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04:28:32 <MoiraA> hi spb
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06:32:48 <cre8radix> heya
07:20:38 <_ulises> yo cre8radix
07:20:57 <cre8radix> :)
07:20:59 <cre8radix> moin
07:21:06 <_ulises> mornan, how's ye?
07:21:17 <cre8radix> fine
07:21:29 <cre8radix> gonna move some stuff today
07:21:40 <cre8radix> from apt.A to apt.B
07:21:44 <cre8radix> :)
07:22:01 <cre8radix> and you, ye olde _ulises?
07:22:08 <_ulises> aye fine ken
07:22:15 <_ulises> apt-get move stuff
07:23:12 <_ulises> found your djing gig yet?
07:24:13 <cre8radix> nope
07:24:43 <cre8radix> sudo mv * /var
07:25:01 <_ulises> sry to hear
07:25:09 <_ulises> sudo make me a sammich
07:25:20 <cre8radix> well... i did find a radio thingy
07:25:47 <cre8radix> it'll take some time to produce it, but i'll get paid good money
07:26:01 <_ulises> cool!
07:26:07 * cre8radix doubts there is anything such as "good money"
07:26:10 <cre8radix> :)
07:26:23 <_ulises> well, good money is the money you make doing something you really enjoy
07:26:38 <_ulises> it's not about the quantities ... unless they monies are rather small
07:26:40 <_ulises> ;)
07:28:58 <cre8radix> :D
07:29:35 <procto> good money helps old ladies cross the road
07:29:49 <_ulises> oh yeah i forgot about that
07:30:08 <procto> bad money vadalizes public property
07:30:21 <procto> good money gets good grades and goes to college
07:30:25 <_ulises> as we've all recently witnessed
07:30:32 <procto> bad money is a transient vagrant
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08:24:53 <sbp> yo
08:24:54 <phenny> sbp: 12 May 23:25Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp http://angelsanddemons.cern.ch/
08:27:33 <sbp> wow, someone came up with a worse plot than Snakes on a Plane
08:27:33 <Monty2> what's the checking now to come even by being concerned
08:28:19 <sbp> phenny: tell [bjoern] wow, someone came up with a worse plot than Snakes on a Plane
08:28:20 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around.
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08:34:50 <sbp> “Google is using so-called semantic web technology to leverage the underlying data on websites to enhance results.”
08:34:53 <sbp> — http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8047076.stm
08:36:14 <sbp> “We can't provide these snippets on our own, so we hope that web publishers will help us by adopting microformats or RDFa standards to mark up their HTML and bring this structured data to the surface.”
08:36:20 <sbp> — http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/more-search-options-and-other-updates.html
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08:54:29 <sbp> phenny: tell [bjoern] http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/
08:54:29 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around.
08:55:29 <sbp> phenny: tell [bjoern] http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2009/05/07/juicy-fruits/ is a good one
08:55:29 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around.
08:55:59 <sbp> phenny: tell [bjoern] http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2009/05/06/the-wonder-years/ is pretty good too
08:56:00 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around.
08:57:54 <sbp> phenny: tell [bjoern] and http://whythatsdelightful.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/awkward.jpg
08:57:54 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around. I'll have to use a pastebin, though, so your message may get lost.
08:57:57 <sbp> BAD
08:58:05 <sbp> Monty: tell [bjoern] http://whythatsdelightful.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/awkward.jpg
08:58:05 <Monty2> sbp: Okay, I'll tell [bjoern] that next time I see them...
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11:03:30 <Monty2> Hey [bjoern], sbp asked me to tell you: http://whythatsdelightful.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/awkward.jpg [Wed May 13 09:58:36 BST 2009]
11:04:00 <[bjoern]> I suppose phenny refused to do it?
11:04:00 <phenny> [bjoern]: 08:28Z <sbp> tell [bjoern] wow, someone came up with a worse plot than Snakes on a Plane
11:04:01 <phenny> [bjoern]: 08:54Z <sbp> tell [bjoern] http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/
11:04:03 <phenny> [bjoern]: 08:55Z <sbp> tell [bjoern] http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2009/05/07/juicy-fruits/ is a good one
11:04:05 <phenny> [bjoern]: 08:56Z <sbp> tell [bjoern] http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2009/05/06/the-wonder-years/ is pretty good too
11:04:06 <phenny> [Sorry, some messages were elided and lost...]
