2009-04-03 Swhack IRC Log

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05:50:30 <Monty2> howdy, The_Pot
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08:04:42 <cre8radix> heya
08:08:00 <_ulises> yo cre8radix
08:08:11 <cre8radix> gm
08:08:16 <_ulises> to you!
08:08:24 <cre8radix> wow man... it's teh sun!
08:08:25 <cre8radix> :D
08:08:58 * cre8radix runs outside to get a load of endorphines
08:09:04 <_ulises> where, where?
08:09:22 * _ulises looks around but sees nothing but fluorescent tubes ...
08:09:29 <cre8radix> hehe
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09:35:37 <sbp> yo
09:35:37 <phenny> sbp: 02 Apr 21:51Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1481892,00.jpg
09:35:38 <phenny> sbp: 02 Apr 22:35Z <Morbus> tell sbp I am ranked 143rd with 68827 experience points in Zork
09:36:09 <_ulises> yo
09:36:54 <sbp> phenny: tell [bjoern] Obama and Merkel: caption?
09:36:54 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around.
09:36:59 <sbp> what up, _ulises?
09:37:23 <_ulises> not much, being slaved by the man, you?
09:38:36 <sbp> trying to work out what Obama and Merkel could be laughing at
09:39:05 <_ulises> he probably made a pass at her
09:39:20 <_ulises> and is currently gropping her leg
09:43:31 <sbp> heh, heh
09:45:51 <sbp> .news Broughton Google
09:45:52 <phenny> sbp: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10210215-71.html
09:45:59 <sbp> .title
09:45:59 <phenny> sbp: Angry mob turns back Google Street View car | Technically Incorrect - CNET News
09:46:16 <_ulises> ah, yeah, read that, awesome
09:46:35 <_ulises> especially because they weren't angry chavs but rather angry pensioners ... even more dangerous! :O
09:49:26 <sbp> [[[
09:49:27 <sbp> 'I ran outside to flag the car down and told the driver he was not only invading our privacy but also facilitating crime. This is an affluent area.
09:49:27 <sbp> 'If our houses are plastered all over Goodgle it's an invitation for burglars to strike.'
09:49:27 <sbp> 'I don't mind estate agents taking pictures but this shows people how to get in and how to get out. I was determined to make a stand so I called the police.'
09:49:33 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1166722/Angry-villagers-form-human-chain-stop-Google-Street-View-filming.html
09:49:40 <sbp> called the police?
09:49:44 <sbp> I wonder what the police said...
09:50:34 <ivan> heh, rich people are dumb, thinking the driver can do anything about it
09:50:41 <ivan> they're not even told what they're going to be doing
09:52:43 <sbp> hmm. are there two eggs?
09:53:18 <sbp> ah, yes!
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09:53:46 <sbp> phenny: tell [bjoern] zwei ei, man!
09:53:46 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around.
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10:14:28 <sbp> "What Obama had to be is very different to President Bush, and he did that. First, he could complete a sentence..." - American commentator on BBC News
10:16:51 <_ulises> it would've also been rather accurate to say "First, he is black"
10:19:25 <aspect> but politically incorrect
10:22:55 <_ulises> true
10:23:19 <_ulises> my apologies to those that observe the conventions of political correctness, to all the others *highfive*
10:23:48 <sbp> [[[
10:23:49 <sbp> On Monday, I delivered the Sunday Express petition to the Press Complaints Commission and the Express Group itself (Downing Street will receive their copy next Thursday). Surprisingly, we received the frostiest reception at the PCC - we were refused entry into their building on “security” grounds (presumably because 250-odd sheets of paper could cause someone a very nasty paper cut), and the security guard who we eventually left
10:23:49 <sbp> the petition with was very insistent that we couldn’t film or photograph the building.
10:23:49 <sbp> In the PCC’s defence, I received a letter less than 48 hours later acknowledging receipt of the petition and explaining that it has been passed to the person carrying out their investigation into the Sunday Express article. Nevertheless, I continue to be surprised at the barriers the Press Complaints Commission puts up against people who want to, erm, complain about the press.
10:23:58 <sbp> ]]] - http://whythatsdelightful.wordpress.com/2009/04/02/dunblaneexpress-update/
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14:06:26 <cre8radix> FREAKS!!!
