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03:03:03 <kpreid> Arnia: Whoa. Someone wrote the software I didn't.
03:03:08 <kpreid> Arnia: (UbiGraph)
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03:12:42 <Arnia> kpreid: hm?
03:14:24 <kpreid> I wanted something like that, and started to write it
03:17:33 <Arnia> Hah: http://www.seydesign.com/themes/Tagg/
03:17:41 <kpreid> But never finished, adding style, good layout, deleting nodes, decent performance, and so on
03:17:43 <Arnia> (click and view the header)
03:17:56 <Arnia> kpreid: fair enough
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05:32:28 <jsled> [[[
05:32:39 <jsled> [<sarcaasm>We software developers, understanding the software as we do, find it easy to look down upon those who lack our understanding.
05:32:47 <jsled> [</sarcasm>]
05:32:58 <jsled> This is wrong.
05:32:58 <jsled> Users aren’t dumb. They just have better things to do with their lives than memorizing the internal data model of our screwy software.
05:32:58 <jsled> When software is hard to use, don’t make excuses for it. Improve it.
05:32:58 <jsled> When a user makes a mistake, don’t blame the user. Ask how the software misled them. Then fix it.
05:32:58 <jsled> The user’s time is more valuable than ours. Respect it.
05:32:59 <jsled> Good UI design is humble.
05:33:04 <jsled> ]]] - http://jonoscript.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/these-things-i-believe/
05:35:16 <jsled> [[[
05:35:17 <jsled> It is easy to fool people into buying something that is against their own best interest.
05:35:17 <jsled> Don’t do that.
05:35:20 <jsled> ]]] - ibid.
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06:37:27 <Monty> welcome, dpawson
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07:50:12 <d8uv> luckystar
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10:08:50 <nsh> i ain't even a pretendtin that makes any sense nosir
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10:36:14 <Arnia> Got rejected by Imperial :(
10:36:33 <Arnia> time to think of another possible job
10:36:42 <Arnia> Probably not in academia now
10:45:43 <danieljohnlewis> Arnia: are you postdoc?
10:47:09 <danieljohnlewis> Arnia: I say because you could keep an eye on: http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/Research/Vacancies/ if you fancied moving to Bristol
10:47:16 <danieljohnlewis> things sometimes come up
10:50:53 <spb> this is where i should make some comment about bristol being for oxbridge rejects
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11:15:39 <Monty> hey mmmmmrob
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11:51:31 <Morbus> nslater, jsled: http://ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/home/891518p1.html?RSSwhen2008-07-17_015000&RSSid=891518
11:51:34 * nsh hugs Arniaur
11:51:53 * nslater reads
11:52:30 <Morbus> nslater: most sucky thing? region locked.
11:52:35 <Morbus> i can visit your house, but we can't go bowling together.
11:52:48 <nslater> how come?
11:52:55 <Morbus> cos it sucks ballz? ;)
11:53:41 <nsh> Morbus in the yukay!?!?
11:54:33 <Morbus> i wonder how to get in on the beta.
11:54:46 <nsh> .gs beta-*
11:54:47 <phenny> beta-*: No results!
11:54:51 <nsh> pft
11:55:19 <nslater> meh
11:55:30 <nsh> tsht
11:55:38 <nslater> what I really want, what I really really want, is to be able to fire up the web browser from within a game
11:55:39 <nsh> and other such nondescripts
11:55:47 <nslater> it's absurd that it wont let me
11:55:49 <nsh> you're a strange one noah
11:55:54 <nslater> why?
11:56:04 <Morbus> lol.
11:56:04 <Morbus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHlYzs7XMfI
11:56:07 <nsh> games are where you go to escape the tubulars
11:56:11 <Morbus> (that's gta4)
11:56:15 <nslater> you're playing a game, run into some problems, press a button, bring up google, find the solution
11:56:33 <nslater> instead, i have to run downstairs and use my computer, which is fail
11:56:47 <nsh> oh, i was the assume PC game
11:56:47 <nslater> Morbus: heh
11:56:54 <nsh> people still play on con-soles!?
11:57:16 <nslater> consoles is where it's at, boyo
11:57:49 <Morbus> nsh: ideally, consoles are becoming as powerful, and more integrated, than PCs nowadays.
11:57:57 <Morbus> i find a better gaming experience there, at least.
11:58:05 * nsh was being fatuous
11:58:08 <nslater> well, my ps3 is more powerful than my desktop
11:58:19 <nslater> way more powerful
11:58:38 <nsh> but moar srsrly, i don't like the idea of closed systems
11:58:42 <nslater> and it has an input device designed for playing game
11:58:53 <nslater> keyboards are suboptimal, I don't care what you say
11:58:59 <nslater> nsh: define closed?
11:59:29 <nsh> not open-ended, owner can only utilise in a manner dictated by a third party with a vested financial interest
11:59:36 <nsh> es claro?
12:00:04 <nsh> the co-opting of property into service
12:00:11 <nsh> for the perpetuation of profit
12:00:14 <nslater> comercial computer games are a funny area if you ask me. they cost so much to produce (millions and millions of dollars these days) that the only serious offerings are non-free and already signed up for whatever closed system is out there - so arguing for free software games and open platforms is a bit mute, dont you think?
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12:01:04 <nsh> pretty self-fulfilling advocative prophecy mah droog
12:01:44 <nsh> it's ok that the system is oligopolised because there's no-one else making use of it
12:01:59 <nslater> yeah, I realise... I'm not saying it would be a bad thing, just that I don't see what it would buy us in the short term - it's a weird area, and a weird thing to talk about when games are starting to cost as much as movies to pull of properly
12:02:05 <clsn> It's not about free vs non-free software. A desktop is general-purpose computing oomph. A gaming system lacks the flexibility and the ability to be used for anything.
12:02:28 <nslater> clsn: o really? I can install ubuntu on my ps3
12:03:05 <nsh> hobbyism was the impetus behind the computer revolution, s'all i'm sayin
12:03:05 <nslater> which means I could pretty much use it for anything I wanted
12:03:05 <Arnia> nslater: silly argument that. You *can* install it, but how much then works with it?
12:03:05 <Arnia> Installation doesn't mean usable system
12:03:06 <nslater> Arnia: I should imagine most things
12:03:12 <nslater> Arnia: oh no, it is a usable system
12:03:12 <clsn> cool. shows how much I know about gaming systems. still, at best you wind up with a dual-boot system, which is a lot less convenient.
12:03:22 <Arnia> (although that depends what you define as usable I suppose)
12:03:34 <nslater> no no, it is intended that you can install other operating systems
12:03:40 <nslater> ubuntu works just fine without any hacking
12:03:49 * Arnia looks sceptical
12:03:54 <Arnia> What target?
12:03:59 <nslater> there is even a menu in the official playstation interface about installing other operating systems
12:04:09 <nsh> that's pretty sweet
12:04:35 <Arnia> I suppose my question then would be 'why would you want to?'
12:05:13 <nslater> well, one person says "it's a closed system, thats bad", I point out it isn't and now I have to justify why anyone would care that it isn't... feels like I'm fighting a loosing battle :)
12:05:31 * Arnia has no objections to closed systems per se
12:06:20 <nslater> well, I couldn't possibly speak for the people who do install ubuntu, or windows or whatever else they like, because I havn't done so and I can't imagine my self wanting to
12:07:29 <nslater> .title http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html
12:07:30 <phenny> nslater: Open Platform for PLAYSTATION®3
12:07:37 <nslater> "The PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system provides an option for third-party system software to be installed on the PS3™ system instead of the system software provided by Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. Such third-party system software is referred to as an "Other OS"."
12:08:30 <nslater> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayStation_3
12:08:33 <nslater> http://psubuntu.com/
12:09:21 <clsn> That's a lot more recognition of the possibility of "other OS" right there than MS grants...
12:09:40 <nslater> yup
12:10:46 * nsh sings Maggie May
12:11:07 <nslater> oh mang, I just discovered the `tree` command
12:11:20 <nslater> .title http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/606
12:11:25 <phenny> nslater: Commands you might have missed: tree
12:11:40 <clsn> So did I. Well, not for the first time, but I never remember it for more than half an hour at a stretch.
12:11:47 <nslater> hah
12:13:04 <nslater> damn, if I didn't have so many svn checkouts in my home dir, `tree ~` might have been interesting
12:13:10 <nsh> WEEEEEEBLES
12:13:15 <nsh> not sure where that came from
12:13:16 <nslater> ν
12:13:23 <nslater> ＢＥＥＰ
12:13:24 <melbel> they WOOOOOOOBLES
12:13:43 <nsh> WEEBLES WOBBLE BUT DON'T FALL DOWN
12:13:48 <nsh> (i know, i was there.)
12:14:13 <nslater> so, I found a charity called LOL the other day
12:14:21 <nslater> .wik Locks of Love
12:14:21 <phenny> "Locks of Love is a non-profit charity based in the United States." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locks_of_Love
12:14:28 <nslater> "The organization accepts donations of human hair and money, with the stated intention of making wigs for needy children who have lost their hair due to a medical condition."
