54 <_bjoern> .c picoseconds in a minute
13:45:54 <phenny> 1 minute = 6.0e13 picoseconds
13:46:03 <sbp> do they just come up in random order, or is it client based, or something to do with the order in which you set them, or what?
13:46:06 <_bjoern> It's been like that since you last changed the mode?
13:46:08 <sbp> I must experiment
13:46:13 <spb> i realised a few weeks back that when ircd-seven displayed operator privilege, it started out ZHFCKU
13:46:32 <spb> i was tempted to move that letter left a bit
13:46:34 <sbp> see, now it displays +stc (S.T. Coleridge?)
13:46:46 <spb> [80:freenode/#swhack(+cst)]
13:46:49 <sbp> so it must just be random order, or server determined somehow
13:46:53 <sbp> ah... hmm
13:46:58 <spb> 14:46:51 -!- mode/#swhack [+stc]
13:47:02 <sbp> perhaps I'm getting the raw output and your c... yeah
13:47:04 <sbp> hmm
13:47:19 <sbp> BAD CHANSERV
13:47:34 <sbp> oh, there is no +u
13:47:35 <Monty> "you"
13:47:40 <sbp> well that fucks that plan up then
13:47:40 <Monty> potty mouth!
13:47:44 <spb> no channel mode +u
13:47:57 <sbp> sigh
13:47:59 <spb> there's a user mode +u
13:48:01 <spb> but no +t
13:48:23 <sbp> hmm, u, e, w, i... can't make anything out of that stuffs
13:48:24 <Monty> "you"
13:48:28 <sbp> SHUP FOO
13:48:36 <spb> you can make a lot out of hyperion umodes if you're opered
13:48:39 <clsn> +fack could be amusing.
13:48:50 <clsn> FACK YOU MAN
13:49:09 <sbp> indeedily doodily
13:49:16 <clsn> (not that I can see any of what you're talking about)
13:49:18 <spb> you have AaBbCcDdEeFfGHhIijKklMmNnoPpRrSsTUuVvWwXxYyZz01234569*@ to play with
13:49:25 <sbp> ooh
13:49:41 <spb> yes, hyperion is fucking retarded
13:49:52 <sbp> I'll say. doesn't even have a +7 mode!
13:50:01 <sbp> that shit is bananas
13:50:10 <darobin> +arse?
13:50:30 <spb> nope
13:50:35 <spb> oh, maybe
13:50:43 <darobin> it's in the list you gave
13:50:45 <spb> you can't normally get +ars without +o
13:51:27 <spb> AaBbcDdFfGHhjKklMmNnPpRrSsTUuVvWXxYyZz01234569*@ require +o in normal cases
13:51:31 <darobin> +darobin!
13:51:42 <darobin> well, you have +o
13:51:43 <spb> unfortunately it usually orders modes alphabetically
13:51:50 <darobin> sucks
13:52:00 <darobin> I'm seeing the current as +sc
13:52:13 <sbp> well, you could still make +fudge if it's alphabetical
13:52:19 <sbp> wait, no you can't
13:52:27 <sbp> +elephant
13:52:30 <sbp> no, shit. hmm
13:52:31 <clsn> Making fudge is an important, nay critical, worksplace skill. Yep.
13:52:32 <darobin> maybe it's your client that's reordering?
13:53:15 <sbp> I wonder if anybody's ever made a kind of graduated fudge/toffee?
13:53:23 <sbp> so it's toffee at one end and fudge at the other
13:53:35 <clsn> grep ^a*b*c*d*e*...z*$ words...
13:53:40 <spb> would be pretty tricky t manage
13:53:41 <spb> to
13:53:42 <sbp> that would take supreme confectioners' skill to engineer
13:53:48 <sbp> indeed
13:54:14 <clsn> And imagine the horror of having to eat all the near-failures.
13:54:25 <clsn> erm, near-successes.
13:54:42 <spb> the only thing i can imagine would be if you boiled up the sugar in a long thin tin, heated at one end
13:54:56 <spb> then you'd have to let it cool and set in the same vessel
13:55:05 <lisppaste2> _bjoern annotated #62893 with "after 33" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62893#1
13:55:21 <clsn> .title http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080624/lf_nm_life/languages_personalities_dc
13:55:22 <phenny> clsn: Switching languages can also switch personality: study - Yahoo! News
13:55:55 <spb> that might work, actually, but you'd have to be supremely masterful to get every bit of it to heat at the right speed
13:56:30 <clsn> This is #swhack. Most of us *are* supremely masterful.
13:56:33 <spb> anyone want to try it?
13:57:01 <clsn> Nah, too much effort. Also supremely lazy.
13:57:13 <sbp> darobin: some selections: dewy, dippy, dotty, envy, floppy, floss, ghost, glossy, hippy, hoops, knotty, loops, loopy, lorry, lossy, mossy
13:57:20 <spb> getting the confectionary out of the vessel once it's set is, of course, left as an exercise to the reader
13:57:38 <darobin> can you have multiple letters?