11:04:29 <_ulises> of course she refused
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11:56:02 <sbp> yo
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12:14:03 <Monty2> But what does cre8radix have to do with the price of fish?
12:15:03 * cre8radix is neptun, Monty2
12:15:04 <Monty2> and again
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12:19:08 <Monty2> lo Arnia
12:19:21 <[bjoern]> .c sin 1
12:19:22 <phenny> sin(1) = 0.841470985
12:21:00 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8045414.stm
12:21:02 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Politics | Peer turns fire on BBC presenter
12:21:04 <sbp> — pretty funny
12:22:13 <Arnia> She doesn't cope very well
12:23:44 <sbp> nope. not much she could say really
12:24:01 <sbp> "I don't abuse the license fee money"
12:24:18 <sbp> a pretty slim thing to say when you're getting paid 1.5x that of an MP for working less than half of the time
12:25:00 <sbp> she is a good newsreader, but it's pretty hard to say anything about the expenses row given that fact
12:26:30 <[bjoern]> .c sin 0
12:26:30 <phenny> sin(0) = 0
12:43:37 <sbp> three MPs interviewed in the hall outside the Commons
12:43:44 <sbp> two said they support the Speaker, one did not
12:45:05 <sbp> .title http://astrosurf.com/fred76/planche-tan-corrigee-en.html
12:45:06 <phenny> sbp: Fred's astrophotography - A Scotch mount without tangent error
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12:52:25 <sbp> ATTENTION:
12:52:28 <sbp> pls star http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=909
12:52:32 <sbp> THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION
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13:23:37 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "rcs file example" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80131
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15:35:11 <Monty2> hi leobard
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16:50:21 <[bjoern]> yo
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17:13:54 <[bjoern]> .wik nag screen
17:13:55 <phenny> "Nagware (also known as begware or annoyware) is a type of shareware that reminds (or nags) the user to register it by paying a fee." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_screen
17:14:36 <sbp> yo!
17:14:38 <sbp> .c 227 in hex
17:14:39 <[bjoern]> tell me what is new.
17:14:39 <phenny> 227 = 0xE3
17:14:48 <sbp> .u 00E3
17:14:49 <phenny> U+00E3 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH TILDE (ã)
17:14:49 <Monty2> "you"
17:14:51 <sbp> oh quite clearly nothing
17:14:58 <sbp> .u ㋡
17:14:59 <phenny> U+32E1 CIRCLED KATAKANA TU (㋡)
17:15:02 <sbp> .bytes ㋡
17:15:03 <phenny> sbp: '\xe3\x8b\xa1'
17:15:05 <[bjoern]> That cannot be
17:15:13 <[bjoern]> Clearly that was old news yesterday already.
17:15:23 <realist> Awesome, it's circled!
17:15:30 <sbp> .c 13025 in hex
17:15:31 <phenny> 13 025 = 0x32E1
17:15:40 <[bjoern]> .c sbp in hex
17:15:41 <phenny> [bjoern]: Sorry, no result.
17:15:54 <[bjoern]> you cannot be hexed.
17:17:12 <[bjoern]> so what's a cool scheme implementation these days, working on windows?
17:17:39 <[bjoern]> I think I used DrScheme back then and hated it.
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17:20:00 <[bjoern]> i might be intrigued by a foss one with visual studio integration
17:20:01 <Monty2> was where things perhaps making stupid iphone apps
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17:20:15 <Ariaan> .t
17:20:16 <phenny> Wed, 13 May 2009 17:20:16 GMT
17:20:27 <[bjoern]> what is Ariaan's bidding.
17:20:42 <Ariaan> :< I can't figure out how to use the calculator to do currency conversions
17:21:00 <Ariaan> .calc 1GBP USD
17:21:03 <phenny> 1GBP USD = 1.51465 dollar^2 (unknown unit type)
17:21:09 <Ariaan> It seems wrong
17:21:13 <[bjoern]> .c 1 USD in EUR
17:21:13 <phenny> 1 U.S. dollar = 0.735131956 Euros
17:21:30 <[bjoern]> u doin it wong
17:21:38 <Ariaan> What module is that? Doesn't work in the one I'm using
17:21:55 <[bjoern]> I'm am unsure if I can entrust that information to you.
17:21:55 <Ariaan> Oh
17:22:00 <Ariaan> Rofl yeah I am an idiot
17:22:25 <Ariaan> Thanks
17:22:44 <[bjoern]> Dr Perceptron is always happy to help.