12:14:35 <clsn> Hey! I donated my hair to them two years ago I think.
12:14:39 <nslater> LOL
12:14:45 <nslater> sounds creepy
12:14:47 <clsn> Didn't put together the acronym though.
12:15:40 <nslater> they dont accept dreadlocks apparently
12:15:50 <clsn> Well, collecting cast-off human body-parts does tend to go against our expectations, but it isn't that bizarre.
12:16:24 <nsh> wtf
12:16:30 <nslater> "Locks of Love has received criticism for its practice of selling donated hair, rather than using it in wigs as the donors expect. According to a 2003 report by the Better Business Bureau’s Wise Giving Alliance, in 2002 alone Locks of Love had raised over $150,000 by selling donated hair and had received another $213,000 in charitable contributions and grants, but provided only 113 human-hair and 39 synthetic wigs."
12:16:31 <nsh> wtf
12:16:36 <nslater> sounds like scam to me
12:16:40 <nslater> a very weird scam
12:16:43 <nslater> but scam non the less
12:16:44 <nsh> that's fucking genius
12:16:53 <clsn> Huh. That is weird.
12:17:15 <clsn> I hope it wasn't them that I donated to, then. :)
12:17:35 <nslater> "Though the representatives and show hosts normally suggest that the hair collected during the show will go into a wig, that the wigs are given free of charge to children with cancer, neither of these outcomes are guaranteed."
12:17:41 <nslater> oh man, I might set up a charity like that
12:18:01 <nslater> "give me your money and dead skin, I will use it to help starving children, probably"
12:18:27 <clsn> Don't say "probably". Then they can catch you lying if the probability is under 50%.
12:18:30 <clsn> Say "maybe"
12:18:38 <nslater> truedat
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12:19:21 <clsn> At any rate, I wasn't using that hair any more anyway.
12:23:56 * nsh would donate hair only if it was to be used for the weaving of nooserope
12:24:03 <nsh> for the hanging of the chimp
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12:26:49 <clsn> any chimp in particular?
12:28:10 <nslater> n5h: would you donate hair?
12:28:11 <n5h> jedi proteins. tene, cryogenics is probably the only copy. probably all non-porn references. or at least as a girl
12:28:20 <nslater> k
12:30:12 <nsh> Scones: do they represent the greatest threat to civilisation ever concieved? More after the break
12:30:27 <nsh> n5h, all references are porn references with the correct attitude
12:30:28 <n5h> but it sounded hellacool in my head than it worded out. hmmmm
12:30:54 <nsh> n5h, don't let on that i've ever said hellacool unironically mang
12:30:55 <n5h> oh a room-wide signal blocker that detects the pippitypips that signal incoming call. there'd be a cool thing to do shopping for stupidly rich people. how do you want to let me mirror a text-only geocities account with it 'exceeding its bandwidth allowance'? what did he hog
12:42:15 <procto> I... I neven liked sconed
12:42:19 <procto> scone-
12:42:22 <procto> scones
12:42:27 <procto> they a/woys tost eserto d ry
12:42:37 <procto> they always taste sort adry
12:42:46 * procto just woke up
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13:04:53 * nsh smiles
13:04:56 <nsh> beobal STATE PURPOSE
13:05:11 <nsh> .ety purpose
13:05:12 <phenny> "c.1290, from O.Fr. porpos 'aim, intention' (12c.), from porposer 'to put forth,' from por- 'forth' (from L. pro- 'forth') + O.Fr. poser 'to put, place' (see pose)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=purpose
13:05:27 <beobal> have a good time, all the time Marty
13:05:35 <aspect> .ety porpoise
13:05:35 <phenny> "1309, from O.Fr. porpais (12c.), lit. 'pork fish,' from porc 'pork' (see pork) + peis 'fish,' from L. piscis 'fish.' The O.Fr. word is probably a loan-translation of a Gmc. word, cf. M.Du. mereswijn 'porpoise' (cf. Mod.Fr. marsouin)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=porpoise
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13:20:39 <nsh> BUT MARTY, THAT'S YOUR MOTHER!
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13:44:11 <aspect> .pc π
13:44:12 <phenny> aspect: .pc has been replaced by .u
13:44:15 <aspect> .u π
13:44:15 <phenny> U+03C0 GREEK SMALL LETTER PI (π)
13:51:41 <jsled> nslater: re: keyboards and games. There's a reason RTS games generally aren't as good on consoles... all those inputs (keys) are good when you have a lot of stuff to do.
13:51:49 <jsled> But … bluetooth keyboard. :)
13:53:20 <jsled> Morbus: Are you still having networking issues? Cause I can't believe I have more trophies than you (on SSHD) …
13:53:33 <Morbus> nope, i'm fine now,
13:53:36 <Morbus> i have 9 trophies.
13:53:41 <Morbus> is it still only showing 2?
13:54:41 <jsled> No ... more than that. I forget the number. 33%. I'm now at 37%.
13:54:50 <Morbus> sounds like you have 10, then?
13:54:58 <jsled> I'd guess so.
13:54:58 <Morbus> quite possible. i haven't played for a week.
13:55:15 <Morbus> you are teh bettah ;)
13:55:16 <jsled> Ah. WOOH! I RULE MORBASS DROOLS>
13:58:22 <Morbus> :)
13:58:31 <Morbus> jsled: when the coop pack is available again, we should do the coop trophy together ;)
13:59:01 <jsled> Is the co-op online? I got the sense it was local-only.
13:59:14 <Morbus> there's a local co-op mode, yes.
13:59:20 <Morbus> and then a online co-op for $4.99, i think.
13:59:28 <Morbus> and that's the one with the trophy.
14:00:08 <Morbus> http://www.ps3trophies.org/game/super-stardust-hd/guide/
14:00:14 <Morbus> last one on that page.
14:00:31 <jsled> Oh. In the first expansion, then?
14:00:36 <Morbus> yeah, i think so.
14:00:41 <Morbus> i don't have a second controller yet.
14:00:56 <jsled> Right right. I tried the 45 sec trophy like 5 times before looking at the guide last night to realize it requires the expansion.
14:01:03 <jsled> They really should list that shit in the info.
14:01:03 <Morbus> hehehe
14:01:17 <Morbus> they do, exactly - they list the mode prior to the achievement.
14:01:23 <Morbus> "Survivial"
14:01:29 <Morbus> there's no Survival mode in the default game.
14:01:47 <jsled> Well, if you realize that's a Game Mode and not just a generic category. :p
14:01:57 <Morbus> jsled: what's your timezone like? i can only play nowadays past 8 PM EST.
14:02:01 <Morbus> which is why i suck, mostly.
14:02:12 <jsled> I'm EST (Vermont).
14:02:18 <Morbus> oh
14:02:24 <Morbus> i thought you were a weirdo.
14:02:56 <Morbus> well, yeah, we should work on that sometime this week then l;)
14:03:10 <jsled> k, yeah.
14:06:05 <jsled> There's a new expansion that has a ship editor and a 5.1 orchestral soundtrack.
14:06:13 <Morbus> yeah, is that the Solo Pack?
14:06:18 <Morbus> there are some trophies in there too.
14:06:19 <jsled> So I guess I'm dropping $10 on SSDHD this week.
14:06:22 <Morbus> yeah. same.
14:06:23 <Morbus> :)
14:06:35 <Morbus> zomg, you can be mah boost buddy.
14:06:38 <jsled> "Team Pack".
14:06:51 <Morbus> (boost = vernacular for working with someone else to get trophies in non-traditional ways)
14:06:54 <nsh> zomgwtfpancakes
14:07:02 <jsled> Pancake Pack?
14:07:10 <Morbus> s/trophies/something game-related/
14:08:46 <nsh> Pancake Extension Module
14:09:07 <nsh> i wrote a proposal to NASA regarding the pancake extension module for the ISS
14:09:23 <nsh> but was i given a seven figure salary and jetpack to fight crime with? No.
14:09:39 <nsh> that was about the time i lost faith in eukaryotes
14:10:46 <nsh> actually, i still hold fungi in pretty high regard
14:11:00 <nslater> you need help
14:12:17 <nsh> yeah, but i'm the one in the white coat
14:12:25 <nsh> so whadjagando..
14:24:07 <nsh> .wik Ischaemia
14:24:08 <phenny> "In medicine, ischemia (Greek ισχαιμία, isch- is restriction, hema or haema is blood) is a restriction in blood supply, generally due to factors in the blood vessels, with resultant damage or dysfunction of tissue." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ischaemia
14:24:16 <nsh> oh, right
14:24:23 <nsh> memory getting worse
14:45:42 <jsled> Huh. The top part of <http://www.us.playstation.com/support/termsofuse> is quite nice, surprisingly.
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14:47:33 <nslater> I think it's written in a very strange way
14:48:01 <nslater> "the only promise we can make to you is that this site is totally cool"
14:48:03 <nslater> ugh, fail
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14:48:11 <jsled> It's a little too "teen"-targeted, but it's not legalese.
