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00:39:45 <zachb> .swhack plum source
00:39:45 <phenny> zachb: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
00:40:11 <zachb> ... help?
00:43:49 <zachb> nslater: ping?
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01:25:00 <nslater> zachb: hmm?
01:29:44 <zachb> in the plum speak module, what's stop.txt?
01:38:25 * jsled guesses stopwords?
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01:41:27 <jsled> [[[
01:41:28 <jsled> Even if more gentoo users hate gentoo, the fact that there are fewer of them total means gentoo has done less damage on the world at large. So Ubuntu it is! Congrats guys. It's really impressive. You should come out of your basements to tell your parents.
01:41:35 <jsled> ]]] - http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/07/you-hate-ubuntu.html
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02:02:24 <zachb> :-)
02:06:09 <zachb> http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-to-write-kde-application.html
02:06:15 <zachb> "Take the name of the app, sed /[cg]/k/, check that you didn't end up with three k's in a row. If there are no k's, stick a k on the front."
02:11:09 <Mike_L> can any of you write Spanish?
02:12:14 <Mike_L> I want to write 'Your server foo.bar.com.mx is trying to break into my server' in Spanish
02:17:37 <Mike_L> How about 'foo.bar.com.mx intenta romper en mi servidor'?
02:19:47 * Mike_L goes with that
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08:43:43 <sbp> yo
08:44:32 <nsh> yo and blemishes
08:45:32 <sbp> should we have a cloud standards discussion?
08:47:50 <nsh> for to entertain of the extraterrasians?
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08:54:12 <sbp> yes
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09:13:42 <sbp> phenny: ask Morbus if he's ever doing any more nowpublic entries
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10:15:26 <sbp> phenny: ask Morbus if he's ever doing any more nowpublic entries
10:15:40 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Morbus is around.
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10:37:40 <nsh> what
10:37:42 <nsh> isa
10:37:44 <nsh> nowpublic?
10:37:55 <sbp> one of the news sites that Morb writes for
10:37:57 <bjoern_> .g +nowpublic
10:37:58 <phenny> bjoern_: http://www.nowpublic.com/
10:38:06 <sbp> yeah
11:01:27 <bjoern_> http://forum.lolcode.com/viewtopic.php?id=51
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11:09:30 <sbp> lols
11:12:57 <bjoern_> http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/07/court-ruling-will-expose-viewing-habits-youtube-us
11:13:37 <bjoern_> hmm http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/
11:17:15 <bjoern_> "We're confident that you'll have more and better ideas than we ever will."
11:19:00 <Arnia> Someone has noticed that the stream idea is basically FRP. Good.
11:20:35 <sbp> POWER OF INFORMATION (taskforce)
11:21:37 <sbp> ?! http://www.londongazette.co.uk/mashup/gazettesdata.htm
11:21:47 <sbp> the London Gazette in RDF?
11:21:48 <Arnia> Strange comment — "Frankly I think it's already on the Linux desktop. Workspaces + compiz plugins like scale accomplish stream management."
11:22:51 <Arnia> ooh... the Government is doing something half-way sensible?
11:23:10 <Arnia> Has the civil service finally reasserted its authority over them?
11:23:49 <sbp> it's in a big zip file which is a bit weird
11:24:22 <bjoern_> should it be in a small zip file?
11:25:28 <sbp> lots of files by date might be more sensible?
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11:27:27 <bjoern_> is there no rdf magix that makes that redundant?
11:27:38 <sbp> oh, that's funny. the zip file is a file of lots of small files by date
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11:28:25 <sbp> here's the top of the file:
11:28:26 <sbp> [[[
11:28:26 <sbp> <Gazette Title="London" SchemaVersion="1.0" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.tso.co.uk/assets/namespace/gazette c:\GazettesSubmission\ValidationFiles\Schema\schemaGazette-v1-0.xsd" xmlns:ukm="http://www.tso.co.uk/assets/namespace/metadata"
11:28:27 <sbp> ]]]
11:29:06 <bjoern_> ... URI="C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\GAZ5A65.tmp">iVBORw0KGgoAAA...
11:29:50 <bjoern_> I don't get their P elements
11:30:10 <sbp> me neither
11:30:14 <bjoern_> it's a weird mix of those, xsl fo, and xhtml
11:31:51 <sbp> is there any <P> element which doesn't contain a single <Text> element?
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11:33:28 <sbp> .head http://www.tso.co.uk/assets/namespace/metadata
11:33:30 <phenny> sbp: 200, text/html, 4056 bytes
11:33:33 <sbp> .title http://www.tso.co.uk/assets/namespace/metadata
11:33:35 <phenny> sbp: The page cannot be found
11:33:43 <sbp> .title http://www.tso.co.uk/
11:33:44 <zachb> sbp: halp
11:33:45 <phenny> sbp: tso.co.uk
11:33:47 <zachb> .swhack lala
11:33:47 <phenny> zachb: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
11:34:00 <bjoern_> its all teh borx
11:34:07 <zachb> aww
11:34:10 <sbp> oh, The Stationery Office
11:34:13 <zachb> plum: do you talk with punctuation?
11:34:27 <zachb> plum, you there?
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11:35:44 <sbp> .g schemaGazette-v1-0.xsd
11:35:45 <phenny> sbp: No results found for 'schemaGazette-v1-0.xsd'.
11:41:45 <sbp> [[[
11:41:46 <sbp> Use of NPTG Data requires a licence - contact Thales.
11:41:51 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.nptg.org.uk/process.htm
11:42:01 <sbp> so much fail plastered all over this at every opportunity
11:42:15 <sbp> oh man. the Thales link points to http://www.nptg.org.uk/thalesSupport.htm
11:42:18 <sbp> .head http://www.nptg.org.uk/thalesSupport.htm
11:42:20 <phenny> sbp: 404, text/html, 1635 bytes
11:42:25 <sbp> brilliance
11:42:39 <Arnia> NPTG?
11:43:01 <sbp> .title http://www.nptg.org.uk/
11:43:03 <phenny> sbp: Home Page for UK National Public Transport Gazetteer, an standard for identifying localities
11:43:19 <sbp> an standard, you understand
11:43:38 <sbp> wonder if they have an standard for English too
11:43:57 <Arnia> How much do I trust data which hasn't been proof read?
11:44:30 <sbp> <ukm:KeyedBy>Someone Who Didn't Pay Much Attention</ukm:KeyedBy>
11:44:50 <bjoern_> .gcs enstandard destandard dequeue enqueue
11:44:52 <phenny> enqueue (671,000), dequeue (425,000), destandard (13,800), enstandard (621)
11:45:53 <Arnia> .gcs imstandand
11:45:54 <phenny> imstandand (0)
11:46:09 <sbp> .gc imstandard
11:46:09 <phenny> imstandard: 135
11:48:46 <Arnia> ahem
11:49:01 * Arnia sighs reading reddit comments
11:49:28 <sbp> I need to develop my philosophy of technobunkum
11:49:28 <bjoern_> It hurts when I do this.
11:49:40 <Arnia> Don't do this then
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12:14:09 <sbp> [[[
12:14:10 <sbp> The term Milky Way first appeared in English literature in a poem by Chaucer.
12:14:10 <sbp> "See yonder, lo, the Galaxyë
12:14:10 <sbp> Which men clepeth the Milky Wey,
12:14:10 <sbp> For hit is whyt."
12:14:10 <sbp> —Geoffrey Chaucer, Geoffrey Chaucer The House of Fame, c. 1380.
12:14:15 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way
12:14:16 * nsh will develop the philosophy of techbunkum
12:14:21 <nsh> AND THEN WAR!
12:14:22 <nslater> wow
12:14:26 <sbp> nsh: cool
12:15:38 <nslater> Arnia: which comments specifically? the only reason I ever read comments (modulo Sam Ruby's blog, which through some bizare witchcraft or other seems to attract the only sensible and interesting comments on the internet) is when I fancy a choxelle
12:16:07 <Arnia> Oh, the comments on Bryce's essay
12:16:29 <sbp> that's the first use of galaxy too
12:16:31 <nsh> essay is where nao?
12:16:38 <nsh> oOo?
12:16:40 <nsh> .ety galaxy
12:16:41 <phenny> "c.1384, from L.L. galaxias 'Milky Way,' from Gk. galaxis (adj.), from gala (gen. galaktos) 'milk' (see lactation)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=galaxy
12:16:41 <Arnia> Or rather, the reddit comments
12:17:04 <nslater> I like this (earth seen from voyager) for some reason: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PaleBlueDot.jpg
12:17:10 <Arnia> Which get rather hung up on the UNIX way being ultimately the One True Way to abstract the metal
12:17:32 <nslater> hmm
12:17:40 <nsh> lolwhut?
