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00:12:22 <Morbus> thelsdj: Nodiatis? nope, never heard of it.
00:13:05 <Morbus> ha, ha. bondage on the first screen.
00:13:06 <Morbus> looks great.
00:13:07 <Morbus> <g>
00:14:16 <Morbus> too bad there's not more useful intro to the game crap.
00:14:18 <Morbus> i know nothing baout it.
00:15:34 <Morbus> ah, here are some screens.
00:15:35 <Morbus> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2851004
00:16:03 <Morbus> doesn't look like something i'd get into immediately.
00:16:06 <thelsdj> its kinda teh sucks, or just not my cup of tea
00:16:15 <Morbus> i'd more just try to click on the front bondage boobs.
00:16:21 <thelsdj> too much repetitive clicking and dragging
00:16:43 <thelsdj> you have to manually loot a ton of stuff, and you can only click so fast
00:16:51 <thelsdj> (ie you have to wait a second between every action)
00:29:33 <chandler> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rabbit_shopes_papilloma_virus_3.jpg
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03:16:23 <Arnia> Didn't realise dual numbers were this powerful:
03:16:29 <Arnia> .title http://vandreev.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/non-standard-analysis-and-automatic-differentiation/
03:16:31 <phenny> Arnia: Non-standard analysis, automatic differentiation, Haskell, and other stories. « codeland
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03:43:28 <zachb> .u degree
03:43:29 <phenny> U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN (°)
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03:54:36 <Monty2> it's ja!
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08:30:15 <Monty2> hi nsh, how ya doing?
08:32:25 <nsh> Monty2, precessionally
08:32:28 <Monty2> I reckon jabberclackers + merchants = dancing USB!
08:33:16 <cre8radix> ahoi
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09:12:05 <sbp> yo
09:12:05 <phenny> sbp: 07 Jul 22:38Z <_bjoern> ask sbp How did you get past my sumo NINJAs?
09:12:06 <phenny> sbp: 07 Jul 22:38Z <_bjoern> ask sbp (OMG!)
09:14:53 <nslater> hey sbp
09:15:19 <sbp> phenny: tell nsh nah, that's .dict
09:15:20 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nsh is around.
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09:19:00 <sbp> phenny: tell _bjoern kk, got, thx!
09:19:00 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when _bjoern is around.
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09:22:13 <phenny> _bjoern: 09:19Z <sbp> tell _bjoern kk, got, thx!
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09:41:13 <Arnia> Haha
09:41:16 <Arnia> .title http://customerforum.o2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2827
09:41:18 <phenny> Arnia: O2 Customer :: View topic - If there is a new Iphone after October can we sue them?
09:44:48 <nsh> .gs malicious *
09:44:49 <phenny> nsh: 09:15Z <sbp> tell nsh nah, that's .dict
09:44:51 <phenny> malicious *: intent (11), mischief (6), wounding (4), sites (4), hackers (4), code (4), software (3), recordings (3), mike (3), gossip (3), files (3), fiend (3)
09:45:02 <nsh> phenny, tell sbp he's .dict
09:45:02 <phenny> nsh: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
09:45:22 <nsh> malicious mike sounds like he might have animated adventures
09:45:29 <nsh> .g "malicious mike"
09:45:29 <phenny> nsh: http://www.maliciousrecordings.com/onlinestore.htm
09:45:49 <nsh> oh no, he's just some twerp trying to sell me bunkem
09:47:39 <nsh> .title http://www.euronet.nl/users/jdewilde/
09:47:40 <phenny> nsh: Balloon Pages on the World Wide Web
09:47:47 <nsh> that's a hell of a lot of pages to do with hot air balloons
09:49:02 <sbp> man that was lolatasticriffic
09:49:03 <phenny> sbp: 09:45Z <nsh> tell sbp he's .dict
09:49:29 <nsh> tell it to the judge mang
09:50:11 <nsh> balloon links killed my spirefox!
09:50:37 <nsh> .gc lyrefox
09:50:38 <phenny> lyrefox: 0
09:50:41 <nsh> .gc spirefox
09:50:41 <phenny> spirefox: 132
09:50:48 <nsh> .gc denierfox
09:50:48 <phenny> denierfox: 0
09:50:54 <nsh> .gc desirefox
09:50:55 <phenny> desirefox: 159
09:51:00 <nsh> .gc liarfox
09:51:01 <phenny> liarfox: 132
09:51:12 <nsh> .gc tyrefox
09:51:13 <phenny> tyrefox: 12
09:51:28 <nsh> .gc buyerfox
09:51:29 <phenny> buyerfox: 93
09:51:51 <nsh> .gc mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
09:51:52 <phenny> mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon: 43
09:51:59 <nsh> .gc moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
09:51:59 <phenny> moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon: 3
09:52:03 <nsh> .gc mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
09:52:03 <phenny> mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon: 0
09:52:08 <nsh> .gc moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
09:52:08 <phenny> moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon: 0
09:52:11 <nsh> .gc moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
09:52:12 <phenny> moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon: 0
09:52:16 <nsh> .gc moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
09:52:16 <phenny> moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon: 2
09:52:19 <nsh> .gc moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo0n
09:52:19 <phenny> moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo0n: 0
09:52:22 <nsh> .gc mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
09:52:23 <phenny> mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon: 34
09:52:26 <nsh> .gc moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
09:52:26 <phenny> moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon: 1
09:52:30 <nsh> .gc mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
09:52:31 <phenny> mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon: 0
09:52:34 <nsh> .g moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
09:52:34 <phenny> nsh: http://boards.ign.com/basketball/b5109/163824044/r163839883/
10:00:36 <sbp> .gc "moonish moon"
10:01:12 <Arnia> .gc "marsish mars"
10:01:18 <phenny> "moonish moon": 13
10:01:19 <phenny> "marsish mars": 0
10:01:50 <_bjoern> .gc "plutonic pluto"
10:01:50 <phenny> "plutonic pluto": 111
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10:07:54 <sbp> .gc "mannish boy"
10:07:55 <phenny> "mannish boy": 211,000
10:11:10 <sbp> chuckle. there's a book on Amazon that I want
10:11:13 <sbp> only available second hand
10:11:16 <sbp> one copy costs £2.55
10:11:22 <sbp> the other, £49.50
10:11:27 <sbp> those are the only two copies for sale
10:13:01 <Jibbler> get the expensive one - it must be better!
10:15:21 <sbp> heh, heh
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10:19:41 <nsh> .ety delinquency
10:19:42 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "delinquency". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=delinquency
10:19:51 <nsh> .ety delinquent
10:19:52 <phenny> "1484, from L. delinquentum (nom. delinquens), prp. of delinquere, from de- 'completely' + linquere 'to leave' (see relinquish)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=delinquent
10:19:59 <nsh> .ety relinquish
10:20:00 <phenny> "1472, from M.Fr. relinquiss-, prp. stem of relinquir (12c.), from L. relinquere 'leave behind, forsake, abandon, give up,' from re- 'back' + linquere 'to leave,' from PIE *linkw-, from base *leikw- 'to leave behind' (cf. Skt. reknas 'inheritance, wealth,' rinakti [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=relinquish
10:20:17 <nslater> okay, I have been tafting and I've ended up on a film who's wikipedia synopsis is "tells the story of a group of intergalactic homosexual black men from the planet "Anus" who discover the presence of female creatures on planet Earth."
10:20:43 * nslater gives up and gets back to work
10:20:57 <sbp> heh, you reached the last page on Wikipedia
10:21:07 <nslater> yeah, I think so :p
10:21:19 <sbp> .g "homosexual black men from the planet Anus"
10:21:20 <phenny> sbp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayniggers_from_Outer_Space
10:21:25 <nsh> This will mark our city for God, he said. If this doesnt work nothing else will work. But if we get it right, everything will fall into place.
10:21:25 <nsh> Eventually, Riggle would like crosses at every entrance to Houston.
10:21:32 <nsh> -- http://www.hcnonline.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=19819846&BRD=1574&PAG=461&dept_id=532207&rfi=8
10:21:46 <nsh> styuped
10:22:10 <nsh> surround the city with large tower fulls of people with *cross*bows, not large crosses
10:22:17 <nsh> wtf good are they gonna do?!
10:23:01 <nsh> !!Each cross will have an elevated prayer center that groups can use.!!
10:23:53 <nsh> [[[
10:23:53 <nsh> Riggle is no stranger to adversity.
10:23:54 <nsh> Prior to starting Grace, he and wife Becky were missionaries in the Phillippines. While ministering to inmates in prison, they were taken hostage. Holding threatening knives against the Riggles bodies, the prisoners attempted to escape in a bus with their hostages. The guards opened fire. Both Riggles were stabbed several times and were fortunate to get out alive. All the escaping prisoners were killed in a hail of bullets. Becky Riggle was hospitalized in se
10:24:01 <nsh> ]]] -ibid
10:24:41 <nsh> praying for people: not guaranteed to prevent you causing their violent bullety death
10:28:57 <_bjoern> I wish I was camping without realizing it.
