00:00:14 <clsn> Basically it. Theory is that the situation in the middle ages in europe exerted evolutionary pressure selecting for higher intelligence.
00:01:47 *** xjrn (n=jim@m4d0436d0.tmodns.net) has joined #swhack
00:03:30 * nsh is dubious
00:04:21 *** lmorchard is now known as lmorchard|away
00:04:57 *** ephemerian has quit (Remote closed the connection)
00:08:14 <nsh> seems about a sensible as saying the new england mennonites have a propensity towards polydactyly because in pennsylvania, things ten to come in twelves
00:09:02 <nsh> more likely to me they're just a statistically smarter-than-average highly cohesive extended family
00:09:41 <clsn> I dunno; the Ashkenazic Jews are a bigger gene pool than the mennonites.
00:09:57 <nsh> true
00:10:14 <nsh> though i suppose they pretty stricly matrilineal homogenous
00:10:23 <nsh> maybe it's teh mitochondiums
00:10:45 <clsn> They make some arguments about how Jews had to take up moneylending, which isn't something you can do with a low IQ, and that higher-IQ families have more kids. But it's pretty sketchy./
00:11:28 * nsh would be more impressed with some kind of cool lemmarkean cumulative effect of higher-than-average education
00:11:33 <nsh> *lammarkean
00:11:57 <nsh> Lamarckian even
00:12:09 <nsh> (can never remember that spelling for some reason)
00:12:29 <clsn> The homogeneity of the Jews is probably not as strict as you might think. There were converts all along, though it wasn't popular, and the occasional extramarital bit...
00:13:09 * nsh nods
00:13:22 <clsn> And there's a lot to be argued in favor of the culture; Jewish culture tended to lead toward a whole lot of education.
00:13:31 <nsh> aye
00:13:52 <clsn> It's been noted that in Christian Europe, the smartest child got sent off to the monastery to learn to read and write and not reproduce.
00:14:01 <clsn> But the Jewish smart kid could have his pick of brides.
00:14:22 <nsh> tell me more about this convert business... ;-)
00:15:11 <clsn> Oh sure, there were converts all through the middle ages. Some even were famous enough to have their histories recorded. And even more converts in the other direction of course.
00:15:45 * nsh smiles
00:16:25 <clsn> I remember reading about some in regard to early printing... Jews were early adopters of the printing press.
00:16:25 <Monty> yeah, spread by the branch has a while, it looks Japanese!
00:16:35 <clsn> There were several excellent reasons.
00:17:03 <clsn> Of the I think 24 titles printed in portugal before 1500, the first 11 were in Hebrew. Sound a little disproportionate? :)
00:17:27 <nsh> you mean, books published at all?
00:17:33 <nsh> (by "titles")
00:17:50 <clsn> Distinct books printed, as opposed to copies.
00:17:55 <nsh> right
00:18:00 <nsh> interesting
00:18:41 <nsh> i wouldn't have thought that the press would be embraced with such rapidity
00:18:47 <clsn> Jews had a much higher literacy rate, more of them read, they had more stuff TO read, and their libraries tended to catch fire every few decades (when the church would get all upset and round up Talmuds and burn them).
00:19:04 <nsh> ah
00:19:23 <clsn> Somewhere in the 13th century they burned *TWELVE WAGONLOADS* of manuscripts... remember, all hand-written. Not so amazing, until you realize they did it again only a few decades later.
00:19:32 <nsh> :-/
00:19:41 <[bjoern]> I bid THIRTEEN WAGONLOADS!
00:19:51 * nsh choxelles
00:20:07 <clsn> Meanwhile, the monks were all worried about their livelihood as scribes being supplanted, so they were against this devilish printing stuff.
00:20:16 <nsh> quite
00:21:03 <nsh> i suppose there's some parallel with the persecution fo file-sharing and the concommitant evolution of distribution technologies
00:21:07 <nsh> *of
00:21:07 <clsn> So the Jewish community embraced printing pretty wholeheartedly.
00:21:19 <nsh> probably an essay in there somewhere...
00:21:30 <clsn> Mebbe.
00:21:42 <clsn> The book "Printing the Talmud" is excellent.
00:22:17 <nsh> you should submit a review for it on amazon
00:22:20 <nsh> none so far
00:23:46 <clsn> Maybe I should.
00:23:55 <clsn> It teaches a lot about early printing in general.
00:24:11 * nsh nods
00:24:19 <clsn> Several of the big names in early non-Jewish printing were also Jews. Most notably Gershom Soncino.
00:24:26 <clsn> .wik Gershom Soncino
00:24:28 <phenny> "The Soncino family (משפחת שונצינו)is an Italian Sephardi Jewish family of printers, deriving its name from the town of Soncino in the duchy of Milan." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soncino_family_(printers)
00:24:42 <clsn> aka Hieronymus Soncino.
00:25:01 <clsn> a major player in the development of printing in general.
00:25:18 * nsh imagines
00:25:20 <clsn> And on the other side, the most important figure in Jewish printing wasn't Jewish: Daniel Bomberg.
00:25:28 <nsh> it must have been so awesome to own an actual press in those days
00:25:30 <clsn> .wik Daniel Bomberg
00:25:31 <phenny> "Daniel Bomberg (died 1549) was an early printer of Hebrew language books." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Bomberg
00:25:36 <nsh> it'd be like having some kind of doomsday device
00:26:14 <clsn> And printers could live itinerant lives. At least a smallish printing operation could be loaded onto a wagon and carted around to the next town.
00:26:25 <clsn> Also handy when getting expelled from countries here and there.
00:26:38 <nsh> aye
00:27:18 <nsh> i'd of course have invented a steam-powered printing-press-cum-locomotive
00:27:26 <clsn> Or you could be rich and well-respected and Gentile like Bomberg or Justiniani.
00:28:00 <clsn> It's also kind of funny because Jewish printing today still occasionally preserves very old antique printing practices.
00:28:15 <nsh> such as?
00:29:03 <clsn> Catchwords. Not really seen in truly modern books, but I've seen ones printed in the last 50 years, even more recent. The first word on a page is repeated on the bottom of the page before.
00:29:24 <nsh> oh right, i recall this
00:29:39 <clsn> Used to be important for lining up the quires, since they were delivered unbound.
00:29:45 <clsn> Eventually spread to all the pages.
00:29:47 <nsh> right, that's it
00:29:55 <[bjoern]> .gc "Grand Fail Auto"
00:29:56 <phenny> "Grand Fail Auto": 426
00:30:27 <clsn> I've heard people make wonderful superstitious excuses for it in Jewish books. "well, you see, you shouldn't lose track of the words even for an instant between pages, so they print it..." Shyeah right.
00:30:40 * nsh smiles
00:31:03 <nsh> .ety superstition
00:31:03 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "superstition". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=superstition
00:31:09 <nsh> .ety superstision
00:31:09 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "superstision". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=superstision
00:31:16 <[bjoern]> If you make paper transparent, you can avoid this problem
00:31:17 <clsn> The arrangement of title pages... The Talmud's pagination system as a whole. It was an enormous innovation and changed the way the Talmud was studied ever since Bomberg.
00:31:26 <nsh> .oed superstition
00:31:27 <phenny> superstition (ety. a. OF. superstition (= It. su...) * 1. Unreasoning awe or fear of something unknown, mysterious, or imaginary, esp. in connexion with religion; religious belief or practice founded upon fear or ignorance., * b. In particularized sense: An irrational religious belief or practice;...
00:31:31 <[bjoern]> .gc superfistion
00:31:32 <phenny> superfistion: 0
00:31:48 <nsh> hmm
00:31:49 <clsn> Before Bomberg, there was no way to refer to a section of the Talmud smaller than a chapter.
00:32:05 <nsh> because they were scrolled?
00:32:24 <nsh> or just that manuscripts had no standardised pagination?
00:32:32 <clsn> Once he printed everything, everybody else used his pagination from then on forever, so you can speak of "page 24b" --mind you, that's folio 24 verso.
00:32:41 <nsh> mm
00:32:46 *** Talliesin (n=Talliesi@ip-89-234-81-71.dub-3rk.metro.digiweb.ie) has joined #swhack
00:32:48 <clsn> Right, MSS has no fixed pagination and no numbering etc.
00:33:24 <nsh> [bjoern] what does the topic mean?
00:33:27 <clsn> (It was the Christian scribes who introduced the practice of numbering chapters and verses in the Bible too; before that you would just reference a verse by quoting it.)