13:57:40 <spb> +ghost is doable
13:57:51 <sbp> oh wait, I mean clsn:
13:57:57 <spb> darobin: depends whether they're ordered in C collation or english collation
13:58:03 <darobin> if not you wanted grep ^a?b?c?d?e?...z?$
13:58:08 <spb> you might get diPpy
13:58:28 <spb> but that might equally well show as Pdipy
13:58:31 <sbp> doing singles now
13:58:42 <sbp> "sux"
13:58:56 <sbp> knot, know...
13:59:04 <sbp> imps
13:59:11 <darobin> imps is good
13:59:23 <sbp> glory, glow
13:59:31 <sbp> gimps
13:59:31 <Monty> tho :x
13:59:37 <sbp> not tho, Monty
13:59:41 <Monty> I reckon volume-control + parallelogram = Dennis Skinner!
13:59:48 <sbp> flop, flux, forty
13:59:53 <sbp> first
14:00:02 <sbp> empty, envy
14:00:17 <lisppaste2> _bjoern annotated #62893 with "after 34" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62893#2
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14:00:45 <sbp> chimps, cosy, crux
14:01:11 <_bjoern> Next I'm free to pick a-z
14:01:15 <sbp> below, biopsy, blowy
14:01:25 <_bjoern> !"[a-z] which would fit best?
14:01:41 <sbp> abort, almost
14:01:53 <sbp> that's about it
14:02:02 <spb> no lowercase t, no uppercase O
14:02:24 <sbp> gimps is probably the best, in that case
14:02:34 <spb> i quite like chimps
14:04:16 <_bjoern> .c 0x2FFF in decimal
14:04:16 <phenny> 0x2FFF = 12 287
14:06:37 <sbp> .ety shenanigans
14:06:37 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "shenanigans". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=shenanigans
14:06:40 <sbp> .ety shenanigan
14:06:40 <phenny> "1855, of uncertain origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=shenanigan
14:06:48 <sbp> .ety smithereens
14:06:48 <phenny> "'fragments,' 1829, from Ir. smidirin, dim. of smiodar 'fragment,' perhaps with dim. ending as in Colleen." - http://etymonline.com/?term=smithereens
14:07:43 <lisppaste2> _bjoern annotated #62893 with "after 'a'" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62893#3
14:08:15 <_bjoern> !"a`
14:08:35 <_bjoern> !"a#
14:08:41 <sbp> make your mind up
14:08:42 <_bjoern> !"a$
14:08:51 <sbp> did these all come level?
14:08:55 <_bjoern> !"a^
14:09:01 <_bjoern> those are the tops now...
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14:10:38 <_bjoern> .gs Wir haben Grund *
14:10:40 <phenny> Wir haben Grund *: genug (10), zum feiern (7), stolz (5), dankbar (5), anzunehmen (4), zu (3), zu saufen (2), ihm (2), dir (2), dazu (2), anzuneh (2)
14:10:51 <_bjoern> .gs Wir haben Grund zu *
14:10:52 <phenny> Wir haben Grund zu *: feiern (45), danken (8), tv-event (3), saufen (3), klagen (3), optimismus (2)
14:10:53 <_bjoern> .gs Wir haben Grund zum *
14:10:55 <phenny> Wir haben Grund zum *: feiern (104), reihern (4), reiern (2), mp3 (2), kau (2), feiern - myvideo (2), feie (2), fei (2), dank (2), 0932 (2)
14:11:52 <_bjoern> phunny that you'd say <span xml:lang=de>tv</span>-<span xml:lang=en>event</span>.
14:12:26 <jsled> Ah, we're getting closer to the Earth app from Snow Crash … http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/06/27/life-with-playstation-on-video/
14:12:34 <jsled> Though I guess Google Earth is already doing this.
14:13:32 <lisppaste2> _bjoern annotated #62893 with "after 96" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62893#4
14:13:58 <_bjoern> I should add a HAVING clause
14:16:19 <clsn> .ety cunnilingus
14:16:20 <phenny> "1887, from Mod.L. cunnus 'vulva' (see cunt) + lingere 'to lick' (see lick (v.))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=cunnilingus
14:16:29 <clsn> .ety cunt
14:16:29 <phenny> "'female intercrural foramen,' or, as some 18c. writers refer to it, 'the monosyllable,' M.E. cunte 'female genitalia,' akin to O.N. kunta, from P.Gmc. *kunton, of uncertain origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=cunt
14:16:41 <sbp> .gcs cunnilingus cuntlick
14:16:42 <Monty> potty mouth!
14:16:43 <phenny> cunnilingus (8,510,000), cuntlick (50,700)
14:16:49 <clsn> "uncertain origin" harumph.
14:17:12 <clsn> "female intercrural foramen"??? Wow, that's pretty circumloquacious.
14:17:21 <sbp> yeah, radcakes
14:18:41 <clsn> .gc cuntlines
14:18:41 <phenny> cuntlines: 374
14:19:21 <_bjoern> .c 5^7
14:19:22 <phenny> 5^7 = 78 125
14:20:18 <sbp> clsn: how about “glosso-pterygial affriction”?