10:31:06 * nsh wishes he was Boxer-Rebellioning without realising it
10:50:49 <_bjoern> .title http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/07/BAN011LDR8.DTL
10:50:50 <phenny> _bjoern: Wife-killer leads cops to body in deal with D.A. / Hans Reiser seeks a reduced sentence - remains in Oakland hills not yet identified
10:54:05 <nslater> I think it's sick that he can get a lighter sentence for doing that
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11:03:20 <Monty2> it's idickinson!
11:05:27 <Arnia> Heh... I've just been promoted
11:06:06 <Arnia> Just received an email from a journal I'm doing a paper for with the salutation of 'Dear Dr Geldart'
11:06:09 <Arnia> I wish...
11:06:55 <nslater> congrats Arnia :p
11:07:19 <Arnia> It is an embarrassment more than anything else
11:07:33 * Arnia pleads for it not to rain
11:08:04 <Arnia> I have to walk a mile and half and back in a few minutes. I don't want it to rain whilst I'm travelling
11:08:13 <nslater> take a brolly!
11:08:31 <Arnia> Doesn't matter... still get soaked. Rain rarely falls straight down :p
11:08:44 <Arnia> In Durham it often seems to prefer horizontal
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11:14:23 <sbp> [[[
11:14:23 <sbp> The uprising began as an anti-foreign, anti-imperialist peasant-based movement in northern China. They attacked foreigners who were building railroads and violating Feng shui, as well as Christians, who were held responsible for the foreign domination of China.
11:14:28 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion
11:14:52 <nslater> violating feng shui, harsh
11:17:52 <sbp> the things foreigners do
11:22:20 <_bjoern> hmm GB18030 has no "!"?
11:22:37 <sbp> useless character
11:22:50 <sbp> you can just go EXCLAMATION MARK insteadEXCLAMATION MARK
11:23:05 <sbp> or E for shortE
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11:28:45 <_bjoern> .u f w e m
11:28:48 <phenny> _bjoern: Sorry, no results for 'f w e m'.
11:29:30 <_bjoern> for a moment I was a bit shocked and wondered where all the characters went
11:29:45 <_bjoern> then I saw I was only looking at the win1252 subset in charmap
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11:29:56 <_bjoern> ff01
11:29:57 <sbp> .gc "f u n e m"
11:29:58 <phenny> "f u n e m": 59,400
11:30:14 <_bjoern> nope doesn't do ff01 either
11:30:16 <_bjoern> .u ff01
11:30:17 <phenny> U+FF01 FULLWIDTH EXCLAMATION MARK (！)
11:30:56 <sbp> .gc "v f m"
11:30:57 <phenny> "v f m": 2,630,000
11:30:59 <nsh> .ety peevish
11:31:00 <phenny> "1393, peyvesshe 'perverse, capricious, silly,' of uncertain origin, possibly modeled on L. perversus 'reversed, perverse,' pp. of pervertere 'to turn about' (see pervert)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=peevish
11:31:11 <nsh> .dict peevish
11:31:12 <phenny> peevish - 1. irritable
11:31:27 <sbp> you are as one whom is a turner abouter!
11:32:01 <_bjoern> 0021 0061 0060 005E 007C 005B 221A 2019 2500 2026 03C0 02C7 0131 4E07 2015 203E B2D6 is my latest sequence btw
11:32:22 <_bjoern> ! a ` ^ | [ √ \rquote ─ … π ˇ ı 万 ― ‾ 닖
11:32:55 <nsh> .w solecistic
11:32:56 <phenny> I couldn't find 'solecistic' in WordNet.
11:33:02 <nsh> .gd solecistic
11:33:03 <phenny> solecistic: No definition found!
11:33:15 <nsh> .dict solecistic
11:33:16 <phenny> nsh: Sorry, no definition found.
11:33:19 <nsh> hrmm
11:33:25 <nsh> .wik Solecism
11:33:26 <phenny> "In prescriptive linguistics, a solecism is a grammatical mistake or absurdity." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solecism
11:33:41 <nsh> .ety solecism
11:33:41 <phenny> "1577, from M.Fr. solécisme, from L. soloecismus 'mistake in speaking or writing,' from Gk. soloikismos 'to speak (Greek) incorrectly,' from soloikos 'ungrammatical utterance,' prop. 'a speaking like the people of Soloi,' from Soloi, Athenian colony in Cilicia, whose [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=solecism
11:34:02 * nsh smiles
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11:34:42 <nsh> From Fronto I learned to observe what envy, and duplicity, and hypocrisy are in a tyrant, and that generally those among us who are called Patricians are rather deficient in paternal affection.
11:35:49 <sbp> nu
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11:38:40 <sbp> .u 닖
11:38:41 <phenny> U+B2D6 HANGUL SYLLABLE NILP (닖)
11:38:43 <sbp> NILP
11:41:42 <_bjoern> This is how it entered the list:
11:41:44 <_bjoern> Debug: Round 17, # of rows left: 42644
11:41:44 <_bjoern> --- top 20 ---
11:41:44 <_bjoern> 45782|2|2.0
11:41:44 <_bjoern> Debug: -------- new code point: 45782
11:41:44 <_bjoern> Debug: ### of eliminated pairs: 2
11:41:45 <_bjoern> ks_c_5601-1987|x-mac-korean|A != B
11:41:47 <_bjoern> x-mac-korean|ks_c_5601-1987|A != B
11:41:49 <_bjoern> Debug: Round 18, # of rows left: 26104
11:42:01 <_bjoern> meaning, x-mac-korean and ks_c_5601-1987 encode it but do so differently
11:42:14 <_bjoern> and the two encode none of the preceding ones differently
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11:56:12 <nsh> .gs i came here for *
11:56:14 <phenny> i came here for *: blood test (3), uh (2), timepass (2), studying (2), safety (2), roomthirteen (2), protection (2), nudes (2), nothing else (2), casual meal (2)
11:56:25 <nsh> .gs we came to *
11:56:26 <phenny> we came to *: remember (3), dance (3), clovenford (3), bangout (3), anchor (3), wreck (2), walcot (2), understand (2), troas (2), the (2), rome (2), realise (2)
11:57:14 <_bjoern> Hello melbel
11:58:35 <melbel> how is the unique testing codey thingy going?
12:00:52 <_bjoern> I think I'm largely done, there is only one problem I know about
12:00:58 <_bjoern> I posted the latest result earlier
12:01:16 <_bjoern> 0021 0061 0060 005E 007C 005B 221A 2019 2500 2026 03C0 02C7 0131 4E07 2015 203E B2D6 (! a ` ^ | [ √ \rquote ─ … π ˇ ı 万 ― ‾ 닖)
12:01:43 <melbel> so those squiggles are the most unique?
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12:02:00 <_bjoern> The logic is this:
12:03:57 <_bjoern> 1. find the code point that is a) encodable by the most active encodings b) has the most representations among them c) has the lowest code point value
12:04:23 <melbel> k, I think
12:05:20 <_bjoern> 2. If 1. does not yield a code point, find the one that tells two or more encodings apart that still need to be told apart and is encodable by the most encodings (among them lower code point values score higher as above)
12:06:23 <_bjoern> 3. remove all the pairings that the chosen code point tells apart, and start over until no more code points can be found
12:07:43 <melbel> maybe I should go find out what a code point is, I'm sure it will make tons of sense after that
12:08:16 <_bjoern> In unicode every character has an associated number, "!" is 33 for example
12:08:23 <_bjoern> you can read code point as "character"
12:08:48 <_bjoern> In the first round there is a list of candidates
12:08:50 <_bjoern> 33|108|6172.0
12:08:50 <_bjoern> 37|108|5536.0
12:08:50 <_bjoern> 38|108|5536.0
12:08:50 <_bjoern> 42|108|5536.0
12:08:50 <_bjoern> 43|108|5536.0
12:08:51 <_bjoern> ...
12:09:15 <melbel> O.O
12:09:42 <nsh> n5h, is there anything more boring than character encodings?
12:09:42 <_bjoern> meaning character 33 can be encoded by 108 encodings, and is encoded differently by N encodings
12:09:42 <n5h> has idea.
12:09:49 <nsh> n5h, please go on
12:09:50 <n5h> well shitrude.. someone signed me up for his services to the root window. that'd be fun.
