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01:33:08 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp Real reason for usian economic troubles http://www.theonion.com/content/video/economists_warn_anti_bush
01:33:09 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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08:35:39 <sbp> yo
08:35:40 <phenny> sbp: 01:33Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp Real reason for usian economic troubles http://www.theonion.com/content/video/economists_warn_anti_bush
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08:41:57 <_ulises> yo sbp
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08:43:18 <sbp> yo _ulises
08:43:43 <sbp> phenny: tell [bjoern] bwahahah, what? http://whythatsdelightful.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/if-you-have-jaws-you-may-want-to-place-them-on-the-floor/
08:43:43 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around.
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11:39:05 <cre8radix> .
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11:49:51 <sbp> .u pilcrow
11:49:51 <phenny> U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN (¶)
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12:34:19 <nsh> .ety pilcrow
12:34:19 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "pilcrow". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=pilcrow
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14:07:31 <Morbus> anyone in here read 2000 AD?
14:08:06 <Morbus> http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/boston-college-prompt-commands-are-suspicious
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15:00:06 <Talliesin> nsh: pilcrow is probably from the Middle English for paragraph
15:02:37 <sbp> .oed pilcrow
15:02:37 <phenny> pilcrow (ety. App. for pilled crow: cf. pil...) * = paragraph n. 1.
15:03:21 <sbp> “[Etymology: App. for pilled crow: cf. pilcorn, pilgarlic, etc. The application of the word, with the form pylcraft, has suggested that it originated in a perversion of paragraph, through pargrafte, *parcrafte, etc.: cf. quots. c1460 and 1617. But the history of the word is obscure, and evidence is wanting.]”
15:05:00 <sbp> a1625 Fletcher Nice Valour iv. i, “But why a Peel-crow here?.. A Scar-crow had been better.”
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16:19:57 <[bjoern]> nuyo
16:19:57 <phenny> [bjoern]: 08:43Z <sbp> tell [bjoern] bwahahah, what? http://whythatsdelightful.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/if-you-have-jaws-you-may-want-to-place-them-on-the-floor/
16:20:10 <sbp> yo
16:20:32 <[bjoern]> I'm dirty.
16:21:04 <sbp> we know
16:21:14 <sbp> and your legs are full of love
16:21:37 <sbp> by the way, the thing on the roof was clearly a tree
16:22:23 <[bjoern]> ECONTEXTUALJUMPTOOFARBACK
16:23:01 <sbp> the question I asked you that you never answered so probably didn't even see
16:23:06 <sbp> storkroofs, stage left
16:23:16 <sbp> there was all this weird white shizzle over it
16:23:21 <sbp> it looked like a localised snow storm
16:23:30 <sbp> but now that the tree has blossomed further, I can make out it's a tree
16:24:28 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7999909.stm
16:24:29 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Man bites snake in epic struggle
16:25:24 <[bjoern]> I figured i will be making code that generates semi-random functions and then checks them against some fitness function, to find bithax n stuff.
16:25:34 <[bjoern]> I also figured, what, this does not exist yet????
16:26:13 <sbp> genetic algorithms on code have traditionally focussed on simple parse trees, I think
16:26:23 <[bjoern]> blossomed tree check
16:27:22 <[bjoern]> nesttelegramm has nonus
16:27:43 <sbp> yeah, we just can has waitforhatch perd. I think
16:27:50 <sbp> w3rdup 2 that
16:28:07 <[bjoern]> I say this year we shall see hatchlings
16:28:19 <sbp> yeah, I think so too
16:28:22 <sbp> she laid more eggs this year
16:28:27 <[bjoern]> also, we will see storks actuall bring the babies.
16:28:30 <sbp> and I think she's been more on the intensitosit
16:28:33 <sbp> hehe
16:28:41 <[bjoern]> More importantly, it's a lot warmer.
16:28:58 <sbp> dunno if that matters much as long as she's sitting, does it?
