00:03:39 <[bjoern]> nice http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1910892
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01:06:06 <skwerl> hey Moira
01:08:04 <MoiraA> you ok?
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08:20:30 <cre8radix> heya
08:36:01 <sbp> yo
08:36:58 <sbp> xover: yeah, you're not the only one to be slightly aggrevated:
08:37:00 <sbp> <sjokkis> god, i fucking hate that we won
08:37:01 <sbp> <sjokkis> now i'll be hearing that shitty song on the radio and tv for months
08:39:22 <xover> And today is Constitution Day, and May 16th is traditionally the big party day for the Russ (.wik Russ).
08:39:44 <xover> Mayors across the country are working Eurovision into their speeches for the day.
08:40:23 <xover> And since we're hosting next year, we'll now be subjected to the tripe at varyig intensity for 1+ years.
08:42:32 <xover> http://www.kjendis.no/2009/05/17/kjendis/melodi_grand_prix/eurovision_song_contest/alexander_rybak/mgp/6265556/
08:42:39 <sbp> oh dear. hehe
08:42:58 <sbp> yeah, isn't he going to be seen with the Royal Family today?
08:43:23 <xover> I doubt it, as he so vocally announced, he won't be returning to .no until 23:00 tonight.
08:43:31 <sbp> http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/626/626565/6265658/jpg/active/503x.jpg - heh
08:43:36 <sbp> ah
08:45:11 <sbp> anyway you can't blame me
08:45:15 <sbp> I voted for Azerbaijan!
08:45:45 <sbp> ooh, Clegg called for the Speaker to step down
08:45:57 <xover> I wonder if it would be a precendent if a Eurovision commentator got death threats afterwards based on performance?
08:46:24 <sbp> oh yeah? your commentator was worse than the German one was he?
08:46:37 <sbp> we had a new commentator this year for the first time in like three decades
08:46:40 <xover> I haven't seen the German one.
08:46:46 <sbp> and actually he did okay. I thought he was going to be terrible
08:47:01 <sbp> the guy in the suit who announced your votes was funny
08:47:06 <xover> Yeah, we had a new one too; and the annoying little chit just would. not. stop. talking.
08:47:10 <sbp> well, I say suit. I mean costume, and that's what's funny
08:47:11 <sbp> hehe
08:47:38 <xover> He may have been, I wouldn't know, because the fucking commentator was busy commenting how small her boobs were while Norway was giving its votes.
08:48:00 <sbp> [[[
08:48:01 <sbp> Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg has called on Commons Speaker Michael Martin to stand down, saying he has become an obstacle to much-needed reform of Parliament.
08:48:01 <sbp> Mr Clegg said the Speaker should do the "decent thing" and step aside, saying he was not the "right man" for the job.
08:48:09 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8054140.stm
08:48:23 <sbp> chuckle
08:48:38 <xover> About 5 countries voting after there weren't enough points left in the game for anyone to overtake .no, she was still wondering whether we'd win.
08:48:45 <sbp> Norton only spoke over the weird tATu skit
08:48:57 <sbp> chuckle
08:49:06 <xover> She literally did not shut up the entire fucking event. Not for a second.
08:49:22 <sbp> wait, it was a she? she was complaining about small boobs?
08:49:36 <xover> And the amount of inane and irrelevant shit she was bringing up, oh my fucking god.
08:49:50 <xover> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synnøve_Svabø
08:50:06 <sbp> the overtaking thing is especially funny since our commentator was saying Norway had won when we were about seven countries into the vote
08:50:29 <sbp> her... boob stunt. okay!
08:51:51 * jessica grins.
08:52:02 <jessica> You gentlemen still haven't begun to get over Eurovision?
08:52:20 <sbp> jessica: well it's going to be hard for xover
08:52:38 * jessica waves cheerfully to xover, glad that she can suspend for one day her on-going search of Norwegian newspapers for homicidal rampages by systems administrators.
08:52:42 <sbp> unless he shoots his television and computer and all other communications equipment with a high powered rifle
08:52:46 <xover> heh heh
08:53:15 <sbp> they're even playing it here
08:53:16 <xover> I may yet violently murder the above mentioned commentator, note.
08:53:18 <sbp> on the news, right now
08:53:25 <xover> *sigh*
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08:55:01 <xover> Heh. Heidi Stephens made front page news here today.