00:33:36 <nsh> hmm
00:33:43 *** Talliesin has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:34:09 * nsh wonders if that could be considered to have been the genesis of compression
00:34:30 <clsn> And again, similar superstitions about pagination. "There's no page 1, because <insert mystical reasoning here>" Correct answer: there's no page 1 because folio 1 was used for the title page, and the numbering reflected that back then.
00:34:52 * nsh nods
00:35:01 <clsn> The Talmud has an annoying habit of quoting half the verse it's talking about... and the WRONG half. You're supposed to know the rest of the verse and what they're referring to.
00:35:40 <clsn> The printed Talmud is a typographer's wet dream. Where's that page...
00:35:43 <clsn> .g page of talmud
00:35:45 <phenny> clsn: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/TalmudPage.html
00:35:48 <clsn> That's the one.
00:35:57 <[bjoern]> ooh wesnoth 1.6 has a new mainline campaign; I tried finding user made ones back then, but even searching for them was a hideous experience.
00:36:03 <nsh> holy shit
00:36:11 <nsh> that's like some freakin star-trek typography
00:36:18 <nsh> neoclassical vulcan
00:36:22 <clsn> See how every little crevice is jammed with notes and annotations?
00:36:27 <nsh> aye
00:36:38 <[bjoern]> .wik vulcan language
00:36:40 <phenny> "Vulcans are a humanoid species in the fictional Star Trek universe who hail from the planet Vulcan, and are noted for their attempt to live by reason and logic with no interference from emotion." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(Star_Trek)
00:36:43 <[bjoern]> .wik vulcan script
00:36:44 <phenny> "Vulcans are a humanoid species in the fictional Star Trek universe who hail from the planet Vulcan, and are noted for their attempt to live by reason and logic with no interference from emotion." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(Star_Trek)
00:36:55 <clsn> The gutters around the main textblock, the margins...
00:37:00 <[bjoern]> I'd go for klingon in doubt
00:37:19 <nsh> http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Vulcan_language
00:37:40 <clsn> Commentaries, some of them. Others are cross-references. When a verse is mentioned, it has book/chapter. When another part ofthe Talmud is mentioned, it gives tractate/folio/side
00:38:03 <clsn> (the folio is given in Hebrew letters-as-numbers, as usual; the side is by punctuation: . for recto and : for verso.
00:38:04 <clsn> )
00:38:05 <nsh> .wik tractate
00:38:05 <phenny> "The Mishnah or Mishna (משנה, 'repetition', from the verb shanah שנה, or 'to study and review') is a major work of Rabbinic Judaism, and the first major redaction into written form of Jewish oral traditions, called the Oral Torah." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tractate
00:38:27 <clsn> The Talmud is divided up into orders, the orders into tractates, the tractates have chapters.
00:38:46 <nsh> oh, i see
00:39:09 <nsh> tractate sounds like some kind of steam-punk impliment
00:39:09 <clsn> (you've discovered how to hover over the page right?)
00:39:19 <clsn> Heh. :) I don't know why that's the word used.
00:39:27 <nsh> .ety tractate
00:39:27 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "tractate". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=tractate
00:39:53 <nsh> [Etymology: ad. L. tractatus (u-stem) a handling, treatment, discussion, treatise, f. tractare: see tract v.1 Cf. Prov. tractat, Sp. tratado, It. trattato, Fr. traité; also Ger. tractat.][ad. L. tract_amac_tus (u-stem) a handling, treatment, discussion, treatise, f. tract_amac_re: see tract v.1 Cf. Prov. tractat, Sp. tratado, It. trattato, Fr. trait_eacu_; also Ger. tractat.]
00:39:54 <nsh> 1. A book or literary work treating of a particular subject; a treatise.
00:39:55 <nsh> --oed
00:40:06 <nsh> .ety protract
00:40:06 <phenny> "1535 (implied in protraction), 'prolongation, extension of time,' from L.L. protractionem 'a drawing out or lengthening,' from pp. stem of protrahere, from pro- 'forward' + trahere 'to draw' (see tract (1))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=protract
00:40:22 <clsn> This is tractate Megilla, page 24a. It's in chapter 3. According to the headings on the page.
00:40:47 <clsn> Some of the crossrefs are even written sideways in the gutter...
00:40:48 <nsh> cute dhtml
00:40:54 <nsh> yeah, noticed
00:41:08 <nsh> crazy
00:41:15 * nsh goes to put some onion rings in the oven
00:41:16 <clsn> Tiny circles and letters for cross-references and footnotes, etc etc.
00:41:24 <clsn> Yeah, gonna have to idle too.
00:42:00 <[bjoern]> And then there is the issue with green testicles.
00:44:19 <clsn> Onion rings, green testicles... You're making me hungry!
00:47:01 * nsh heartily recommends onion rings as a 2am snack
00:47:14 <nsh> also, wonders where the hell that time of the night appeared from
00:52:03 <nsh> .title http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/mar/26/one-nation-seven-sins/
00:52:04 <phenny> nsh: One nation, seven sins - Las Vegas Sun
00:55:08 <[bjoern]> .g run maria colbert youtube
00:55:09 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://dummiefunnies.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-do-you-free-obama-from-maria.html
00:55:19 <[bjoern]> googlewong
00:55:28 <[bjoern]> .g run maria colbert site:youtube.com
00:55:28 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.youtube.com/user/wenlockyoungteam
00:55:37 <[bjoern]> gfail
00:56:12 <nsh> damnit, i had the fan on, but not the heater
00:56:17 <nsh> now they've thawed
00:56:32 * nsh considers replacing them with frozen ones
00:56:41 <[bjoern]> Teaches you to not fuck snowgirls.
00:56:47 <nsh> it certainly will
00:57:14 <nsh> i wonder how much difference to tastiness there'll be in baking from thawed over frozen
01:25:50 *** martianixor has quit ("Lost terminal")
01:33:19 *** martianixor (n=martiani@unaffiliated/martiancode) has joined #swhack
01:39:58 *** [bjoern] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
02:15:49 *** panni_ has quit ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )")
02:50:37 *** xjrn has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
02:51:32 *** jeffarch (n=jeff@70-41-156-138.cust.wildblue.net) has joined #swhack
03:11:57 *** xjrn (n=jim@m410436d0.tmodns.net) has joined #swhack
03:14:22 *** xjrn has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
03:17:05 *** xjrn (n=jim@m3e0436d0.tmodns.net) has joined #swhack
03:17:06 <Monty> Thank goodness, xjrn is back!
03:22:50 *** MorbusIff has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/")
03:24:20 *** MoiraA has parted #swhack ("Leaving")
03:24:39 *** MoiraA (n=MoiraA@pdpc/supporter/active/moiraa) has joined #swhack
03:43:16 *** tav (n=tav@78.151.126.127) has joined #swhack
03:43:16 <Monty> Hey tav, nslater asked me to tell you: http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/DVCSAnalysis [Sat Apr 25 14:48:36 BST 2009]
03:48:10 *** martianixor has quit ("leaving")
03:51:34 <nslater> Monty: tell tav nu
03:51:34 <Monty> nslater: Okay, I'll tell tav that next time I see them...
03:51:44 <tav> hey
03:51:44 <Monty> Hey tav, nslater asked me to tell you: nu [Tue Apr 28 04:49:27 BST 2009]
03:51:44 <phenny> tav: 25 Apr 13:46Z <nslater> tell tav http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/DVCSAnalysis
03:52:00 <tav> heh, i've been told that 5 times by 3 bots now!!
03:52:16 <tav> why such a fuss?
03:52:18 <nslater> heh
03:52:21 <nslater> ask sbp!?
03:52:52 <tav> phenny: ask sbp why such fuss over the DVCSAnalysis -- did you know that analysis had the word anal in it? ;p
03:52:52 <phenny> tav: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
03:54:10 <nslater> burn
06:00:19 *** jeffarch has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
07:17:45 <_ulises> yo
07:34:05 *** KiYanWang (n=KiYanWan@62.172.77.66) has joined #swhack
07:34:06 <Monty> hi KiYanWang, how ya doing?
