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00:27:30 <[bjoern]> .u inf
00:27:31 <phenny> U+221E INFINITY (∞)
00:27:31 <Monty> "you"
00:27:39 <[bjoern]> .gc "∞³"
00:27:40 <phenny> "∞³": 1,950,000
00:42:02 <[bjoern]> .gc "mating is imminent"
00:42:03 <phenny> "mating is imminent": 15
00:55:56 <[bjoern]> .gc +seed-shooter
00:55:57 <phenny> +seed-shooter: 97,600
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02:58:55 <[bjoern]> .wik Sergej Rachmaninow
02:58:56 <phenny> "Sergei Vasilievich Rachmaninoff[a]| (Russian: Сергей Васильевич Рахманинов, Sergej Vasil’evič Rakhmaninov, 1 April 1873 [O.S. 20 March] – 28 March 1943) was a Russian composer, pianist, and conductor." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergej_Rachmaninow
03:00:33 <[bjoern]> .gc "the hat in the cat"
03:00:34 <phenny> "the hat in the cat": 338
03:30:58 <kpreid> .u 00ac
03:30:58 <phenny> U+00AC NOT SIGN (¬)
03:31:03 <kpreid> .u 2020
03:31:03 <phenny> U+2020 DAGGER (†)
03:32:06 <kpreid> .u 0020
03:32:06 <phenny> U+0020 SPACE ( )
03:32:15 <kpreid> .u 00A0
03:32:15 <phenny> U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE ( )
03:36:14 <[bjoern]> So I have an array of 64 bit data blocks, at most 2^24 such blocks. Given a 64 bit data block, if the block is already in the array, I want to know the position in the array quickly and with a high probability. blocks are never removed from the array. fast lookup, little space, easy to implement in c. I've been using a crude hash table implementation and want to get rid of it... suggestions?
03:38:55 <[bjoern]> (strictly speaking it's more like slightly less than 56 bits as it is impossible for two blocks to differ in certain bits)
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03:41:02 <[bjoern]> The looked up block is almost always already in the array.
03:43:53 <[bjoern]> The purpose is to ensure the blocks are stored ideally only once, so if lookup fails the next step would be adding the block to the array...
03:48:33 <nslater> im sitting in my room, with a needle in my hand...
03:48:40 <nslater> sitting in my room, with a needle in my hand...
03:48:51 <nslater> waiting for the tune... of some old dying man!
03:48:54 <[bjoern]> Well use it already!
03:49:31 <nslater> [bjoern]: you like metal?
03:49:53 <[bjoern]> precious yes, loud, less so.
03:50:15 <nslater> ah, okay :)
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03:50:26 <nslater> i am in the middle of rediscovering system of a down
03:50:54 <nslater> i wonder if my lastfm plugin still works..
03:50:56 <nslater> .o lastfm
03:50:58 <phenny> Last played Deer Dance by System of a Down from the album Toxicity - http://www.last.fm/music/System+of+a+Down/_/Deer+Dance
03:51:01 <nslater> wicked
03:52:27 <nslater> this sums up all that is wrong with amature photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/victornuno/449282618/
03:53:02 <nslater> "Well, I think this looks a bit rubbish actually. There is a time and place for HDR techniques. This isn’t one of them."
03:53:57 <nslater> phenny: tell sbp http://farm1.static.flickr.com/215/519004632_bbd87d25f9.jpg
03:53:57 <phenny> nslater: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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03:55:50 <nslater> hello Ficthe
03:56:31 <nslater> Ficthe: do you like system of a down?
03:56:42 <nslater> Ficthe: hello
03:56:45 <nslater> Ficthe: quick
03:56:55 <nslater> Ficthe: erm, hello.. answer quick pls
03:57:24 <nslater> Ficthe: ruthere?
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04:26:51 <Monty> bah, it's chrisb again
04:31:33 <Ficthe> nslater, hi -- who're you?
04:31:40 <Ficthe> And, I think maybe a little
04:32:04 <Ficthe> I listen more to classical rock, and classical (though more romantic, speficially Chopin and Beethoven)
04:32:28 <nslater> Ficthe: the pertinent question for me is... who are *you*?
04:33:24 <Ficthe> Ah, I beg to differ - I think the more pertinent is question is who *you* are, since you were the one who initiated this conversation ;)
04:34:32 <[bjoern]> Ficthe 1 : 0 nslater
04:34:55 <nslater> well, ive been hanging out in swhack for well over a year now, and ive never seen your nick before, and its customary to make fun off, wind up, tease, confuse, and froteur the strangers. of course, you might be one of those people who's actually been comming to swhack for years, but took a haitus, and now when i ask you who you are, i look like an idiot because yuo reply with "dude, ive been comming here for fifty years"
04:35:36 <nslater> ignore [bjoern], he's just a defective bash irc bot
04:36:03 <[bjoern]> That's more than you will ever be.
04:36:12 <Ficthe> Hehe, it'll make you happy to know then that I am new here actually :)
04:36:12 <nslater> : : : ( ( (
04:36:38 <nslater> Ficthe: aah, well -- ive not been paying attention for about a week, so if you joined in the last seven days i would have not noticed
04:36:52 <nslater> Ficthe: have you gone through the initiation ceremony then?
04:37:06 <Ficthe> Nope, I didn't even know there was one
04:37:11 <nslater> Ficthe: basically, you must felate Monty and post pics of all your ex-girlfriends
04:37:16 <Monty> Obama doing that, and also possible known that area and its connotations above
04:37:42 <nslater> Ficthe: i presume you've read The Guide?
04:38:08 <Ficthe> No, I haven't even read The Guide..
04:38:33 <nslater> oh wow
04:38:46 <nslater> Ficthe: please read this post-haste: http://swhack.com/guide
04:38:53 <nslater> Ficthe: then read this: http://swhack.com/faq
04:39:17 <nslater> Ficthe: then read: http://swhack.jottit.com/faq
04:39:24 <Ficthe> Wow, that's a lot of reading
04:39:43 <nslater> nah, you can prolly do it in about 5 mins
04:41:43 <Ficthe> Anyway, I do recall I skip over them :) I'll give them a read
04:41:51 <Ficthe> skimmed*
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04:44:17 <nslater> Ficthe: you best read in detail bitch. im'a test yuo
04:44:49 <Ficthe> Alright. Do I get to test you as well, just for fun?
04:45:08 <nslater> sure
04:58:15 <nslater> Ficthe: i could have revised for BSc in Compsci by now
04:59:43 <Ficthe> I am an incredibly meticulously reader.