12:11:25 <melbel> yeah, I got lost after that point, I think I know what you're doing though
12:11:32 <melbel> [:
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12:28:05 <nslater> .gc "Liberalism is a mental disorder"
12:28:06 <phenny> "Liberalism is a mental disorder": 102,000
12:28:14 <nslater> .g "Liberalism is a mental disorder"
12:28:14 <phenny> nslater: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_Is_a_Mental_Disorder
12:28:18 <nslater> what
12:30:49 <nslater> .title http://www.libertymind.com/
12:30:49 <phenny> nslater: The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD
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12:31:20 <nslater> "This book is the first systematic analysis of the political madness that now threatens to destroy history’s greatest achievement: the American dream of civilized liberty."
12:31:30 <nslater> ahahahahahah ah haha ah hahaha ahhaha haha ha
12:32:44 <nslater> "Modern liberalism’s irrationality can only be understood as the product of psychopathology. So extravagant are the patterns of thinking, emoting, behaving and relating that characterize the liberal mind that its relentless protests and demands become understandable only as disorders of the psyche."
12:33:04 <nslater> this is amazing
12:34:15 <sbp> well, it may be right to some degree
12:34:25 <nslater> pls explain
12:34:28 <sbp> but it's over a century out of kilter with contemporary philosophical thought
12:34:42 <nslater> which bit may be true?
12:35:22 <sbp> there's the idea that individualism and creativity is antithetical to good society: it leaves states open to crumble, be invaded, get too traditionally minded and so on
12:35:52 <nslater> how are individualism and creativity tied exclusively to liberalism?
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12:36:32 <sbp> well liberalism, modern liberalism starting in the 19th/20th centuries, is the attempt to allow for creativity and individualism in such a way that is tempered to prevent collapse of society
12:36:36 <nslater> and why shoul behvaiour that doesn't promot "good society" (whatever that means) be considered a disorder?
12:36:56 <sbp> well, how else do you define madness?
12:37:28 <nslater> I don't know, how do you defined "good society"? (I'm sure if varies who you ask and where abouts in the world you ask)
12:37:33 <sbp> if everybody had an imaginary friend called Dave Tombleton, a fluffy green superrabbit, nobody would think that to be mad
12:38:07 <sbp> it's relative to what the consensus believes to be "mad"
12:38:23 <sbp> to an extent. not sure how far an extent...
12:39:18 <sbp> also there are things to consider such as suffrage and mass hysteria
12:39:36 <sbp> where the consensus is later judged to be wrong, leaving everybody scratching their heads
12:39:50 <nslater> okay, well my take on it is that a "disorder" is something a medical condition not present in the average human
12:39:59 <clsn> "The majority is always sane," as the saying goes. But that is not about a functioning society, only relative amounts of people.
12:40:38 <nslater> so saying that liberalism is a medical condition seems a bit wrong to me
12:40:42 <clsn> Once you say "average human" you're back to majority being sane.
12:41:05 <nslater> no, im talking about samples of population, for example, the avg human has one head, not two
12:41:06 <clsn> It sounds to me like his claim is not that liberalism is "atypical" but that it is aberrant in a more objective sense.
12:41:14 <nslater> if you were born with two, I could call that a disorder
12:41:28 <clsn> Exactly! And if everyone had two, that wouldn't be a disorder.
12:41:37 <clsn> And if everyone had an imaginary rabbit friend, neither would that.
12:41:48 <clsn> I don't think the population samples are what the author is really getting at.
12:42:10 <sbp> well the author is almost certainly biased by the conservative milieu in which he writes
12:42:12 <sbp> but duh
12:42:13 <nslater> I think disorder caries more emotion that that, would you argue that homosexuality is a disorder?
12:42:23 <nslater> ... I certainly wouldnt, but by your reasoning you could
12:42:36 <clsn> sbp: yes, duh. So you probably should read his article in that light.
12:42:45 <sbp> well, you could class it as a disorder
12:42:51 <sbp> what would it mean to class it as a disorder?
12:42:56 <nslater> disorder is non-value-neutral
12:42:57 <clsn> nslater: I'm trying to explicate YOUR reasoning, with your "average human" line.
12:43:18 <nslater> disorder implies "wrongness"
12:43:27 <sbp> okay, so something that ought to be fixed
12:43:28 <clsn> Homosexuality has been classed as a disorder from time to time. Not necessarily with cause.
12:43:29 <nslater> it carries an ethical judgement
12:43:32 <sbp> why should homosexuality be fixed?
12:43:33 <clsn> Exactly.
12:43:50 <sbp> what is the conservative reasoning that homosexuality ought to be fixed, if you like
12:44:17 <clsn> Once you say "disorder", especially as this author is using it, he's imposing a different kind of judgement than "average human" numbers.
12:44:45 <clsn> To him, whatever it is he's calling "liberalism" is somehow wrong in a more objective sense than simply being minority.
12:44:58 <sbp> yes, but that's so obvious that I was thinking past that
12:45:22 <sbp> I mean, ignoring his bias, does he have a point? wherefrom would he have derived that point? etc.
12:45:24 <clsn> Yes, but nslater hadn't quite, so we were still getting that straight.
12:45:28 <sbp> hehe
12:45:59 <nslater> so what he's really saying is that liberalism is uncommon?
12:46:00 <sbp> .gc site:swhack.com "liberal media conspiracy"
12:46:01 <phenny> site:swhack.com "liberal media conspiracy": 1
12:46:09 <clsn> sbp: from the title, and blurb, it sounds too frothy to have much content. But then I haven't read the book.
12:46:25 <sbp> no, he's (probably, I haven't read anyting about this yet) saying that liberalism is objectively wrong and has to be fixed
12:46:31 <clsn> nslater: Try reading what I said again, and maybe you'll understand it as I said it, and not as the opposite of what I said.
12:47:03 * nslater runs away
12:47:24 <clsn> <clsn> To him, whatever it is he's calling "liberalism" is somehow wrong in a more objective sense than simply being minority.
12:47:31 <sbp> so if you chip open the rock of objectivism with the hammer of relativism...
12:47:44 <clsn> i.e. the author is criticizing "liberalism" for more than being simply minority.
12:48:02 <sbp> or, rather, to him the fact that it is a minority is second place
12:48:07 <sbp> just an effect of it being objectively wrong
12:48:35 <clsn> I'm not such a relativist as Arnia; maybe objectivism has something to it. Or more precisely, I'm not so sure of myself to be so certain of relativism.
12:48:37 <sbp> just like the cause of man sinning is the Fall in the Garden of Eden
12:48:52 <sbp> what's to be certain of? it's not an either/or proposition
12:49:00 <sbp> it's just a tool of understanding
12:49:10 <sbp> doesn't stop objectivist models from being useful
12:49:10 <clsn> Good, so long as I can use them both like that.
12:49:42 <sbp> relativism can be useful, I find, when an objectivist model is jarring somewhere... so you can step towards the relativistic side to think about what might be going on there
12:49:51 <sbp> and it might even help you to form a different objectivist-oriented model
12:49:58 <clsn> Anyway, it's semi-silly to be discussing this loony's points when we both can't be bothered to read what he actually said...
12:50:04 <sbp> yeah, hehe
12:50:20 <sbp> but I think it shows how widespread this sort of lunacy is in our joyous modern culture
12:50:35 <sbp> we can just abstract and predict the sort of craziness from a million other sighful examples
12:50:41 <sbp> which is kinda a bummer
12:50:44 <clsn> The same modern culture he is criticizing.
12:50:48 <sbp> chuckle
12:51:00 <sbp> wake up and smell the mad
12:51:26 <clsn> Welcome to the 21st century.
12:52:16 <sbp> hmm
12:52:21 <sbp> we should characterise all the centuries
12:52:35 <Morbus> 18th: mMM, corsets.
12:52:41 <clsn> Or caricature them. Almost as fun.
12:52:43 <sbp> 8,981,819,873,873rd century BC: The Quiet Century
12:54:24 <clsn> (damn noisy protists...)
12:54:40 <sbp> .dict protist
12:54:41 * clsn wonders... ohpleaseohplease let there be a protistant church....
12:54:42 <phenny> protist - 1. bacterium or related organism
12:54:51 <sbp> .gc "protistant church"
12:54:52 <phenny> "protistant church": 136
12:54:55 <sbp> yep
12:55:08 <clsn> phenny needs a .whois module.
12:55:47 <clsn> protistantchurch.com seems to be available; protistant.com is on sale for $9000...
12:55:55 <clsn> .g "protistant church"
12:55:57 <phenny> clsn: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080606143018AASNm3C
12:56:00 <clsn> .title
12:56:02 <phenny> clsn: Where are the Monks of the protistant church? - Yahoo! Answers
12:56:07 <clsn> Feh. Mispelling.
12:56:43 <sbp> .gc "all protestants are monks!"
12:56:45 <phenny> "all protestants are monks!": 0
12:56:54 <sbp> .gs all protestants are *
12:56:55 <phenny> all protestants are *: heretics (6), lutheran (2), lumped (2), hypocritical asses (2), evangelicals (2), different (2), descended (2), crypto-papists (2), catholics (2)
12:57:01 <sbp> ...
