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00:40:27 <thelsdj> reddit is down! long live reddit!
00:40:54 <jsled> it's up here. :p
00:42:20 <thelsdj> they just fixed it i guess
00:46:18 <bjoern_> they must befollowing swhack.
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00:49:37 <Arnia> Doesn't everyone of note?
00:49:53 * Arnia declares the supremacy of swhack over all lesser forums
00:54:52 <Morbus> phenny, tell sbp that i just sent Loren an email asking him about fortipedia and databases ;)
00:54:53 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
01:06:26 <jessica> Morbus!
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01:43:07 * nslater wibblè̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀̀s
01:48:46 * Arnia wôbbles
01:49:11 * jsled wübblés
01:49:46 <nslater> ㋡
01:51:18 <Arnia> All good
01:54:45 <kpreid> hi Ar
01:54:46 <kpreid> nia
01:56:00 <kpreid> (I apparently hit return in the belief it was an autocomplete key...)
02:01:36 <saml> do you use amazon S3?
02:05:18 <hunterp> can someone opine if there are security holes/stupid design in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hfastedge/EfficientAds
02:08:09 <Arnia> Got to love category theory in Haskell: http://comonad.com/reader/2008/kan-extensions-ii/
02:09:12 <kpreid> Arnia: is this your kind of thing? http://vandreev.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/non-standard-analysis-and-automatic-differentiation/
02:09:31 <Arnia> Yeah. I thought that rather cool
02:18:54 <bjoern_> mplayer / vlc / ... syntax for `take this divx avi and save the first two minutes into a new file`?
02:24:50 <nslater> n5h: WILL I INTERCOMBREHEND WITH TIMESPAICE AND BECOME 7st DIMENSAION???
02:24:51 <n5h> concordance. nevermind :-). collision of what?
02:25:00 <nslater> n5h: TIMESPAICE
02:25:01 <n5h> stupid catholic encyclopedia. salutatary?
02:26:12 <bjoern_> % mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -endpos 120 -o out.avi in.avi
02:57:52 <Arnia> Hm. #haskell gets some good quotes
02:58:03 <Arnia> 'mauke: the first rule of fix club is "the first rule of fix club is "the first rule of fix club is...'
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03:09:39 <Arnia> 'DRMacIver: I dread to think what category theory would look like after the software engineering world had got their grubby paws on it. Enterprise variant functors. Commutative UML diagrams.'
03:10:42 <Arnia> 'augustss: Haskell already has enterprise monads; there is a fail method.'
03:10:55 <Arnia> and finally, 'Olathe: We can't be totally sure, though. There might be some value of 1 that wasn't checked.'
03:11:16 <Arnia> (that last one is an incredibly geeky maths joke... I apologise)
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03:38:07 <zachb> I agree with the topic!
04:05:11 <Arnia> Hm... an hour and a half commute...
04:06:11 <ja> maybe once or twice a week
04:06:15 <ja> 2 sounds good
04:06:22 <ja> well depends if its train
04:07:03 <zachb> HmmMmMMmMmmm
04:07:23 <zachb> damn, almost symetrical M's
04:07:30 <zachb> HmmMmMMmMmmH
04:07:33 <zachb> much better
04:08:22 <Arnia> Well, it is 15 minutes by bus, then fifty minutes on the Piccadilly Line from Uxbridge to South Kensington
04:08:39 <ja> are you happy with your current living location?
04:08:52 * ja can relocate by like.. stuffing stuff in a backpack :/
04:08:54 <Arnia> Five minute walk to the bus stop, fifteen minutes wait for the tube, fifteen minute walk to the uni
04:09:12 <Arnia> ja: I live in Durham atm, but I'm applying for a job at Imperial College
04:09:33 *** ja is now known as hmm
04:09:35 <Arnia> ja: if I get it, I will stay with family in Bucks and commute into London each morning
04:09:46 *** hmm is now known as ja
04:10:32 <ja> ive heard of longer commutes, _Driving_
04:10:34 <ja> in the new york area
04:10:43 <ja> also the bus from SF to Mountain View is like, 50 minutes or something
04:10:46 <ja> depeending on traffic
04:11:24 <Arnia> Yeah, but I'm used to walking at most fifteen minutes from where I live to anywhere in the city
04:11:30 <Arnia> so humour me :p
04:11:57 <ja> i used to walk 15 blocks thru the seediest heroin addict drunk ridden section of SF to work
04:12:08 <ja> which was always nice. i felt at home amongst them for some reason
04:12:16 <Arnia> I have no idea how big a block is...
04:12:37 <ja> a block.. hmm
04:12:41 <ja> total was 1.5 miles i think
04:12:51 <ja> so .1 mile per block (which is uh.. 166 meters?
04:13:46 <ja> i remmeber 'blocks' too
04:13:52 <ja> being befuddled by them
04:14:03 <ja> the general tactic is
04:14:09 <ja> your route is generally diagonal
04:14:11 <ja> eg stairstep
04:14:23 <ja> so whichever crosswalk is open at the moment
04:14:44 <ja> in the mind of efficiency/timesaving i probably missed some cool street action
04:15:00 * ja heard UK train lines are notoriously 'slow'
04:15:14 <ja> caltrain is crap. everyone hates the T here in boston but its not that bad
04:15:16 <ja> excpet when it crashes
04:15:17 <Arnia> 2h 40m from London to Durham
04:15:22 <Arnia> Which is 300 miles
04:15:43 <ja> not bad
04:15:44 <Arnia> That's with three stops; Peterborough, York, Darlington
04:15:58 <jessica> I adore the T.
04:16:14 <jessica> Where else can I get Pepsi bottles full of urine rolling down the car at me when I'm wearing good clothes?
04:16:29 <ja> uh.. the Muni in SF :)
04:16:41 <jessica> eh, I've never been to the Gay Bay except as a tourist, so I always took BART.
04:17:05 <ja> bart has felt cushion seats = odor/bug/stain magnets
04:17:08 <ja> but yes. its still pretty good
04:17:12 <ja> save the awful screeching sound near the tunnels
04:17:27 * ja lost about 2 dB from that
04:17:40 <Arnia> The train from my village into Central London (specifically, London Marylebone) takes 25 minutes for 25 miles... that's with one stop at Wembley Stadium
04:17:40 <jessica> It's even better when the MIT kids honour you with a discussion of exactly how much weight the Longfellow Bridge *can't* bear.
04:17:53 <Arnia> Overground commuter line that
04:18:22 <ja> Arnia: 1 mph!
04:18:29 <ja> wait
04:18:31 <Arnia> has to run fairly slowly after Wembley though
04:18:31 <ja> mpm
04:18:41 <ja> you can generally outwalk the bus in SF
04:18:47 <Arnia> so it is a bit faster before, and a bit slower after
04:18:47 <ja> east of van ness
04:18:50 <zachb> Yeah
04:19:01 <ja> theres a good Top Gear episode
04:19:03 <ja> for london
04:19:17 <Arnia> The underground is slower, but that's because it stops every bloody minute :p
04:19:24 <Arnia> ja: yes :p
04:19:32 <Arnia> London isn't a good city to drive in
04:19:52 * Arnia advises people to not both and just get the underground or a bus
04:19:57 <Arnia> or walk
04:20:05 <zachb> hmm
04:20:16 <Arnia> Although I found it was a lot further from the Strand to Oxford Circus than I was expecting
04:20:23 * Arnia won't do that again
04:20:29 <Arnia> Regent Street is awfully long
04:32:56 <ja> bovine ska. bless up
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04:39:46 <zachb> "It might just be algebra if I could actually read it, but in general, the curvier the symbols get, the more complicated and difficult life becomes."
04:39:59 <zachb> http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=24847#p753439
04:44:02 <jsled> I thought my computer was getting slower. Then I realized that I was getting faster.
04:44:09 <jah> heh
04:44:23 <jsled> 60Hz? Please. 120Hz? Nice, but not enough.
04:44:33 <jah> usually removing needless code works
04:44:50 <jah> i flip out and start using dwm shortcuts on windoze or mac :/
04:45:06 <jah> and get all frustrated that FireFox has no spatial nav and is slow as shit
04:45:15 <jah> hz an issue with LCD?
04:45:19 * jah hasnt seen flicker
04:45:48 <jsled> No, I'm being dramatic.
04:46:17 <jsled> But, seriously, I've been noticing a lot of really fucking slow screen refreshes of late, and I don't know what's changed to cause them.
04:46:50 <jsled> X, video drivers and general stack are about the same as 6 months ago, but alt-tab'ing over to pidgin take a shitlong time to draw the damn window.
04:47:03 <jah> maybe compiz is on, with software render
04:47:07 <jsled> nope.
04:47:08 <jah> lethal combo, if you care about speed
04:47:09 <jah> k
04:47:15 <jsled> compiz is for fucktards.
04:47:22 <jah> xrestop maybe your VRAM is eaten by mongrels
04:48:06 <jsled> xrestop?
04:48:21 <jsled> oh. xrestop.
