00:06:58 <maxkelley> :)
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01:45:37 <Monty2> yo nwalsh!
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04:45:41 <Monty2> Thank goodness, jeffarch is back!
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06:44:50 <procto> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
06:44:53 <procto> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
06:44:55 <procto> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
06:44:57 <procto> 3drealms shuts down
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07:15:18 <Monty2> yo clsn!
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07:34:54 <Monty2> howdy, [bjoern]
07:35:09 <[bjoern]> aloha Monty.
07:35:13 <Monty2> probability is 50/50 probability works on weekends or ~A
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07:36:37 <cre8radix> .seen enki
07:36:38 <phenny> cre8radix: I last saw enki at 2009-05-06 21:06:30 UTC on #swhack
07:36:59 <cre8radix> ahoi
07:37:47 <[bjoern]> sauerkraut sauerkraut sauerkraut.
07:38:27 <cre8radix> :D
07:38:33 <cre8radix> gm - track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXYRkp2HZto
07:40:07 <cre8radix> eisbein eisbein eisbein
07:40:32 <[bjoern]> im saumagen
07:41:00 <_ulises> ich bin berliner
07:41:16 <[bjoern]> condolences.
07:41:25 <_ulises> heh
07:41:44 <cre8radix> :D
07:41:58 <cre8radix> ick hätt jern eene tote oma
07:42:35 <cre8radix> .wik tote oma
07:42:37 <phenny> "Ghostclubbing is the first album by New Zealand band, Ghost Club released in 2001." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostclubbing
07:42:43 <cre8radix> heh
07:43:02 <[bjoern]> die im hühnerstall motorrad fährt?
07:45:10 <cre8radix> http://www.chefkoch.de/rezepte/790011182339242/Tote-Oma-Thueringer-Art.html
07:45:46 <[bjoern]> Das hat so gar nichts mit der Toten Tante zu tun.
07:52:17 <cre8radix> Tote Tante?
07:55:51 <[bjoern]> .g tote tante
07:55:52 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://reisebuch.de/reiseziele/deutschland/nordseeinseln/tote-tante.html
07:55:54 <[bjoern]> .title
07:55:58 <phenny> [bjoern]: Tote Tante, Heiße Tante, Lumumba, Kakao-Getränk - Pharisäer Kaffee mit Rum
07:56:54 <[bjoern]> .title http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/07/0146233
07:56:55 <phenny> [bjoern]: Slashdot | Duke Nukem For Never
08:01:37 <cre8radix> [bjoern]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAP9hC4GP_U
08:01:40 <cre8radix> funny!
08:02:14 <[bjoern]> she is a soviet spy from the 50s.
08:02:43 <[bjoern]> and the males are all retarded
08:03:17 <[bjoern]> especially the guy not clapping, and the guy not playing the sax
08:03:42 <[bjoern]> or whatever it is they are not doing
08:20:22 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-announce/2001/msg00000.html
08:20:22 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
08:27:25 <_ulises> what a dick
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09:09:59 <sbp> yo
09:10:00 <phenny> sbp: 08:20Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-announce/2001/msg00000.html
09:14:06 <sbp> summary: Drepper doesn't like Stallman very much
09:14:23 <_ulises> and he is a dick
09:16:06 <sbp> the Bristol Palin would make a good name for a '20s or '30s car or aeroplane
09:16:16 <sbp> "what do you drive?"
09:16:23 <sbp> "a 1935 Bristol Palin"
09:16:25 <sbp> "wow, nice!"
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09:37:34 <[bjoern]> So the online outlets of Rupert Murdoch are going to require you pay for access
09:37:37 <[bjoern]> good news, or bad?
10:14:37 <sbp> good news!
10:15:14 <[bjoern]> Would be great if that isn't just news sites but also myspace.
10:15:14 <sbp> <Smithers> It's a move which ensures a healthy mix of the rich and the ignorant, sir.
10:15:21 <sbp> heh, yeah
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11:38:40 <sbp> [bjoern]: storklets should have hatched by now, right?
11:38:58 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8036324.stm
11:39:00 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Wales | Missile data found on hard drives
11:39:06 <sbp> --
11:39:07 <sbp> Sensitive information for shooting down intercontinental missiles as well as bank details and NHS records was found on old computers, researchers say.
11:39:07 <sbp> Of 300 hard disks bought randomly at computer fairs and an online auction site, 34% still held personal data.
11:39:08 <sbp> --
11:40:40 <sbp> [[[
11:40:40 <sbp> Mr Bird, who is based at the department of zoology at Cambridge University, says: "I would rate corvids as being as intelligent as primates in many ways."
11:40:47 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8023295.stm
11:44:36 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8036396.stm
11:44:37 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Morbus is around.
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12:54:29 <[bjoern]> I do think they should have
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14:01:25 <sbp> .
14:01:30 <sbp> typo
14:02:17 <realist> Oops, you typed a period, instead of a decimal point!
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15:59:08 <cre8radix> re:zen
16:01:46 <clsn> phenny: tell sbp a travel necessity: http://reubenmiller.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341ca70953ef01156f73be42970c-800wi (via Michael Everson)
16:01:46 <phenny> clsn: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
16:02:06 <sbp> chuckle
16:02:42 <clsn> Ampersands always poke holes in my socks when I pack them.
16:02:49 <clsn> .gs hole in my *
16:02:50 <phenny> hole in my *: heart (59), soul (22), bucket (13), head (10), pocket (9), life (4)
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17:20:15 <cre8radix> [bjoern]: http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=strumpfhose&go=&form=QBLH&filt=all
17:20:33 <cre8radix> :D
17:20:46 <cre8radix> sbp: ^
17:20:57 <[bjoern]> yeah saw that already
17:21:12 <[bjoern]> .img strumpfhose
17:21:13 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://ssl.static-cache.de/pimgs/323/c4/323_c450544c.jpg
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17:27:11 <sbp> what's funny about the strumpfhose results?