07:48:25 *** leobard (n=Miranda@dfki-046.dfki.uni-kl.de) has joined #swhack
08:06:35 *** libby (n=libby@94-169-110-24.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #swhack
08:35:18 *** pierpa (n=user@host202-182-static.80-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #swhack
08:41:36 *** Talliesin (n=Talliesi@86.47.160.33) has joined #swhack
09:09:13 *** ephemerian (n=ijd@nat/hp/x-303bf84db94aae47) has joined #swhack
09:28:34 *** cre8radix (n=jamaerah@c-base/member/cre8radix) has joined #swhack
09:29:07 <sbp> phenny: tell tav it was a joke that became a megajoke
09:29:07 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when tav is around.
09:29:09 <phenny> sbp: 27 Apr 21:16Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp I was quite serious about the tds last week, I hope you don't forget when bored.
09:29:13 <phenny> sbp: 27 Apr 21:59Z <nslater> tell sbp http://www.ok-cancel.com/archives/link/2004/09/google-answers-hci-phd-program.html (some guy's blog post happened to end up #1 for "cancel google" in google, and has a deluge of people commenting asking for help on how to cancel google)
09:29:14 *** cre8radix has quit (Broken pipe)
09:29:14 <phenny> sbp: 27 Apr 22:29Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp Expect to come across Unicorn porn soon.
09:29:16 <phenny> sbp: 03:52Z <tav> ask sbp why such fuss over the DVCSAnalysis -- did you know that analysis had the word anal in it? ;p
09:29:37 <tav> ah, heh
09:29:37 <phenny> tav: 09:29Z <sbp> tell tav it was a joke that became a megajoke
09:29:46 <tav> got a pointer ?
09:31:54 <sbp> it was in nslater's unlogged channel of mystery
09:32:22 <sbp> nslater showed me the URI, and asked whether it was interesting
09:32:40 <sbp> I said yes I can annoy tav with it because he seems to like git over hg for some reason, the madman
09:32:47 <tav> ah
09:32:48 <sbp> so I sent a few messages and showed nslater the luls
09:32:50 <tav> why's that mad?
09:32:52 <sbp> and he added to the luls
09:32:57 <tav> heh
09:33:10 <sbp> because git is a pile of wank, and hg is a pile of wank but at least it's still warm
09:33:25 <tav> not annoyed -- i did properly look into hg and the others before choosing git
09:33:55 <tav> over time i've properly looked into arch, monotone, darcs, bzr, mercurial and git
09:34:07 <sbp> what do you like about git that isn't in hg and darcs?
09:34:17 <sbp> I found the darcs vs. hg thing very, very difficult to work through
09:34:23 <sbp> like, they're so evenly matched...
09:34:55 <tav> i found darcs to be painfully slow with larger projects
09:35:11 <tav> which i've not found hg/git to be
09:35:24 <sbp> ah, interesting
09:35:54 <tav> and frankly there's not much difference between hg/git -- the reasons that tipped me into git were 3 pretty simple ones
09:36:05 <tav> 1). rebasing
09:36:10 <tav> 2). staging area
09:36:13 <tav> 3). github
09:39:43 <realist> sbp: I don't get the joke
09:40:46 <sbp> realist: what part don't you get?
09:41:03 <sbp> tav: does DVCSAnalysis help with 3)?
09:41:12 <sbp> probably not since Google Code has other problems...
09:41:15 <tav> sbp: how?
09:41:22 <sbp> because Google Code are using hg now
09:41:26 <sbp> that's the point of DVCSAnalysis
09:41:27 <tav> it just means that github's got less competition
09:41:35 <sbp> they had a look at DVCSes and found they like hg
09:41:45 <sbp> so they're going to be offering hg
09:41:47 <tav> sure, but google code sucks in comparison to github
09:41:55 <sbp> right
09:41:58 <tav> even if google code used git, it'd suck in comparison
09:42:52 <realist> sbp: I seem to be missing a punchline
09:43:05 * realist is out of the loop
09:43:05 <sbp> realist: you just provided it yourself
09:43:40 <sbp> tav: tried bitbucket, by the way?
09:44:04 <realist> I prefer git over hg, and github over google code too. FWIW.
09:44:05 <tav> yes, it's b0rked
09:45:37 <realist> It's especially helpful to link to github changesets in ticketing systems, when reporting/fixing bugs for example
09:50:03 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8021661.stm
09:50:05 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Technology | Home Office 'colluded with Phorm'
10:02:06 *** cre8radix (n=jamaerah@c-base/member/cre8radix) has joined #swhack
10:02:07 <Monty> welcome, cre8radix
10:02:38 <cre8radix> welcome, monty
10:02:39 <Monty> What does that suggest to you ?
10:47:42 *** ephemerian has quit (Remote closed the connection)
11:00:39 *** ephemerian (n=ijd@nat/hp/x-48037c1114506846) has joined #swhack
11:19:23 *** pierpa has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:19:23 *** xover has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:19:23 *** CaptSolo has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:19:23 *** xxv has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:19:23 *** paulproteus has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:19:23 *** leobard has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:19:23 *** dmiles_afk has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:19:23 *** ephemerian has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:19:23 *** lmorchard|away has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:19:23 *** Charles has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:19:23 *** phenny has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:19:23 *** ivan has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
11:21:25 *** ephemerian (n=ijd@nat/hp/x-48037c1114506846) has joined #swhack
11:21:25 *** pierpa (n=user@host202-182-static.80-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #swhack
11:21:25 *** leobard (n=Miranda@dfki-046.dfki.uni-kl.de) has joined #swhack
11:21:25 *** lmorchard|away (n=lmorchar@66.103.254.157.static.a2webhosting.com) has joined #swhack
11:21:25 *** xxv (n=steve@staticfree.info) has joined #swhack
11:21:25 *** Charles (n=neuralne@217.169.13.202) has joined #swhack
11:21:25 *** paulproteus (i=paulprot@2002:db69:2513:0:0:0:0:1) has joined #swhack
11:21:25 *** xover (n=xover@octet.neutri.no) has joined #swhack
11:21:25 *** phenny (i=sbp@59.176.232.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com) has joined #swhack
11:21:25 *** CaptSolo (i=captsolo@195.13.160.19) has joined #swhack
11:21:25 *** dmiles_afk (n=dmiles@c-71-197-210-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #swhack
11:21:25 *** ivan (n=ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001) has joined #swhack
11:21:26 <Monty> lo ivan
11:24:56 *** paulproteus has quit ()
11:29:01 *** paulproteus (i=paulprot@2002:db69:2513:0:0:0:0:1) has joined #swhack
11:38:14 <sbp> funny how communication and travel are balancing out with this flu thing
11:38:22 <sbp> in the olden days, communication like this would've helped massively
11:38:33 <sbp> but then people not globetrotting would've helped massively too
11:45:22 <realist> Another argument for wider adoption of telecommuting
11:45:36 <realist> We should all live in bubbles
11:49:11 <sbp> realist: if you think about it, we probably peed on our toes during most of evolution, and adapted to benefit from it
11:49:29 <sbp> (as Onstad says)
11:50:13 *** jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) has joined #swhack
11:55:34 *** kpreid has quit ()
11:55:57 *** kpreid (n=kpreid@216-171-189-59.northland.net) has joined #swhack
12:04:43 <cre8radix> hi and bye
12:04:55 * cre8radix waves sbp good bye
12:05:34 *** cre8radix has quit ()
12:08:04 <sbp> oh this is funny:
12:08:07 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/7925720.stm
12:08:09 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Arts & Culture | Poll reveals UK's reading secrets
12:08:26 <sbp> “Many also admit to wrongly claiming to have read the classics, including authors Jane Austen, the Bronte sisters, Charles Dickens, Fyodor Dostoyevsky and Herman Melville.”
12:09:35 <sbp> who here has read a book by anyone on that list?
12:09:40 *** jeffarch (n=jeff@70-41-156-138.cust.wildblue.net) has joined #swhack
12:12:37 <_ulises> not me
12:12:56 <_ulises> not embarrassed either ;)
12:16:21 <kpreid> anyone have an opinion on cheap and non-slimy domain registrars?
12:34:24 <sbp> kpreid: gandi.net
12:44:14 <kpreid> ah!
12:44:27 <kpreid> so far, both opinions I've got have been the same
12:45:10 <kpreid> sbp: what do you think of .name?
12:46:00 <sbp> kpreid: not a great fan of it, seems a bit of a gimmick
12:46:09 <sbp> and you're buggered if you're called John Smith
12:46:28 <sbp> nwalsh put it to reasonably good use though, I thought
12:46:35 <sbp> in general I'd avoid it though
12:46:38 <kpreid> well, let's say outside of the first.last bit
12:46:46 <sbp> hmm?