14:20:46 <clsn> .gd pterygial
14:20:46 <phenny> pterygial: No definition found!
14:20:52 <clsn> pterygial??
14:20:54 <clsn> Wings?
14:21:09 <sbp> (pterygium: “2 [...] (c) a labium minus of the vulva. Obs. rare.”)
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14:21:21 <clsn> Oh...
14:21:35 <sbp> (minus - presumably meaning one of the labia minora?)
14:21:46 <sbp> (minus sing. of minora?)
14:21:59 <sbp> (would've thought it was simply minor)
14:21:59 <clsn> Been reading a series of books whose author uses so many $20 words one wonders if he isn't trying to make fun of himself.
14:22:03 <sbp> (or minorum)
14:22:16 <sbp> $20 words?
14:22:17 <clsn> I am less impressed by them now than I was in high school. I'm nearly positive he isn't using all of them right.
14:22:47 <clsn> sbp: you know me, and my vocabulary. When *I* run across words, in great number, that even *I* don't know, that's some pretty heavy vocab.
14:23:25 <sbp> why $20? why not $15 or $30?
14:23:34 <clsn> Just picked a number.
14:23:41 <clsn> With inflation it's probably more like $214.
14:23:41 <sbp> I demand meaning
14:23:44 <sbp> hehe
14:23:47 <clsn> I demand pie!
14:23:51 <sbp> nu
14:24:00 <sbp> 3
14:24:01 <sbp> .
14:24:01 <sbp> 1
14:24:02 <sbp> 4
14:24:03 <sbp> 1
14:24:04 <sbp> 5
14:24:04 <sbp> 9
14:24:05 <sbp> 2
14:24:07 <sbp> 6
14:24:09 <sbp> 5
14:24:11 <sbp> 3
14:24:13 <sbp> 5
14:24:13 <spb> combo breaker
14:24:15 <sbp> 8
14:24:17 <sbp> 9
14:24:19 <sbp> 7
14:24:21 <sbp> 9
14:24:23 <sbp> 3
14:24:25 <sbp> 2
14:24:27 <sbp> 3
14:24:33 <sbp> 8
14:24:35 <sbp> 4
14:24:37 <sbp> 6
14:24:38 <clsn> combo breaker?
14:24:39 <sbp> 2
14:24:41 <sbp> that's as much as am knowink right now
14:24:52 <spb> one more digit than i can do off the top of my head
14:24:58 <sbp> I know someone who can recite it to 22,514 digits though
14:25:07 <clsn> I can go a few more digits than that. (than you, not than 22514)
14:25:13 <spb> i know someone who has never seen sunlight
14:25:24 <clsn> sheez... 22000 digits... I bet he can't really do that many, but nobody wants to listen to him prove it.
14:25:36 <sbp> heh, heh
14:26:46 <_bjoern> Pi equals 3.
14:26:51 <clsn> Lemme find a really egregious example someplace...
14:27:36 <sbp> pi being regarded as 2 would impress me
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14:30:43 <sbp> hmm
14:30:57 <sbp> computers would be 5% more powerful if they used ternary
14:31:48 <_bjoern> Did you calculate that on a ternary computer?
14:32:28 <clsn> "Bells clanged in her head—chimes ringing in cotillion on all sides. Bubbles of glauconite and carbuncle burst in her blood; the air burned like a thurible; the world reeled." OK, a little much there.
14:32:58 <clsn> The only one that really needed looking up was "thurible"; I could guess at glauconite. Still, the combination is heavy.
14:33:15 <clsn> Ternary is the most "efficient" integer base.
14:33:59 <clsn> Yesterday I checked definitions for "eidolons", "cataphract", "leal", "louring", "clinquant"...
14:34:07 <Arnia> Efficient by what standard?
14:34:08 <phenny> Arnia: 09:26Z <danja> tell Arnia got your message, will check around
14:34:44 <clsn> There's a clearer and more concise way to say it, but I don't remember what it is. But here's an example:
14:35:33 <clsn> If you're numbering houses, say, and you have three digit places, you need to buy ten digit symbols for each place, which is 30 digits, and with that you can number from 0-999, right?
14:36:04 <clsn> With the number of digit symbols you need to buy being the cost, ternary is most efficient per number of digit places.
14:36:23 <clsn> base-e is most efficient of all by that standard; the math isn't hard to do.
14:36:29 <clsn> But 3 is closer to e than 2 is.
14:38:29 <sbp> ooh
14:38:32 <sbp> I get the topic now
14:38:41 <lisppaste2> _bjoern annotated #62893 with "after 124" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62893#5
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14:39:03 <sbp> Arnia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radix_economy
14:39:41 <clsn> I remembered there were some WP pages about it.
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14:40:47 <clsn> I think there are better articles; try "Ternary"
14:41:19 <darobin> just how noticeable would be a 5% increase in computer power though?
14:42:04 <clsn> 5% noticeable.
14:42:13 <_bjoern> We'd see 5% lazier programmers.
14:43:13 <clsn> Can we get any lazier?
14:43:19 <darobin> yeah I'm with _bjoern
14:43:23 <clsn> Actually laziness can be a good thing in a programmer.