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17:28:35 <cre8radix> obviously they have a weird idea of what's sexual...
17:28:50 * cre8radix wonders what they do in tights
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17:29:32 <sbp> who has a weird idea of what's sexual?
17:29:46 <cre8radix> the strumpfhosenindustrie should file a complaint
17:29:59 <sbp> I'm really lost here
17:30:05 <sbp> maybe I'm getting different results from you?
17:30:06 <[bjoern]> .leo Strumpfhose
17:30:07 <phenny> die Strumpfhose = tights especially, pair of tights especially, pantyhose also: panty hose, pantihose especially (Amer.; Aust.)
17:30:08 <phenny> fleischfarbene Strumpfhose = fleshings used with pl. verb (thea.)
17:30:09 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Strumpfhose
17:30:22 <sbp> I see a youtube video, a German Wikipedia entry...
17:30:40 <sbp> another youtube video, the flickr tag for strumpfhose
17:30:50 <[bjoern]> It says the term may lead to sexually explicit results and then shows none
17:30:51 <sbp> latex and fetish wear, a mail order thing...
17:31:04 <sbp> oh?
17:31:07 <sbp> doesn't show that for me
17:31:15 <[bjoern]> for us german people anyway it seems
17:31:24 <sbp> strange!
17:31:30 <sbp> for me it just shows the translation into English
17:31:32 <sbp> screenshot?
17:31:34 * sbp screenshots
17:31:42 <[bjoern]> a shot off!
17:32:47 <[bjoern]> http://imagebin.ca/view/YhvfsX6.html
17:32:50 <sbp> you'll win because ... right
17:32:55 <sbp> because I'm running pngout over mine
17:33:03 <sbp> which takes a gazillion years
17:33:10 <[bjoern]> I optipng -o7'd it
17:33:25 <sbp> damn you
17:33:34 <jsled> that is a crazy thing to do why would you do such a thing?
17:33:43 <[bjoern]> Also I used IECapt, after CutyCapt failed for some reason...
17:34:07 <sbp> a recent upload: http://imagebin.ca/view/8VNdcI.html
17:34:29 <cre8radix> 'tis sbp!
17:34:30 <[bjoern]> To be save from sbp boasting how he can make my images much smaller of course.
17:34:34 <cre8radix> dancin'
17:35:10 <sbp> (of course I'm going to try anyway. when mine's done)
17:35:23 <sbp> I've found pngout is better in like 98% of cases
17:35:33 <sbp> but obviously there are common ties too
17:35:39 <[bjoern]> Last we talked you recommended optipng!
17:35:51 <sbp> must have been before I found pngout then!
17:35:57 <sbp> pngout wipes the floor with optipng
17:36:10 <[bjoern]> Well we did talk about pngout I would think
17:36:10 <sbp> as I'm fairly sure I discussed here at length!
17:36:18 <[bjoern]> Not sure of which conclusions we drew though
17:36:21 <sbp> hmm
17:36:25 <[bjoern]> clearly I've not started using it
17:36:29 <[bjoern]> perhaps no win version?
17:36:32 <sbp> on mine:
17:36:32 <sbp> $ pngout strumpfhose.png
17:36:33 <sbp> In: 149326 bytes strumpfhose.png /c2 /f5
17:36:33 <sbp> Out: 109229 bytes strumpfhose.png /c2 /f5
17:36:33 <sbp> Chg: -40097 bytes ( 73% of original)
17:36:42 <sbp> might be, but I'd suspect you can cygwin it at least
17:36:47 <[bjoern]> also not free software
17:37:07 <[bjoern]> try on mine
17:37:17 <cre8radix> that's funny, too! http://bdaily.info/news/any-other-business/06-05-2009/shopper-asked-for-id-for-teaspoons/
17:37:23 <sbp> anyway: http://imagebin.ca/img/Lr6lcD8M.png
17:37:32 <sbp> [bjoern]: yup, trying yours
17:37:46 <sbp> it's fast when there's a lot of free memory
17:37:51 <sbp> and terribly slow otherwise
17:38:12 <[bjoern]> "Microsoft Translator" sounds like a threat
17:38:38 <[bjoern]> Certainly they using automated translations on their MSDN pages was one reason for me to disable Accept-Language in my browsers.
17:38:57 <sbp> aw, fail:
17:38:57 <sbp> $ pngout YhvfsX6.png
17:38:57 <sbp> In: 19453 bytes YhvfsX6.png /c2 /f0
17:38:57 <sbp> Out: 25557 bytes YhvfsX6.png /c2 /f5
17:38:57 <sbp> Unable to compress further
17:39:35 * sbp tries optipng -o8 on his
17:39:37 <[bjoern]> should, like, run both on browser cache some time or other
17:39:43 <[bjoern]> there is o8?
17:39:44 <sbp> yeah
17:39:53 <[bjoern]> You gave me -o7!
17:40:00 <[bjoern]> what's next, have me read the docs?
17:40:04 <sbp> hehe
17:40:27 <sbp> no you're right, 7 is the highest
17:40:30 <sbp> it took it anyway though
17:40:40 <sbp> wonder if it's a secret function. that'd be hilarious
17:40:53 <sbp> -o11
17:41:05 <sbp> well it worked on mine:
17:41:06 <sbp> Output IDAT size = 94233 bytes (14939 bytes decrease)
17:41:06 <sbp> Output file size = 94290 bytes (14939 bytes = 13.68% decrease)
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17:41:50 <[bjoern]> that's over pngout?
