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01:33:55 <Arnia> He's an excellent public speaker too
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08:04:25 <sbp> yo
08:05:04 <sbp> people are odd
08:05:08 <sbp> some guy messaged me overnight
08:05:16 <sbp> because it says on my website that I prefer to use irc
08:05:23 <sbp> and then complains that I'm not around
08:05:33 * [bjoern] announced his decoder on the unicode list
08:05:46 <sbp> it's like, can't be around 24/7 exactly...
08:06:01 <_ulises> yo sbp
08:06:12 * sbp did put that he's British; can work out timezones kthx?
08:06:17 <sbp> yo [bjoern], yo _ulises
08:06:18 <_ulises> what? how come? I thought you offered a 24x7 5 nines service?
08:06:31 <sbp> _ulises: someone came into Swhack once asking for my phone number at 1:30am
08:06:37 <sbp> because he wanted to get a phenny bug fixed
08:06:42 <_ulises> har har
08:06:51 <_ulises> lrn2freesoftbitach
08:06:53 <sbp> nslater dealt with him, and gave him a number for some embassy (Turkish? American?)
08:06:55 <_ulises> *biatch
08:07:15 * [bjoern] -> bottom of http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2009-m04/index.html
08:08:27 <sbp> did you ann comp.compilers yet?
08:08:40 <[bjoern]> my usenet b0rked
08:08:57 <sbp> --
08:08:58 <sbp> I'm in the process of teaching Unibook to make use of the Unihan
08:08:58 <sbp> Database for a number of nice pieces of functionality.
08:08:59 <sbp> --
08:09:06 <sbp> a number of nine pieces of functionality? heh
08:09:35 <[bjoern]> you can reduce the function to *c=*s?(b&63)|(*c<<6):(255>>u[b])&b;return*s=u[256+*s*16+u[b]]; and twitter it more than twice!
08:10:41 <sbp> “and the tiny buffer my name”
08:10:43 <sbp> chuckle
08:11:17 <[bjoern]> 2^4 bytes in utf8!
08:12:01 <sbp> Subject: i love you and one day soon
08:12:03 <sbp> Body: PVC(Vinyl); Stockings, Pantyhose, Tights:all colours and fashion
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08:12:25 <[bjoern]> pix?
08:12:32 <[bjoern]> .img Stockings, Pantyhose, Tights:all colours and fashion
08:12:32 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.sockshop.co.uk/cms_media/images/article-18652690-7014598.jpg
08:13:31 <[bjoern]> if you ask me, and you would not, not bad.
08:13:40 <[bjoern]> though the hat is ... misplaced.
08:17:29 <[bjoern]> google needs a "find related porn" link
08:18:24 <sbp> well google image search does have that select-by-colour thing now
08:18:30 <sbp> which I think is actually kinda stupid
08:18:35 <[bjoern]> select by colour?
08:18:38 * jeanniecool licks SeanB very carefully
08:18:39 <sbp> but I dunno, select a lot of red and pink. might work
08:18:42 <sbp> yeah! haven't you seen it?
08:18:44 <sbp> yo jeanniecool!
08:18:55 <jeanniecool> :-)
08:19:03 <[bjoern]> I can see it
08:19:41 <[bjoern]> wet panties + blue results in http://cdnll-0.liveleak.com/u/thumbs/2008/Sep/1/328159_421_avatar.jpg
08:19:48 <[bjoern]> the blue part is working well
08:23:08 <sbp> chuckle
08:23:13 <sbp> and the wet part
08:23:27 <[bjoern]> true
08:24:35 <sbp> eggs visible on mega
08:25:02 <sbp> what's the white stuff on the roof to the left?
08:25:06 <sbp> birds? snow? cotton wool?
08:25:23 <[bjoern]> red dry panties?
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08:26:52 <[bjoern]> .gc major humbledick
08:26:53 <phenny> major humbledick: 17
08:27:27 <sbp> .gc humble majordick
08:27:28 <phenny> humble majordick: 298
08:29:17 <sbp> [bjoern]: http://www.pylatinam.com/interactive/index.py
08:29:24 <[bjoern]> .gc dickle humblemajor
08:29:24 <phenny> dickle humblemajor: 0
08:29:38 <[bjoern]> I HAVE CLIECKLED
08:29:43 <[bjoern]> LOADINGZ NOWSERS
08:29:55 <[bjoern]> IT'S PPH
08:30:02 <[bjoern]> i meant to write püh
08:30:09 <sbp> PPH IS BEETTEERR
08:30:19 <sbp> .leo püh
08:30:20 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=p%C3%BCh
08:30:23 <sbp> aw
08:30:43 <[bjoern]> püh is german for ... ... ... well a certain expression of (fe)male diapproval, you could say.
08:30:55 <[bjoern]> It involves nasenrümpfen, generally
08:31:04 <sbp> you're always making up words that aren't in leo
08:31:15 <[bjoern]> lautmalerei
08:31:16 <sbp> I'm starting to get wise to it. I reckon you have a dewortgenerator
08:31:19 <sbp> heh
08:31:25 <sbp> .leo nasenrümpfen
08:31:27 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=nasenr%C3%BCmpfen
08:31:30 <sbp> see!