12:57:16 <clsn> The right group of crazies (present company included, indeed emphasized) could probably make a hilarious Protistant Church website.
12:57:46 <sbp> what's our primary doctrine?
12:58:20 <clsn> Right. Let's work with this. Hmm. Praise of bacteria? Too simple. Protists are the highest, most angelic form of life?
12:58:33 <clsn> God himself is a big protist, as He lacks a well-defined nucleus?
12:58:57 <clsn> .wik protist
12:58:58 <phenny> "Protists (IPA: /ˈproʊtɨst/), are a diverse group of eukaryotic organisms that are generally microscopic." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protist
12:59:25 <clsn> Oh, they're eukaryotes? Hrm, we have to get our definitions right...
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13:01:12 <clsn> SOunds like there's a certain amount of flux in the definitions; we'll get to decide on some of them ourselves.
13:02:22 <sbp> ”The presence of a nucleus gives these organisms their name, which comes from the Greek ευ, meaning "good/true", and κάρυον, "nut".”
13:02:30 <sbp> .gcs goodnut truenut
13:02:33 <phenny> goodnut (391), truenut (66)
13:02:43 <sbp> the nucleus is the one true nut
13:02:45 <clsn> Right; I thought protists didn't have nuclei. Oops.
13:03:04 <clsn> I thought the One True Nuts were out there running countries.
13:03:08 <sbp> oh, this is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eukaryote not Protist
13:03:20 <sbp> I was just looking for satirical fuel
13:03:37 <sbp> alright. so we're decided that all world leaders are protistants?
13:03:52 <sbp> seems a pretty simple proof
13:04:04 <sbp> actually wait
13:04:10 <sbp> we can use this to prove the whole world is protistant
13:04:19 <sbp> because only protistants believe in the One True Nut, right?
13:04:31 <sbp> and the One True Nuts are out there running countries
13:04:43 <sbp> which power they generally got through the people, now that democracy is so trendy
13:04:49 <sbp> therefore, the people believe in the One True Nuts
13:04:53 <sbp> and are therefore protistants
13:05:18 <clsn> Hmm... well, animals and plants are also eukaryotes. Ah, but protists are the most "basic" ones.
13:06:44 <clsn> Maybe something more specific... "God the Bacterium".... The belief that God lives in everything and is responsible for decay...?
13:07:55 <clsn> .gc "God the bacterium"
13:07:56 <phenny> "God the bacterium": 0
13:08:58 <sbp> ooh, algae
13:11:16 <clsn> Bacteria aren't protists; they aren't eukaryotes.
13:11:31 <clsn> OK, algae... (mm, algae... making me hungry)
13:11:58 <sbp> yeah, I want some edible algae on toast now
13:12:02 <sbp> wonder what that would be like
13:12:09 <sbp> hmm, now I want seaweed
13:12:15 <sbp> a very complex and tasty organism
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13:19:30 <nsh> .gc "for whom the bell curves"
13:19:30 <phenny> "for whom the bell curves": 644
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13:20:30 <Monty2> it's JibberJim!
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13:27:18 <procto> sbp: you want some spirulina? I'm thinking of growing some
13:27:29 <procto> pretty much the mest nutritious thing in existence, they are
13:27:33 <procto> most*
13:28:19 <sbp> are they tasty yum?
13:31:03 <clsn> "The Aztecs called it Teocuitlatl, meaning stone's excrement." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirulina_(dietary_supplement)
13:33:01 * nsh laughs:
13:33:03 <nsh> [[[
13:33:03 <nsh> Edward de Bono is a prolific originator of ideas, only a few of which are listed here.
13:33:03 <nsh> * In 2000 he advised a U.K Foreign Office committee that the Arab-Israeli conflict might be due, in part, to low levels of zinc found in people who eat unleavened bread, a known side-effect of which is aggression. He suggested shipping out jars of Marmite to compensate. [5]
13:33:09 <nsh> ]]] -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_de_Bono
13:33:31 <nsh> suddenly it all makes sense!
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13:35:02 <nsh> NOOEAS
13:35:57 <clsn> Zinc! Of course! That's the answer!
13:38:09 <bjoern_> .u ı
13:38:10 <phenny> U+0131 LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I (ı)
13:38:10 <Monty2> "you"
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13:39:45 <bjoern_> .c 0x131 in decimal
13:39:46 <phenny> 0x131 = 305
13:40:45 <nsh> edward de bono, seems a little bit like that other guy
13:42:12 <nsh> <nsh> this clay guy seems like the type who says obvious things reasonably eloquently and so gets hailed as a genius by those to whom the obvious isn't
13:42:24 <sbp> and Brian Eno
13:43:05 <nsh> did he play drums for some band?
13:43:07 <sbp> I think de Bono and Eno should adopt a son
13:43:20 <sbp> and call him Eduardo de Bono Eno
13:43:29 <sbp> er, yeah, might've done
13:43:30 <nsh> for reals
13:43:35 <nsh> and then train the son to kill bono from u2
13:43:40 <sbp> hehe
13:44:14 <nsh> eno's the spore music algorithmisiser, right?
13:44:23 <sbp> yeah, I think so, sadly
13:44:50 <sbp> can't stand eno's music. soooo bland
13:45:06 <nsh> hmm, no mention of spore in eno's wp article. may is be i remember themis
13:45:18 <sbp> try eno in spore?
13:45:43 <nsh> aye, it says the it
13:45:49 <nsh> someone should add to eno's page
13:46:06 <nsh> someone being a plebtwerp from yayspace that gives turns
13:46:11 <nsh> *turbs
13:46:18 <Arnia> turps?
13:46:33 <nsh> yayspace is where people get excited over thiskindastuff
13:46:39 <nsh> turps is the gift that keeps on giving!
13:46:41 * Arnia pours turpentine on nsh's caterwauls
13:46:43 <sbp> yayspace powers the technobunkum?
13:46:44 <nsh> or thinning
13:46:45 <nsh> i forget
13:46:54 <nsh> unfortunately, i believe so, sbp
13:47:17 <nsh> yayspace powers the technobukum to try and garner coinities from berkspace
13:47:27 <sbp> ooh
13:48:41 * Arnia looks nonplussed
13:48:56 * nsh listens to some band called the ting tings
13:49:00 <nsh> also nonplussed
13:49:24 <nsh> apparantly, they are very popular on this innarswamp
13:49:42 <nsh> just sound like annoying girls, like all annoying-girl-orientated music
13:50:17 <nsh> in fact, almost exactly like bikini kill, another annoying-girl genre band that somehow wormed itself onto my ipod
13:50:20 <sbp> like that "shuh up an let me go" song on the iTunes advert
13:50:35 <nsh> sounds bout right
13:50:45 <nsh> iTunes is the not usedbynsh
13:50:58 <nsh> which is why i have had the same songs since christmass
13:51:19 <nsh> pluss extras essess
13:53:50 * Arnia looks at London properties with fear and trepidation
13:53:58 <procto> I think annoying-girl is way too broad a welm
13:54:03 <procto> term, even
13:54:26 * nsh wishes there was a Remove And->Remove torrent + Data + NEVER DOWNLOAD ANYTHING LIKE THIS AGAIN
13:54:28 <nsh> option
13:54:35 <procto> sometimes I actually like Riot Grrl
13:54:47 <nsh> well, i was referring to the particular style of singing
13:54:51 <procto> then there's bands like all girl summer fun band
13:54:58 <procto> which is sort of annoying-girl
13:55:05 <procto> has similar singing style
13:55:09 <procto> but is not riot grrl
13:55:37 <procto> I think you should create an ontology
13:55:41 <procto> in OWL
13:56:03 <nsh> i'd rather examine unicode charts
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13:56:26 <nsh> now, if i could take all the singers
13:56:33 <nsh> and arrange them, naked, into the shape of a giant owl
13:56:40 <nsh> (with spray-paint colouring)
13:56:55 <nsh> as an art-attack piece
13:57:10 <nsh> then we have a deal
13:57:15 <procto> hehe
13:57:17 <nsh> and the cabbages will be return unhurt
13:57:40 <nsh> .gc returnt
13:57:41 <phenny> returnt: 17,200
13:58:07 <sbp> singers, owl: ahahaha
13:58:24 <nsh> can we do it?PLSPLSPLS
13:58:31 <sbp> well you have my permission
13:58:38 <sbp> but you might need some additional permissions
13:58:45 <nsh> but
13:58:52 <nsh> sbp has universal permission-granting ability
13:59:01 <nsh> i read it in the swhack mang-page
13:59:26 <sbp> sweet!