17:41:58 <sbp> yeah
17:42:12 <sbp> -o8 gives no improvement over yours; presume it just rounds it down to 7
17:42:13 <[bjoern]> So maybe you use it for being faster, not better?
17:42:26 <sbp> well maybe, but I thought I'd tested and found it better
17:42:41 <sbp> and having said that, -o7 seemed faster than pngout here
17:42:46 <[bjoern]> hehe
17:45:14 <sbp> okay, EXPERIMENT
17:45:20 <sbp> taking all the PNGs from my online images dir
17:45:24 <sbp> /stuff/images/
17:46:10 <sbp> pngouting
17:46:26 <sbp> this might take half an hour or something stupid
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18:06:35 <sbp> on Sir Justinian Isham:
18:06:36 <sbp> --
18:06:36 <sbp> Selecting parameters:
18:06:37 <sbp> zc = 9 zm = 8 zs = 0 f = 0 IDAT size = 19323
18:06:37 <sbp> YhvfsX6.png is already optimized.
18:06:39 <sbp> --
18:06:41 <sbp> okay, not that
18:06:48 <sbp> --
18:06:49 <sbp> The Rev. W. Betham, with that optimism which is characteristic of compilers of peerages, thinks "that he was esteemed one of the most accomplished persons of the time, being a gentleman, not only of fine learning, but famed for his piety and exemplary life." Dorothy thinks otherwise, and writes of him as "the vainest, impertinent, self-conceited, learned coxcomb that ever yet I saw." Peerages in Dorothy's style would perhaps be unpro
18:06:51 <sbp> fitable writing.
18:06:53 <sbp> --
18:07:37 <[bjoern]> For he did not optimize his pngs.
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18:21:14 <deltab> Channel 4 is showing how bees fly
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18:39:50 <sbp> [bjoern]: okay, 30 files
18:40:01 <[bjoern]> well that sure took long
18:40:01 <sbp> all optimised by pngout
18:40:09 <sbp> 23 could not be optimised further by optipng
18:40:14 <sbp> the 7 that could were improved as follows:
18:40:15 <sbp> Output file size = 2492 bytes (77 bytes = 3.00% decrease)
18:40:15 <sbp> Output file size = 77472 bytes (21907 bytes = 22.04% decrease)
18:40:15 <sbp> Output file size = 81271 bytes (17161 bytes = 17.43% decrease)
18:40:15 <sbp> Output file size = 54856 bytes (1700 bytes = 3.01% decrease)
18:40:15 <sbp> Output file size = 12814 bytes (2123 bytes = 14.21% decrease)
18:40:17 <sbp> Output file size = 46897 bytes (7534 bytes = 13.84% decrease)
18:40:19 <sbp> Output file size = 5268 bytes (787 bytes = 13.00% decrease)
18:40:21 <[bjoern]> .gc "my headphone is ringing"
18:40:23 <phenny> "my headphone is ringing": 0
18:40:42 <[bjoern]> now the optipng results
18:40:48 <sbp> .c (7 / 30) * 100
18:40:48 <phenny> (7 / 30) * 100 = 23.3333333
18:41:02 <sbp> so about a quarter of the time optipng can improve
18:41:15 <[bjoern]> Oh i see
18:41:30 <[bjoern]> I was gonna sayshame on your for putting up unoptimized pngs
18:41:35 <[bjoern]> but you tried, and just failed!
18:41:37 <sbp> heh, heh
18:41:46 <sbp> actually some weren't pngout optimised!
18:41:58 <[bjoern]> I saw that one coming
18:42:06 <[bjoern]> Right when
18:42:06 <[bjoern]> <sbp> all optimised by pngout
18:42:13 <[bjoern]> that made it pretty obvious
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18:42:56 <sbp> before: 895979 bytes
18:43:05 <sbp> after: 803924 bytes
18:43:07 <[bjoern]> so optipng > pngout we can conclude?
18:43:08 <sbp> (now optimised with both)
18:43:15 <sbp> not necessarily
18:43:32 <sbp> because it may be that those 23 times where it lost, pngout actually did better
18:43:35 <[bjoern]> well for this test set anyway...
18:43:39 <sbp> right
18:43:46 <sbp> so pngout actually might be much better
18:43:50 <sbp> would have to test the other way around
18:44:08 <sbp> or do a proper fileoff, even better
18:44:09 <[bjoern]> we should get one of these researching computer scientists to prove the exact bounds.
18:44:11 <sbp> yeah, I think I'll do that
18:44:12 <sbp> heh
18:44:31 <[bjoern]> And then patch both tools to completely mess up the results.
18:44:41 <sbp> wonder how many computer science researchers we have in Swhack
18:44:51 <sbp> we have at least one right now
18:45:45 <sbp> okay, I've started again running them separately now
18:45:49 <sbp> so we can do a proper faceoff
18:45:52 <sbp> kept the originals too
18:45:59 <sbp> then I'll make a table of some sort
18:46:02 <[bjoern]> Actually I think his psychiatrist made Monty quit that unhealthy habit.
18:46:05 <Monty2> 1785 html archive, i wonder how he doesn't work
18:46:30 <sbp> :-)
18:47:13 <[bjoern]> I like how http://www.google.com/search?q=psychiatrist offers the "US city or zip" prefilled extra search box
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18:48:02 <sbp> .img a psychiatrist doing some good work
18:48:03 <phenny> sbp: http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/pcn_britney_sons_070918_ms.jpg
18:48:24 <[bjoern]> .gc Looking for mental problems implies usianity
18:48:24 <phenny> Looking for mental problems implies usianity: 0
18:48:26 <sbp> I still say a Bristol Palin would be a good old fashioned car name
18:48:39 <[bjoern]> You did say that before, yes.