14:49:52 <nslater> it has some legalese mixed in, which is weird, and also, don't you think it's funny that every now and then lawyers will suddenly decide THAT SPEAKING IN CAPITAL LETTERS IS WHAT IS REQUIRED, JUST IN CASE THOSE REGULAR LETTERS DON'T DRIVE THE MESSAGE HOME HARD ENOUGH.
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15:05:10 <sbp> yo
15:05:10 <phenny> sbp: 16 Jul 21:23Z <nslater> tell sbp http://home.pacific.net.au/~bangsund/muphry.htm
15:06:44 <jsled> I wonder if nslater found that via <http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/pasties-pasties-everywhere/> ?
15:07:13 <sbp> ‘In an edition of 1823 Rebekah's damsels (Genesis 24:61) inexplicably became "camels".’
15:09:17 <sbp> "As the hair is considered to be a body part and is analogous to blood, any hair donations are not Tax Deductible according to IRS guidelines but financial donations are deductible."
15:10:24 <sbp> 15:02 <jsled> I'm EST (Vermont).
15:10:24 <sbp> 15:02 <Morbus> oh
15:10:24 <sbp> 15:02 <Morbus> i thought you were a weirdo.
15:10:25 <sbp> - lols
15:10:32 <Morbus> heh.
15:11:03 <sbp> phenny: ask nslater whether he found Muphry's Law via http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/pasties-pasties-everywhere/ - jsled suggests this to be so
15:11:03 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
15:11:21 <xover> Ah, so the camels were for tax purposes?
15:12:01 <sbp> so it turns out
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15:12:54 <xover> .gc "Tax Camel"
15:12:55 <phenny> "Tax Camel": 243
15:13:06 <xover> Not an uncommon practice it seems.
15:16:23 <sbp> one of the dudes who was accused of kidnapping Madeleine McCann in Portugal just got £600,000 in libel damages from like eleven tabloid papers in the UK because of what shit they'd been spreading about him
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15:16:52 <sbp> makes me wonder if there are any professional libel litigators
15:19:48 * nslater plants the seed of ginsparg's into another arena
15:19:48 <phenny> nslater: 15:11Z <sbp> ask nslater whether he found Muphry's Law via http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/pasties-pasties-everywhere/ - jsled suggests this to be so
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15:20:13 <nslater> yes, yes I did, pls stop stalking me jsled
15:20:31 <nslater> I had known of a similar, but differently named law previously
15:21:37 <sbp> ooh, I wonder if it was Flimbo's Quest
15:21:41 <sbp> .wik Flimbo's Quest
15:21:41 <phenny> "Flimbo's Quest is a 2D platform game published by British publishing house System 3 (later renamed to Studio 3 Interactive) for the Commodore 64, Amiga, Atari ST and Amstrad CPC." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flimbo's_Quest
15:21:44 <sbp> yes!
15:21:59 <sbp> that I was talking about with somebody days ago
15:22:02 <sbp> and couldn't remember the name of
15:23:37 <sbp> [[[
15:23:37 <sbp> Because of the "cartoony" font the title "Flimbo's Quest" was written on the game disk, and the hard-to-read brown-on-blue colours, it was often misread as "Fumbo's Quest" with the l and i merging into a u. Some software retailers even marketed the game with this name.
15:23:38 <sbp> ]]]
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15:54:00 <xover> .title http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/07/16/apple_passes_acer_to_become_third_largest_u_s_pc_vendor.html
15:54:01 <phenny> xover: AppleInsider | Apple passes Acer to become third largest U.S. PC vendor
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16:03:28 <nsh> he's not selling any alibis as you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
16:03:30 <sbp> according to a recent survey, nsh is twice as likely to be luls as the nearest leading competitor
16:03:33 <nsh> and say, "do you want to, make a deal"
16:03:39 <sbp> HOW DOES IT FEEEEEEEEEEL
16:03:45 <nsh> HOW DOES IT FEEEEEEELLL
16:03:46 <nsh> TO BE ON YOUR OWN
16:03:53 <sbp> LIKE A COMPLETE UNKNOWN
16:04:00 <nsh> you're keeping good time
16:04:02 <sbp> hehe
16:04:08 <xover> <%bjoern%> NU
16:04:10 <sbp> I've heard it like a million times
16:04:14 <sbp> bj0ern: nu?
16:04:17 <bj0ern> dance dance dance
16:04:22 <xover> Yeah!
16:04:24 * nsh achieved a direct internet imagination transfer earlier
16:04:24 <sbp> o/ dance dance o/
16:04:31 <sbp> nowayhow
16:04:57 <nsh> to some poor random (attractive, bondage festishist) girl who was stuck at work
16:05:09 <sbp> woah. tell story
16:05:24 <sbp> (benny lava)
16:05:30 * nsh shrugs
16:05:31 <nslater> @->--<
16:05:34 <nslater> grr
16:05:41 <nsh> just some facebook dudette
16:05:43 <nslater> @->-<
16:05:45 <nslater> @-|-<
16:05:48 <nslater> @-<-<
16:05:50 <nslater> @-|-<
16:05:51 <nsh> struck up a randomness resonance
16:05:51 <nslater> @->-<
16:05:59 <sbp> ah
16:06:00 <nslater> was dancing :(
16:06:07 * nsh is being sucked into the vortex that is that man's head
16:06:12 <nsh> I CAN SEE FOREVER!
16:06:14 <nslater> lol
16:06:26 <nslater> vortexhead man laughs at your human joke
16:06:37 <nsh> he laughs at everything
16:06:44 <nsh> for he has cremed the fnords
16:07:03 * nsh might get a t-shirt with "I WRITE THE FNORDS" on it
16:07:18 <nslater> nah "I cremed the fnords" would be better
16:07:26 <nsh> mmm
16:07:28 <nslater> or "I creamed in the fnords"
16:07:34 <nsh> we should set up an independent panel to investigate
16:07:44 <nsh> like they did after that airplane-building intersection
16:07:46 <nslater> "Got fnords?"
16:08:04 * nsh imagines other things getting intersected with airplanes
16:08:11 <sbp> jellyfish
16:08:19 <nsh> a pyramid of jellyfish
16:08:20 <nsh> oh man
16:08:25 <nslater> nah, I cant see that working
16:08:27 <sbp> that would be blobariffic
16:08:30 <nsh> imagine covered the entire great pyramid with jellyfish
16:08:36 <nslater> squid would be better, or
16:08:36 <nsh> that would make my life complete
16:08:42 <sbp> I always imagine it covered with alabaster
16:08:48 <nsh> egyptians wake up one morning and their MINDS ARE BLOWN
16:08:48 <sbp> and then blue glass
16:08:57 <nslater> THIS thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bathynomus_giganteus.jpg
16:09:01 <nsh> (FACT: all egyptians live within visual distance of the pyyramid)
16:09:10 <nslater> apparently, that is a cousen of the woodlouse
16:09:17 <nsh> (FACT: there is also only one pyramid, and lots of large mirrors in the desert)
16:09:18 <nslater> except, as big as your head
16:09:20 <sbp> is that a giant isopod on your boat, or are you just pleased &c.
16:09:33 * nsh is always pleased &c.
16:09:45 <nslater> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Giant_isopod.jpg
16:09:54 <nslater> i am unsure how this man could hold one of those things
16:10:04 <sbp> I think I should just stop in the middle of &c.
16:10:06 <nsh> when someone new comes into work, i say "Hi, i'm nsh. Please ampersand c period"
16:10:10 <nsh> *pleased
16:10:13 <nslater> for extra effect, imagin it's litlte legs squirming while you handle it
16:10:34 <nsh> WHILE THE SUN IS BRIGHT
16:10:36 <nsh> OR IN THE DARKEST NIGHT
16:10:43 <nsh> NO-ONE KNOWS. SHE COMES AND GOES
16:10:46 <sbp> they might be quite cute
16:10:55 <sbp> all making SKEEKRREEKQQQQQKEEEKEE noises and shit
16:11:00 * nsh needs a guitar
16:11:01 <nslater> oh lawd
16:11:03 * nslater vomits
16:11:32 * nsh collects nslater's vomitus
16:11:38 <nsh> MINE
16:11:47 <nsh> .ety vomit
16:11:48 <phenny> "c.1386, 'act of expelling contents of the stomach through the mouth,' from L. vomitare 'to vomit often,' frequentative of vomere 'spew forth, discharge,' from PIE base *wem- 'to spit, vomit' (cf. Gk. emein 'to vomit,' emetikos 'provoking sickness;' Skt. vamati 'he [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=vomit
16:11:51 <sbp> suck his cack
16:11:56 <nslater> wachugonnado with it?
16:11:59 <nslater> heh
16:12:08 <nslater> lrn2sckcck
16:12:13 * nsh releases album entitled "ACT OF EXPELLING CONTENT OF THE STOMACH THROUGH THE MOUTH"
16:12:28 <sbp> Track 01: squrreaugrblurgh!