08:55:21 <sbp> .wik Heidi Stephens
08:55:23 <phenny> "The sixth series of Strictly Come Dancing began on BBC One on 20 September 2008, with Bruce Forsyth and Tess Daly returning as presenters, and Craig Revel Horwood, Arlene Phillips, Len Goodman and Bruno Tonioli returning as judges." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strictly_Come_Dancing_(Series_6)
08:55:35 <xover> She liveblogged it for The Guardian.
08:55:38 <sbp> they're showing "highlights" now
08:55:39 <sbp> aha
08:55:55 <xover> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2009/may/16/eurovision-bbc
08:56:08 <xover> Bwah hah: «Could someone please poke him in the eye with his violin bow, please?» — Heidi Stephens for The Guardian
08:56:24 <sbp> xover: that happened to ours
08:56:26 <xover> And that quote is headline news in .no right now.
08:56:34 <sbp> our singer walked into a violinist
08:56:45 <sbp> it was the best bit of our entire act
08:56:49 <xover> heh heh
08:56:52 <sbp> her quote the headline: awesome
08:57:09 <sbp> highlights: hmm, Moldova was actually a pretty good song
08:57:18 <sbp> (in the relative, Eurovision, sense, not the real world sense)
08:57:39 <sbp> so many countries should have got nil pwah
08:57:56 <sbp> Lithuania, Greece, Finland, Germany, France, Russia...
09:00:15 <jessica> You know, sbp, ever since you enlightened me as to this music competition, you and Björn, I looked at it.
09:00:55 <jessica> And as far as I can tell, while the United States and the Soviet Union were occupying themselves by building things to shoot at each other, you were ... competing on pop music.
09:01:05 <sbp> yeah
09:01:38 <jessica> Rather reminds me of Douglas Adams saying that mankind was convinced that he was smarter than the dolphins for having built cities, built up all these things, and the dolphins felt exactly the opposite.
09:02:47 <sbp> xover: it's pretty bad for us too, by the way, because since Webber did so well we're presumably going to be having Eurovision reality TV voting shows for many a year
09:03:22 <jessica> I would like offer an apology on behalf of my country, as an American, for having introduced the concept of "reality television" to the world.
09:03:47 <xover> There is no god forgiving enough for that particular sin.
09:04:16 <jessica> Indeed, but making noble if futile gestures is a besetting Anglo trait, colonial or otherwise.
09:05:40 <xover> Don't worry, we tend to think of you as our boisterous and unruly children in any case.
09:06:14 <jessica> Sir, I beg of you, wait.
09:06:16 <xover> And now that Supernanny has taken charge, we're hoping you'll be on your best behaviour going forward.
09:06:30 <jessica> I could endure that statement from sbp or Arnia with ease.
09:06:55 <jessica> but xover, your nation only supplied us with a bunch of blonde people who promptly migrated to Minnesota.
09:07:12 <xover> And who raped and pillaged their way through Arnia and sbp@s great grandmothers?
09:07:52 <jessica> Vikings: Cuckolding the entire known world, one husband at a time.
09:08:10 <xover> Well, not so much Asia, but otherwise, yeah.
09:08:54 <jessica> I believe Genghis Khan had your back there.
09:10:27 <sbp> technically the Normans were Vikings, don't forget
09:10:35 <sbp> Normans who had raped and pillaged their way through Northern France so often that they became French
09:10:42 <sbp> er, Viking who had...
09:10:47 <sbp> VIKINGS
09:11:21 <sbp> and well, I say became French, but they spoke a pretty weird French
09:11:37 <sbp> which we inherited and it became... English! yay
09:11:52 <sbp> English = Weird Norman French, and some Germanic scraps
09:12:13 <sbp> which I know you know already, but it bears repeating
09:12:20 <nslater> yo sbp
09:12:23 <sbp> yo nslater
09:12:24 <nslater> have fun last night? :)
09:12:34 <sbp> of course not. it was Eurovision
09:12:40 <nslater> heh, how was norton?
09:12:47 <sbp> he was actually not too bad
09:12:54 <nslater> oh, cool
09:13:07 <jessica> Wait, hold on a moment.
09:13:15 <jessica> How do you take Vikings and result in Frenchmen?
09:13:27 <jessica> I realise we're dealing with a millenia of separation from parent stock, but still.
09:13:39 <sbp> no, it wasn't that long
09:13:45 <sbp> it was only a couple of hundred years or something
09:14:14 <nslater> jessica: easy, europe was so busy raping and murdering each other, it makes little sense to try and draw any definate lines around nationality :)
09:14:34 <nslater> well, over the period of time sbp is joking about anyway
09:14:36 <sbp> “ It included Viking settlers, who had begun arriving in the 880s”
09:14:49 <sbp> so actually, not even two hundred years
09:14:52 <sbp> by the time they invaded England
09:15:07 <sbp> I'm not joking, heh
09:15:10 <nslater> which always makes me laugh when you hear bnp nationlists and stuff
09:15:10 <jessica> you know, now that I think of it, Runnymede smacks of Vikings.