08:31:40 <[bjoern]> .leo Naserümpfen
08:31:42 <phenny> das Naserümpfen = sniff
08:31:42 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Naser%C3%BCmpfen
08:32:32 <sbp> Snienton?
08:32:45 <[bjoern]> fuck teh waht?
08:33:12 <sbp> it's a place in the UK apparently
08:33:16 <sbp> they just mentioned it on the news
08:33:20 <sbp> thought it's an awesome name
08:33:25 <[bjoern]> .map Snienton
08:33:26 <phenny> [bjoern]: the .map command has been removed; ask sbp for details
08:33:28 <sbp> also, a headline: "Minister to cross Britain by rail"
08:33:48 <[bjoern]> omg, minister to cross britain by rail!
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08:37:41 <sbp> yeah, scary
08:38:44 <sbp> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7996255.stm for the story
08:39:19 <[bjoern]> .wik List of people who'd be so much happier if they could eat other people
08:39:22 <phenny> "Does anyone know any source for finding specific data on actors, directors, etc. for television commercials?--Fuhghettaboutit 00:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk_archive/Miscellaneous/2006_October_13
08:39:25 <sbp> .wik Optimum Population Trust
08:39:26 <phenny> "The Optimum Population Trust is a registered United Kingdom charity, think tank and campaign group concerned with the impact of population growth on the natural environment, specifically natural resources, climate change and biodiversity." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_Population_Trust
08:39:55 <sbp> [bjoern]: coincidentally, your aims seem compatible with them
08:39:57 <[bjoern]> it takes six days to rail across britain?
08:40:10 <sbp> well he's going in a meandering route
08:40:41 <sbp> it probably takes two days to get from Plymouth to Aberdeen
08:40:45 <sbp> I should check!
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08:41:56 <sbp> oh, no, you can do it in a day
08:42:07 <sbp> leave Plymouth at 08:25
08:42:19 <sbp> get to Aberdeen at 19:00
08:42:22 <sbp> not too bad actually
08:42:49 <sbp> and you only have to change twice. crazy
08:42:59 <sbp> there's one route where you only have to change once
08:43:32 <sbp> single change is in Aberdeen
08:43:37 <sbp> er, in Edinburgh
08:43:37 <sbp> heh
08:43:46 <[bjoern]> I would expect you only have to change once to cross germany north south aswell
08:43:53 <sbp> Birmingham New Street and Haymarket for the two changes
08:44:06 <sbp> yeah but the UK is weird
08:44:20 <[bjoern]> go from, say, Flensburg -> Hamburg -> Zürich or something
08:44:22 <sbp> it seems small but then you try to get somewhere and find it takes much longer than you thought
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08:46:47 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7996302.stm
08:46:48 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Politics | Tories up smear e-mail pressure
08:46:56 <sbp> PMQs is going to be good this week if he hasn't apologised by then
08:47:01 <sbp> and possibly even if he has
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08:47:17 <[bjoern]> He will be wearing easter bunny ears.
08:47:43 <sbp> hehe
08:47:55 <[bjoern]> It's not funny.
08:48:11 <sbp> oh. sorry
08:48:19 <sbp> <咒> ㋡
08:49:06 <sbp> [[[
08:49:07 <sbp> Tony Blair's former economic adviser Derek Scott told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that although he did not think Mr Brown was directly responsible, the smear tactics represented a culture that came from the top.
08:49:07 <sbp> He said: "I think the tone, whether in a business or a political party, is set from above."
08:49:07 <sbp> "The really damaging thing is they think they are being ultra loyal to Mr Brown and the Labour Party, but in fact they are doing the Labour Party an awful lot of damage.
08:49:07 <sbp> "The stables do need to be cleaned out and it goes beyond the two particular oiks we are obsessed with at the moment," he added.
08:49:12 <sbp> ]]]
08:49:16 <sbp> .ety oik
08:49:17 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "oik". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=oik
08:49:39 <sbp> OED: [Etym. obscure.]
08:49:42 <[bjoern]> .gc 咒
08:49:42 <phenny> 咒: 1,240,000
08:49:50 <[bjoern]> .ety 咒
08:49:51 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "None". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=None
08:50:06 <[bjoern]> Perhaps you can't find the etymology for "none".
08:50:09 <sbp> looks like a public schoolboy term
08:50:19 <[bjoern]> if that turns you on...
08:50:45 <[bjoern]> .leo Pistazie
08:50:46 <phenny> die Pistazie = pistachio
08:50:47 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Pistazie
08:50:50 <sbp> “Oik, hoik: very widely used and of some age; at Cheltenham (1897) it meant simply a working man, but at Christ's Hospital (1885) it implied someone who spoke Cockney, and at Bootham (1925) someone who spoke with a Yorkshire accent.”
