00:00:09 <[bjoern]> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Jenga.gif
00:00:23 <[bjoern]> funny how that is precisely what did not happen.
00:00:42 <[bjoern]> "The little mermaid - girl discovers true love is attainable through extreme body augmentation"
00:03:12 * nsh- smiles
00:06:44 <[bjoern]> "DER UNTERGANG: Man dreams of uniting world but has dreams crushed by Communists."
00:07:00 <[bjoern]> darn commies.
00:10:25 <[bjoern]> "NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR: Authorities contain terrorist threat."
00:10:54 <[bjoern]> "THE MATRIX: Computer geek quits his job to spend more time playing a superhero in an online game."
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00:21:25 <GuySoft> hey, ill ask again, sorry, does anyone know if there is some daemon script to get phenny to run on start-up in debian?
00:22:26 <[bjoern]> write a bash script that simply starts her?
00:53:54 <nsh-> GuySoft, ask in #linux how to start a service at boot tie
00:53:55 <nsh-> *time
00:54:30 <GuySoft> nsh-, i wrote something myself, but the bot keeps dieing.. i need some keep alive way
01:03:09 <deltab> you need another program with a loop
01:12:46 <GuySoft> nsh-, yes, but it the app tends to get stuck connected to the server but not the room
01:13:01 <GuySoft> thats why i am looking for someone smarter than me that solved it
01:17:19 <deltab> why does it get stuck?
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03:39:53 <[bjoern]> Slowly getting the hang of Haskell
03:40:47 <[bjoern]> I much dislike the `func` syntax though
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04:24:26 <[bjoern]> .wik donkey punch
04:24:26 <phenny> "Donkey punch is a slang term for an apocryphal and potentially lethal[1]| sexual practice supposedly performed during anal sex." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_punch
04:27:12 <Ficthe> Oh dear. I sincerely hope professional boxers are unaware of this practice.
04:27:31 <[bjoern]> haha you clicked.
04:27:52 <Ficthe> I didn't. I don't know why you would assume that.
04:28:11 <[bjoern]> You aren't the first to try saying that.
04:28:15 <[bjoern]> It never works.
04:29:25 <Ficthe> My 6-year old niece is sitting 2 feet away from me.
04:29:54 <Ficthe> God help me if I had clicked the link after reading the wiki description
04:30:16 <[bjoern]> You think God would help people having clicked it?
04:30:58 <Ficthe> Sorry to get all metaphysical on you, but what kinda God are you talking about?
04:33:07 <[bjoern]> immediate context implies answer
04:34:52 <Ficthe> okie dokie. and I don't know if God would help. What are your thoughts on it?
04:37:42 <Ficthe> I think I'll be off for my dinner, and then sleep. You can think about the question overnight and answer me tomorrow. Good night for now
04:38:10 <[bjoern]> Since when do I think about questions!
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05:01:33 <cre8radix2> http://zensursula.zensiertdas.net/start.php
05:05:37 <cre8radix2> from an add: "Why be normal? Do Jivamukti Yoga! Hot, hip and holy in Berlin"
05:05:43 <cre8radix2> hrhr
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05:10:24 <[bjoern]> Don't tell sbp about Bombenbauanleitungen, Anonymisierungsdienste, and Anscheinsjugendpornographie
05:10:32 <cre8radix2> :D
05:10:53 <cre8radix2> [bjoern]: schon so früh unterwegs?
05:11:04 <[bjoern]> .wik 4fuckr
05:11:06 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "4fuckr".
05:11:14 <[bjoern]> Früh, spät, alles dasselbe
05:11:23 <cre8radix2> heh
05:11:32 <[bjoern]> Been hacking prolog, haskell, java assignments, and other stuffs.
05:11:34 * cre8radix2 started a pledge
05:11:47 <cre8radix2> http://www.pledgebank.com/GEMAHACKEN
05:12:18 <[bjoern]> punny GE MA HACKEN
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05:12:26 <cre8radix2> yep
05:12:33 *** cre8radix2 is now known as cre8radix
05:12:52 <[bjoern]> insufficiently subtle
05:13:30 <cre8radix> nice terminology
05:14:01 <[bjoern]> now to my good morning beer and pizza.
05:14:09 <cre8radix> :D
05:14:22 <cre8radix> where can you get pizza atm?
05:14:30 <cre8radix> out the fridge?
05:14:39 <cre8radix> freeze RRRRRRRRRRR
05:14:49 <[bjoern]> That'd be a bit cold. I used the Ofen instead.
05:14:54 * cre8radix pets his baby
05:15:08 <[bjoern]> Hard to resist that Judenwitz opportunity.
05:15:11 <cre8radix> the man is ok... just a little freaky
05:15:22 <cre8radix> :D
05:15:41 <cre8radix> jew know who got the best jokes
05:15:42 <cre8radix> ;P
05:17:01 <[bjoern]> so what's with the GEMA CC issue?
