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08:35:44 <sbp> yo
08:35:52 <[bjoern]> lo
08:37:30 <_ulises> io
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08:44:15 <sbp> “There are two kinds of nonfiction: science writing and journalism.”
08:44:25 <sbp> — AaronSw, apparently going completely off his rocker
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08:45:45 <[bjoern]> Perhaps he meant to say "There are two kinds of nonfiction: good and bad." and then rephrased.
08:47:07 <sbp> http://23.media.tumblr.com/BhoDYmVvjn2y6v5kxAnXv4Pzo1_500.jpg
08:47:10 <sbp> SHIP AHOY!
08:47:14 <sbp> anandology: hello
08:47:17 <[bjoern]> scary
08:47:28 <anandology> sbp: hello
08:47:29 <[bjoern]> anandology: what is thy bidding?
08:47:31 <sbp> the kid on the far left especially
08:47:47 <[bjoern]> and the big female
08:48:45 <sbp> aaargh, xkcd. someone tell Randall his stories are terrible
08:49:01 <sbp> anandology: you were asked: what is thy bidding?
08:49:23 <sbp> 09:48 * [anandology] #swhack #openlibrary
08:49:31 <anandology> bidding?
08:49:31 <sbp> do you have an open library thought, for example?
08:49:35 <sbp> yeah, your bidding
08:49:40 <sbp> .w bidding
08:49:41 <phenny> bidding — verb: 1. Present participle of bid
08:49:48 <sbp> PRESENT PARTICIPLE OF BID
08:50:18 <anandology> bid what?
08:50:32 <[bjoern]> If you are more comfortable answering in german, leogoogle can help dolmetsch.
08:50:39 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8033440.stm
08:50:41 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Technology | US needs 'digital warfare force'
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08:51:23 <sbp> anandology: http://swhack.com/guide might explain
08:51:26 <sbp> but probably not
08:51:47 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8035114.stm
08:51:48 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
08:51:48 <anandology> sbp: I'm new here, curious to see whats going on here.
08:51:59 <_ulises> can i bid for the leftmost child?
08:52:01 <sbp> --
08:52:02 <sbp> He told his radio audience that he was intending to sue British Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, who he described as the "lunatic ... Home Secretary of England".
08:52:03 <sbp> --
08:52:14 <sbp> anandology: http://swhack.com/guide will explain what's going on here
08:52:16 <sbp> or maybe not
08:52:44 <[bjoern]> This is so They can explain how come, if there is a "US", we never see the nutheads coming over.
08:53:24 <sbp> ah!
08:54:19 <sbp> I'm mainly been using it to chuckle over how clear the government's interpretation of their hate laws is. so clear that they have to publish a list of people who break it. who then try to sue the government because the list is so bonkers
08:54:47 <sbp> good example of how to promote clarity of legal interpretation
08:56:01 <sbp> I'd really like to know who is actually responsible for compiling the list
08:56:12 <sbp> and, especially, how they went about it
08:56:31 <[bjoern]> The first row of today's xkcd isn't that bad actually.
08:56:58 <sbp> presumably, if they know how they actually put the list together, they could just explain to others how they did it rather than having to show us the list and work it out for ourselves and get sued in the process
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08:57:21 <[bjoern]> Jcqui_Smth: asl?
08:57:22 <Jcqui_Smth> I'm responsible for the list
08:57:34 <[bjoern]> Ah I see
08:57:40 <Jcqui_Smth> and I put whoever the f*ck I like on it.
08:57:41 <Monty2> nuare
08:57:47 <sbp> ahahaha
08:58:06 <Jcqui_Smth> and I know exactly who they are because I've told them they have to have an ID card
08:58:15 <Jcqui_Smth> and that fixes everything
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08:58:26 <sbp> so even non-Brits have to have an ID card now?
08:58:32 <Jcqui_Smth> you're next Dan Brickley
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08:58:50 <sbp> poor danbri
08:58:54 <sbp> he's always next
08:59:13 <[bjoern]> in an endless queue
08:59:51 <[bjoern]> I think we had id cards since the 20s or 30s.
08:59:56 <sbp> oh crap, we should have asked about the porn
09:00:00 <sbp> oh well
09:00:25 <[bjoern]> "It is compulsory for all German citizens age 16 or older to possess either a "Personalausweis" (identity card) or a passport but not to carry one."
09:00:45 <[bjoern]> that's not quite right. We merely take care of them, while they remain government property.