08:51:01 <sbp> (1940 M. Marples Public School Slang p.31)
08:51:20 <[bjoern]> public school slang?
08:51:35 <[bjoern]> HANG ON INCOMING WORMHOLE
08:52:22 <sbp> [[[
08:52:23 <sbp> Cabinet Office Minister Tom Watson was also alleged to have been copied in on the e-mails.
08:52:23 <sbp> However, Mr Watson said he had known nothing of the "completely inappropriate" messages and had no involvement in discussions to create the Red Rag site.
08:52:24 <sbp> ]]]
08:53:15 <[bjoern]> .wik Red Rag
08:53:17 <phenny> "The Rags and Leathers Program of the YMCA is a series of challenges for individuals wishing for growth personally and spiritually." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rags_and_Leathers_Program
08:53:50 <[bjoern]> What's with you being up all early anyway, you did not lay explosives for the bunny hordes?
08:54:14 <sbp> the bunny hordes are already kinda dispersed
08:55:06 <[bjoern]> So you found the Bunny Disperser 3000 in the mail.
08:55:06 <sbp> I'm not up all that early
08:55:13 <sbp> I just didn't go for a walk
08:55:19 <sbp> because I'm going to do that in five mins
08:55:28 <sbp> is that releated to the Desploder?
08:55:36 <sbp> .gs * desploder
08:55:37 <phenny> * desploder: squirrel (18)
08:55:38 <[bjoern]> Would I tell you if not?
08:56:10 <sbp> no. wait, yes. no, wait, you might not, but only if by saying yes a no would be more incontrovertible than if you had meant to say yes but really said no. hmm. or maybe not
08:56:45 <_ulises> sbp: explain the phrase "Neighbours at odds" pls?
08:57:05 <sbp> _ulises: sometimes a mummy neighbour and a daddy neighbour hate each other very much
08:57:06 <[bjoern]> In any case, I would have taken less time to make that decision,
08:57:15 <_ulises> oh!
08:57:26 <sbp> _ulises: heh, nah. it means when people living next door to one another fall out
08:57:30 <sbp> normally because of noise
08:57:38 <sbp> but sometimes because they're always parking in your space
08:57:45 <sbp> or lobbing nappies over your garden fence
08:57:47 <sbp> or whatever
08:57:52 <_ulises> ja!
08:57:58 <[bjoern]> hmmm lobbing nappies
08:58:04 <[bjoern]> That's something naughty, right?
08:58:13 <[bjoern]> Just say it's something naughty
08:58:14 <sbp> yeah, and an age old tradition in some parts
08:58:26 <_ulises> well, it has to be
08:58:29 <sbp> .gs * disperser
08:58:30 <phenny> * disperser: waschverfahren partikulär- (5), speed (5), pigment (5), aether (5)
08:58:39 <sbp> .leo waschverfahren
08:58:40 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=waschverfahren
08:58:49 <sbp> gah, all German words are made up
08:58:57 <sbp> right, I'm going out
08:59:07 <cre8radix2> hehehe
08:59:09 <sbp> fix German whilst I'm out
08:59:35 <[bjoern]> method of washing
08:59:41 <cre8radix2> .leo wahrnehmungsvertrag
08:59:42 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=wahrnehmungsvertrag
08:59:48 <cre8radix2> sbp: http://www.xkcdb.com/?972
08:59:52 <cre8radix2> funny
09:00:07 <[bjoern]> perhaps you are .. no wait that can't be right
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09:35:28 <cre8radix> http://www.pledgebank.com/GEMAHACKEN
09:35:32 <cre8radix> .title
09:35:39 <phenny> cre8radix: 'I will try to make the GEMA change their contracts regarding creative commons licenses' - PledgeBank
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09:48:11 <[bjoern]> .img penis in strumpfhosen
09:48:12 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://images7.sextronix.com/images/450/7c/0000247c_001.jpg
09:48:31 <[bjoern]> .img vagina in strumpfhosen
09:48:32 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://full-penetration.hot-lesbiens.com/nylons/lesbian-penetration.jpg
10:08:32 <[bjoern]> Monty: roses are wet, backyard piano players are bewitched, the moon xor saturn is not ...?
10:08:46 <[bjoern]> No Monty :(
10:08:49 <sbp> albedoful
10:08:55 <[bjoern]> wong
10:09:18 <[bjoern]> I shall disappear shortly
10:09:26 <sbp> that makes two of us!
10:09:31 <sbp> I really just popped in to say albedoful
10:09:34 <_ulises> oh no!
10:09:35 <sbp> and eat sushi
10:09:50 <[bjoern]> no, don't, think of the fish prices.
10:10:12 <_ulises> what about me?
10:11:06 <sbp> you can have sushi if you like!
10:11:17 <sbp> also, this sushi is discounted
10:11:43 <sbp> so by eating the store of discounted sushi I'm the one driving fish prices up
10:11:48 <sbp> just wait till Monty comes back...
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13:33:15 <Arnia> — http://innig.net/macker/faq.html
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15:23:16 <sbp> yeah motherfutons!