05:17:58 <cre8radix> [bjoern]: die gema soll sich an die bedürfnisse ihrer mitglieder anpassen
05:18:18 <cre8radix> ich war ca 15 jahre mitglied bei denen
05:18:34 <Arnia> what a strange place: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/apr/19/bob-bob-ricard-review
05:18:49 <cre8radix> und dann bin ich ausgetreten, weil ich keine werke unter cc-lizenz stellen durfte
05:18:49 <[bjoern]> Well, inwiefern ist sie das im Moment nicht?
05:18:58 <[bjoern]> oh, wow?
05:19:01 <cre8radix> heya arnia
05:19:12 <[bjoern]> why is that?
05:19:35 <cre8radix> because the gema has a monopoly in germany
05:20:27 <[bjoern]> so the issue is that GEMA licensing is incompatible with CC licensing, and GEMA members must only use GEMA compatible licensing?
05:20:51 <cre8radix> yeah
05:21:15 <cre8radix> and you authorize them exclusively to collect your royalties
05:21:45 <cre8radix> once you did that... you're not in the position anymore to choose...
05:22:19 <cre8radix> under what license your work is released
05:22:49 <cre8radix> there is a directive from the EU tho
05:23:44 <[bjoern]> I see bielefeldverschwoerung is high on the list aswell
05:23:54 <[bjoern]> I wonder if THEY have something to do with that.
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05:24:52 <cre8radix> saying that the monopolistic interdependencies of collecting societies have to be broken
05:25:01 <cre8radix> hrhr
05:26:48 <[bjoern]> "According to Held, the idea for the conspiracy theory formed in his mind at a student party while speaking to an avid reader of New Age magazines."
05:28:31 <[bjoern]> "Due to a mapping flaw, the satellite image and the street map of Bielefeld were misaligned in Google Maps' hybrid view, placing most of the street map of Bielefeld into a forest area nearby."
05:30:38 *** [bjoern] changed the topic to: ""Since German is a pluricentric language, there are different varieties of Standard German.""
05:34:03 <cre8radix> .w pluricentic
05:34:04 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for pluricentic.
05:34:09 <cre8radix> .w pluricentric
05:34:10 <phenny> pluricentric — adjective: 1. Having more than one center; multicentric
05:34:34 <cre8radix> .leo pluricentric
05:34:36 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=pluricentric
05:34:43 <cre8radix> gotcha!
05:34:50 <cre8radix> leo lost some teeth
05:35:06 <[bjoern]> i could use http://zensursula.zensiertdas.net/showsession.cs?-1 for planning weekend activities
05:35:59 <cre8radix> heh
05:36:13 <cre8radix> do you know fefe?
05:36:32 <[bjoern]> Having met in person: no. Otherwise, sure.
05:36:44 <cre8radix> :D
05:37:41 <cre8radix> phenny: tell sbp http://blog.fefe.de
05:37:41 <phenny> cre8radix: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
05:38:20 <[bjoern]> for him that is kinda redundant
05:52:38 <cre8radix> oh noes
05:52:48 <cre8radix> i think he'll love it!
05:53:21 <cre8radix> we'll see the day where sbp speaks perfect germaican
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06:51:43 <sbp> yo
06:51:43 <phenny> sbp: 05:37Z <cre8radix> tell sbp http://blog.fefe.de
06:51:53 <cre8radix> yoyo
06:52:58 <[bjoern]> perhaps uyo.
06:58:29 <sbp> Les Grand Prix du Chine
06:58:36 <sbp> and a German on the pole
06:59:11 * sbp runs fefe through the googleator
06:59:51 <sbp> bwahaha:
06:59:56 <sbp> "[l] The French energy mafia has paid detective, Trojans for Greenpeace to install. And what kind of man is doing something?"
07:00:22 <sbp> "It's like with the Shooting and running amok. Sure you can, even without membership in Schützenverein run amok, it just does not (exceptions prove the rule)."
07:00:34 <[bjoern]> speaking of that, http://www.titanic-magazin.de/news.html?&tx_ttnews[pointer]=3&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=2835&tx_ttnews[backPid]=3&cHash=f06c8c8401
07:01:02 <sbp> .leo Schützenverein
07:01:04 <phenny> der Schützenverein = gun club, shooting club
07:01:04 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Sch%C3%BCtzenverein
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07:04:51 <[bjoern]> the query 'romantisch ins bett pinkeln' landed someone on one of the pages i maintain
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07:11:59 <cre8radix> sbp: :D
07:14:35 * Arnia boings at sbp
07:14:53 <Arnia> I don't suppose you know much about boiler maintenance do you?
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07:55:11 <dmiles_afk> http://www.reverbnation.com/lisabe/
07:56:10 <dmiles_afk> my woman wanted me to swig that ;P - she has douglas adams refernces - artificial inteligence etc
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08:23:03 <cre8radix> bbl
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08:26:16 <Arnia> I forgot just how strange this video was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW6W-XnWsCA
09:00:30 <sbp> Vettel (GER), Webber (AUS), Button (GBR)
09:01:03 <[bjoern]> What's GBR? Have they been racing for long?