13:59:50 <sbp> .gc Swhackling
13:59:51 <phenny> Swhackling: 0
13:59:52 <sbp> .gc Swhacklings
13:59:52 <phenny> Swhacklings: 1
13:59:57 <sbp> .g Swhacklings
13:59:57 <phenny> sbp: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-02-20
14:00:27 <sbp> 02:09:03 <sbp> gc + s. googlecount + s. googlecounts
14:00:27 <sbp> 02:09:22 <_bjoern> Yeah, you'll be typing that a lot to fresh swhacklings.
14:01:42 <nsh> if only we hadn't had so many swhackomelettes
14:02:04 <sbp> tasty though
14:02:16 <nsh> mmm, chicken omelette -- two generations of tasty!
14:03:11 * zachb eats self
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14:06:17 <sbp> two generations: hehe
14:07:16 <bjoern_> phenny, en de "Owl"?
14:07:17 <phenny> bjoern_: "Owl" (en to de, translate.google.com)
14:07:20 <bjoern_> phenny, en de "owl"?
14:07:21 <phenny> bjoern_: "Eule" (en to de, translate.google.com)
14:09:04 <zachb> Aha! I laugh!
14:10:04 <bjoern_> Why?
14:11:56 <zachb> Because I looked at your face?
14:13:54 <saml> phenny: de en "das Eule"
14:14:12 <nsh> need questionmark, saml
14:14:20 <nsh> phenny, de en "das Eule"?
14:14:20 <phenny> nsh: "the owl" (de to en, translate.google.com)
14:14:37 <saml> oh i fail
14:14:43 * nsh listens to 70's psychedelic folk singer Linda Perhacs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZw6FjjtRTA
14:14:59 <nsh> hauntingly not-annoying-girl
14:15:05 <bjoern_> Great, fall asleep under the martian sun just once, and everyone starts calling you cydonia mensae.
14:15:20 <bjoern_> Eule if fem. btw, so "Die Eule".
14:16:15 <saml> phenny: zh en "you are my sunshine"?
14:16:15 <phenny> saml: "you are my sunshine" (zh to en, translate.google.com)
14:16:30 <bjoern_> phenny: en zh "you are my sunshine"?
14:16:32 <phenny> bjoern_: The en to zh translation failed, sorry!
14:16:57 <saml> why do i fail a lot these days...
14:17:07 <bjoern_> phenny: en zh-CN "sun"?
14:17:29 <bjoern_> phenny: en zh-TW "sun"?
14:17:40 <bjoern_> slow, or a bugz?
14:19:25 <saml> phenny: en de "you are my sunshine"?
14:19:26 <phenny> saml: "Sie sind meine Sonne" (en to de, translate.google.com)
14:20:14 <nsh> this is a good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUaJcWiqHug&feature=related
14:20:23 <bjoern_> .title
14:20:24 <phenny> bjoern_: YouTube - Linda Perhacs - Paper Mountain Man
14:20:30 <saml> phenny: en ar "you are my sunshine"?
14:20:30 <phenny> saml: The en to ar translation failed, sorry!
14:20:54 <bjoern_> That's supposed to work, I think.
14:21:06 <saml> python unicode is so hard
14:21:11 <zachb> http://www.canned-bacon.com/thebaconoutofthecan.html -- if they wanted to sell, they shouldn't have shown that
14:21:18 <bjoern_> Online service says انت بلدي الشمس المشرقه
14:21:48 <nsh> those squiggles are too small to be meaningful
14:22:13 <bjoern_> In doubt, take it as an insult
14:26:46 <zachb> nsh: agreed
14:47:15 <nsh> fuck it
14:47:15 <Monty2> potty mouth!
14:47:19 <nsh> who needs a return flight
14:47:44 * nsh books ticket to UK
14:51:24 <zachb> :P
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15:25:00 <jsled> Oh, 2.41 is out.,
15:25:03 <jsled> Oh. oh.
15:25:18 <jsled> *splurtch*
15:30:18 <xover> Of…?
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15:37:54 <Monty2> welcome, jeffarch_
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15:45:01 <jsled> xover: PS3 system software.
15:46:46 <xover> ah
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16:39:44 <clsn> Hey, sbp, instead of trying for church of god as a protist or something, my wife thought at first of a church *for* protists... To extend the warm loving hand of heaven to primitive eukaryotes...?
16:41:22 <sbp> ooh, good idea
16:41:32 <sbp> the animals do tend to get written out of religious doctrine
16:41:35 <sbp> poor things
16:41:44 <clsn> Yeah... More workable.
16:41:56 <sbp> trouble is, where do we stand on communion?
16:42:03 <clsn> Trouble with protists is that they're defined by exclusion: basically eukaryotes who aren't anything else.
16:42:14 <sbp> because presumably some primitive eukaryotes will be sent to heaven by the alcohol...
16:42:38 <clsn> If the wine really turns to blood, does that mean that malaria protozoa can live in it? They're some of our parishioners.
16:43:25 <clsn> At least the wafers aren't (*gasp*) leavened.
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16:48:52 <sbp> chuckle, good test of faith
16:49:02 <sbp> if you're a malaria protozoa in the protist church
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16:50:04 <Monty2> bah, it's nsh again
16:52:52 <jsled> .ety belay
16:52:53 <phenny> "O.E. bilecgan 'to lay a thing about' (with other objects), from be- + lecgan 'to lay' (see lay)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=belay
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17:00:31 * zachb wonders if there's some fancy phrase for one's personal taste
17:05:16 <zachb> .wik personal taste
17:05:19 <phenny> "In philosophy moral relativism is the position that moral or ethical propositions do not reflect objective and/or universal moral truths, but instead make claims relative to social, cultural, historical or personal circumstances." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism
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17:39:44 <bjoern_> .title http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i-rRIEO5WxrK3O6meDdwz01pLn4wD91POVNG0
17:39:45 <phenny> bjoern_: The Associated Press: Schumacher wins Tour time trial, grabs lead
17:40:05 <sbp> ha
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17:43:18 <bjoern_> .title http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37890/113/
17:43:20 <phenny> bjoern_: TG Daily - Steve Jobs suffering from a bug
17:51:02 <clsn> In the OMFG category: http://cagle.com/working/080707/simanca.jpg
17:54:02 <sbp> heh
17:54:59 <sbp> http://cagle.com/news/ObamaMcCain/images/bagley.jpg
17:56:06 <clsn> http://cagle.com/working/080707/drybones.jpg
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18:00:36 <nsh> chuckles at aboves
18:00:39 <nsh> hmm
18:00:42 <nsh> is it a bad thing
18:00:45 <nsh> when you put the oven on
18:00:59 <nsh> and start to smell "food" after a while
18:01:04 <nsh> despite it being empty
18:01:04 <nsh> ?
18:03:29 <clsn> Not TOO bad; all ovens get some residue. But it probably does mean it needs a little cleaning someday soon.
18:03:44 * clsn places the Escher in his "saved comics" file.
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18:16:52 <bjoern_> should clean oven
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18:35:31 <nsh> the IT crowd...
18:35:42 <nsh> is the acting terrible on purpose?!?
18:35:52 <nsh> are the jokes obvious and mistimed deliberately?
18:36:18 <nsh> what level of irony am I supposed to be appreciating this on???
18:37:23 <nsh> it's like introduction to funny-words for dummies on the simple english wikipedia
18:39:07 <nsh> ugh
18:39:46 <nsh> maybe the first episode is a tests of endurance
18:39:58 <nsh> and then the pain will stop and the magnificence begin
18:40:22 <nsh> why does the woman sound like she's in pain the whole time?!
18:40:51 <sbp> the first episode is indeed not the best
18:41:06 <sbp> the introduction is truly terrible
18:41:11 <sbp> I didn't think I was gonna like it at all
18:41:16 <nsh> you know when someone keeps talking and you resonante with their own unfelt awkwardness and embarrasment
18:41:28 <nsh> it's like that, but with a large team of people
18:41:31 <nsh> all crammed into my laptop
18:41:36 <nsh> and i am ashamed for them all
18:41:49 * nsh will persevere
18:43:28 <nsh> might be what i will forthwith term "the pilot effect"
18:43:45 <nsh> where a show has to be industrially dumbed-down to be appealing to network executives
18:45:25 <ja> hrm
18:45:30 <ja> dexter/sfu pilots were good
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18:46:10 <nsh> sfu?
18:50:25 <deltab> ‹sproingie› bob almighty, i'm tired of spoonfeeding people
18:50:31 <sbp> pilot effect: could be!
18:50:31 <deltab> ‹sproingie› do i have to make the little airplane sound?
18:50:31 <deltab> ‹sproingie› "heeere comes the list comprehension! vrrrrrrooooommmm"
18:50:36 <sbp> whoops, sorry
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18:52:28 <hunterp> suggestions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hfastedge/EfficientAds ??