18:49:43 <deltab> “A psychiatrist (also archaically called an alienist)”
18:49:55 <sbp> .img alienist
18:49:56 <phenny> sbp: http://davidnessle.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/alienist-1.jpg
18:50:25 <[bjoern]> Hint: read the final pages first.
18:51:20 <[bjoern]> other results are great too, looking just at titles and urls
18:51:25 <[bjoern]> like, kidshealth.org/kid/feeling/emotion/going_to_therapist.html
18:52:01 <deltab> hooray for underscores
18:52:01 <Monty2> Selecting parameters:
18:52:08 <[bjoern]> "When people have troubles with their emotions, their feelings, or the way they act, sometimes they see a psychologist (say: suh-kah-loh-jist), psychiatrist (say: suh-kye-uh-trist), or therapist."
18:52:47 <[bjoern]> "Sometimes kids can be the victims of abuse, and some kids your age can even have problems eating."
18:53:35 <sbp> <Psychology> So, Jimmy, do you know who I am?
18:53:56 <sbp> <LittleJimmy> Yes! Mummy says to say you're a suhkahlohjist.
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18:54:13 <sbp> <Psychologist> I see. [scribbles down: classic abuse case]
18:54:25 <[bjoern]> So kpreid, what are you compensating for?
18:54:29 <sbp> (*<Psychologist> for that first line, obviously)
18:54:42 <[bjoern]> I found it funnier with Psychology.
18:54:56 <sbp> did contemplate that
18:55:07 <[bjoern]> afterwards.
18:55:13 <sbp> yes...
18:55:37 <[bjoern]> "Psychiatrists diagnose, treat and try to prevent human mental, emotional and behavioural disorders."
18:55:45 <[bjoern]> Or advise the military how to cause them?
18:55:50 <[bjoern]> Just saying...
18:56:11 <sbp> you were in the military for a while, right?
18:56:44 * sbp understands a lot more now
18:56:46 <[bjoern]> Like Snoopy in the German Luftwaffe.
18:56:53 <sbp> ehhe
18:56:58 <sbp> oh, optipng finished
18:57:01 <sbp> pngout is still going
18:57:12 <sbp> pngout is about half way through, in fact
18:57:15 <sbp> perhaps not even that far
18:57:16 <[bjoern]> There is a joke in there, but much effort it would require to translate it.
18:57:33 <[bjoern]> You just go on there pinging while I listen to Battle 2.mp3
18:57:49 <sbp> yes, yes, Luft means Dog and waffe means Likes to Pretend to be the Red Baron, I know...
18:58:00 <[bjoern]> no you got that all wrong
18:58:15 <[bjoern]> Odd as it may sound, but
18:58:21 <[bjoern]> it's not snoopy related.
18:58:41 <sbp> well, Pretend to Fight the Red Baron would be more accurate
18:58:52 <sbp> though I expect in Germany the cartoon is altered
18:59:09 <[bjoern]> I shall secretly come up with a translation at some random point in time, and then confront it when you are expecting it second-to-least.
18:59:17 <sbp> kk!
18:59:22 <sbp> I'll try not to expect expecting it
18:59:41 <[bjoern]> Well
18:59:51 <[bjoern]> It never occured to me he would fight the red baron, I don't think
19:00:23 <sbp> some band even wrote a song about it, apparently
19:00:58 <[bjoern]> I don't like it when bands write songs about things not occuring to me.
19:01:17 <sbp> yeah, sux
19:01:20 <sbp> Wikipedia:
19:01:22 <sbp> [[[
19:01:23 <sbp> One of Snoopy's most famous alter-egos is as the World War I Flying Ace (first appearance, October 10, 1965), often seen battling his arch-enemy, Manfred von Richthofen (the Red Baron). For this, he would climb to the top of his doghouse, don goggles and a scarf (trailing behind in the "wind"), and thus fly his Sopwith Camel (the type of plane flown by Arthur "Roy" Brown, who was credited with shooting down the Red Baron in World War
19:01:23 <sbp> I, and whose surname matches that of Snoopy's owner) and travel all the way back to July 27, 1914 the day World War I began.
19:01:25 <sbp> ]]] - wp:Snoopy
19:02:08 <[bjoern]> I saw a statue of him just last year I think
19:02:49 <sbp> Snoopy? or Arthur "Roy" Brown?
19:03:05 <[bjoern]> Yes.
19:03:26 <[bjoern]> Though it may also have been Zeppelin...
19:03:53 <[bjoern]> If they'd just number people like the RFC series, I am sure I could recall more easily.
19:04:01 <sbp> apparently the Countess von Zeppelin went to an early Led Zeppelin show
19:04:17 <sbp> and she was all cool with it and hoping to meet the band and give them her support and so on
19:04:27 <[bjoern]> You should switch to Gräfin.
19:04:37 <sbp> but then she saw a giant backdrop of the Hindenburg going down, which Zeppelin had used for their first album cover
19:04:45 <sbp> and apparently went completely mental at them
19:04:50 <[bjoern]> You miss out on the count von count thing, but it's great other than that.
19:05:08 <sbp> what'sthatnow?
19:05:15 <sbp> .leo count
19:05:17 <phenny> count (law) = der Anklagepunkt, Punkt der Klagebegründung
19:05:18 <phenny> count = die Auszählung, der Graf, der Zählerstand, der Zählimpuls, der Zählimpuls
19:05:19 <phenny> count-up counter = der Vorwärtszähler
19:05:20 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=count
19:05:30 <sbp> oh, Graf! ha
19:05:51 <sbp> wait
19:05:57 <[bjoern]> no I won't.
19:05:57 <sbp> so Steffi Graf is Stephie Count?
19:06:10 <sbp> ah, pngout finished
19:06:13 <sbp> now to tabulate the results!
19:06:15 <sbp> into a nice table
19:06:22 <[bjoern]> phenny, "Steffi Graf"?