05:00:58 <Ficthe> For you'll be quizzing me after I finish, I'm perusing with great care, and looking up etymologies of each individual word for understanding the subject material in my highest capacity.
05:01:10 <Ficthe> -ly* :)
05:01:38 <Ficthe> Ok I'll be honest, I had to go do my laundry.
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05:07:55 <nslater> Ficthe: pfft, people who do laundry are not welcome in this channel
05:15:17 <[bjoern]> .gc devasting
05:15:18 <phenny> devasting: 30,900
05:15:18 <Monty> By way it fell behind a screencast?
05:15:29 <[bjoern]> Monty, by way it did.
05:15:31 <Monty> libby: religious scholars on github
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09:34:52 <laplink> .u -
09:34:52 <phenny> U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS (-)
09:35:01 <laplink> .u –
09:35:02 <phenny> U+2013 EN DASH (–)
09:35:09 <laplink> .u —
09:35:09 <phenny> U+2014 EM DASH (—)
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10:16:54 <laplink> People who do my laundry for me are most welcome in this channel.
10:35:46 <Ricco> i could swear I see a white castle hamberger place in the shots of deep speace from the hubble telescope on [... --sbp]
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10:54:27 <sbp> yo
10:54:27 <phenny> sbp: 03:53Z <nslater> tell sbp http://farm1.static.flickr.com/215/519004632_bbd87d25f9.jpg
10:55:24 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater nearly as good as the milk-tipping pix
10:55:24 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
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11:39:33 <epicgoo> global variables in modules is a nono?
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11:56:09 <epicgoo> hilp :(
11:56:42 <epicgoo> did anyone add threaded modules to phenny?
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12:30:14 <sbp> epicgoo: you thread individual functions
12:30:20 <sbp> f_whatever.thread = True
12:30:51 <epicgoo> oh it has that feature?
12:30:54 <sbp> yeah
12:31:06 <epicgoo> cool
12:31:28 <sbp> it might even be turned on by default
12:36:05 <epicgoo> I am trying to get it announce game messages in an irc channel
12:36:29 <epicgoo> game sends the messages to a listen server
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12:53:55 <epicgoo> is there a special port that phenny uses?
12:54:53 <sbp> port?
12:55:30 <epicgoo> localhost:port
12:55:34 <sbp> well she connects to whatever port you specify, on the ircd
12:55:39 <sbp> no special port client side, nope
12:55:47 <epicgoo> thanks
12:55:55 <sbp> she's not a server
12:56:57 <aspect> phenny: import antigravity
12:57:13 <aspect> aww
12:58:19 <epicgoo> .import antigravity
12:58:49 <Arnia> phenny: import badger
12:59:17 <Arnia> phenny: badger.attack(servers.freenode.swhack.epicgoo)
12:59:38 <epicgoo> ::(
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13:10:15 <sbp> alright, tricky CSS question
13:10:23 <sbp> I want to use an absolute and relative CSS measure
13:10:29 <sbp> say, 700px and 80ex
13:10:39 <sbp> I want to set the width to the larger of the two values
13:10:52 <sbp> what should I do? I've found several things that work
13:11:09 <sbp> e.g. min-width: 700px; max-width: 80ex
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13:16:41 <Monty> yo danja!
13:16:41 <Arnia> sbp: CSS2 and 3 currently don't allow calculations (which is what you need to do unit mixing well)
13:16:41 <sbp> note. if you use max/min, then if max is bigger it will win
13:16:41 <sbp> I know that, but you can still do these workarounds
13:16:41 <sbp> I'm wondering which is the best workaround
13:16:41 * Arnia usually just avoids mixing units :)
13:16:41 <sbp> if max is bigger: that is to say, it'll be fluid down to the smaller value
13:17:25 <sbp> so I guess I should do min/max, and try to make max the bigger
13:21:01 <sbp> hmm. 80ex is only bigger than 700px in the case of Verdana
13:21:08 <sbp> and then only slightly. and Verdana is a pretty big font
13:21:13 <sbp> so...
13:21:19 <sbp> min-width: 80ex; max-width: 700px
13:22:53 <Arnia> Hm. According to Genius, Spaceman by Babylon Zoo is like Boys Will Be Boys by The Ordinary Boys.
13:23:01 <Arnia> I'd never have seen that one...
13:23:39 <Arnia> sbp: remember, Verdana is a very wide-font so ems will be bigger but exes will be smaller
13:23:51 <Arnia> I don't know why I hyphenated like that
13:25:11 <sbp> thanks
13:25:17 <sbp> typography is hard. welcome to layouts!
13:25:51 <sbp> min(...) and max(...) functions in CSS would really be nice
13:26:04 <sbp> Arnia: get cracking on your layout language becoming a REC...
13:27:36 <Arnia> Heh... if someone wants to help write an implementation :p
13:27:49 <sbp> hmm, logically I want to do this the other way around
13:27:53 <sbp> okay, here's the problem:
13:27:56 <Arnia> I have the algorithm now though... using particle-swarm optimisation
13:28:01 <sbp> I have a column of text, and I have images floated left 'n' right in it
13:28:12 <sbp> the images are going to be 350px wide at most
13:28:23 <sbp> and I don't ever want that to be more than half of the width of the column
13:28:29 <sbp> so clearly, min-width: 700px
13:28:43 <sbp> on the other hand, I don't want the column of text to ever be wider than 80ex
13:28:49 <sbp> so max-width: 80ex
13:29:04 <sbp> now, if these conflict... which one do I care more about?
13:29:20 <sbp> because I don't use images all that often, I suppose I care most about max-width: 80ex
13:29:54 <sbp> problem is, larger values always in in min/max
13:30:02 <sbp> and 700px is almost always larger than 80ex
13:30:12 <Arnia> hm...
13:30:18 <sbp> so doing this, doing it the logical way, 700px is going to win
13:30:24 <sbp> (say 80ex -> 500px or something)
13:32:50 <sbp> so what I want is:
13:32:51 <sbp> width: 80ex
13:32:51 <sbp> if (700px < 80ex)
13:32:51 <sbp> width: 700px
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13:35:41 <sbp> this is quite an annoying problem
13:35:49 <sbp> what ever happened to those fractal image formats?