12:46:55 <kpreid> afaict you CAN register foo.name if it's not taken
12:47:05 *** Arnia has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
12:48:18 <sbp> oh. well a personal name is one of the least likely bits of information to change about a person. but I'm not really a fan of names in domains in general, it's a bit proud isn't it?
12:48:55 *** [bjoern] (n=bjoern@dslb-094-223-197-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #swhack
12:49:08 <sbp> the whole idea is stuck together with bubblegum
12:49:58 <sbp> I'm quite annoyed that my national library will only archive .uk domains
12:50:04 <kpreid> hm. do you mean avoiding "real names" in domains, or that one should come up with a personal domain name that is independent of whatever name one uses for oneself?
12:50:25 <sbp> yes, I mean names of people shouldn't be used in domain names
12:50:33 <sbp> to me that looks tacky, normally
12:51:08 <sbp> DanC's crazy ideas about domain names sorta work out though
12:51:14 <kpreid> ?
12:51:22 <sbp> he's got dm93.org, which is technically Dan & Mary '93 (the year they were married)
12:51:27 <kpreid> heh
12:51:32 <sbp> but as he points out, there's no real information in there
12:51:39 <sbp> it's so harshly abbreviated that it could be anything
12:51:47 <sbp> so you're not tying yourself to any information or connotations etc.
12:51:57 <sbp> xkcd.com seems to have done well in that respect
12:52:02 <sbp> it doesn't mean anything, it could be anything
12:52:03 <kpreid> I know someone who registered [ham callsign].net
12:52:09 <sbp> but somehow people remember it
12:52:13 <sbp> callsign: oh, good idea
12:52:36 <sbp> I didn't very much like "swhack" when AaronSw came up with it
12:52:46 <kpreid> in case you're wondering the context for all of this is that my current web host is dropping the service (they say they will leave pages up, but uneditable) and so I'm thinking to go to own-domain-and-separate-hosting so that I don't ever have to switch again
12:52:47 <sbp> but then with usage it got lexicalised and took on a definite meaning
12:52:53 *** Arnia (n=jgeldart@0-16-cb-bd-57-e.it.wlan.dur.ac.uk) has joined #swhack
12:52:54 <kpreid> so I need to pick a domain name
12:52:56 <sbp> oh, great!
12:53:00 <kpreid> if I do that
12:53:11 <sbp> yeah, just pick random shit and don't fuss about it
12:53:19 <sbp> would be my advice, me being a hypocrite
12:53:20 <kpreid> [also means I can mint nice URIs and java package names...:)]
12:53:23 <sbp> I'm always fussing about domain names
12:53:25 <sbp> heh
12:53:42 <sbp> since you're American at least you don't have to worry about the .uk thing
12:54:03 <kpreid> http://b.us/ does not exist!
12:54:08 <sbp> hehe
12:54:18 <sbp> good luck registering that
12:54:28 <sbp> then again, some guy got http://dk/ didn't he?
12:54:29 <kpreid> anyway, coming up with something novel and nice is tricky
12:54:58 <sbp> ignore the nice, I say
12:55:05 <sbp> keep information out, make it random
12:55:11 <sbp> there's nothing wrong with dm93 or xkcd
12:55:13 <kpreid> by 'nice' I mean: will not feel embarrassing 15 yrs from now
12:55:23 <sbp> so what should be wrong with ne81 or nkfd?
12:55:31 <kpreid> eh
12:55:39 <kpreid> not very memorable
12:55:45 <sbp> you forget xkcd?
12:55:54 <sbp> seriously, if you pick something with information you will grow to hate it
12:56:05 <sbp> words weren't designed for domain names
12:56:05 *** Arnia_ (n=jgeldart@0-16-cb-bd-57-e.it.wlan.dur.ac.uk) has joined #swhack
12:56:08 <kpreid> that's a slightly different case from 'some guy's homepage'
12:56:10 <kpreid> point
12:56:14 <sbp> I really don't like "inamidst" anymore, even though I thought it was perfect
12:56:19 <sbp> it really should be perfect, but it's not
12:56:26 <kpreid> how do you feel about "infomesh"?
12:56:26 <sbp> no domain name that has information in it is perfect
12:56:37 <sbp> don't like that either, because it has the connotation of technology
12:56:51 <kpreid> .gc "connotation of technology"
12:56:52 <phenny> "connotation of technology": 29
12:56:53 <sbp> so if I want to publish historical stuff there, that doesn't work so well
12:56:54 <kpreid> .gc "denotation of technology"
12:56:55 <phenny> "denotation of technology": 0
12:56:56 <kpreid> .gc "annotation of technology"
12:56:58 <phenny> "annotation of technology": 1
12:57:05 <sbp> or art, or what have you. gardening tips. gardening + infomesh... it jars
12:57:11 <kpreid> hmm
12:57:13 <sbp> whereas gardening + ne81, or nkfd. that'd be fine
12:57:29 <realist> sbp: at least your domain isn't 11 characters long
12:57:33 <sbp> xover's domain is actually quite neat
12:57:53 <sbp> but I don't think it's lexicalisable enough
12:58:05 <sbp> swhack would work fine, I think. onomatopœia might be okay
12:58:15 <sbp> or just make words up. moufous.com
12:58:22 <sbp> crenible.org
12:58:30 <sbp> snupour.net
12:59:01 <sbp> realist: no, it's 12. isn't that worse?
13:00:02 <realist> "inamidst" is only 8
13:00:12 <realist> Wasn't including the TLD part
13:00:17 <sbp> oh, you mean sans extensíon
13:00:20 <sbp> aye
13:00:25 * realist nods
13:00:44 <realist> Mine's 11, sans TLD
13:07:32 *** Arnia_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
13:09:01 *** Arnia_ (n=jgeldart@0-16-cb-bd-57-e.it.wlan.dur.ac.uk) has joined #swhack
13:10:12 <Monty> expose :primary_theme, :as => :reference to reveal student thinking on how communication like this has an array of 10 years, so far?
13:11:00 *** Arnia has quit (Connection timed out)
13:12:53 <kpreid> aw, ren.net is a squatter
13:13:00 <sbp> heh
13:13:12 <sbp> and pla.net?
13:13:30 <kpreid> cryptic
13:13:56 <sbp> yeah, nice
13:14:09 <kpreid> oh, while we're talking, what do you recommend for hosting?
13:14:34 <sbp> I recommend bugging AaronSw and crschmidt. heh
13:14:42 <sbp> so basically, no idea
13:14:46 <sbp> never been an issue
13:14:56 *** MacTed (n=Thud@63.119.36.36) has joined #swhack
13:15:00 <kpreid> noted
13:15:14 <kpreid> otoh, you have this problem with swhack.com/logs/ :-)
13:15:24 <sbp> yeah, definitely. you get what you pay for
13:15:33 <sbp> you can't keep bugging them and such
13:15:38 <kpreid> otoh, I would prefer not to set up my own web server in excruciating detail
13:15:55 <sbp> but if your needs are humble, then all for the cools if friends are willing to be super awesome at you
13:16:05 <kpreid> I want a canned just-works package that I can fiddle with :)
13:16:17 <sbp> pair.net is very good, but very expensive
13:16:22 <sbp> WL uses them, never had any complaints
13:17:37 <sbp> sorry, pair.com
13:18:24 <sbp> 500 MB is only $9.95/month with them
13:18:28 <sbp> not too bad, actually
13:18:39 <sbp> .c (9.95 * 12) USD in GBP
13:18:40 <phenny> (9.95 * 12) * U.S. dollar = 81.9886012 British pounds
13:18:40 <Monty> "you"
13:18:47 <sbp> 80 quid a year? not too bad
13:19:56 <sbp> having said that, inamidst.com is at 672 MB now
13:20:08 <sbp> and it's not like I cram the kitchen sink on there
13:22:40 <sbp> kpreid: oh check this out: http://www.pairlite.com/
13:22:52 <sbp> hadn't seen that before. it's from pair, for people who know what they're doing
13:23:06 <sbp> and it's only $99/year, but you get 2GB space
13:23:30 <kpreid> "only"
13:23:33 <kpreid> grmbl
13:23:36 <sbp> domain name registration included
13:23:48 <sbp> though that's actually a bit of a shit
13:23:56 <sbp> don't really want your host registering your domain
13:23:59 <kpreid> I'm currently paying $100/year for MobileMe which gets me 20GB and hosting
13:24:08 <kpreid> the trouble is the hosting is under their choice of url, which is changing
13:24:12 <sbp> 20 GB? sheesh
13:24:36 <kpreid> I'd be perfectly willing to drop it except I get all my email through them *too*
13:24:55 <sbp> if you need more thn 672 MD ur doinitwrong
13:25:01 <sbp> oh dear
13:25:26 <kpreid> I'm currently using 667 MB.