14:43:36 <clsn> Programmer laziness is the origin of code reuse and stuff like that.
14:43:52 <darobin> the 5% of tasks that are currently slow enough that they need be optimised but wouldn't with more power would stop being optimised
14:44:13 <lisppaste2> _bjoern annotated #62893 with "after 35" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62893#6
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14:44:34 <clsn> http://trinary.cc/ : 3-valued logic gates and circuit design.
14:53:01 <kpreid> ahaha
14:53:16 <kpreid> one of the references in the wikipedia article Radix economy is a link to...everything2
14:53:21 <clsn> Yep.
14:53:23 <sbp> yeah, heh
14:53:28 <clsn> Everything2 had some interesting stuff.
14:53:33 <sbp> had?
14:53:58 <kpreid> not that I'm saying e2 is *bad*, but just that it's another random-people-write-the-articles site
14:54:03 <jsled> .u prime
14:54:03 <Monty> "you"
14:54:07 <clsn> well, has.
14:54:08 <phenny> U+2032 PRIME (′)
14:54:23 <sbp> kpreid: what's its license?
14:54:46 <kpreid> I don't know.
14:55:09 <clsn> I copied an e2 article to WP, but I'm allowed, since I'm the author of the e2 article.
14:59:46 <nslater> sbp: I think you will like this: http://www.slash7.com/articles/2008/6/12/informational-hygiene
15:05:59 <darobin> .etym hygiene
15:06:00 <phenny> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'encode' (file "/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/etymology.py", line 80, in f_etymology)
15:06:07 <darobin> .ety hygiene
15:06:08 <phenny> "1671, from Fr. hygiène, ult. from Gk. hygieine techne 'the healthful art,' from hygies 'healthy,' lit. 'living well' (personified as the goddess Hygieia), from PIE *eyu-gwie-es- 'having a vigorous life.' The Gk. adj. was used by Aristotle as a noun meaning 'health.' [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=hygiene
15:06:09 <darobin> >
15:06:19 <darobin> .ety hyena
15:06:19 <phenny> "1340, from O.Fr. hiene, from L. hyaena, from Gk. hyaina 'swine' (fem.), from hys 'pig.' Applied to cruel, treacherous, and greedy persons since at least 1671." - http://etymonline.com/?term=hyena
15:06:38 <darobin> note to all: hygiene comes from French
15:07:16 <selggig> interesting
15:08:43 <darobin> "My "tagging" behavior has the side effect of leaving the best of the books I read looking like technicolor porcupines from Flatland."
15:08:50 <darobin> I'm like that too
15:09:09 * _bjoern doesn't do books or tagging.
15:10:24 <darobin> I only do tagging in books
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15:13:34 <sbp> nslater: yes, thanks
15:15:30 * darobin prods JibberJim
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15:18:05 <sbp> [[[
15:18:05 <sbp> This is something that we computer folks need to remember: it's necessary to LEAVE THE COMPUTER - shutting it off...completely, and going outside. Not to the coffee house, not to the bookstore, but out to where there's trees and water and stuff.
15:18:05 <sbp> Then you go home and upload all the pictures you took to Flickr. :D
15:18:06 <sbp> ]]]
15:18:51 <sbp> my theory is that the web makes the smart people smarter and the dumb people more annoying
15:19:04 <sbp> and since all people are dumb...
15:20:08 * darobin is going to see the trees and water and flowers
15:21:35 <sbp> don't forget to take photos
15:23:24 <nelix> sbp: wanna see some happy snaps?
15:23:42 <nelix> most of the pictures are of urban exploration
15:23:49 <nelix> rather than wild life
15:24:01 <nelix> i suck at photography too
15:24:20 <xover> .c 890 NOK in USD
15:24:21 <phenny> 890 Norwegian kroner = 179.22197 U.S. dollars
15:24:42 <xover> .c 1099 NOK per month in USD per year
15:24:43 <phenny> 1 099 (Norwegian kroner per month) = 2 655.70712 U.S. dollars per year
15:25:08 <xover> Yeah, not exctly cheap this .no iPhone 3G.
15:25:30 <xover> Particularly if you add in…
15:25:35 <xover> .c 3500 NOK in USD
15:25:36 <phenny> 3 500 Norwegian kroner = 704.8055 U.S. dollars
15:25:36 <Monty> "you"
15:26:00 <xover> In termination fees since I'm, for various reasons, required to use a different carrier than has the exclusive deal.
15:26:05 <nelix> http://nelix.id.au/pictures/TWL/ghosts.html
15:26:14 <nelix> there is water there, and steel trees
15:26:40 <nelix> http://nelix.id.au/pictures/MFB/bricks.html
15:26:43 <nelix> a mountain...
15:26:57 <nelix> http://nelix.id.au/pictures/MFB/rooftop/gonzo.html
15:26:59 <nelix> the sky
15:27:09 <nelix> http://nelix.id.au/pictures/MFB/whodat--thumb.jpg
15:27:12 <sbp> wow, you weren't kidding
15:27:15 <nelix> my home boy
15:27:51 <nelix> http://nelix.id.au/pictures/MFB/whodat.html **
15:28:16 <nelix> http://nelix.id.au/pictures/deathstar/space.html underground place thingy..