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09:01:18 <sbp> Great BRitain
09:01:27 <[bjoern]> oh come on
09:01:46 <sbp> GRB would be silly. it's like GURB
09:01:52 <sbp> and GRE is lue GRUE
09:02:17 <[bjoern]> Lue Grue could make a nice alter ego
09:02:43 <sbp> Luye Grue baby I love you, and it's... Grue loooove
09:02:52 <sbp> you're the one I'm... gruing of...
09:02:57 <sbp> I hate that song
09:04:33 <realist> sbp: are they live results?
09:04:40 <sbp> yeah, it's finished
09:04:44 <sbp> podium celebration at the moment
09:04:59 <realist> Awesome, that'd be Webber's best finish
09:05:07 <sbp> orly?
09:05:23 <realist> ja rly!
09:06:06 <sbp> had a vague idea he'd come 2nd before
09:06:40 <realist> Possibly, I know he's had a podium finish.
09:07:29 <sbp> Monaco 2005, European 2007
09:07:31 <sbp> both 3rds
09:10:34 <sbp> man, the BBC commentary is really poor
09:10:44 <sbp> if it wasn't for Martin and Ted it'd be a complete wash out
09:13:08 <sbp> “We're sorry! German football team to refund fans after 4-0 defeat”
09:14:17 <[bjoern]> Did they pay for a 8:0 defeat?
09:15:11 <realist> If so, they only deserve *half* a refund!
09:17:15 <sbp> http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/pfalzstorch/tagesarchiv_bornheim1/tag/0932.jpg
09:17:50 <Arnia> sbp: a friend of mine has been listening to the CBBC commentary
09:19:38 <Arnia> The tone of this coverage is probably best summed up by this: 'I'm quietly sniggering to myself at their idea to play 'celebrate' everytime Kovaleinen manages to complete a lap'
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09:21:19 <sbp> .gc "soggy goggles"
09:21:19 <phenny> "soggy goggles": 3
09:21:21 <sbp> Arnia: ha!
09:21:38 <sbp> there's CBBC commentary? really"?
09:22:51 <Arnia> Red button apparently
09:23:01 <sbp> eenteresting
09:24:56 <Arnia> I wanted to know who came up with the idea of letting CBBC do commentary and then broadcasting it
09:25:01 * sbp chuckles at nsh's epistle
09:25:03 * sbp reads http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/article.php3?id_article=2488
09:27:50 <Arnia> "It was almost as bizarre as Scientologists taking over 10 Downing Street, or Da Vinci Code buffs patrolling the corridors of the Elysée Palace."
09:28:03 <sbp> these hyphenous em-dashes really are annoying
09:29:47 <realist> Dash abuser!
09:34:06 <realist> Is a double hyphen ever an acceptable replacement for em-dash in plain ASCII?
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09:34:41 <[bjoern]> Are Unicode dashes ever an acceptable replacement for plain ASCII?
09:35:47 <realist> Touché
09:37:09 <Arnia> Is ASCII ever an acceptable replacement for badgers?
09:37:14 * Arnia starts an ASCII zoo
09:37:56 * realist applauds
09:40:08 <sbp> “Yet culture fails as an ersatz religion. Works of art cannot save us. They can simply render us more sensitive to what needs to be repaired. And celebrating culture as a way of life is too parochial a version of redemption.”
09:40:21 <sbp> what about the rôle of religious art?
09:45:16 <sbp> weird article
09:45:21 <sbp> he talks about culture as if there's any left
09:47:27 <sbp> this era of post-World War stability has been a little weird, now that I think about it
09:47:34 <sbp> who would have predicted them after the Victorian period?
09:47:44 <sbp> and the Civil War after the Elizabethan era?
09:47:55 <sbp> wonder where globalism will tend
09:48:23 * Arnia reminds sbp of the exponential function
09:49:34 <[bjoern]> Eaten by busy beavers.
09:49:44 <sbp> we could do with some good poets
09:50:02 <[bjoern]> We'd need some good poets though.
09:50:15 <sbp> I JUST SAID THAT
09:50:33 <[bjoern]> no you did not.
09:50:35 <Arnia> sbp: we need some tragedy for that
09:50:54 <[bjoern]> Other than Life?
09:51:17 <sbp> I don't think it's necessary, actually
09:51:43 <sbp> Chaucer didn't really write in a time of tragedy
09:52:08 <[bjoern]> .wik Chaucer
09:52:09 <phenny> "Geoffrey Chaucer (c. 1343 – 25 October 1400) was an English author, poet, philosopher, bureaucrat, courtier and diplomat." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaucer
09:52:13 <Arnia> sbp: ok, tragedy or satire
09:52:14 <[bjoern]> So, not during his lifetime?
09:53:55 <sbp> there's plenty to satirise, at least
09:53:59 <Arnia> I'm wondering about the tendency to lose sense of connection right now. It is like the Hitchens and Dawkins who fail to appreciate just how much of a debt they owe theological philosophers, or (more prosaically) the people who criticise the iPhone's existence because other developers are now producing multitouch UIs
09:54:30 <Arnia> It is like they live in a static world. They cannot reason with cause and effect
09:54:40 <sbp> yeah, I guess that's grounded in the general hypocrisy of the era
09:54:48 <sbp> that now we got where we are, we don't owe any debt to the process
09:55:00 <[bjoern]> .gc ԹՎ ՉՂԲ
09:55:00 <phenny> ԹՎ ՉՂԲ: 24
09:55:27 <Arnia> I had an interesting chat with a journalist/PR guy on Thursday about this
09:56:50 <Arnia> He contends that the major problem of our age is the sense that we've finished. That we've reached the pinnacle. There is no drive to improve.