04:48:35 * jsled emerges xrestop. :)
04:48:42 <jah> oh, youre on gentoo
04:48:45 <jah> grep WW and EE
04:48:46 <jsled> OH.
04:48:48 <jah> in /var/log/Xorg.log
04:48:51 <jah> see if any accel is disabled
04:48:52 <jah> (even 2d)
04:48:57 <jah> and you got the right driver
04:48:57 <jah> eg
04:49:05 <jah> */* VIDEO_CARDS: -* ati radeon fglrx
04:49:10 <jah> in ~/.paludis/use.conf
04:49:13 <jah> or wahtever is in portage
04:50:27 <jsled> not on paludis; right driver = nvidia. Lots of "NVIDIA (0): WAIT ([…])"s, but that hasn't changed recently.
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04:51:24 <carmen> k?
04:51:35 <jsled> no.
04:51:37 <carmen> heh
04:51:41 <carmen> f my name in the pie hole
04:51:42 <jsled> :)
04:53:00 <jsled> well, maybe this is a sign, that I should respond to opfer's nvidia-driver testing request from the other day...
04:53:42 * jsled runs xrestop.
04:53:58 <jsled> fscking hell, skype, wtf are you doing‽
05:05:10 <zachb> Probably fucking a real chat client, like adium
05:05:59 <jsled> I have no allegiance to skype (and think the architecture is retarded), but does adium do voip?
05:06:30 <zachb> Probably?
05:06:35 <zachb> *shrug*
05:07:02 <zachb> I actually hate adium
05:07:06 <zachb> Err.
05:07:11 <zachb> I take that back, I've never used adium
05:07:28 <zachb> I know, it sounds like I'm a stupid moron who hates things that he tries, but I meant to clear up that I have no ties for adium
05:07:55 <jsled> geez. you sound like a stupid mor… :)
05:08:15 <zachb> :-)
05:08:25 <zachb> Hmm... stupid moron, a tad redundant, no?
05:08:46 <zachb> You're a stupid moron for even starting to go to that magical land of magical redundancy!
05:13:23 <jsled> indeed.
05:15:27 <carmen> agreed
05:15:40 <zachb> Thank you carmen
05:15:53 <zachb> I'm glad that we have some sanity here
05:15:53 <carmen> im here to second your notions, nothing more
05:16:01 <carmen> oh, sanity?
05:16:06 * carmen unfamiliar
05:16:14 <jsled> Monty2 can do that too!
05:16:15 <Monty2> What does that suggest to you ?
05:16:16 <zachb> unlike someone who will remain unnamJSLED
05:16:27 <zachb> Monty2 is quite sane
05:16:27 <carmen> jsled: ekiga?
05:16:28 <Monty2> do that"
05:16:39 <carmen> i used ekiga with some commercial 1 cent a minute voip providers no prob
05:16:46 <carmen> until my microphone crappy plantronics thing broke
05:16:48 <zachb> carmen: I use pidgin, and I think there's some ekiga + pidgin plugin or something
05:17:08 <zachb> The Purple 8 Ball says: Unclear
05:17:12 <jsled> carmen: oh, but the momentum at [unnamed] is toward skype. :/
05:17:18 <zachb> Heh
05:29:19 * zachb is reading bash.org
05:29:39 <zachb> Random bash quotes! (I do not vouch for their humor content, or even existance!)
05:29:41 <zachb> http://www.bash.org/?388199
05:29:43 <zachb> http://www.bash.org/?496026
05:29:44 <zachb> http://www.bash.org/?214815
05:29:44 <jsled> oh? C'mon … bring the quotes.
05:29:47 <jsled> nicee.
05:30:05 <jsled> Oh… give a little editing.
05:30:11 <zachb> Whoo! None exist :D
05:30:28 <jsled> editing is the currency of web 3.0
05:30:42 <zachb> ;-)
05:30:50 <zachb> #6460: what the fuck is wtf
05:30:51 <Monty2> potty mouth!
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05:53:57 <hunterp> what is now
05:55:03 <zachb> bash.org quote
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06:25:27 <jessica> Proposed (Classified) Bill Will Defend Against Flesh-Eating (Classified)
06:25:27 <jessica> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/proposed_classified_bill_will (video)
06:25:27 <jessica> Air Force units may also be directed to combat said CLASSIFIED due to their enormous size and other-worldly strengths, should event occur in urban areas ... Jesus ... that's CLASSIFIED, far surpassing our darkest nightmares, should casualties exceed CLASSIFIED ... body disposal actions shall be halted and associated resources shall be re-allocated to CLASSIFIED underground CLASSIFIED protected birthing centres er... New Bill of
06:25:27 <jessica> Rights shall be drafted and approved by CLASSIFIED.
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08:38:42 <Monty2> welcome, Talliesin
08:45:56 <sbp> yo
08:45:56 <phenny> sbp: 00:54Z <Morbus> tell sbp that i just sent Loren an email asking him about fortipedia and databases ;)
08:46:32 <sbp> ooh
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08:55:31 <sbp> great word:
08:55:32 <sbp> [[[
08:55:33 <sbp> ymbhwyrft [] m (-es/-as) rotation, revolution, turn; ring, circle, surrounded space, extent, environment, circuit, circular course, orbit; circuit, surrounding space; circle of the earth, orb, globe, world, earth; region, district, word (= part of the world occupied by a particular people); bend, turn; turn, regular course; attention, cultivation;
08:55:34 <sbp> ]]]
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08:59:18 <sbp> .ety witness
08:59:19 <phenny> "O.E. witnes 'attestation of fact, event, etc., from personal knowledge;' also 'one who so testifies;' originally 'knowledge, wit,' formed from wit (n.) + -ness." - http://etymonline.com/?term=witness
08:59:24 <sbp> .ety wit
08:59:25 <phenny> "'mental capacity,' O.E. wit, more commonly gewit, from P.Gmc. *witjan (cf. O.S. wit, O.N. vit, Dan. vid, Swed. vett, O.Fris. wit, O.H.G. wizzi 'knowledge, understanding, intelligence, mind,' Ger. Witz 'wit, witticism, joke,' Goth. unwiti 'ignorance'), from PIE [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=wit
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09:12:04 * Arnia boings
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09:17:34 <Monty2> Thank goodness, danja is back!
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09:25:07 <Arnia> Good grief, Oxford pay their lecturers well
09:25:41 <Arnia> Just reading http://web.comlab.ox.ac.uk/news/documents/FPS_Job16.pdf
09:30:07 <Arnia> Almost tempted to apply for a laugh
09:30:34 <Arnia> (would never get it, but having Horrocks for my boss would be cool)
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09:37:22 <nsh> problem is that you'd have to lecture to oxford students
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09:42:56 <Monty2> lo darobin
09:43:06 <darobin> hello Monty2
09:43:08 <Monty2> A when you to use)
09:43:34 <Arnia> nsh, hm... point
09:44:14 * Arnia tries to think about who to ask to be his third referee
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10:15:30 <_bjoern> Hello. I'm here to replace darobin.
10:42:04 * Arnia replaces _bjoern with a seahorse
10:42:05 <_bjoern> Google's search query market share in germany: > 80%, followed by eBay (yes) with > 6%
10:42:25 <Arnia> Compulsive eBayers?
10:42:37 <Arnia> eBayern *sniggers*
10:42:38 <_bjoern> Microsoft + Yahoo < 2%
10:42:51 <_bjoern> Or so they say, anyway.
10:43:05 <_bjoern> eBayern is almost phunny!
10:43:13 <_bjoern> .gc +ebayern
10:43:14 <phenny> +ebayern: 52,900
10:44:06 <_bjoern> 637000 notebooks lost on USian airports every year
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10:46:58 <_bjoern> ui environments should have a standard "toggle" cursor
10:53:58 <sbp> .gcs "twist in the tale" "twist in the tail"
10:54:00 <phenny> "twist in the tale" (152,000), "twist in the tail" (44,800)
10:54:33 <_bjoern> Yesterday I got my first U.S. military ID card.
10:54:53 <sbp> nice. why did you get that?
10:55:27 <_bjoern> I signed up of course, some adventure tourism into foreign countries, and get paid for it!
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11:13:42 <nsh> .gs domineering *
11:13:43 <phenny> domineering *: wife (3), bossy (3), ¤ (2), wives (2), on (2), nonautonomy (2), lady (2), enrapt (2), emasculating (2), easyread (2), deity (2), dad (2), cliquey (2)
11:14:59 <sbp> COUNTRY
11:15:24 <nsh> .wik Quantonics
11:15:26 <phenny> "Henry Margenau (1901 - February 8, 1997) was a German-U.S. physicist, and philosopher of science." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Margenau
11:16:38 <Arnia> .title http://curiousexpeditions.org/2007/09/a_librophiliacs_love_letter_1.html
11:16:41 <phenny> Arnia: Curious Expeditions » Blog Archive » Librophiliac Love Letter: A Compendium of Beautiful Libraries
11:17:15 <Arnia> I particularly like http://www.curiousexpeditions.org/HANDELINGENKAMER-TWEEDE-KAM%20%28%29.jpg
11:17:18 <sbp> [of] gotcha
11:18:09 <sbp> +f
11:20:16 <nsh> .c 70-120 tons in tonnes
11:20:17 <phenny> nsh: Sorry, no result.