15:30:32 <nelix> http://nelix.id.au/pictures/dumdumdumdah/batshit.html (real bat shit, wild life and stuff!)
15:30:48 <nelix> http://nelix.id.au/pictures/dumdumdumdah/justundermanhole.html a pidgeon!
15:31:00 <nelix> sbp: does this count as leaving the computer?
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15:42:47 <_bjoern> .c 0x7f in decimal
15:42:48 <phenny> 0x7f = 127
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16:03:07 <tobbez> nelix: is there any good methods to find places to do UE at? (other than walking around and looking)
16:05:52 <Arnia> .c 35GBP per month in USD per year
16:05:54 <phenny> 35 (British pounds per month) = 827.14800 U.S. dollars per year
16:06:08 <Arnia> .c 45GBP per month in USD per year
16:06:20 <phenny> 45 (British pounds per month) = 1 063.476 U.S. dollars per year
16:06:32 <Arnia> .c 60 * 12
16:06:35 * Arnia is lazy
16:06:43 <phenny> 60 * 12 = 720
16:07:09 <Arnia> Interesting... still expensive, but not as expensive as I thought
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16:15:13 <nelix> tobbez: good earth
16:15:18 <nelix> tobbez: google*
16:15:23 <nelix> tobbez: word of mouth
16:15:27 <nelix> tobbez: riding the train
16:15:41 <nelix> tobbez: depends on what type of UE you seek really
16:16:01 <tobbez> nelix: not really sure, i'm quite new to it
16:16:26 <nelix> whatis your location?
16:16:45 <nelix> most locations have groups
16:16:48 <Morbus> loggy: pointer
16:16:48 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-06-27#T16-16-48
16:16:48 <tobbez> Gothenburg, sweden
16:16:51 <nelix> in australia we have the gave clan
16:17:21 <nelix> although i don't do anything with them they were an isperation, and most everywhere i go, they have alredy been
16:17:50 <nelix> when i was 8 (currently 23) i saw there stickers around storm water drains
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16:19:02 <nelix> tobbez: in sweeden are your surage and storm water in seperate systems?
16:19:34 <nelix> tobbez: because you cannot go inside these systems
16:20:05 <tobbez> nelix: not quite sure, but i think they're separate.
16:20:21 <nelix> tobbez: abandon buildings are always around and always fun, just don't take anything, break anything, cary any tools considered weapons or break and enter implements
16:20:23 <tobbez> quite sure it's not possible to go into them anyway.
16:20:23 <Morbus> pointer?
16:20:39 <jsled> loggy, pointer?
16:20:39 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-06-27#T16-20-39
16:20:44 <tobbez> nelix: already thought of that :)
16:20:46 <jsled> loggy: you're too fucking picky.
16:20:50 <nelix> tobbez: in .ca for instance, tresspassing is a $65 fine
16:21:33 <nelix> tobbez: but if you have break and enter tools, you would be looking at charges
16:22:07 <nelix> i am yet to ever need any tools, besides a crowbar to open some manholes, which i do not carry after opening
16:22:12 <Morbus> loggy: help
16:22:12 <loggy> I'm a Python IRC logging bot. Source: http://inamidst.com/code/loggy.py Logging to: http://swhack.com/logs/
16:23:00 <MacTed> here
16:23:08 <nelix> tobbez: bridges, this is one you might not have though of, most bridges have rooms inside them
16:23:08 <MacTed> er, no.
16:23:16 <nelix> tobbez: large bridges have many many rooms
16:23:39 <nelix> tobbez: accessable from doors on the sides or manholes from above
16:23:45 <_bjoern> anyone want to explain this:
16:23:47 <_bjoern> sqlite> select "x" || "y" || "z";
16:23:47 <_bjoern> xyz
16:23:50 <_bjoern> ?
16:23:51 <tobbez> nelix: don't think there's that many bridges here.
16:24:00 <tobbez> nelix: anyway, thanks :)
16:24:07 <_bjoern> I didn't think of || as string concat operator...
16:24:17 * jsled neither.
16:24:24 <jsled> Neither does mysql, apparently.
16:24:44 <jsled> [[[
16:24:45 <Monty> we'll let you actually sounds suspicious
16:24:45 <jsled> mysql> select 'x' || 'y' || 'z';
16:24:45 <jsled> +-------------------+
16:24:45 <jsled> | 'x' || 'y' || 'z' |
16:24:45 <jsled> +-------------------+
16:24:46 <jsled> | 0 |
16:24:48 <jsled> +-------------------+
16:24:50 <jsled> 1 row in set, 3 warnings (0.00 sec)
16:24:52 <jsled> ]]]
16:25:08 <jsled> Monty's bare arse, waving about for all to see.
16:25:08 <Monty> lisa de
16:25:32 <nelix> looking at google maps
16:25:36 <nelix> i see heaps of bridges
16:26:11 <_bjoern> so where is the sql spec?