19:06:23 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Steffi Graf" (de to en, translate.google.com)
19:06:31 <[bjoern]> phenny, en de "Steffi Count"?
19:06:32 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Steffi Graf" (en to de, translate.google.com)
19:06:50 <[bjoern]> Google is not bijective, but agrees, in a way.
19:07:40 <[bjoern]> .gc "melodies of death"
19:07:41 <phenny> "melodies of death": 81
19:07:54 <[bjoern]> .gc "melodies of sexual inhibitions"
19:07:56 <phenny> "melodies of sexual inhibitions": 0
19:08:17 <[bjoern]> I am unclear as to whether death is a sexual inhibition.
19:08:31 <[bjoern]> (not considering the living, there it's clear.)
19:08:40 <[bjoern]> (that it is not)
19:09:10 <[bjoern]> slowly moving into the top five on google for various utf-8 queries
19:09:24 <[bjoern]> should be twice in the top ten for, say, utf-8 decoder, atm
19:09:35 <[bjoern]> but then our googlings are not very compatible...
19:09:48 <[bjoern]> phenny, "tabula rasa"?
19:09:49 <phenny> [bjoern]: "tabula rasa" (sv to en, translate.google.com)
19:10:55 <[bjoern]> "Part of a series on John Locke" - I think you can recruit him on Colonization
19:11:07 <sbp> good plan
19:11:32 <[bjoern]> Do not suggest lightly that I might have plan.
19:13:47 <[bjoern]> Oh you recall us talking about this months ago http://www.w3.org/News/2009#item73
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19:15:48 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "pngout vs. optipng: THE SHOWDOWN" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/79848
19:16:16 <sbp> talking about the XHTML suite: yup!
19:16:22 <[bjoern]> bitchslap them into merging
19:16:35 <sbp> also note that something must have gone wrong somewhere with my counting
19:17:00 <[bjoern]> I've developed several ideas how to deal with this. now need to decide which, if any, of the plans should commence.
19:17:04 <sbp> oh, it's this one:
19:17:04 <sbp> Output file size = 5268 bytes (787 bytes = 13.00% decrease)
19:17:09 <sbp> the first time I ran it, optipng won
19:17:12 <sbp> and now pngout wins
19:17:14 <sbp> very strange
19:19:27 <sbp> ooh, I'll bet optipng only wins on that one when pngout has worked on it first!
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19:21:39 <[bjoern]> Always root for maximum irony.
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19:22:06 <sbp> 9123 test.png
19:22:06 <sbp> 6055 pngout-only.png
19:22:06 <sbp> 9123 optipng-only.png
19:22:06 <sbp> 5268 pngout-then-optipng.png
19:22:06 <sbp> 6055 optipng-then-pngout.png
19:22:54 <sbp> so there we have it
19:23:01 <sbp> two points:
19:23:26 <sbp> * pngout is more effective than optipng in more than double the cases of the reverse
19:23:39 <sbp> * for best results, perhaps using pngout and optipng in conjunction, in that order
19:23:50 <sbp> *perhaps use
19:24:08 <sbp> or *perhaps be usking
19:24:14 <sbp> er, **usink
19:25:20 <sbp> you could probably write a good novel using layered *-corrections
19:27:00 <sbp> “W3C Invites Implementations of W3C XML Schema Definition Language (XSD) 1.1”
19:27:23 <[bjoern]> we talked about that too...
19:27:28 * [bjoern] 'll be back in a while
19:28:19 <sbp> note that all of the optipng vs. pngout draws, by the way, were where neither of them could improve on the output: possibly if the output had been cruder pngout would have won more
19:28:30 <sbp> (it's possible that many of these are ones I had already run pngout over)
19:29:56 <sbp> --
19:29:57 <sbp> Snoopy "understands a little French and Serbo-Croatian."
19:29:58 <sbp> --
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20:04:43 <[bjoern]> You may rejoice now
20:05:04 <[bjoern]> Hey that wasn't too bad a time, considering I circled pretty much the whole city.
20:06:44 <sbp> oh yeah? how many times did you cross the river?
20:07:00 <[bjoern]> twice, using different bridges
20:07:26 <[bjoern]> one of which is the Jerusalem bridge (which goes only half way over, the other half is the peace bridge)
20:07:30 <sbp> which was the better bridge, the north or south?
20:07:30 <[bjoern]> odd combination if you ask me
20:07:33 <sbp> chuckle
20:08:16 <[bjoern]> well the south bridge is pretty steep in a curve, while the north one is steep exactly along the river, then pretty much flat all the way to my university.
20:08:37 <[bjoern]> in fact, it's so steep I usually drive along the river, and then carry the bike up the stairs
20:09:17 <[bjoern]> so basically, leaving I prefer the north one, coming home the south one
20:09:32 <sbp> so you went anti-clockwise?
20:10:28 <[bjoern]> I went S N NW W E S pretty much
20:10:44 <sbp> that's more of a splodge than a circle
20:11:05 <[bjoern]> you can encircle the splodge as an approximation,
20:11:26 <sbp> you should have taken a GPS unit with you
20:11:34 <sbp> and done street scribbles like some mad people do
20:12:44 <[bjoern]> earlier today I exchanged three empty bottles for a role and a bottle of water
20:12:54 <sbp> a role?
20:12:58 <[bjoern]> When I can exchange three empty bottles for a gps unit, let me know
20:12:59 <[bjoern]> roll
20:13:10 <[bjoern]> like, minibread.
20:13:18 <sbp> well obviously just keep bartering for better things
20:13:26 <sbp> three empty bottles for a roll and a bottle of water
20:13:35 <sbp> a roll and a bottle of water for a packet of condoms and two duck eggs
20:13:53 <sbp> a packet of condoms and two duck eggs for a broken trampoline and a post of David Beckham
20:14:03 <[bjoern]> Those condoms I would trade for sure, rather than use myself.