09:00:51 <sbp> oh, well that's not so bad. you can just buy a very expensive passport and forget which drawer you put them in
09:02:15 <sbp> er, put it in
09:02:15 <mmmmmrob> bjoern: and your police force aren't allowed to ask you for one either IIRC, like in France
09:02:15 <sbp> unless you have conglomerate passports
09:04:09 <[bjoern]> .wik Kennkarte
09:04:09 <phenny> "Kennkarte was the basic identification card in use during the Third Reich era, first introduced in July 1938." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennkarte
09:04:26 <[bjoern]> they surely can ask for one
09:04:37 <[bjoern]> but it's not required to immediately produce one.
09:07:56 <mmmmmrob> and what I said about France is non-sense - their scheme is voluntary
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10:33:03 *** [bjoern] changed the topic to: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice"
10:35:50 <[bjoern]> This is interestings
10:35:52 <[bjoern]> .wik Truppenführung
10:35:52 <phenny> "Truppenführung ('Unit Command') was a German Army field manual published in 2 parts as HeeresDienstVorschrift 300: Part 1, promulgated in 1933, and Part 2 in 1934." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truppenführung
10:35:52 <[bjoern]> -s
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12:04:59 <[bjoern]> .c 2^20
12:04:59 <phenny> 2^20 = 1 048 576
12:09:45 <sbp> .c 2 xor 20
12:09:45 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no result.
12:09:49 <sbp> NO?
12:10:28 <[bjoern]> stands for numerical object.
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12:11:49 <sbp> nu merical
12:12:54 <[bjoern]> What if al does not like to be mericd?
12:13:25 <[bjoern]> cool, heavy rain starting ~45 min prior to departure
12:13:43 <[bjoern]> what does that suggest, it will be over in time, or a lot worse when I go out?
12:14:04 <[bjoern]> Or will it be over when I go out, and restart immediately?
12:14:10 <[bjoern]> So many options.
12:14:18 <sbp> yeah. definitely something involving you getting tipped on
12:14:24 <sbp> because you seem to be a regenmagnet
12:14:46 <[bjoern]> I love rain, when it does not come with cold, or wind.
12:14:50 <sbp> you should rent yourself out to reservoirs in time of drought
12:15:31 <[bjoern]> I won't respond with something about me being hot.
12:16:18 <[bjoern]> .gc +aporkalypse
12:16:19 <phenny> +aporkalypse: 174,000
12:16:34 <sbp> .gc +acrocalypse
12:16:35 <phenny> +acrocalypse: 28
12:16:48 <sbp> .gc "Susanna Sample"
12:16:49 <phenny> "Susanna Sample": 10
12:16:55 <[bjoern]> .gc aphroclysm
12:16:55 <phenny> aphroclysm: 0
12:19:17 <[bjoern]> nusotd http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5444XQ20090505
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14:56:16 <jsled> "Does a prophecy that a black man would inhabit the White house "when pigs fly" tie the Obama presidency to the swine flu?" — http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/pigsfly.asp
15:02:14 <sbp> swine flew? what are you, the pink punster?
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15:04:11 <Arnia> I've heard that pun about ten times in the past week
15:07:13 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01396/obama-hiarcuts_1396599i.jpg
15:11:11 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01397/shower-curtain_1397398i.jpg
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16:08:08 <sbp> phenny: tell [bjoern] the picture is going to outdo any comment that I could possibly give: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01397/horse-dirndl_1397376i.jpg
16:08:09 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around.
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16:08:46 <[bjoern]> Does not compete with afghanistan's pig.
16:08:47 <phenny> [bjoern]: 16:08Z <sbp> tell [bjoern] the picture is going to outdo any comment that I could possibly give: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01397/horse-dirndl_1397376i.jpg
16:09:16 <[bjoern]> although they might just be dating.
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16:09:44 <sbp> Afghanistan's pig?
16:09:53 <[bjoern]> [14:19] <[bjoern]> nusotd http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5444XQ20090505
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16:13:20 <sbp> ah, yes
16:14:32 <sbp> that might be the most ridiculous article of the year, in fact
16:15:21 <[bjoern]> A challange!
16:16:38 <sbp> I'm surprised America has been outdone by their occupees
16:17:24 <[bjoern]> It's probably because american talk radio transcripts rarely make it to us.
16:17:50 <sbp> that would have been a good point before today
16:18:04 <sbp> since that radio guy is suing the British government
16:18:12 <sbp> so they have been spreading a bit of what he's been saying
16:18:23 <sbp> which is ironic since they're trying to stop that kind of thing
16:18:28 <sbp> Streisand effect
16:18:43 <[bjoern]> The Mr T Obama isn't bad
16:18:49 <[bjoern]> shower curtain almost good
16:18:53 <sbp> yeah
16:19:05 <sbp> if she was a little more bustier it would work perfectly
16:19:20 <sbp> my grammar was atrocious there
16:19:24 <bancus> Indeed.