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09:58:04 <[bjoern]> But look at what progress has brought us to. Clearly a fight to maintain the status quo would be more an improvement than further progression.
09:58:04 <Arnia> He claims that this has led to a state of disaffectment. There is no reason to get involved with the political process, or if you are involved to be principled (note, principled does not necessarily mean honest)
10:00:35 <sbp> funny that the old mills are now heritage buildings
10:00:51 <Arnia> Heritage doesn't mean nice
10:00:52 <sbp> can imagine buldings of the future as pulsating blobs of black lard or something
10:01:01 <sbp> and people cooing over skyscrapers
10:01:12 <sbp> I dunno, I like the old mills; comparatively
10:01:25 <Arnia> Oh, that reminds me. It was surreal being on the Isle of Dogs on Friday and Saturday
10:01:27 <sbp> of course they're not belching out smoke and imprisoning children in slave-like conditions
10:01:41 <[bjoern]> That's certainly a point on the down side.
10:01:59 <Arnia> You have these stupidly tall buildings which are all shining and gleaming monuments to their owners' success in business
10:02:20 <Arnia> More being built, etc.
10:02:31 <[bjoern]> phalluscrapers
10:02:35 <sbp> wonder where all the dogs went
10:02:36 <Arnia> then just next door (half a mile or less) you have 60s to 80s council flats
10:02:47 <Arnia> the contrast was surprising
10:02:57 <[bjoern]> Trying to locate the scapers butt, to sniff it
10:03:14 <sbp> they want to sniff the buttscrapers?
10:03:22 <sbp> don't think there are any buttscrapers, only phalluscrapers
10:03:34 <[bjoern]> Perhaps they are british
10:03:38 <sbp> with the possibly exception of some of the Gehry buildings
10:03:48 <Arnia> I was staying with a friend, who lives in one of these flats, and walking to Canary Wharf to get into the City was weird.
10:04:02 <Arnia> There was a distinct moment when the architecture shifted
10:04:28 <sbp> be interesting to see how that evolved
10:04:45 <sbp> whether it gradually encroached, what the reasons are for the sharp division, etc.
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10:05:14 <sbp> it's weird studying 16th century London
10:05:22 <[bjoern]> As we were talking about phallus, it seems reasonable to suggest the cockroaches will take care of that
10:05:23 <Arnia> One moment I was standing in a typical 'boring town' style area... then I walked down a passageway and I was in the midst of sci-fi style architecture. Gleaming, clean, awe inspiring and utterly souless in a way that even the 60s didn't achieve
10:05:28 <sbp> it's like, okay, all of this was fields here... this place had one house on it... this was an unpaved road...
10:06:19 <Arnia> and when I say sci-fi, I mean it. 90s sci-fi at that
10:06:35 <sbp> one step from Bladerunner?
10:06:40 <[bjoern]> there is 00 sci fi?
10:06:55 <[bjoern]> Does he have a license to entertain?
10:07:06 <Arnia> Bladerunner is what this would turn into if the recession turns into a depression and the climate just gives up on being habitable
10:07:17 <Arnia> Very very strange contrast. It shifts rapidly again when you leave Canary Wharf estate to the north too
10:07:18 <sbp> give it ten years then?
10:07:31 <[bjoern]> Also ad screens have to evolve wings
10:07:33 <Arnia> You're then in the midst of Tower Hamlets :/
10:07:48 <Arnia> sbp: something like that. Already seen the first signs whilst I was there
10:08:10 <[bjoern]> .wik Faust
10:08:11 <phenny> "Faust or Faustus (Latin for 'auspicious' or 'lucky') is the protagonist of a classic German legend who makes a pact with the Devil in exchange for knowledge." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust
10:08:19 <Arnia> Hugo Boss had a shop there just by the tube station... it had a clearance sale
10:08:20 <[bjoern]> .leo Faust
10:08:22 <phenny> die Faust - Pl. die Fäuste = fist
10:08:23 <phenny> die Faust ballen = to clench one's fist
10:08:23 <phenny> jmdm. mit der Faust drohen = to shake one's fist at so.
10:08:24 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Faust
10:08:30 <sbp> a Hugo Boss clearance sale? chuckle
10:08:33 <Arnia> The Canary Wharf equivalent of boarded up no
10:08:37 <Arnia> w
10:08:43 <Arnia> (black drapes in the windows)
10:09:13 <sbp> we're giving high fashion a financial crisis in a size 16 for under £100
10:09:31 <Arnia> and though the area looked like it ought to be busy, it felt dead.
10:09:56 <Arnia> There were cafés on the estate which were advertising how cheap their sandwiches were
10:10:16 <[bjoern]> It's because some totalitarian corporation is sucking the life force out of the planet there.