16:29:18 <[bjoern]> last year theory was a) cold b) parents not sitting sometimes.
16:29:53 <sbp> "It takes a lot of sitting getting chicks to hatch."
16:30:01 <sbp> - lyric from a song iTunes just started at random
16:30:17 <[bjoern]> makes me think all Alien
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16:36:12 <[bjoern]> .leo mush
16:36:13 <phenny> mush = der Brei, der Maisbrei, der Mansch, das (auch: der) Mus, der Papp
16:36:14 <phenny> mush winding (tech.) = wilde Wicklung
16:36:15 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=mush
16:38:30 <[bjoern]> I am not sure how to write the fitness function in my particular case of interest (calculate char class in my decoder)
16:38:51 <[bjoern]> basically i have a bunch of A != B assertions that a proper function would have to satisfy
16:38:59 <[bjoern]> so i would count how many it gets right
16:39:36 <[bjoern]> should probably count how many assertions i got
16:39:41 <sbp> guess: five
16:39:49 <[bjoern]> more like thousands
16:40:03 <sbp> five thousands?
16:40:13 <[bjoern]> well less than 256^2 / 2
16:40:22 <sbp> .c 256^2 / 2
16:40:22 <phenny> (256^2) / 2 = 32 768
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16:45:30 <[bjoern]> 46083 maybe
16:45:41 <[bjoern]> hmm no
16:45:44 <[bjoern]> half of that?
16:45:47 <[bjoern]> right
16:45:52 <[bjoern]> .c 46083 /2
16:45:53 <phenny> 46 083 / 2 = 23 041.5
16:45:58 <[bjoern]> so in the order of that
16:46:12 <[bjoern]> .c 128 + 16 + 13 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 16 + 32 + 30 + 14 + 3
16:46:13 <phenny> 128 + 16 + 13 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 16 + 32 + 30 + 14 + 3 = 255
16:46:30 <[bjoern]> off by one somewhere
16:47:01 <[bjoern]> ah
16:47:10 <[bjoern]> .c 46338/2
16:47:11 <phenny> 46 338 / 2 = 23 169
16:47:14 <[bjoern]> there we go
16:47:25 <[bjoern]> that many comparisons suck
16:49:21 <[bjoern]> well just doing them is probably faster than thinking about it first
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17:00:57 <[bjoern]> "Greetings! I see you are in [SYMBOL FOR TWO-LETTER CODE DE]. I am in a country without an emoji flag. It makes me [CRYING FACE]. I can see the [SNOW-CAPPED MOUNTAIN] outside my window." - Michael Everson
17:02:56 <sbp> megachox
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17:05:47 <Arnia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Great_Sheffield_Flood.jpg
17:05:53 <Arnia> I had no clue this had happened...
17:08:16 <sbp> <Ralph> Even my boogers are spicy.
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17:11:30 <sbp> .gc "NO OUTSIDE EUCHARIST"
17:11:30 <phenny> "NO OUTSIDE EUCHARIST": 5
17:15:21 <sbp> Police Manifesto
17:15:24 <sbp> 1) find criminals
17:15:27 <sbp> 2) arrest criminals
17:15:30 <sbp> 3) lick criminals?
17:15:34 <sbp> 4) send criminals to jail
17:15:42 <sbp> 5) criminals learn criminal skills in jail
17:15:46 <sbp> 6) criminal out on appeal
17:15:50 <sbp> 7) new race of supercriminals
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17:23:51 <[bjoern]> .u v
17:23:51 <phenny> U+0076 LATIN SMALL LETTER V (v)
17:28:19 <[bjoern]> .u x
17:28:20 <phenny> U+0078 LATIN SMALL LETTER X (x)
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17:40:05 <[bjoern]> so program generation works with abnfgen
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17:43:36 <Arnia> Fun map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/GCRmap1903.JPG
17:43:48 * Arnia waits for a bad LtU-style joke
17:51:27 <[bjoern]> yup verifier would do 23169 compares / additions
17:54:23 <sbp> Cleethorpes?