16:19:31 <sbp> (if she were a little more busty...)
16:19:49 <[bjoern]> There is something wrong with here face too, or it's bad quality jpeg
16:19:56 <bancus> I actually read that with bustier-noun.
16:20:05 <sbp> heh
16:20:13 <sbp> if she were a bit more of a bustier
16:20:25 <bancus> And I thought maybe you thought she needed to show off more of her bustier?
16:21:38 <[bjoern]> .oO{ Buy Thomas Pynchon Shower Curtains! }
16:21:59 <sbp> chuckle
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16:25:00 <[bjoern]> Hmm seems like my prolog course is turning into a scheme course
16:25:23 <[bjoern]> Maybe I can use stuff from my previous scheme course...
16:26:28 <[bjoern]> ah yes ala http://www.websitedev.de/temp/4wins.txt
16:27:27 <sbp> so named because it spans four windows?
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16:27:34 <sbp> or because it is for eminent wins?
16:28:18 <[bjoern]> because that's a literal translation of Vier Gewinnt
16:28:19 <[bjoern]> .wik Connect Four
16:28:19 <phenny> "Connect Four (also known as Plot Four, Find Four, Four in a Row, and Four in a Line) is a two-player game in which the players take turns in dropping alternating colored discs into a seven-column, six-row vertically-suspended grid." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connect_Four
16:28:36 <sbp> oh, that
16:28:49 <sbp> I had a version of that called connect five
16:28:51 <[bjoern]> also http://www.websitedev.de/temp/springer.txt
16:28:53 <sbp> and it had sliding levers
16:28:56 <sbp> and I ruled at it
16:29:15 <[bjoern]> that also solves some gaming proplem
16:29:18 <[bjoern]> whoa
16:29:22 <[bjoern]> mine speling suggs
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16:29:49 <sbp> proplem is pretty good
16:29:53 <sbp> propitious lemma
16:29:55 <[bjoern]> apparently named "Knight's tour"
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16:30:03 <sbp> pro plem, before the plem
16:30:18 <[bjoern]> scarless, wat is thine bidding?
16:30:35 <[bjoern]> and, cock, wtf?
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16:31:22 <[bjoern]> scarless cock will be back.
16:31:22 <sbp> perhaps scarless is saying that his cock is scarless
16:31:43 <[bjoern]> I wonder if that is good, or bad.
16:33:20 <sbp> http://www.geekologie.com/2007/04/warning-sign.jpg
16:33:46 <[bjoern]> cars might repell your plane?
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16:36:10 <sbp> no, if you look closely
16:36:15 <sbp> the plane is clearly urinating on the car
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17:04:52 <[bjoern]> "I have just uploaded Embedded GLIBC (EGLIBC) into the archive (it is currently waiting in the NEW queue), which will soon replace the GNU C Library (GLIBC)." - http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47
17:04:53 <[bjoern]> .title
17:04:55 <phenny> [bjoern]: Aurelien’s weblog » Blog Archive » Debian is switching to EGLIBC
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17:06:12 <sbp> yeah, already seen that
17:06:22 <sbp> see also http://www.rojtberg.net/
17:06:46 <sbp> and the bug thread is hilarious
17:06:59 <[bjoern]> url
17:07:25 <sbp> http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980
17:07:40 <[bjoern]> I was just starting to read that
17:07:46 <[bjoern]> that's just one of many, though, no?
17:07:58 <sbp> that's the only one I know to be funny
17:08:02 <sbp> because it's the only one I've read
17:08:10 <[bjoern]> I see.
17:08:24 <sbp> if another is funny, please tell me
17:08:28 <sbp> and I will give you ㋡ in return
17:10:15 <[bjoern]> Seems I forgot the code for the other one, can only come up with 侣
17:10:20 <sbp> especially if one uses the word sputum
17:10:23 <[bjoern]> which is not too bad
17:10:26 <sbp> oh dear. telephone guy?
17:10:33 <sbp> or 咒?
17:10:38 <[bjoern]> I was thinking archer
17:10:41 <[bjoern]> oh you mean the symbol
17:10:49 <[bjoern]> Yeah 咒 is like it
17:10:52 <sbp> yeah
17:10:56 <[bjoern]> They come in a pair though right
17:11:03 <sbp> yeah, there's telephone guy
17:11:07 <sbp> he looks like a telephone guy
17:11:13 <sbp> especially one the yip yips might have ring at them
17:11:14 <[bjoern]> It's some weird move on the keypad, I could look it up...
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17:12:39 <sbp> .g site:swhack.com "telephone guy"
17:12:41 <phenny> sbp: http://swhack.com/logs/2008-01-09
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17:12:59 <[bjoern]> "Paid $1 via paypal. Please fix."