09:15:21 <nslater> and they're all like "keep out jonny foreigner!"
09:15:31 <jessica> that, and, think of it. "Concesserimus libertates quasdam scriptas in Magna Carta nostra de libertatibus. Data per manum nostram."
09:15:31 <sbp> 'eave 'alf a brick at 'im!
09:15:36 <nslater> and it's like "dude. britain was europes melting pot" lrn2history
09:15:41 <nslater> you ARE jonny forigner
09:15:51 <jessica> That sounds like a good foundation for any crackpot Scandinavian state.
09:17:07 <xover> That's quite redundant.
09:17:53 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Vikings, English French Vikings, and American English French Vikings"
09:18:17 <jessica> xover, not only are you the only Scandinavian I know who smokes tobacco, you're also the only one I know who actively objects to government determination of bed time.
09:18:38 <sbp> that's because it conflicts with his coffee regime
09:18:52 <jessica> Honestly, in Tromsø, I don't know how you don't go quite and entirely mad.
09:18:54 <sbp> sysadmin > all other alleigances
09:19:11 <nslater> I would quite like to talk to one of these militant british nationalists one time to quize them about exactly which time period they consider to define what it means to be british, armed with a good knowledge of british history. keep logically pushing them until they are forced to conclude we should all become wiccan or something
09:19:11 <sbp> *allegiances
09:19:25 <jessica> Wicca is a modern construct anyway.
09:19:29 <sbp> yeah
09:19:35 <jessica> Which would add to the LOLlertastic possibilities.
09:19:37 <nslater> like I said, armed with a good knowledge of history
09:19:39 <nslater> druid, then
09:19:42 <sbp> we'd have to all become Welsh
09:19:54 <sbp> which is quite funny
09:19:55 <jessica> ... you'd all end up Daffyd Thomas?
09:20:15 * xover -> fags…
09:20:17 <sbp> well Noah wouldn't. what's Noah in Welsh?
09:20:31 <jessica> Apparently not the only gay in the village.
09:20:34 <nslater> it's a hebrew word, does it even have a welsh version?
09:20:35 <sbp> and my name is q-celtic, not p-celtic
09:20:42 <sbp> nslater: probably, yeah
09:21:02 <nslater> it has a french version, which I've always prefered
09:21:09 <sbp> Noeur?
09:21:16 <nslater> "noè" or something, dunno
09:21:20 <nslater> met someone called it once
09:21:22 <sbp> hehe. crazy French
09:21:23 <nslater> many years ago
09:22:09 <jessica> I've not got that advantage, being as it is that a certain author made up my Christian name from whole cloth.
09:22:18 <jessica> not that anyone in here is fanatical about that author or anything.
09:22:45 <sbp> SHAKESPEAEEAEAEARE
09:23:31 <nslater> aha
09:23:42 <nslater> "Noa (English), Noé (French), and Noë (French) are variants of Noah. Other variants of Noah include the pet forms Noe (English) and Norrie (English)."
09:23:52 <sbp> oh, of course! p-celtic, Siôn
09:24:10 <nslater> "Noa (English), Na'im (Arabic), Nahum (English, German, and Hebrew), Naim (Arabic), Naomhan (Irish), Naomhán (Irish), Nemo (English, German, and Italian), Neo (English and Italian), Nino (Italian), Numa (Italian), Nuno (Portuguese), Nuño (Spanish), Naum (German, Russian, and Slavic), Nenne (Scandinavian), Nisse (Scandinavian), Noam (English and Hebrew), Noe (English), Noé (French), and Noë (French)."
09:24:14 <sbp> well, Welsh at least. dunno about Cornish, Bretonish, and Manx
09:24:33 <nslater> nothing about welsh
09:25:41 <jessica> Cornish has got to be the craziest language ever spoken by white people. - Television without pity
09:26:11 <nslater> if there's a welsh bible, wouldnt my name be translated in it?
09:26:12 <jessica> I'm wondering what to do with the second copy I have of the lovely grammar book, English as She is Spoke.