17:22:44 <Monty2> hahahahahaha, yeah ok it's better each new response as which are 2 issues on bandwidth it man face
17:22:55 <Ariaan> Except... hold on
17:23:02 <Ariaan> .c 1 MB in KB
17:23:03 <phenny> 1 megabyte = 1024 kilobytes
17:23:13 <Ariaan> 1 MB in KB = 1000 KB
17:23:18 <Ariaan> That's what I got in the one I'm using
17:23:44 <[bjoern]> .wik Kibibyte
17:23:45 <phenny> "A kibibyte (a contraction of kilo binary byte) is a unit of information or computer storage, established by the International Electrotechnical Commission in 2000." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte
17:24:04 <Ariaan> That doesn't help...
17:24:12 <[bjoern]> Reading the article will.
17:24:29 <Ariaan> No it won't, that article isn't going to answer why phenny is saying there's 1000KB in a MB instead of 1024
17:25:08 <[bjoern]> Oh I forgot you are an idiot. Because KB and MB do not stand for what you want them to stand for, in that particular implementation.
17:25:49 <Ariaan> What
17:26:59 <Ariaan> That makes no sense
17:29:50 <Ariaan> Any particular reason you would do that?
17:29:58 <Ariaan> Or are you just going to go silent on me
17:30:38 <jsled> .c 1 MB in KiB
17:30:39 <phenny> jsled: Sorry, no result.
17:30:45 <jsled> .c 1 MiB in KiB
17:30:46 <phenny> jsled: Sorry, no result.
17:30:56 <Ariaan> Exactly
17:30:58 <jsled> phenny: FiCK YiU.
17:31:36 <jsled> yeah, "you". Why did you do that, [bjoern]?
17:31:58 <[bjoern]> because fick is german for fuck.
17:32:44 <[bjoern]> there is http://code.google.com/p/googlebugs/issues/detail?id=141 btw
17:33:03 <jsled> I'm sure it helps to read it in Comic Store Guy voice.
17:34:19 <Ariaan> Doesn't help though
17:35:08 <[bjoern]> Ariaan, there are a 1000 KB in a MB, and there are 1024 KB in a MB, depending on how you define KB and MB.
17:35:28 <Ariaan> I get it, but like I keep saying. That doesn't help
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17:36:23 <[bjoern]> It's not like you actually formulated what your problem is, so how would we know what would help?
17:36:42 <Ariaan> .c 1MB in KB
17:36:42 <phenny> 1 megabyte = 1024 kilobytes
17:36:51 <Ariaan> That does not work in the phenny I'm using
17:37:03 <jsled> how does it fail?
17:37:04 <Ariaan> Whether it is wrong or not doesn't matter
17:37:22 <Ariaan> 1 MB in KB = 1000 KB
17:37:27 <Ariaan> It doesn't, it's right
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17:38:00 <Ariaan> Just not what is wanted, that's why I asked what module .c is in, as I don't have it
17:39:16 <nsh> The Princess is in Another Castle
17:39:48 <sbp> Repeat: The Komodo Dragon's Niece is Green
17:40:09 <[bjoern]> Mario meets Chrono Cross.
17:42:03 <Ariaan> .calc 1 MB in KB
17:42:04 <phenny> 1 MB in KB = 1000 KB
17:42:07 <deltab> there are 1024 KiB in a MiB
17:42:42 <deltab> k- means 1000, Ki- means 1024
17:42:51 <Ariaan> I know, I get it I keep saying that
17:43:04 <Ariaan> All I'm asking is where .c is
17:43:18 <jsled> it's more a "k" sound, not "c".
17:43:21 <sbp> Ariaan: the module containing .c is a private module
17:43:27 <jsled> Back of the throat.
17:43:33 <sbp> Ariaan: it is not available
17:43:46 <realist> sbp: why is that?
17:43:50 <Ariaan> Fair enough
17:43:57 <[bjoern]> because we hate freedom.
17:43:57 <sbp> realist: it uses proprietary code
17:43:58 <realist> I've wondered before, but forgot to ask about it.
17:44:58 <deltab> a company with a legal department would be annoyed
17:45:05 <sbp> it's unfortunate, but the case may change in future
17:45:12 <sbp> as it's changed for other functions in a similar way
17:45:23 <realist> What kind of proprietary code?