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14:07:05 <cre8radix> :D
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14:42:59 <Monty2> hi chris2
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14:49:39 <[bjoern]> nuk nuk
14:49:39 <phenny> [bjoern]: 09:36Z <sbp> tell [bjoern] Obama and Merkel: caption?
14:49:40 <phenny> [bjoern]: 09:53Z <sbp> tell [bjoern] zwei ei, man!
14:50:15 <[bjoern]> my brain too bit twiddled for captioningixiations.
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14:53:15 <sbp> do you remember how long they're meant to gestate for?
14:53:30 <sbp> because last year we watched for like three months before we realised
14:53:39 <sbp> might be funny if we can beat that record this year
14:54:18 <[bjoern]> .leo gestate
14:54:19 <phenny> to gestate (med.) |&#160;gestated, gestated&#160;| = tragen - im Mutterleib |&#160;trug, getragen&#160;|
14:54:20 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=gestate
14:54:38 <[bjoern]> I was thinking storks and breeding, but this sounds more like Obama and Merkel...
14:54:45 <sbp> heh, heh
14:55:03 <[bjoern]> eggs should hatch withint 4-6 weeks I thought
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14:56:52 * clsn has been reading the Spec docs for perl6.
14:57:28 <clsn> Interesting enough... A fair amount of eyes-glaze-over factor partly because of talking about complicated things in the beginning that are explained later.
14:58:14 <sbp> yeah, that's annoying
14:58:18 <clsn> An awful lot of stuff to remember, or it feels that way compared to other langs. But power is what's gained. Annoying though that a lot of what's promised isn't yet delivered.
14:58:28 <sbp> the basics are pretty easy
14:59:41 <clsn> Basics are basics. But keeping track of just how twigils work and which of a hundred syntax variations does what... Some of it looks more complicated than it is.
15:00:15 <clsn> You can more easily remember it as "parenthesize defensively or it's an error" It isn't really an error, but you probably will misremember what it's going to do.
15:00:36 <[bjoern]> to remove the utf8 lead bytes algorithmically without additional data I'm now at this
15:00:40 <[bjoern]>  mask = ~(byte & ~0xf);
15:00:40 <[bjoern]>  mask |= (mask >> 1);
15:00:40 <[bjoern]>  mask |= (mask >> 2);
15:00:40 <[bjoern]>  byte &= mask;
15:01:00 <clsn> Keeping straight where whitespace is allowed sounds like a potential pain. But maybe it just looks hard in the docs.
15:01:06 <clsn> (and where required)
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15:10:17 <[bjoern]> that's a bit slower in msvc and a lot slower in mingw-gcc
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15:16:26 <[bjoern]> gcc slowness is helped by moving instructions around a bit...
15:16:49 <Arnia> !
15:16:52 <Arnia> .title http://portal.acm.org.ezphost.dur.ac.uk/citation.cfm?id=1141781&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE&CFID=29553474&CFTOKEN=35452442
15:16:55 <phenny> Can't connect to http://portal.acm.org.ezphost.dur.ac.uk/citation.cfm?id=1141781&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE&CFID=29553474&CFTOKEN=35452442
15:16:59 <Arnia> Uh...
15:17:09 <Arnia> .title http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1141781&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE&CFID=29553474&CFTOKEN=35452442
15:17:14 <phenny> Arnia: Exploring erotics in Emily Dickinson's correspondence with text mining and visual interfaces
15:18:19 <_ulises> cool
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15:41:41 <Monty2> But what does JibberJim have to do with the price of fish?
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16:01:14 <[bjoern]> think i found a way to rearrange char class identifiers so that
16:01:53 <[bjoern]> byte <<= (char class) & 7; byte >>= (char class) & 7; would rid the top bits too
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16:38:26 <[bjoern]> allright this is about as fast as all versions...