12:17:53 <nslater> Arnia: link?
12:17:59 <nsh> abstracting the one true metal from the clutches of mordor?!
12:18:10 <Arnia> http://www.reddit.com/info/6owbv/comments/
12:19:17 <sbp> - Particles vs. waves? Which one better models light?
12:19:21 <sbp> - - Touché
12:19:37 <nslater> talking of which...
12:19:38 <nslater> .title http://intertwingly.net/blog/2008/07/02/authoritative-true
12:19:38 <phenny> nslater: Sam Ruby: authoritative=true
12:20:14 <sbp> authoritative=true?!
12:20:27 * nsh set that one time...
12:20:40 <nslater> ... I also didn't realise that HTML5 was insitutionalising content sniffing
12:20:48 <sbp> hmm, yes, less evil than that
12:20:49 <nsh> but what has been authoritativised cannot be unauthoritativised!
12:20:51 <nslater> another reason I will be sticking with HTML 2
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12:20:57 <sbp> HTML 2 for wins!
12:21:40 <sbp> what bugs me is they keep adding stuff
12:21:51 <sbp> they should be huffmanising the arse out of it
12:21:56 <nslater> to the internets? yes, that bugs me too
12:22:06 <sbp> NO
12:22:07 <nslater> ... I liked it back in '99 best
12:22:11 <sbp> to HTML
12:22:32 <nslater> was it Knuth who got really pissy with xover about HTML validation?
12:22:37 <nslater> or was that a dream?
12:22:46 <sbp> with www-validator, yup!
12:22:51 <sbp> <3 that email
12:22:51 <nslater> oh, ha :p
12:23:02 <Arnia> Knuth sent an email?!
12:23:03 <Arnia> Wow
12:23:05 <sbp> possibly my favourite flame of all time
12:23:16 <nslater> yeah, and one I totally agree with fwiw XD
12:23:33 <sbp> .title http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2005Sep/0052
12:23:35 <phenny> sbp: note from Prof Knuth from Maggie McLoughlin on 2005-09-17 (www-validator@w3.org from September 2005)
12:23:49 <nslater> except that I can't help but feel that Knuth was only using HTML 3 to be trendy, we all know that REAL computer programmers use HTML 2
12:24:36 <nslater> oh wait...
12:24:38 <sbp> HTML 3?
12:24:57 <sbp> he was using the *Netscape Comm. Corp. DTD*
12:24:59 <nslater> yeah, I was getting all cocky about how good my memory is
12:25:17 <sbp> which is one of the many pillars of its awesomeness
12:25:22 <nslater> thought, srsly, wtf is that?
12:25:46 <nsh> n5h, talk sense.
12:25:48 <n5h> "no mean no for elmo!". that's not quite negation... anabaptist, still baptist, anachronism.
12:26:01 <nsh> ahh, much better
12:26:27 <sbp> nslater: see also http://inamidst.com/misc/netscapedtd
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12:26:40 <nslater> what the hell is that?
12:26:55 <sbp> view source
12:26:58 <sbp> see also http://inamidst.com/misc/html-mcom.dtd
12:27:03 <nslater> I did do...
12:27:28 <nslater> heh, is that the whole and original DTD?
12:28:08 <nsh> n5h, pls2kll html-arcana-jibbajabba now
12:28:09 <n5h> then more complexly... but i'll read some of the reciet. ty.
12:28:23 <sbp> nslater: I had to make a modification, noted twice inline
12:28:30 <sbp> with a reference to some Swhack logs
12:28:40 <sbp> everything's in the Swhack logs somewhere or other
12:28:50 <nslater> Arnia: interesting that Damien Katz is the author of many of those comments
12:28:58 <Arnia> yeah
12:29:28 <Arnia> but he has vested interest
12:30:16 <nsh> that reddit discussion is full of carefully disguised stupidity
12:30:29 <Arnia> Aren't most discussions anywhere?
12:30:33 <nsh> it's like one of those dot paintings
12:30:41 <nsh> that just looks like abstract splodges of colour
12:30:45 <nsh> until you step far enough away
12:30:47 * nslater still thinks he's missing something
12:30:53 <nsh> and realise it's the big smarmy face of idiocy
12:31:02 <Arnia> Trouble is, no one can entirely decide on what 'stupid' means. What I consider stupid, you may consider to be the epitome of good sense.
12:31:19 * nsh smiles
12:31:24 <Arnia> .wik Functional Reactive Programming
12:31:26 <phenny> "Functional reactive programming is a programming paradigm for reactive programming in a functional programming setting.[1]|" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_reactive_programming
12:31:30 <sbp> <bjoern_> PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM YOUR CHANNEL, I CAN'T STAND ALL THE SGML NOISE !!1
12:31:32 <nsh> hence the utility of subjectivity
12:31:33 <sbp> hehe
12:31:37 <bjoern_> JavaScript needs a WaitForEvent(Obj, Namespace, Name, Phases) function.
12:31:38 <Arnia> oh, that's a wonderful summary
12:31:53 <Arnia> bjoern_: phases of the moon?
12:31:58 <bjoern_> event phases
12:32:02 <nslater> lol
12:32:03 <sbp> WaitForMoon(...)
12:32:08 <nsh> MOOOOOON
12:32:10 <nsh> that's my main loop
12:32:15 <sbp> ehheh
12:32:23 <Arnia> Little Moon!
12:32:26 <nsh> WaitForMoon{ randomlulz; erata }
12:32:27 * Arnia hugs it
12:32:30 <bjoern_> void moon;
12:32:38 <nsh> EIS NOT LEGAL
12:32:45 <nsh> moon cannot be voidificationed
12:32:45 <bjoern_> phenny, de "Eis"?
12:32:46 <phenny> bjoern_: "Ice" (de to en, translate.google.com)
12:32:55 <sbp> Plutino moon;
12:33:07 <Arnia> pluvo moon;
12:33:11 <bjoern_> use Moon;
12:33:11 <sbp> mmm... pluvo
12:33:19 <nslater> 13:32 < sbp> Plutino moon;
12:33:19 <nslater> 13:33 < Arnia> pluvo moon;
12:33:19 <nslater> 13:33 < bjoern_> use Moon;
12:33:20 <nslater> <3
12:33:33 <sbp> we're too good
12:33:46 <nslater> I would like to think that was by chance XD
12:33:56 <sbp> nooooo
12:34:38 <nsh> damienkatz appears to be the resident ringleader of stupidity-steganography
12:35:03 <Arnia> he just has a vested interest in the idea of documents being king
12:35:07 <nslater> no...
12:35:10 <nsh> going out on a limb
12:35:11 <Arnia> I happen to disagree
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12:35:21 <Arnia> but hey, disagreement is fun
12:35:22 <nslater> I think you're looking at it from different perspectives
12:35:24 <nsh> he's part of one of these 'interest groups' i find so uninteresting
12:35:24 <nsh> ?
12:35:30 <nsh> or working groups that don't really work
12:35:32 <bjoern_> NO DISAGREEMENT SUX
12:35:42 <sbp> hmm
12:35:53 <sbp> if we formed an unworking group
12:35:56 <sbp> would it work?
12:36:15 <nsh> not if the work is productive and i'm in the formation
12:36:16 <Arnia> E_UNIVERSE_MAY_EXPLODE
12:36:19 <bjoern_> would it work to unwork the work of others?
12:36:19 <nsh> (is vow, remember)
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12:36:28 <nslater> Damian, and my self, to a large degree, were looking at it from the perspective of the filesystem and network IO, at which level we are both correct, things are either single documents or collections of documents. Arnia, I believe you are looking at it from the conceptual, user experience, angle, where things are more like streams and less artificially chunked
12:36:43 <sbp> if we had to unwork the work of the average working group, it wouldn't take much work
12:36:51 <Arnia> Yes, but the filesystem and network IO level can be altered
12:36:54 <sbp> WURQUE
12:37:10 <Arnia> Just because we use document-oriented OSs now, doesn't mean we have to in the future
12:37:12 <nslater> yes, of course, but the article was talking about things NOW, not how they may or how they should be
12:37:22 * nsh has some friends that play music under the name of Wurpy Quade
12:37:23 <nslater> so that's another perspective difference
12:37:32 <nsh> Wurqu for teh short
12:37:33 <nslater> OH DAMN
12:37:39 <bjoern_> This Damian? http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=107600
12:37:57 <nslater> ... I got a letter from York council yesterday, I meant to bring it into work to play some bureaucracy hocky with my MP
12:37:58 <Arnia> No, it was talking about how our architecture for computers (above bare metal) was ill-suited to how humans actually work
12:38:19 <sbp> nsh: the chick is cute. phone number pls
12:38:39 <nsh> is two..