13:38:37 <sbp> px is weird anyway, thinking about it
13:39:36 <Arnia> they're still used
13:39:50 <Arnia> They're just really computationally expensive to scale
13:39:56 <sbp> ah
13:40:00 <sbp> shame
13:40:03 <Arnia> Seam carving is better
13:40:37 <sbp> they should add seam carving to HTML 5. or CSS 3
13:41:49 <Arnia> scale-mode: seam;
13:43:30 <sbp> woah, cool:
13:43:31 <sbp> http://n.parashuram.googlepages.com/seamcarving.html
13:44:20 <sbp> shame, the implementation seems broken
13:44:24 <sbp> it only appears to use one seam
13:44:56 <Arnia> It isn't a hard algorithm to implement
13:46:35 <Arnia> Basically you form the two gradient images and then use those to create a graph which you apply a search algorithm to
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13:48:04 <saml> .u snow
13:48:04 <Monty> "you"
13:48:04 <phenny> U+2603 SNOWMAN (☃)
13:48:05 <Monty> "you"
13:49:20 <sbp> hmm
13:49:24 <epicgoo> .u a
13:49:24 <phenny> U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A (a)
13:49:28 <sbp> they should have defined px in terms of degrees
13:49:30 <epicgoo> .u ğ
13:49:31 <phenny> U+011F LATIN SMALL LETTER G WITH BREVE (ğ)
13:49:32 <sbp> px is such a misnomer
13:49:40 <epicgoo> cool
13:50:10 <sbp> 1px = 0.0213°
13:50:15 <Arnia> sbp: there are lots of better units they could have used
13:50:28 <sbp> .c 0.0213 degrees in radians
13:50:28 <phenny> 0.0213 degrees = 0.000371755131 radians
13:50:35 <sbp> .c 0.0213 degrees in microradians
13:50:35 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no result.
13:50:37 <sbp> hehe
13:50:40 <Arnia> sbp: everything would have been better if they'd started with resolution independence for example
13:51:07 <sbp> .c 0.000371755131 / 1000000
13:51:08 <phenny> 0.000371755131 / 1 000 000 = 3.71755131e-10
13:51:12 <sbp> er
13:51:15 <sbp> .c 0.000371755131 * 1000000
13:51:15 <phenny> 0.000371755131 * 1 000 000 = 371.755131
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13:52:03 <sbp> .c 0.000371755131 / 0.001
13:52:03 <phenny> 0.000371755131 / 0.001 = 0.371755131
13:52:17 <sbp> .c (0.000371755131 / 0.001) * 700
13:52:17 <phenny> (0.000371755131 / 0.001) * 700 = 260.228592
13:52:29 <sbp> 260 milliradians... hmm...
13:52:41 <sbp> .c (0.000371755131 / 0.000001) * 700
13:52:41 <phenny> (0.000371755131 / 0.000001) * 700 = 260 228.592
13:52:56 <sbp> not exceptionally handy
13:56:10 <sbp> .c 0.0213 degrees in grads
13:56:10 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no result.
13:57:08 <sbp> .c 0.000371755131 * (200 / pi)
13:57:08 <phenny> 0.000371755131 * (200 / pi) = 0.0236666667
13:57:44 <sbp> .c 0.0213 * 700
13:57:44 <phenny> 0.0213 * 700 = 14.91
13:57:50 <sbp> .gc 0.0236666667 * 700
13:57:51 <phenny> 0.0236666667 * 700: 0
13:57:56 <sbp> .c 0.0236666667 * 700
13:57:57 <phenny> 0.0236666667 * 700 = 16.5666667
13:58:33 <sbp> .c 0.000371755131 * 700
13:58:33 <phenny> 0.000371755131 * 700 = 0.260228592
13:59:44 <sbp> .c 0.25 / 0.000371755131
13:59:44 <phenny> 0.25 / 0.000371755131 = 672.485674
13:59:49 <sbp> interesting
14:00:09 <sbp> width: 672.486px; /* quarter of a radian */
14:02:22 <sbp> .c 1 - (1 / phi)
14:02:22 <phenny> 1 - (1 / the golden ratio) = 0.381966011
14:02:50 <sbp> .c (1 - (1 / phi)) / 0.000371755131
14:02:50 <phenny> (1 - (1 / phi)) / 0.000371755131 = 1 027.46668
14:03:05 <sbp> maths is fun
14:04:14 <sbp> .c 0.333333333333333333333333333 / 0.000371755131
14:04:15 <phenny> 0.333333333333333333333333333 / 0.000371755131 = 896.647566
14:06:02 <sbp> this is pretty funny, when you think about it:
14:06:16 <sbp> “It is recommended that the reference pixel be the visual angle of one pixel on a device with a pixel density of 96dpi and a distance from the reader of an arm's length. For a nominal arm's length of 28 inches, the visual angle is therefore about 0.0213 degrees.” — http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata
14:06:23 <sbp> they're not actually basing it on 28 inches
14:06:31 <sbp> they're basing it on the length of the arm
14:07:13 <Arnia> That's wonderfully convoluted :)
14:07:39 <sbp> so basically they're using the Flemish Ell
14:07:56 <sbp> cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vitruvian_Man_Measurements.png
14:12:12 <sbp> makes you wonder how px is actually implemented
14:13:49 <sbp> .c 360 / 0.0213
14:13:50 <phenny> 360 / 0.0213 = 16 901.4085
14:14:01 <sbp> .c 360 / 16900
14:14:01 <phenny> 360 / 16 900 = 0.0213017751
14:14:10 <sbp> that would be nice
14:14:19 <sbp> 1/16900 of a circumference
14:14:44 <sbp> .c 16900 / 400
14:14:45 <phenny> 16 900 / 400 = 42.25
14:15:09 <sbp> 1/42.25 of a grad then?
14:15:52 <sbp> they do say it's approximate... wonder how they worked it out
14:15:57 <sbp> I can't quite figure out the chord equation
14:16:19 <sbp> chord(theta) = 2 sin theta/2
14:16:33 <sbp> rearrange rhs for theta pls thx
14:16:58 <sbp> I suck so much at maths
14:25:05 <sbp> oh, I'm an idiot. it's just the cosine law
14:25:07 <sbp> chuckle
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14:31:42 <sbp> so...
14:31:43 <sbp> >>> math.acos((28**2 + 28**2 + - (1.0/96)**2)/(2 * 28 * 28))
14:31:43 <sbp> 0.00037202381153856896
14:31:43 <sbp> >>>
14:31:48 <sbp> and...
14:31:50 <sbp> .c 0.00037202381153856896 in degrees
14:31:51 <phenny> 0.00037202381153856896 = 0.0213153943 degrees
14:32:13 <sbp> .c 360 / 0.0213153943
14:32:13 <phenny> 360 / 0.0213153943 = 16 889.202
14:33:30 * sbp notes that he typoed + - and it still works; cool
14:34:58 <sbp> I can't help but think this must simplify somehow in terms of 28, 96, and radians...