11:20:22 <nsh> .c 70tons in tonnes
11:20:22 <phenny> 70 short tons = 63.5029318 tonnes
11:20:32 <nsh> .c 120 tons in tonnes
11:20:32 <phenny> 120 short tons = 108.862169 tonnes
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11:39:10 <_bjoern> .c 650 USD in EUR
11:39:11 <phenny> 650 U.S. dollars = 415.070243 Euros
11:40:23 <_bjoern> lolly semantic-web@ thread title "How do you deprecate URIs?"
11:42:38 <_bjoern> .c 3.50 USD / GB in (EUR / GB)
11:42:39 <phenny> 3.50 (U.S. dollars / GB) = 2.23499361 Euro / GB
11:42:50 <_bjoern> .c (3.50 USD / GB in (EUR / GB)) times 40 GB
11:42:51 <phenny> _bjoern: Sorry, no result.
11:43:43 <_bjoern> .c 3.50 USD / GB times 40 GB in EUR
11:43:44 <phenny> (3.50 (U.S. dollars / GB)) times 40 GB = 89.3997446 Euros
11:44:04 <andreaja> is the .c module available?
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12:30:47 <chris2> anyone have a script handy or know of a service to make a daily digest of an feed (i.e. all posts of that day into a single entry)?
12:41:38 <nsh> .ety dimension
12:41:38 <phenny> "1413, from L. dimensionem (nom. dimensio), from stem of dimetri 'to measure out,' from dis- + metri 'to measure.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=dimension
12:41:45 <nsh> .ety dis-
12:41:46 <phenny> "prefix meaning 1. 'lack of, not' (e.g. dishonest); 2. 'do the opposite of' (e.g. disallow); 3. 'apart, away' (e.g. discard), from O.Fr. des-, from L. dis- 'apart,' from PIE *dis- 'apart, asunder' (cf. O.E. te-, O.S. ti-, O.H.G. ze-, Ger. zer-)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=dis-
12:43:56 <nsh> .gs analytically *
12:43:57 <phenny> analytically *: unramified (8), tractable (5), solvable (4), pure (4), the (3), ramified (3), modeled synoptic (3), untractable (2), this (2), studied (2)
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12:48:18 <nsh> .w thelogos
12:48:19 <phenny> I couldn't find 'thelogos' in WordNet.
12:48:22 <nsh> .wik thelogos
12:48:24 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "thelogos".
12:48:29 <nsh> .gd thelogos
12:48:30 <phenny> thelogos: No definition found!
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13:12:21 <nsh> .ety dichon
13:12:21 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "dichon". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=dichon
13:12:24 <nsh> .wik dichon
13:12:25 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "dichon".
13:12:28 <nsh> .gd dichon
13:12:28 <Monty2> Indeed....
13:12:29 <phenny> dichon: Nom, dans le parler de Saint-Lô (Manche), d’une soupière
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14:24:34 <nsh> VotD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX4_3cV_3Mw
14:25:31 <_bjoern> nice
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14:28:59 <kpreid> whoops
14:29:19 <kpreid> I want look-to-focus
14:31:10 <xover> I want DWIM-Focus.
14:33:00 <chandler> http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/archive/2008/Jun/July72008fountain3.mov (warning, quicktime, no audio)
14:34:24 <nsh> .calc "Oh no, it's the eschaton!" -> Russian
14:34:26 <phenny> nsh: Sorry, can't calculate that.
14:34:43 <_bjoern> phenny, en ru "Oh no, it's the eschaton!"?
14:34:44 <phenny> _bjoern: The en to ru translation failed, sorry!
14:34:50 <nsh> .calc "Don't steal my donkey!" -> German
14:34:52 * Arnia immanentizes nsh
14:34:52 <phenny> nsh: Sorry, can't calculate that.
14:34:55 <nsh> meh
14:35:00 <nsh> frink is the lies
14:35:07 <_bjoern> .gc "Ах нет, это eschaton!"
14:35:09 <phenny> "Ах нет, это eschaton!": 0
14:35:13 <_bjoern> I say sbp hazzabugz
14:35:27 <_bjoern> .gc "Ах нет, это"
14:35:28 <phenny> "Ах нет, это": 20,300
14:35:50 <nsh> .calc German["My hovercraft is full of eels."]
14:35:52 <phenny> nsh: Sorry, can't calculate that.
14:35:58 <nsh> try hardar
14:36:13 <Arnia> sbphazbugz?
14:36:21 * Arnia fetches the fly tonic
14:36:22 <chandler> .calc 1 eels per hovercraft per day in cubits
14:36:23 <phenny> 1 eels per hovercraft per day in cubits = 86400 s (time) eels hovercraft per per -> cubits cubits
14:37:35 <nsh> phenny, ask sbp why we can't use the translation goodies of frink
14:37:35 <phenny> nsh: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
14:39:09 <clsn> .ety ur-
14:39:10 <phenny> "prefix meaning 'original, earliest, primitive,' from Ger. 'original, primitive;' at first only in words borrowed from Ger. (cf. ursprache 'hypothetical primitive language,' attested in Eng. from 1908), now a living prefix in Eng. Cf. also Urschleim under protoplasm and [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=ur-
14:39:32 <chandler> .g urpants
14:39:33 <phenny> chandler: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=10398123
14:39:37 <chandler> .gc urpants
14:39:38 <phenny> urpants: 366
14:43:33 <chandler> .wik Jesus H. Christ
14:43:34 <phenny> "Jesus H. Christ is an example of slang serving as a mild profanity or sometimes pejorative term to describe Christians.[citation needed]| The expression can be used in an angry, wry, sarcastic, cynical, exasperated, or even joking tone." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_H._Christ
14:43:52 <chandler> "The expression dates to at least the late 19th century, although according to Mark Twain it was already old in 1850"
14:44:08 <procto> "this expression is used in every single tone you can think of except 'sad'"
14:44:31 <lorvax> they only get upset if you leave off the 'esquire' at the end, or the 'professor' at the beginning.
14:44:37 <sbp> .gc "stable Kaye effect cascade"
14:44:38 <phenny> sbp: 14:37Z <nsh> ask sbp why we can't use the translation goodies of frink
14:44:38 <phenny> "stable Kaye effect cascade": 40
14:44:44 <sbp> nsh: didn't even know it had translation goodies!
14:44:56 <sbp> not sure why it doesn't work, if the interface is as you used it
14:45:09 <sbp> perhaps you'd like to debug calc.py
14:45:14 <sbp> I certainly will not, because I hate programming
14:45:46 <xover> Don't worry, the feeling is mutual.
14:45:53 <sbp> only in Soviet Russia
14:46:00 <xover> Right.
14:46:17 <nsh> think does a gazillianface things: http://futureboy.us/frinkdocs/
14:46:48 <nsh> .calc factor[31337]
14:46:50 <phenny> factor[31337] = [[31337, 1]]
14:46:56 <sbp> historical buying power: cool
14:47:22 <sbp> 31337 is a prime?
14:47:36 <_bjoern> Almost one month now without Dell E news.
14:47:53 <nsh> it's the primest of the prime
14:47:56 <chandler> did they ever say which keyboard design they were using?
14:47:58 <sbp> (happened.)
14:48:03 <nsh> so is another leet number, but i can't remember which
14:48:14 <_bjoern> Some yet to be completed f-key-less one?
14:48:26 <clsn> If pi is so cool how come it isn't prime?
14:48:48 <_bjoern> it's prime under most rounding schemes.
14:49:07 <clsn> Kind of like: If thinking is so important, how much does it weigh?
14:49:24 <_bjoern> I wonder about the prime distribution among the fract digits
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14:49:37 <Monty2> Speak of the devil, it's idickinson!
14:51:08 <_bjoern> I just want a ~10", ~ 8GB SSD, ~ 1GB RAM, wlan, ethernet, ~2x usb notebook with an acceptable keyboard, display, and a good battery. FOR CHEAPZ OMG, and in september at the latest.
14:51:57 <xover> So you'll be getting the recently price-cut Macbook Air then?
14:52:20 <chandler> HP mini?
14:52:24 <_bjoern> I actually was on the apple/air site and almost collapsed laughing
14:52:26 <jsled> Eee?
14:52:28 <xover> (they just lopped $500 off the price for the SSD model, for those not obsessively checking rumours sites for iPhone news lately)
14:52:54 <_bjoern> the eee 901 needs to be a bit cheaper for my tastes
14:53:01 <chandler> the nice thing about the Dell is that they're almost sure to use a relatively stock Ubuntu
14:53:34 <lorvax> and the eee (as an owner) leaves a bit to be desired still in the 'keyboard' and 'battery'
14:53:35 <_bjoern> Ubuntu's vendor announced some new netbook version earlier this year I think.