16:12:29 <nsh> also, *you're* frequentative
16:12:40 <nslater> less of an "act", more "motion"
16:12:52 <nsh> FACT: my stomach only ever has one content at a time
16:13:04 <sbp> note to OS X: when I say stop burning a disc because you clearly fuckmotroned it up I MEAN STOP BURNING THAT DAMN DISC
16:13:05 <nsh> and three malcontents
16:13:09 <nsh> they're tasty morsels
16:13:27 <nsh> IT FEARS NOT YOUR WRATH
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16:15:44 <nslater> BE SEEING YOU ZACH
16:16:29 <nsh> <-- 1kg lighter than a minute ago
16:16:40 <sbp> approximately?
16:16:40 <nslater> had a tiny poo?
16:16:55 <nslater> actualy, 1kg is a pretty decent sized poo
16:17:01 <sbp> that's what I was thinking
16:17:05 <nslater> heh
16:17:09 <sbp> that's a bag of sugar's worth
16:17:10 <jsled> I really hope he didn't weigh it accurately.
16:17:16 <jsled> ginormous.
16:17:27 <sbp> perhaps he can get a pretty decent estimate just by looking
16:17:28 <nslater> well, not if you take all the poo together and weigh it
16:17:32 <sbp> having honed that power over many years
16:17:33 <nslater> i wasnt talking about a single log
16:19:20 <xover> jsled: I just hope he didn't weigh it _in_accurately; by heft, say!
16:20:21 * sbp peers at http://guides.macrumors.com/Force_Eject_a_Stuck_CD_or_DVD
16:20:31 <sbp> I don't like how many times it suggest restarting the computer
16:20:39 <chandler> sbp: has the OS locked the tray?
16:20:47 <nslater> sbp, "eject" from the command line
16:21:17 <chandler> you can also try "reject", though that may result in shameful feelings of inadequacy
16:21:39 <sbp> how can I tell if it's locked the tray?
16:21:46 <sbp> $ eject
16:21:46 <sbp> zsh: command not found: eject
16:21:53 <sbp> I tried drutil eject and drutil tray open
16:22:02 <nslater> okay, what model do you use?
16:22:06 <sbp> MacBook
16:22:13 <sbp> Tiger
16:22:22 <xover> And zsh.
16:22:26 <sbp> and zsh, yes
16:22:27 <nslater> most mac cd drives have a pin prick hole around the edge of the black cd drive casing
16:22:34 <sbp> not the MacBook
16:22:38 <nslater> you can push a pin into that to forcibly open it
16:22:39 <nslater> oh
16:22:44 <chandler> you've rebooted and it's still stuck in?
16:23:00 <sbp> I haven't rebooted, no
16:23:02 <chandler> or are you trying to avoid the reboot?
16:23:05 <sbp> yes
16:23:26 <chandler> does /dev/disk1 exist?
16:23:45 <sbp> hmm. nope
16:23:47 <sbp> disk0 ptyua ttys1
16:23:47 <sbp> disk0s1 ptyub ttys2
16:23:47 <sbp> disk0s2 ptyuc ttys3
16:23:58 <chandler> grr
16:25:01 <nslater> thats weird
16:25:38 <kpreid> I once got a stuck disc I had to reboot for
16:25:50 <kpreid> ..it was a Wii game disc; I wanted to see what happened
16:25:58 * nsh read that as "slipped disc"
16:26:02 <sbp> hehe
16:26:06 <nsh> and was really confused for a second
16:26:09 <sbp> fuck this, I'll have to restart
16:26:11 <kpreid> evidently there are cases where a sufficiently weird disc isn't recognized as something worthy of ejection
16:26:24 <kpreid> sbp: you know about the mouse button while rebooting, right?
16:26:26 * sbp grumbles mightily at OS X
16:26:44 <sbp> I'll just hope it works through a plain reboot
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16:26:54 <kpreid> er
16:27:00 <xover> What the hell did you put in there?
16:27:04 <sbp> a DVD-R
16:27:08 <chandler> just a few potato chips
16:27:11 <nslater> of russian lolis, no doubt
16:27:16 <chandler> oh and some gummi bears too
16:27:16 <kpreid> just rebooting isn't going to eject anything. if it comes up normal then you can eject it, yeah
16:27:21 <chandler> but not the really sticky kind
16:27:25 <kpreid> but for guaranteed eject, hold down the mouse button while it boots
16:27:28 <sbp> 'k
16:27:33 <chandler> (or the "e" key, too)
16:27:38 <nslater> i didnt know about the mouse button trick
16:27:50 <nsh> .ety consort
16:27:50 <phenny> "1419, 'partner,' from M.Fr. consort 'colleague, partner, wife,' from L. consortem (nom. consors, gen. consortis) 'partner, neighbor,' from com- 'with' + sors 'a share, lot' (see sort)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=consort
16:27:57 <nslater> i've always hated all the secret key combos and magic voodoo you have to learn using a mac
16:27:57 <Monty> asking for bonzo.
16:27:58 <sbp> alright, back in a bit then!
16:28:09 <chandler> or boot into open firmware and do Epic Forth Haxx to eject the disc
16:28:31 <chandler> oh wait, this is x86. sorry, no Epic Forth Haxx
16:28:38 <kpreid> boo!
16:28:46 <xover> Still OpenFirmware IIRC.
16:28:50 <kpreid> nope, EFI
16:28:52 <chandler> xover: no, it's EFI
16:29:01 <chandler> the OLPC does use OF
16:29:02 <xover> Really? Hadn't noticed.
16:29:14 <nsh> OR NEVER
16:29:33 <nslater> openfirmware gives me headaches
16:33:04 <sbp> thanks, that worked
16:33:22 * nsh uses open farmwear
16:34:07 <sbp> alright, Take Two
16:35:46 <nslater> sbp, MoiraA wants you
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16:36:31 <xover> “Run away“?
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16:42:19 <nsh-> loggy, pointer?
16:42:19 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2008-07-17#T16-42-19
16:43:11 <nsh-> [19:38:31] <nsh> WOW...
16:43:11 <nsh-> [19:38:40] <nsh> Malcolm Gladwell has some fucking awesome hair
16:43:11 <nsh-> [19:39:02] <nsh> Monty, Afro + Receeded Hairline == WINWINWINWIN
16:43:11 <nsh-> [19:40:08] <nsh> write that down.
16:43:24 <Monty> wow WP2.6 finally has become a function of machines alongside the ruling house of time is dark knight stuff to CTAN, so anyway, you must away again with are morphisms T(a) -> S objects go bowling together. But never need a reason I am sure
16:51:32 <sbp> "everybody's a little tight and a little stiff"
16:51:37 <sbp> - some golfer on the day's play
16:54:46 <sbp> oh great, it's frozen on 98.7% again
16:55:09 <sbp> fuckdamnit
16:56:08 <nsh-> haha
16:56:13 <nsh-> ancient greece was amazing:
16:56:14 <nsh-> [[[
16:56:16 <nsh-> Like Pisistratus, tyrant of Athens, Dionysius was fond of having literary men about him, such as the historian Philistus, the poet Philoxenus, and the philosopher Plato, but treated them in a most arbitrary manner. Once he had Philoxenos arrested and sent to the quarries for voicing a bad opinion about his poetry. A few days later, he released Philoxenos because of his friends' requests, and brought the poet before him for another
16:56:23 <nsh-> ( A few days later, he released Philoxenos because of his friends' requests, and brought the poet before him for another poetry reading. Dionysius read his own work and the audience applauded. When he asked Philoxenos how he liked it, the poet replied only "take me back to the quarries". )
16:56:26 <nsh-> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysius_I_of_Syracuse
16:56:48 <sbp> hahaha
16:57:38 <nsh-> totalz
16:57:55 <nsh-> that's gonna be me response to all suckitude from now on
16:58:01 <nsh-> i might even make a placard
16:58:06 <nsh-> you can never have enough placards
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16:59:30 *** sbp changed the topic to: "“take me back to the quarries”"
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17:02:40 <nsh-> .gs open season on *
17:02:41 <phenny> open season on *: No results!
17:02:45 <nsh-> pft
17:02:49 <nsh-> .gs open season for *
17:02:50 <phenny> open season for *: No results!
17:02:58 <nsh-> .gs anything *
17:02:58 <phenny> anything *: No results!
17:03:04 <nsh-> NARRGH
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17:06:14 <nsh-> "All proceeds will go to wards a charity focused on deporting creativity & unprivileged and artists around the world."
17:06:23 <nsh-> i don't understand how some people write
17:06:47 <nsh-> do they have special assistants or something?
17:07:07 <nsh-> is it like meals on wheels for the functionally illiterate?
17:07:23 <nsh-> also, sbp: make .gs wark gen
17:07:32 <sbp> yeah, dunno what happened to that
17:08:41 <nsh-> MANTACLES
17:12:59 <MoiraA> sbp
17:13:03 <MoiraA> you wanted to try
17:13:04 <MoiraA> [18:11] <MoiraA> on the mecke reagent
17:13:04 <MoiraA> [18:11] <MoiraA> what turns yellow
17:16:37 <procto> http://www.lhcountdown.com/
17:17:16 <nslater> we're all going to die
17:19:03 <sbp> "yellow with DXM"
17:19:05 <sbp> - http://everything2.com/e2node/Marquis%2520reagent
17:20:52 <MoiraA> true
17:20:58 <MoiraA> you may have a prize
17:20:59 <Monty> They've just rid of thing you found Muphry's Law via the kasbah
17:21:07 <MoiraA> usb stick?