09:26:54 <nslater> .title http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080720223325AANDfxI
09:26:56 <phenny> nslater: What are some good names to go with noah that have something to do with water ?? - Yahoo! Answers
09:26:59 <sbp> nslater: yeah, can't find a Welsh version of Noah
09:27:02 <sbp> though I did find this:
09:27:04 <nslater> "i plan to get pregnant actually by the beach, so i want a name that would fit the water theme. any ideas ?? i know this may sound crazy, but its cool for us since we live by the beach. we want noah as the first name."
09:27:07 <sbp> “One of the most famous was the former miner and writer, Noah M. Jones, whose bardic name "Cymro Gwyllt" (Wild Welshman) suggests a much different ...”
09:27:13 <nslater> "fit the water theme"
09:27:38 <jessica> "Was I found, in a handbag, in the Left Luggage Office at Fenchurch Street Station?"
09:27:55 <jessica> "And the answer is no. I was conceived there."
09:28:13 <jessica> "In the Left Luggage Office?" "No. In the ticket queue. They refuse to elaborate."
09:28:58 <nslater> sbp: that's pretty interesting
09:29:05 <jessica> Speaking as someone who has actually given birth, I don't think I distinguished the act of conception from, ahem, all the trial runs, nor made it more ceremonious in any way, nslater.
09:29:56 <sbp> --
09:29:56 <sbp> Top Tennessee baby names for 2007 | KnoxViews
09:29:56 <sbp> 2 Jan 2008 ... R. Neal's blog · Printer friendly version ... When he was named Noah it was oh so unusual..... pgs .... in the poor child's name, so you wind up with some pseudo-Welsh, acid-inspired construction like Mykyly or Jyrdyn. ...
09:29:58 <sbp> --
09:30:02 <nslater> mine was, as I know it's date
09:30:15 *** xover changed the topic to: "Vikings, English French Vikings, and American English French Vikings; and undomesticated Welshmen"
09:30:18 <nslater> my mum emailed me on may day wishing me a happy existance day :p
09:30:35 <nslater> sbp: heh
09:30:38 <jessica> Oh dear gods, did she have to tell you?
09:30:50 <nslater> well, people say that to me, but I don't see what the big deal is
09:31:01 * jessica now has the pop song that America was just burdened with in her head: "Mother lover"
09:31:03 <nslater> so my mum had to get laid in order to have me. like I didn't already know that?
09:31:26 <nslater> as far as imagining things go, imaginging the actual birth is far more horrific
09:31:32 <jessica> Right, but, well. It puts me in mind of the Protestants in Monty Python's Meaning of Life.
09:31:48 <jessica> "Well, it's the same for us, Harry. We have two children, and we've had sexual intercourse twice!"
09:31:53 <nslater> well, whatever. heh, I like knowing I was conceived on may day
09:32:15 <nslater> it's always been quite aucpicious for me
09:32:26 <jessica> truth be told, my daughter must have been conceived around then, but that's more to do with accident of the calendar rather than any solidarity with the oppressed working classes.
09:32:35 <nslater> sbp: like I said a bit ago, wouldn't a welsh bible have a translation of my name?
09:32:57 <sbp> mebs
09:33:15 <nslater> yeah, I doubt my mum had me to in celebration of left wing politics
09:34:27 <sbp> [[[
09:34:28 <sbp> 37 Bydd hi yr un fath ag oedd ni yn amser Noa pan fydda i, Mab y Dyn, yn dod yn ôl.
09:34:33 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.beibl.net/darllenacastudio/darllenacastudio.php?dangos=pennod&llyfr=llyfr_mathew&pennod=24&astudio=ppp&class=dangosdyfyniadau#
09:34:34 <nslater> sbp: why the fascination with wales, anyway?
09:34:37 <sbp> so, Noa
09:34:44 <jessica> reading an interview with an American prison inmate. "What pisses you off about being in here?" "They put the dildo maker in the hole for supposedly making weapons. They were dildos, man!"
09:34:45 <nslater> cool!
09:34:52 <sbp> nslater: because we were talking about native Britons
09:34:54 <jessica> http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2002/02/22williams.html
09:35:00 <sbp> and the native Britons were the Welsh
09:35:04 <sbp> roughly speaking
09:35:09 <nslater> sbp: no no, I mean in general - beyond the context of this discussion
09:35:11 <sbp> Cornish too
09:35:25 <sbp> nslater: see Tolkien's essay on Welsh for some measure of explanation
09:35:30 <jessica> Everyone is from everywhere, is my estimation.