20:14:18 <sbp> a broken trampoline and a poster of David Beckham for a packet of Twiglets and a Labour manifesto pamphlet from 1998
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20:14:32 <[bjoern]> I don't think you understand well the economics of broken trampolines.
20:14:43 <sbp> a packet of Twiglets and a Labour manifesto pamphlet from 1998 for a watering can which leaks quite badly and a radon detector
20:15:06 <[bjoern]> that's more realistic
20:15:28 <sbp> a watering can which leaks quite badly and a radon detector for a small Vespa with inexplicable tomato ketchup on the seat and an old box of Lux detergent
20:16:09 <sbp> a small Vespa with inexplicable tomato ketchup on the seat and an old box of Lux detergent for a night out with the Tory Health Secretary at the London restaurant of your choice and a Tampon factory in Northamptonshire
20:16:52 <sbp> a night out with the Tory Health Secretary at the London restaurant of your choice and a Tampon factory in Northamptonshire for a Cessna C-680 without any wings and a small can of suntan lotion for pigs (SPF 15)
20:17:15 <sbp> and a Cessna C-680 without any wings and a small can of suntan lotion for pigs (SPF 15) for a GPS unit without any batteries
20:17:19 <[bjoern]> that's sun protection factor I suppose?
20:17:25 <sbp> you'd have to barter something for the batteries
20:17:25 <sbp> yeah
20:17:33 <[bjoern]> Wouldn't the cessna have gps already?
20:17:42 <sbp> nope, the GPS was in the wings
20:18:08 <[bjoern]> unless the cessna was miconstructed
20:18:16 <[bjoern]> which would explain the wing loss
20:18:40 <sbp> maybe they fell off because they stuffed too many GPS units in there
20:21:07 <sbp> .leo Strichmännchen
20:21:08 <phenny> das Strichmännchen = stickman, stick-figure
20:21:09 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Strichm%C3%A4nnchen
20:21:31 <[bjoern]> in my web server programming tutorial the tutor suggested we can use our favourite browser to test our server
20:21:46 <sbp> did you use LWP?
20:21:48 <[bjoern]> i then had to point out that IE6 is not installed on the linux machines we are to use
20:21:52 <sbp> heh, heh
20:22:15 <[bjoern]> in my haskell/java one the tutor asked me what "continue" does in a for loop
20:22:26 <sbp> "Viola doesn't compile very well on these machines" would've been good too
20:22:33 <sbp> though actually it might work
20:23:24 <sbp> and what did you say?
20:23:50 <[bjoern]> I switched into friendly usenet mode and explained it properly
20:24:02 <sbp> did he flame you?
20:24:27 <[bjoern]> Well, I had to present my solution
20:24:47 <[bjoern]> Though that was mostly because I was the only one to submit a solution that actually worked.
20:25:34 <sbp> oh, one of those moments. yeah
20:25:55 <sbp> one I'd not been to any lectures for some course
20:26:04 <sbp> and we had to do exercises, so I did them in advance
20:26:27 <sbp> like the course literature said. but apparently people who'd been to the lectures had learned that you could be lazy on this course, so none of them did it until they turned up at the seminar
20:26:37 <sbp> I'd put all my results online
20:26:51 <sbp> so I asked the guy taking the seminar if I could use his computer to just show them and then go
20:26:56 <sbp> so he's like sure, and I get them up
20:27:01 <sbp> and he turns and goes
20:27:09 <sbp> "AAAAAAAAAARGHHH! STOP IT! TAKE IT OFF TAKE IT OFF!"
20:27:18 <sbp> and I'm like "whatpls? u calm down and u make sense pls"
20:27:30 <sbp> the computer, it turns out, was being projected onto the wall at the front of the class
20:27:42 <sbp> "YOU'RE SHOWING THE ANSWERS! YOU'RE SHOWING THEM ALL THE ANSWERS!!"
20:27:48 <sbp> I'm like heh, well I did ask...
20:28:26 <[bjoern]> kinda reminds me of my "compsci" course back in 11th grade or something
20:29:11 <[bjoern]> first lesson we were told we had to program some math program in "comal"
20:29:23 <sbp> sounds exciting!
20:29:23 <[bjoern]> some ui, solve quadratic equations and stuff
20:29:30 <[bjoern]> with menus and schnizzle
20:29:38 <sbp> .wik comal
20:29:38 <phenny> "COMAL, a computer programming language" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comal
20:29:58 <[bjoern]> went home and wasn't quite sure whether this was the project for the whole year, or just for next week
20:30:07 <sbp> hehe
20:30:12 <[bjoern]> so I coded it up in comal and c++ (windows app)
20:30:23 <[bjoern]> so next lesson I noted I was done
20:30:30 <sbp> did you consult the COMAL 80 PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE REPORT?
20:30:33 <[bjoern]> and got told, of course, this was meant for the whole year
20:30:38 <sbp> awesome
20:30:39 <[bjoern]> no i did not
20:30:54 <[bjoern]> so got to present some of my program(s)
20:31:05 <[bjoern]> well and that's pretty much all I remember
20:31:13 <[bjoern]> except I added one feature to the comal version
20:31:17 <sbp> sounds like you're always getting to present stuff as punishments
20:31:29 <[bjoern]> in the program's intro screen I added some pallette animation
20:31:47 <[bjoern]> (change colors in the color table so colors change and stuff)
20:31:50 <sbp> of planes urinating on cars down below?