13:25:36 <sbp> hehe, close
13:26:41 * sbp peeks at http://socghop.appspot.com/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/google/t124022446464
13:27:24 <sbp> what are the three kpreids? (the icons)
13:27:37 <sbp> looks like FileVault, something, and something
13:28:09 <kpreid> MobileMe volume
13:28:20 <kpreid> and generic network volume
13:28:49 <sbp> ah. nice use of Hoefler Text by the way
13:28:58 <sbp> don't even have to check what it is, instantly recognisable
13:29:14 <sbp> shame it's not available on winandlin too
13:29:25 <kpreid> it's my favorite sans-serif
13:29:33 <sbp> you're getting away with a quite tiny font size
13:29:36 <kpreid> errrrr...serif.
13:29:38 <sbp> ...heh
13:29:50 <sbp> your favourite, really?
13:29:55 <kpreid> yes
13:29:59 <sbp> or just favourite screen serif?
13:30:09 <kpreid> um...what else is there? :)
13:30:37 <sbp> back in the day we used to slap some ink on sheets of bleached wood pulp
13:31:00 <sbp> don't ask, it was kinda kooky
13:31:32 <kpreid> actually, I print stuff but only for other people
13:31:35 <kpreid> school, y'know
13:31:46 <sbp> college, yes
13:31:55 * sbp tries to think what his favourite serifs are
13:32:15 <kpreid> anyway, I, uh, should be doing some homework
13:32:26 <kpreid> thanks for the whatever
13:32:57 <sbp> * Adobe Garamond Pro
13:32:57 <sbp> * Galliard
13:32:57 <sbp> * Golden Cockerel
13:33:02 <sbp> you're welcome
13:33:33 <sbp> Adobe Garamond Pro because it's such an insanely standard body text, you couldn't really do without it. want to print something completely, completely formal? you've got your font
13:34:12 <sbp> Galliard because it's the Georgia of the body text fonts world. wonderfully stylish and yet very comprehensible and open, really looks like a decent typographical job
13:34:40 <sbp> and Golden Cockerel because it's genius. pure genius. I don't know how you're supposed to use it, or what it's supposed to do, or what the idea of the font is, but it's clearly absolutely genius
13:38:09 <_ulises> golden cockerel sounds kinky
13:40:36 <sbp> screen fonts, Century Catalogue is really attracting my admiration
13:41:18 <sbp> MgOpen Canonica is suprisingly good, too
13:42:27 <sbp> (Cardo would be good if it rendered properly)
13:49:44 *** xjrn has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
13:57:21 *** jeffarch has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
14:04:37 *** tav has quit ()
14:05:17 *** tav (n=tav@78.151.126.127) has joined #swhack
14:05:17 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's tav!
14:07:10 *** chris2 (n=chris@0015af75dd95.dfn.mwn.de) has joined #swhack
14:14:15 *** jeffarch (n=jeff@70-41-156-138.cust.wildblue.net) has joined #swhack
14:30:01 *** chris2 has quit (Client Quit)
14:42:46 *** nwalsh (n=ndw@96-32-124-29.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #swhack
14:50:41 *** sr_ (n=sr@193.152-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) has joined #swhack
14:50:41 <Monty> But what does sr_ have to do with the price of fish?
15:13:30 *** jetscreamer has quit ("http://hfds.com/")
15:17:05 *** leobard has quit ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org")
15:21:28 <[bjoern]> yo
15:27:40 <sbp> yo
15:30:32 *** jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@70-139-116-22.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #swhack
15:33:53 *** martianixor (n=martiani@unaffiliated/martiancode) has joined #swhack
15:35:05 <[bjoern]> what is nu, tell me at once.
15:36:38 <sbp> hmm, nothing much really
15:36:44 <sbp> had a chat about domain names with kpreid
15:37:14 <[bjoern]> excitement burst
15:40:49 *** jetscreamer has quit (Remote closed the connection)
15:43:09 <[bjoern]> .gc blogsturbation
15:43:10 <phenny> blogsturbation: 194
15:46:56 *** tobbez (i=tobbez@sagiri.wrya.net) has joined #swhack
15:51:28 *** scarless has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
15:51:28 *** procto has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
15:51:28 *** tro has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
15:53:59 *** procto (n=boo@logarchy.org) has joined #swhack
15:54:46 *** tro (i=trotek@k.thnx.org) has joined #swhack
15:56:36 *** scarless (n=cock@h75n3-um-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) has joined #swhack
15:58:34 <kpreid> nu ~= gnu
16:01:28 *** sr__ (n=sr@170.130-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) has joined #swhack
16:03:57 *** melbel (n=melbel@24-119-117-212.cpe.cableone.net) has joined #swhack
16:11:31 *** sr_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
16:12:46 *** skwerl has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
16:15:45 *** KiYanWang has quit ()
16:17:35 *** Arnia_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
16:37:56 *** lmorchard|away is now known as lmorchard
16:39:29 *** cre8radix (n=jamaerah@c-base/member/cre8radix) has joined #swhack
16:48:26 <sbp> [bjoern]: from nslater's secret channel of mystery which you'd presumably be entirely free to join if you didn't hate nslater's face:
16:48:27 <sbp> 17:47 <Monty> [bjoern]: http://dummiefunnies.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-do-you-free-obama-from-maria.html
16:48:29 <Monty> never been caught up in diesen Tagen befürchten.
16:48:33 <sbp> me neither
16:49:17 <[bjoern]> Yeah that really keeps me off of all the slaticious goodness.
16:49:38 <[bjoern]> Also, I think that was phenny, not Monty.
16:49:38 <Monty> You say you think that was phenny ?
16:49:58 <sbp> .g how to free obama from maria
16:49:58 <[bjoern]> Monty, no, I was typing that unto teh ephermal scroll.
16:49:59 <phenny> sbp: http://dummiefunnies.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-do-you-free-obama-from-maria.html
16:50:00 <Monty> Every single day, you drink desperate CD32!
16:50:05 <[bjoern]> I was like
16:50:07 <sbp> .g how to free obama from maria site:swhack.com
16:50:08 <phenny> sbp: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-11-25
16:50:10 <[bjoern]> .g run maria colbert youtube
16:50:11 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://dummiefunnies.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-do-you-free-obama-from-maria.html
16:50:43 <sbp> dumm iefun nies looks kinda German
16:50:55 <sbp> perhaps English is just German with the spaces in the wrong places
16:50:58 <sbp> (or vice versa)
16:51:21 <[bjoern]> And a couple of centuries of rape and incest.
16:51:42 <sbp> people don't think language is exciting
16:52:01 <sbp> they've obviously never been verbally incested
16:52:49 <[bjoern]> do you think twitter is about to change that?
16:53:03 <sbp> yes, after twitter people can't think at all
16:53:46 <sbp> you know what would be great?
16:53:53 <sbp> if someone was walking down the road
16:54:16 <sbp> and a mother steered her child away from him saying quietly, "don't look at that man honey, he uses Twitter"
16:55:55 <[bjoern]> how about her steering the man away for her tweeting child?
16:56:02 *** libby has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
16:56:25 <sbp> would probably be the more likely scenario, indeed
16:56:48 <sbp> did you see the thing about flying Air Force One really low over NYC with a fighter plane behind it?
16:57:28 <sbp> [[[
16:57:29 <sbp> New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he was "furious" about the incident, criticising those responsible for failing to warn the public.
16:57:29 <sbp> "The good news is it was nothing more than an inconsiderate, badly conceived and insensitive photo op with the taxpayers' money," said Mr Bloomberg.
16:57:35 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8021830.stm
16:57:51 *** libby (n=libby@94-169-110-24.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #swhack
16:58:53 <[bjoern]> If the swine^W mexican flu does not kill them all, suicidebama will.
16:59:07 <sbp> .gc "Mexican swine flu"
16:59:08 <phenny> "Mexican swine flu": 42,000
17:01:38 <sbp> .gc swuggle
17:01:39 <phenny> swuggle: 156
17:09:28 *** ephemerian has quit (Remote closed the connection)
17:18:09 *** Talliesin has quit ("Leaving.")