12:38:49 <bjoern_> tel:2
12:38:56 <bjoern_> madez u a linx
12:38:58 <nslater> Arnia: yeah, you're correct actually
12:39:10 <nslater> bjoern_: no
12:39:21 <sbp> I will find out whom is whom using the powers of research
12:39:52 <bjoern_> He who uses the powers of research BECOMES the powers of research.
12:40:01 <nsh> they is opening for the
12:40:04 <nsh> .wik Bad Manners
12:40:04 <Arnia> An FRP-based OS would be a very nice thing to have
12:40:04 <phenny> "Bad Manners are an English 2 Tone ska revival band." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Manners
12:40:12 <nsh> next weekem sometime
12:40:20 <nslater> for the eternal logs, this is one of the lamest animated gifs on the intarwebs: http://www.perlmonks.org/images/userincoming/TheDamian.gif
12:40:31 * Arnia has a feeling he'll end up writing such a thing; or employing someone else to do so :p
12:40:36 <sbp> ugh, failure to research
12:40:39 <sbp> it's too hot again today
12:40:53 <nsh> nslater, i thought it was pretty aight
12:40:58 <Arnia> Another thunderstorm?
12:41:06 <nslater> Arnia: let me know if you ever start it, I could help out :)
12:41:12 <sbp> maybe on Saturday
12:41:13 * Arnia cries at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6913310.stm
12:41:16 <sbp> .title
12:41:17 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Jordan decides on daughter's name
12:41:34 <sbp> ...Princess Tiaamii
12:41:41 <Arnia> nslater: even in Haskell?
12:41:45 <nsh> ..rough
12:41:46 <nslater> "And Andre came up with the middle name by combining his mother's name, Thea, with that of Jordan's mother, Amy."
12:41:53 <nslater> wow, just wow
12:42:07 <sbp> Arnia: another thing to make your eyes water: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7472052.stm
12:42:07 <nslater> Arnia: sure, why not, it's Just Another Language
12:42:23 <Arnia> nslater: just wondering if you could cope with a Haskell OS ;)
12:42:26 <Jibbler> why are year old news articles being psted
12:42:33 <nslater> Arnia: why?
12:42:52 <sbp> Jibbler: because yellow press is equally irrelevant whatever period it comes from
12:42:56 <nsh> Jibbler, the undermine your inner sense of temporal localisation
12:42:58 <nslater> heh
12:43:05 <Jibbler> heh
12:43:36 <Arnia> Most people I have taught Haskell to, complain greatly. They think that any language which isn't OO is useless
12:44:11 <nsh> .gs most people are *
12:44:13 <phenny> most people are *: familiar (13), aware (9), stupid (4), unaware (3), fucktards (3), zwitters (2), willing (2), morons (2), fuckwits (2), fools (2), dumb (2)
12:44:32 <nslater> well, if I was going to contribute, it would probably be more along the lines of gluing stuff together and providing infrastructure/packaging, I'm pretty good at that :p
12:44:56 <nsh> most people are willingly aware and familiar as stupid unaware fucktard zwitter moron fuckwit fools, who are dumb,.
12:45:14 * nslater ^5's n5h
12:45:15 * sbp wonders if n5h agrees
12:45:15 <n5h> add butter and sugar and stir a bit. fascinating idea though.
12:45:16 <n5h> for ay/aye?
12:45:34 <Arnia> nslater: question is, what bits of the existing metaphors are worth saving and which should be jettisoned?
12:46:24 <sbp> .wik Prosopopoeia
12:46:25 <phenny> "A prosopopoeia (Greek: προσωποποιία) is a rhetorical device in which a speaker or writer communicates to the audience by speaking as another person or object." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopopoeia
12:46:30 <nslater> the best metaphor, imho, is that of everything as a file
12:46:34 <nslater> cf. plan 9
12:46:51 <nsh> yeah mang
12:46:53 <nsh> we should give one a try
12:46:56 <nsh> for half a century
12:46:57 <Arnia> nslater: I disagree
12:47:02 <nsh> and see how that goes
12:47:20 <Arnia> nslater: File is the wrong level of granuality and it encourages siloing
12:47:31 * Arnia notices his typing and spelling are off today
12:47:55 <Arnia> anyway, the notion of a 'file' is too large IMO
12:48:17 <Arnia> Everything as an arrow might be better...
12:48:21 * Arnia ponders this
12:48:24 <nslater> ... I was thinking specifically about special devices, network devices, disks, special nodes etc
12:48:26 <sbp> I still think we should go back to paper
12:48:31 <sbp> and then slowly extend it
12:48:36 <Arnia> nslater: I know... but the same applies
12:48:36 <nsh> i think we should go back to the moooooon
12:48:39 <nsh> and slowly extend it
12:48:49 <sbp> extend the moon in which direction and to which aim pls
12:49:03 * Arnia extends the moon to Epping Forest
12:49:09 <sbp> hardcore
12:49:16 <nslater> how about pub/sub stream based system, for everything
12:49:27 <Arnia> Lacks generality
12:49:41 <Arnia> Hence my thoughts about using arrows as the abstraction
12:49:56 <nsh> left arrow for zero
12:49:59 <nsh> and right arrow for one
12:50:03 <Arnia> ...
12:50:04 <nslater> arrows?
12:50:12 <sbp> ooh
12:50:15 <sbp> you know what'd be cool?
12:50:16 <Arnia> http://www.haskell.org/arrows/
12:50:32 <sbp> an eink interface + really granular supergps
12:50:35 <nslater> hmm
12:50:36 <Arnia> A generalisation of monads based on the notion of Freyd categories
12:50:40 <sbp> that knows its exact position on earth down to some level of mm
12:50:45 <nslater> im sure ive seen a more general name for that
12:50:47 <Arnia> Don't worry about what that means...
12:50:51 <sbp> so that you can use the surface of the earth as your notepad
12:50:54 <nsh> i worry that you said it
12:50:59 <nsh> more than i worry that it might mean anything :-)
12:51:02 <sbp> literally the only things you can do are write and erase
12:51:05 <Arnia> nsh: compulsive category theorist
12:51:10 <sbp> depending on where the notepad is positioned on the earth's surface
12:51:13 * nsh smiles
12:51:29 <nsh> hmms at sbpstream
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12:51:51 <Monty2> hey JibberJim
12:51:52 <nslater> Arnia: isn't this related to unix pipes?
12:51:57 <sbp> I've always wanted to be able to write in three dimensions too
12:51:59 <nslater> or similar to
12:52:01 <sbp> just draw in the air with a pen
12:52:04 <sbp> and somehow it marks
12:52:17 <Arnia> nslater: arrows subsume monads (Kleisli arrows), parsers with static optimisation, standard functions, FRP, data-flow programming, tangible values, etc.
12:52:21 <sbp> no stupid projection bullshit either
12:52:38 <Arnia> nslater: only in the same way that a UNIX pipe is similar to a bucket of bits
12:52:49 <nslater> Arnia: I'm way out of my depth :) time for a coffee break
12:52:57 <sbp> man, you could draw some pretty leet shit that way
12:53:04 <nsh> arrow: takes input, changes it, gives output -- does not require abstruse mathematical definitions
12:53:09 <sbp> I'd draw a house and there would be happy people inside it
12:53:13 <Arnia> nslater: ok. Think of an arrow as being an abstraction of computation
12:53:16 <sbp> and some trees
12:53:17 <Arnia> Any sort of computation
12:53:21 <nsh> sbp++
12:53:22 <sbp> and a cow with five butts
12:53:27 <nsh> i drew a box around the sun once
12:53:28 <clsn> Yeah, I've often wished for such a thing too. Though probably would have trouble controlling it well.
12:53:35 <nsh> well, actually, ruth drew a box around the sun in a poem that i wrote
12:53:40 <clsn> I mean, it's hard enough to make the lines meet in the right places in 2D.
12:53:41 <nsh> so, by the transitive property
12:53:49 <nsh> ...ur mum
12:53:55 <sbp> .wik Ruth
12:53:56 <phenny> "Ruth (Hebrew: רות rut) is a common female given name, from Ruth the Moabite in the Book of Ruth, possibly from the Hebrew for 'companion'." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth
12:54:07 <nsh> ruth is the girl you called cute from the quade
12:54:18 <sbp> oh man, don't remind me of cuteness now
12:54:25 <nsh> not in this heat!
12:54:30 <sbp> damn right
12:54:40 <clsn> So just remember, anyone described as "ruthless" probably just means he divorced his wife, Ruth.