17:46:30 <sbp> uses it in the interfaces it sense
17:46:35 <sbp> I don't know what kind of code it is
17:49:28 <sbp> Ariaan: I'm sorry that .calc is kinda rubbish
17:49:41 <sbp> Ariaan: you could always hook up a CGI to GNU units or something though
17:49:48 <sbp> Ariaan: and then interface it using the .o command
17:49:49 <sbp> .o
17:49:49 <phenny> sbp: Try http://code.google.com/p/phenny-ws/wiki/ServiceDefinitions for details.
17:50:28 <Ariaan> Yeah no worries, thanks though
17:51:02 <deltab> or Frink!
17:51:06 * realist wonders what .c is hooked up to
17:51:18 <deltab> .wik Frink
17:51:18 <[bjoern]> It will all come to pass in the great Perl6 rewrite of phenny.
17:51:19 <phenny> "Frink is a calculating tool and programming language designed by Alan Eliasen." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frink
17:51:28 <sbp> deltab: .calc uses Frink!
17:51:51 <deltab> yay!
17:51:54 <sbp> heh, heh
17:52:07 <clsn> Ow, a perl6 rewrite of phenny... Shudder. Look, I'm impressed with perl6 and all, but reading through its docs I just can't imagine being able to remember all the details of the syntax.
17:52:35 <sbp> clsn: saywhatnow?
17:53:02 <deltab> clsn: you're not expected to
17:53:37 <clsn> Where exactly is a space >required< and where >forbidden< and what are the consequences for doing it the other way... More arcane operators than you can shake a stick at...
17:54:03 <clsn> (actually, maybe more than YOU can shake a stick at, but it happens I'm an expert at shaking sticks at things: I can shake a stick at all those, easy.)
17:54:09 <[bjoern]> hey there are just a few http://www.ozonehouse.com/mark/periodic/
17:54:19 <sbp> clsn: where did you get the idea of a perl6 rewrite of phenny from?
17:54:33 <clsn> Yeah, I've seen the periodic table. That would seem to agree with me. :)
17:54:38 <sbp> I have been thinking about a perl6 bot
17:54:46 <sbp> but perl6 isn't complete enough to port phenny yet
17:54:51 <clsn> sbp: <[bjoern]> It will all come to pass in the great Perl6 rewrite of phenny.
17:54:51 <[bjoern]> read 16 lines above
17:55:25 <sbp> oh, I missed that in all the Frink excitement. heh. thanks
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17:55:32 <clsn> perl6 is also, last I looked, horrifically slow. Though speed is at the moment a non-goal and the slow behavior is expected just now.
17:56:00 <[bjoern]> Speed is not all that great a concern for an irc bot
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17:56:41 <sbp> I suggested today that someone write a perl6 syntax nomic bot
17:56:50 <sbp> and someone suggested that perl6 *is* syntax nomic...
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17:57:16 <clsn> Um... sounds right, if I'm understanding aright...
17:57:20 <clsn> .wik nomic
17:57:21 <phenny> "Nomic is a game created in 1982 by philosopher Peter Suber in which the rules of the game include mechanisms for the players to change those rules, usually beginning through a system of democratic voting." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic
17:57:28 <clsn> OK, that's what I thought.
18:00:49 <sbp> start with democracy, end up with cogocracy
18:01:59 <nslater> .py dateutil.parse("tomorrow").utcformat()
18:02:02 <phenny> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'parse'
18:02:17 <nslater> .py dateutil.parser.parse("tomorrow").utcformat()
18:02:19 <phenny> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'parser'
18:02:46 <nslater> ¯\(°_0)/¯
18:04:10 <nslater> .py __import__("dateutil.parser").parse("tomorrow").utcformat()
18:04:14 <phenny> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'parse'
18:04:21 <nslater> FUUUUUU
18:05:36 <nslater> .py from dateutil import parser; parser.parse("tomorrow").utcformat()
18:05:38 <phenny> ValueError: unknown string format
18:05:43 <nslater> huh, okay
18:06:41 <sbp> .py datetime.datetime.now() + datetime.delta(days=1)
18:06:44 <phenny> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'delta'
18:07:11 <sbp> .py datetime.datetime.now() + datetime.timedelta(days=1)
18:07:13 <phenny> 2009-05-14 18:07:13.285009
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18:07:23 <sbp> nslater: there you go
18:07:31 <nslater> :-)
18:08:38 <[bjoern]> "The second anecdote is that when making our implementation of XML Schemas (a project initially funded by JSTOR which is making its leisurely way towards open source ) we twice had programmers threaten to resign because working on XML Schemas implementation was too unpleasant."