10:10:20 <sbp> they should bring the dogs back
10:10:34 <sbp> shame we don't have the play
10:10:46 <[bjoern]> What you need is a couple of misfits with a strange past and magical superpowers, and really really long swords.
10:10:55 <Arnia> Mind you, it was even weirder in the City. I was changing from Monument to Bank and walked up Lombard Street
10:11:08 <Arnia> So many businesses were, well, not there
10:11:09 <[bjoern]> Well Lombard was crazy
10:11:43 <Arnia> Not only things like cafés and gyms, but also mortgage lenders and banks... they'd packed up and moved to cheaper accomodation.
10:12:00 <Arnia> And then Bank station felt oddly unkempt too
10:12:20 <Arnia> There was no way from the surface to the Northern Line apart from stairs
10:12:38 <Arnia> The lifts were simply blocked off
10:12:42 <sbp> they'll have to rename it Government Bank soon, or Flood Bank, whichever is funnier
10:13:01 <Arnia> sbp: Flood Bank is probably going to be more apposite
10:13:15 <[bjoern]> Sucction Bankeria
10:13:32 <Arnia> This whole feeling of an encroaching emptiness spread as far as Kings Cross
10:13:50 <sbp> at least it's not as bad as Philadelphia
10:13:55 <Arnia> The WH Smiths there (which was incredibly busy) is now operating out of half of its original unit
10:14:10 <Arnia> Two cafés and a Boots on the concourse are shut
10:14:23 <sbp> actually, I noticed King's Cross was bad even before the credit crunch
10:14:42 <Arnia> Well, the area around it is pretty bad now in general
10:14:54 <Arnia> although it steadily picks up as you head towards Marylebone
10:15:25 <Arnia> (then rapidly drops off again when you get to Paddington and Shepherd's Bush
10:15:28 <Arnia> )
10:15:42 <sbp> how's Maida Vale and St. John's Wood doing?
10:15:51 <[bjoern]> doing each other.
10:15:58 <Arnia> I don't know. I've never been to either of them :p
10:17:59 <Arnia> I was a bit shaken by how run down the City felt though. Given how much of our economy is pinned to that square mile, to see it so quiet made me worry
10:18:09 <sbp> mmm, yeah
10:18:23 <sbp> a lot of it's American too though, so...
10:19:24 <xover> Yeah, see, I told you this whole Colonization thing was a bad idea.
10:19:35 <sbp> hey, I agree
10:20:04 <sbp> which is why I spell Colonisation Colonisation, for a start
10:20:20 * Arnia spells sbp sbp
10:20:38 <[bjoern]> But you can't play Cilivisation all day, Colonisation was a nice change for a change.
10:21:00 <sbp> how do you spell *contrastive focus reduplication* constrastive focus reduplication?
10:21:04 <xover> Colonification.
10:21:17 <Arnia> and I was out in Soho and the Strand on Thursday and Friday, and both nights felt quiet too
10:21:23 <[bjoern]> [;-;-;]
10:21:31 <Arnia> I've seen busier feeling nights in Durham :/
10:21:40 <[bjoern]> ooooh
10:21:42 <[bjoern]> .wik Civilization IV: Colonization
10:21:43 <phenny> "Civilization IV: Colonization is a remake, using the Civilization IV engine, of the 1994 game Sid Meier's Colonization." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization_IV:_Colonization
10:24:35 <sbp> what we need is a good old pantisocracy
10:24:54 <[bjoern]> Rule by panties?
10:25:33 <sbp> something like that
10:25:50 <[bjoern]> not much different from now
10:26:55 <Arnia> Rule by Pantograph
10:27:03 <sbp> .wik Pantograph
10:27:03 <phenny> "A pantograph (from Greek roots παντ- 'all, every' and γραφ- 'to write', from their original use for copying writing) is a mechanical linkage connected in a special manner based on parallelograms so that the movement of one specified point is an amplified [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph
10:27:12 <sbp> oh yeah, those are great
10:29:25 <Arnia> some interesting ideas here: http://www.tat.se/site/showroom/latest_design.html
10:38:21 <xover> .title http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/011195.html
10:38:21 <phenny> xover: Making Light: "Hold the newsreader's nose squarely, waiter, or friendly milk will countermand my trousers."
10:39:21 <[bjoern]> WATCH AS I
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11:04:39 <Arnia> Oh, the talk about sci-fi buildings reminded me.
11:04:59 <Arnia> sbp: do you remember the Christmas Invasion promo material, showing the Gherkin?
11:06:14 <Arnia> sbp: when the material came out I showed it to a USian, who thought that it was a sci-fi show because of the building in the promo picture (he'd never heard of Doctor Who). He was shocked to find it was a real building
11:26:44 <sbp> chuckle
11:27:58 <clsn> Bleah. Well, that was useless. Slept through most of yesterday, then went to bed and lay awake almost all last night. Gotta get this worked out eventually.
11:27:58 <phenny> clsn: 18 Apr 08:39Z <sbp> tell clsn a pix from the Blessing of the Sun: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01381/israelis_1381610i.jpg
11:29:10 <sbp> “In many ways the general mobile UI is looking a lot like the web did ten years ago.”