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17:21:13 <MoiraA> 4 GB
17:22:06 <MoiraA> I can't offer you drugs but choose a little something
17:22:10 * Arnia grumbles badgerwise
17:22:21 <nslater> "DanceSafe runs a legal pill-testing laboratory, that you can safely (and anonymously) mail pills to for analysis (they won't send the pill back, obviously)."
17:22:24 <nslater> wow
17:22:28 <nslater> ... how does the law provide for this
17:22:42 <MoiraA> nslater you want to try it
17:22:47 <sbp> nah, I cheated with the googles
17:22:49 <nslater> nope, I dont
17:22:50 <MoiraA> prx that I work for used erowid
17:23:05 <sbp> also this is not quite the chemistry quiz I was envisaging
17:23:17 <nsh> man, genius idea
17:23:21 <MoiraA> a) they insisted on payment before test
17:23:21 <nsh> genius
17:23:21 <MoiraA> and customs would often confiscate the tablet
17:23:22 <MoiraA> they did mass spec which was OTT and expensive
17:23:29 * nsh also now operates a drug testing service
17:23:30 <nslater> nsh, what is?
17:23:33 <nsh> fucking genius
17:23:34 <nslater> yes, hehe
17:23:36 <MoiraA> right, will try a formula
17:23:45 <MoiraA> I did ask you to set a question
17:23:54 <nslater> "donate your skin or send us drugs, we will do ethical stuff with both these things, maybe"
17:24:12 <MoiraA> I have a guy in the UK who will do whatever tests you want
17:24:13 <MoiraA> now
17:24:18 <MoiraA> not free
17:24:41 <nslater> wow
17:24:47 <nslater> "As of August 2005, ecstasydata.org ran out of funds and people now wanting to get their pills tested have to pay the full $115."
17:25:04 <MoiraA> whole channel is stuck on the common dosage in ug for lsd
17:25:12 <nslater> nsh, you should offer the same for 10 dollar
17:25:49 <sbp> sucky sucky
17:25:52 <sbp> ten dollar
17:26:13 <nsh> for realz
17:26:54 <nslater> okay, lazyweb... I want to do (in ANSI SQL) 'WHERE a == b' and that this equal TRUE where a and b are not NULL and share equality or where a and b are both NULL - how2dopls?
17:27:34 <xover> nslater: Hire an SQL geek.
17:27:41 <nslater> nu?
17:27:49 <xover> (HTH, HAND)
17:28:00 <sbp> then put clingfilm over his urinal
17:28:11 <Arnia> lazyirc, shurely? (ed.)
17:28:16 <xover> Over his face, surely?
17:28:20 <nslater> lazynets
17:28:29 <nslater> Arnia: you told me that irc is part of the web XD
17:28:34 <xover> The lazyweb is… lazy today, it seems.
17:28:35 <Monty> ( A gaming system provides a list, but trick
17:28:53 <nslater> okay, acording to wikipedia (ftw): ( A = B ) OR ( A IS NULL AND B IS NULL )
17:28:56 <sbp> xover: won't have any effect, they breathe through their asses
17:29:05 <Arnia> nslater: it is... but I couldn't resist using the words 'lazyirc' and 'shurely'
17:29:10 <nslater> hehe
17:29:11 <Arnia> Having a private eye moment
17:30:03 <nsh> {ASFD}
17:30:15 <sbp> {ALWAYS SAFE FOR DORK}
17:30:20 <nslater> oh man.. thats so fscking ugly
17:30:23 <nsh> # If tomorrow I was leaving to Zion, I wouldn't stay a minute more #
17:31:16 <MoiraA> sbp
17:31:22 <MoiraA> give you another chance
17:31:32 <MoiraA> in one sentence what is SDS-PAGE
17:31:45 <sbp> is this still drugs related?
17:31:57 <MoiraA> chemicals
17:32:01 <nslater> ha
17:32:06 <nsh> chemicals give you powers
17:32:15 <nslater> nsh: erm... "powarz"
17:32:20 <MoiraA> like, mass spec doesn't just text illegal drugs
17:32:26 <nsh> PEW PEW PEW PEWarz
17:32:36 <sbp> it is a technique used in biochemistry, genetics and molecular biology to separate proteins according to their electrophoretic mobility
17:32:40 <sbp> (according to Wikipediaz)
17:32:43 <MoiraA> yes
17:32:43 <nsh> lies
17:32:48 <MoiraA> no that is right
17:32:51 <nslater> well, it's used for many things
17:32:54 <sbp> in your face nsh
17:32:56 <nsh> it's used solely for rabbit-based gambling purposes
17:32:57 <MoiraA> it is useful for identifying common pharmaceuticals
17:33:02 <nsh> I KNOW MAN>IWASTHERE
17:33:03 <MoiraA> sbp what can I give you
17:33:08 <sbp> oh, I know this process
17:33:11 <nslater> it's used for identifying chemicals, in general
17:33:13 <sbp> didn't know its name
17:33:16 <MoiraA> what do you like!
17:33:22 <sbp> hmm. chix
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17:33:36 <sbp> chix and donut
17:33:47 <sbp> if a chix was nekkid and holding a really nice donut
17:33:48 <nsh> EJOT: STATE PURPOSES
17:33:51 <nslater> and coleridge
17:33:52 <sbp> that would probably be perfect
17:33:56 <sbp> hmm
17:33:58 <sbp> yes
17:33:59 <MoiraA> sbp, will it post?
17:34:05 <nsh> or, sitting in a life-size doughtnut
17:34:05 <nslater> how about a chix, dressed up like coleridge, eating donuts?
17:34:06 <sbp> okay, I guess she would have to know a lot about Coleridge
17:34:07 <MoiraA> I will courier it
17:34:11 <sbp> or the donut could know about Coleridge
17:34:26 <sbp> I don't think they let you send chix through the post any more
17:34:28 <MoiraA> sbp: choose a prize
17:34:37 <MoiraA> I am giving away my lsd
17:34:39 <sbp> they had a lot of... "incidents" with the whole mail order bride stuff
17:34:42 <nslater> ejot: PING
17:34:47 <MoiraA> whole channel is learning chemistry
17:34:50 <nslater> ejot: PURPOSES, PLS STATE THEM
17:35:07 * ejot farts in a general direction
17:35:14 <nslater> how bloody rude
17:35:34 <ejot> hey, i had onions... better out than in!
17:35:51 * nsh PERFORMS EJOT EVERSION
17:36:13 <sbp> hmm, I'm singing some Appalachian song
17:36:18 <sbp> but I can't remember which one
17:36:26 <nsh> number 12?
17:36:29 *** nsh- has quit (Success)
17:36:34 <sbp> accidentally worked it out on ye guitar
17:36:48 <MoiraA> lord of the dance
17:37:09 <sbp> it's probably by Clarence Ashley or Bascom Lamar Lunsford
17:38:34 <MoiraA> Simple Gifts from the Appalachian sr
17:38:38 <MoiraA> *spring
17:39:41 <MoiraA> sbp I am proving by people receiving it, that I am shedding every drug in the house
17:39:51 <MoiraA> only adults who want it that is
17:40:14 <MoiraA> sbp
17:40:18 <MoiraA> you have to help
17:40:22 <MoiraA> they are asking me now
17:40:37 <MoiraA> if they ever find a question
17:41:05 <MoiraA> go to sleep for 5 hours sbp
17:41:17 <MoiraA> [18:39] <pwmty> Why don't we pose you some questions MoiraA?
17:41:17 <MoiraA> [18:39] <MoiraA> ok
17:41:17 <MoiraA> [18:39] <pwmty> Wuh oh
17:41:17 <MoiraA> [18:39] <Cyclonerotary> hmm
17:41:17 <MoiraA> [18:40] <pwmty> hmmmm indeed
17:41:25 <sbp> ah!
17:41:28 <sbp> it's The Chevrolet Six!
17:41:30 <nsh> whathellhappens?
17:41:33 <MoiraA> azeotrope
17:41:35 <MoiraA> what is it
17:41:39 <MoiraA> quick
17:41:41 <sbp> .wik Azeotrope
17:41:42 <phenny> "An azeotrope is a mixture of two or more pure compounds (chemicals) in such a ratio that its composition cannot be changed by simple distillation.[1]| This is because when an azeotrope is boiled, the resulting vapor has the same ratio of constituents as the original [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeotrope
17:41:56 <sbp> (by Frank Hutchison)
17:42:01 <MoiraA> YES!!