20:31:54 <sbp> oh, right
20:32:01 <[bjoern]> Let me look it up
20:32:05 <sbp> hmm, I remember a lot of GIFs like that
20:32:29 <[bjoern]> oh actually I also implemented that the other year in something else... let me check that first
20:32:37 <[bjoern]> somewhere in /temp/...
20:32:47 <sbp> what, pallette animation?
20:33:34 <[bjoern]> http://www.websitedev.de/temp/gif-palette-animation-in-js.html.gz
20:34:57 <sbp> woah, cool
20:35:16 <bancus> God, my math sucks.
20:35:17 <sbp> source scares me somewhat. just a regexp on some table inside the GIF?
20:35:34 <bancus> Given "charge = price + (charge * rate)" and that you know price and rate, is there an easy way to figure out charge?
20:35:45 <bancus> Seems like there is.
20:35:51 <[bjoern]> I think the color palette is essentially a gradient, and the javascript rotates the palette
20:36:07 <[bjoern]> modifying the data: url directly
20:36:47 <sbp> bancus: charge2 = price + (charge1 * rate)? but you only know price and rate, not charge1 nor charge2?
20:37:07 <sbp> [bjoern]: short finishing early story that I've probably told dozens of times, even in Swhack:
20:37:13 <bancus> charge = charge
20:37:18 <bancus> they are the same value
20:37:54 <sbp> [bjoern]: we had to have a maths test one year because my class in general was really suck at maths. and it had got to the point where our teacher was so annoyed with us that he said, anybody who fails this test, you're off the course. that's it, ejected
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20:39:29 <sbp> [bjoern]: which was a pretty major threat! this was an otherwise laid back class and teacher, and we were all close knit and so on
20:40:22 <sbp> [bjoern]: so we have this test on a Friday, and we're all shitting ourselves and we have to do it unusually in complete silence and so on. and it's question after question of quite scary looking stuff, including one question which wasn't even on our syllabus
20:40:49 <sbp> [bjoern]: but the teacher says you don't have to answer question seven, that question, so fine, we only have to do the ones we can cope with
20:41:23 <sbp> so I'm like hmm, usually I arse about like crazy on tests and put in Simpsons quotes and so on, but I figured I'd better actually play this one safe because if I messed it up it would be a complete disaster
20:41:46 <sbp> so I actually try quite hard on this one, and as usual I womp the rest of the class
20:41:56 <sbp> finishing miles earlier than anyone else, as I usually do
20:42:12 <sbp> but in fact, since I'd actually tried, I think I finished in like a quarter of everybody else's time!
20:42:27 <sbp> so the teacher says I can try out the question that's not on our syllabus too if I like
20:42:44 <sbp> and I do that and still I'm waiting for the others...
20:42:56 <sbp> anyway, next week, Tuesday, first maths lesson of the week
20:43:04 <sbp> we get called into a different room than normal
20:43:09 <sbp> and we get given a COMPLETE BOLLOCKING
20:43:18 <sbp> such a nice guy, but he was really disappointed with us
20:43:30 <sbp> he said that many of us had failed, and this just wasn't good enough, and so on
20:43:37 <sbp> so we're really crapping ourselves now
20:43:38 <[bjoern]> Monty?
20:43:42 <Monty2> what she told me with their own life ever seen round water?"
20:43:47 <[bjoern]> Firefox was busy crashing my system..
20:44:07 <sbp> and he goes through person and person, whether they've passed or whether they've failed. and eventually after some heart rending moments with people who'd really tried hard and yet failed he gets to me
20:44:21 <sbp> "Sean. Okay. Did anything not strike you as... odd? About this test?"
20:44:25 <sbp> "Um. No? What?"
20:44:33 <sbp> "Well you didn't think it was a bit short?"
20:44:35 <sbp> "Not really?"
20:44:38 <[bjoern]> bancus, how about charge = price / (rate - 1)?
20:44:42 <sbp> "You didn't think, for example, to turn the page over?"
20:44:46 <sbp> "Oh shit."
20:44:53 <sbp> "You passed anyway. You're a jammy git."
20:45:01 <[bjoern]> That's what Maxima gives for solve(X = Y + (Y * Z), X); anyway...
20:45:02 <sbp> (and I got the extra question right)
20:45:28 <sbp> I still retook the test. and he let the ones who had failed retake the test too
20:45:35 <sbp> everybody passed second time around
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20:46:30 <Monty2> yo danja!
20:46:50 <[bjoern]> I've encountered the page turning problem aswell
20:47:03 <sbp> was Firefox being crashed by your GIF?
20:47:09 <sbp> Safari wasn't all that happy about it
20:47:10 <[bjoern]> I would think so
20:47:24 <[bjoern]> Yeah all browsers go like 100% CPU for it...
20:47:25 <sbp> (which is why my first lines of the story were slow)
20:48:26 <danja> if anyone asks, Im ok. just pissed and in north germany somewhwere
20:48:43 <[bjoern]> I am, too.
20:49:02 <danja> bjoern, whjere?
20:49:07 <[bjoern]> well for the pissed and north germany part anyway
20:49:23 <[bjoern]> Between Hanover and Berlin
20:49:38 <danja> I´m stuck ni Aaaaaaaachen
20:50:05 <[bjoern]> Aachen is not northern germany by ... well let's check google maps before saying any measure
20:50:21 <danja> jj
20:50:50 <[bjoern]> This would be a good opportunity for a italians vs lengths joke
20:51:09 <danja> lll
20:51:53 <sbp> how many beers?
20:52:20 <[bjoern]> danja, there is more germany north of you than there is south of you
20:52:39 <clsn> Ack, you mean it's all over the place? Ewww.
20:52:50 <danja> just didnt mention my priapic experiences
20:52:59 <clsn> woops, I think you just did.
20:53:12 <[bjoern]> beer is not all over
20:53:15 <[bjoern]> unless you count my shirt
20:53:36 * clsn counts your shirt. One.