18:12:15 <[bjoern]> remind me in ... No Monty!
18:13:04 <sbp> I'll do it for you
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18:13:19 <[bjoern]> remind me in 18 minutes to !
18:15:34 <sbp> kk
18:15:43 <sbp> .c 13 + 18
18:15:44 <phenny> 13 + 18 = 31
18:20:52 <[bjoern]> .title http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/business/2009/04/090406_zimbabwe_dollar.shtml
18:20:53 <phenny> [bjoern]: BBC World Service - Business - Zimbabwe switches to rand and US dollar
18:21:31 <deltab> $1 = rand();
18:21:46 <jsled> hmm.
18:22:01 <[bjoern]> Well their previous dollar had about that value, yes
18:23:15 <sbp> deltab: remind me at 19:31 local to remind [bjoern] to !
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18:25:22 <Arnia> 'immature personality'?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connington_South_rail_crash
18:25:57 <Arnia> Well, yes, that's one way of putting it
18:26:21 <sbp> common cause of discharge
18:26:52 <Arnia> I'll tell my doctor that next time I see her
18:28:23 *** nsh changed the topic to: "Swhack: cargo-culting itsr way through rational thinking in a doomed attempt to outsmart the secular rational world. since 2001"
18:28:30 *** nsh changed the topic to: "Swhack: cargo-culting its way through rational thinking in a doomed attempt to outsmart the secular rational world. since 2001"
18:29:59 <[bjoern]> deltab: you asked me to remind you to remind sbp to remind me shortly to !
18:30:17 <sbp> .gc "outsmart the secular rational world"
18:30:18 <phenny> "outsmart the secular rational world": 1
18:30:18 <deltab> nuh-uh
18:30:42 <sbp> --
18:30:42 <sbp> Remember, humanity's original sin is supposed to be that Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Logical conclusion if you're a fundie: knowledge = bad.
18:30:42 <sbp> Funny how they then try to cargo-cult their way through rational thinking in a doomed attempt to outsmart the secular rational world, though.
18:30:43 <sbp> --
18:30:53 <sbp> one minute to go before the great bjoern reminder!
18:31:00 <deltab> sbp: !?
18:31:05 <sbp> yeah, !
18:31:13 <Arnia> !!
18:31:18 <deltab> quite
18:31:19 <sbp> .tock
18:31:20 <phenny> "Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:31:20 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
18:31:24 <sbp> oh, cool
18:31:28 <sbp> my clock is all bogshit
18:31:35 <sbp> [bjoern]: you asked me to remind you to !
18:31:36 * Arnia didn't see the 'l' there
18:31:50 <sbp> deltab: you didn't ask me to remind you to feel thanked by me, but do so anyway
18:32:05 <sbp> [bjoern]: and thanks for reminding deltab to remind me even though he didn't ask for that
18:32:40 <deltab> news item with numbers: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7999579.stm
18:32:42 <deltab> .title
18:32:43 <phenny> deltab: BBC NEWS | UK | Third of men 'live with parents'
18:32:58 <deltab> and other national statistics
18:33:00 <[bjoern]> I feel like I forgot something important
18:33:09 <sbp> wonder how many ONS workers live with their parents?
18:33:12 <deltab> In England, 31% of households with dependent children are living in housing without adequate heating or facilities.
18:33:29 <sbp> “statistically speaking, it's much cheaper to live with your parents” said in ONS spokesman in tweed
18:33:41 <sbp> *an
18:33:45 <deltab> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/8000124.stm
18:33:46 <phenny> deltab: BBC NEWS | England | Essex | Taxi man angry at Tweed sentence
18:34:32 <[bjoern]> .gd ONS
18:34:33 <phenny> ONS: Office of National Statistics.