09:35:37 <nslater> k
09:36:58 <sbp> nslater: I'll try to find an online copy, 'ang on
09:37:18 <nslater> ta
09:39:00 <jessica> also, if any of you are interested:
09:39:02 <jessica> http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2002/04/01collins.html
09:39:14 <jessica> [[[
09:39:16 <jessica> A traveler's phrasebook of, as Twain described it, "miraculous stupidities," English was originally published in 1855 by two Portuguese scholars who apparently could not speak any English. Even worse, they didn't own an English-to-Portuguese dictionary. What they did have, though, was a Portuguese-to-French dictionary and a French-to-English dictionary. The result may be seen in two selections below from their "Dialogues" chapter.
09:39:28 <jessica> HUNTING AND FISHING
09:39:28 <jessica> by Jose da Fonseca and Pedro Carolino
09:39:28 <jessica> Dâ cáça.
09:39:28 <jessica> The hunting.
09:39:28 <jessica> There is it some game in this wood?
09:39:31 <jessica> Another time there was plenty some black beasts and thin game, but the poachers have killed almost all.
09:39:34 <jessica> Load ours guns.
09:39:36 <jessica> Look a hare who run! let do him to pursue for the hounds! it go one's self in the plonghed land.
09:39:39 <jessica> ]]]
09:40:26 <sbp> nslater: http://druidry.org/board/photos/englishandwelsh.pdf
09:41:01 <sbp> .gc site:swhack.com "English As She is Spoke"
09:41:02 <phenny> site:swhack.com "English As She is Spoke": 1
09:41:06 <sbp> .g site:swhack.com "English As She is Spoke"
09:41:06 <nslater> cool, thanks! will read later when im not so hung over
09:41:06 <phenny> sbp: http://swhack.com/logs/2005-04-11
09:41:12 <sbp> .gc site:swhack.com EASIS
09:41:13 <phenny> site:swhack.com EASIS: 0
09:41:26 <sbp> hmm. I put a version of EASIS online somewhere
09:41:29 <sbp> nslater: cools
09:46:11 <sbp> nslater: incidentally what I mean is that I thought something similar to what's expressed in this essay. not that this essay was an original factor
09:50:59 <nslater> ah, k
10:27:36 <sbp> hmm. Countryfile has sorta been subsumed into Country Tracks
10:27:53 <sbp> the old, classic Countryfile I mean
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16:51:48 <[bjoern]> I considered the Vikings in the topic to be a Eurovision reference, and so is the addition.
16:51:56 <[bjoern]> remind me in 15 minutes to !
16:52:02 <[bjoern]> no monty...
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17:06:22 <sbp> [bjoern]: it's gone 15 minutes!
17:06:34 <[bjoern]> thanks, I was just checking!
17:06:38 <sbp> wait, no it hasn't
17:06:41 <sbp> 15 minutes right now
17:06:43 <[bjoern]> yes it has
17:06:48 <sbp> oh, good
17:06:55 <sbp> [bjoern]: !
17:06:55 <[bjoern]> you and your fancy seconds
17:07:19 <sbp> we came fifth, not second
17:08:32 <[bjoern]> Oh look at me, I'm wearing a monocle and my british brain knows all about leap seconds!
17:10:27 <[bjoern]> So what did wogan say about the result?
17:12:23 <[bjoern]> we got points from portugal, bosnia, denmark, turkey, albania, norway, uk, belgium, macedonia, and the netherlands.
17:15:55 <[bjoern]> with two exceptions 0p votes for de,uk overlap
17:17:49 <[bjoern]> switzerland gave least amount of points to norway (2p)
17:18:25 <[bjoern]> you got 12 only from greece
17:18:30 <[bjoern]> nobody gave us more than 7
17:25:32 <[bjoern]> Mr T was quoted as saying "Peter Pan winning Eurovision is a disgrace to the man race. I pity the foo."
17:28:55 <[bjoern]> 'Graham Norton has admitted that he would happily take a pay cut to stay at the BBC. The Eurovision commentator's £5 million three-year deal with the broadcaster ends later this year, but he has told the Sunday Mirror that he is willing to a accept a lower salary as a result of the current financial climate.'
17:29:06 <sbp> haven't heard anything from Wogan!
17:29:13 <sbp> perhaps he doesn't care about it all any more
17:29:41 <sbp> .c 5/3
17:29:42 <phenny> 5 / 3 = 1.66666667
17:29:52 <[bjoern]> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/15/eurovision-song-contest-graham-norton-terry-wogan
17:29:54 <phenny> [bjoern]: Eurovision: Just don't start drinking too early, Terry Wogan tells Graham Norton | Media | guardian.co.uk
17:29:56 <[bjoern]> suggests otherwise
17:29:57 <sbp> ...he gets 1.6 million pounds for what he did last night?