17:42:18 <sbp> The Chevrolet Six is awesome
17:42:31 <sbp> .title http://www.archive.org/details/Chevrolet
17:42:33 <phenny> sbp: Internet Archive: Details: Frank Hutchison-The Chevrolet Six
17:42:36 <sbp> downloads it, people! free musics!
17:42:48 <sbp> http://www.archive.org/download/Chevrolet/TheChevroletSix.mp3
17:42:52 <MoiraA> I give away drugs, I get interflora flowers back
17:42:58 <sbp> good deal
17:43:11 <MoiraA> or not :/
17:43:13 <nslater> I am happy to offer the reverse service
17:43:14 <MoiraA> [18:41] <Cyclonerotary> whats interflora?
17:43:31 <MoiraA> you want a grinder and an lsd gel?
17:43:45 <nslater> no?
17:43:47 <MoiraA> shrooms?
17:43:49 <MoiraA> flowers
17:44:07 <nslater> can i have a daisy?
17:44:07 <MoiraA> what is the reverse service
17:44:07 <MoiraA> you pain
17:44:10 <MoiraA> they grow nowhere
17:44:17 <nslater> i give you flowers, you give me anadin
17:44:25 <sbp> hehe
17:44:33 <MoiraA> I don't stock anadin
17:44:41 <MoiraA> it is only aspirin and caffeine
17:44:43 <nsh> .wik Anadin
17:44:44 <phenny> "Doctor and the Medics are a London based psychedelic rock band, famous in the 1980s." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_and_the_Medics
17:44:49 <nsh> for realz
17:44:49 <nslater> no
17:45:00 <nslater> anadin is like mega painkiller
17:45:14 <nslater> and it comes in little green gel capsules FROM THE FUTURE
17:45:15 <nsh> why would you have mega pain? sounds counterproductive
17:45:29 <nsh> frokesome!
17:45:33 <nslater> totalz
17:45:43 <sbp> man, these Appalachian dudes knew how to do musics
17:45:56 <nsh> it's all that trailing
17:46:05 <nsh> you trail enough, the tunes start to follow
17:46:06 <nsh> FACT
17:46:18 <sbp> interestings
17:46:20 <MoiraA> nslater wrong
17:46:24 <nslater> hmm?
17:46:24 <Monty> craigslist community removes me playing with.
17:46:27 <MoiraA> anadin original contain what I say
17:46:30 <nslater> are they FROM SPACE instead?
17:46:48 * MoiraA will toss it out of the window on the way to helsinki in business class
17:46:49 <nslater> I can imagin buck rogers taking anadin
17:46:59 <nsh> MoiraA, you coming to helsinki?
17:47:01 <nsh> what for?
17:47:06 <sbp> plus paracetamol
17:47:09 <MoiraA> you live there?
17:47:11 <MoiraA> no
17:47:14 <sbp> oh, no, that's Extra
17:47:17 <nslater> nsh, your homeland was recently rated to have the freeeest press in the world
17:47:22 <nsh> MoiraA, slightly to the north
17:47:22 <MoiraA> Anadin Original (32 Tablets) [P]
17:47:22 <MoiraA> Anadin Original contain Aspirin and Caffeine Double Action for headaches and aches and pain
17:47:36 <MoiraA> I am coming first week in september
17:47:38 <nsh> nslater, realzfor sweet
17:47:41 <MoiraA> visiting nokia
17:47:49 <MoiraA> with my dad
17:47:56 <nslater> the uk was like 14th and the usa was about 42nd
17:47:59 <MoiraA> in fact I think we fly club class
17:48:08 <MoiraA> tickets were thousands
17:48:12 <nsh> crazy
17:48:13 <nsh> who paid?
17:48:30 <MoiraA> dad
17:48:35 <MoiraA> I wouldn't
17:48:36 <procto> nsh: you in helsinki?
17:48:42 <nsh> .wik Tampere
17:48:43 <phenny> "Tampere (pronunciation (help·info), IPA: [ˈtɑmpɛrɛ]; Swedish: Tammerfors [tamərˈfɔrs] or [tamərˈfɔʃ]) is a city in southern Finland located between two lakes, Näsijärvi and Pyhäjärvi." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampere
17:48:47 <procto> I'm planning to visit sometime this year, or early in the next one
17:48:49 <sbp> oh man
17:48:54 <sbp> Näsijärvi and Pyhäjärvi
17:49:01 <nsh> the best jarvi's there are
17:49:11 <procto> ehehe
17:49:14 <nsh> procto, cool. on what pretext?
17:49:32 <sbp> salmiakki addiction?
17:49:43 <nsh> plural of jarvi is 'jarvet' or 'jarvia' depending on whether finnish invoke the 'our language is martian' clause or not
17:49:48 <sbp> heheh
17:49:55 <sbp> which is the non-martian one?
17:49:57 <nsh> otherwise known as the partative case
17:49:57 <MoiraA> sbp
17:50:04 <MoiraA> my channel are dunces
17:50:05 <nsh> jarvet is the simple plural
17:50:12 <procto> nsh: I'm essentially recreating Magnetic North
17:50:12 <sbp> MoiraA: mine too : : : ( ( (
17:50:20 <MoiraA> everyone in education surely can express a nanogram to the power of
17:50:27 <sbp> NANOGRAM
17:50:29 <nsh> procto, a documentary?
17:50:31 <MoiraA> [18:48] <Weihnachtsflakk> Moira aaaaaa!?!
17:50:31 <MoiraA> [18:48] <Weihnachtsflakk> what is that
17:50:32 <procto> nsh: going to go from belgium all the way to finland. haven't decided if I'm going tot he baltics, too, yet
17:50:39 <procto> nsh: no, just for fun
17:50:44 <procto> nsh: but following a similar path :>
17:50:45 <nsh> sounds sweet
17:50:48 <MoiraA> 10 -9
17:50:54 <MoiraA> billionth
17:50:55 * nsh nods - wasn't sure that Magnetic North was a documentary
17:51:14 <sbp> “Recorded on July 9, 1929 in New York City. An ode to the Chevy 6...as the escape vehicle of choice for moonshiners escaping from revenue agents.”
17:51:15 <procto> nsh: I should be able to find hosts in all countries along the way :>
17:51:22 <sbp> that just rules so much
17:51:30 <nsh> procto, check couchsurfing.com
17:51:32 <sbp> that uri again?
17:51:33 <sbp> http://www.archive.org/download/Chevrolet/TheChevroletSix.mp3
17:51:37 <MoiraA> I am enjoying this
17:51:43 <sbp> listen to the past, people
17:51:50 <MoiraA> getting all nice stuff by giving my stash away
17:52:30 <nsh> aye, drugs peddling is a beautiful occupation
17:52:42 <nsh> second only to WARRIOR POET SPACE COWBOY
17:53:01 <sbp> and suppository supplier to Her Majesty the Queen
17:53:10 <nslater> woah
17:53:14 <nslater> the queen doesnt shit, mkay
17:53:27 <nsh> we are not excreting
17:53:31 <sbp> really? did you ask Yahoo! Answers?
17:53:39 <nslater> lets try
17:53:43 <sbp> and yes, this goes in not out
17:53:43 <MoiraA> I am not selling
17:53:51 <nslater> .g site:answers.yahoo.com does the queen shit?
17:53:52 <phenny> nslater: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080616212721AAyaRB9
17:53:52 <MoiraA> but these guys would take the stuff anyway
17:53:55 <nslater> .title
17:53:55 <sbp> .title
17:53:57 <phenny> nslater: What actually "does bear s-h-i-t on the woods?" phrase supposed to mean?? - Yahoo! Answers
17:53:58 <phenny> sbp: What actually "does bear s-h-i-t on the woods?" phrase supposed to mean?? - Yahoo! Answers
17:54:02 <nslater> erm
17:54:05 <nsh> i love americans
17:54:06 <nslater> .g site:answers.yahoo.com does the queen of england shit
17:54:06 <Monty> potty mouth!
17:54:06 <phenny> nslater: http://de.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080508232630AAyaOA0&show=7
17:54:10 <nslater> .title
17:54:12 <nsh> don't want to say shit, so they make it even bigger
17:54:12 <phenny> nslater: How do you stop caring what others think about you? - Yahoo! Clever
17:54:37 <nsh> on the other hand
17:54:38 <nslater> .g site:answers.yahoo.com does the queen elizabeth shit
17:54:38 <phenny> nslater: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071121211531AA465XF
17:54:40 <nslater> .title
17:54:41 <phenny> nslater: Famous people in group picture! name them all!? - Yahoo! Answers
17:54:50 <sbp> "is a frogs butt water-tight?"