17:13:18 <sbp> .u 冗
17:13:18 <phenny> U+5197 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5197 (冗)
17:13:21 <sbp> heh, yeah, I liked that line
17:13:29 <sbp> they ramp it up after that too
17:13:34 <sbp> to ONE MEEEEEEELION DOLLAR!
17:14:15 <sbp> .gc "you bet your sweet bippy"
17:14:15 <phenny> "you bet your sweet bippy": 1,770
17:19:10 <[bjoern]> others not worth reading
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17:33:05 <sbp> 10:50:46 <sbp> that's not so bad... is it?
17:33:05 <sbp> 10:50:51 <_bjoern> damn ugly.
17:33:05 <sbp> 10:51:08 <sbp> uglier than the normal?
17:33:05 <sbp> 10:51:08 <_bjoern> no I take that back
17:33:06 <sbp> 10:51:24 <_bjoern> The word I was looking for was hideous.
17:33:46 <[bjoern]> he good with words.
17:46:11 <sbp> [bjoern]: QUESTION
17:46:18 <sbp> why doesn't <figure> in HTML 5 have a width attribute?
17:46:23 <sbp> u answer pls
17:46:55 <[bjoern]> I just got up preparing war on starvation
17:47:02 <[bjoern]> and you call me back for a HTML5 question?
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17:47:41 <[bjoern]> I have no idea GHTML even has a figure element
17:48:18 <sbp> see, it's a continual source of fascination over it's bizarreness
17:48:34 <[bjoern]> Last I checked tables also no longer had a width attribute either
17:48:52 <[bjoern]> This was explained to me as totally cool, because then validators would generate more error messages
17:50:14 <sbp> ah, cool
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17:53:46 <sbp> one of the higher results for HTML 5 figure:
17:53:47 <sbp> » XHTML 2.0 and HTML 5: The figures
17:53:47 <sbp> 14 Aug 2006 ... XHTML 2.0 and HTML 5: The figures. This post has been updated to take into account a mail from Björn Höhrmann with a heads-up about missing ...
17:53:47 <sbp> eric.van-der-vlist.com/blog/2006/08/14/2987_xhtml_20_and_html_5_the_ figures/ - 48k -
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17:54:55 <sbp> --
17:54:56 <sbp> The point I have found most surprising are his statistics: “XHTML 2 increases the element count by 50% compared to XHTML 1.0 Strict, and by 10% compared to HTML 2.0, HTML 3.2, HTML 4.01, and XHTML 1.1 combined, including the Frameset and Transitional variants.”
17:54:57 <sbp> --
17:55:39 <Monty> bah, it's radii again
17:55:40 <mzeltner> How would it be used though?
17:55:41 <Monty> welcome, tav
17:55:43 <Monty> bah, it's MoiraA again
17:55:51 <sbp> “PPS: I recommend reading Björn Höhrmann mails to the www-html@w3.org mailing list as a complement to this blog entry:”
17:56:00 <mzeltner> Monty is seeing ghosts come in
17:56:04 <Monty> u are discussing expectations now not back of key/value objects
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17:57:53 * jessica reads backscroll ... from yesterday, yeah ... and sees her name taken in vain by sbp.
17:58:11 <sbp> good times
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18:00:01 * jessica reads "Angry farewell notes from runaway dogs" http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2009/4/30donovan.html
18:00:13 <jessica> "If you two ever want to meet a potential bride, you need to spend a little less time lifting weights and antiquing together and a whole lot more time on your respective dating lives, OK?"
18:00:39 <sbp> why don't they just marry one another?
18:00:42 <sbp> whoever they are
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18:03:33 <jessica> ooh, the Internet is full of win today.
18:03:34 <jessica> Sometimes I think "who's gullible enough to fall for an internet scam?"
18:03:36 <jessica> Then I see long lines at the lottery machine, and the huge success of companies selling "detox foot pads" and "herbal weight loss supplements -- guaranteed to work" and I think "why am I going to work every day instead of finding a way to cash in on the stupid?"
18:03:49 <jessica> courtesy http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4371596
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18:05:40 <[bjoern]> so did the dishes, and decided to have pizza instead.
18:06:49 <[bjoern]> HTML 2.0 - XHTML 1.1 has a number of elements equal to traditional dalmatians count.
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18:12:11 <[bjoern]> Calling your company "SGMLWorks!" is ... an idea.
18:13:59 <[bjoern]> Tried to find out whether some particular W3C staff member is still with the W3C, but he's not on the list of current staff, nor the alumni list...