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15:44:11 <sbp> .wik Petrus Plancius
15:44:12 <phenny> "Petrus Plancius (1552–May 15, 1622), was a Dutch astronomer, cartographer and clergyman." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrus_Plancius
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16:25:12 <bancus> .ety rascal
16:25:13 <phenny> "c.1330, rascaile 'people of the lowest class, rabble of an army,' from O.Fr. rascaille 'outcast, rabble' (12c.), perhaps from rasque 'mud, filth, scab, dregs,' from V.L. *rasicare 'to scrape' (see rash (n.))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=rascal
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18:00:13 <[bjoern]> "functions are absolutely essential to functional programming"
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18:02:04 <[bjoern]> Okay I wrote my first Haskell function
18:02:11 <sbp> what does it do?
18:02:11 <[bjoern]> well not strictly the first, but first in some time
18:02:18 <[bjoern]> negates a boolean!
18:02:24 <sbp> not way!
18:03:28 <[bjoern]> I think ! is array subscript operator
18:03:34 * xover negotiates Geaorge Boole's release…
18:07:05 <sbp> nsh: did you know that the hole's only natural enemy is the pile?
18:07:51 <[bjoern]> Is this an euphemistic discussion about Britney?
18:08:30 <sbp> we speak only of glamour. and entertainment
18:08:58 <[bjoern]> entertainment is an euphemism for pain.
18:09:33 <sbp> and pain is a euphamism for bread!
18:09:43 <sbp> hahahaha. am I right? am I right?
18:10:01 <[bjoern]> Trying to read the answer in the Gulaschsuppe now.
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18:10:18 <[bjoern]> I shall inform you with great delay of any progress.
18:10:19 <sbp> I also am eating
18:11:20 <[bjoern]> If I had a fingerlonger I could use it to grab my armlonger which I could then use to fetch me drink.
18:12:10 <sbp> if drinks were magnetic you could use an electromagnet
18:13:06 <[bjoern]> Apparently I need something hygroscopic
18:13:19 <sbp> Swhack challenge: create a non-toxic room temperature superfluid
18:14:03 <[bjoern]> in separate first quenching and mind altering forms.
18:14:19 <sbp> ooh, yeah
18:18:13 <[bjoern]> so now I am to construct a 2d array from pre-defined values using list comprehension
18:18:18 <[bjoern]> not even sure what that means
18:19:49 <[bjoern]> oh perhaps it makes sense because values and index numbers correlate
18:20:41 <sbp> list comprehensions are überwinfulsome
18:20:54 <sbp> 2d arrays, not so much
18:21:51 <[bjoern]> news of my decoder has reached the gtk and python devel lists
18:22:19 <[bjoern]> no reactions there yet though, did not get any from elsewhere either
18:22:36 <[bjoern]> beyond those youve seen already anyway
18:25:02 <sbp> python won't say anything about it
18:25:15 <sbp> they'll just be all "oh. we don't need to be any faster. PYTHON IS NOT ABOUT SPEED"
18:26:13 <[bjoern]> there was a recent patchbug to make theirs faster
18:26:58 <[bjoern]> http://bugs.python.org/issue4868
18:27:29 <sbp> .title
18:27:31 <phenny> sbp: Issue 4868: Faster utf-8 decoding - Python tracker
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18:28:14 <sbp> ooh, he's counterbreaking the register dependencies
18:29:42 <nsh> WHUTPLS
18:30:17 <sbp> Amazon have changed their ratings system
18:30:22 <sbp> they no longer rate "adult" books
18:30:31 <sbp> but that includes anything gay or lesbian
18:30:38 <sbp> so for example, Stephen Fry's biography
18:30:54 <sbp> in the UK it's listed as biography, so it appears ranked and easily accessible in the results
18:30:59 <sbp> in the US it's listed as biography, gay
18:31:12 <sbp> so it's unranked and apparently harder to find as a result
18:31:12 <nsh> yeah
18:31:24 <nsh> this will be a regretted decision
18:31:28 <sbp> C4 news is saying that there's been uproar on Twitter (oh no!)
18:31:35 <sbp> yeah
18:32:22 <[bjoern]> "UTF-8 encodings of surrogates are considered legal UTF-8 sequences;" - python sources
18:33:03 <nsh> anyway
18:33:13 <nsh> what was this nonsense about counterbreaking and registers?
18:33:25 <sbp> [bjoern] wrote a very fast utf-8 decoder
18:33:39 <sbp> and notice about it is slowly being disseminated through the tubes
18:33:54 <sbp> the counterbreaking was a previous recent attempt at speeding up python's utf-8 decoder
18:34:00 <sbp> (apparently not a very good attempt)
18:34:53 <nsh> IS MEANS WHUTPLS
18:35:28 <sbp> counterbreaking? dunno, some assembly programming thing
18:35:58 <nsh> ok
18:36:00 <nsh> so
18:36:35 <[bjoern]> The space in "loop counter breaks the register dependencies" is there for a reason I would imagine
18:36:53 <sbp> yeah but that's less funny
18:37:07 <[bjoern]> True, but I don't wish for nsh's mind to esplode
18:37:18 <[bjoern]> Monty is still cleaning up the mess from last time
18:37:23 <sbp> nsh's mind is like the pitch drop experiment
18:37:30 <sbp> it's permanently esploding
18:37:32 <sbp> but very, very slowly
18:37:50 <nsh> indeed
18:38:00 <nsh> .wik pessimization
18:38:02 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "pessimization".