18:53:16 <bjoern_> <base href='mailto:'><a href='example@example.org'>...</a>
18:53:36 <bjoern_> it's not a link in firefox, opera turns that into mailto:/example@example.org and IE does it as you'd expect
18:54:19 <clsn> What, something random like printing it in blinking puce?
18:54:32 <bjoern_> Yes.
18:54:52 <bjoern_> <base href='data:'><a href='text/plain,ok'>...</a> is a link in firefox, but it ignores the base.
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18:55:12 <bjoern_> In Opera you get a scheme-less "absolute" url "text/plain,ok"
18:55:14 * sbp prints clsn in blinking puce
18:55:25 <bjoern_> javascript has similar results
18:55:26 <clsn> Eww.
18:55:31 <sbp> sry mang
18:55:52 <sbp> hunterp: you're being ignored because nobody has a flipping clue what you're on about
18:55:59 <sbp> TRY HARDER
18:56:19 <bjoern_> any other cool schemes I could try?
18:56:25 <bjoern_> ones that work outside ie?
18:56:25 <nsh> phenny, de en "menschenfleisch"?
18:56:27 <clsn> pyramid schemes?
18:56:27 <phenny> nsh: "meat" (de to en, translate.google.com)
18:56:40 <bjoern_> Human meat.
18:56:50 <sbp> about:
18:57:09 <bjoern_> testoring
18:57:10 <sbp> <base href='about:'><a href='mozilla'>...</a>
18:57:50 <bjoern_> goes to opera:blank in opera, about:blank in ie, file "blank" in firefox, when testing from a file: url.
18:58:28 <bjoern_> hmm typo "developera.mozilla.morg"
18:58:29 <clsn> telnet://?
18:58:44 * nsh waves to jessica
18:58:48 <hunterp> sbp: im trying to see if my solution is the most user friendly way of serving my ad to them, and verifying their identity back to me
18:59:13 * sbp looks through the logs for hunterp and happy_broccoli... chuckle, do you ever say anything that is not a question?
18:59:36 <bjoern_> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/URIScheme isn't very good
18:59:37 <hunterp> sbp: would you like me to provide information?
18:59:37 <jsled> no?
18:59:42 <sbp> ooh, yes, found something:
18:59:43 <sbp> 07:38:00 <happy_broccoli> http://www.digg.com/politics/A_new_read_400_year_old_voting_system_on_ballot_Nov_7th
18:59:52 <sbp> - http://swhack.com/logs/2006-10-12#T07-38-00
19:00:05 <jessica> Good evening, nsh. How do you do?
19:00:07 <sbp> out of about two dozen instances of you talking, that's the only non-question so far
19:00:07 <deltab> is happy any relation to cubby?
19:00:07 <hunterp> sbp: i'm glad I have such a fan ;-)
19:00:13 <clsn> Can't you just do <a href="http://client.org/?uid=1234">Buy us!</a> ?
19:00:25 <sbp> yo jessica
19:00:39 <nsh> jessica, delightfully, ma'am. and yourself, if i might enquire?
19:00:59 <sbp> roffles at moz-icon://.ext?size=32
19:01:10 <sbp> bet moz-icon isn't registered...
19:01:19 <jessica> Good evening, sbp. :)
19:01:33 <jessica> Exhausted and overheated. The temperature here is 32 bloody degrees.
19:01:49 <hunterp> clsn:thats basically what I'm doing as part 1 of the transaction. part 2 is them sending the UID back to me combined with their USERID. if userid does not match UID, then I can safely ignore the request. this design would prevent spam to my system as well i would think
19:01:50 <jessica> Also busy formulating an argument with a Scot, which even under ideal conditions would be difficult.
19:01:51 <sbp> .c 32 F in C
19:01:52 <phenny> 32 degrees Fahrenheit = 0 degrees Celsius
19:01:54 <nsh> that's rather on the warm side
19:02:21 <bjoern_> If they tried, they'd probably be told the vendor syntax is moz.icon:.. not with a dash (vaguely recalling from RFC 1F0RG0T)
19:02:27 * nsh frowns, missed sauna
19:02:49 <sbp> nsh: in Soviet Finland, sauna misses you!
19:03:08 <sbp> you are so contiguous with Russia
19:03:14 <jessica> .c 32 C in F
19:03:15 <phenny> 32 degrees Celsius = 89.6 degrees Fahrenheit
19:03:33 <sbp> .weather London
19:03:37 <phenny> Scattered, 18℃, 1011mb, Fresh breeze 16kt (↑) - EGLC 19:50, 1850Z
19:03:46 <sbp> tasty mild
19:03:47 <jessica> Actually, at the moment, it's 91.5 / 33.1.
19:03:49 <jessica> So I was being generous.
19:03:51 <zachb> YUS
19:03:52 <bjoern_> .u :
19:03:53 <phenny> U+003A COLON (:)
19:03:56 <nsh> it's blowing straight up in london?!
19:04:00 <sbp> yeah
19:04:07 <jessica> I'm considering a trip to your wet little island, sbp, and frankly I'm tempted by the weather. :P
19:04:09 <sbp> at 16 knots
19:04:22 <sbp> hey, we're one of the world's largest islands
19:04:25 * nsh wonders how long to the mooon at 16 knots
19:04:27 <xover> .weather Oslo
19:04:28 <phenny> ENFB: no such ICAO code, or no NOAA data
19:04:33 <xover> meh
19:04:49 <xover> .weather OSL
19:04:51 <phenny> ENFB: no such ICAO code, or no NOAA data
19:04:52 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_by_population - 3rd
19:05:02 <hunterp> it takes .7 seconds to the mooon at light speed
19:05:04 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_by_area - 8th
19:05:15 <xover> .weather ENGM
19:05:16 <phenny> Clear ☼, 17℃, 1004mb, Light breeze 2m/s (4kt) (↑) - ENGM 20:40, 1840Z
19:05:17 <bjoern_> Okay guess I'm through the funny behaviors then
19:05:52 <sbp> .wik Moon
19:05:54 <phenny> "The Moon (Latin: Luna) is Earth's only natural satellite and the fifth largest natural satellite in the Solar System." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon
19:06:15 <sbp> erigee 363,104 km (0.0024 AU)
19:06:15 <clsn> (It's a hoax)
19:06:15 <sbp> Apogee 405,696 km (0.0027 AU)
19:06:19 <sbp> +P
19:06:29 <sbp> .c 363,104 km / speed of light
19:06:30 <phenny> (363 104 kilometers) / the speed of light = 1.21118457 seconds
19:06:30 <Monty2> 45782|2|2.0
19:06:39 <sbp> .c 405,696 km / speed of light
19:06:40 <phenny> (405 696 kilometers) / the speed of light = 1.35325619 seconds
19:06:52 <sbp> .c (1.21118457 + 1.35325619) / 2
19:06:53 <phenny> (1.21118457 + 1.35325619) / 2 = 1.28222038
19:07:07 <clsn> .title http://www.revisionism.nl/
19:07:08 <sbp> so nearly twice as much as your figure
19:07:08 <phenny> clsn: The Mad Revisionist - revisionism revisited
19:07:09 <bjoern_> ah <base href='javascript://%0a/%0aalert(1)'><a href=''>...</a> works cross browser
19:07:23 <bjoern_> last I checked Opera didn't like %0a in javascript urls, I think.
19:07:46 <bjoern_> (cross browser doesn't include firefox)
19:08:03 <sbp> .c 363,104 km / 16 knots
19:08:04 <phenny> (363 104 kilometers) / (16 knots) = 1.39790571 years
19:08:08 <sbp> nsh: there you go
19:08:41 <nsh> hmm, would have to take supplies
19:08:45 <sbp> yeah
19:09:05 <nsh> moontrip supply checklist:
19:09:20 <nsh> -mangos
19:09:44 <nsh> man, i really want a mango
19:10:05 <sbp> dried mango is best
19:10:07 <nsh> i wonder where i could purloin myself oneadems from
19:10:11 <sbp> they get a mango
19:10:15 <sbp> they cut it into slices
19:10:16 <nsh> whoa
19:10:17 <sbp> and then they go BAM
19:10:22 <sbp> and smack it into a strip
19:10:23 <clsn> Nah, fresh mango r00lz.
19:10:31 <nsh> i'm with clsn on this one
19:10:37 <sbp> and all the flavour gets concentrationalised into love
19:10:42 <nsh> why dry the juicy out of the juicyfruit?
19:10:53 <nsh> man, it's all about the dripping with the flavour
19:11:00 <nsh> all disolvinated in liquid
19:11:05 <sbp> I like my flavours concentrationalised
19:11:12 <nsh> maximatising the surface area of the tastification
19:11:32 <nsh> TASTE BUD EGALITARIANISM WILL NOT BE HELDBACK
19:11:43 <melbel> have you ever nibbled fresh mango directly from the seed, sbp?
19:11:44 <nsh> by your concentrated-wealth approach to fruitsthetics
19:11:53 <sbp> melbel: is that a euphemism?