17:54:54 <nslater> .g site:answers.yahoo.com do royalty shit
17:54:54 <phenny> nslater: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080616212721AAyaRB9&show=7
17:54:57 <nslater> .title
17:54:59 <phenny> nslater: What actually "does bear s-h-i-t on the woods?" phrase supposed to mean?? - Yahoo! Answers
17:55:00 <nsh> whenever i see someone use the word 'curse' as a noun, i want to impale six ways til sunday
17:55:01 <nslater> grr
17:55:13 <nsh> be less fail, noah
17:55:30 <nslater> .g site:answers.yahoo.com nsh
17:55:30 <phenny> nslater: http://answers.yahoo.com/my/profile?show=TGIS8K3xaa
17:55:32 <nslater> .title
17:55:34 <phenny> nslater: Yahoo! Answers - nsh(:'s Q&A profile
17:55:40 <sbp> nsh(:
17:55:48 <nsh> IDENTITY THEFTOR
17:55:57 <MoiraA> nsh: I hate it too
17:56:05 <sbp> don't hate it
17:56:09 <sbp> it is a wonderful pronoun
17:56:10 <nsh> smite it!
17:56:15 <sbp> useful for all kinds of situations
17:56:18 <sbp> no! no abuse to ti
17:56:20 <sbp> it either
17:56:24 <nslater> "does howdy doody have wooden balls?"
17:56:34 <sbp> he doesn't have balls at all
17:56:41 <sbp> little known fact
17:57:00 <nslater> this is what i imagine nsh to look like irl: http://l.yimg.com/img.avatars.yahoo.com/users/1ONsLEgykAAEDVwKd_dF8Cg==.medium.jpg
17:57:10 <sbp> ehheh
17:57:11 <Monty> PHWING
17:57:17 <nslater> PWING
17:57:20 <nslater> PHWING
17:57:24 <nsh> PHWING
17:57:32 <sbp> I imagine he looks like this:
17:57:33 <sbp> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1096/1250810537_8044cac2a0.jpg?v=0
17:57:40 <nslater> woah
17:57:43 <nsh> aha,
17:57:44 <nsh> awesome
17:57:48 <nslater> src?
17:57:54 <nsh> natural fish-eye lense face
17:57:57 <nsh> ++
17:58:03 <nslater> src pls
17:58:17 <sbp> I typed [weird freak] into Google Images
17:58:21 <nslater> hahaha
17:58:22 <sbp> and took a result from the first row
17:58:23 <nsh> rofl
17:58:33 <nslater> http://nsh.deviantart.com/
17:58:53 <nslater> you're pretty good with that dslr there nsh
17:59:21 <sbp> [[[
17:59:22 <nsh> why tanks n ting
17:59:23 <sbp> "I in myselfIn my secret room The floors leak.
17:59:23 <sbp> (You will let yourself in)
17:59:23 <sbp> See. I’m a wolf trapped In your heart cage. "
17:59:26 <sbp> ]]] (etc.)
17:59:29 <nsh> (is sry:/)
17:59:45 <nslater> wonder why this photographer is on deviantart, which is usuall reserved for furry drawings of sonic the hedgehog and that girl from pokemon having sex
17:59:55 <jsled> Morbus: the SSDHD co-op's not online. :( http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3dlgames&message.id=93632#U36885320
18:00:04 <sbp> .g girl from pokemon having sex
18:00:05 <phenny> sbp: http://kezfun.net/search?s=pokemon+sex&s_what=onlinegames
18:00:17 <nslater> lol
18:00:36 <nslater> sbp: http://kezfun.net/1185-Pokemon_Hentai
18:00:43 <nslater> thats pretty epic
18:00:52 <sbp> hahaha
18:00:54 <sbp> "Press "A" KEY to fuck her, hold it to fuck her nonstop."
18:00:56 <sbp> best controls ever
18:00:59 <nsh> ahahah
18:01:01 <nslater> but erm...
18:01:05 <nslater> he's standing in the distance
18:01:13 <nslater> and there is a weird disemodied hand on her thigh
18:01:16 *** nsh changed the topic to: "Swhack: "Press "A" KEY to fuck her, hold it to fuck her nonstop." ¦¦ “take me back to the quarries”"
18:01:16 <nslater> MAKES NO SENSE
18:01:40 <nsh> GRAVITY IS A LIE
18:01:44 <nslater> .u �
18:01:45 <phenny> U+FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER (�)
18:01:48 <clsn> THE EARTH SUCKS
18:01:53 <nslater> YOU'RE a replacement character
18:02:00 <sbp> FACE
18:02:06 <nslater> sry
18:02:07 <nsh> PEW PEW PEW
18:02:13 <nslater> PHWING!
18:02:20 <nsh> PWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
18:02:26 <sbp> BEW BEW DOO WOO QUOO
18:02:27 * nsh misses pwaring
18:02:30 <nslater> you know why pwaring left?
18:02:32 <sbp> yeah, what the fuck
18:02:35 <nsh> BUDTCH BUDTCH BUTDSCH
18:02:36 <nslater> I asked him in privmsg
18:02:42 <sbp> he hated nsh's face?
18:02:48 <nsh> why he say? too crazy?
18:02:51 <nslater> "meh, no one every talked about the semantic web, it was boring"
18:02:52 <sbp> with its fisheyelensness
18:02:56 <nslater> *ever
18:02:56 <sbp> bwahaha
18:02:56 <nsh> ahahah
18:03:11 <nsh> fair criticism
18:03:14 <sbp> yeah
18:04:38 * nsh washes dishes with his finger
18:05:26 <nsh> CHAIRMAN OF THE VELOCITY DEPARTMENT
18:05:35 <sbp> <CHAIRMAN OF THE VELOCITY DEPARTMENT>
18:05:44 <nsh> {{CHAIRMAN OF THE VELOCITY DEPARTMENT}}
18:05:51 <sbp> was stickerising it
18:05:57 <nsh> sweet
18:06:08 <sbp> we can grep the triangloform bracquettes from the logs and get 'em printed one day
18:06:20 <sbp> trouble is we'll have a lot of <Font> and <Blink> and stuff
18:06:38 <nsh> yeah, the ancient summarians had that problem
18:06:49 <sbp> no wonder they never went to the mooon
18:06:51 <nsh> they defeated it using dominos
18:06:51 <nsh> lots and lots of dominos
18:07:01 <sbp> dominos can't get you to the mooon
18:07:10 * nsh nods :-/
18:07:53 <MoiraA> sbp answer in less than 20 seconds
18:07:57 <sbp> nu
18:07:59 <MoiraA> what fuel does a prop plane use?
18:08:05 <sbp> kerosine?
18:08:12 <MoiraA> 20 19 18 17 erm
18:08:13 <xover> Love!
18:08:17 * MoiraA asks string
18:08:23 <nslater> wtf
18:08:36 <xover> Props?
18:08:37 <MoiraA> crap not online
18:08:42 <MoiraA> propeller
18:08:47 <MoiraA> forgot to look at the answer
18:08:58 <xover> Yes, but does it run on props?
18:09:03 <procto> nsh: I know about couchsurfing. But I meant that I know people that can most likely host me in every country on the way, with perhaps the exception of sweden
18:09:06 <procto> norway is a bit iffy, too
18:09:28 <xover> You hot, female, and very blonde?
18:09:56 <sbp> kerosine wasn't right I presume?
18:10:15 <procto> xover: me?
18:10:20 <xover> Yeah.
18:10:24 <sbp> .ety kerosine
18:10:25 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "kerosine". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=kerosine
18:10:48 <nslater> O_O
18:10:50 <nslater> .ety kero-
18:10:50 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "kero-". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=kero-
18:10:51 <sbp> "Kerosene is widely used to power jet-engined aircraft, but is also commonly used as a heating fuel."
18:10:53 <xover> `cause if so, Norway shouldn't be a problem. :-)
18:10:58 <sbp> no mention of props though
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18:11:06 <MoiraA> jets use kerosine
18:11:10 <MoiraA> prop = gas turbine engines
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18:11:42 <procto> xover: haha, I see
18:11:58 <procto> xover: does this turn you on: http://logarchy.org/p/science.jpg
18:12:15 <xover> Well, I like the URL.
18:12:27 <procto> ehehe
18:12:40 <procto> well, that's me.
18:13:11 <xover> As you were being cooked up, or doing the cooking (and if so, what were you cooking up)?
18:13:32 <sbp> .title http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080316191005AAlv3ph
18:13:34 <phenny> sbp: What fuel can a turbo prop jet engine run on? - Yahoo! Answers
18:13:42 <sbp> MoiraA: according to that they can use any fuel pretty much
18:13:47 <sbp> so kerosine would be acceptable, I presume
18:13:54 <xover> Now the same for a ramjet.
18:13:54 <d8uv> tawb
18:13:59 <MoiraA> string says it is more expensive
18:14:00 <sbp> d8ux
18:14:00 <procto> xover: well, there's me, and my DNA is in the testtube and at the tip of the toothpick I'm holding
18:14:01 <MoiraA> so they dont
18:14:10 <MoiraA> he has a pilots licence
18:14:16 <procto> xover: DNA extraction was what I was doing
18:14:18 <sbp> so what's the answer?
18:14:29 <MoiraA> he would :/
18:14:29 <clsn> One look at that picture and al you can hear is Thomas Dolby...
18:14:31 <clsn> .ety handsome
18:14:31 <phenny> "c.1400, handsom 'easy to handle, ready at hand,' from hand (n.) + -some." - http://etymonline.com/?term=handsome
18:14:45 <procto> clsn: what picture?