18:38:07 <nsh> .w pessimize
18:38:08 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for pessimize.
18:38:12 <nsh> .dict pessimize
18:38:12 <phenny> nsh: Sorry, no definition found.
18:38:15 <nsh> .oedt pessimize
18:38:20 <nsh> .oed pessimize
18:38:20 <phenny> pessimize (ety. f. L. pessim-us worst + -ize,...) * trans. To make the worst of; to take the most unfavourable view of.
18:38:29 <sbp> heh, heh
18:38:44 <nsh> "I'm skeptical about changes that merely rely on the compiler's register
18:38:44 <nsh> allocator to do a better job. This kind of change tends to pessimize the
18:38:44 <nsh> code for other compilers, and also may pessimize it for future versions
18:38:44 <nsh> of the same compiler.
18:38:46 <nsh> "
18:38:48 <nsh> STUPID ENGLISH
18:39:16 <nsh> correct is: dis/un/de-optimise
18:39:26 <sbp> misoptimise
18:39:32 <nsh> also would have been good
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18:39:52 <sbp> oh! even better: maloptimise
18:40:04 <nsh> ooo
18:40:06 <nsh> this wins
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18:40:31 <nsh> .gcs +maloptimise +maloptimize +maloptimised +maloptimized
18:40:34 <phenny> +maloptimized (0), +maloptimize (0), +maloptimised (0), +maloptimise (0)
18:40:57 <sbp> I claim this wordditory for Swhack!
18:41:15 * nsh still doesn't understand why it's important to have a fast utf-8 decoder
18:41:22 * sbp plants a vexilonym
18:41:27 <nsh> except to piss me off by constantly talking about unicode
18:41:34 <sbp> because decoding utf-8 is something you have to do a lot
18:41:45 <sbp> e.g. when you read a utf-8 file
18:41:51 <sbp> so speeding it up is good
18:42:09 <sbp> also the way that he did it was ice cool
18:42:22 <jsled> .g mr cool as ice
18:42:23 <phenny> jsled: http://brokeymcpoverty.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/internet-douchebags-revealed-mr-cool-ice/
18:42:31 <[bjoern]> the point of mine is really just being short and easy to use, that it's fast is a coincidence...
18:42:41 <nsh> ok
18:43:09 <sbp> doubt it's a coincidence
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18:43:24 <sbp> the short and clear seems to be what results in the speed...
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18:44:54 <nsh> is can see code?
18:45:15 <[bjoern]> that's actually quite architecture and data dependant! having complicated code with lots of conditionals can be very fast if the branches are predicted well
18:45:25 <[bjoern]> http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de/utf-8/decoder/dfa/
18:46:40 <nsh> ETOOMUCHMAGIC
18:46:49 <sbp> what about if you average across architectures?
18:47:13 <[bjoern]> i've averaged over all at my disposal.
18:47:30 <sbp> and you pwn the nuts off of all the othercomers
18:47:58 <[bjoern]> with the right compiler at least, yeah
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18:48:16 <[bjoern]> although the non-validating icu macro is slightly faster
18:48:41 <MoiraA> hiya [bjoern] and sbp
18:48:50 <sbp> yo
18:53:17 <nsh> wait
18:53:22 <nsh> what does the decoder output?
18:53:43 <sbp> confetti and chinchilla entrails
18:53:46 <nsh> it takes bytes of UTF-8 and decodes them into what?
18:53:59 <[bjoern]> you feed it bytes, and every now and then you get a codepoint
18:54:02 <sbp> probably integers knowing [bjoern]
18:54:06 * nsh thought chinchillas were stuffed with confetti in vivo
18:54:15 <[bjoern]> where every now and then is as soon as possible
18:56:29 <sbp> .wik field of cloth of gold
18:56:29 <phenny> "The Field of Cloth of Gold, also known as the Field of Golden Cloth (French: Le Camp du Drap d'Or) is the name given to a place in Balinghem, between Guînes and Ardres, in France, near Calais." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_of_cloth_of_gold
18:56:42 * nsh frowns
18:56:49 <[bjoern]> the system accepted my first haskell assignment!
18:57:22 <sbp> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Field_of_the_cloth_of_gold.jpg
18:57:28 <nsh> UTF-8 is lossless encoding of the entire unicode standard?
18:57:37 <[bjoern]> yes
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18:57:40 <nsh> why bother with the fucking codepoints at all then?
18:57:50 <nsh> why not just impliment unicode using the efficient encoding?