16:26:20 <nelix> lol sql spec
16:26:35 <tobbez> nelix: i'm not from here, just here during the summer
16:27:05 <jsled> _bjoern: I can ask a mysql'er what they were using for writing a SQL parser … but what are you trying to do? Are those really logical values?
16:27:10 <_bjoern> "<concatenation operator> ::= ||" -- sql92 (Proposed revised text of DIS 9075)
16:27:49 <nelix> tobbez: university steam tunnels are good, if you are friendly, you can just ask to check them out,
16:30:21 <procto> .title http://imaginarypotential.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/the-worst-quark/
16:30:23 <phenny> procto: The Worst Quark? « Imaginary Potential
16:30:23 <procto> quite hilarious
16:30:33 <_bjoern> db2 supports || this way aswell
16:32:10 <sbp> procto: ahaha
16:47:28 <chandler> and now for something completely different
16:47:29 <chandler> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vdYSZ4YGnU
16:47:31 <phenny> chandler: YouTube - Snoring Duck
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16:56:58 <Morbus> sbp: i totally ripped off loggy
16:57:02 <Morbus> http://www.disobey.com/bot/log/drupal-dojo/2008-06-27#T797542
16:58:14 <sbp> hehe
16:58:15 <phenny> sbp: 16:53Z <MoiraA> tell sbp that when he can spare a moment I'd appreciate a private word
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17:08:39 <Monty> howdy, nsh
17:09:29 <nslater> howdy, n5h
17:09:30 <n5h> i'm sure you used to boost to the supermarket because you never broke their secret code. yeah...
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17:41:27 * Arnia grumbles to himself
17:45:45 <sbp> yo Arnia
17:45:50 <sbp> what be ye happes?
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17:48:19 <Arnia> clutching at straws with regards everything
17:49:44 <jsled> [[[
17:49:45 <jsled> The 5-year-old sitting near me pretty much summed it up ("I think director Andrew Stanton is indulging himself in Godardian semiotics.")
17:49:49 <jsled> ]]] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/26/AR2008062604139.html?hpid=topnews
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17:50:36 <sbp> Agnès Godard?
17:50:41 <Arnia> Can I meet this five year old?
17:51:52 <jsled> heh.
17:52:12 <sbp> .ety tostle
17:52:13 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "tostle". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=tostle
17:52:17 <sbp> .wik tostle
17:52:18 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "tostle".
17:52:22 <sbp> .gc tostle
17:52:23 <phenny> tostle: 5,440
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17:59:09 <sbp> hmm: http://www.clarenceashley.com/images/gallery/images/london.jpg
17:59:23 <sbp> Clarence Ashley outside Buckingham Palace!
18:01:15 <nsh> .ety respite
18:01:16 <phenny> "c.1290, from O.Fr. respit 'delay, respect,' from L. respectus 'consideration, recourse, regard' (see respect)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=respite
18:01:25 <nsh> .ety respice
18:01:26 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "respice". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=respice
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18:10:48 <_bjoern> So I wrote an SQL script to find my string with a simple algorithm.
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18:11:17 <_bjoern> launched it half an hour ago, it's currently preparing to find character number two...
18:14:19 <_bjoern> oh it's even found it now
18:14:36 <_bjoern> from now on it should be faster...
18:14:56 <_bjoern> the first round eliminates about a third of the rows I think.
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18:17:36 <lisppaste2> _bjoern annotated #62893 with "SQL Script for the rounds" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62893#7
18:18:28 <lisppaste2> _bjoern annotated #62893 with "init script" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62893#8
18:22:47 <_bjoern> it seems it will include Udecimal+33, Udecimal+34, Udecimal+35 which is kinda funny
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18:34:38 <nsh> .ety flaxen
18:34:39 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "flaxen". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=flaxen
18:34:43 <nsh> .ety flax
18:34:43 <phenny> "O.E. fleax 'cloth made with flax, linen,' from P.Gmc. *flakhsan (cf. O.Fris. flax, Ger. Flachs), probably from P.Gmc. base *fleh-, corresponding to PIE *plek- 'to weave, plait' see ply (v.))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=flax
18:34:51 <nsh> .gs flaxen *
18:34:53 <phenny> flaxen *: hair (18), waxen (16), mane (14), beats (13), locks (10), haired (8), - (5), yarn (4), american (4), thread (3), shibori (3), road (3), from (3)
18:35:19 <_bjoern> Next time I'll be clever and use numbers instead of strings for the encodings.
18:35:33 <_bjoern> In fact I started out being clever having the code page codes
18:35:40 <_bjoern> but then that sucked for debugging
18:36:00 <_bjoern> and having two tables, one mapping the codes to names was too complicated...
18:36:58 <_bjoern> So far I've given up on IBM420, x-IA5-Swedish (that is, I've selected code points not in them even though I could not yet tell them apart from all the other encodings)
18:37:49 <_bjoern> I am not really sure what these ia5 encodings are, very little info on the web; I vaguely recall they have much less than 255 code positions
18:37:56 <_bjoern> .wik IBM420
18:37:57 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "IBM420".