12:55:25 <sbp> .ety extirpate
12:55:26 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "extirpate". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=extirpate
12:55:29 <sbp> .ety exterpate
12:55:30 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "exterpate". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=exterpate
12:55:37 <sbp> there is a woord around here somewhere...
12:55:55 <clsn> I think extirpate is the correct spelling.
12:56:02 <clsn> Maybe the etymology thingy just doesn't know it.
12:56:02 <sbp> .ety extirpation
12:56:03 <phenny> "1526, from L. extirpationem, from extirpare 'root out,' from ex- 'out' + stirps (gen. stirpis) 'a root, stock of a tree.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=extirpation
12:56:05 <nsh> [Etymology: ad. L. ex(s)tirpatus, pa. pple. of ex(s)tirpare: used as pa. pple. of next.]
12:56:14 <nsh> O-face ED
12:56:23 <nsh> SHOW ME UR OED-FACE!
12:56:23 * Monty2 spots someone who needs to learn English...
12:56:25 <sbp> .ety moon
12:56:26 <phenny> "O.E. mona, from P.Gmc. *mænon- (cf. O.S., O.H.G. mano, O.Fris. mona, O.N. mani, Du. maan, Ger. Mond, Goth. mena 'moon'), from PIE *me(n)ses- 'moon, month' (cf. Skt. masah 'moon, month;' Avestan ma, Pers. mah, Arm. mis 'month;' Gk. mene 'moon,' men 'month;' L. mensis [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=moon
12:56:29 <nsh> shut up Monty2
12:56:33 <Monty2> "lolbutts:" = where berks is the Government is plain text version told him
12:56:39 <sbp> hehe
12:56:44 * nsh exports Monty2 to berkspace
12:56:45 <Monty2> sure I thought DanC said if you're still think though... I'm off
12:56:48 <sbp> made u say lolbutts Monty2
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12:56:51 <nsh> DANC IS UP TO SOMETHING :-/
12:56:52 <Monty2> .gs most people don't think to inanimate objects i believe you eviscerated his wife, Ruth.
12:56:53 <phenny> Query must have one "*" exactly
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12:56:59 <nsh> no wait, was that TimBl?
12:57:01 * clsn has not been speaking much here lately. Or much that's coherent. Generally not thinking deep thoughts these days. :(
12:57:05 <nsh> fuckit, i'm sure they're both up to something
12:57:05 <sbp> Monty2: don't eviscerate Ruth!
12:57:08 <Monty2> in... ....A ROBOT in... ....A ROBOT
12:57:13 <sbp> clsn: whypls
12:57:21 <clsn> I dunno. Just down.
12:57:25 <nsh> clsn, perhaps you have been paying not attention to the general level of deepness herein contemporaneously
12:57:30 <sbp> phenny: tell bjoern_ <Monty2> in... ....A ROBOT in... ....A ROBOT
12:57:31 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when bjoern_ is around.
12:57:34 <nsh> clsn, don't be down mang!
12:57:34 <sbp> clsn: don't be down!
12:57:34 <Monty2> ferocious SNES fences respects Gwil's Playbus and desperate Danish Snooker!
12:57:39 <nsh> see
12:57:41 <sbp> yeah
12:57:45 <nsh> whatever we say thrice is true
12:57:52 <nsh> and the thriced-time is implied in swhack
12:58:07 <sbp> my its mere ambient thriceness
12:58:10 <sbp> s/my/by/
12:58:14 <clsn> I've decided to hold sbp responsible for keeping me motivated and doing Kewl Thingz. So it's your fault.
12:58:21 <sbp> ôdear
12:58:26 <bjoern_> Monty2: stats
12:58:26 <phenny> bjoern_: 12:57Z <sbp> tell bjoern_ <Monty2> in... ....A ROBOT in... ....A ROBOT
12:58:27 <nsh> &dover
12:58:29 <Monty2> Greenlandic weekly tea was exhausted partners and helping male etchings.
12:58:31 <Monty2> Morbus: linked from People - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue
12:58:46 <bjoern_> Monty2: help
12:58:49 <Monty2> I reckon fairy tales + chicane = unreleased bazooka...
12:58:52 <nsh> .gs duty to *
12:58:53 <phenny> duty to *: preserve (7), obey (7), defend (7), warn (6), protect (6), investigate (5), disobey (5), accomodate (5), uphold (4), god (4), gestate (4)
12:58:57 <bjoern_> HE IS AN IMPOSTER
12:59:03 <sbp> clsn: you could find me a Middle English original version of The House of Fame in HTTP land!
12:59:04 <nsh> Unreleased bazooka chicane!
12:59:08 <nsh> that would make me watch formula-1
12:59:13 <sbp> but I doubt this would cause anyone to be undown
12:59:23 <clsn> The House of Fame? I don't even know about a modern English version...
12:59:23 <nsh> RainbowPuke.com made me undown
12:59:33 <nsh> that was a very timely and necessary undownification
12:59:53 <sbp> ah, http://omacl.org/Houseoffame/
13:00:05 <sbp> clsn: oh yeah! rainbowpuke.com!
13:00:08 <clsn> I looked at rainbowpuke... and I seemed to be just in the wrong angle of weirdness...
13:00:26 <clsn> Just "oh... pictures of puking rainbows. um. ok, i can see how that could be funny."
13:00:38 <clsn> .gs a gentle introduction to *
13:00:39 <phenny> a gentle introduction to *: xsl (6), semantic subtyping (6), ml (6), imputation (6), quantile (5), emacspeak (5), stata (4), programming (4), precomputed (4), haskell (4)
13:00:53 <clsn> Wow... All programming geeky stuff.
13:01:09 <nsh> let us redress!
13:01:10 <clsn> Why no "gentle introduction to light bondage" or "gentle introduction to bukkake"?
13:01:20 <nsh> a gentle introduction to sporting vasectomies
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13:01:24 <Monty2> But what does jeffarch have to do with the price of fish?
13:01:32 <nsh> a gentle introduction to marsupian sewing
13:01:52 <sbp> a gentle introduction to the exciting hobby of hoover redaction
13:01:56 <nsh> a gentle introduction to innebriated cobra-coiling
13:02:11 <nsh> a gentle introduction to wensleydale body-art
13:02:25 <bjoern_> .gc pukebow
13:02:26 <phenny> pukebow: 10
13:02:30 <bjoern_> .gc pukebow porn
13:02:30 <nsh> a gentle introduction to anatomical inversion of vagrants and micreants
13:02:31 <phenny> pukebow porn: 6
13:02:32 <sbp> .gc rainpuke
13:02:32 <phenny> rainpuke: 1
13:02:37 <sbp> .gc rainpuke porn
13:02:38 <phenny> rainpuke porn: 0
13:02:41 <nsh> .g rainpuke
13:02:41 <phenny> nsh: http://data.rankcount.com/brainpuke.com/
13:02:44 <nsh> pft
13:02:59 <nsh> a gentle introduction to eschaton immenantisation
13:03:07 <sbp> YEAH!
13:03:20 <bjoern_> not here plz
13:03:24 <nsh> a gentle introduction to space-time continuum origami
13:03:25 <clsn> I hope they don't give too many examples...
13:04:05 <sbp> 929 For in this regioun, certein,
13:04:05 <sbp> 930 Dwelleth many a citezein,
13:04:05 <sbp> 931 Of which that speketh dan Plato.
13:04:11 <sbp> I didn't know Plato's first name was Dan!
13:04:13 <nsh> a gentle introduction to the vagaries of cryptozoological insemination
13:04:18 <sbp> Dan Plato. sounds pretty good
13:04:36 <sbp> what was Socrates' first name? Jim?
13:04:39 <nsh> a gentle introduction to impersonating cryogenically preserved greek philosophers
13:04:39 <clsn> Sounds like an actor in some old-time western, or a TV show like Andy Griffith.
13:04:44 <sbp> Jim Socrates, Dan Plato, and Andy Aristotle
13:04:59 <nsh> a gentle introduction to Andy Griffith's sphincter
13:05:35 <nsh> a gentle introduction to genocide
13:06:06 <clsn> .gs fair *
13:06:07 <phenny> fair *: use (6), trade (6), isaac (4), go (4), website (3), to (3), pharmacare (3), oaks farms (3), isle (3), housing (3), has (3), the (2), park (2)
13:06:09 <sbp> nsh: one line advertisements for earth from an alien perspective
13:06:18 <nsh> hehe
13:06:18 <clsn> "fair isaac"?
13:06:18 <sbp> canmakeupls?