18:57:55 * nsh does not understand
18:58:14 <[bjoern]> codepoints are abstract, they give you a common way to identify characters independent of encoding
18:58:38 <[bjoern]> and utf-8 isn't all that efficient, it wastes space, time, in many cases.
18:58:40 <jsled> nsh: utf-8 is always going to be inefficient for something.
18:58:44 <[bjoern]> so does utf-16, in other cases
18:59:00 <sbp> [bjoern]: not if you encode it as ints, though, like your ints right?
18:59:17 * nsh frowns
18:59:30 <[bjoern]> those require 32 bit for ascii chars!
18:59:50 <sbp> nsh: there's your answer
18:59:53 <jsled> .calc 32/7
18:59:54 <phenny> 32/7 = 32/7 (approx. 4.571428571428571)
19:00:02 <[bjoern]> whoa
19:00:10 <[bjoern]> .c 32/7
19:00:11 <phenny> 32 / 7 = 4.57142857
19:00:24 <[bjoern]> is .calc still using that pityful web service?
19:00:28 <sbp> yeah
19:00:43 <[bjoern]> now we know there is one thing it can do well
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19:09:50 <cre8radix> heya
19:10:04 <[bjoern]> wait, there is no en wikipedia article for Haus vom Nikolaus
19:10:20 <cre8radix> fail
19:12:11 <_ulises> yo cre8radix
19:15:05 <sbp> you can make one!
19:15:15 <sbp> 'ello cre8radix
19:15:48 <cre8radix> yoyoyo
19:15:50 <cre8radix> :D
19:15:55 <cre8radix> whazzaaaaah?
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19:16:20 <sbp> utf-8 decoding
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19:47:48 <sbp> scarless: hi
19:50:25 <sbp> oh man, that Hampton Court Historian is talking about Nonsuch
19:50:40 <sbp> pleasure overload
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20:21:36 <[bjoern]> any haskell people about?
20:21:49 <sbp> yeah, Arnia's around
20:21:56 <sbp> calling Arnia, come in Arnia
20:22:02 <sbp> kpreid might be too
20:22:05 * Arnia hears the h word
20:22:34 <[bjoern]> Trying to make a function that maps one array to another
20:22:40 <[bjoern]> totally clueless question ahead
20:22:48 <[bjoern]> I go like this: tp :: Array (Int,Int) Int -> Array (Int,Int) Int
20:23:05 <[bjoern]> I have no idea how to access the input array now
20:23:33 <Arnia> You have the definition in scope still?
20:23:39 <Arnia> just use it
20:23:44 <[bjoern]> the definition of what?
20:23:55 <Arnia> The definition of the input array
20:24:24 <[bjoern]> don't I want to pass arbitrary arrays to the function?
20:24:30 <Arnia> Yeah
20:24:43 <Arnia> But the name is a definition... referential transparency
20:24:59 <Arnia> You can treat the name as a shorthand for whatever the function is passed
20:25:25 <Arnia> Semantically there is no difference between the name and what it refers to
20:25:36 <sbp> .wik George James Symons
20:25:37 <phenny> "George James Symons (August 6, 1838 - March 10, 1900) , English meteorologist, was born in Pimlico, London." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_James_Symons
20:25:37 <[bjoern]> say I write this
20:25:40 <[bjoern]> swap :: (t1, t2) -> (t2, t1)
20:25:40 <[bjoern]> swap (a, b) = (b, a)
20:26:04 <[bjoern]> here a and b come from the input
20:26:22 <[bjoern]> I am looking for the analogous for the function above
20:26:28 <[bjoern]> the a and b that is
20:27:00 <Arnia> I... don't see the problem
20:27:13 <Arnia> a and b are names which are entirely equal to whatever the function is applied to
20:27:36 <sbp> .wik Seathwaite
20:27:37 <phenny> "Dunnerdale with Seathwaite, a village within a civil parish in the Duddon Valley" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seathwaite
20:27:45 <Arnia> In your analogous problem, do the same thing. Use the names
20:27:52 <Arnia> you're not limited to using a name once
20:31:26 <[bjoern]> In the swap example I made up the names a and b to refer to the two values. In the tp example I want to make up a name for the input array. I do not understand how I can make up a name for the input array.
20:32:16 <Arnia> tp a = ... ?
20:32:18 <sbp> .wik Luke Howard
20:32:18 <phenny> "Luke Howard (28 November 1772 – 20 March 1864) was a British manufacturing chemist and an amateur meteorologist with broad interests in science." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Howard
20:32:34 <Arnia> What is it you're confused about? Pattern matching?