17:21:42 *** nwalsh_ (n=ndw@96-32-124-29.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #swhack
17:23:16 *** nwalsh has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
17:41:41 <sbp> [[[
17:41:42 <sbp> More than 3,000 people follow our Twitter feed, which is small compared to Ashton Kutcher (nearly 1.5m at the time of writing). But large compared, for instance, to David Lammy MP (just over 1,500 at time of writing). You can follow us on Twitter by clicking here.
17:41:48 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/magazinemonitor/2009/04/follow_the_magazine_elsewhere.shtml
17:43:57 <sbp> nsh: '"I take full responsibility for what happened. That's why the person who was responsible went immediately" - Gordon Brown gets a little mixed up over the 'smeargate' row.' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/magazinemonitor/2009/04/fridays_quote_of_the_day_59.shtml (cf. HIGNFY, where Frank Skinner called it his favourite Brown quote)
17:50:23 <sbp> [bjoern]: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01392/flu-immune-statue_1392572i.jpg
17:51:14 *** panni_ (n=hannes@77-21-94-72-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #swhack
17:51:58 <sbp> phenny: tell kpreid I quite like the fast section in Advance, and Thicket overall (especially that awesome little tempo change)
17:51:58 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when kpreid is around.
17:52:09 <kpreid> • <- round
17:52:10 <phenny> kpreid: 17:51Z <sbp> tell kpreid I quite like the fast section in Advance, and Thicket overall (especially that awesome little tempo change)
17:52:22 <kpreid> thanks
17:52:31 <kpreid> too bad I seem to have run out of ideas after that stuf
17:53:10 <sbp> hehe: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/picturesoftheday/5235014/Pictures-of-the-day-28-April-2009.html?image=22
17:53:17 <sbp> kpreid: yeah, you seemed to be going somewhere
17:53:45 <kpreid> you mean as in 'it should be longer' or 'you should keep doing these'?
17:54:19 <sbp> the latter
17:56:54 <[bjoern]> Mune and Masa usually are inside something, not the other way round
17:58:21 <[bjoern]> also, shame on whoever put those two pix together
17:59:17 <[bjoern]> .wik Carlos Slim
17:59:18 <phenny> "Carlos Slim Helu (born January 28, 1940) is a Mexican businessman and philanthropist largely focused on the telecommunications industry." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim
17:59:30 <[bjoern]> oh right, so not a porn star
17:59:44 <[bjoern]> .wik Masamune
17:59:45 <phenny> "Masamune (正宗 |?|), also known as Gorō Nyūdō Masamune (五郎入道正宗 |?|, Priest Gorō Masamune)[1]|, is widely recognized as Japan's greatest swordsmith." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masamune
18:01:24 <kpreid> sbp: relistening to those two, it seems to me that I have trouble with beginnings and endings
18:03:39 *** nslater has quit (Remote closed the connection)
18:03:46 <sbp> kpreid: some of them cut out as though you had still been working on them
18:03:49 *** nslater (n=nslater@tumbolia.org) has joined #swhack
18:03:56 * sbp finds out that Brown Eyed Handsome Man was a B-side; woah!
18:04:31 <[bjoern]> Oxymorons always go on the b-side.
18:05:00 <kpreid> blargh
18:05:04 * kpreid is not-working
18:07:55 <sbp> Doo Wop was pretty good
18:08:01 <sbp> I love how iTunes censors Wop to W*p
18:08:04 <sbp> major censorship fail
18:10:39 <[bjoern]> "All wffs of the form ((U|(V|W))|((Y|(Y|Y))|((X|V)|((U|X)|(U|X))))) are axioms." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_NAND
18:11:59 <sbp> .wik Illogical NAND
18:12:02 <phenny> "The Wikipedia disambiguation page for 'Frolov' does not indicate which, if any, of the Frolovs listed is the inventor of the Frolov Breathing apparatus (for which Google provides numerous entries, but nothing quickly seen that shows a first name or gives any [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Science/2008_November_25
18:12:36 <[bjoern]> Which is a great concern to all of us.
18:18:09 <sbp> hmm, Big Joe Turner did Honey Hush too
18:18:23 <sbp> did all great rock and roll songs come from Big Joe Turner? heh
18:20:57 <sbp> woah! Space Guitar was done in 1954?
18:22:18 <sbp> wow, Watson is miles ahead of anyone
18:22:39 <sbp> you have to wait for Link Wray for the next person to sound like that
18:24:52 <[bjoern]> internet-less rock meme propagation.
18:28:58 <sbp> heh, heh
18:33:00 <deltab> Watson the IBM Jeopardy player?
18:33:13 <[bjoern]> Sherlock was unavailable.
18:41:50 *** radii has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
18:42:58 <sbp> not that Watson
18:47:20 <deltab> Channel 4 News is covering the end of the Pontiac, model for Knight Rider's KITT
18:47:46 <sbp> oh yeah, that was on BBC News too
18:47:51 <sbp> but then Steve Berry was interviewed
18:47:55 <sbp> so I turned that off
18:47:57 <[bjoern]> They've switched to a ... well it's a multicar now really
18:48:52 <[bjoern]> (=> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KITT#KITT_.28Knight_Industries_Three_Thousand.29 )
18:49:33 <[bjoern]> .title http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0429493/
18:49:34 <phenny> [bjoern]: The A-Team (2010)
18:49:52 <sbp> oh dear, it's a Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 KR
18:50:00 <deltab> aww, KITT in British rain
18:50:14 <sbp> oh dear, it's voiced by Val Kilmer
18:50:34 <[bjoern]> females in the series no longer look like they've barely escaped the 70s.
18:50:50 <sbp> “Michael, please stop the rain Michael. You know that I rust quickly in the British rain, Michael.”
18:51:45 <[bjoern]> Hasselhoff's appearance is a mere "I'm your father!" "Yeah, whatever".
18:52:00 <sbp> he's very expensive now
18:52:11 <[bjoern]> expensive booze?
18:52:21 <sbp> he's gotta pay for it somehow
18:52:38 <[bjoern]> "On May 3, 2007, a home video surfaced of Hasselhoff apparently in mid-stupor. The video showed him shirtless, lying on the floor, drunkenly trying to consume a Wendy's hamburger in a Las Vegas hotel room. His daughter Taylor Ann, who shot the video, can be heard saying, "Tell me you are going to stop, tell me you are going to stop." The daughter also warned her father that he could be jeopardizing his spot in the Las Vegas produc
18:52:38 <[bjoern]> leaked video Hasselhoff issued a statement saying that it was filmed by Taylor Ann so that he could see how he behaved when intoxicated and was released deliberately.[31]"
18:52:45 <sbp> .img fake porn nostrils
18:52:46 <phenny> sbp: http://www.gramponante.com/GPImages/GPnewspix/orgysexparties1.jpg
18:52:46 *** xjrn (n=jim@m410436d0.tmodns.net) has joined #swhack
18:53:52 <sbp> .img Hasselhoff drunkenly trying to consume a Wendy's hamburger
18:53:53 <phenny> sbp: http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/DavidHasselhoff_20050926.jpg/260px-DavidHasselhoff_20050926.jpg
18:54:29 <[bjoern]> .g Hasselhoff hamburger
18:54:30 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x30kYRp6Y68
18:56:00 <sbp> he's eating the hamburger quite well
18:56:21 <sbp> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH3JAp7vMuo
18:56:22 <[bjoern]> i bet that comment is more funny than the vids.
18:56:22 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - David Hasselhoff Drunk Video (full 6-minute version)
18:56:40 <sbp> well it's going in his mouth
18:56:47 <sbp> he's not putting any in his eye or anything
18:57:28 <sbp> oh, a bit went up his nose there
18:57:31 <[bjoern]> Das Auge isst mit
18:57:34 <sbp> and the hamburger sorta exploded
18:57:48 <sbp> now he's trying to wipe his nose
18:58:16 <sbp> yeah, I think he's generally succeeding
18:58:25 <sbp> the huge majority of the hamburger is going in his mouth
18:59:04 <sbp> now it appears he's crying?
18:59:09 <sbp> did he not enjoy the hamburger?
18:59:17 <sbp> oh, no, he's okay
18:59:24 <[bjoern]> sad that he didnt eat it all
18:59:34 <sbp> some of the hamburger came out of his mouth and onto his trousers
18:59:43 <sbp> and he picked that piece off and threw it away at the plate
18:59:46 <[bjoern]> while still lying on the floor?