13:06:48 <nsh> Earth: high in alkaloids and futile discussion of information architecture standards
13:06:49 <bjoern_> .gcs [swhack penis] [swhack -penis]
13:06:50 <phenny> swhack -penis (7,510), swhack penis (795)
13:06:54 <sbp> heh, heh
13:07:10 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Swhack: High in Alkaloids || Morbus: Making the Bigfeet Happy - http://www.disobey.com/node/183"
13:07:17 <bjoern_> .gc "Joe Newton"
13:07:18 <phenny> "Joe Newton": 37,300
13:07:44 <nsh> Earth: they made life from carbon and boy is it ever retarded
13:07:50 <sbp> ehheh
13:08:02 <nsh> Earth: you'd be surprised how many things have anuses here
13:08:03 <clsn> Carbon: it's what's for dinner.
13:08:06 <sbp> ahaha
13:09:02 <nsh> Earth: home of the anthropic principle
13:09:25 * sbp tries his hand at some...
13:09:35 <sbp> Earth: we're confused
13:09:42 <nsh> Earth: THEY BLEW IT UP. THOSE MONSTERS!
13:10:17 <clsn> Why would Earth need a motto? That implies that there's someone out there for which it isn't all there is. It's like fish making advertisements for water.
13:10:19 <sbp> Earth: come for the humans, stay for the antelope
13:10:44 <nsh> Earth: Mostly prokaryotic
13:10:57 <nsh> clsn, is for aliens
13:11:15 <nsh> clsn, and their lucrative cow-bothering tourisms
13:11:16 <clsn> Yeah, I'm trying to take the parochial view here... the "we're confused" one.
13:11:18 <sbp> Earth: we tried to tidy up, but that just made things worse
13:11:42 <sbp> yeah, I'm doing local adverts, totally defying my own schema
13:11:50 <sbp> had to variatim from nsh you see
13:11:51 <nsh> Earth: they *buy and sell* quantification of damage to their ecosystem!
13:13:38 <nsh> n5h, attract moar aliens pls
13:13:40 <n5h> and i'm not able to comprehend. a non-human mindlet. but then it's more like how one of those. now.
13:13:54 <nsh> .gc mindlet
13:13:55 <phenny> mindlet: 904
13:13:56 <clsn> Yeah, I can just see the guys around the stadium, "yo, got carbon credits here..."
13:14:07 <nsh> hehe
13:14:13 <sbp> oh man, they should make carbon credit dollars
13:14:16 * nsh goes into business selling carbon debits
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13:17:04 <sbp> eating animals is funny
13:17:06 <sbp> when you think about it
13:17:15 <Arnia> sbp: don't... that will probably be the next derivative sold on the markets... 'we tried money as repackaged debt, now do your bit to screw over other countries by accepting money as carbon credits'
13:17:22 <sbp> can just imagine one of our ancestors
13:17:24 <procto> don't be edifying national currencies yo. pollution rights is a relatively sane base
13:17:30 <zachb> How so?
13:17:32 <procto> though it depends on legislation
13:17:32 <sbp> surveying the plains, looking at all the cute li'l creatures
13:17:39 <clsn> Well, why distinguish animals from plants? Isn't that distinction sort of artificial too?
13:17:41 <sbp> and saying, YEAH! GONNA EAT ME SOME O DAT!
13:17:42 <zachb> then BBQ!
13:17:51 <procto> the main issue in pricing this stuff into the market
13:17:53 <sbp> animals are plants with feelings
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13:18:03 <nsh> animals are plants without feelers
13:18:07 <clsn> plants are animals who don't show their feelings.
13:18:08 <zachb> But my plants have feelings!
13:18:16 * nsh eating lingonberry gunk. back the lattahs
13:18:17 <zachb> They love me!
13:18:21 <sbp> plants are feelings
13:18:32 <sbp> animals are plants with feelings
13:18:40 <zachb> so animals are plants with plants?
13:18:43 <procto> I don't see what feelings have to do with steaks
13:18:45 <zachb> ...actually that makes sense...
13:18:47 <sbp> yeah
13:18:51 <sbp> suparplants
13:18:52 <zachb> steaks aren't animals
13:18:57 <procto> exactly
13:19:03 <zachb> its a bird!
13:19:20 <procto> though, I've fantasized of riding a cow with a sharpened ice cream scooper and a blow torch
13:19:40 *** nsh changed the topic to: "Swhack: High in Alkaloids || <procto> though, I've fantasized of riding a cow with a sharpened ice cream scooper and a blow torch ¦¦ Morbus: Making the Bigfeet Happy - http://www.disobey.com/node/183"
13:19:44 <procto> pump it full of morphine first, of course
13:19:49 <zachb> Mhmm
13:20:41 <procto> the URL in the topic got cut off
13:20:50 <procto> should be 1835
13:20:59 *** nsh changed the topic to: "Swhack: High in Alkaloids || <procto> though, I've fantasized of riding a cow with a sharpened ice cream scooper and a blow torch ¦¦ Morbus: Making the Bigfeet Happy - http://www.disobey.com/node/1835"
13:21:05 <zachb> it's been like that for awhile...
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13:21:26 <sbp> wins
13:21:57 <zachb> > loses
13:22:05 <clsn> .gcs wins loses
13:22:07 <phenny> wins (151,000,000), loses (49,900,000)
13:22:36 <sbp> buffalo. wins, or loses?
13:22:46 <nsh> man
13:22:50 <nsh> lingonberries
13:22:58 <nsh> are like fruit without all that bothersome fructose
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13:23:11 <nsh> that burdens them down with tasting sweet and tasty
13:23:14 <zachb> buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo!
13:23:44 <nsh> .gs the demon * of fleet street
13:23:45 <phenny> the demon * of fleet street: barber (139)
13:23:47 <nsh> pft
13:24:21 <nsh> [[[
13:24:21 <nsh> Parquette offered a concrete analogy for the effect.
13:24:21 <nsh> "Think of the Radio City Rockettes dance line. The first Rockette kicks her leg in one direction, and the rest of them kick the same leg in the same direction -- all the way down the line. A change in shape that starts at one end of a molecule will propagate smoothly all the way to the other end."
13:24:28 <nsh> ]]] -- http://esciencenews.com/articles/2008/07/02/synthetic.molecules.emulate.enzyme.behavior.first.time
13:24:28 <Monty2> Mobibot: recap
13:24:48 <nsh> Monty2, you talk when you're spoken too, bish
13:25:00 <Monty2> <Gazette Title="London" SchemaVersion="1.0" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.tso.co.uk/assets/namespace/gazette c:\GazettesSubmission\ValidationFiles\Schema\schemaGazette-v1-0.xsd" xmlns:ukm="http://www.tso.co.uk/assets/namespace/metadata"
13:25:01 <clsn> Sorry, got distracted in the middle of that, looking at the Rockettes' legs...
13:25:07 * nsh chuckles
13:26:35 <sbp> .wik Radio City Rockettes
13:26:35 <phenny> "The Rockettes are a well-known precision dance company, stationed out of the Radio City Music Hall in Manhattan, New York City." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_City_Rockettes
13:26:47 <procto> anyone here ever mave Miracle Fruit?
13:26:54 <procto> I'm thinking of procuring some in the near future
13:26:58 <procto> have*
13:27:14 <clsn> Miracle Fruit?
13:27:20 <sbp> .gc "synchronised prettiness"
13:27:23 <phenny> "synchronised prettiness": 0
13:27:29 <nsh> .gs synchronised *
13:27:30 <phenny> synchronised *: swimming (60), hyperedge (7), swimmer (6), for u21 (4), cylinders (4), clocks (4), skating (3), nixie (3), files (3), swimming tickets (2)
13:27:52 <clsn> A guy I knew (chem professor in Israel) used to insist that fijoa was what the Righteous in heaven would eat for breakfast...
13:27:58 <clsn> .wik fijoa
13:27:59 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "fijoa".
13:28:04 <clsn> .gd fijoa
13:28:05 <phenny> fijoa: No definition found!
13:28:12 <clsn> It's a fruit, dammit!
13:28:34 <clsn> About the size of a plum, green, you slice it in half and eat the insides with a spoon! It tastes a little like pixie stix.
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13:28:38 <sbp> .dict fijoa
13:28:39 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no definition found.
13:28:44 <clsn> I must be spelling it wrong.