20:33:02 * Arnia thinks sbp has a thing for meteorologists
20:33:16 <sbp> watching a programme about the history of meteorology on BBC Four
20:33:18 <sbp> it's very good
20:33:28 * cre8radix wonders if he liked the weathermen
20:33:44 <sbp> Luke Howard created the standard typology of cloud types
20:33:47 <cre8radix> .wik weathermen
20:33:47 <phenny> "One who is involved in presenting weather forecasting" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weathermen
20:34:18 <Arnia> .wik weathermen group
20:34:19 * sbp stabs cre8radix with a non-phallic carnivorous blancmange
20:34:19 <phenny> "Weatherman, known colloquially as the Weathermen and later the Weather Underground Organization (abbreviated WUO), was an American radical left organization founded in 1969 by leaders and members who split from the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) (or claimed to [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)
20:34:43 <cre8radix> :D
20:34:58 <cre8radix> wtf is a blancmange?
20:35:08 <sbp> a flanny white mangy thing
20:35:11 <sbp> .w blancmange
20:35:12 <phenny> blancmange — noun: 1. A simple dessert made by cooking sweetened milk with cornstarch and vanilla
20:35:21 <cre8radix> lol
20:35:55 <[bjoern]> Well that did not work when I tried it! But seems to do now... perhaps I had some unrelated syntax error...
20:37:08 <cre8radix> [bjoern]: :D
20:37:47 * cre8radix thinks unrelated syntax errors are a wide-spread philosophical problem
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20:39:07 * Arnia thinks cre8radix is a wide-spread philosophical problem
20:39:17 <Arnia> I propose to solve it through nihilism
20:39:23 <cre8radix> well thank you!
20:39:37 * cre8radix loves compliments
20:39:48 <cre8radix> hail nihil
20:39:51 <cre8radix> hehe
20:40:08 * Arnia lobs a golden apple at cre8radix's head
20:40:34 * cre8radix requests permission to bite it
20:40:44 <Arnia> Only if you're the fairest one
20:40:58 <cre8radix> truth may hit me like a golden apple
20:41:08 <Arnia> Define 'truth'
20:41:25 <sbp> .oed truth
20:41:26 <phenny> truth (ety. OE. tr?ewþ, tréowþ, tr?wþ...) * I. The quality of being true (and allied senses)., * 1. a. The character of being, or disposition to be, true to a person, principle, cause, etc.; faithfulness, fidelity, loyalty, constancy, steadfast allegiance. (See also troth 1.) Now rare or arch.,...
20:41:51 <Arnia> .oed true
20:41:51 <phenny> true (ety. OE. (strict WS. (ᵹe)tr?ewe,...) * A. a., * 1. a. Of persons: Steadfast in adherence to a commander or friend, to a principle or cause, to one's promises, faith, etc.; firm in allegiance; faithful, loyal, constant, trusty. Somewhat arch., * b. transf. of personal attributes or actions....
20:42:18 <Arnia> A.A.?
20:42:28 <Arnia> When did the OED become Crowley's bitch?
20:42:32 <sbp> heh
20:42:37 <cre8radix> lol
20:42:49 * cre8radix calls ladon
20:42:55 <Arnia> A joke that only works on a handful of people that one
20:43:14 <sbp> nowhere better to deploy it than Swhack
20:43:22 <cre8radix> :)
20:43:25 <Arnia> True... or a convention of occultists
20:43:29 * cre8radix sighs for sbp
20:43:40 <cre8radix> :D
20:43:42 <cre8radix> funny
20:43:49 <Arnia> although you need a convention of occultist epistemologists really for the full impact
20:43:50 <cre8radix> that arnia guy
20:44:19 <Arnia> I'll remember it if I ever deliver a talk at such a convention
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20:45:02 <cre8radix> hrhr
20:49:35 <[bjoern]> apparently google can now limit search results to specific timeframes
20:49:50 <sbp> been able to do that for ages
20:50:01 <[bjoern]> yeah?
20:50:13 <sbp> if you mean "in the past day, in the past week" etc.
20:50:17 <cre8radix> "Whether someone's belief is true is not a prerequisite for someone to believe it.."
20:50:22 <cre8radix> nice
20:50:25 <cre8radix> :)
20:50:27 <[bjoern]> yeah, where?
20:50:44 <sbp> in Advanced Search
20:50:57 <[bjoern]> i see that now
20:51:01 <[bjoern]> for how long?
20:51:02 <sbp> :-)
20:51:09 <sbp> hmm, I found it a few weeks ago I think
20:51:29 <[bjoern]> well that matches about my experience
20:52:00 <[bjoern]> sometimes there is a "web" link in the results, click it and you get some bar on the left side, where you can select stuffs
20:52:05 <Arnia> cre8radix: Nothing is true, everything is permitted?
20:52:12 <cre8radix> gogogo!
20:52:26 * cre8radix hi5s arnia
20:52:44 <[bjoern]> are there any timeframe:24h schnizzlongx?
20:53:10 * Arnia wonders how much more milage he can get out of quoting from Malaclypse the Younger and Peter Caroll
20:53:25 <cre8radix> oh man...