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16:39:43 <[bjoern]> main loop has about 13 instructions
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16:42:41 <[bjoern]>   type = (utf8d[byte]);
16:42:41 <[bjoern]>   stat = (utf8d[256 + (stat << 4) + type]);
16:42:41 <[bjoern]>   unic = (unic << 6) | ((uint8_t)(byte << (type & 7)) >> (type & 7));
16:44:03 <[bjoern]> ~170MB/s
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16:50:37 <cre8radix> sbp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwN9wxOUCy0
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16:57:48 <[bjoern]> got it up to 200MB/s
16:58:05 <[bjoern]> by making byte a 32 bit int...
16:59:35 <[bjoern]> that's only slightly slower now than my fastest version (which used 5 times as much memory)
16:59:50 <[bjoern]> this version, code + data, uses about 500 bytes.
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17:06:30 <Monty2> welcome, eel
17:08:56 <[bjoern]> http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1481988,00.jpg
17:08:57 <Morbus> i got a generla question.
17:09:00 <Morbus> say, picasso.
17:09:05 <Morbus> or any of those types of artists.
17:09:09 <Morbus> all that artwork is PD now, right?
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17:09:26 <Morbus> it's not like some crazy Disney thing where they're sic their lawyers on me if i use mickey mouse in a few years?
17:11:39 <Morbus> anyone wanna work on a drupal game with me?
17:11:47 <Morbus> i just wanna code with someone.
17:13:26 <bancus> As far as US copyright goes, if it was created before 1930, it's definitely PD.
17:13:38 <Morbus> right, but picasso isn't us.
17:13:43 <bancus> After that, shit gets weird.
17:13:44 <Morbus> but, it's ancient. ;)
17:13:50 <bancus> Author's location doesn't matter.
17:13:58 <bancus> Your jurisdiction is what matters.
17:14:19 <bancus> The US had a huge pirated book industry in its early years, back when authors had to register copyrights in each jurisdiction.
17:14:31 <bancus> Cheap, cheap books copied from Europe.
17:14:43 <bancus> But they weren't under copyright here.
17:14:58 <Morbus> ideally, i'm working on a thing where collecting artwork is part of it.
17:15:08 <Morbus> and i'd like to say, "you collected all of picasso" or what have you.
17:15:12 <Morbus> and show pictures, etc.
17:15:22 <bancus> Should be fine, but IANAL.
17:15:34 <bancus> (iAnal, the new vibrator from Apple!)
17:15:36 <Morbus> http://www.artchive.com/ftp_site.htm
17:15:38 <Morbus> mmM
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17:23:43 <sbp> oh man, BBC News live in Broughton
17:23:48 <sbp> cameraing everything
17:23:58 <sbp> total Streisand Effect
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17:25:06 <Morbus> heh http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2009/03/22/oh-the-rancher-and-the-mcmansioner-should-be-friends/
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17:29:11 <Morbus> also good: http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2009/04/01/on-jamming/
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17:31:25 <Morbus> hehee: http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009/03/fleishman-hillard-unparalleled-dental.html
17:32:24 <sbp> wonder what attention they were getting?
17:32:31 <sbp> bricks thrown at them with SKINNY COW written on them?
17:33:01 <sbp> oh, called the Sheriff
17:33:24 <jsled> Morbus: nice; I was going back to find the "on jamming" one, which is my favorite of late because of the total hipocracy.
17:33:29 <sbp> I still don't get the deal with Sheriffs
17:33:37 <Morbus> jsled: heh, heh
17:33:41 <sbp> you have police on the one hand...
17:33:45 <sbp> ...and sheriffs on the other
17:33:50 <sbp> do they ever have like mini bustups?
17:33:57 <sbp> <police> nu
17:33:59 <sbp> <sheriff> nu
17:34:00 <sbp> <police> nu
17:34:01 <sbp> <sheriff> nu
17:34:01 <sbp> <police> nu
17:34:35 <clsn> http://shaindy.com/ Not really sure what to say.
17:35:18 <Morbus> jews are not allowed to have fun.
17:35:21 <Morbus> they killed mah savior.
17:35:25 <Morbus> now feed yer birthing cow.
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17:36:41 <sbp> “Jew” is a typo
17:36:54 <sbp> problem with transcription
17:36:57 <sbp> see, the CEO was saying:
17:37:03 <sbp> "And you can have fun too!"
17:37:15 <sbp> and the secretary—she's a little hard of hearing—well, she messes it all up...