13:29:00 <clsn> .gcs fijoa fijoya
13:29:01 <phenny> fijoa (2,600), fijoya (119)
13:29:07 <clsn> .g fijoa
13:29:08 <phenny> clsn: http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/ljohnston325/new_zealand2007/1198352100/fijoa-fruit-plant.jpg/tpod.html
13:29:14 <clsn> .title
13:29:17 <phenny> clsn: fijoa fruit plant, Rotorua, New Zealand
13:30:20 <clsn> .wik feijoa
13:30:20 <phenny> "The Feijoa (Feijoa sellowiana, synonym Acca sellowiana), also known as Pineapple Guava or Guavasteen, is an evergreen shrub or small tree, 1-7 m in height, originating from the highlands of southern Brazil, parts of Colombia, Uruguay and northern Argentina." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feijoa
13:30:26 <clsn> Ah. Knew I was spelling it wrong.
13:30:41 <sbp> .gd feijoa
13:30:41 <phenny> feijoa: This small, egg-shaped fruit is native to South America. It provides a very fragrant, cream-colored flesh with a jelly-like center.
13:30:43 <sbp> .dict feijoa
13:30:44 <phenny> feijoa - 1. fruit tasting like pineapple, 2. S American fruit tree
13:31:08 <clsn> Hurray for Google's "did you mean...?" feature.
13:31:23 <nsh> .gs did you mean *
13:31:25 <phenny> did you mean *: kibblesmith (6), lucene (3), iplone (3), voicepulse (2), shaveling (2), results message (2), predestine (2), pent (2), ottowa (2), optiks (2)
13:31:28 <nsh> wtf
13:31:34 <nsh> why yes, i did mean kibblesmith
13:32:31 <sbp> we all mean kibblesmith, secretly
13:33:08 <nsh> http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/769060.jpg
13:33:12 <nsh> this guy means serious kibblesmith
13:33:16 <nsh> (context: http://kibblesmith.blogspot.com/2007_11_01_archive.html )
13:33:32 <sbp> AHHHH HE'S STARTING KIBBLESMITHEDLY AT THE VIEWER!
13:33:55 <nsh> EEEEK
13:34:05 <nsh> BREAK OUT THE KIBBLESMITHDEFENCES
13:34:21 <nsh> PUT THE SECTOR ON KIBBLESMITHALERT LEVEL SEVENTY
13:34:39 <nsh> this looks to be a kibblesmithsome day, children
13:34:58 <sbp> replete with kibblesmithplenty
13:35:18 <nsh> perhaps we can perform an improvised kibblesmithectomy
13:35:26 <clsn> Feijoa font! http://www.vllg.com/KLIM/Feijoa/mudTyper+Weights/
13:35:26 <nsh> using a wire kibblesmithanger
13:35:48 <nsh> and some righteous indikibblesmithigation
13:35:52 <clsn> Swhack: It's like watching the smurfs, but with more syllables.
13:35:58 <nsh> hehe
13:36:02 <sbp> awesome
13:36:35 * nsh goes for a kibblesmithspiddle
13:36:37 <nsh> brb
13:37:31 <sbp> otherwise known as a "Jimmy Riddle"
13:37:46 <sbp> in teh coeckney rhyming slnag
13:38:00 <nsh> hehe
13:38:02 <clsn> Actually a pretty nice font...
13:38:22 <nsh> we had a seminar speaker from an inner-london university a few weeks back
13:38:29 <clsn> Oh man, a "ww" ligature? wtf?
13:38:35 <sbp> vvvv
13:38:36 <nsh> and i was really hoping she was going to lecture in cockney rhyming slang
13:38:40 <sbp> ehheh
13:38:46 <sbp> cockney rhyming slang and scat
13:38:55 <sbp> damn that would be funky
13:38:55 <nsh> Pots and Vases, ATPases, init?!
13:39:00 <sbp> hahaha
13:39:14 <clsn> I don't even know if it's ww or vvv or what... it looks like *five* v's, sorta.
13:39:23 <nsh> fuckl
13:39:27 <nsh> five v's
13:39:29 <nsh> this i gotta see
13:40:08 <clsn> Wow. And a tasteful interrobang...
13:40:19 <nsh> hehe
13:40:21 <clsn> Download the PDF sample from the link I put up before. Check page 7 I think.
13:40:29 <sbp> oh come off it. nobody can make decent interrobangsa
13:40:30 * nsh imagines the tastefulk interrobang as a dinner party
13:40:44 <nsh> regailing the guests with tales from the african campaigns
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13:41:10 <clsn> Srsly, look at the interrobang on p.8.
13:41:29 * sbp gets http://vllg.com/PDFs/vllg_Feijoa.pdf
13:41:41 <clsn> Or p.6.
13:41:55 <sbp> hmm. that is quite reasonable
13:41:56 <clsn> The wvw ligature is on p5 and p7 (I was looking at p7, the italic one)
13:42:03 <clsn> But there's also a roman one.
13:42:12 <sbp> woah, sweet
13:42:35 <clsn> The rest of the font is also actually pretty nice. I would buy it if I, you know, had any use for it and had any money to spend on fonts.
13:42:39 <sbp> T/\/\/\/\T
13:48:51 <clsn> (in re [off] discussion) I stumbled yesterday onto an old flamewar in the Jewish Music community...
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13:48:57 <sbp> ...oh yeah?
13:49:39 <clsn> A *lot* of wedding standards and other Jewish Music stuff is repackaged "ordinary" songs. There are people out there that don't know that what they're singing is really "Land Down Under" by Talking Heads or whatever.
13:49:59 <sbp> [[[
13:49:59 <sbp> Commenting on the band's relationship with EMI, he said, "We have no record contract as such ... What we would like is the old EMI back again, the nice genteel arms manufacturers who treated music [as] a nice side project who weren't too bothered about the shareholders. Ah well, not much chance of that."
13:50:06 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Rainbows
13:50:08 <sbp> clsn: ha
13:50:37 <clsn> And there's some flamage partly about whether or not this is a Good Thing or just unavoidable, but also as to how naughty various famous and respected artists were when they neglect to note the actual composer on their albums.
13:50:51 <clsn> But it was weird reading it and following the youtube links...
13:50:55 <sbp> [[[
13:50:55 <sbp> Bypassing a traditional physical release in stores, Radiohead released the album as a download available for order from inrainbows.com on 10 October 2007. In a Wired interview, Yorke explained that "every record for the last four—including my solo record—has been leaked. So the idea was like, we'll leak it, then.
13:50:56 <sbp> ]]]
13:51:09 <sbp> [[[
13:51:10 <sbp> "
13:51:14 <sbp> ]]] - ibid.
13:51:18 <clsn> Most of the songs, I only knew/recognized in their "mundane" forms; I didn't know they had become wedding standards.
13:51:34 <clsn> Some, I realized that I had heard at weddings, but figured *everyone* knew where that was from.
13:51:51 <sbp> are they really changed so as to be almost unrecognisable then?
13:52:07 <clsn> There is the classic case, though, where I only recently found out the song was originally from elsewhere, and it's what more or less started the discussion.
13:52:34 <clsn> No, they aren't. Often they are completely unchanged, except for the lyrics. Sometimes they're changed a bit, sometimes people say "well, that's not really the same song..."
13:53:20 <clsn> Apparently one big deal is some track by a JM group that seems to have copied the arrangement for some big intro from the Scorpions "Rock you like a hurricane".
13:53:45 <clsn> Not even sure it's the whole song, maybe just this big riff or something. But I've never heard the JM incarnation of it, so I don't know.
13:53:50 <clsn> But the classic...
13:54:31 <clsn> Mordechai Ben David's blockbuster hit "Yidden, Yidden." A fantastic, foot-stomping song. Inextricably branded throughout my brain with Yiddish and Jewish music...
13:54:58 <clsn> Was originally a song called "Dschingis Khan" by a group of the same name, I believe a Eurovision entry.
13:55:02 <sbp> hehe
13:55:06 <clsn> Blows my mind every time I hear the original version.
13:55:19 <clsn> There are lots of YouTube performances, lemme find one.
13:56:17 <clsn> I even saw one recently that was done with... you know the recent game, of subtitling foreign-language songs with the English words you *think* you hear?
13:56:45 <sbp> yeah
13:56:49 <sbp> not all that recent though
13:56:54 <sbp> first time I remember it was Hatt Baby
13:56:55 <clsn> True.
13:56:57 <sbp> .wik Hatt Baby
13:56:59 <phenny> "Hatten är din (Swedish for 'The hat is yours'), was a popular internet meme from 2000." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatten_%C3%A4r_din
13:57:03 <sbp> there, 2000
13:57:10 <clsn> First one I saw was the "Benny Lava" one I think.
13:57:16 <sbp> oh yeah, that's a great one
13:57:30 <clsn> Been meaning to show it to my wife.
13:57:36 <sbp> she would love it
13:57:52 <clsn> There are songs these days for which I preferentially sing the mondegreens, and can't help but think of them...