11:29:36 <clsn> Needs more porn.
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11:30:43 <sbp> nsh: but what did you think of the article in general?
11:31:47 <nsh> i have no definite opinion
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11:32:21 <sbp> unlike you!
11:32:26 <nsh> indeed
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11:35:00 <sbp> .gs crimes against *
11:35:01 <phenny> crimes against *: humanity (110), nature (8), children (7), peace (6), persons (4)
11:38:17 <sbp> station rule: no train should depart within five minutes of another train having arrived
11:40:02 <sbp> depending on station size though
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11:44:05 <sbp> Arnia, nsh: http://weekendstubble.blogspot.com/2009/04/victorian-gamers-get-wired.html
11:44:15 * nsh is chex
11:45:32 <nsh> awesome
11:52:42 * Arnia wires a badger to nsh
11:53:06 <clsn> I have a book "The Victorian Internet" about the telegraph and how it was basically the internet in victorian times.
11:53:48 <clsn> All the "new" stuff we talk about online; online romances, online games, etc... they had 'em then too.
11:59:34 <realist> Online games?
11:59:43 <realist> Like telegraphing chess moves?
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12:11:23 <cre8radix> lol
12:11:24 <cre8radix> http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/apr/16/letters-surveillance-protests-police
12:11:34 <cre8radix> last entry++
12:11:49 <cre8radix> .w inanity
12:11:50 <phenny> inanity — noun: 1. (uncountable) The property of being inane, of lacking material of interest or satisfaction, emptiness, 2. Something that is inane
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12:22:47 <realist> "These deletions were not only enforced destruction of private property, but an infringement of our privacy.
12:22:50 <realist> I understand the need for some sensitivity in an era of terrorism, but isn't it naive to think terrorism can be prevented by terrorising tourists? "
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12:23:02 <realist> Brilliant.
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12:43:04 <sbp> awesome. TV showing a football match
12:43:10 <sbp> where the football is ON FIRE
12:43:19 <sbp> and the players play barefoot
12:44:46 <realist> Now /that's/ sport!
12:45:29 <xover> An era of terrorism?
12:45:46 <sbp> xover: stretching back to the Babylonian period
12:46:14 <xover> .w era
12:46:16 <phenny> era — noun: 1. A time period of indeterminate length, generally more than one year
12:46:26 <xover> .w terror
12:46:28 <phenny> terror — noun: 1. Extreme or intense fear, 2. Something that causes such fear
12:46:38 <sbp> they may also mean an era in which the word is said quite often
12:46:48 <sbp> terrorism terrorism terrorism
12:47:00 <xover> Ah, so an era of linguistic liberalism then?
12:47:09 <sbp> terrorism? terrorism!
12:47:43 <sbp> .gc "terrorism? in *my* vagina?"
12:47:44 <phenny> "terrorism? in *my* vagina?": 0
12:47:52 <sbp> .gs * in my vagina?
12:47:53 <phenny> * in my vagina?: "* ")
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13:13:28 <xover> .title http://gizmodo.com/5103966/the-unflappable-stephen-fry-becomes-quite-flapped-over-vista
13:13:30 <phenny> xover: Gizmodo - The Unflappable Stephen Fry Becomes Quite Flapped Over Vista - Stephen Fry
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14:32:12 <kpreid> .u µ
14:32:12 <phenny> U+00B5 MICRO SIGN (µ)
14:33:11 <kpreid> .u MACRO
14:33:11 <phenny> U+00AF MACRON (¯)
14:33:15 <kpreid> .u MOVIE SIGN
14:33:16 <phenny> kpreid: Sorry, no results for 'MOVIE SIGN'.
14:33:18 <kpreid> .u MOVIE
14:33:18 <phenny> kpreid: Sorry, no results for 'MOVIE'.
14:33:19 <phenny> kpreid: Sorry, no results for 'MOVIE'.
14:33:28 <kpreid> wot?
14:33:29 <kpreid> .u MOVIE
14:33:30 <phenny> kpreid: Sorry, no results for 'MOVIE'.
14:33:57 <kpreid> wonder what that duplication came from
14:33:59 <kpreid> .u FOO BAR
14:33:59 <phenny> kpreid: Sorry, no results for 'FOO BAR'.
14:35:07 <kpreid> sbp:
14:37:17 <sbp> hai2u kpreid
14:37:36 <sbp> duplication is some odd threading bug
14:37:37 <kpreid> why did phenny say "'MOVIE'" three times?
14:37:40 <sbp> manifests itself rarely
14:37:47 <sbp> well you asked twice
14:38:19 <sbp> very rare double responses are the bug pattern
14:38:35 <sbp> threading is only the presumed source of the problem
14:38:50 <kpreid> heh, heh
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16:03:20 <sbp> [[[
16:03:21 <sbp> Comments by Sir Roy Strong, a former director of the Victoria and Albert museum and the National Portrait Gallery, have stoked the furious row among Shakespeare scholars, who disagree about the true identity of the man in the controversial "Cobbe portrait".