19:12:00 <melbel> no
19:12:13 <sbp> then I don't know what you mean
19:12:14 * xover appropriates it as one…
19:12:23 <nsh> wouldn't that require some kind time-space inversionifying machine?!?
19:12:35 <nsh> so you can suck the future fruit from its tiny progenitor?
19:12:38 * xover decides it should have something to do with lesbianism…
19:12:41 <nsh> man
19:12:44 <nsh> that too
19:12:58 <nsh> but i want oneadems inversionifiers
19:13:09 <clsn> Oh yeah, nibblin' from the seed is a fine way to get one's mango fix.
19:13:09 <melbel> just curious why you prefer the dried
19:13:31 <sbp> more tastyconcentrated
19:14:02 <melbel> well how do you know if you've never taken it fresh off the seed?
19:14:03 <bjoern_> hmm punycode for just "ö" is "NDA"
19:14:06 <nsh> we should concentaste the whole world
19:14:10 <nsh> into one flavourpellet
19:14:17 <nsh> and allatonce we lick it
19:14:33 <nsh> eschaton de flaveur!
19:14:35 <sbp> I'm pretty sure I've had mango chunks, not sure about entirely fresh melon
19:14:52 <clsn> I like concentrated flavor, I can appreciate that. But the juiciness of mango is a wonderful thing in itself.
19:14:56 <nsh> u is not eat the melon!?!?!?
19:15:02 <sbp> er, meant mango
19:15:07 <clsn> For example, I doubt I would like concentrated watermelon.
19:15:13 <sbp> melon I've had, of course
19:15:13 <nsh> what decades-long military conflict of the historical eras are you the live in, sbp!?
19:15:19 <nsh> ah, okies
19:15:39 <melbel> mango and a knife, what a delicious drippy afternoon snack
19:15:40 <nsh> watermelon was always more of a refreshment thing
19:15:56 <clsn> Indeed.
19:16:21 <clsn> And it's summer, too. So think: grilled mango. Grilled pineapple too.
19:16:43 <nsh> mmm
19:16:52 <nsh> grilliqued banana is nice
19:16:56 <nsh> with ice-cream
19:17:02 <nsh> and anonymous sauces
19:17:10 <nsh> from the fbi sauce-protection scheme
19:17:28 <clsn> Happens that for whatever reason I absolutely detest bananas.
19:17:41 <xover> LIES!
19:17:46 <nsh> i've been moving off them
19:17:49 <nsh> not so much as apples
19:17:54 <nsh> i can't eat apple-skin anymore
19:18:02 <nsh> because of some pesticide or other agrigunk
19:18:19 <clsn> I haven't eaten apples in years. Not because I don't like them, I *love* apples. But I started having a reaction to them. :(
19:18:26 <nsh> yeah, same
19:18:32 <nsh> lip swells up and mouth goes nasty
19:18:38 <clsn> I thought it was agrigunk, but peeling and organic didn't help.
19:18:42 <nsh> hmm
19:18:47 <clsn> Yes! Lip swells and itches.
19:18:51 <nsh> yeah
19:18:51 <nsh> weird
19:18:57 <clsn> And the reaction spread to many other fresh fruits.
19:18:57 <nsh> maybe some immunological development
19:19:02 <nsh> eeek
19:19:15 <clsn> But it's actually subsiding the past year or so... I might try an apple again soon.
19:19:21 * nsh nods
19:19:23 <clsn> *cooked* apple never gave me trouble.
19:19:32 <nsh> mmm
19:19:39 <clsn> My allergist said it was allergy to birch pollen, spread to anything vaguely in the birch family.
19:19:47 <nsh> interesting
19:20:00 <nsh> when do them birches get jiggy wit the sporulation?
19:20:02 <clsn> I got shots for it for a long time, then sort of just stopped keeping up. But I think it's subsiding anyway.
19:20:12 <sbp> always does in old age
19:20:17 <clsn> I assume spring and summer like everyone else.
19:20:19 <sbp> though then sometimes you get new fun allergies
19:20:23 <clsn> sbp: thanks. :(
19:20:25 <sbp> hehe
19:20:32 <sbp> it's a good thing, surely! :-)
19:20:33 <nsh> clsn is not yet a fourth
19:20:37 <nsh> old, pft
19:20:38 <clsn> Well, the apples never bugged me until I was in thirties I think.
19:20:51 <clsn> nsh: you know how old I am?
19:21:25 <nsh> it uses keys in the middle of my keyboard?
19:21:46 <nsh> (has no numpad :_/)
19:21:54 <xover> .wik Methuselah
19:21:54 <phenny> "Methuselah or Metushélach (Hebrew: מְתוּשֶׁלַח / מְתוּשָׁלַח, Standard Mətušélaḥ / Mətušálaḥ Tiberian Məṯûšélaḥ / Məṯûšālaḥ ; 'Man of the dart', or alternatively 'when he dies/died, it will be sent/has been sent') is the [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah
19:22:11 <nsh> clsn, if i had to guess i'd say mid-late the fourties
19:22:24 <nsh> you has a sevenish childspawn, no?
19:22:28 <nsh> wait, years happened
19:22:31 * clsn turned forty in May. Still working on getting over it.
19:22:39 <nsh> ah, i remember nows
19:22:41 <nsh> pft
19:22:42 <clsn> The kibs are 12 and 10.
19:23:04 <nsh> man, we need to get an anchor on that yeardrift
19:23:42 <sbp> nsh: BEW BEW. BEWBEWBEW
19:23:43 <nsh> how is the offsprunged ones?
19:23:54 <nsh> *PWWAAAARING AVOID*
19:24:00 <sbp> ooh, good dodge
19:24:06 <nsh> .seen pwaring
19:24:07 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen pwaring around.
19:24:11 <clsn> Mrs clsn just hit the four-oh last week.
19:24:11 <nsh> :_(
19:24:29 * clsn did not make the joke about trading her in for two 20-year-olds.
19:24:35 <sbp> hahaha
19:24:36 <nsh> hehe
19:24:50 * sbp scribbles that one down for future use
19:24:52 <clsn> To which the response is, "Hey, you're not wired for 220!"
19:25:02 <nsh> my father had his 50th birthday celebration conjoined with his 25th wedding aniversery
19:25:13 <nsh> i made jokes about wasting only half his life
19:25:16 <clsn> Yeah, was our anniv last week too.
19:25:16 <sbp> ehheh
19:25:39 <nsh> congratulances
19:25:42 <nsh> oh man
19:25:49 <nsh> a congratu-lance would be awesome
19:25:52 <sbp> . o O { aha, nsh is either over 25 or a bastard. this is information we can USE mang }
19:26:07 <bjoern_> . o O { k }
19:26:07 <nsh> whenever someone gets elected to office
19:26:10 <sbp> . o O { wait. incorrect time maths alert }
19:26:13 <nsh> we have jousting celebrations
19:26:19 <bjoern_> . o O { noes! }
19:26:21 <nsh> and lancificate their win
19:26:31 <bjoern_> . o O { anybody reading this? }
19:26:39 <sbp> . o O { yo bjoern_. how are we communicating using thought bubbles exactly? }
19:26:40 <bjoern_> . o O { GET OUTTA HERE }
19:26:45 <sbp> . o O { NU! }
19:26:51 <bjoern_> . o O { hmm, k! }
19:26:57 <nsh> . o O 0 { .
19:26:59 <sbp> . o O { thx }
19:27:05 <nsh> mine fissured :_(
19:27:09 <sbp> hehe
19:27:19 <sbp> add a little gum arabic
19:27:30 <nsh> DONE (arabic)
19:27:35 <sbp> (happened.)
19:27:42 <bjoern_> . o O { اضف قليلا من الصمغ العربي }
19:27:45 <sbp> ehheh
19:27:59 <nsh> that's an immense-looking climbing-frame, bjoern_
19:28:08 <nsh> i is can play/!?
19:28:13 <clsn> Yes, I was about to type something about gum arabic being in squiggles too small to read...
19:28:30 <nsh> hehe
19:28:35 <sbp> .wik Captain Squiggles
19:28:37 <phenny> "This is the list of characters which appear in the Cartoon Network animated television series Squirrel Boy." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Squirrel_Boy
19:28:47 <nsh> which one of those words is going to eat which other ones?
19:28:49 <sbp> Captain Squiggles is one foxy broad
19:28:54 <nsh> i think the second from right looks pretty predatory
19:28:56 <bjoern_> Somehow I was thinking Unicode reading the .wik
19:29:03 <nsh> though i'd also keep an eye on the leftmost
19:29:15 <nsh> because it's got that pirannah look to it
19:29:17 <sbp> the leftmost looks like it's eating itself
19:29:24 <nsh> probably have a lot of mates hiding off-camera
19:29:35 <nsh> just sharpening its teech
19:29:42 <nsh> like leechy-teeth
19:29:45 <nsh> (if that wasn't clear)
19:30:25 <sbp> . o O { كلمة "قمر" تستخدم للإشارة إلى أي جرم سماوي أو صناعي، يدور بمدار معين }
19:30:50 <nsh> aarrrgh, they's ecosystematising!