18:34:47 <[bjoern]> I only know One Night Stand
18:35:52 <Arnia> everyone loves the ONS
18:36:24 <sbp> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFXIALf9zDA
18:36:25 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - Richard Dawkins Rap - Beware the Believers
18:36:42 <sbp> the production on this is scarily good
18:39:05 * nsh was just watching that
18:39:07 <sbp> also, I apologise for my tweed sentence
18:39:12 <sbp> nsh: yeah, I know
18:39:13 <nsh> turns out it's a Poe
18:39:17 <sbp> a Poe?
18:39:27 <nsh> the person who made it is not actually a creationist
18:39:34 <nsh> (though it seems he was hired by creationists to make it)
18:39:49 <nsh> cargo-cult their way through rational thinking in a doomed attempt to outsmart the secular rational world
18:39:51 <nsh> ups
18:39:51 <sbp> a Poe? rumours of his death were unsubstantiated?
18:39:55 <nsh> http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe's_Law
18:40:02 <sbp> wasn't he more famous for making poetry?
18:40:16 <sbp> ah, yes
18:40:21 <sbp> why is that named after Poe though?
18:40:27 <sbp> were rumours of his death unfounded?
18:40:32 <nsh> some other poe probably
18:40:36 <nsh> which is to say
18:40:40 <nsh> ZOMBIE EDGAR ALLEN
18:41:02 <sbp> “Superior bragging rights can be earned by calling it first.”
18:42:01 <sbp> ooh, a Test Yourself section
18:42:15 <sbp> hmm, Time Cube is on it though
18:43:30 <nsh> TUME CIBE IS THE ONE TRUE GOSPAL
18:46:27 <nsh> did you know, btw, that there has never been a single 30 year period in economic history
18:46:47 <sbp> and now there never will be
18:46:56 <nsh> where tweed has not been a positive investment?
18:46:58 <sbp> since economics seems to have gone into menopause
18:47:04 <nsh> +++
18:47:08 <nsh> econimics menopause
18:49:13 <sbp> nsh: I had an odd experience yesterday whilst reading the National Secular Society site materials. for some reason I looked at it as if it were some historical website that everybody had forgotten about, as though it were some crazy Times article from 1852
18:49:18 <sbp> and it actually looked quite funny
18:50:37 <sbp> because, for example, the majority of the aims of the secular society already seem to be enshrined in the U.S. constitution; so that seems a bit of a peculiar way of trying to meet the philosophical aims of the society
18:50:46 <nsh> awesome
18:50:51 <sbp> given that the U.S. is one of the countries that meets them least
18:51:00 <nsh> sorry, having ramfarts
18:51:06 <nsh> need to kill seamonkey
18:51:10 <sbp> rams can be corked with no ill effect
18:51:24 <sbp> they merely convert their farts to nippleburps
18:51:35 <nsh> this is SECRETS sbp
18:51:50 <sbp> oh, sorry
18:51:57 <_ulises> sbp: the U.S.? what's that?
18:52:06 <sbp> .wik U.S.
18:52:07 <phenny> "The United States of America (commonly referred to as the United States, the U.S., the USA, or America) is a federal constitutional republic comprising fifty states and a federal district." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.
18:52:20 <_ulises> oh, right, NN you mean, yeah
18:52:20 <sbp> Wikipedia claims it's a country in the northern hemisphere of earth
18:52:29 <_ulises> heh, those wikipedia comedians
18:52:32 <sbp> yeah
18:52:41 <_ulises> they sometimes crack me up
18:58:10 <sbp> nsh: music for you, uploading
18:59:30 <sbp> hmm, maybe not. filebin keeps breaking
18:59:56 <[bjoern]> the rap part of the vid succs
19:04:36 <sbp> “I love how they make Dennett look like a mad playa”
19:07:29 <[bjoern]> xkcd is good today.
19:07:53 <sbp> perhaps you read the rich person's xkcd
19:10:39 <[bjoern]> you not subscribed to the xkcd - mithril edition newsletter?