18:59:55 <cre8radix> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/rapidshare-hands-over-user-info-in-germany-users-panic.ars
19:00:04 <cre8radix> .title
19:00:05 <phenny> cre8radix: RapidShare hands over user info in Germany, users panic - Ars Technica
19:01:33 <sbp> he had to push a large bit in. it almost didn't go
19:01:41 <sbp> he's sitting up(ish) now
19:01:46 <sbp> drinking!
19:01:53 <sbp> through a straw. that worked okay
19:02:11 <sbp> more food
19:02:20 <sbp> Hungry Hungry Hoffo
19:02:26 <sbp> end video
19:03:31 <cre8radix> "There are, however, many differences between Last.fm and RapidShare. For one, if Last.fm were to find itself in the position RapidShare is in with GEMA, it would be able to argue that the Safe Harbor provision in the DMCA protects it from liability as long as it removes infringing content after being presented with a takedown notice. In Germany (and many other countries), there is no equivalent, meaning that RapidShare has little choice but t
19:04:16 <cre8radix> "RapidShare has had a more than a few tussles in the German courts as of late. In January of 2008, RapidShare found itself pitted against GEMA (the German version of the RIAA) arguing that it was not responsible for the content that users uploaded to the site."
19:04:18 <cre8radix> :D
19:04:24 <cre8radix> sry 4 spamming
19:04:34 <sbp> spamming?
19:04:43 <cre8radix> lotsa text
19:04:53 <sbp> that's more like yammering
19:04:54 <cre8radix> some irc'ers h8 it
19:05:04 <sbp> yeah, they can get bent
19:05:11 <cre8radix> :D
19:06:04 <cre8radix> "To utter or say in a complaining or clamorous tone."
19:06:09 <cre8radix> heh
19:06:10 <[bjoern]> Do it again and quote will paste you.
19:06:43 <cre8radix> <[bjoern]> "Do it again and quote will paste you."
19:06:54 <sbp> <cre8radix> <[bjoern]> "Do it again and quote will paste you."
19:07:06 *** lmorchard is now known as lmorchard|away
19:07:52 <[bjoern]> One of these nicks does not look like a rifle.
19:08:50 <cre8radix> one looks like a fish
19:08:57 <sbp> hmm, ascii rifles are hard. _/'=======?
19:09:21 <[bjoern]> Looks like something from a Schwarzenegger movie.
19:09:24 <cre8radix> .seen riotpeer
19:09:24 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen riotpeer around.
19:09:48 <sbp> so furchterregend
19:10:01 <cre8radix> :)
19:10:15 <sbp> []-*__=
19:10:15 <cre8radix> in der tat, mein freund, in der tat!
19:10:22 <sbp> (the duck is being inserted into the duckslot)
19:10:33 <sbp> semi-courtesy of nslater, who worked on an ascii duck some days ago
19:10:42 <cre8radix> hrhr
19:11:45 <[bjoern]> looks like helmet guy flying with a jetpack.
19:12:00 <sbp> you're looking at it upside-down
19:12:09 <sbp> reminds me, did you see .o flip?
19:12:14 <sbp> .o flip upside-down
19:12:15 <phenny> uʍop-ǝpısdn
19:12:43 <[bjoern]> was more phun with better font.
19:13:10 <sbp> ALLERDINGS!
19:13:20 <[bjoern]> you are slowly getting the hang of this.
19:13:32 <sbp> that might be my new favourite German word
19:18:45 <MoiraA> spb: you there?
19:19:07 <sbp> MoiraA: do you really want spb, or me?
19:20:51 *** radii (n=adi@zix.hexapodia.org) has joined #swhack
19:20:55 <sbp> hic hoc hac haec heec hockle
19:21:31 <[bjoern]> that's not a moon^W^Wlatin
19:21:42 <sbp> some of it is
19:21:49 <[bjoern]> some of everything is.
19:22:04 <sbp> even Latvian?
19:22:24 <[bjoern]> Obvious answer.
19:22:31 *** tav has quit ()
19:22:57 <sbp> "SHUT UP SBP SHUT UP SHUT UP YOU SUCK SHUT UP SBP"?
19:23:13 <sbp> or the other obvious answer, with more swearing?
19:23:41 <[bjoern]> uppercase it's more a gun than a rifle.
19:23:43 <sbp> someone should create a new brand of superswearing
19:23:50 *** MorbusIff (n=morbus@c-75-67-50-34.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined #swhack
19:23:56 <sbp> like Monty Python's funniest joke in the world
19:23:57 <Monty> Any reason
19:23:59 <sbp> only for swearing
19:23:59 <[bjoern]> supercombine superness with swearing symbols.
19:24:13 <sbp> Monty: yeah, because then you could swear like a fucking fucker
19:24:13 <Monty> screw you
19:24:16 <sbp> nu
19:24:24 <[bjoern]> You want to screw Monty?
19:24:26 <Monty> generate js in excruciating detail
19:24:33 <[bjoern]> That's harsh Monty.
19:24:34 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
19:24:40 <[bjoern]> Monty, it's raining.
19:24:40 <Monty> Watson
19:24:44 <[bjoern]> Monty, no.
19:24:44 <Monty> swuggle: 156
19:24:49 <sbp> swuggle
19:25:08 <sbp> do you pronounce that in your head the de way or the en way?
19:25:12 <[bjoern]> my swiggle swaggle?
19:25:30 <[bjoern]> more en than de
19:25:36 <[bjoern]> because it's very unde.
19:25:43 <sbp> troodatfoshez
19:26:01 <[bjoern]> That I pronounce not at all.
19:26:04 <sbp> heheh
19:26:11 <sbp> it's made to be snorted
19:26:15 <sbp> off a hooker's back
19:26:30 <sbp> like all nuwords
19:27:07 <[bjoern]> .gc "twitter my ass"
19:27:08 <phenny> "twitter my ass": 69
19:27:22 <sbp> .gs twitter my *
19:27:23 <phenny> twitter my *: yedda (4), clitter (3), buddies (3), arse (3), app (3)
19:27:25 <sbp> .gs twite my *
19:27:27 <phenny> twite my *: photos (2), daughter (2)
19:27:32 <sbp> twitter my clitter?
19:27:37 <sbp> .img twitter my clitter
19:27:37 <phenny> sbp: http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/clitter_1.jpg
19:28:32 <nslater> .img twitter my clit
19:28:33 <phenny> nslater: https://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_images/94488529/Jordan_Kingsley_Head_Shot_Small_bigger.jpg
19:28:57 <[bjoern]> hit by the curse of HD
19:29:51 <sbp> is there any way to farm twitter for money?
19:30:37 <sbp> combing posts for blackmailable data for example
19:30:49 <sbp> might be some way to automate that
19:31:09 <sbp> you could feed it into a giant blackmail machine
19:31:13 <sbp> lemme make a blueprint
19:31:17 <MoiraA> sbp it was spb I wanted
19:31:24 <MoiraA> I accidentally sent him a memo
19:31:25 <MoiraA> I think
19:31:30 <sbp> -[ BLACKMAIL MACHINE ]-==
19:31:30 <[bjoern]> blacktwitter victims.
19:31:33 <MoiraA> I just got a note to say he read it
19:31:34 <sbp> MoiraA: fine, I see how it is
19:31:42 <MoiraA> he seems more active in here than anywhere else
19:31:47 <MoiraA> hence asking
19:32:03 <sbp> no, that's all me
19:32:17 *** jeffarch has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
19:38:25 *** Morbus has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
19:42:34 *** jeffarch (n=jeff@70-41-156-138.cust.wildblue.net) has joined #swhack
19:43:52 <sbp> [[[
19:43:53 <sbp> 04.03.2009 :: Why Development has halted.
19:43:53 <sbp> Well development has halted and is slow as of late because networks have died. Kazaa or fasttrack is gone. Ares is dying and almost dead now. Gnutella is the only network that seems to work. It's not poisoned that is the reason.
19:44:03 <sbp> ts because these networks are indeed dead. There is a program called Sandvine right now used by ISP's to terminate unencrypted network traffic from Peer-to-peer applications. Any network not encrypted will basically be rendered useless with most of the network filled with half transfered files. Networks unaffected due to encryption protection on flow control are bittorrent, Gnutella, and Donkey. All other networks are largely termina
19:44:04 <sbp> ted.