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18:24:30 <[bjoern]> this is great http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=1889#c3
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18:27:25 <[bjoern]> (Note that the document advanced to cr only this week)
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18:43:10 <sbp> chuckle, Michael Kay had to wade in
18:43:26 <sbp> --
18:43:27 <sbp> Michael, as the originator of the issue, please indicate your acquiescence
18:43:27 <sbp> in the resolution of the issue by changing the issue status to CLOSED
18:43:28 <sbp> --
18:43:33 <sbp> he didn't raise the issue though!
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18:44:02 <[bjoern]> I was looking at that as I was wondering what became of my complaint when they moved to last call in 2006 without addressing many issues.
18:44:18 <[bjoern]> they promised a proper response to my complaint, and I guess the actual issues aswell, several times.
18:44:23 <[bjoern]> Guess what happened!
18:44:39 <sbp> they sent a response to Michael Kay instead?
18:45:12 <[bjoern]> That's almost right
18:45:17 <[bjoern]> except for all the words after "they"
18:45:35 <sbp> was my punctuation right, at least?
18:46:32 <[bjoern]> If you had posted an empty document, properly punctuated, that would have been quite accurate and eloquent.
18:46:47 <sbp>
18:47:02 <sbp> (not empty, but that was a typo)
18:47:48 <[bjoern]> We should rename the char to "CARRIAGE! RETURN!"
18:51:02 <sbp> BY RETURN OF POST
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18:51:20 <[bjoern]> I REST MY CASE.
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19:55:03 <Monty2> hi enki
19:55:46 <enki> take me to your kittens
19:56:44 <kpreid> .g swhack kittens
19:56:45 <phenny> kpreid: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-10-12
19:56:57 <kpreid> .g swhack kittens filetype:jpg
19:56:58 <phenny> kpreid: No results found for 'swhack kittens filetype:jpg'.
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19:57:24 <kpreid> we have no kittens
20:02:29 * jessica is still grinning at the 12 Labours of Gay Hercules.
20:02:54 <jessica> http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2008/5/22rhode.html Come out to your loved ones in a way that is honest, unreserved, and will not kill your mother or emotionally cripple your father. Also, avoid the temptation to retort when Zeus says "Two? In my own family?" and shifts his eyes to Athena, goddess of wisdom.
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20:16:12 <sbp> jessica: ever read much of the non-Shakespearean Elizabethan and Jacobean dramatists?
20:16:52 <sbp> Kyd, Greene, Marlowe, Nashe, Dekker, Chapman, Munday, Jonson, Middleton, Massinger, Beaumont, Fletcher, et al.
20:17:15 * sbp wonders why he didn't include Marston... and Lyly
20:17:32 <sbp> and Milton, for that matter
20:19:00 <sbp> oh, and Chettle and Heywood
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20:20:16 <jessica> I've read a bit of Marlowe and a few excerpts from Ben Jonson, who is still standing up in his grave, but not the others.
20:20:44 <jessica> I'm a historian, not a thespian. Fiction is the encylopedia of society, but first I have to remember which excuse they were using to hate the French in any given year. ;)
20:21:15 <sbp> there are not many better portrayals of history, and creations of history, than those on the Elizabethan stage, surely?
20:21:35 <sbp> they may have had various excuses
20:21:43 <sbp> but at least they were half honest about them
20:21:57 <sbp> as Chesterton says, all historians are either liars, or half liars
20:23:21 <jessica> I prefer to be a full liar, but sbp, my work is more along the lines of comparing foreign land management. It's not the sort of thing that makes for riveting theatre.
20:23:36 <jessica> (Not even when they have that long to-do in V for Vendetta about tax records.)
20:23:48 <sbp> sounds riveting to me
20:24:08 <sbp> the enclosure rows in 17th century England for example...
20:24:18 <sbp> don't even have to go abroad, or even compare between countries
20:25:28 <sbp> anyway, I was just wondering if you had a common opinion
20:25:34 <sbp> I was reading Woolf on the Elizabethans
20:25:42 <sbp> and she's a refreshing change from the tone of, say, Eilot
20:26:05 <sbp> Eliot is great, but he does ponce around in a way that Woolf doesn't
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20:26:32 <jessica> If I want 17th century history, I'll read Samuel Pepys.
20:26:40 <sbp> not John Evelyn?
20:26:54 <jessica> God, what's that passage where his wife chases him around the room with a fireplace poker over one of his mistresses?
20:27:46 <sbp> well, most 17th century history is like that
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20:28:04 * MoiraA wonders why she was wanted
20:28:11 <jessica> The thing is, I really like diaries, and even better, letters. Fiction is valuable as it shows society's ambitions.