14:35:09 <sbp> and probably pi
14:41:03 <saml> what is '\\b' ?
14:41:22 <saml> .u '\\b'
14:41:22 <phenny> saml: U+0027 U+005C U+005C U+0062 U+0027
14:43:10 <sbp> saml: bell
14:43:12 <sbp> .u BELL
14:43:13 <phenny> U+237E BELL SYMBOL (⍾)
14:43:21 <sbp> heh. well it's in there somewhere
14:43:25 <epicgoo> .u \x01a
14:43:28 <phenny> epicgoo: Sorry, no results
14:43:29 * sbp manages to get it to:
14:43:32 <sbp> .u 001A
14:43:33 <phenny> U+001A (No name found)
14:43:33 <Monty> "you"
14:43:34 <sbp> >>> math.asin(1.0 / 2688)
14:43:35 <sbp> 0.00037202381810526558
14:43:39 <epicgoo> .u \x01ab
14:43:39 <saml> ah thanks
14:43:41 <phenny> epicgoo: Sorry, no results
14:43:49 <sbp> you're welcome
14:44:04 <saml> .u 뷁
14:44:05 <phenny> U+BDC1 HANGUL SYLLABLE BWELG (뷁)
14:44:06 <Monty> "you"
14:44:41 <saml> i'm reading codepoints.py for phenny
14:45:00 <saml> i feel smart because i'm reading source code!
14:47:12 <epicgoo> is there a way to release a python script without source code?
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14:48:43 <someoneyoutrust> :D
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15:09:32 <saml> r_label = re.compile('\\b' + arg.replace(' ', '.*\\b') + '\\b') how come this finds unicode?
15:10:13 <saml> ah i should read document for re for escape sequences
15:10:24 <saml> i'm so smart
15:10:59 <saml> Matches the empty string, but only at the beginning or end of a word.
15:12:08 <saml> let's say i passed a b c to .u
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15:12:44 <saml> then r_label will be \\ba.*\\bb.*\\bc\\b
15:15:38 <sbp> saml: oh, \b in regexp... sorry, I see
15:15:43 <sbp> I think \a is bell, come to think of it
15:15:51 <sbp> but then, not in regexp
15:15:59 <sbp> yeah, boundary
15:16:07 <saml> i'm trying to make a web application version of .u
15:16:09 <sbp> usually you'd use r'...'
15:16:24 <sbp> saml: oh, I already did that somewhere for the previous version
15:16:28 <sbp> not the new version though
15:16:37 <sbp> right. so I was thinking about px and pt this time
15:16:47 <sbp> so when you measure a font in px, what happens?
15:16:56 <sbp> and clearly it must relate to pt, though relativised
15:17:43 <saml> i have no idea. i just want to do something like http://unicodesnowmanforyou.com/ ; but it has search functionality of .u
15:17:45 <sbp> so, “pt: points — the points used by CSS 2.1 are equal to 1/72nd of an inch.”
15:17:58 <sbp> saml: that'd be pretty cool
15:18:26 <sbp> so given 96dpi...
15:18:36 <sbp> I have a feeling the ratio is going to be 72:96
15:19:07 <sbp> so, let's take 15pt...
15:19:12 <sbp> .c 15 / 96 * 72
15:19:12 <phenny> (15 / 96) * 72 = 11.25
15:19:18 <sbp> er, wrong way around
15:19:25 <sbp> .c 15 * 96 / 72
15:19:25 <phenny> (15 * 96) / 72 = 20
15:19:38 <sbp> so 15pt = 20px on 96dpi?
15:19:43 * sbp tries it out
15:20:33 <sbp> yup!
15:21:05 <sbp> well that's pretty cool
15:21:14 <sbp> they should have made a relative-pt unit
15:21:36 <sbp> 15rpt = 20px
15:23:36 <sbp> my default font is 16px... so that's...
15:23:42 <sbp> .c 16 / 96 * 72
15:23:42 <phenny> (16 / 96) * 72 = 12
15:23:43 <Monty> mnnm
15:23:46 <sbp> 12pt?
15:23:57 <sbp> yeah. splendid
15:24:44 <sbp> so font-size: 16px means: perspectively the same as 12pt at the distance of a Flemish ell
15:25:00 <sbp> for some slightly strane 28in definition of a Flemish ell
15:25:03 <sbp> Flemish superell
15:25:15 <sbp> *strange
15:28:33 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater on a 96dpi display, 4/3pt = 1px and 1pt = 3/4px, but this ratio *changes* according to the dpi of the display. and this is all nifty just because point sizes are defined as 1/72in and 96dpi is the standard monitor resolution. just thought you'd like to know. also, 1px = arcsin(1/2688) as a recommended value, because they use a 28in as a Flemish ell for some reason
15:28:33 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
15:29:35 <sbp> so in other words, always use px to define font sizes on screens
15:32:25 <sbp> 8pt = 10.667px
15:32:25 <sbp> 9pt = 12px
15:32:25 <sbp> 10pt = 13.333px
15:32:25 <sbp> 10.5pt = 14px
15:32:25 <sbp> 11pt = 14.667px
15:32:26 <sbp> 11.5pt = 15.333px
15:32:28 <sbp> 12pt = 16px
15:32:30 <sbp> 13pt = 17.333px
15:32:32 <sbp> - on 96dpi at 28in
15:33:16 <sbp> since font designers tend to design around point sizes...
15:33:27 <sbp> it seems very peculiar to have not defined a relative point measure
15:33:36 <sbp> even though the standard dpi is 96
15:33:55 <sbp> then again, px is obviously rather useful for images and whatnot
15:34:04 <sbp> because... 1px = one screen pixel
15:34:48 <sbp> hmm. so how does this equate to screen sizes and resolutions?
15:36:37 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixels_per_inch#Calculation_of_monitor_PPI
15:38:29 <sbp> so for me...
15:38:31 <sbp> .c sqrt(1024**2 + 768**2) / 13
15:38:31 <phenny> sqrt((1 024 ** 2) + (768 ** 2)) / 13 = 98.4615385
15:38:37 <sbp> 98ish ppi
15:39:17 <sbp> if I changed my resolution, would the pt:px ratio change?