18:38:00 <_bjoern> .g IBM420
18:38:00 <phenny> _bjoern: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/db2luw/v9/topic/com.ibm.db2.udb.apdv.embed.doc/doc/r0022549.htm
18:39:07 <_bjoern> aka ebcdic-cp-ar1 apparently
18:39:57 <_bjoern> .u `
18:39:57 <phenny> U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT (`)
18:41:22 <_bjoern> In the next run I should probably record which other encodings it clashes with
18:42:30 <_bjoern> So far the string is: !"a`#
18:45:15 <_bjoern> given up on IBM423, x-IA5-Norwegian
18:45:46 <nsh> wth u doin bjoe?
18:45:47 <Monty> "you"
18:46:07 <_bjoern> watching my sql find a magic string
18:46:18 <sbp> Monty totally either doesn't understand irony, or understands it too well
18:46:20 <Monty> bus stops stocks university ;)
18:48:36 <_bjoern> I wonder how to map my encoding names to numbers in sql...
18:49:03 <_bjoern> select distinct into a table, then join it with the original, using the _ROWID_ as number?
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18:50:19 <_bjoern> now given up on x-IA5-German, x-IA5-Swedish
18:50:35 <_bjoern> I believe I will simply exclude those ia5 charsets
18:51:05 <_bjoern> "ASCII is a 7-bit code (but encoded in an 8 bit octet) and is the US national implementation (ANSI X3.4-1986) of the IA5 character set defined in ITU-T T.50 ..."
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18:52:44 <_bjoern> "IA5 is almost the same as ASCII - differences are marked with * in the name column for our mutual convenience and because they may not show on your screen. There are only two printable differences - currency (hex 24 - decimal 36) and Equivalence (tilde) (hex 7E - decimal 126). "
18:53:35 <_bjoern> So far the string is: !"a`#|
18:53:50 <_bjoern> kinda like a l33t "M"
18:54:13 <jsled> _bjoern: or have an autoinc id on the encoding table on the distinct insert, then update into a new column.
18:54:34 <jsled> (unless there's a better natural numeric id, of course)
18:55:04 * _bjoern doesn't parse "on the distinct insert"?
18:55:08 <jsled> I guess _rowid_ (or whatever) is the same thing. I don't trust it.
18:55:33 <procto> Fri Feb 13 2009 18:31:30 GMT-0500
18:55:35 <jsled> -> select distinct [encoding] into a table [with an autoinc id]
18:55:40 <procto> this is when the Unix epoch time is:
18:55:42 <procto> 1234567890
18:55:52 <_bjoern> Ah yes but Sqlite3 does not support that,
18:55:58 <jsled> Hmm?
18:56:03 <_bjoern> I can only CREATE TABLE ... AS SELECT ...
18:56:23 <_bjoern> SELECT INTO is not supported.
18:56:33 <jsled> Oh. pity.
18:58:48 <_bjoern> So far the string is: !"a`#|^
18:58:56 <_bjoern> I think we are about to leace the ascii range
18:59:40 <_bjoern> the latest top 12 was
18:59:43 <_bjoern> 94 122 66.0
18:59:43 <_bjoern> 36 122 36.0
18:59:43 <_bjoern> 91 120 84.0
18:59:43 <_bjoern> 93 120 72.0
18:59:43 <_bjoern> 64 120 8.0
18:59:43 <_bjoern> 92 119 26.0
18:59:43 <Monty> ?
18:59:45 <_bjoern> 123 119 8.0
18:59:47 <_bjoern> 125 119 8.0
18:59:49 <_bjoern> 126 118 222.0
18:59:51 <_bjoern> 176 99 4962.0
18:59:53 <_bjoern> 167 98 4702.0
18:59:55 <_bjoern> 247 97 5030.0
18:59:57 <_bjoern> (with ^ at the top)
19:00:27 <_bjoern> given up on IBM420, x-IA5-Swedish
19:07:11 <_bjoern> So far the string is: !"a`#|^$
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19:14:19 <_bjoern> So far the string is: !"a`#|^$@
19:22:18 <_bjoern> So far the string is: !"a`#|^$@[
19:24:12 <jsled> This string is encoded differently in every charset?
19:24:37 <_bjoern> Well in some, it's not long enough yet.
19:24:51 <_bjoern> I'm now going to throw some bogus stuff out and speed the whole thing up a bit...
19:24:58 <_bjoern> that should give better results, I hope.
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19:26:35 * Arnia gives an impromptu category theory tutorial
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19:41:45 <Arnia> Interesting theorem of the day: every group of order pq is cyclic when p and q are different primes with q less than p and p-1 not divisible by q (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_group)
19:44:03 <Arnia> Consequence is that if P(E) is the finite group of invertible paths on a finite labelled graph drawn from an atomic vocabulary of path labels E, then you can replace all the atomic paths with a single one, g, if |E| = pq satisfying the above condition.