20:28:12 <MoiraA> oh, just Monty2
20:28:15 <Monty2> "they seemed to unlock the 1920s
20:28:26 <jessica> Letters and diaries talk about what's actually going on.
20:28:28 <MoiraA> in fact, Monty not Monty2
20:28:30 <Monty2> obese Hakkinen's sexual partners >:)
20:28:37 <sbp> jessica: like how Harvey told Aubrey that some of the men robbed on the battle field in the aftermath of Edgehill, the first main battle of the Civil War, were saved because the freezing conditions staunched their wounds. had they not been robbed, they would have died. as it is, they had to lie under corpses to keep warm
20:28:50 <sbp> John Evelyn's diary is a diary!
20:28:53 * jessica read Andersonville once.
20:29:08 <jessica> Remember Mr. Palmer, not only did I not finish secondary school, I also grew up in the Colonies.
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20:29:09 <sbp> or Lucy Hutchinson's biography and autobiography...
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20:30:28 <sbp> jessica: see, I like diaries and letters too
20:30:35 <sbp> but it's nice to have a range of stuff too
20:30:57 <sbp> Montaigne's or Plutarch's essays, they aren't exactly diaries or letters...
20:31:01 <sbp> but they have much the same qualities
20:31:08 <sbp> or what would you say about the Religio Medici?
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20:31:41 <sbp> so much exciting, perplexing, bizarre, careering, heartfelt, wonderful stuff
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20:33:09 <jessica> Plutarch is so damn stiff and moralising. I prefer Catullus. ;)
20:33:16 <jessica> Catullus totally made learning what Latin I did learn worthwhile.
20:33:34 <jessica> Because it's the *perfect* beginning-to-understand reading. But it's also about porn.
20:33:35 <sbp> Plutarch stiff?
20:33:38 <jessica> Really spices up those school days.
20:33:43 <sbp> not entirely sure you're reading the same man
20:33:46 <jessica> He wouldn't repeat as many *interesting* rumours.
20:34:06 <sbp> yes, Catullus is good... and he had a firm respect for Sappho
20:34:08 <sbp> which can only be good
20:34:18 <jessica> Suetonius. And Dio. Come on. I want the equivalent of The Daily Sun.
20:34:37 <jessica> Clio is very selective in what she leaves to those of us who take up the cause of history, sbp.
20:34:55 <jessica> She's not leaving enough of the Torygraph to make it make any sense.
20:35:03 <jessica> Think of how much of Plutarch's corpus is lost.
20:35:13 <sbp> think of how much of Sappho's is lost...
20:35:55 <jessica> I agree, and it's a pity. The fragments I've read are beautiful, even if I had to laboriously and painfully translate them.
20:36:09 <jessica> (I could have just looked it up, but that loses the point of the exercise.)
20:36:26 <sbp> if you'd looked them up you would've lost more than a half part of the beauty... :-)
20:36:57 <[bjoern]> You people are illuminating.
20:37:49 <jessica> My point is simple. By God, if Clio leaves something to us, have it be The Sun, fictitious as bit, libellous at worst, but by God, it's a lot more interesting than droning.
20:37:50 <[bjoern]> As in, it's all dark, and the white background of the channel window is lightening things up.
20:37:59 <sbp> yeah, sometimes it's nice to read something that wasn't by Reuters or Ian Hickson
20:38:11 <[bjoern]> sometimes?
20:38:16 <jessica> Now, if I had a choice, I'd choose for The Economist or The Christian Science Monitor -- dry sense of humour, accurate reporting, & c.
20:38:21 <sbp> for a change, on weekends or something
20:38:23 <jessica> But Clio is far more capricious.
20:38:31 <jessica> She must have been hanging with Discordia. Fnord.
20:38:50 <[bjoern]> She invented the clitoris.
20:39:13 <sbp> jessica: well you can have it both ways
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20:39:27 <sbp> not these days, of course
20:39:29 <jessica> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/912/did-renaldus-columbus-discover-the-clitoris-in-1559
20:39:32 <sbp> but oftentimes in the past
20:39:38 <jessica> "You haven't grasped the totality of this, Mark. Renaldus was born in 1516. Can you imagine a guy who proclaims to the world his discovery of the clitoris ... at age 43? Incidentally, he apparently died that same year. Too bad. They say his wife was about to broach the subject of foreplay."
20:40:32 <jessica> sbp: It's awfully hard to know what will and won't survive the ravages of history. You have the immense benefit of hindsight. Read the book reviews of "important significant works" from the 1920s sometime. You won't recognise even a third of the names.
20:40:48 <jessica> Whereas some of our most important literature was written by disavowed hacks.