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17:53:06 <clsn> What's vi-speak for "transpose words" (M-w in emacs)?
17:55:11 <procto> clsn: xp iirc
17:55:14 <procto> lemme try
17:55:22 <clsn> tnx
17:55:52 <procto> wait no, that's wrong
17:55:56 <procto> doh
17:55:59 <procto> of course it's wrong
17:56:11 <procto> no easy way to do it...
17:56:47 <sbp> clsn: dwwP at start of word
17:56:49 <clsn> Been told to use dwp (delete word, put). But I realize it isn't THAT simple... Well , whatever.
17:56:58 <clsn> Thanks.
17:56:59 <procto> that would probabl put it right after
17:57:33 <procto> if it's at the end of a line
17:58:25 <procto> clsn: if you use it a lot, ma it
17:58:44 <clsn> Nah, I don't even use vi all that much. just happens to be where I am.
17:58:55 <procto> this room is a furnace
17:59:00 <procto> what the hell
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18:06:04 <bancus> Why are you computing from a furnace?
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18:08:20 <procto> bancus: I am in class
18:08:28 <procto> this classroom is overheated
18:08:31 <bancus> Why are you having class in a furnace?
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18:39:40 <Tene_> procto: my classroom is 72.5 F
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18:44:27 <Tene> The classroom was way too hot yesterday due to AC fail, so we ran a temperature sensor from the server closet into the ceiling.
18:44:43 <Tene> And set the alerts for that sensor to be delivered to the building manager.
18:45:03 <Tene> And now our persistent AC problems are gone. :)
18:45:27 <procto> interesting
18:46:02 <Tene> 22.5 C
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18:58:38 <clsn> CNC machine as musical instrument: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKCX1CeXIjA
19:03:59 <sbp> “At the end of the visit, Mrs. Obama doled out hugs to the students, and was swarmed by them — to the extent that some Secret Service agents stepped nervously forward.” — http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iU2_BrNBSIf8q7Dpe7TZaCq11qeAD97AFO700
19:14:52 * jessica shakes head. "If my kid's first words were, 'Hello, world!' that would rock."
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19:16:50 <clsn> Hello world, hear the song that we're singin'; come on get happy...
19:17:08 <clsn> .wik The Partridge Family
19:17:09 <phenny> "The Partridge Family is an American television sitcom about a widowed mother and her five children who embarked on a music career." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Partridge_Family
19:17:12 <sbp> A Jew Can be Happy!
19:17:38 <clsn> (that's the start of the themesong of The Partridge Family)
19:18:24 <sbp> clsn: did you find out if that was a joke site or not, by the way?
19:18:35 <sbp> or if it had been haxed or someschniz
19:19:38 <sbp> .gc +ȝurt
19:19:39 <phenny> +ȝurt: 0
19:20:19 <bancus> That description makes it sound like it actually happened.
19:20:41 <sbp> .gs Fred the *
19:20:43 <phenny> Fred the *: shred (38), shred's (9), clown (7), godson (6), tread (4), mermaid (3)
19:20:50 <sbp> Fred the Mermaid?
19:21:13 <bancus> .gc right said fred
19:21:14 <phenny> right said fred: 7,750,000
19:21:18 <bancus> .gc drop dead fred
19:21:19 <phenny> drop dead fred: 258,000
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19:37:01 <Monty2> Thank goodness, mzeltner is back!
19:37:18 <mzeltner> Aww, how sweet of you Monty2
19:37:18 <Monty2> weird, my fanwall
19:37:27 <mzeltner> :'(
19:38:07 <Arnia> People do the damnedest things: http://yieldprolog.sourceforge.net/tutorial1.html
19:38:11 <mzeltner> I dunno how many swhackers are based in London these days, but I find there's something nice cooking up at the moment: http://london.hackspace.org.uk/
19:38:19 * mzeltner <3 physical space
19:38:25 <mzeltner> Hey Arnia :)
19:38:35 <Arnia> hello
19:44:48 <sbp> yo mzeltner
19:46:27 <mzeltner> 'ello
19:46:28 <clsn> sbp: http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c41_a15362/News/Short_Takes.html It seems to be for real.