20:54:07 <danja> last night I had a total viv dream
20:54:16 <[bjoern]> I like those.
20:54:49 <cre8radix> http://cre8radix.net/img/mopokunst.png
20:54:54 * [bjoern] notes clsn as someone who thinks he's chatting clothed.
20:55:04 <[bjoern]> Motorpolizist?
20:55:24 * clsn did conclude that from your mention of shirts. OTOH, I would probably have made that mistake anyway.
20:55:25 <[bjoern]> boy or girl? you decide!
20:55:28 <danja> it only stopped whent sone said, in ------ in Den nmark we
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20:55:50 <danja> loöst again
20:56:09 <[bjoern]> denmark used to be about 30km from home
20:56:16 <sbp> .leo Kunst
20:56:18 <phenny> die Kunst = art - special ability, artistry, arts pl., creation, design
20:56:19 <phenny> Kunst - Schulfach = art - subject at school (educ.)
20:56:19 <phenny> Kunst... = artistic a.
20:56:20 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Kunst
20:56:34 <sbp> not what I was expecting
20:56:47 <[bjoern]> .leo kühn
20:56:49 <phenny> kühn = audacious a., bold a., boldly a., enterprising a., fly a. (coll.)
20:56:49 <phenny> kühn wehen = to flaunt
20:56:50 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=k%C3%BChn
20:56:52 <danja> I´m loookinging at 18hr+
20:57:02 <cre8radix> well... rioting is mosdef a special ability of kreuzbergers
20:57:15 <[bjoern]> looking at the clock for too long can make you dizzy
20:57:23 <cre8radix> :D
20:57:48 <cre8radix> miss sean be bizzeeeeeeeeee
20:58:15 <danja> there is a reason for rubbebber gloves.......
20:58:40 <[bjoern]> there is also a reason for a rubber chicken with a pully in the middle
20:58:59 <danja> alas
20:59:29 <[bjoern]> night sbp
20:59:41 <danja> gn
20:59:48 <cre8radix> good night john bob
21:00:08 <cre8radix> oh btw
21:00:35 <cre8radix> anyone wanna hear a ruffmix from the cre8vault?
21:00:36 <[bjoern]> you should stop right there and think whether it makes sense to combine john bob and btw.
21:00:47 <sbp> heh
21:00:50 <sbp> 'night!
21:00:52 <[bjoern]> is the vault stuffed with monies?
21:00:56 <danja> dont prjectile vomit billy boy
21:01:12 <cre8radix> O_o
21:01:16 <[bjoern]> well that would make one thing cheaper
21:01:32 <[bjoern]> although i do wonder which projectiles
21:01:46 <cre8radix> http://cre8radix.net/audio/Wasted_ruff.mp3
21:01:55 <cre8radix> :)
21:02:05 <cre8radix> *sigh*
21:02:18 <danja> nn gents
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21:02:39 <danja> sorry, gentz
21:02:49 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp btw jessica and I pretty much agreed you should come up with a coherent german text involving your favourite german words which she will then read for pleasurable ends.
21:02:50 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
21:03:16 <cre8radix> :P
21:03:20 <danja> (think kraftwerk)
21:03:27 * cre8radix wants to do a remix
21:03:48 <[bjoern]> You can go and remix a kraftwerk in Chernobyl
21:03:55 <cre8radix> oh
21:03:57 <cre8radix> been there
21:04:00 <cre8radix> done that
21:04:15 <danja> dadadd
21:04:18 <[bjoern]> first time was mixing, not remixing.
21:04:33 <danja> or eating
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21:04:47 * cre8radix likes to re:re:zen atm
21:05:05 <cre8radix> guess i'm n2 loops
21:05:32 <[bjoern]> I suspect an i is missing
21:06:13 <cre8radix> i is always miisin'
21:06:17 * danja better go to hoteöl before liofe turns nito yet another burning wreck
21:06:56 <cre8radix> didya listen to teh ruffage?
21:07:07 <cre8radix> habibi?
21:07:23 <danja> non lo so
21:07:49 * cre8radix shrugs
21:08:21 <danja> nnnnnnnn
21:16:32 <danja> wimawy or nowt
21:18:33 <danja> latze night interwebish cafes apretty weird
21:18:49 <cre8radix> where?
21:19:21 <cre8radix> mosdef in darfur
21:19:38 <danja> aachen
21:19:47 <cre8radix> O_O
21:19:56 <cre8radix> aach du scheiße
21:20:07 <cre8radix> you in aachen?
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21:20:21 <danja> ja
21:20:49 <cre8radix> was machst du denn in aachen?
21:20:57 <danja> mad fuckers t o a man
21:21:23 <cre8radix> !
21:21:27 <cre8radix> wtf?
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21:23:29 <danja> I was here for werk, didn,nt pull it off stayeyed to learn some deutsch
21:23:36 <[bjoern]> He's thinking Aachen is in northern germany.
21:23:42 <[bjoern]> Obviously had some good german beverages.
21:24:27 <danja> bitburgeger - come on
21:25:09 <danja> bitburger, sorry
21:26:40 <danja> does terrible things to one´s intestines
21:27:21 <danja> in other respects, not bad beer
21:28:30 <cre8radix> well
21:28:54 <cre8radix> you should stick wit da southern brewz
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21:33:18 <cre8radix> lol
21:33:21 <cre8radix> http://www.avt.rwth-aachen.de/AVT/index.php?id=487
21:33:24 <cre8radix> foo!
21:33:30 <cre8radix> in bar
21:33:58 * cre8radix has to continue 2 (w)rite lyrix
21:34:13 <cre8radix> l8r [bjoern]
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22:01:02 <cre8radix> zero
22:01:06 <cre8radix> one
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