14:53:56 <lorvax> departments. plus, getting ubuntu onto it is a minor thrill.
14:54:02 <chandler> let's not be charitable: the keyboard on the eee sucks. I think I can type faster on my blackberry than on the eee
14:54:06 <_bjoern> the 901/1000 are marketed as 4-8h I think
14:54:17 <lorvax> yeah, 4-8 hours with the LID CLOSED.
14:54:38 <jsled> It sure helps to remap the right shift key on the Eee.
14:54:50 <jsled> But, yeah, it's a compressed keyboard.
14:54:54 <lorvax> ohwait, sorry, mine is the 900, so...maybe the larger ones with bigger batteries do better. Plus, if you actually run the CPU at the quoted speed (instead of clocked DOWN, in the stock config)
14:54:57 <chandler> not sure about the battery life, but the keyboard on the HP mini is supposedly great
14:55:06 <clsn> A compressed keyboard? Does it type in LZW or something?
14:55:19 <lorvax> i wanted an HP mini but I couldn't get one in time for when I needed it, so I got the eee instead.
14:55:19 <_bjoern> the keyboard doesn't, but you better do.
14:56:08 <_bjoern> there are many quite reasonable ones if one'd take a traditional hard drive.
14:57:14 <nsh> ugh
14:57:20 <nsh> i just found the ugliest word in english
14:57:27 <nsh> "liquefacation"
14:57:31 * nsh shudders
14:57:41 <nsh> and apparantly, you can't just correct it to liquification
14:57:51 <nsh> even though the mean the same fucking thing
14:57:51 <clsn> You have an extra a in there don't you?
14:57:55 <clsn> Liquifaction?
14:58:06 * nsh shakes head
14:58:15 <nsh> or, maybe
14:58:20 <Arnia> nshmilkshakeftw
14:58:37 <chandler> .dict liquification
14:58:37 <phenny> chandler: Sorry, no definition found.
14:59:06 <nsh> hmm
14:59:15 <nsh> it's still fugly
14:59:18 <chandler> the title of the fourth hit on Google for liquification is "Re: Diahrrea vs. liquification - problems with Oxy-Powder at Bowel ..."
14:59:19 <clsn> .gcs liquifaction liquefaction liquefacation liquification
14:59:19 <nsh> even with -faction
14:59:22 <phenny> liquefaction (1,110,000), liquification (92,600), liquifaction (28,600), liquefacation (1,810)
15:00:48 <chandler> .gc "the lique faction"
15:00:48 <phenny> "the lique faction": 127
15:01:10 <clsn> and how many of those are typos.
15:04:44 <Arnia> clsn: 'unintentional diachronic language shifts', rather than 'typos'
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15:06:54 <Monty2> howdy, danieljohnlewis
15:08:12 <chandler> googlefail. somehow I expected that Fabric (the club) would show up in the first page of google results for "fabric"
15:08:17 <chandler> it's actually on page 38
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15:27:22 * Arnia waves to tav and danieljohnlewis
15:27:37 <Arnia> Right... just about finished with this application now
15:27:43 <Arnia> fingers crossed
15:27:50 * tav waves back
15:27:53 <tav> application?
15:27:54 <danieljohnlewis> Hi Arnia
15:28:02 <tav> document or software app ?
15:28:55 <Arnia> tav: Given my department's current problems (i.e. the university appears to want us to disappear so are squeezing our budget) they cannot afford to employ me unless funding comes through, which won't be until December or January at least.
15:29:09 <Arnia> tav: so I'm applying to do a four month post-doc at Imperial
15:29:27 <Arnia> Deadline is tomorrow, I'm just finishing the polishing of the CV
15:30:17 <Arnia> Not particularly keen on living or working in London, but at least the project sounds very interesting
15:32:09 <tav> ooooh, we can partay in London!!
15:32:51 <danieljohnlewis> cool... although i'm all the way over in Bristol now... but it'll be cool to meet up with peoples again
15:33:13 <Arnia> tav: indeed... swhackfest 2008
15:34:12 <Arnia> This is the job description: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/employment/research/en20080136
15:34:32 <tav> i just walked through the imperial grounds earlier today
15:34:39 <Arnia> I'm waiting for an email back from someone to see if they can be my third referee
15:34:41 * nsh wonders how long it would take him to raise 160 pounds begging in london
15:34:45 * Arnia hopes
15:35:14 <Arnia> tav: oh? I think that if I were to get this job I'll take my lunch breaks in Hyde Park or the Science Museum
15:36:16 <nsh> .wik Oreilly.com
15:36:18 <phenny> "Jaiku is a social networking, micro-blogging and lifestreaming service comparable to Twitter.[1]| Jaiku was founded in February 2006 by Jyri Engeström[2]| and Petteri Koponen from Finland[3]| and launched in July of that year." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaiku
15:36:47 <Arnia> Hm. I wonder if I should write a book
15:37:10 <Arnia> or rather, whether I should bump my book writing up a few notches in the priority list
15:38:13 <nsh> you should write a house
15:38:22 <Arnia> Can I write you?
15:38:47 <nsh> only in corn syrup
15:38:48 <chandler> Arnia: writing a book about what?
15:38:51 <Arnia> It may complicate copyright somewhat, since I'm not sure whether I or my author would hold it
15:39:50 <Arnia> chandler: the tension between relativist, subjectivist and objectivist models of science and the inadequacies of FOPL and similar classical logics as the basis of normative models of the world
15:40:11 <chandler> interesting
15:40:41 <sbp> dibs on early review
15:41:34 <Arnia> working title is 'Tarski's Tiger'
15:42:27 <sbp> NP: Django's Tiger
15:42:36 <Arnia> ?
15:42:43 <sbp> Now Playing
15:43:04 <Arnia> Ah
15:45:40 <Arnia> sbp: you may have to wait a while until there is a manuscript to review :p
15:46:01 <nsh> what kinda tiger?
15:46:52 <Arnia> An interpretative tiger
15:46:58 <Arnia> Sort of like interpretative dance
15:47:03 <Arnia> but more tigery
15:49:13 <_bjoern> .title http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2257061/Spy-chief-Alex-Allan-found-with-blood-everywhere.html
15:49:19 <phenny> _bjoern: Spy chief Alex Allan found with 'blood everywhere' - Telegraph
15:50:03 <sbp> Tyger Tyger, dancing sprite / In the music of the night / What logician could tame thy might / Or behold thy whirling asymmetry
15:50:57 <_bjoern> .title http://www.newsweek.com/id/144808
15:50:58 <phenny> _bjoern: AP IMPACT: US wavered over S. Korean executions | Newsweek News | Newsweek.com
15:51:04 <nsh> but that does--oooh {{seewhatudidthere}}
15:51:24 <tav> nsh: a friend of mine made about £160 a day doing that
15:51:31 <Arnia> sbp: may I use that as an epigram? :p
15:51:35 <sbp> hehe, sure
15:51:47 <_bjoern> Try doing that in a palindrome
15:51:59 <nsh> tav, any pointers?
15:52:13 <tav> ehm, he used this interesting technique
15:52:14 * nsh wants to fly back to the UK to attend a festival, but can't affort the return flight
15:52:23 <nsh> (fellatio is probably out of the question)
15:52:46 <sbp> alas, poor question. nsh knew him, fellatio
15:52:54 <tav> would point behind people walking with shopping bags -- in an intimation that they had dropped something
15:52:56 <tav> so they stop and look behind them
15:53:02 <_bjoern> .title http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/07/white-house-apo.html
15:53:03 <phenny> _bjoern: White House apologizes for insulting Italian premier in press kit - On Deadline - USATODAY.com
15:53:08 <nsh> oo
15:53:23 <tav> and by the time they turn around, he's in front of them with a flyer for a gallery opening with an african kid smiling on the front of it
15:53:35 * nsh chuckles
15:53:40 <tav> he then collects money for the gallery opening and gives them the flyer as an invite to it
15:53:40 <nsh> i like how this guy operates
15:54:14 <tav> he does spend an afternoon doing the gallery event every few months
15:54:24 <sbp> nsh: imagine how much more you would make if you used an actual african kid
15:54:29 <sbp> you could steal one from somewhere
15:54:30 * nsh ain't judgin'
15:54:38 <nsh> i was thinking, maybe an african puppy..
15:54:39 <tav> but given how much he makes -- it mainly goes towards his living expenses until that period
15:54:47 <sbp> good idea. just waggle it at passers by from time to time
15:54:50 <sbp> and stick our your hand
15:55:07 <nsh> *opens palms* ahem, puppy...
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15:55:14 <nsh> *collects money*
15:55:17 <sbp> an african puppy whose farts heal the hole on the ozone layer
15:55:25 <sbp> s/on/in/
15:55:39 <nsh> bubonically
15:55:43 <sbp> and used to belong to one of Princess Di's maids
15:56:31 <chandler> who is also the heir of a deposed african king and is seeking to transfer FOURTEEN MILLION DOLLARS (£160) to the UK
15:56:39 <sbp> heh!