16:03:22 <sbp> Organisers of the Shakespeare Found exhibition, who will unveil the portrait to the public on Wednesday to mark the playwright's birthday, continue to insist that the painting is of England's greatest literary hero. But Strong disagrees and has ridiculed distinguished academic Professor Stanley Wells, saying he is wrong to support the controversial identification.
16:03:22 <sbp> "It is codswallop, isn't it?" said Strong. "I don't know why Stanley Wells has gone off on this fantasy journey."
16:03:31 <sbp> phenny: tell xover ]]] - http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/apr/19/shakespeare-portrait-contested
16:03:31 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
16:05:58 <cre8radix> lalala
16:09:01 <clsn> .ety codswallop
16:09:01 <phenny> "said to be from 19c. (but first attested 1963), perhaps from wallop, British slang for 'beer,' and cod in one of its various senses, perhaps 'testicles.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=codswallop
16:09:18 <sbp> testicle beer?
16:10:15 <sbp> .thesaurus codswallop
16:10:17 <phenny> sbp: nonsense, rubbish, drivel, claptrap, twaddle, bunkum, tosh, baloney, tripe
16:10:49 <cre8radix> .w trollop
16:10:50 <phenny> trollop — noun: 1. A woman held by others as retaining a vulgar and discourteous disposition, 2. (derogatory) A strumpet — verb: 1. to act in a sluggish or slovenly manner, 2. (Scotch) to dangle soggily : become bedraggled
16:10:59 <sbp> might have come from an earlier coddeswalloupe
16:11:13 <sbp> .ety trollop
16:11:13 <phenny> "1615, 'slovenly woman,' probably from troll (v.) in sense of 'roll about, wallow.''Many rayleing opprobrious Speeches and Invectives against the said Elizabeth, calling her Tripe and Trallop.' [1682]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=trollop
16:11:25 <cre8radix> heh
16:11:34 <cre8radix> don't feed the trollop
16:12:41 <clsn> testicle beer == piss?
16:13:32 <sbp> [[[
16:13:32 <sbp> t is often suggested that this word is < the genitive of the name of Hiram Codd (1838-87), British soft drinks manufacturer, who patented several designs for mineral water bottles in the 1870s + WALLOP n. (see sense 4c at that entry), and that it was originally used by beer drinkers as a derogatory term for soft drink. However, no evidence has been found for early use of the word in this sense, and derivation from the surname is not
16:13:33 <sbp> supported by early spellings.
16:13:35 <sbp> ]]] - OED
16:14:44 <clsn> wow. That at least is detailed.
16:14:51 <clsn> And probably way more interesting than the truth,
16:15:20 <clsn> (considering that it isn't THAT interesting, that says something about my anticipated interest level of the true story)
16:24:17 <cre8radix> .define b&k-live
16:24:27 <cre8radix> oops
16:24:31 <cre8radix> wrongchong
16:32:57 <cre8radix> sbp: how does the search on certain sites work again?
16:33:10 <cre8radix> .g foo site:bar.net?
16:33:11 <phenny> cre8radix: No results found for 'foo site:bar.net?'.
16:33:39 <cre8radix> .g foo domain:bar.net?
16:33:40 <phenny> cre8radix: http://systhread.net/texts/200802dns2.php
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16:57:12 <sbp> no question mark
16:57:32 <clsn> No question.
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16:57:41 <sbp> clsn: wallop does seem to have been used for drink a lot in the '50s
16:58:02 <clsn> If you say so. And if OED says so.
16:58:11 <clsn> (because hey, like I would trust YOU.)
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17:04:55 <appletizer> what do people make of biobricks?
17:05:28 <sbp> houses?
17:05:37 <appletizer> .wik biobrick
17:05:38 <phenny> "BioBrick standard biological parts are DNA sequences of defined structure and function; they share a common interface and are designed to be composed and incorporated into living cells such as E. coli to construct new biological systems." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioBrick
17:05:57 <sbp> tiny houses
17:05:58 <clsn> I'm with sbp: let's see some houses!
17:06:01 <appletizer> yeah! :)
17:06:24 <clsn> "biobrick" sounds like a euphemism for some building block made from recycled animal waste. Ewww.
17:06:47 <sbp> or a really bad solid-yoghurt product name
17:07:03 <appletizer> tell me about it
17:07:04 <clsn> Oooh, yeah. Failure of the focus groups there,.
17:07:06 <deltab> “A "biobrick" is a type (brand) of standard biological part. The words "biobricks" and "biobrick" are adjectives, not nouns.”
17:07:30 <sbp> you're looking very biobricks today
17:07:33 <appletizer> haha
17:07:57 <clsn> Wow, plural adjectives. How un-English.
17:08:23 <sbp> except for all of those pesky -ous adjectives, eh? :-)
17:08:31 <deltab> clsn: in constructs such as “the BioBricks Foundation”
17:08:31 <clsn> We don't need no stinkin' agreement. English-speakers hardly ever agree on anything anyway.
17:08:47 <clsn> Bah. -ous isn't sing or pl either.