15:39:19 <sbp> it ought to
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16:01:34 <sbp> English lipsum:
16:01:35 <sbp> [[[
16:01:35 <sbp> But I must you how mistaken idea praising was and will complete account the system, and expound the actual teachings of the of the truth, happiness. One rejects, dislikes, or avoids is pleasure, because those do not know how pursue pleasure rationally encounter consequences that are painful. Nor again there anyone desires to itself, it is but occasionally toil and pain can some pleasure. To take trivial example, which of ever laborious some advantage from
16:01:35 <sbp> right find with chooses pleasure has consequences, or one avoids that produces no resultant.
16:01:36 <sbp> ]]]
16:01:56 <sbp> I took Rackham's translation of Cicero and did this:
16:01:57 <sbp> >>> for i in xrange(77):
16:01:57 <sbp> ... del text[random.choice(range(len(text)))]
16:01:58 <sbp> ...
16:02:16 <sbp> which is roughly in the same proportion of text omission as from the original
16:07:02 <sbp> .c 0.1 / 0.000371755131
16:07:02 <phenny> 0.1 / 0.000371755131 = 268.99427
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16:07:10 <sbp> .c 0.05 / 0.000371755131
16:07:10 <phenny> 0.05 / 0.000371755131 = 134.497135
16:07:22 <sbp> .c (1/30) / 0.000371755131
16:07:22 <phenny> (1 / 30) / 0.000371755131 = 89.6647566
16:07:27 <sbp> .c (1/25) / 0.000371755131
16:07:27 <phenny> (1 / 25) / 0.000371755131 = 107.597708
16:15:21 <sbp> .c (1/30) / arcsin(1/2688)
16:15:21 <phenny> (1 / 30) / arcsin(1 / 2 688) = 89.5999979
16:16:01 <sbp> .c (1/25) / arcsin(1/2688)
16:16:02 <phenny> (1 / 25) / arcsin(1 / 2 688) = 107.519998
16:16:18 <sbp> .c (1/20) / arcsin(1/2688)
16:16:18 <phenny> (1 / 20) / arcsin(1 / 2 688) = 134.399997
16:16:37 <sbp> presumably these aren't nearly-rounding nicely out of coincidence?
16:17:00 <sbp> .c 1 / arcsin(1/2688)
16:17:00 <phenny> 1 / arcsin(1 / 2 688) = 2 687.99994
16:17:10 <sbp> ah!
16:19:03 <sbp> .c 1 radian in degrees
16:19:03 <phenny> 1 radian = 57.2957795 degrees
16:19:07 <sbp> .c 0.0213153943 * 2688
16:19:08 <phenny> 0.0213153943 * 2 688 = 57.2957799
16:19:10 <sbp> aha
16:19:26 <sbp> so 1px = 1/2688 radians
16:25:57 <sbp> hmm, no. something must be wrong there
16:26:05 <sbp> because...
16:26:06 <sbp> .c pi / arcsin(1 / 2688)
16:26:07 <phenny> pi / arcsin(1 / 2688) = 8 444.60086
16:26:27 <sbp> so an 8444.6px width display ought to saturate the entire field, right?
16:26:42 <sbp> oh, I know what I've done wrong
16:26:54 <sbp> I've set the radius as 28in...
16:27:01 <sbp> obviously that's not what I want to do!
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16:32:47 <sbp> alright. calculating for just one pixel...
16:32:49 <sbp> .c sqrt((1/192)**2 + 28**2)
16:32:49 <phenny> sqrt(((1 / 192) ** 2) + (28 ** 2)) = 28.0000005
16:33:06 <sbp> so that's going to be pretty roughly right for that anyway
16:33:25 <sbp> it's just that my fractions of radians calculations are going to be all messed up
16:33:29 <sbp> (sniffle)
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16:36:10 <sbp> oh wait, of course I'm accurate on this
16:36:18 <sbp> because I used a right triangle anyway
16:37:11 <sbp> ah, I need to use atan
16:37:17 <sbp> for O/A
16:37:27 <sbp> the H is the unknown radius
16:37:35 <sbp> and A is the distance from the viewer to the monitor
16:37:55 <sbp> O is half of whatever I'm trying to flipping measure, in this case half of 1/96in
16:38:18 <aspect> need the monitor be flat?
16:38:22 <sbp> YES
16:38:29 <aspect> treat it as curved, O~=A :)
16:38:33 <sbp> nooOoo
16:38:34 <sbp> hehe
16:38:34 <aspect> H
16:38:39 <sbp> .c arctan(((1/96)/2) / 28)
16:38:39 <phenny> arctan(((1 / 96) / 2) / 28) = 0.000186011903
16:38:48 <sbp> .c arctan(((1/96)/2) / 28) radians in degrees
16:38:49 <phenny> arctan(((1 / 96) / 2) / 28) * radians = 0.010657697 degrees
16:38:55 <sbp> oh right, that's half
16:38:58 <sbp> .c arctan(((1/96)/2) / 28) *2 radians in degrees
16:38:59 <phenny> arctan(((1 / 96) / 2) / 28) * 2 radians = 0.0213153939 degrees
16:39:17 <sbp> .c arctan(((1/96)/2) / 28) * 2
16:39:17 <phenny> arctan(((1 / 96) / 2) / 28) * 2 = 0.000372023805
16:39:22 <aspect> only for the central pixel though
16:39:43 * aspect scrolls up to try and work out what you're measuring
16:39:55 <sbp> the CSS px unit
16:40:05 <sbp> 1px = 0.000372023805 radians
16:41:01 <aspect> why radians?
16:41:37 <sbp> well, just because they're mathematically standard
16:41:48 <sbp> easy enough to convert to degrees... or grads if you're inclined that way
16:42:02 <aspect> why an angular measure?
16:42:19 <sbp> because the px is defined in terms of angular measurement
16:42:33 <aspect> how bizarre
16:42:35 <sbp> 1px = arctan(((1/96)/2) / 28) * 2 radians
16:42:55 <sbp> but then, and this is the bit that caught me out...
16:43:00 <sbp> it doesn't scale in terms of angular measurement
16:43:06 <sbp> now you use multiples of that as the Opp
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16:43:22 <sbp> so clearly the ratio between that and the angular measurement is going to change
16:44:08 <sbp> so, if I've not fucked this up again which I probably have...
16:44:12 <sbp> .c arctan((((1/96)/2) * 100) / 28) * 2
16:44:12 <phenny> arctan((((1 / 96) / 2) * 100) / 28) * 2 = 0.0371980911
16:44:17 <sbp> that should be 100px in radians
16:44:25 <sbp> .c arctan((((1/96)/2) * 1000000000000) / 28) * 2
16:44:26 <phenny> arctan((((1 / 96) / 2) * 1 000 000 000 000) / 28) * 2 = 3.14159264
16:44:36 <sbp> yes. clearly it tends towards pi radians
16:44:52 <sbp> because an infinite sized monitor is going to be pi radians in the view
16:45:03 <sbp> even when it's 28in from your face
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16:47:16 <sbp> aspect: you're good at teh maths?