13:58:02 <clsn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_esCf2GSTI is the song I think
13:58:18 <sbp> in Misty Mountain Hop I almost always sing "clouds of people"
13:58:19 <clsn> (my FF doesn't do sound in flash, so I haven't checked, but it should be right.)
13:58:29 <sbp> just beacuse for some annoying reason I can't get it right
13:58:38 <clsn> I'm not remembering the ones I always think of... Lessee...
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13:59:11 <clsn> In "You're the One that I Want" from Grease, we once read the mondegreen: "I got shoes... They're made of plywood."
13:59:16 <clsn> You don't bounce back after that.
13:59:20 <sbp> ehheh
13:59:58 <clsn> "Gonna take a lot to keep me away from you... There's nothing that a hundred men on Mars could ever do... I blessed the rains down in Africa..."
14:00:23 <clsn> dammit what was the one I was singing along with the radio the other day...
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14:00:40 <_bjoern> So I take it "clicking an ink pen" already qualifies as harassment when used around someone sensitive to clicking an ink pen.
14:01:04 <sbp> .title http://www.flickr.com/photos/mezzoblue/2591136952/
14:01:06 <phenny> sbp: The meme shirt on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
14:01:35 <sbp> depends
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14:01:42 <sbp> try to click the pen in morse code
14:02:02 <sbp> and make it say things like "IS THIS CLICKING ANNOYING YOU STOP PLEASE REPLY IN BLINKS STOP REGARDS BJOERGN"
14:02:04 <_bjoern> most unfunny shirt
14:02:10 <sbp> agreed
14:02:55 <clsn> argh what a tacky shirt.
14:03:07 <clsn> I'm assuming/hoping I won't get all of the references, since I'm not that trendy.
14:03:35 <sbp> goatse and fsm are the only must-have memes
14:06:15 <nsh> .title http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2008/07/wikileaks
14:06:15 <phenny> nsh: Immune to Critics, Secret-Spilling Wikileaks Plans to Save Journalism From Itself
14:06:18 <nsh> WIKILEAKS: FUCK YEAH!
14:06:42 <clsn> I am gratified that I don't get the vast majority of the meme references.
14:07:57 <nsh> wtf
14:08:00 <nsh> .wik Federation of American Scientists' Secrecy Project
14:08:02 <phenny> "The Federation of American Scientists (FAS)[1]| is a non-profit organization formed in 1945 by scientists from the Manhattan Project who felt that scientists, engineers and other innovators had an ethical obligation to bring their knowledge and experience to bear on [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_American_Scientists
14:08:26 <nsh> .gs ethical obligation to bring their knowledge and experience to bear on *
14:08:27 <phenny> ethical obligation to bring their knowledge and experience to bear on *: No results!
14:08:49 <procto> v/win 16
14:09:00 <sbp> lols
14:09:46 <nsh> "The FAS Government Secrecy Project's stated goal, which it has pursued for many years, has been to increase access to information, which ensures that the public can play a meaningful role in their democracy, while still preserving what FAS believes is a level of security and secrecy sufficient to protect critical national secrets. "
14:10:06 <nsh> and this guy's bitching about wikileaks publishing information about religious beliefs and practices?
14:10:08 <nsh> twat
14:10:08 <sbp> like the identity of GWB's concubine
14:13:23 <procto> the main problem with that meme shirt
14:13:35 <procto> is that as usual, the goatse hands are upside down
14:13:42 <procto> the thumbs are on the bottom
14:13:46 <_bjoern> is that most memes are unknown or suck, and it's ugly.
14:13:47 <procto> that is, should be
14:13:56 <procto> but they are on top on the shirt
14:14:31 <sbp> good point
14:14:44 <nsh> hehe
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14:15:23 <procto> it's a very common mistake
14:15:34 <procto> people visualize their own hands instead of his
14:16:00 <clsn> I'd rather not visualize my own hands in this situation, thanks.
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14:19:12 <procto> well, people keep doing it
14:19:24 <procto> they see hands in front of their face, and goatse in front of that
14:19:31 <procto> rather than imaginge reaching back
14:19:40 <procto> which would quickly correct their misconceptions
14:19:49 <procto> alright, time to head off
14:20:16 <clsn> Yah, gotta get stuff done early today.
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14:21:46 <sbp> [[[
14:21:47 <sbp> Manufacturers such as White Clover are updating the bridal petticoat and designing-out its historical shortcomings by using modern material such as Velcro, elastic and Spandex.
14:21:54 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petticoat
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14:37:31 <nsh> .wik Hyperbolic chamber
14:37:33 <phenny> "Earth (also known as the Dragon World) is a fictional planet, (based on a non-fictional planet) inhabited by humans, demons, extraterrestrials, and the like being the main setting for the bulk of the plot of the Dragon Ball manga, the Dragon Ball anime, Dragon Ball Z, [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_(Dragon_Ball)
14:37:44 <nsh> lol
14:38:03 <nsh> "Wow, I think I actually visited this guy's place when I was really young (probably 5). It was around Glen Rose, TX. All I remember is that his HQ was pretty much just a mobile home. The "hyperbolic chamber" was about the size of a propane tank and there was a snake inside or something. Definitely one of my most bizarre memories."
14:40:38 <sbp> lolwhat?
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15:05:19 <nsh> .ety treble
15:05:20 <phenny> "c.1374, 'three times, triple,' from O.Fr. treble (12c.), from L. triplus (see triple)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=treble
15:06:39 <nsh> why the clef called treble?!
15:09:44 <sbp> [[[
15:09:44 <sbp> The noun meaning "highest part in music, soprano" is attested from c.1330, from O.Fr. treble; in early contrapuntal music, the chief melody was in the tenor, and the treble was the "third" part above it (after the alto).
15:09:45 <sbp> ]]]
15:10:51 <nsh> sbp is the winnar
15:11:05 <sbp> so I was about to gripe at someone in berkspace about how much berkspace sucks
15:11:25 <sbp> and they say, before I can even start, that Google is being called to hand over all Youtube visitor records
15:11:35 <sbp> and how this is a gross civil liberty thing and blah blah
15:11:51 <sbp> and like, after that... well that pretty much destroyed my berkspace grumble opportunity
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15:12:39 <sbp> though, thinking about it, the Youtube debacle is being caused by a judge who is clearly part of berkspace
15:12:49 <sbp> so the internets are being sullied by berkspace intervention
15:13:08 <nsh> Jewlube debauchery, you say?
15:13:24 <sbp> I think it was reported in here earlier too
15:13:25 <nsh> (no offense to resident jews, lube-fetishists)
15:13:38 <sbp> <bjoern_> http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/07/court-ruling-will-expose-viewing-habits-youtube-us
15:14:14 <nsh> sounds like bollocks that won't stand
15:14:55 <nsh> wait
15:14:57 <nsh> i forgot
15:15:03 <nsh> this is gagalandjokeincarnation
15:15:34 <sbp> yep
15:15:43 <sbp> never underestimate it
15:15:59 <nsh> i truly try
15:17:56 <nelix> duckonduckaction
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15:18:44 <nsh> WHERE>?!
15:18:47 <nsh> i mean, uh
15:19:01 <nsh> *relaxed inquiry as to the location of said, only marginally interesting activity*
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15:21:15 <Arnia> .c 7500 EUR per month in GBP per year
15:21:16 <phenny> 7 500 (Euros per month) = 71 943.801 British pounds per year
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15:21:43 <sbp> nelix: TELL HIM
15:22:08 <Arnia> .c 435272 rand in GBP
15:22:09 <phenny> 435 272 South African rands = 28 090.8039 British pounds
15:22:14 <Arnia> ...
15:22:18 <Arnia> good grief
15:22:29 <sbp> .c 1 earth pound in space pounds
15:22:30 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no result.
15:22:42 <sbp> sux
15:23:13 <nsh> .c clues in berkspace
15:23:14 <phenny> nsh: Sorry, no result.
15:23:24 <nsh> don't apologise; is correct
15:23:27 <chandler> .c 1 pound of marmite in USD
15:23:27 <nelix> i want the .c module
15:23:27 <phenny> chandler: Sorry, no result.
15:23:41 <chandler> aw, that one should be doable
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15:26:19 <nsh> why exactly are viacom's knickers in a twist anyway?
15:26:39 <nsh> apart from the longstanding fact that they are in the business of being unnecessary and deleterious to society
15:26:44 <sbp> berkspaceberkstwistwhatnow?