17:08:49 <sbp> can't be plural if it's not a noun
17:09:05 <deltab> the Foundation that's very BioBricks today
17:09:50 <clsn> That's what I mean.
17:11:30 <deltab> it's that old “trademarks must only be used as adjectives” thinking
17:11:50 <sbp> .gc "cheeky chicken"
17:11:51 <phenny> "cheeky chicken": 2,650
17:12:10 <clsn> Someone should trademark the adjective. Maybe someone already trademarked nouns, which is why you can only use them as adjectives. Or something.
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17:12:32 <deltab> http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000943.html
17:12:40 <deltab> .title
17:12:40 <phenny> deltab: Language Log: Trademark grammar
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17:17:05 <cre8radix> http://bloggingtom.ch/wp-images/ownimg/articles/20080414-blogger-warning-signs.gif
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17:19:18 <clsn> .wik kithara
17:19:19 <phenny> "The kithara (Greek) or cithara (Roman) (Greek: κιθάρα, kitharā, Latin: cithara) was an ancient Greek musical instrument in the lyre family." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kithara
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17:35:52 * sbp watches the Manchester United vs. Everton penalties
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17:41:51 <clsn> .g "ends gurk"
17:41:51 <phenny> clsn: No results found for '"ends gurk"'.
17:41:51 <sbp> Everton win!
17:42:08 <clsn> .wik sexting
17:42:09 <phenny> "Sexting (a portmanteau of sex and texting) is the act of sending sexually explicit messages or photos electronically, primarily between cell phones." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexting
17:43:17 <sbp> "oi, love! give us a shag?"
17:44:40 <clsn> I guess.
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18:10:31 <sbp> man, Countryfile is really bollocks now
18:10:36 <sbp> this new format is absolutely terrible
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18:11:07 <sbp> gone from one of the best programmes on TV to barely worth noting
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19:07:19 <sbp> phenny: tell nsh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praise-God_Barebone
19:07:20 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nsh is around.
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19:48:20 <deltab> sbp: ITV now has a countryside programme
19:49:44 <sbp> deltab: what's it called?
19:51:29 <deltab> Countrywise
19:51:39 <deltab> “Paul Heiney explores Britain's countryside, and finds memorable scenes from the ITV regions. Today, he meets trainee farmers, farriers and blacksmiths who are learning the old skills for a new generation. He also finds out how the Victorians farmed, and introduces another country champion keeping tradition alive.”
19:52:00 <sbp> hmm, interesting. thanks!
19:52:04 <sbp> 7:30pm Thursday, it seems
19:52:54 <deltab> yeah, and repeated on Saturday mornings
19:53:22 <deltab> this week: “Paul explores Britain's coast and country, and meets the people that make it special. Today he celebrates St George's Day on the hill where legend says the dragon was slain. Then he takes a walk along Britain's oldest footpath.”
19:56:26 <[bjoern]> .gc "penis in a slapstick"
19:56:28 <phenny> "penis in a slapstick": 0
20:00:19 <sbp> sounds worth giving a chance
20:00:27 <sbp> did you see it, or just see of it?
20:02:31 <deltab> no
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20:16:53 <[bjoern]> .c 6009 years in days
20:16:53 <phenny> 6009 years = 2 194 740.37 days
20:19:51 <[bjoern]> .c 2^21 days in years
20:19:52 <phenny> (2^21) days = 5 741.81189 years
20:20:40 <[bjoern]> .c two million days in years
20:20:41 <phenny> two million days = 5 475.81853 years
20:20:45 <sbp> trying to predict the apocalypse?
20:23:04 <[bjoern]> We may have some historic dates wrong. It seems only logical that God would lead His people to the promised land around earth's 2 millionth birth day, but that wasn't 1475/76
20:23:44 <sbp> see Mark 13:32 and Matthew 24:36
20:24:11 <[bjoern]> phenny, Matthew 24:36?
20:24:25 <[bjoern]> biblebot, help
20:24:38 <sbp> hehe
20:24:46 <sbp> Monty ought to be able to do this
20:24:52 <sbp> shame he's not around
20:25:03 <sbp> I did strongly hint to Jibbler that he's not around
20:25:05 <[bjoern]> He's working on a new bible translation
20:25:09 <sbp> but he didn't seem interested. I guess he knew
20:25:14 <sbp> oh yeah? in what language?
20:25:25 <[bjoern]> With a blunt object?
20:25:40 <sbp> I hinted with the power of my words
20:25:46 <[bjoern]> same
20:26:06 <[bjoern]> Great insult, I have to write that down.
20:26:14 <sbp> you just did!
20:26:48 <[bjoern]> Where you can't mess with it.
20:27:02 <sbp> well oldgimble only has vi on it
20:27:06 <sbp> so the logs are fairly safe
20:27:36 <[bjoern]> "WikiAnswers - How many feet are in 2000000 light years"
20:28:00 <sbp> ich gehe jetzt. nur die Deutschen müssen wissen, dieses Geheimnis. guten8!
20:28:08 <[bjoern]> hf
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21:58:55 <[bjoern]> User agent strings are becoming ludicrous "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/1.0.154.53 Safari/525.19"
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