20:41:07 <[bjoern]> I like the "known to male anatomists." bit
20:41:24 <jessica> Björn: Agreed. Women probably had found it a bit before that. ;)
20:41:32 <sbp> jessica: I regularly do
20:41:43 <jessica> Have you ever watched any of the joint HBO/BBC venture Rome, Bjoern?
20:41:47 <[bjoern]> I'm a bit of an anatomist myself.
20:41:58 * jessica grabs Bjoern to spam him with a lengthy quote.
20:42:04 <[bjoern]> Is that some documentary series?
20:42:22 <[bjoern]> If so, then I might have watched some episode.
20:42:30 <[bjoern]> If not, then I have no idea what you are talking about.
20:42:34 <sbp> and consistently throughout history there is plenty of Sun and Times and everything in-between preserved
20:42:59 <sbp> (old broadsheet Times; I don't count the tabloid Times as a newspaper)
20:43:03 <[bjoern]> .wik Daily Moon
20:43:04 <phenny> "Moon Mullins, created by Frank Willard, was a popular comic strip which had a long run as both a daily and Sunday strip from June 19, 1923 to 1991." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Mullins
20:44:13 <[bjoern]> The last paragraph of the renaldus bit is nice too
20:44:51 <sbp> I like how it rags on Freud
20:45:04 <[bjoern]> .title http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/06/bristol-palin-says-abstin_n_197597.html
20:45:05 <phenny> [bjoern]: Bristol Palin Pitches Abstinence On "Good Morning America," Levi Johnston Calls It "Not Realistic" (VIDEO)
20:46:14 <[bjoern]> "I just think that abstinence is the only way you can effectively, 100% foolproof way you can prevent pregnancy"
20:46:25 <sbp> ‘Asked how she squared her own experiences with her new campaign, she added, "I'm not quite sure[”]’
20:47:09 <sbp> America can't exist
20:47:12 <sbp> because if it did
20:47:17 <sbp> it would disappear in a cloud of irony
20:47:23 * jessica rolls eyes at sbp.
20:47:32 <jessica> There are those of us in the colonies, sir, who are nothing like them.
20:47:43 <sbp> yeah, I know that
20:47:48 <jessica> If you drive four hundred miles in your land, you end up in an ocean, yes?
20:47:48 <sbp> but it's *really peculiar*
20:47:56 <sbp> no, I end up in Scotland
20:48:04 <jessica> If you drive four hundred miles here, I end up, what, in Philadelphia?
20:48:13 <sbp> or Nova Scotia
20:48:15 <jessica> what's the length of Britain again? five hundred, six hundred miles?
20:48:20 <sbp> seven hundred
20:48:26 <bancus> Yes, abstinence is the only way you can do that. However, promoting only abstinence is fail. Case in point.
20:48:41 <jessica> Yeah, I'd end up in D.C. Which itself counts as entering a new dimension.
20:48:43 <[bjoern]> Don't tell Mary.
20:48:57 <bancus> Neither will I tell Frodo.
20:48:58 <sbp> jessica: now try measuring your country by accent variation
20:49:06 <sbp> you'll find it's slightly (but not much) smaller than ours
20:49:17 <jessica> A friend who was also a teen-aged mother activist had a midwife who told her to tell people, "The Virgin Mary was 13 years old and fuck you very much."
20:49:24 <sbp> repeat for other cultural spread indicators
20:49:34 <jessica> sbp: That's very ... unusual of an assertation.
20:49:47 <jessica> U.S. accents varied widely up until we had a national media and exposed ourselves to it 24:7.
20:50:05 * jessica still got mocked for talking funny in English *and* French.
20:50:08 * bancus can only barely tell the difference between someone from California and someone from Washington.
20:50:17 <bancus> Slightly more for same vs. Michigan.
20:50:20 <sbp> I've seen it written that this is only half of the story
20:50:28 <sbp> that the other half is due to the rapid spread
20:50:31 <bancus> Michigan accents sound slightly more nasal in the vowels.
20:50:35 <sbp> which seems obvious, really
20:50:38 <jessica> crschmidt and I found that our accents were nearly mutually incomprehensible back when we met.
20:50:42 <sbp> think of all the weird stuff going on in central Europe
20:50:45 <bancus> Which is something I associate with Wisconsic/Minnisota
20:50:54 <sbp> and the Swiss valleys
20:51:41 <jessica> sbp! that reminds me.
20:51:42 <[bjoern]> TEAL'C You have been impregnated without copulation.
20:51:42 <[bjoern]> VALA Yes, and I'm absolutely terrified. Have any of you ever heard of anything like it?
20:51:42 <[bjoern]> MITCHELL (after everyone pauses) Well, there's one.
20:51:42 <[bjoern]> TEAL'C Darth Vader.