16:47:23 <sbp> how do you rearrange r = arctan((((1/96)/2) * p) / 28) * 2 to find p?
16:47:41 <sbp> obviously r/2 = arctan((((1/96)/2) * p) / 28), but then I get stuck
16:48:43 <aspect> hold on .. it's nearly 4am so my brain's not entirely switched on
16:49:19 <aspect> can you state in words?
16:49:50 <sbp> well at the moment I can calculate the radians from the number of px
16:50:06 <sbp> so if you have a 500px box on the screen, I can tell you its apparent width in terms of radians
16:50:14 <sbp> what if I know the radians and want the px though?
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16:50:29 <sbp> so to get the radians, I do r = arctan((((1/96)/2) * p) / 28) * 2
16:50:51 <sbp> clearly, swapping it around, if I know the radians and want the px I need to rearrange this to have p = ...
16:51:04 <sbp> and since I'm so awesome I can do the first step: r/2 = arctan((((1/96)/2) * p) / 28)
16:51:08 <sbp> but then I get stuck
16:51:13 <aspect> .c arctain( (((1/96)/2) * 123) / 28)
16:51:14 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
16:51:17 <aspect> .c arctan( (((1/96)/2) * 123) / 28)
16:51:17 <phenny> arctan((((1 / 96) / 2) * 123) / 28) = 0.0228754733
16:51:32 <aspect> .c arctan( ( 123 / (2668*2))
16:51:33 <phenny> arctan(123 / (2668 * 2)) = 0.0230468931
16:51:49 <aspect> .c arctan( ( 123 / (2688*2))
16:51:50 <phenny> arctan(123 / (2688 * 2)) = 0.0228754733
16:52:03 <aspect> ok, a simpler form helps it make sense :)
16:52:14 <sbp> you and your simplicity
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16:52:21 <sbp> .c 2688 * 2
16:52:21 <phenny> 2 688 * 2 = 5 376
16:52:43 <sbp> so, r/2 = arctan(p / 5376) right?
16:52:44 <aspect> so in the triangle: a=123; d=5376
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16:53:24 <aspect> you want to know a given T .... tan(T) = a/5376 ?
16:53:39 <sbp> ah! yes
16:53:44 <sbp> that should have been obvious, thanks
16:53:50 <aspect> .c tan(0.228745733)*5376
16:53:50 <phenny> tan(0.228745733) * 5 376 = 1 251.64419
16:53:56 <sbp> so... tan(r/2) = p / 5376
16:54:05 <sbp> so 5376 * tan(r/2)!
16:54:16 <aspect> .c tan(0.228745733/2)*5376
16:54:17 <phenny> tan(0.228745733 / 2) * 5 376 = 617.563697
16:54:27 <sbp> .c arctan((((1 / 96) / 2) * 3000) / 28) * 2
16:54:27 <phenny> arctan((((1 / 96) / 2) * 3 000) / 28) * 2 = 1.01798345
16:54:39 <sbp> .c 5376 * tan(1.01798345/2)
16:54:40 <phenny> 5 376 * tan(1.01798345 / 2) = 3 000
16:54:44 <sbp> excellent. thanks!
16:55:02 <sbp> so...
16:55:04 <sbp> .c 5376 * tan(1/2)
16:55:04 <phenny> 5 376 * tan(1 / 2) = 2 936.92219
16:55:09 <sbp> that's one radian
16:55:15 <sbp> .c 5376 * tan((1/50)/2)
16:55:16 <phenny> 5 376 * tan((1 / 50) / 2) = 53.7617921
16:55:45 <aspect> .c 5376 * tan(pi/180)
16:55:46 <phenny> 5376 * tan(pi / 180) = 93.8384291
16:56:10 <aspect> .c 5376 * tan(5*pi/180)
16:56:11 <phenny> 5376 * tan((5 * pi) / 180) = 470.339055
16:56:25 <aspect> that's about the size of the moon, innit?
16:56:35 <aspect> .c diameter of moon
16:56:36 <phenny> diameter of moon = 3 474.8 kilometers
16:56:42 <sbp> oh man
16:56:43 <aspect> .c distance to moon
16:56:44 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
16:56:50 <aspect> .c distance from earth to moon
16:56:51 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
16:57:15 <sbp> Perigee 363 104 km (0.002 4 AU)
16:57:15 <sbp> Apogee 405 696 km (0.002 7 AU)
16:57:32 <sbp> .c (363104 + 405696) / 2
16:57:32 <phenny> (363 104 + 405 696) / 2 = 384 400
16:57:51 <aspect> .c tan(3475/384403)
16:57:51 <phenny> tan(3 475 / 384 403) = 0.00904023815
16:57:56 <aspect> .c tan(3475/384403)*180/pi
16:57:57 <phenny> (tan(3475 / 384 403) * 180) / pi = 0.517967492
16:58:07 <aspect> arg
16:58:11 <aspect> .c arctan(3475/384403)*180/pi
16:58:11 <sbp> .c 5376 * tan(0.00904023815 / 2)
16:58:12 <phenny> (arctan(3475 / 384 403) * 180) / pi = 0.517939273
16:58:13 <phenny> 5 376 * tan(0.00904023815 / 2) = 24.3003256
16:58:24 <sbp> so the moon is about 24.3px
16:59:40 <aspect> half a degree, that's right
16:59:48 <aspect> so I was only out by an order of magnitude :)
17:00:43 <sbp> where did you get 384403 by the way?
17:00:56 <aspect> wikipedia
17:01:09 <sbp> oh, yeah. gotcha
17:01:26 <aspect> .c tan(1/100)
17:01:26 <phenny> tan(1 / 100) = 0.0100003333
17:01:30 <aspect> .c tan(1/100)*180/pi
17:01:31 <phenny> (tan(1 / 100) * 180) / pi = 0.572976894
17:01:42 <aspect> .c tan(1/10)*180/pi
17:01:43 <phenny> (tan(1 / 10) * 180) / pi = 5.74875325
17:02:09 <sbp> .c 5376 * tan(tan(3474.8/384403) / 2)
17:02:10 <phenny> 5 376 * tan(tan(3 474.8 / 384 403) / 2) = 24.298927
17:02:19 <nslater> sbp: did you see the links i added to our notebook?