19:47:21 <clsn> or http://www.nypost.com/seven/03292009/news/regionalnews/un_orthodox_web_site_for_jewish_adultere_161868.htm
19:47:55 <sbp> ‘Rabbi Shmuley Boteach is author of the 2002 book “Kosher Adultery,” which, despite its title, is about spicing up sex within marriage, not outside marriage’
19:48:19 <clsn> I think, *think* that he was the one who spoke at my synagogue a few weeks ago.
19:48:47 <clsn> The name is familiar, and he did speak on topics of marriage and sex.
19:48:48 <sbp> did you ask him whether his publisher chose his title?
19:48:57 <clsn> Heh, no...
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19:51:05 <clsn> Will check backissues of synagogue announcements.
19:53:12 <clsn> I just seem to remember seeing his name on an annoucnement somewhere... maybe he's still yet to visit...
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20:02:18 <sbp> 21:01 <sbp> Monty's full of spunk tonight
20:02:18 <sbp> 21:01 <Monty2> wobble?
20:02:19 <Monty2> 2) having class
20:02:21 <Monty2> “At the encyclopædias are most of joining the docid instead of course.
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20:12:11 <nslater> Monty. Yes. No.
20:12:13 <Monty2> Remember that printer stalks black squares.
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20:15:50 <clsn> OK, he definitely wasn't the guy I saw. But maybe he's coming in the future.
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20:32:14 <[bjoern]> BACK
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20:35:26 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/04/recent_scenes_from_afghanistan.html#photo8
20:35:26 <Monty2> interesting. apparently she argued that involved
20:35:27 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
20:36:47 <sbp> awesome explanation
20:38:18 * sbp checks out http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/04/protests_at_the_g20_summit.html
20:41:20 <sbp> favourite so far:
20:41:21 <sbp> http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/g20_04_03/g14_18509345.jpg
20:41:55 <[bjoern]> you saw http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1481988,00.jpg ?
20:42:22 <sbp> hahaha. nope
20:42:39 <[bjoern]> else I would have offered http://asset.soup.io/asset/0277/3443_8f00_480.jpeg
20:44:26 <sbp> that one I have seen
20:44:37 <sbp> the best part is the caption of that one in the Telegraph (I think)
20:44:45 <sbp> which said "a man in a Guy Fawkes mask poses..."
20:44:57 <_ulises> I like this one: http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/g20_04_03/g36_18517895.jpg
20:46:09 <[bjoern]> I'm selling these fine leather stiefel.
20:46:32 <[bjoern]> They wear Müllmann-wear.
20:49:26 <jsled> YOU KNOW THERE"S PERMALINKS IN THE PAGE FOR A DAMN REASON FACEPPL
20:49:50 <[bjoern]> there are?
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20:54:54 <[bjoern]> .g mit license
20:54:55 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php
20:57:32 <jsled> [bjoern]: yes, you used one, in fact.
20:57:48 <[bjoern]> Well I was wondering whether you checked all articles
20:57:51 <jsled> s/permalinks/fragment identifiers/. whatever.
20:58:02 <[bjoern]> then I'd ask you for article url, for I don't know it for some of mine...
21:02:33 <[bjoern]> .c 1GB over 5000ms
21:02:34 <phenny> (1 gigabyte) over (5000 milliseconds) = 204.8 MBps
21:04:54 <sbp> offs. 'nacht!
21:05:02 <[bjoern]> night
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22:37:24 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell cre8radix http://creativity-online.com/work/view?seed=5284d9f5
22:37:25 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when cre8radix is around.
22:37:34 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell cre8radix DANGEROUS, I warned you.
22:37:34 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when cre8radix is around.
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23:09:13 <[bjoern]> .c 0x00401039 - 0x00401000 in decimal
23:09:13 <phenny> 0x00401039 - 0x00401000 = 57
23:12:42 <[bjoern]> .c 0x401413 - 0x4013c8 in decimal
23:12:43 <phenny> 0x401413 - 0x4013c8 = 75
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23:37:47 <[bjoern]> remind me in 15 minutes to !!
23:37:47 <Monty2> [bjoern]: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sat Apr 04 00:52:32 BST 2009
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23:52:56 <Monty2> [bjoern]: You asked me to remind you to !!
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