19:11:41 <sbp> they don't let people like me do that
19:12:32 <[bjoern]> Oh we are playing the "I do only things other people let me do" game
19:13:40 <sbp> heh, heh
19:13:55 <sbp> only if you're letting me play it, yes
19:14:56 <[bjoern]> we must seek d8uv's permission to commence terriferious gaming.
19:17:19 <[bjoern]> someone should take simple english wikipedia, and rewrite it for the godfearing
19:19:39 <sbp> nsh: http://jesterpm.net/filebin2/437257569/Frankie.mp3
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19:30:15 <sbp> also http://www.speedyshare.com/data/260952480/16283006/56752349/Frankie.mp3
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20:00:31 <nsh> I LISTEN
20:00:40 <nsh> after agonisingly slow cachefill
20:00:53 <[bjoern]> and the cachelings listen back at you.
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20:25:55 <[bjoern]> okay first test thingy compiling...
20:26:12 <[bjoern]> perhaps I should have made it smaller
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20:28:10 <[bjoern]> seems to work well
20:37:04 <Arnia> sbp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_fire_of_Newcastle_and_Gateshead
20:37:16 <Arnia> "A slight concussion warned the crowd that there was something more perilous than sulphur alone in the burning pile. A second slight explosion did not warn the firemen and surrounding crowds. A third passed unheeded even."
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20:51:58 <bsh> Apparently I have discovered how to use my C compiler to turn of my computer...
20:51:58 <phenny> bsh: 07 Apr 18:20Z <[bjoern]> tell bsh chx out skitsketch.de
21:00:02 <bsh> loggy: pointer?
21:00:02 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2009-04-15#T21-00-02
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21:19:34 <bsh> hmm programs score 23153 a lot, but they need to score 23169; almost sounds like a bug
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21:25:55 <[bjoern]> okay time to use a different compiler
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22:17:28 <[bjoern]> linux magic to copy terminal buffer text to file?
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22:42:31 * [bjoern] files http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=39779
22:42:52 * bancus usually copies and pastes.
22:43:19 <Tene> [bjoern]: xclip
22:43:26 <nsh> whut
22:43:28 <nsh> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/apr/15/lehmanbrothers-nuclear-weapons
22:43:30 <phenny> nsh: Lehman Brothers sitting on a nuclear asset | Business | guardian.co.uk
22:43:37 <nsh> "Bankrupt US bank's liquidators have been trying to offload 450,000lb 'yellowcake' stockpile for months"
22:43:43 <nsh> WHUTPLS
22:43:51 <[bjoern]> I doubt _x_clip would work from mode 2
22:44:55 <Tene> ... bjoern++
22:44:56 <[bjoern]> copy and paste would not work either, as it's running in a vm...
22:45:25 <Tene> wow, I really fail at reading.
22:45:37 <Tene> I usually use gpm
22:45:42 <Tene> mouse support for console
22:45:54 <Tene> so, console copy/paste
22:46:15 <[bjoern]> But I wanted to copy it out of the vm to the host!
22:46:39 <[bjoern]> ended up piping to a file, using netcat to transfer file, and manually restoring commands entered
22:46:58 <Tene> ah
22:47:06 <Morbus> anyone know if you can copyright trivia questions?
22:47:25 <[bjoern]> as a set or individually?
22:47:29 <Morbus> individually.
22:49:45 <jsled> well, the individual facts aren't copyrightable. "Clearly" the set of questions is copyrightable.
22:50:10 <Morbus> sure.
22:50:47 <jsled> huh.
22:51:02 <[bjoern]> .wik Threshold of originality
22:51:02 <phenny> "The threshold of originality is a concept in copyright law that is used to assess whether or not a particular work can be copyrighted." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_of_originality
22:51:14 <jsled> I'd guess the phrasing of the questions could be considered "original".