18:08:51 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "tomorrow.py" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80151
18:09:03 <sbp> .py load('http://paste.lisp.org/display/80151/raw').tomorrow()
18:09:06 <phenny> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'datetime'
18:09:11 <sbp> nu
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18:09:33 <sbp> nslater: ufixpls?
18:09:42 <nslater> hmm?
18:09:51 <sbp> nslater: what's going on there? any clues?
18:10:01 <nslater> nope, temp looking at something else
18:10:10 <sbp> [bjoern]: XML Schemas and JSTOR in the same sentence? scary
18:10:25 <[bjoern]> posted to www-tag no less http://www.w3.org/mid/4A0AE672.7050202@allette.com.au
18:10:35 <sbp> wow
18:11:55 <nslater> .py "".join(map(lambda y: " " * random.randint(1,40) + "spray", [1] * random.choice([1,2,2,2,3])))
18:11:58 <phenny> spray spray
18:12:08 <sbp> Rick Jelliffe is teh cools
18:12:13 <sbp> nslater: pls debug pls
18:12:26 <nslater> .py "".join(map(lambda y:" "*random.randint(1,40)+"spray",[1]*random.choice([2,3,4])))
18:12:28 <phenny> spray spray spray
18:12:36 * nslater frowns at sbp
18:12:50 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #80151 "without the import" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80151#1
18:13:05 <sbp> .py load('http://paste.lisp.org/display/80151,1/raw').tomorrow()
18:13:08 <phenny> NameError: global name 'datetime' is not defined
18:13:37 <nslater> it should have it
18:13:43 <nslater> hmm, atch not in the module
18:14:05 <nslater> .py run("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80151/raw")
18:14:07 <phenny> None
18:14:31 <nslater> o_O
18:14:34 <sbp> I'll make a runnable version
18:15:28 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #80151 "printed output" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80151#2
18:15:40 <sbp> .py run('http://paste.lisp.org/display/80151,2/raw')
18:15:43 <phenny> 2009-05-14 18:15:43.697605
18:15:45 <sbp> didn't know you implemented run
18:15:57 <sbp> okay, so it's only import in a loaded module that doesn't work
18:16:29 <nslater> lisppaste2: url
18:16:29 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
18:16:32 <[bjoern]> If loaded modules really were URIs, that would be no problem.
18:17:19 <lisppaste2> nslater pasted "dirname" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80153
18:17:45 <nslater> .py load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80153/raw").dirname("/foo/bar")
18:17:49 <phenny> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'dirname'
18:17:52 <nslater> hmm
18:17:58 <nslater> .py load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80153/raw")
18:18:01 <phenny> <module 'module' (built-in)>
18:18:30 <sbp> .py dir(load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80153/raw"))
18:18:32 <phenny> ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__name__', 'dirname', 'path']
18:18:34 <sbp> .py vars(load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80153/raw"))
18:18:37 <phenny> {'__builtins__': {'IndexError': <type 'exceptions.IndexError'>, 'all': <built-in function all>, 'help': Type help() for interactive help, or help(object) for help about object., 'vars': <built-in function vars>, 'SyntaxError': <type 'exceptions.SyntaxError'>, 'unicode': <type 'unicode'>, 'UnicodeDecodeError': <type 'exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError'>,
18:18:56 <nslater> .py type(load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80153/raw").path)
18:18:57 <sbp> it says path is in there
18:18:59 <phenny> <type 'module'>
18:19:03 <sbp> ...
18:19:11 <nslater> .py load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80153/raw").path.__file__
18:19:12 <sbp> oh right, that's fine
18:19:13 <phenny> /base/python_dist/lib/python2.5/posixpath.py
18:19:13 <sbp> hmm
18:19:18 <sbp> man, weird
18:19:35 <nslater> .py load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80153/raw").path.dirname("/foo/bar")
18:19:38 <phenny> /foo
18:19:41 <nslater> !?!?!