15:56:53 * tav pimps his new blog -- http://purl.org/asktav
15:56:59 <Arnia> You're optimistic if you think you'll get £160 for fourteen million dollars
15:57:15 <sbp> presumably he meant Canadian Dollars
15:57:31 <sbp> lvl 638
15:57:45 <Arnia> DAT IS 16CADPLZ
15:57:46 * nsh fears lvl 638 canadians
15:58:10 <nsh> they must have like +6 propriety
15:58:15 <sbp> tav: hmm, can't connect to pleinair.googlecode.com
15:58:17 <chandler> I'm just fantasizing about the shape of my bank account compared to all you rich yerpeans
15:58:26 <nsh> oooo
15:58:29 <tav> hmz, sbp, works here
15:58:38 <nsh> wrkshar2
15:58:40 <sbp> .head http://purl.org/asktav
15:58:44 <phenny> sbp: 302, text/html, iso-8859-1
15:58:47 <sbp> .head http://purl.org/asktav Location
15:58:49 <phenny> Location: http://pleinair.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/documentation/asktav/articles/index
15:58:51 <tav> .head http://pleinair.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/documentation/asktav/articles/index
15:58:53 <phenny> tav: 200, text/html, 2008-07-07 16:20:25 UTC, 96516 bytes
15:58:56 <sbp> hmm
15:59:05 <nsh> u is has fail simply
15:59:14 <sbp> my stupid connection must indeed be being an arse of arses
15:59:19 * nsh nods
15:59:27 <nsh> chandler, is it a sharp kiki shape
15:59:27 <tav> mmmmm, an arse of arses
15:59:36 <nsh> or more of a blunted bobu shape?
16:00:03 <sbp> [[[
16:00:04 <sbp> An ancient tablet shows the idea of the resurrection of a messiah after three days was part of Jewish tradition before Jesus's birth, it is claimed.
16:00:04 <sbp> The theory has been proposed by Israel Knohl, a professor of biblical studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem.
16:00:04 <sbp> His reading of the Hebrew text raises questions about when the concept of a resurrected messiah first emerged.
16:00:10 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7495006.stm
16:00:31 <nsh> uh
16:00:34 <tav> hmz, isn't that common knowledge ?
16:00:41 <nsh> clue: long time ago, idiot
16:00:53 <tav> nsh?
16:01:00 <nsh> talking to professor Knohl
16:01:12 <nsh> resurrection myth is ancient man
16:01:21 <nsh> like, preliterate kind of ancient
16:01:41 <sbp> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Firstblast.jpg
16:02:44 <nsh> deja vu
16:02:51 <nsh> .gs monstrous regiment of *
16:02:53 <phenny> monstrous regiment of *: women (30), woman (4), liturgical divas (3), arthurs (3), women laurie (2), women dvd (2), wome (2), womanhood (2), wo (2), reviewers (2)
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16:06:39 <clsn> Hmm... I have a book of Ada Yardeni's; she knows her Hebrew alphabets.
16:06:54 <clsn> Where can I find the alleged text of the tablet I wonder? A scan would be even better.
16:10:21 <procto> I want to stab bbc reporters
16:10:23 <procto> so many times
16:10:28 <procto> until they are but a sieve
16:10:34 <_bjoern> mutual.
16:10:37 <procto> perhaps then they will be of some use
16:11:49 <nslater> tav: you're running your blog out of google code? heh
16:12:07 <procto> nsh: this Israel Knohl guy has this book out: The Messiah before Jesus, The University of California Press, Berkeley, 2000, 145 pp
16:12:22 <tav> nslater: yes ;p
16:12:54 <tav> free hosting!
16:12:55 <procto> oonly a little of it is on google books, alas
16:14:02 <clsn> Has it got a picture of the text of this tablet thingy at least? I couldn't find one so far on google images.
16:14:02 <sbp> pseudohistory is so yellow pressed it's unreal
16:14:08 <sbp> never happens to pseudoscience
16:14:21 <sbp> (or: very rarely)
16:14:42 <procto> clsn: searching for "knohl gabriel" on google books shows that that particular page in the book is restricted
16:14:43 <lorvax> right. NOBODY self-publishes cold fusion books, evar!
16:14:58 <sbp> eh?
16:15:06 <procto> clsn: and I can't find a mention of that tablet in the publications list on his site
16:15:06 <sbp> self-publishing != yellow press
16:15:13 <sbp> .wik Yellow press
16:15:14 <lorvax> oh sorry, misinterpret.
16:15:14 <phenny> "Yellow journalism is a pejorative reference to journalism that features sex scandals, scandal-mongering, sensationalism, or other unethical or unprofessional practices by news media organizations or journalists." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_press
16:15:15 <procto> clsn: then I could maybe have a go at the brandeis databases
16:15:17 <clsn> Grumble.
16:15:34 <procto> oh! I think brandeis connects to the hebrew univ
16:15:43 * procto goes too look
16:17:52 <procto> hmm, I might be able to access full text of that book...
16:18:04 <clsn> woo...
16:18:36 <procto> haha yeah right... it's a review
16:18:38 <sbp> .wik Monstrous Regiment of Women
16:18:40 <clsn> *shrug* I also don't see why this is such a big deal. Resurrected saviors are old as the hills. Every pantheon had a bunch of *gods* who came back from the dead.
16:18:40 <phenny> "Monstrous regiment, or monstrous regiment of women are phrases which have become notorious; they are borrowed from the title of a work by the Scot John Knox, published in 1558, The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Blast_of_the_Trumpet_Against_the_Monstrous_Regiment_of_Women
16:19:01 <clsn> Dionysus, Horus, Attis...
16:19:31 <procto> yeah
16:19:46 * nsh shoots a frightened look at clsn, fearing that he is casting spells
16:19:48 <clsn> 3 days after being killed is a little more specific, but also not surprising.
16:20:04 <clsn> I don't remember if Mithras was killed and resurrected...
16:20:23 <nsh> .gc mithras resurrected
16:20:24 <phenny> mithras resurrected: 49,900
16:21:02 * Arnia kills a badger
16:21:09 <clsn> Bah. Mithras killed a bull.
16:21:20 * nsh reads http://othello.alma.edu/~07tmhopk/mithra.html
16:21:24 <nsh> prepares for luls
16:21:29 <sbp> the big deal is over the context
16:21:29 <clsn> ISTR Mithras' birthday was December 25.
16:21:48 <sbp> you're more likely to adapt specific stories from your own immediate cultural literary background
16:22:01 <sbp> and if there are features of correspondance like the messiahship and three days...
16:22:17 <procto> Hadad was ressurected
16:22:27 <clsn> Hey, looks right. But the page is correct that Dec 25 is not a Biblical date anyway.
16:22:34 <clsn> sbp: true...
16:22:40 <nsh> "I suppose technically the rock could be considered a virgin, but it's a bit of a stretch."
16:22:48 <nsh> wins points for that
16:22:56 <sbp> I've read somewhere that there's a good parallel to the beatitudes in the late BC decades
16:23:05 <sbp> from the Dead Sea Scrolls in fact, I think
16:23:27 <nsh> of course, i think this person is debunking claims that were stupid to begin with
16:23:56 <clsn> But still, suggesting that christianity is based on pagan/jewish ideas from around the time is also not new.
16:23:58 <procto> clsn: googling for "gabriel revelation" gives good results
16:24:03 <clsn> Argh, gotta go...
16:24:06 <clsn> procto: thanks.
16:24:47 <nsh> http://othello.alma.edu/~07tmhopk/culttest.html
16:24:49 <nsh> ROFL
16:24:59 <procto> basically, looks like there's a word that says something like "I am gabrial [...] in three days"
16:25:08 <procto> and he claims that [...] = "khaye"
16:25:10 <procto> or some such
16:25:14 <procto> it's basically smudged out
16:25:22 <procto> and they're arguing about what it could be
16:25:36 <sbp> ah, 4Q525
16:25:55 * nsh tries to work out how Catholicism (which is apparantly not Christianity) fails on the Cruxifiction
16:26:40 <nsh> i guess in the same manner as Lutheranism
16:26:46 <procto> clsn: ftp://tichonadmin:tichonadmin@80.179.136.36/site/Israel_Knohl_on_Hazon_Gabriel.pdf
16:26:50 <procto> this has text from the tablet
16:26:57 <procto> and his specific analysis of Hazon Gabriel
16:27:15 * nsh realises domain
16:27:24 <nsh> hopes sincerely that alma.edu is a theological college
16:27:38 <nsh> .wik Alma college
16:27:40 <phenny> "Alma College is a selective, private, liberal arts college located in the small city of Alma in the U.S. state of Michigan." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma_College
16:27:43 <clsn> Catholicism mandates various "good works", and so fails the author's "nothing need be added" test.