19:31:03 <nsh> i can already discern complex feedback loops
19:31:53 <sbp> that part-sentence was about the moon, by the way
19:31:58 <bjoern_> . o O { لا ، انت! }
19:32:29 <clsn> Wait, I understood that one! :)
19:32:53 <nsh> wait
19:33:14 <nsh> are we playing that game where people conspiratorially pretend that nonsense squiggles are intelligible
19:33:18 <nsh> because they play that all the time at the lab
19:33:28 <nsh> and i grow weary of its constant toll
19:33:38 <bjoern_> phenny, de "toll"?
19:33:39 <phenny> bjoern_: "toll" (de to en, translate.google.com)
19:33:46 <nsh> .w toll
19:33:47 <bjoern_> phenny, de "Das ist toll!"?
19:33:47 <phenny> toll n. 1: A fee levied for the use of roads or bridges (used for maintenance)
19:33:48 <phenny> toll v. 1: Ring slowly
19:33:49 <phenny> toll v. 2: Charge a fee for using.
19:33:49 <phenny> bjoern_: "That's great!" (de to en, translate.google.com)
19:34:04 <bjoern_> it's really sucky at single word translations.
19:35:13 <nsh> because it's made of fairy-eyeballs and cobweb
19:35:27 <bjoern_> Like most things.
19:36:11 * nsh nods
19:40:04 <Arnia> Hm. McBride has gone to Strathclyde. Seems to be where lots of computer scientists from here end up :p
19:40:43 <sbp> Darl? or Brian?
19:41:35 <Arnia> Conor
19:44:51 <sbp> [[[
19:44:52 <sbp> Four women who took part in a sado-masochistic session with motor sport boss Max Mosley have denied there was any Nazi-themed role-play.
19:44:52 <sbp> Instead, the witnesses - "D", "B", "A" and "C" - told the High Court that they had been enacting a "prison fantasy".
19:44:59 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7495604.stm
19:45:04 <sbp> I love that. D, B, A, and C
19:46:54 <sbp> lols, what?
19:46:55 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7496216.stm
19:46:57 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | UK | Vatican angry over women bishops
19:47:20 <sbp> funny how the church are still struggling to catch up to 1920s ethics
19:47:46 <sbp> "but, but, Jesus didn't appoint any women bishops!"
19:47:56 <sbp> "yeah, well he didn't appoint *any* bishops, did he?"
19:48:05 <jessica> Cut them some slack, sbp, they're simply an antiquated and confused institution.
19:48:30 <sbp> oh, I wasn't criticising them
19:51:37 <jessica> That's good. 'cause as an ex-Papist, *I* criticise them. Heavily. ;)
19:52:04 <sbp> well all religious people are bonkers really
19:52:10 <sbp> and unreligious ones even worse
19:52:58 <Jibbler> "but jesus is made up"
19:53:09 <xover> Religiously Atheist.
19:53:15 * jessica turns on Nine Inch Nails heresy
19:53:16 <clsn> Ooh, "super-bishops"? This is starting to sound like a more fun idea now...
19:53:44 <xover> You know what they did to papists in Elizabeth's day, right?
19:54:49 <sbp> yeah, made them live up north!
19:55:13 <xover> «… no one who professes "the popish religion" or marries "a papist" may succeed to the throne of the United Kingdom.»
19:55:15 * sbp scribbles that down
19:55:26 <jessica> xover: I'm aware. I'm also aware that between being Scot and being Acadian, my ancestors were systematically fucked in the arse by the English.
19:55:32 <nsh> nope, had to bail during second episode
19:55:39 <clsn> Apparently they had some weird thing like that in Virginia in colonial times...
19:55:42 <xover> But did they enjoy it?
19:55:43 <nsh> series is write-off
19:55:51 <jessica> However, I consider adequate revenge in the fact that the Empire where the Sun Never Sets now is the Empire where the sun sets at promptly 5.37 p.m. G.M.T.
19:55:57 <nsh> Acadia is a mythical place...
19:56:09 <xover> Nu-uh!
19:56:28 <sbp> well the Scots were even more protestant
19:56:39 <clsn> For a while there was a law I think in Maryland or something that a Jew could hold office only if he publically swore that he believed in an afterlife.
19:56:40 <jessica> Some Scots were Presbyterian, some were Papist.
19:56:43 <nsh> except the ruthlessly catholic ones
19:56:49 <clsn> Actually, it might still be techncially on the books.
19:56:53 <xover> And in Elizabeth's day they were the friendly barbarians.
19:57:00 <jessica> My ancestors were Presbyterian until my grandfather decided to marry an Irish Catholic teenager whose father had just died a drunk on the streets of South Boston.
19:57:01 <sbp> too much Calvin and Hobbes for them
19:57:02 <xover> Now the Irish on the other hand.
19:57:08 <jessica> He lost his inheritance and all rights to the family over it, of course.
19:58:10 * sbp gets to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Reformation
19:58:12 <nsh> because the moon resembles as a crescent!
19:58:19 <clsn> The moon is a hoax.
19:58:49 <nsh> not at no. 29 Acacia Rd.
19:58:59 <nsh> HOME OF BANANAMAN
19:59:15 <Arnia> nsh is Eric?
19:59:27 <nsh> shhhiskrt
19:59:34 * jessica is aware of a small difference there, involving a lady by the name of Mary, Sean?
19:59:43 <sbp> hmm. well I know that at the time of the Civil War Scotland was pretty heavily protestant
19:59:47 <jessica> One of my ancestors was born in Edinburgh Castle while refugeeing from the Jacobites.
19:59:59 <sbp> and they reformed in 1560...
20:00:06 <xover> In fact…
20:00:09 <xover> .wik James VI of Scotland
20:00:10 <phenny> "James VI and I (19 June 1566 – 27 March 1625) was King of Scotland as James VI, and King of England and King of Ireland as James I. He ruled in Scotland as James VI from 24 July 1567, when he was only one year old, succeeding his mother Mary, Queen of Scots." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_of_Scotland
20:00:12 <sbp> I wonder how much Catholic sympathy was really present in Scotland in Elizabeth's time
20:00:14 <nsh> under a new name, and with a different bass guitarist
20:00:25 <clsn> I think my wife's family is distantly related to James...
20:00:35 * nsh pictures a bass guitarist catholic monarch
20:00:41 <deltab> Bonekickers is on BBC1 next
20:00:46 <clsn> (my mother-in-law converted to Judaism, you see)
20:00:51 * Arnia kicks nsh's bones
20:00:56 <nsh> hey man
20:01:01 <nsh> i'm imaginine rock-fish
20:01:22 <deltab> described as "Da Vinci Code meets Time Team"
20:01:23 <Arnia> You're imagine-basalt
20:01:29 <Arnia> deltab: ugh
20:01:38 <deltab> yeah
20:01:56 <nsh> if Da Vinci Code met Time Team
20:01:56 <clsn> The moon hoax: http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm
20:02:02 <nsh> i think the result would not be more tv
20:02:13 <nsh> instead, there would likely be wailing
20:02:18 <nsh> and perhaps the gnashing of teeth
20:02:23 <clsn> "A cash reward of $100,000 has been offered to anyone who can send us, by e-mail, conclusive physical evidence of the existence of the moon. This reward remains unclaimed. " -- ibid. So it must be true.
20:02:33 <nsh> aha
20:02:35 <nsh> the Randi gambit
20:02:44 <Arnia> clsn: scepticism is fun isn't it
20:02:51 <deltab> this first episode features the Knights Templar
20:03:03 <clsn> Well, it isn't so much scepticism as it is applying revisionist logic to everything else. :)
20:03:24 <Arnia> Makes you wonder, 'how do I tell the difference between this 'irrational' logic and the more rational requirements for evidence'
20:03:36 <clsn> Indeed....
20:03:49 <sbp> a lawyer ought to take that challenge up
20:04:01 <nsh> whilst unicycling!
20:04:05 <nsh> in fact
20:04:06 <Arnia> Bonekickers or nsh?
20:04:10 <clsn> It's fun reading. :)
20:04:15 * jessica finally finishes a lengthy letter to a friend in which she calculated a sum in Old Money.
20:04:18 <nsh> damnit, all lawyers should be permanently unicycling
20:04:22 <nsh> that would solve a lot of problems
20:04:27 <jessica> I actually prefer that to decimalisation. I can't tell if it's my deliberate archaism or what.
20:04:38 <Arnia> They'd make their own injuries to claim compensation