18:19:55 <sbp> oh, perhaps the global scope used by the function is not the __dict__ of the module
18:20:05 <nslater> aaaaah
18:20:10 <nslater> mebbe
18:20:17 <deltab> try import within the function
18:20:30 <nslater> deltab: would rather have it Just Work though :/
18:20:40 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #80153 "global statement" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80153#1
18:20:51 <nslater> deltab: http://code.google.com/p/phenny-ws/source/browse/trunk/service/py.py
18:21:14 <sbp> .py load('http://paste.lisp.org/display/80153,1/raw').dirname('/a/b')
18:21:17 <phenny> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'dirname'
18:21:20 <sbp> meh
18:24:18 <lisppaste2> nslater annotated #80153 "import inside function scope" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80153#2
18:24:38 <nslater> .py load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80153,2/raw").dirname("/a/b")
18:24:42 <phenny> /a
18:24:46 <nslater> deltab: hmm!
18:25:40 <sbp> nslater: obviously the module.__dict__ hack is not getting scopes right
18:25:54 <lisppaste2> nslater pasted "locals" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80155
18:26:20 <nslater> .py load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80155/raw")
18:26:23 <phenny> {'__builtins__': {'IndexError': <type 'exceptions.IndexError'>, 'all': <built-in function all>, 'help': Type help() for interactive help, or help(object) for help about object., 'vars': <built-in function vars>, 'SyntaxError': <type 'exceptions.SyntaxError'>, 'unicode': <type 'unicode'>, 'UnicodeDecodeError': <type 'exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError'>,
18:27:03 <lisppaste2> nslater annotated #80155 "update" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80155#1
18:27:15 <nslater> .py load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80155,1/raw")
18:27:18 <phenny> <module 'sys' (built-in)>
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18:27:21 <nslater> what
18:27:52 <lisppaste2> nslater annotated #80155 "inspect" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80155#2
18:28:03 <nslater> .py load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80155,2/raw")
18:28:06 <phenny> <module 'module' (built-in)>
18:28:08 <nslater> .py load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80155,2/raw").inspect()
18:28:08 <phenny> None
18:28:17 <nslater> hmm, sbp - what do do about that then?
18:28:49 <sbp> no idea, heh
18:30:00 <nsh> any good taft today sbp?
18:31:01 <sbp> nsh: nope, don't think so
18:31:04 <sbp> lemme check
18:31:25 <nsh> k
18:34:20 <nslater> .py any(iter(bool,%20True))
18:34:22 <phenny> SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
18:34:24 <nslater> .py any(iter(bool, True))
18:34:47 <nsh> .titke http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuARWGu5_V4&feature=related
18:36:35 <sbp> nsh: nope, not according to my browser history
18:37:13 <sbp> .title
18:37:13 <nsh> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuARWGu5_V4&feature=related
18:37:15 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - The Synesthetic City
18:37:16 <phenny> nsh: YouTube - The Synesthetic City
18:40:23 <clsn> nsh: that is fucked-up.
18:40:24 <nslater> .py load("http://paste.lisp.org/display/80155,2/raw").inspect()
18:40:26 <phenny> None
18:42:24 <sbp> hmm. Parliament should have a secret ballot a few times per year about confidence in the Speaker
18:42:57 <nsh> ++
18:43:04 <sbp> doesn't really make sense to have a system where you can't criticise the Speaker because then he won't call on you
18:47:10 <[bjoern]> .c 3.40 USD in EUR
18:47:11 <phenny> 3.40 U.S. dollars = 2.49944865 Euros
18:47:19 <sbp> wow, as much as that
18:51:29 <[bjoern]> hmm there is now a projectname.git.sourceforge.net
18:51:49 <[bjoern]> and a .hg.
18:51:58 <sbp> hg?!
18:52:05 <sbp> wow, someone supports hg
18:52:09 <clsn> Sourceforge is going git? And hg? Neat. (not being partisan, just appreciating the variety)
18:52:13 <sbp> and darcs?
18:52:19 <clsn> I thought hg was considered pretty good.
18:52:22 <jsled> no. no one supports darcs.
18:52:33 <[bjoern]> .g darcs sourceforge net
18:52:33 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net/
18:52:34 <sbp> clsn: it is, that's why I'm surprised someone supports it
18:52:37 <[bjoern]> .g svk sourceforge net
18:52:38 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://vim.sourceforge.net/scripts/script.php?script_id=90
18:52:41 <[bjoern]> .g git sourceforge net
18:52:42 <sbp> clsn: well, it's rubbish. but the least rubbish
18:52:42 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://apps.sourceforge.net/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Git
18:52:45 <sbp> along with darcs
18:52:50 <nslater> sbp: you are missing serious lulz in python
18:52:50 <[bjoern]> google unuseful to tell
18:52:54 <clsn> Oh. Sorry, subtlety enzymes not working.