19:44:10 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.gottsilla.net/
19:44:42 <sbp> .wik Sandvine
19:44:43 <phenny> "Sandvine Incorporated (TSX: SVC, AIM: SAND), is a networking equipment company based in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandvine
19:45:51 <sbp> man, the web is getting really nasty
19:46:15 <sbp> I remember when you just used to plop bytes into the tube in one country and they'd come out in another country
19:48:06 <sbp> the best p2p stuff was Audiogalaxy
19:48:51 <sbp> “In June 2008, CNET hailed Audiogalaxy as one of the greatest defunct websites in history.”
19:49:48 <[bjoern]> A honour we wish to bestow upon twitter, myspace, whatsitcalled, too.
19:49:57 <sbp> chuckle
19:50:04 <sbp> facebook
19:50:17 <sbp> slashdot too
19:50:43 <sbp> and google
19:51:33 <[bjoern]> But then who will maintain our medical records?
19:51:59 <sbp> whoever finds the disc of them on the train, in the uk at least
19:52:01 <[bjoern]> oh great
19:52:30 <[bjoern]> was getting my hair cut earlier, despite the rain, mainly because I needed to shop
19:52:41 <[bjoern]> turns out I forgot pretty much all the things I wanted to buy.
19:52:55 <sbp> must have been quite some haircut
19:53:07 <[bjoern]> I shopped before the cut.
19:53:17 <sbp> what made you forget, then?
19:53:19 <[bjoern]> most importantly I lack oil.
19:53:35 <sbp> oil can be found naturally in baby seals and sunflowers
19:53:40 <[bjoern]> Well I was kinda in a hurry, and it was cold and raining.
19:53:46 <sbp> every country is said to have either one or the other
19:54:09 <[bjoern]> You should not send babies to the seals.
19:54:15 <sbp> I see. so inamidst all the chaos of the cold and raining, you went shopping and forgot to do that relatively inessential part where you actually procure goods?
19:54:30 <sbp> why not?
19:54:40 <sbp> oh, because of the gold coins?
19:55:13 <sbp> http://www.partiallyclips.com/storage/20090421_GoblinAndBaby_lg.png
19:55:35 <[bjoern]> found a minuscule rest
19:55:42 <[bjoern]> and found out that it's raining a lot more now
19:56:18 <sbp> wear a regenschirmhut
19:57:27 <[bjoern]> there are electromagnetic anomalies outside too
19:57:50 <sbp> I still say that procuring the goods is the least important part of shopping
19:57:58 <sbp> you should just forget about it. you forgot about it before
19:58:01 <sbp> can't be so hard to do it again
19:58:33 <sbp> your problem is that you're plagued by memories of pre-haircut failure
19:58:42 <sbp> if you let it get to you, it could become a lasting scar!
19:58:48 <[bjoern]> I am quite aware that it's all about getting laid, thank you.
19:58:50 <sbp> just let it go, be one with the haircut
19:59:31 <sbp> deep down, getting laid is all about love
19:59:39 <sbp> and love, deep down, is all about getting laid
19:59:42 <sbp> so it balances out
20:00:42 *** lmorchard|away is now known as lmorchard
20:01:05 <sbp> on that note, I wonder what it's like to shag a muppet?
20:02:20 *** ephemerian (n=ijd@82-71-51-229.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) has joined #swhack
20:02:20 <Monty> lo ephemerian
20:04:16 <[bjoern]> in doubt there is always dünsten.
20:07:09 <sbp> that's Kirsten Dunst mushed together?
20:07:40 <[bjoern]> .wik Kirsten Dunst
20:07:41 <phenny> "Kirsten Caroline Dunst (born April 30, 1982) is an American actress and singer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsten_Dunst
20:08:26 <[bjoern]> Oh she was Hedril in STTNG
20:10:56 *** lmorchard is now known as lmorchard|away
20:13:50 *** chris2 (n=chris@dslb-094-216-195-154.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #swhack
20:14:45 *** chris2 has quit (Connection reset by peer)
20:15:02 *** chris2 (n=chris@dslb-094-216-195-154.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #swhack
20:16:54 *** martianixor has quit ("leaving")
20:19:52 <deltab> aforementioned Kirsten character: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:Hedril_as_Kestra.jpg
20:20:41 <[bjoern]> yeah she was annoying, in the middle of a roddenberry's wife episode.
20:22:34 <deltab> oh yeah, the one about the sister who died young
20:24:12 <deltab> reframing typo: “Sweden has chosen to ignore it while a challenge makes it sway through the EU court system.” — http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2009/04/second-swedish-ip-decides-to-nuke-ip-address-logs.ars
20:29:34 <deltab> ‹sbp› deep down, getting laid is all about love
20:29:34 <deltab> ‹sbp› and love, deep down, is all about getting laid
20:29:57 <deltab> recursively deep down? sounds like a bottomless pit
20:30:48 <[bjoern]> That is also where the g-spot can be found.
20:35:55 *** lmorchard|away is now known as lmorchard
20:40:30 <sbp> you've got to read between the lines
20:40:32 <sbp> much less noisy there
20:40:51 <[bjoern]> between the lines lies a scender nightmare.
20:41:04 <sbp> unless you use scenderless lines
20:47:07 *** panni_ has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
20:56:07 *** panni_ (n=hannes@77-21-94-72-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #swhack
20:58:22 *** xjrn has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
21:05:00 <[bjoern]> .c 8 - 4 + 8 - 4
21:05:01 <phenny> 8 - 4 + 8 - 4 = 8
21:06:40 *** xjrn (n=jim@m410436d0.tmodns.net) has joined #swhack
21:07:41 *** MacTed has quit ()
21:17:00 *** lmorchard is now known as lmorchard|away
21:18:45 <[bjoern]> .c -16 + 16 - 256 + 18*16 - 27*16
21:18:45 <phenny> (-16) + 16 - 256 + (18 * 16) - (27 * 16) = -400
21:21:19 *** nwalsh_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
21:28:30 <[bjoern]> .c 2i*2i*2i - 2i*2i + 4*2i - 4
21:28:31 <phenny> (2 * i * (2 * i) * (2 * i)) - ((2 * i) * (2 * i)) + (4 * (2 * i)) - 4 = 0
21:33:59 *** nwalsh_ (n=ndw@96-32-124-29.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #swhack
21:40:24 *** Talliesin (n=Talliesi@ip-89-234-81-71.dub-3rk.metro.digiweb.ie) has joined #swhack
21:40:32 *** sr__ has quit ("Lost terminal")
21:41:20 *** nwalsh_ has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")
21:42:28 *** xjrn has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
21:43:10 *** nwalsh (n=ndw@96-32-124-29.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #swhack
21:50:39 *** xjrn (n=jim@c-71-202-11-104.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #swhack
21:50:40 <Monty> it's xjrn!
22:05:26 <MoiraA> no sign of spb?
22:05:46 <[bjoern]> .seen spb
22:05:47 <phenny> [bjoern]: I last saw spb at 2009-04-27 12:50:16 UTC on #swhack
22:05:48 <[bjoern]> seen spb
22:05:48 <Monty> spb (i=stephen) was last seen by #swhack coming from freenode/developer/exherbo.spb on Mon Apr 27 13:48:31 BST 2009 saying: 94
22:11:36 *** cre8radix has quit ("your mama! >:)")
22:15:12 *** nwalsh has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")
22:22:26 *** lmorchard|away is now known as lmorchard
22:24:11 *** kpreid has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
22:29:08 *** lmorchard is now known as lmorchard|away
22:30:59 *** tav (n=tav@78.151.126.127) has joined #swhack
22:33:53 *** MorbusIff is now known as Morbus
22:34:49 *** Arnia (n=jgeldart@87-194-158-123.bethere.co.uk) has joined #swhack
22:35:32 *** lmorchard|away is now known as lmorchard
23:03:12 *** kpreid (n=kpreid@cpe-72-226-143-253.twcny.res.rr.com) has joined #swhack
23:10:08 *** Talliesin has quit ("Leaving.")
23:17:56 *** MorbusIff (n=morbus@c-75-67-50-34.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined #swhack
23:36:39 *** nwalsh (n=ndw@96-32-124-29.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #swhack
23:47:09 *** libby has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
23:49:23 *** MorbusIff has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/")
23:50:57 *** jeffarch has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
23:51:45 *** lmorchard is now known as lmorchard|away
23:53:46 *** jeffarch (n=jeff@70-41-156-138.cust.wildblue.net) has joined #swhack