15:26:51 <nsh> good point
15:26:55 <nsh> fuck
15:26:59 <nsh> em moon-deniers
15:27:31 <sbp> failure to provide moon: lose ten points
15:28:37 <nsh> A gentle introduction to YOU LOSE ALL THE POINTS AND DIE HOMELESS FROM CONSUMPTION AND DYSENTRY
15:30:55 <zachb> YAY
15:32:22 <nelix> wow gin and tonic and tomato juice is bad
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15:33:07 <Arnia> nelix: do I want to know?
15:33:12 <nsh> moar gin?
15:33:13 * Arnia is scared by the mere thought
15:33:18 <nsh> or
15:33:26 <nsh> try as an enema!
15:33:48 <nsh> you'd be surprised the number of things that are improved by enematic application
15:34:08 <nsh> the entire works of milton friedmann, for instance
15:35:02 <nsh> .ety ratiocinate
15:35:02 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "ratiocinate". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=ratiocinate
15:35:09 <nsh> YOUR MOTHER
15:35:12 <nsh> .ety ratiocination
15:35:12 <phenny> "'process of reasoning,' 1530, from L. ratiocincationem (nom. ratiocincatio) 'a reasoning,' from ratiocincatus, pp. of ratiocinare 'to calculate, deliberate,' from ratio (see ratio) + -cinari, which probably is related to conari 'to try.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=ratiocination
15:35:33 <nelix> Arnia: i thought it would be good
15:35:49 <sbp> ratiocination or enema? you decide!
15:37:48 <nsh> OED's third definition for 'ratiocination': 3. Power or habit of reasoning. /rare./
15:37:49 <nsh> awesome
15:37:59 * nsh considers visiting cafepress
15:38:49 <sbp> hehe
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15:50:28 <nsh> .ety sickly
15:50:29 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "sickly". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=sickly
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15:52:25 <jsled> Grr. Where's Morbus when I need him?
15:52:31 * jsled dances around three times.
15:53:33 <sbp> PANTIES
15:53:52 <sbp> wow, when even that doesn't work you know something must be transpiring
15:54:06 <sbp> let's take it up a notch:
15:54:08 <sbp> SLINKY THONGS
15:54:17 <nsh> SLINK TETHLON THONGATHON
15:54:24 <nsh> TEFLON, evens
15:54:25 <sbp> ouch nsh, don't take it too far
15:54:31 <sbp> we'll end up with five Morbuses
15:54:38 <sbp> though he's still not here
15:54:39 <nsh> fair point, m'lud
15:54:40 <nelix> tuflon thugs
15:54:43 <sbp> so in summary, he must be on Mars
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16:14:24 <_bjoern> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7486764.stm
16:14:25 <phenny> _bjoern: BBC NEWS | Business | London oil price hits $146 record
16:14:45 <sbp> bets on $200 pls
16:14:46 <xover> I did what now?
16:14:59 <sbp> Knuth
16:15:14 <_bjoern> He didn't knuth, I am certain of it.
16:15:23 <xover> I wouldn't do Knuth if you paid me to.
16:15:57 <_bjoern> Well, if he paid so much you'd never have to visit ´ork again?
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16:16:46 <xover> For tha kind of money I might be persuaded to Knuth, but I still wouldn't do Knuth.
16:17:18 <_bjoern> What if so much you could buy ´ork?
16:17:40 <xover> Would I have to actually buy `ork with the money?
16:17:47 <_bjoern> No.
16:17:53 <xover> Then maybe.
16:18:06 <_bjoern> See!
16:18:11 <sbp> enough money to modify your boss into some lobster-like creature (if he isn't already)
16:18:28 <xover> .c 8000000000 NOK in USD
16:18:28 <phenny> 8 000 000 000 Norwegian kroner = 1.590048 billion U.S. dollars
16:18:48 <xover> .c 8000000000 NOK per year in USD per decade
16:18:48 <phenny> 8 000 000 000 (Norwegian kroner per year) = 15 900 480 000 U.S. dollars per decade
16:18:57 <xover> Now we're talking.
16:19:14 <_bjoern> That's like, what, selling 1500 toilet seats to the army?
16:19:36 <xover> Might be enough to buy an iPhone, finally.
16:19:43 <zachb> YAY DEFECATION!
16:20:09 *** xover changed the topic to: "<zachb> YAY DEFECATION!"
16:20:17 <_bjoern> Including a free battery replacement, and surprising auto mail fetch in foreign country fees.
16:20:20 <zachb> I had a feeling that'd happen
16:20:50 <sbp> no other eventuation could have eventuated
16:20:52 <_bjoern> I would like to make food, but cannot open the oil
16:21:00 <sbp> knife it
16:21:19 <xover> Yeah, stab that bitch right in the cap!
16:21:28 <xover> Pop a cap in, uhm, the cap!
16:21:31 <_bjoern> my psychiatrist says I should not run around stabbing things.
16:21:42 <xover> No runnig with sharp objects!
16:21:54 <_bjoern> FUCK KINDERSICHERUNG, EY.
16:22:08 <xover> It's much easier to hit when you're both standing still anyways.
16:22:14 <_bjoern> it's from .be
16:22:52 <sbp> your psychiatrist is just trying to make more money
16:22:58 <sbp> by getting you not to stab him
16:23:53 <_bjoern> HAHA Germany 1:0 Belgium
16:24:03 <sbp> in what pls
16:24:42 <xover> HA HA! Allies 2 : Axis 0!
16:24:47 <nslater> Jibbler: http://code.google.com/p/ratproxy/
16:24:48 <sbp> ahahaha
16:24:58 <nslater> [[[
16:24:59 <nslater> A semi-automated, largely passive web application security audit tool, optimized for an accurate and sensitive detection, and automatic annotation, of potential problems and security-relevant design patterns based on the observation of existing, user-initiated traffic in complex web 2.0 environments.
16:25:05 <nslater> ]]]
16:25:15 <sbp> though I think Germany won in that WWI football match on Christmas day
16:25:35 <xover> Don't make me quote Lehrer at you!
16:25:40 <sbp> do, do!
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16:25:42 <Monty2> it's andersfeder!
16:25:46 * nsh concurs
16:26:05 <nsh> (concurs that xover should quote that-made-up-guy, not that it's anderfeder!)
16:26:23 <xover> «We thought them a lesson in 1918, and they've harldy bothered us since then.»
16:26:39 <jsled> .ety aftermath
16:26:39 <phenny> "1523, originally a second crop of grass grown after the first had been harvested." - http://etymonline.com/?term=aftermath
16:26:46 <xover> Note that written in the fifties.
16:27:09 <_bjoern> SBP PLZ CHECK ORIGIN OF OIL BOTTLE IN LOGS
16:27:18 <Arnia> It isn't andersfeder?
16:27:21 <sbp> xover: awesome
16:27:23 * Arnia looks confused
16:27:25 <sbp> _bjoern: K
16:27:43 * Arnia pushes nsh into a stream terminated with the null-op transducer
16:27:49 <_bjoern> SBP: JUST ~4 lines above
16:28:40 <nsh> Arn1a, does that mean i can capacitate the fluxes now?
16:28:44 <Arn1a> just the letter, branded onto the backbone. and no, no one i described before is that it ran the world? monty is stalking you.
16:28:45 <Monty2> swhack
16:28:58 * _bjoern pats Monty2
16:28:58 <Monty2> man I looked at Mc Donalds while she looks good cult to bear on a circumstance in three elbow triumvirate phenny module pls? now watching a cap in, uhm, the old one feature
16:29:01 <sbp> ah! I see now
16:29:03 <sbp> this is the match
16:29:07 <_bjoern> YES
16:29:14 <nsh> that's some mighty lackluster cheerleading there, Monty2
16:29:15 <sbp> I just never suspected you to be a Belgian oil user, that is all
16:29:16 <Monty2> I reckon hamburger + avalanche = spheres.
16:29:40 <sbp> I didn't even know they had oil there
16:29:47 <sbp> if you ask me, there's something fishy about it
16:29:56 <nsh> it's made from chocolate and moustaches
16:30:01 <sbp> hehe
16:30:04 <sbp> and fish ova
16:30:19 <nsh> [there's] never enough fish ova
16:31:02 <sbp> yo Arnia
16:32:37 <Arnia> You sbp
16:33:56 <sbp> ME
16:34:09 <sbp> \㋡/
16:34:45 <sbp> 2007-07-05 10:32:24 <bjoern_> "Australian Defence Minister Brendan Nelson has admitted that securing oil supplies is a key factor behind the presence of Australian troops in Iraq." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6272168.stm
16:36:11 <_bjoern> Look behind you, a three-headed terrorist!
16:36:21 <sbp> ㋡㋡㋡
16:37:42 <sbp> 01:11:49 <deltab> _b