17:02:19 <phenny> nslater: 10:55Z <sbp> tell nslater nearly as good as the milk-tipping pix
17:02:25 <phenny> nslater: 15:28Z <sbp> tell nslater on a 96dpi display, 4/3pt = 1px and 1pt = 3/4px, but this ratio *changes* according to the dpi of the display. and this is all nifty just because point sizes are defined as 1/72in and 96dpi is the standard monitor resolution. just thought you'd like to know. also, 1px = arcsin(1/2688) as a recommended value, because they use a 28in as a Flemish ell for some reason
17:02:26 <sbp> nslater: ah, hello!
17:02:28 <sbp> nope
17:02:37 <sbp> nslater: sorry, I fucked up
17:02:41 <sbp> nslater: 1px = arctan(1/5376) * 2 radians, recommended
17:02:54 <sbp> nslater: so the moon is 5376 * tan(tan(3474.8/384403) / 2) px, or about 24.3px wide
17:03:14 <nslater> sbp:
17:03:18 <nslater> ghey
17:03:28 <nslater> sbp: http://informationarchitects.jp/100e2r/
17:04:41 <sbp> “The font size you are reading right now is not big. It’s the text size browsers display by default. It’s the text size browsers were intended to display.”
17:04:47 <sbp> how does he know?
17:04:58 <sbp> so I mean he's presumably using 1em, right?
17:05:06 <nslater> well, i am guessing 100%
17:05:08 <sbp> so that depends on what value I set my font size to in Firefox's preferences
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17:05:14 <sbp> which is currently 16px
17:05:14 <nslater> and browser by default us 16px
17:05:20 <sbp> which is 12pt on 96dpi at 28in
17:05:34 <sbp> (a Flemish ell)
17:05:39 <jsled> phenny!
17:05:40 <phenny> jsled!
17:05:41 <sbp> (rather, superell)
17:06:08 <sbp> “Good Nielsen - bad Nielsen.” — chuckle
17:06:21 <jsled> [[[
17:06:23 <jsled> The best thing about this product is that it teaches kids about the realities of living in a high-surveillence society. My son said he wants the Playmobil Neighborhood Surveillence System set for Christmas. I've heard that the CC TV cameras on that thing are pretty worthless in terms of quality and motion detection, so I think I'll get him the Playmobil Abu-Gharib Interogation Set instead (it comes with a cute little memo from George Bush).
17:06:28 <jsled> ]]] - http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0002CYTL2/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
17:06:43 <sbp> nslater: “The basic rule is: 10һ15 words per line. For liquid layouts, at 100% font size, 50% column width (in relation to window size) is a good benchmark for most screen resolutions.” — ugh! why doesn't he recommend in terms of em or ex? isn't that more obvious?
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17:07:07 <nslater> well, cf. neilsen's css
17:07:57 <sbp> hmm?
17:08:23 <nslater> neilen uses 50em or what have you, and i think that's the value he's prolly talking about
17:09:03 <sbp> if he were talking about Nielsen and Nielsen uses an em value, then so would this guy wouldn't he?
17:09:13 <sbp> it doesn't make sense to use column width
17:09:17 <nslater> dunno
17:09:23 <sbp> when what you're talking about is a property of words per line
17:09:37 <sbp> which is best measurable in relative font size... i.e. ex or em
17:09:39 <nslater> send him an email :)
17:10:02 <sbp> nah. too busy thinking up fun px measurements
17:10:09 <sbp> like... Eiffel tower from a mile away?
17:10:38 <sbp> .c 1 mile in metres
17:10:39 <phenny> 1 mile = 1 609.344 meters
17:10:50 <sbp> Eiffel tower is 324m high, so...
17:11:16 <sbp> .c 5376 * tan(tan(324/1609.344) / 2)
17:11:16 <phenny> 5 376 * tan(tan(324 / 1 609.344) / 2) = 550.503613
17:11:35 <sbp> Eiffel tower from a mile away: 550.5px
17:12:29 <nslater> yay, i am bein followed by h4ck3rm1k3 on twitter
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17:13:01 <sbp> ooh
17:13:05 <sbp> you know what might be cool...
17:13:07 <sbp> a combined measurement
17:13:13 <nslater> <sbo> who is h4ck3rm1k3 nslater?
17:13:16 <nslater> absolutely no idea
17:13:20 <sbp> something that averages out ex/em and px
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17:40:48 <[bjoern]> .today. slow news day is.
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17:41:51 <sbp> [bjoern]: yeah, that's why (with the hep of aspect) I worked out that the moon is on average 24.3px wide
17:42:09 <[bjoern]> averaged over what?
17:42:20 <sbp> perigee and apogee
17:42:47 <[bjoern]> I was gonna say that's a dog food brand and a sofware distributor,
17:42:53 <[bjoern]> but I think it's Pedigree or something.
17:43:02 <sbp> and the software distributor probably went bust
17:43:17 <[bjoern]> I've seen pix where the moon is many px wide
17:43:47 <sbp> yeah. I was calculating it for the real moon
17:43:48 <[bjoern]> Why, not at all
17:43:50 <[bjoern]> .wik Apogee Software)
17:43:51 <phenny> "3D Realms (legal name Apogee Software, Ltd.) is the name of a video and computer game producer, publisher, and developer based in Garland, Texas, a suburb of Dallas, established in 1987." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Realms
17:44:05 <sbp> could've gone bust in 1988. what's the next sentence say?
17:44:19 <sbp> [bjoern]: also, 1px = arctan(1/5376) * 2 radians
17:44:26 <sbp> which should be fairly obvious
17:44:45 <[bjoern]> Well ultimately it'd point out they are working on Duke Nukem Forever
17:44:53 <sbp> oh right
17:44:55 <sbp> “working on”
17:45:06 <[bjoern]> putting it that way has an interesting twist to it, for forever
17:45:58 <[bjoern]> remind me in 30 minutes to well rice it up, or something else, for the fish's funeral.
17:45:59 <Monty> [bjoern]: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sat Jan 17 18:17:56 GMT 2009
17:49:58 <sbp> formulæ reference:
17:49:58 <sbp> r = arctan(p/5376) * 2
17:49:58 <sbp> p = 5376 * tan(r/2)
17:51:04 <[bjoern]> Does æ̈ combine for you?