20:51:42 <[bjoern]> VALA Really?
20:51:43 <[bjoern]> TEAL'C Hmm.
20:51:45 <[bjoern]> VALA How did that turn out?
20:51:47 <[bjoern]> MITCHELL Actually, I was thinking of King Arthur.
20:52:47 * jessica snerks.
20:52:53 <jessica> http://tinyurl.com/bostonaccent -- sbp, would you give me your assessment of that?
20:52:58 <jessica> and any non-native speakers of English.
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20:55:17 <[bjoern]> Do you need an assessment beyond "scary"?
20:55:45 * jessica shakes head. It's how we sound, although my diction has a fair number of pauses and is slightly longer on the vowels.
20:55:48 <sbp> jessica: sounds like someone at Harvard
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20:56:12 * jessica shrugs. I live less than a half-mile from the walls of Harvard, sir.
20:56:26 <jessica> It's interesting because Americans all reject it as "British".
20:56:32 <jessica> Brits, of course, all say, "It's American."
20:56:42 <sbp> which to me sounds like someone making a really, really, really pathetic attempt at an American trying to speak like someone at Oxbridge
20:56:45 <[bjoern]> Both because it's scary.
20:56:56 <sbp> could even be a Welshman trying it
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20:57:51 * jessica shrugs. can't help what you're born with.
20:58:13 <jessica> At least I didn't grow up speaking Cockney rhyming slang, which, as far as I can tell, exists solely so no one understands anything you're talking about.
20:58:19 <sbp> yeah, it'd probably sound fine to me if I were Bostonian of course
20:58:20 <[bjoern]> Actually I am fluent in any number of german dialects.
20:58:27 <sbp> completely transparent
20:58:39 <sbp> but, I ain't so it dun't
20:59:22 <sbp> most American accents annoy me, oddly
20:59:26 <sbp> I'd say a good 80%
20:59:33 <sbp> occasionally I find one that doesn't annoy me, though
20:59:40 <sbp> for example, d8uv. his accent just doesn't annoy me
20:59:42 <sbp> no idea why
20:59:59 <jessica> An Alaskan accent is, as I understand it, fairly, hmm, generic?
21:00:03 <sbp> I mean there's no phonological reason that I've been able to identify so far
21:00:06 <jessica> They have a fairly steady influx from the lower 48.
21:00:06 <sbp> yeah, it's pretty generic
21:00:20 <sbp> perhaps because it *is* so generic it doesn't annoy me
21:01:31 <sbp> jessica: got a voice recording of you online?
21:01:46 <sbp> (or do you just sound like the Harvard guy?)
21:01:51 <jessica> I'm pretty stuck. My father has a strong Down East accent (looking for a good sample that reflects his Maine upbringing) and my mother's Acadian French accent.
21:01:57 * jessica can make one pretty quickly, she'd think.
21:02:36 <jessica> Any particular piece you'd like me to read or speak?
21:03:09 <sbp> actually I've run out of time this evening
21:03:10 <[bjoern]> Something german.
21:03:13 <sbp> heh, heh
21:03:16 * jessica laughs.
21:03:24 <jessica> I'll record it, you can listen at your leisure.
21:03:31 <jessica> bjoern, happy to, but my German is *horrendous* when spoken.
21:03:33 <sbp> okers, thanks
21:03:35 <sbp> 'night!
21:03:40 <jessica> Any piece you'd suggest?
21:04:24 * jessica shrugs.
21:04:36 <[bjoern]> Here is what I suggest:
21:04:58 <[bjoern]> We make sbp come up with a coherent text including all his favourite german words.
21:05:17 <[bjoern]> We shall let you know when it is done.
21:05:18 <enki> rosenstrauss
21:05:26 <enki> kellerkind
21:06:29 <enki> and maybe some blitzkrieg for good measure
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21:20:29 * jessica snerks.
21:20:57 <jessica> I actually occupied myself for a bit. I tripped up a few times while reading it, but I chose Hamlet's soliloquy. It's actually kind of amazing how much accent drift I have courtesy crs.
21:21:09 <clsn> Spend an evening of family education with http://www.3dvulva.com/
21:21:38 * clsn has a pretty generic accent.
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21:34:37 * jessica finally gets the hang of Audacity, and decides to record something, but is not sure what.
21:34:53 <jessica> Ah. The 12 labours of gay Hercules.
21:36:33 <H0gan> Sing a song.
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22:15:32 <MoiraA> it's my paint brush!
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23:39:10 <maxkelley> ha!
23:39:30 <maxkelley> k, said something for one in the past year. see you guys one year later :)
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23:42:34 <nslater> loggy: pointer
23:42:34 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2009-05-06#T23-42-34
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