18:52:59 <nslater> sbp: they are sayin that im stupid, and wrong, and stupid and wrong
18:53:02 <sbp> hehe
18:53:06 <sbp> nslater: watching
18:53:20 <[bjoern]> .g * site:git.sourceforge.net
18:53:21 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://e2fsprogs.git.sourceforge.net/
18:53:27 <nslater> sbp: you in there?
18:53:30 <[bjoern]> .g * site:hg.sourceforge.net
18:53:30 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://qct.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/qct/
18:53:34 <[bjoern]> .g * site:darcs.sourceforge.net
18:53:35 <phenny> [bjoern]: No results found for '* site:darcs.sourceforge.net'.
18:53:39 <[bjoern]> .g * site:svk.sourceforge.net
18:53:39 <phenny> [bjoern]: No results found for '* site:svk.sourceforge.net'.
18:53:42 <[bjoern]> .g * site:svn.sourceforge.net
18:53:43 <phenny> [bjoern]: https://svn.sourceforge.net/
18:53:47 <[bjoern]> .g * site:cvs.sourceforge.net
18:53:48 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://dslinux.cvs.sourceforge.net/
18:54:28 <clsn> I've been (reluctantly and slowly) reading up more on git and hg, mainly because svn is too rigid.
18:55:12 * clsn just detached his #swhack tab from the xchat window. Wonder how to undo that.
18:55:26 <clsn> That worked.
18:57:38 <[bjoern]> Share what you know about undetaching #swhack tab from the xchat window.
18:58:02 <clsn> Ctrl-I seems to reattach. And also was responsible for detaching.
18:58:09 <nslater> i fucking hate #python
18:58:36 <[bjoern]> http://php.net/utf8-decode is an amazing function
18:58:41 <clsn> Maybe that's because your wrong, and stupid, and stupid and wrong.
18:58:43 <sbp> nslater: so, change to exec code in module.__dict__
18:58:46 <nslater> probably
18:58:50 <nslater> sbp: already did
18:58:50 <Monty2> That's messed up by your alcohol
18:58:52 <nslater> sbp: no effect
18:58:52 <sbp> rather than exec(code, module.__dict__)
18:58:55 <sbp> nslater: oh, really?
18:58:58 <nslater> yeah
18:58:59 <sbp> that's strange
18:59:03 <sbp> can I see the code?
18:59:08 <nslater> its in svn
18:59:13 <nslater> http://code.google.com/p/phenny-ws/source/browse/trunk/service/py.py
19:02:06 <[bjoern]> "MIT/GNU Scheme was free software even before the Free Software Foundation and GNU General Public License existed. It has a built-in Emacs-like editor called Edwin." - so that does sound rather scary
19:03:22 <[bjoern]> .g parrot status scheme
19:03:23 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.sidhe.org/~dan/blog/archives/000158.html
19:03:34 <jsled> in the pre-history, even before the FSF and GPL
19:04:03 <[bjoern]> When Jesus rode his dinosaurs into battle against proprietary software.
19:04:41 <[bjoern]> [[[
19:04:42 <[bjoern]> scheme \emdash An implementation of Scheme
19:04:42 <[bjoern]> Scheme to PIR with Chicken \emdash An implementation of Scheme
19:04:42 <[bjoern]> shakespeare-parrot \emdash An implementation of Shakespeare
19:04:44 <[bjoern]> ]]]
19:05:07 <[bjoern]> does not give status information it would seem
19:05:14 <[bjoern]> and OMG Trac is so slow
19:05:48 <[bjoern]> "This is the very first alpha release (July 7, 2005) of this code." on the chicken one
19:06:53 <[bjoern]> "Monkey - An implementation of Lua 5.1"
19:07:03 <[bjoern]> Why would a monkey implement the moon.
19:07:42 <[bjoern]> http://www.parrot.org/content/election-bilbo-baggins-2009-2010-board-term
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19:08:21 <clsn> Sam was elected Mayor over and over again...
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19:09:29 <lisppaste2> nslater pasted "stupid and wrong" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80157
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19:11:05 <[bjoern]> "SCM includes Hobbit, the Scheme-to-C compiler "
19:11:19 <[bjoern]> there just aren't enough memes.