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19:44:34 <Arnia> Cue great simplification of reasoning on things like the semantic web
19:44:44 <Arnia> ahem, should write that up as a paper when I get a chance
19:45:31 <Arnia> Actually, might email that to my supervisor as another incentive to push for my postdoc
19:46:03 <sbp> nslater: 1408
19:46:04 <phenny> sbp: 19:37Z <MoiraA> tell sbp he seems to have set noop on me with chanserv since RoboGuy is unable to make me an op in WALTER
19:46:05 <phenny> sbp: 19:38Z <MoiraA> tell sbp that this was when he got the message back "chanlev sets mode -o MoiraA
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20:08:47 <jsled> Oh, how to do translation via phenny, again?
20:08:49 <jsled> phenny: help?
20:08:49 <phenny> jsled: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see http://inamidst.com/phenny/ for more general details. My owner is sbp.
20:08:55 <procto> jsled: like so:
20:09:02 <procto> phenny: "ich bin ein berliner"?
20:09:03 <phenny> procto: "I am a Berliner" (de to en, translate.google.com)
20:09:09 <procto> phenny: fr "ich bin ein berliner"?
20:09:09 <phenny> procto: "Ich bin ein Berliner" (fr to en, translate.google.com)
20:09:14 <jsled> phenny: "ein offenes betriebssystem hat nicht nur vorteile"?
20:09:14 <phenny> jsled: "an open operating system has not only benefits" (de to en, translate.google.com)
20:09:22 <procto> phenny: de fr "ich bin ein berliner"?
20:09:22 <phenny> procto: "je suis un berlinois" (de to fr, translate.google.com)
20:09:33 <jsled> (c.f. http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~hal/misc/msad.jpg )
20:19:16 <deltab> “An open operating system can already mutate. For Windows 2000, however, there are all services and services from a single source. This saves time and money really. More information: [url]”
20:20:27 <deltab> Buy Windows 2000 or we modify your penguins
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20:29:17 <_bjoern> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/26/avg_disguises_fake_traffic_as_ie6/
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20:42:08 <_bjoern> New string starts with: $|!
20:44:28 <_bjoern> New string starts with: $|![@
20:51:10 <_bjoern> New string starts with: $|![@^~°
20:52:28 <tobbez> .g * "extreme caution"
20:52:29 <phenny> tobbez: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23619067-27702,00.html
20:53:53 <_bjoern> .u ¸
20:53:54 <Monty> "you"
20:53:54 <phenny> U+00B8 CEDILLA (¸)
20:54:51 <tobbez> .gc * "extreme caution"
20:54:51 <phenny> * "extreme caution": 1,330,000
20:55:03 <tobbez> hm, how was it?
20:55:07 <_bjoern> .gs * "extreme caution"
20:55:11 <phenny> * "extreme caution: with (4), use (4), exercise (4), rape (2)
20:55:22 <tobbez> thanks
20:55:34 <MacTed> .title
20:55:36 <phenny> MacTed: Exercise extreme caution | The Australian
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21:11:00 <nsh-> .gs do i not destroy my enemies if i *
21:11:01 <phenny> do i not destroy my enemies if i *: make (3)
21:11:07 <nsh-> .gs do i not destroy my enemies if i make them my *
21:11:08 <phenny> do i not destroy my enemies if i make them my *: friends (2)
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21:20:35 <_bjoern> [[[
21:20:37 <_bjoern> $|![@^~°÷§ ·¨«×鬻£\-©¢®\rquote ¤Ó─ÆÔ…ˇπÝ№恝€„˙―ıŠŞŻ΅،닖｡
21:20:42 <_bjoern> ]]]
21:20:44 <_bjoern> FU
21:20:44 <Monty> 13:13 UTC
21:21:06 <_bjoern> well if you ignore the \rquote, that's what I got
21:22:18 <_bjoern> 0024 007C 0021 005B 0040 005E 007E 00B0 00F7 00A7 00A0 00B7 00A8 00AB
21:22:19 <_bjoern> 00D7 00E9 00AC 00BB 00A3 00AD 00A9 00A2 00AE 2019 00A4 00D3 2500 00C6
21:22:19 <_bjoern> 00D4 2026 02C7 03C0 00DD 2116 605D 20AC 201E 02D9 2015 0131 0160 F8F5
21:22:19 <_bjoern> 015E 017B 0385 060C B2D6 F7C8 F88D F8A0 FF61
21:22:55 <_bjoern> That apparently isn't perfect, but there is nothing left to eliminate
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23:07:04 <_bjoern> hmm http://abstrusegoose.com/
23:18:29 <_bjoern> [[[
23:18:30 <_bjoern> 00B0 007C 00A7 00A0 00F7 2019 00A4 005B 02C7 20AC 2500 00A2 03C0 00A8
23:18:30 <_bjoern> 00A9 201E F8F5 0160 605D 005E 00D3 015E 0131 00B7 00AD 00C6 0385 060C
23:18:30 <_bjoern> 007E 00AB 00AC 00D7 00D4 2026 00DD 2116 02D9 017B B2D6 F7C8 F88D F8A0
23:18:32 <_bjoern> FF61
23:18:32 <_bjoern> ]]]
23:19:10 <_bjoern> alternate solution if you don't care about unsupported code points.
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