18:14:46 <procto> mine?
18:14:50 <clsn> Yeah.
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18:14:58 <xover> .ety virtual
18:14:58 <phenny> "1398, 'influencing by physical virtues or capabilities,' from M.L. virtualis, from L. virtus 'excellence, potency, efficacy,' lit. 'manliness, manhood' (see virtue)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=virtual
18:15:09 <sbp> .title http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ajnv.VvSl5srm5MXxrMSVQvd7BR.;_ylv=3?qid=20080717104905AAn7XjL
18:15:12 <phenny> sbp: Does being abstinent mean no masturbation? - Yahoo! Answers
18:15:25 <d8uv> so i had a dream about me and a bunch of comedians walking around a resort built by Frank Gehry, and all I did was just make fun of the stupid building constantly. And I was loved for it
18:15:27 <nsh> WHOA LAGSPIKE
18:15:40 <nslater> "abstinence just means no sexuality"
18:15:40 <procto> clsn: why does it evoke thomas dolby?
18:15:42 <nslater> sounds tough
18:15:48 <nsh> .ety abstain
18:15:48 <phenny> "c.1380, 'to withhold oneself,' from O.Fr. abstenir, from L. abstinere 'withhold,' from ab(s)- 'from, away from' + tenere 'to hold' (see tenet)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=abstain
18:15:55 <nsh> pft
18:15:55 <procto> clsn: oh wait I get it :>
18:16:06 <clsn> .g She blinded me with science
18:16:07 <phenny> clsn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Blinded_Me_With_Science
18:16:12 <procto> clsn: took me a sec :>
18:16:14 <sbp> "Only if you're feeling extra masochistic or just want that 'I'm going to turn into a giant super repressed walking erection' feeling."
18:16:28 <clsn> There are great moments of "Science!" exclamation in the song.
18:16:29 <procto> curiously my gf is not enamored with science at all
18:16:32 <procto> yeah
18:16:46 <procto> I periodically solve a problem or do something easier and I exclaim "SCIENCE!" dramatically
18:16:53 <procto> at which point she usually shakes her head
18:16:57 <xover> .wik Negativity bias
18:16:58 <phenny> "Negativity bias is the name for a psychological phenomenon by which humans pay more attention to and give more weight to negative than positive experiences." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias
18:17:24 <sbp> "The goal is to get to the point that a slight breeze will make you feel full sexual release without having to worry about pregnancy, STD, or long term commitment"
18:17:40 <MoiraA> sorry sbp
18:17:46 <MoiraA> more hassle from derek
18:17:47 <nslater> [[[
18:17:48 <nslater> Yes. You know why? Because when you masturbate what do you have to think of? You're not thinking of pure thoughts when you masturbate but more so fornication, porn, or unclean thoughts. God's word, the Bible reminds us to "Keep abstaining from the unclean thing".
18:17:49 <MoiraA> I am sick
18:17:52 <nslater> It also reminds of to abstain from fornication, adultery, etc., so masturbation is obviously not having marital intercourse with your spouse, so it is not from God; it is from what is not from God. If we are to keep ourselves clean and upright, worthy of God's new system after Armageddon, we can make this sacrifice and keep our thoughts busy with good works and godly deeds. We must work diligently to keep ourselves of clean and sound mind and ...
18:17:58 <nslater> ... judgment for those drawing close to God he will draw close to you. You then will be worthy of his gift of everlasting life free of illness, sin and death.
18:18:02 <nslater> ]]]
18:18:04 <nslater> wow, religion can be really fucked up sometimes
18:18:14 <MoiraA> nslater prove it
18:18:18 <chandler> plus think of all the dead lolkittens
18:18:25 <nslater> okay: -->> PROOF <<--
18:18:29 <chandler> won't anybody think of the lolkittens?
18:18:29 <sbp> "the masturbator’s affection is diverted away from the Creator and is bestowed upon a coveted object, in this case his genitals, which take on undue importance"
18:18:30 <MoiraA> evil is a strong force too
18:18:33 <d8uv> http://fchan.us/src/ah_1215970027857_horseshit2.jpg
18:18:36 <sbp> (from the same writer)
18:18:53 <nslater> sweet
18:18:57 <sbp> d8uv: have you been coveting your genitals again?
18:19:00 <nslater> that's quite a stool
18:19:02 <clsn> But it's okay when it's someone else's tongue?
18:19:06 <nsh> i hope that dude is thinking of god when he defecates
18:19:17 <nsh> otherwise his might will be enraptured by worldly things
18:19:26 <nsh> and detract from contemplate of the glory of the almighty
18:19:31 <nsh> i might write and ask
18:19:37 <nsh> *contemplation
18:19:59 <sbp> [[[
18:19:59 <sbp> ‘Without self-control, let them marry,’ is still the best advice. (1 Cor. 7:9)
18:20:00 <sbp> ]]]
18:20:00 <d8uv> basically kerian and i found a whole slew of horrific images from that site and posted them to each other
18:20:09 <sbp> so if you can't stop masturbating, you must marry
18:20:10 <sbp> it's the only way, people
18:20:15 <clsn> Taking a well-needed crap can be almost as satisfying...
18:20:19 <nslater> "That masturbation is abnormal and unnatural is also indicated by the fact that abnormal, mentally deranged people are notorious masturbators. Somewhat similarly, The Bremerton Sun (Washington) states that many mentally disturbed priests and nuns are chronic masturbators."
18:20:35 <nsh> ahhaha
18:20:35 <sbp> ...
18:20:40 <sbp> .wik The Bremerton Sun
18:20:42 <phenny> "The Kitsap Sun is a newspaper in Bremerton, Washington, that covers general news." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsap_Sun
18:20:42 <chandler> I've been told they're also chronic breathers
18:20:42 <clsn> Almost all mentally deranged people *consistently* breathe. All the time.
18:20:50 <nslater> "Afterward this may leave him with a feeling of nervous frustration and dissatisfaction. Yet he soon has a compelling desire to repeat the act. It is a vicious cycle that is hard to break and that gives no genuine satisfaction."
18:20:50 * clsn hi5s chandler.
18:20:55 <nslater> "no genuine satisfaction."
18:21:04 * chandler frees up a hand to ^5 clsn
18:21:55 <nslater> wow, describing masturbation as 'death-dealing “works of the flesh.”'
18:22:02 <nsh> }}}}}
18:22:08 <nsh> { { { { {
18:22:16 <nslater> @->--<
18:22:21 <nslater> @->-_-<
18:22:24 <nslater> oh shit
18:22:25 <sbp> pummeling the porkpump is the best description
18:22:27 <clsn> I like "self-abuse"...
18:22:38 <clsn> You should sue yourself for abuse, yep.
18:22:46 <nslater> I would make a modification and turn it into death-dealing woes of the flesh
18:23:38 <sbp> I drove my chevy way back on a hill / where I had a moonshine still!
18:24:17 <sbp> they don't build songs like this anymore
18:24:26 <nsh> they've lost the technology
18:24:30 <sbp> hehe
18:25:28 <nsh> the logos is the repository of the forms
18:25:45 <nsh> plato told me over beer last tuesday
18:25:59 <clsn> Any of you guys ever do any flash development? I don't even know what *tools* one could use for it.
18:26:22 <sbp> whatever you use, you can get a mail in rebate on it from Satan
18:26:25 <nslater> the tools adobe provides you with :)
18:26:45 <nsh> flash is made from the organs of dead hookers
18:26:46 <nsh> FACT
18:26:50 <sbp> that really confused me when I went to America
18:26:54 <sbp> mail in rebates. weird shit
18:26:54 <nslater> your face is a fact
18:27:00 <sbp> gald they haven't caught on here
18:27:02 <sbp> GALD
18:27:06 <nsh> gald!
18:27:06 <d8uv> there's also swish (it sucks)
18:27:17 <clsn> But I mean, there are so many games out there, it's such a well-supported cross-platform, um, platform...
18:27:25 <nslater> yeah, weirdness... a right bother to do an ecommerce site in the us for that reason
18:27:52 <nslater> clsn: but not standards track or based on community consensus, or patent/royalty free (probably)
18:28:04 <nsh> .gc "fractal topology"
18:28:05 <phenny> "fractal topology": 1,120
18:28:11 <clsn> Mail-in rebates suck. Unless you're offering them. Then they totally rock, because only like 10% of the people will actually do them, no matter how easy you make it, but a lot of people will THINK they will.
18:28:13 <nslater> not to mention the player and tools are non-free, natch
18:28:16 <clsn> nslater: This is true.
18:28:28 <clsn> But I'm just lookin' at the results....
18:29:01 <clsn> There are a whole LOT of really quite advanced flash apps. True, most of them are games and a lot of those have to do with screwing cartoon characters. But still.
18:29:06 <sbp> only use free things
18:29:14 <clsn> LIKE YOUR MOTHER
18:29:16 <nslater> the results being a technology that in the general case goes against some pretty crucial aspects of webarch and in the only redeaming sense makes up for html poor support for video by f