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22:53:06 <nsh> damn, i love greg egan
22:53:16 <nsh> i think i'm going to write him fanmail
22:54:01 <Morbus> http://db.freevial.org/xml.php?mode=export&categoryid=19
22:54:02 <Morbus> exciting.
22:54:38 <nsh> stupid xml
22:55:00 <nsh> are there people that look at xml and think "well, that's a clever way to represent structured data"?
22:55:06 <nsh> i don't want to meet people like that
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22:57:24 <Morbus> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=138624&package_id=153513
22:57:28 <Morbus> has a few thousand, looks like.
23:01:29 <Morbus> probably get a healthy amount from http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=trivia
23:01:37 <Morbus> but i suspect most of them don't come with decent dbs.
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23:06:16 <Morbus> hrm.
23:06:20 <Morbus> healthy bit here, but in an encoded format.
23:06:20 <Morbus> http://trivia.doormud.com/sysop.html
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23:14:59 <deltab> nsh: I wonder how many other fiction authors get reviews in New Scientist (e.g. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026826.800-incandescence-by-greg-egan.html)
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23:20:46 <nsh> deltab, heh indeed. (nice link btw thanks)
23:21:04 * nsh currently reading Schild's Ladder
23:37:46 <procto> I am in an airplane
23:37:48 <procto> right now
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23:40:49 <[bjoern]> computer again powered off, this time while gcc compiled strange sources
23:46:33 <Arnia> "Youtube has billed the ensemble as the "world's first collaborative orchestra", perhaps setting aside the fact that an orchestra is by definition a group of classical musicians playing together"
23:46:42 <Arnia> — http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/apr/15/you-tube-orchestra-carnegie-hall
23:47:58 <nsh> it's not collaboration if it doesn't involve the internet
23:48:00 <nsh> everyone knows that
23:48:23 <nsh> how are you, Arnia?
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23:49:20 <Arnia> ok... another low blood sugar this evening so I'm staying up just a bit longer to make sure it isn't going to crash again
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23:49:47 <nsh> can't you get a freakin' chip yet that monitors sugar levels and triggers release?
23:49:57 <Arnia> No
23:50:01 <nsh> don't they have that for birth control?
23:50:09 <nsh> i suppose it's slightly more challenging
23:50:12 <Arnia> It is a bit more complicated than that
23:50:25 <nsh> i suppose
23:50:56 <nsh> i'm still going to take my default stance of "people are being lazy and unimaginative" because it makes me feel superior without having to do anything productive
23:51:02 <nsh> which is where i'm at mang
23:51:07 <Arnia> ah, ok
23:51:09 * nsh smiles
23:51:46 <nsh> can you elaborate on how staying awake helps?
23:52:11 <Arnia> I can check my blood sugar when I'm awake
23:52:15 <Arnia> I can't when I'm asleep
23:52:16 <nsh> oh right, of course
23:52:34 <nsh> i was thinking it might be tied into difference in metabolism when sleeping
23:53:06 <nsh> i suppose you *can* get a machine that monitors the blood sugar while you sleep though
23:53:23 <nsh> does it require a prick test?
23:54:18 <Arnia> Yes
23:54:27 <Arnia> And there is a different metabolism when you're asleep
23:54:52 * nsh nods
23:54:56 <Arnia> But the way it is different is complicated
23:55:06 <Arnia> and it means that you're more at risk of going low in the night
23:55:19 <nsh> so better to wait for the upturn before you go to sleep
23:55:26 <Arnia> (so if you've gone low in the day, you're much more likely due to depleted reserves of glycogen)
23:55:38 <nsh> assuming there is some rough cyclicness
23:56:05 <nsh> couldn't you eat one of those slow release pills they use for prozac
23:56:12 <nsh> and have that smooth it out somewhat?
23:57:33 <Arnia> Can't give insulin in an ingestible form
23:58:00 <Arnia> and eating starchy food is the best thing with regards glucose
23:58:08 <nsh> mmm