16:27:48 <nslater> does anyone know a good email2feed service?
16:28:05 <clsn> procto: thnxmuch
16:28:12 <procto> the phrase is "lisheleshet yamin [...] ani gabriel"
16:28:16 <nsh> clsn, pretty specious reasoning. the gospel advocates good works in several places...
16:28:19 * sbp wonders if nsh is a cult by this test
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16:28:40 <nsh> i think i'm more of a shadowy organisation
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16:29:12 <procto> and hazon gabriel as "ephraim son of joseph"
16:29:15 <procto> has*
16:29:16 <sbp> nsh: see http://othello.alma.edu/~07tmhopk/catholicism.html
16:29:16 <procto> as the messiah
16:29:24 <sbp> "Why is Catholicism a cult?"
16:29:29 * nsh just checkxoring
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16:29:55 <procto> oh dang the phrase is this actually:
16:30:03 <nsh> wtf
16:30:15 <nsh> presbyterians don't believe in immaculate conception?!?
16:30:21 <procto> "lishloshet yamin [...], ani gabriel, go[...] al[...]
16:30:23 <procto> "
16:30:26 <nsh> and catholics don't believe mary had other children?!?
16:30:27 <nsh> wtf
16:30:30 <procto> and he wants it to say:
16:30:49 <nsh> i'm pretty sure i've read a catholic bible that with the gospel of "James, brother of Jesus"
16:31:04 <procto> "lishloshet yamin khaye, ani gabrial, gozer alekha" (I'm using modern hebrew transliteration)
16:31:10 <procto> gabriel*
16:31:14 <sbp> nsh: yeah, but there's all kinds of crap about this
16:31:27 <procto> that is "by threee days, live, I Gabriel command you"
16:31:28 <nsh> whoa
16:31:30 <procto> speeeeculative
16:31:32 <nsh> apparantly, they're right
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16:31:58 <nsh> http://www.catholic.com/library/Bad_Aramaic_Made_Easy.asp
16:32:12 <nsh> or not, i was reading from the box on googlescrape, which is apparantly not the page's position
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16:32:53 <sbp> .title http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02767a.htm
16:32:53 <phenny> sbp: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Brethren of the Lord
16:34:46 <nsh> fuck this
16:34:52 <_bjoern> k
16:34:57 <nsh> nutters..
16:35:06 * nsh heads home before head as plode
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16:35:44 <sbp> this is one of the reasonably straightforwarder debates... :-)
16:35:55 <_bjoern> .title http://www.marshallislandsjournal.com/RMI%20Emergency%20Proclamation.htm
16:35:56 <phenny> _bjoern: PROCLAMATION
16:37:26 * _bjoern . o O { should write comment mails in the style } O o .
16:37:29 <Morbus> .c 57862/2167475*100
16:37:29 <phenny> (57 862 / 2 167 475) * 100 = 2.6695579
16:37:39 <sbp> hehe
16:37:43 <_bjoern> Your score is not improving much Morbus
16:37:48 <sbp> WHEREAS your specification sucks.
16:37:53 <thelsdj> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/123-LEGO-Indy
16:37:56 <Morbus> _bjoern: i've reached the threshold of all the other achievemnet whores.
16:37:57 <_bjoern> I thought you ought to be like 50.0 by now
16:37:57 <sbp> WHEREAS it has several hundred errors.
16:38:04 <sbp> I DECLARE a state of specificational emergency.
16:38:08 <Morbus> unless I start playing five hours a day, it'll be hard to make any leeway.
16:38:13 <Morbus> (nb. i can't play five hours a day)
16:38:22 <_bjoern> pity!
16:38:27 <jsled> I was surprised you only have two trophies, Morbus.
16:38:34 <_bjoern> The kids in Southpark managed.
16:38:36 <Morbus> jsled: i have 9.
16:38:40 <jsled> What?
16:38:48 <Morbus> jsled: lack of internet access, and now a broken update, wont let me upload the rest.
16:38:49 <_bjoern> testicles.
16:39:02 <Morbus> a) my cable modem was friend, b) now the ps3 won't download 2.4.1, so i can't get back on.
16:39:07 <Morbus> *fried.
16:39:10 <Morbus> not friend. wtf.
16:39:15 <jsled> Boo.
16:39:25 <_bjoern> That attitude is what fried it.
16:39:34 <Morbus> yeah, so dunno what the hell is going on. it JUST came out yesterday, so maybe i'm hitting some busyness issues.
16:39:36 <jsled> I can now see why SSDHD is rated so highly.
16:39:36 <Morbus> but, a bit annoying.
16:39:54 <Morbus> i just tried it again this morning and still failure.
16:40:02 <Morbus> connection to the update server could not be established.
16:40:12 <Morbus> recreated internet settings, tested connection, complains about lack of update, blah blah.
16:40:29 * Morbus likes the LEGO games, btw, thelsdj
16:40:54 <thelsdj> yea i'm sure i would too, but just can't be bothered
16:41:42 <nsh> .title http://www.swrb.com/newslett/actualNLs/firblast.htm
16:41:43 <phenny> nsh: The First Blast of the Trumpet (1558) by John Knox
16:41:51 * nsh can't help but read it in a scottish accent
16:41:51 <_bjoern> "Bikini appeal - Oral arguments in the Bikini nuclear compensation appeal have been set for August 7 in Washington, DC. The Bikinians are appealing the dismissal earlier this year of their billion-dollar claim against the United States for damages from the 23 nuclear tests conducted on the atoll."
16:41:54 <nsh> a broad one at that
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16:42:32 <_bjoern> They also have a food crisis there
16:42:52 <thelsdj> I'm still working my way through listening to mp3s of people playing 'The World's Largest Dungeon'
16:43:45 <sbp> argh, my connection sucks
16:43:47 <sbp> nothing works!
16:44:11 <_bjoern> Use the logs for reading, and lisppaste for posting.
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16:44:39 <sbp> many domains are uncontactable via http, I mean
16:44:44 <sbp> AKA NOTHING WORKS
16:44:51 <sbp> can't even load ZP
16:44:55 <nsh> tried reversing the polarity?
16:45:00 <sbp> YES
16:45:07 <nsh> perhaps a phased tachyon burst?
16:45:07 <_bjoern> Damn, usually that works.
16:45:07 <sbp> oh. it's working now
16:45:08 <sbp> cool
16:45:10 <nsh> sweet
16:45:20 <_bjoern> Ha, I knew it couldn't fail!
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16:48:36 <nsh> man
16:48:43 <nsh> this Knox guy knew how to write for a bigot
16:50:09 <sbp> wow, that was one of the best ZPs in ages
16:50:14 <sbp> even though the credits jumped the shark
16:50:32 * Arnia reverses the polarity of nsh's neutron flow
16:50:42 <Arnia> The Johnny Neutron Flow Effect
16:51:28 <_bjoern> .gc xkcdpedia
16:51:29 <phenny> xkcdpedia: 0
16:51:42 <sbp> nsh: someone should've made Thatcher read this
16:52:07 <nsh> for realz
16:52:10 <nsh> in fact
16:52:15 <nsh> i might tape myself reading it
16:52:17 <_bjoern> We did, but youtube removed the vidz
16:52:21 <nsh> and send it to her
16:52:54 <_bjoern> "This is a job for ASL !!! For ASL, it is a trivial case of mutual-exclusion." - xml-dev.
16:53:11 <sbp> asl?
16:53:17 <nsh> {!}
16:53:20 <_bjoern> nu
16:53:27 <nsh> ZPs?
16:53:34 <_bjoern> 17/f/zp
16:53:48 <sbp> <thelsdj> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/123-LEGO-Indy
16:53:49 <sbp> = ZP
16:53:56 <nsh> oh, sweet
16:54:06 * nsh prepares for awesome
16:54:06 * nslater ^5's n5h
16:54:07 <n5h> last page of results or whatever.
16:55:23 <_bjoern> Demnark leading european race to recession, apparently.
16:56:02 <sbp> they're trying to make up for not qualifying for Euro 2008
16:56:07 <sbp> we're second in the race, I'll bet
16:57:44 <_bjoern> hmm 27 000 billion usd in credits considered at risk.
17:00:29 <nsh> <<LOVE>>
17:00:57 <nsh> there's got to be some way of leveraging the awesomeness of Yahtzee to save world geopolitics and the global economy
17:01:15 <nsh> ah.. but a greater mind than i would have to devise it
17:01:26 <nsh> anyways, i really go now
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17:01:39 <_bjoern> It's okay, we have n5h to keep us company.
17:01:41 <n5h> a segway. the dhs has a good idea. to put articles. on seven.
17:01:50 <_bjoern> Lately telling the two apart has become real hard.
17:02:19 <_bjoern> n5h I doubt the dhs would be the one devising it.
17:02:20 <n5h> aha. not if you download it into an existing idea.