19:14:10 <[bjoern]> .wik Cheney's algorithm
19:14:11 <phenny> "Cheney's algorithm, first described in a 1970 ACM paper by C.J. Cheney, is a method of garbage collection in computer software systems." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheney's_algorithm
19:15:16 <lisppaste2> nslater annotated #80157 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80157#1
19:15:42 <clsn> What, doesn't involve waterboarding the data until it confesses?
19:17:00 <[bjoern]> 'It's called "Scheme 48" because the first version was written in 48 hours. The authors now say it is intended to be understood in 48 hours.'
19:18:01 <nsh> lulz: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/5/8/
19:19:03 <[bjoern]> gum supplies are insufficient at this juncture.
19:21:42 <[bjoern]> interesting http://practical-scheme.net/docs/ILC2002.html
19:23:53 <[bjoern]> "Stalin is an aggressive optimizing batch whole-program Scheme compiler written by Jeffrey Mark Siskind."
19:24:12 <[bjoern]> "The name is a joke" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_(Scheme_implementation)
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19:32:37 <[bjoern]> "I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders." - http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/13/ventura/index.html
19:34:44 <clsn> *shrug* people keep defending "enhanced interrogation" by referring to its effectiveness and usefulness, and attacking it by attacking same. I don't see the relevance. Was torture outlawed because it didn't work well?
19:36:53 <[bjoern]> Nobody knows if torture works well. That would be like saying, if X = A + B + C, and C is really big, then X is really big aswell.
19:37:44 <clsn> Exactly. So that wasn't the reason it was dispensed with.
19:37:56 <clsn> It was outlawed for reasons entirely unrelated to its effectiveness.
20:00:06 <nslater> loggy: pointer
20:00:06 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2009-05-13#T20-00-06
20:00:20 <nslater> .o speak http://swhack.com/logs/2009-05-13#T20-00-06
20:00:26 <phenny> Nothing to say.
20:01:31 <nslater> .o internet shwack
20:01:34 <phenny> Return Of The Booom Shwack
20:01:49 <nslater> .o internet timecube
20:01:55 <phenny> Re: The TimeCube Will Set You Free "
20:02:01 <nslater> .o internet timecube
20:02:02 <phenny> thank - you for pointing out the timecube!
20:02:08 <nslater> .o internet timecube
20:02:11 <phenny> david epsom dot com dot au) for pointing out the timecube!
20:10:37 <[bjoern]> .gc "With great power comes the expectation that others will do your job for you"
20:10:39 <phenny> "With great power comes the expectation that others will do your job for you": 0
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21:14:18 <nsh> .gs preponderance of *
21:14:19 <phenny> preponderance of *: evidence (69), the (20), good (5), wealth (3), goals (3), blacks (3)
21:15:34 *** nsh changed the topic to: "Swhack: a preponderance of flak"
21:54:28 <nsh> phenny, en fi "election"?
21:54:28 <phenny> nsh: "vaalit" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
22:13:49 <nsh> phenny, en fi "harm"?
22:13:50 <phenny> nsh: "haittaa" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
22:36:44 <nsh> phenny, en fi "appropriate"?
22:36:45 <phenny> nsh: "asianmukainen" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
22:42:59 <nsh> phenny, fi en "riehua"?
22:43:00 <phenny> nsh: "rampage" (fi to en, translate.google.com)
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23:00:21 <nsh> phenny, en fi "DIVERSION"?
23:00:21 <phenny> nsh: "Poikkeaminen" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
23:21:19 <jsled> .rate msmtp
23:21:24 <phenny> "msmtp": 16.67% (1 rocks; 0 rules; 5 sucks; 0 blows)
23:21:33 <jsled> .rate nbsmtp
23:21:38 <jsled> .rate ssmtp
23:21:39 <phenny> "nbsmtp": 50.0% (0 rocks; 0 rules; 0 sucks; 0 blows)
23:21:43 <phenny> "ssmtp": 28.57% (2 rocks; 0 rules; 5 sucks; 0 blows)
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23:55:24 <bancus> .rate cleveland
23:55:29 <phenny> "cleveland": 93.62% (159,000 rocks; 1,180 rules; 10,500 sucks; 417 blows)
23:55:40 <[bjoern]> .rates hookers
23:55:45 <phenny> "hookers": 18.54% (1,060 rock; 674 rule; 1,100 suck; 6,520 blow)