17:51:21 <sbp> yup
17:52:09 <[bjoern]> irc/ie/opera all show missing glyph sym, odd
17:52:34 <[bjoern]> ö works
17:52:44 <sbp> æ̈̈
17:53:02 <sbp> does that show a missing glyph symbol with a diaresis on top? :-)
17:53:57 <[bjoern]> I can select it only as a whole, and it's two subsequent missing glyph chars
18:03:43 <[bjoern]> Monty I'm starving, I really need that reminder
18:03:48 <Monty> fair enough I guess we'll do expect that needs to see the doctor had thought i prefer Darjeeling
18:10:41 <shepazu> anyone here know what RDF/dc elements are appropriate for indicating the name of the program that generated a file (I'm thinking <generator> or something, including a link to the program's site)
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18:16:17 <Monty> [bjoern]: You asked me to remind you to well rice it up, or something else, for the fish's funeral.
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18:53:08 <Arnia_> boing
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18:54:59 <[bjoern]> Welcome, your Boingness.
18:55:23 <Arnia_> I don't have my tiara
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18:57:37 <[bjoern]> Well then you'll just have to beat people up with your racket instead.
18:58:16 * Arnia_ boings [bjoern]
18:58:43 <Arnia_> shame your name doesn't begin with c
18:59:03 * Arnia_ boings clsn
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19:01:35 <[bjoern]> "Hey don't eat that! It's Pluto!"
19:02:12 <Arnia_> srcplz
19:02:33 <[bjoern]> Gattaca
19:03:21 * Arnia_ boings genetically
19:03:56 <Arnia_> I will eat your codons
19:04:46 <[bjoern]> Thank you.
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19:06:16 <Arnia_> saves you the effort
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19:09:29 <Arnia_> I'm sleepy again. It is too windy outside as well. Grr
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19:11:36 <Arnia_> .o steps "Franz Ferdinand" erotica
19:11:39 <phenny> Franz Ferdinand > Alfred J. Kwak > Anime > Erotica
19:12:16 <Arnia_> .o steps pelican privet
19:12:18 <phenny> Pelican > October 25 > French Republican Calendar > Privet
19:13:44 <[bjoern]> .o steps nail sex
19:13:46 <phenny> Nail > Sex
19:13:50 <Arnia_> .o steps reddit ribald
19:13:53 <phenny> Reddit > February 27 > Venezuela > Venezuelan presidential election, 1998 > Ribaldry
19:14:30 <[bjoern]> .o steps Google Bankruptcy
19:14:33 <phenny> Google > AOL > Bankruptcy
19:15:06 <Arnia_> .o steps AOL LLKM
19:15:08 <phenny> Unknown article LLKM.
19:15:52 <Arnia_> .o steps AOL LL(k)
19:15:55 <phenny> AOL > August 6 > World Wide Web > Parsing > LL parser
19:16:41 <Arnia_> .o steps AOL Cambodia
19:16:42 <phenny> AOL > December 1 > Cambodia
19:17:33 <Arnia_> I am satisfied with that
19:18:55 <[bjoern]> .o steps APOD Pirate
19:18:57 <phenny> Astronomy Picture of the Day > Copyright > Intellectual property > Piracy
19:20:20 <Arnia_> .o steps parakeet pirate
19:20:22 <phenny> Parakeet > Carolina Parakeet > Ohio River > Piracy
19:20:37 <[bjoern]> .o steps rat bat
19:20:38 <phenny> Rat > Mammal > Bat
19:20:39 <[bjoern]> .o steps bat rat
19:20:40 <phenny> Bat > Rodent > Rat
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19:25:30 <jsled> .u Ŵ
19:25:30 <phenny> U+0174 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W WITH CIRCUMFLEX (Ŵ)
19:26:10 <[bjoern]> It's a combined upward downward arrow.
19:27:33 <jsled> The glyph in whatever font emacs is using for Ŵ (what I mean to query about, fwiw) joins the hat to the straight sides of the W, and the size of the hat and middle part of the W is exactly the same … so it looks like a little bookmark icon.
19:27:50 <jsled> .u ẄŴ
19:27:50 <phenny> U+1E84 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W WITH DIAERESIS (Ẅ)
19:27:51 <Monty> "you"
19:27:51 <phenny> U+0174 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER W WITH CIRCUMFLEX (Ŵ)
19:27:57 <jsled> Ah. Hmnm.
19:28:37 <jsled> And, that's weird … the font xchat is using cuts off the top of the circumflex, but not in what I type, only when it's echoed back to me. :(
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20:16:47 <[bjoern]> Nixon now more popular than Bush.
20:17:18 <sbp> see, he shouldn't have given that press conference
20:17:50 <[bjoern]> This explains why his head will live on in a jar.
20:36:12 <[bjoern]> .gc +Sandmeer
20:36:13 <phenny> +Sandmeer: 4,330
20:36:36 <[bjoern]> .gc "penis in a desert"
20:36:37 <phenny> "penis in a desert": 0
20:37:12 <[bjoern]> .gc "penis as a dessert"
20:37:13 <phenny> "penis as a dessert": 0
20:37:13 <Monty> 'ello
20:41:15 <[bjoern]> Monty, Kang and Kodos request you run as Third Candidate in the next election. What do you say?
20:41:26 <Monty> Say… What's your friend keeps saying it's Pedigree or myself) uses the dbname, it collapsed during the one using it was... and like, eh? are representable by h4ck3rm1k3 on one could it either Livni or two of framing?
20:42:01 <[bjoern]> Monty, next you need to open a bank account for all the bribe money.
20:42:03 <Monty> You're not really talking about me... are you ?
20:42:42 <[bjoern]> Would you like to believe I was not really talking about you, Monty?
20:42:45 <Monty> I reckon sediments + dogshit = crumpled script.
20:43:00 <[bjoern]> The scientific term is Python, Monty.
20:43:08 <Monty> ""to ensure the understandings *I* have separate arrangements with unrealistic, idealized alternatives." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zev_(later_Xev)_Bellringer
20:43:33 *** [bjoern] changed the topic to: "<Monty> To ensure the understandings *I* have separate arrangements with unrealistic, idealized alternatives."
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21:34:23 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's d3llboy!
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22:16:39 <sbp> .u black circle
22:16:40 <phenny> U+25CF BLACK CIRCLE (●)
22:21:10 <sbp> .u place of int
22:21:11 <Monty> "you"
22:21:11 <phenny> U+2318 PLACE OF INTEREST SIGN (⌘)
22:24:16 <Arnia> .u uu
22:24:16 <phenny> U+0B0A ORIYA LETTER UU (ଊ)
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23:08:08 <Monty> welcome, loggy
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