20:53:46 <cre8radix> you could orbit the earth 4ever with that stuff
20:53:48 <cre8radix> :D
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20:55:15 <[bjoern]> http://www.google.com/help/operators.html is incomplete
20:57:16 <[bjoern]> daterange:
20:57:58 <cre8radix> .wik Edmund Gettier
20:57:59 <phenny> "Edmund L. Gettier III (born 1927 in Baltimore, Maryland) is an American philosopher and Professor Emeritus at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst; he may owe his reputation to a single three-page paper published in 1963 called 'Is Justified True Belief Knowledge?'" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Gettier
20:59:51 <[bjoern]> does not seem to work? but then i don't know the syntax...
21:00:33 <[bjoern]> "The Julian date is calculated by the number of days since January 1, 4713 BC. For example, the Julian date for August 1, 2001 is 2452122."
21:03:12 <nsh> fuck that fucker
21:03:14 <nsh> (gettier)
21:05:40 <cre8radix> nsh: :D
21:05:51 <cre8radix> don't like'im
21:05:57 <cre8radix> ey?
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21:07:29 <[bjoern]> Wait, 4713 BC, how can there be a date like that
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21:08:32 <cre8radix> .leo Unbeknownst
21:08:34 <phenny> unbeknownst a. = unbekannt
21:08:34 <phenny> unbeknownst to so. a. = ohne jmds. Wissen
21:08:35 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Unbeknownst
21:08:44 <cre8radix> nice word
21:09:14 <[bjoern]> .g daterange:2454927-2454934 swhack
21:09:15 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.swhacker.com/gallery.php?Qwd=./gallery&Qif=ivanwi2008.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M
21:09:22 <[bjoern]> .title
21:09:22 <phenny> [bjoern]: | The Swhacker Broadhead! | Opens so fast, you can hear the SWHACK! |
21:10:25 <cre8radix> c'mere deer... hahaha
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22:00:11 <kpreid> [bjoern]: if you're still having that haskell problem: tp :: ... is the *signature* of a function, you define it separately
22:00:18 <kpreid> tp myArray = mangle myArray.
22:00:42 <kpreid> back in a while...
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22:31:52 <cre8radix> via machackers: "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?"
22:33:37 <Arnia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U67aLClWpjM&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
22:33:55 <Arnia> IBM did interesting videos
22:35:17 <Arnia> The comments are typical YouTube bullshit though
22:35:19 <cre8radix> nice music
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22:35:53 <cre8radix> omg
22:36:34 * cre8radix is having this crazy science fiction dream
22:36:51 <cre8radix> :O
22:37:03 <cre8radix> hrhr
22:38:25 * Arnia undoes cre8radix's strong force
22:38:38 <cre8radix> oh c'mon
22:38:51 <cre8radix> don't forget: 'tis funny!
22:39:19 <Arnia> I find causing people's quarks to explode at nearly the speed of light to be quite funny
22:39:46 <cre8radix> unless you don't like the music
22:40:51 <cre8radix> heh
22:41:43 <cre8radix> dna
22:41:47 <cre8radix> yeah
22:42:33 * Arnia increases Planck's constant in the vicinity of cre8radix to 4.223
22:42:41 <jsled> The Coiled Coils … playing tonight at the Cow Palace
22:42:56 <Arnia> Cuil
22:43:00 * Arnia ducks
22:43:43 <cre8radix> elmer bernstein
22:43:55 <cre8radix> dude with an organ
22:43:58 <cre8radix> :)
22:45:14 <cre8radix> http://www.cuil.com/search?q=arnia
22:46:02 <cre8radix> "Arnia had a population of 9057"
22:46:10 <cre8radix> wow man, you are many
22:46:13 <cre8radix> :D
22:46:19 <Arnia> I've lost weight since
22:46:41 <Arnia> Is it bad that I have no memory of this conference? http://conferences.computer.org/icebe/2008/program.htm
22:48:37 <cre8radix> "Bridging the Knowledge Gap in Semantic Web Services"
22:48:48 <cre8radix> good one
22:48:52 <cre8radix> :)
22:49:34 <cre8radix> kicked some ass? ...oh yeah, right, don't remember
22:49:51 * Arnia sighs
22:50:02 <Arnia> I think William must have written it and put my name on it without telling me
22:50:21 <Arnia> It is just weird to have to do Google searches to keep your CV up to date
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22:51:35 * cre8radix wonders what CV could be... current visualization or sumpn?
22:51:48 <Arnia> Curriculum Vitae
22:51:54 <cre8radix> omg
22:52:22 <cre8radix> oh and is it bad if you don't remember that?
22:52:36 <cre8radix> :)
22:52:57 <cre8radix> yet
22:53:09 <Arnia> Something to ask him tomorrow I guess
22:53:28 <cre8radix> heh
22:53:57 * cre8radix gets back at writing lyrix
22:54:10 <cre8radix> l8r
22:54:49 <deltab> ‹phenny› sbp: BBC NEWS | Politics | Tories up smear e-mail pressure
22:55:05 <deltab> upsmearing? isnt that used in high-def video players?
22:55:16 * kpreid waves to Arnia
22:55:42 * Arnia waves back
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23:32:13 <[bjoern]> remind me in 8 minutes to !
23:32:17 <[bjoern]> aww
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