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17:07:24 <Arnia> .title http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/education/2261307/Toddlers-who-dislike-spicy-food-racist,-say-report.html
17:07:27 <phenny> Arnia: Toddlers who dislike spicy food racist, say report - Telegraph
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17:09:59 <_bjoern> .wik John Maynard Keynes
17:10:00 <phenny> "John Maynard Keynes, 1st Baron Keynes CB (pronounced /ˈkeɪnz/ 'cains') (5 June 1883 – 21 April 1946) was a British economist whose ideas, called Keynesian economics, had a major impact on modern economic and political theory as well as on many governments' fiscal [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes
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17:28:32 <Monty2> hi Morbus, how ya doing?
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17:42:59 <nsh> peanuts: never enough
17:44:26 <nslater> this is amazing: http://www.eppendorf.com/int/hawkpopup.php?contentid=13
17:44:36 <nslater> best science related tool advert, ever
17:45:31 <nsh> whoa, that's a pretty hefty claim there, son
17:45:48 <nslater> well, please validate it and report back
17:46:30 <nsh> hahaha
17:46:50 <nsh> that bint looks slightly afraid
17:46:57 <sbp> she does!
17:46:59 <nsh> of the imaginary people in the greenroom
17:46:59 <nslater> also, hawt
17:47:24 <sbp> say, bint is quite a derogotory term for females don't you think?
17:47:33 <nslater> very
17:47:37 <nsh> it's a term of endearment for nsh
17:47:40 <sbp> hehe
17:47:53 <nsh> only the bintiest get bintheld for binthood
17:47:54 <sbp> .ety bint
17:47:55 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "bint". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=bint
17:47:59 <nsh> the competition is pretty fierce
17:48:03 <nsh> lemmetellya
17:48:12 <nslater> ill tell you what though, i want an epmotion, and i dont even pipet anything
17:48:36 <nsh> bint is an arabic patronym apprantly
17:48:39 <nsh> from 'daughter/girl'
17:48:59 <nsh> "Usage varies from the harsh 'bitch', to only a slightly derogatory, almost affectionate, term for a young woman. The latter being associated more with usage in the West Midlands. The term was used in British armed forces and the London area synonymously with (the slang meaning of) 'bird' from at least the 1950s."
17:48:59 <nslater> .g bint urban dictionary
17:49:00 <phenny> nslater: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bint
17:49:52 <nsh> internet dictionary contributors are just angsty and mysogenistic
17:49:58 <nsh> misogynistic
17:50:06 <nsh> onadem
17:50:41 <nsh> as is clearly evidenced by the examples on that def...
17:51:37 <nsh> lols @ "oh shit, i forgot to take out the bin[t]" --"your mum's a bint"
17:52:13 * nsh commits this to permanent memory-readiness for future
17:52:35 <Arnia> This looks like a nice idea: http://www.ayluro.com/corkboard/
17:52:59 * nsh still has no idea what epMotion is
17:53:19 <nslater> nsh: it motions your eps
17:53:28 <nsh> shit, there's a meteor heading for all the not-actually-singing boys!!
17:53:46 * zachb start singing
17:53:49 <nsh> that advert was 60% randomass pointing by weight
17:53:50 <nslater> Arnia: cant you do that with snippets?
17:54:13 <nsh> wtf
17:54:24 <nsh> the brochure for *just* epMotion is 1mb
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17:54:39 <nsh> do we get backstories for the boys and lab girl or somethinng?
17:54:56 <Arnia> nslater: you can do the same function, but not in such an easy tounderstand way
17:55:12 <nslater> sure
17:55:49 <nsh> We've all made that mistake: cut something important so we can move it, and then accidentally copy something else to the clipboard. It's an unfortunate song we've been dancing to for over twenty years. Corkboard helps you break the rhythm.
17:56:05 <nsh> for a millisecond there, i was actually half-expecting a song about losing things in the clipboard
17:56:15 <nsh> now i am slightly disappointed
17:56:17 <Arnia> nsh: you've been corrupted by epMotion
17:56:20 <nsh> and will write to express this sentiment
17:56:26 <nsh> Arnia, it's true
17:56:29 <nslater> [[[
17:56:31 <nslater> Strict rules govern student life at BJU. [120] Some of these are based directly on the University's interpretation of the Bible. For instance, the 2005-06 Day Student Handbook states, "Loyalty to Christ results in separated living. Dishonesty, lewdness, sensual behavior, adultery, homosexuality, sexual perversion of any kind, pornography, illegal use of drugs, and drunkenness—all are clearly condemned by God's word and prohibited here." Grounds ...
17:56:37 <nslater> ... for immediate dismissal include stealing, immorality (including sexual relations between unmarried students), possession of hard-core pornography, use of alcohol or drugs, and participating in a public demonstration for a cause the University opposes.[121] Similar moral failures are grounds for terminating the employment of faculty and staff. In 1998, a homosexual alumnus was threatened with arrest if he visited the campus.
17:56:43 <nslater> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University#Student_rules
17:56:46 <nslater> whaaa
17:57:03 <nsh> good luck with those
17:57:17 <Arnia> nslater: usability of functions >> numbers of functions
17:57:18 <nslater> the thing that worries me the most is the "participating in a public demonstration for a cause the University opposes" bit
17:57:22 <nsh> aye
17:57:24 <deltab> especially given the acronym
17:57:24 <nslater> sure
17:57:48 <Arnia> ooh, I like the colour data type renderer
17:57:50 <Arnia> Pretty
17:57:56 <nslater> is it legal to ban homosexuality in universities? thats mental
17:58:12 <sbp> "university"
17:58:16 <nslater> "DVD/VCRs are not allowed in residence halls; DVD players on computers cannot be used for watching films. Televisions may be used only as monitors to play video games."
17:58:19 <nslater> wtf
17:58:37 <nslater> "Residence hall students are forbidden to go to movie theaters or, when visiting local homes, to watch any films with a rating higher than a G rating."
17:59:10 <zachb> Hah!
17:59:20 <nslater> wow, you're not allowed to have an unfiltered email acount... anywhere, even at home, if you are a student
17:59:29 <zachb> Wow
17:59:40 <zachb> "Televisions may be used only as monitors to play video games.", wait WHAT?
17:59:56 <Arnia> Is it legal in the US to sign away certain granted human rights?
18:00:03 * Arnia tries to remember if it is legal here
18:00:08 <nsh> not
18:00:08 <nslater> but only if they are not " rated T, M, Ao, or E10 or that include profanity, sensual or suggestive dress, rock music, graphic violence, or demonic theme"
18:00:12 <nsh> but it's uh
18:00:12 <nslater> "rock music"
18:00:15 <nsh> complicated, iirc
18:00:18 <Arnia> I know you cannot agree to GBH
18:00:24 <nsh> nor slavery, etc.
18:00:30 <zachb> Arnia: yes
18:00:34 <nslater> Arnia: what about boxing, etc?
18:00:34 <Arnia> because if you did you'd be mad, and therefore couldn't agree
18:00:44 <zachb> or at least some of them
18:01:37 <zachb> "Students may not listen to country, jazz, New Age, rock, or contemporary Christian music."
18:01:45 <Arnia> nslater: dunno... but there was a famous case here where a couple were prosecuted for GBH by the crown because of some quite extreme sex acts involving nailing of penises etc
18:01:46 <nslater> waaaaa
18:01:48 <zachb> RAP!
18:01:58 <zachb> Arnia: wow
18:02:00 <sbp> sure this isn't a parody article? check the history?
18:02:22 <nslater> yeah, made me think of the self mutilation side of various subcultures...
18:02:35 <Arnia> nslater: the judge ruled that if someone were to consent to such an act then they'd fulfil the test for insanity, and therefore couldn't legally offer consent
18:02:38 <zachb> "Socks are required at all times."
18:02:47 <nslater> sbp: check the talk page... doesnt look like a parody
18:03:07 <zachb> sbp: did you read it? Its some uber-xtan school
18:03:08 <Arnia> nslater: which is a marvellous thing in my opinion... a real example of Catch-22
18:03:16 <sbp> "Socks are required at all times."
18:03:18 * Arnia hums the epMotion song
18:03:26 <Arnia> Good grief... you're a sod nslater
18:03:31 <sbp> oh, you just quoted that
18:03:39 <nslater> sorry! hehe
18:04:14 <zachb> Bob Jones University (BJU) is a private, Protestant Fundamentalist, liberal arts university
18:04:19 <zachb> err... quote that
18:04:45 <sbp> it'd be interesting to visit this place for a few days
18:04:50 <zachb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University#Science -- ha! read that!
18:05:37 <nslater> erm...
18:06:16 <nslater> ... on the talk page, apparently because the bible forbids homosexuality then discriminating based on it is not homophobic or negative because it's a religion. man do I hate arguments like that
18:07:11 <Arnia> Hah, a history entry for that article: 'the anonymous editor mistook WP for a blog'
18:07:15 <Arnia> Easy mistake to make
18:07:22 <nslater> hehe
18:08:07 <Arnia> nslater: well, in a sense it is correct. It is just as offensive for me to impose my morals on them as it is for them to impose theirs on myself
18:08:37 <nslater> would you not say that ANY form of discrimination is negative?
18:08:42 <deltab> fans of Arrested Development may recognise http://bjumg.org/events/livinggallery.htm
18:08:46 <Arnia> nslater: and you're slightly misrepresenting what the talk page says; which is that it isn't *active* discrimination. They're not forcing people who do not join to live by those rules
18:09:05 <nsh> mmm
18:09:08 <Arnia> nslater: I'd say that it is too tricky to generalise actually
18:09:20 <nsh> but there are forcing people who won't live by those rules not to join
18:09:41 <nsh> which is discrimination if the rules can be held to be unreasonable for an average person
18:09:43 <Arnia> nsh: yeah, well there will always be someone who is offended no matter what the moral codes at stake are
18:09:48 <nslater> I just find it annoying when people hide behind "it's a relgion" as the justification for some action
18:09:51 * nsh nods
18:10:00 <nsh> which is why reasonablility is determined by precident
18:10:34 <Arnia> nslater: I find it just as offensive when people hide behind any philosophy to justify imposing their world view on others. At least be honest and admit that it is because you're human ;)
18:10:45 <nslater> if "it's a religion" is valid, it should be as valid as me saying "it's just the way I feel" - and I doubt the latter would be able to get me out of as many things as the former
18:10:52 <Arnia> But I'm not going to offend any of you by imposing that on others
18:10:56 <Arnia> or you
18:11:03 <Arnia> eh... I need to wake up
18:11:51 <Arnia> nslater: possibly... but on the other hand religion does mean more than just a passing fancy. It means that the belief resonates with your moral code
18:12:06 <nslater> it's not the hiding behind stuff that upsets me really, we all do, it's that the word "religion" is like a special ticket that society gives people - one that is WAY more powerful than just saying it's some personal idea
18:12:15 <nsh> moral codes are encultured
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18:12:25 <Arnia> nslater: and I think forcing people to do and think things against their morals is offensive. Debating the morals is fine, but don't denigrate or push other morals on them
18:12:36 <nsh> (to the extent that they are not instinctive emotional reflexes)
18:12:39 <nslater> of course, we are in agreement
18:12:49 <Arnia> nslater: well, I'm not sure we are
18:13:03 <jsled> So, should a pharmacist refuse to fill a prescription for emergency birth control if they don't agree with it?
18:13:16 <procto> coercion is the sticking point, imo
18:13:20 <nslater> Arnia: I am sure there are MANY areas we are not, but on that one point I think we are
18:13:21 <procto> hold whatever views you want
18:13:25 <procto> and act however you want
18:13:27 <Arnia> jsled: yes. They should then be liable to be sacked
18:13:31 <procto> as long as you do not use them in a coercive manner
18:13:52 <procto> jsled: they should be allowed to, as long as there is an alternative pharmacist who wouldn't refuse
18:14:13 <nslater> I recently read about asian medical students in the uk refusing to bear there forarms in surgery because it was against there religion...
18:14:41 <nslater> and my opionion on that is that they shouldn't be surgeons then!
18:14:46 <jsled> ("their", in both cases.)
18:14:57 <nslater> jsled: yeah, you get used to my mistakes :p
18:15:05 <jsled> I'll look forward to that.
18:15:09 <nslater> k
18:15:09 <jsled> :)
18:15:13 <nsh> you should get used to not making them :-)
18:15:18 <Arnia> nu
18:15:19 <nsh> but i agree with your sentiment
18:15:25 <nslater> nsh: OGM TELL THAT TO MY DYSLEXIA D00D!
18:15:27 <jsled> Where did spellbot go, anways.
18:15:32 <nsh> pft
18:15:33 <_bjoern> [[[
18:15:34 <_bjoern> <Y> What is SBP?
18:15:34 * _bjoern confused whether he got the right channel, scrolls up, oddly the answer preceded the question
18:15:34 <_bjoern> <X> I'd like to try and replace SSI by our "SBP" (Script-Based Publishing), so files are expanded on CVS checkin, rather than on HTTP GET.
18:15:34 <_bjoern> ]]] -- elsewhere.
18:15:55 <nslater> _bjoern: did you just break YOUR OWN quotes?
18:16:07 <nsh> dylexia is made-up, like those allegations which in no way contributed to my changing country of residence
18:16:10 <_bjoern> it's not been broken!
18:16:19 <nslater> not in YOUR client! :p
18:16:23 <nslater> nsh: nu
18:16:37 <Arnia> The problem is that humans are too inflexible to deal with clashes of cultural values. That isn't a value judgement either; the inflexibility has a good reason for existing otherwise we'd all be flighty and unable to commit to anything (yay cognitive trade-offs)
18:17:34 <Arnia> It just that one of the side-effects is that you get problems when you have a lot of cultural movement and overlapping communities which have areas of disagreement
18:17:41 <nslater> when it comes to doctors refusing to follow proper hygenic procedure because it "goes against thier religion" I think the solution to the clash is pretty darn obvious
18:18:01 <nsh> nslater is right
18:18:24 <nsh> there's no excuse for being a dick, according to be reified-as-objective assessment of propriety
18:18:27 <Arnia> nslater: there will likely be a compromise, such as lint-free clean gowns. Now think why you react so sharply
18:18:28 <nsh> *to my
18:18:50 <Arnia> nslater: it is exactly the same reaction as that which you accuse them of
18:19:03 <Arnia> nslater: just towards *your* morals and judgements
18:19:09 <nslater> Arnia: I react sharply because I don't want me or people I care about to die because of some infection because of some doctore who was too modest to show a bit of skin in the operating room
18:19:17 <_bjoern> 150 EUR for 22" TFTs nowadays I take it
18:19:22 * Arnia finds it an amusing pass time to step outside himself
18:19:25 <nsh> be less relativist, Arnia; it's not a good look for you.
18:19:40 <nsh> some things are actually stupid
18:19:56 <nsh> like tying your shoelaces together and trying to run hurdles
18:20:26 <Arnia> nsh: no, what I'm questioning is the immediate solidification of position on nslater's part
18:20:28 <nsh> if you can't accept the existence of objective stupidity, then nothing is construcible
18:20:35 <nslater> I dunno, it seems as absurd as a fashion model who refuses to take of her burqa
18:20:51 <nsh> Arnia, i see where you're coming from
18:20:54 <nsh> just seems like a stretch
18:21:09 <Arnia> nsh: namely, rather than questioning if a compromise is possible, some position acceptable to both, he immediately reverts to stark defence of his position
18:21:24 <nsh> the question pertains not to the possiblity of compromise, but to is necessity
18:21:26 <nsh> *its
18:21:30 <Arnia> nsh: which is pretty much what he is against
18:21:49 <Arnia> nsh: if no compromise is possible, then fine... but usually some is
18:21:49 <nslater> but why compromise over health and safty?
18:21:59 <Arnia> nslater: wrong sense of compromise
18:22:11 <nsh> pragmatically, compromise may be simpler than education
18:22:17 <nsh> but that doesn't obliviate the stupidity of ignorance
18:22:22 <Arnia> nslater: it isn't about 'weakening', but about 'finding a position acceptable to both parties'
18:22:25 <nslater> sure, sorry for messing my words up... what I meant is, I should imagine a compromise on practice would have some knock on effect as to it's effectiveness
18:22:44 * nsh goes to help a stupid moth understand curtains
18:22:50 <nslater> heh
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18:23:39 <Arnia> nslater: but do you know? This is the thing, we naturally assume that if a position is against our position then any deviation from our position is dangerous
18:23:49 <Arnia> nslater: we're built like that... have to laugh really
18:24:05 <nsh> everyone believes they're right
18:24:11 <nsh> that doesn't stop the ones who are right from being right
18:24:14 <Arnia> nslater: thing is, the person you're arguing against will be thinking exactly the same things. It is why good diplomats are so hard to find
18:24:23 <nsh> there's no incompatibility between belief and fact
18:24:24 <nslater> sure, I see what you're saying...
18:24:27 <Arnia> nsh: but who is right? And according to which standard?
18:24:34 <Arnia> nsh: there is not fact :p
18:24:38 <nsh> meh
18:24:48 <nsh> tell that to the shoelace hurdler
18:24:49 <Arnia> nsh: there is evidence, but no incontrovertible truth
18:24:58 <nsh> pft
18:25:09 <nsh> you're just infected
18:25:23 <Arnia> and no matter how good your evidence is, it may still be wrong because you're not omniscient
18:25:29 <nslater> Arnia: I've never met someone so skilled at convincing me that I'm not as right as I think I am (I hestate to use the "wrong") :p
18:25:38 <Arnia> More to the point, you're not living in a static, finished world
18:25:42 <Arnia> Wouldn't that be boring?
18:25:49 <clsn> "bint" is cognate to Hebrew "bat", which lost the "n" due to assimilation.
18:25:56 <nsh> sweet
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18:26:24 <Arnia> nslater: I'