17:30:12 <[bjoern]> I am not sure, perhaps he's all the rage all over bbc all year?
17:30:25 <sbp> oh, it's for all his stuff. okay, I see
17:30:36 <sbp> still, even then. 1.6m/year...
17:30:41 <Arnia> Why aren't they paid per programme?
17:30:57 <sbp> yeah, strange contract clause
17:30:58 <[bjoern]> perhaps they are but the article just summed it up?
17:31:11 <Arnia> Although this does explain why you seem to see the same presenters all the time in so many different programmes
17:32:18 <[bjoern]> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8054164.stm
17:32:19 <phenny> [bjoern]: BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Norton's Eurovision debut reviewed
17:32:35 <[bjoern]> he looks less (slightly) scary there than on wikipedia
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18:01:58 <sbp> .wik Uriah Heep
18:01:59 <phenny> "Uriah Heep is a fictional character created by Charles Dickens in his novel David Copperfield." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriah_Heep
18:03:14 <sbp> this article seems to pretty much conclude what I did
18:03:52 <[bjoern]> I'm not hungry.
18:05:51 <sbp> hmm, David Davis signed:
18:05:52 <sbp> [[[
18:05:53 <sbp> Conservative MP Douglas Carswell is to table a motion of no confidence in the Speaker on Monday and says he has half a dozen signatures, including those of senior Conservative David Davis as well as a number of Labour and Lib Dem MPs.
18:06:00 <sbp> ]]] — http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8054657.stm
18:07:21 <sbp> I don't think he'll resign
18:07:26 <sbp> even if there were a lot more pressure on him
18:07:51 <[bjoern]> but as many as half a dozen of people (of hundreds I presume) have no confidence in him!
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18:08:07 <sbp> heh, heh
18:09:49 <sbp> [bjoern]: both Labour and the Conservatives are saying "it's up to the house", though
18:10:21 <sbp> it's a weird position though
18:10:26 <sbp> the Speaker is the servant of the house
18:10:36 <sbp> yet he has the power to ignore the house's motion
18:10:56 <sbp> he's going to give a speech. that will presumably be very interesting either way
18:11:06 <[bjoern]> I suppose with a majority vote they could remove him?
18:11:19 <sbp> yes. but the Speaker controls what votes are held
18:11:27 <sbp> so...
18:11:37 <[bjoern]> But surely the house can override his judgement?
18:11:49 <sbp> nope, don't think so
18:12:03 <[bjoern]> You have a bug in your democracy.
18:12:10 <sbp> well, not de jure, but de facto they could do
18:12:34 <[bjoern]> Does it involve the Queen wearing a Ninja costume?
18:16:48 <sbp> not in recorded history
18:21:59 <sbp> someone's saying that he might say he won't stay on for the next parliament
18:22:06 <sbp> and that that'll be enough to appease people
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19:02:02 <[bjoern]> Good comparative study http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJs5ufzoAJ8 - I haven't read through the results though.
19:05:06 <sbp> “Sweet syrupy pop ditties are wrapped in silky synths, violins and catchy techno beats”
19:05:46 <[bjoern]> "we mexicans.....love psychedelices...trust me....but obviously there are exceptions some dont like it...but they re less than us" "what are pshychedelices?Im mexican"
19:06:47 <[bjoern]> "Alizée always says that the Germans are her best fans..."
19:07:05 <[bjoern]> Well there are reasons for that. For one thing, we don't understand a word that you are saying.
19:07:56 <jessica> Bear in mind that Hunter S. Thompson's travelling companion in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was in fact a Mexican civil rights attorney.
19:08:09 <[bjoern]> Now trying to remember what I was going to do
19:16:07 <sbp> Hunter S. Thompson... he's not the black comedian, right/
19:16:13 <sbp> who's the black comedian?
19:16:48 <sbp> oh, Reginald D. Hunter
19:16:51 <sbp> he's hilarious
19:17:09 <[bjoern]> Henry S. Thompson is on the TAG if that's what you mean.
19:17:22 <[bjoern]> much lightning here
19:18:39 * sbp watches HIGABMNFY
19:19:20 <JibberJim> http://www.meteox.com/h.aspx?r=&jaar=-3&soort=lightning Not that much, unless you've moved to the balkans
19:19:42 <sbp> oh, it's Rolf Harris
19:21:11 <[bjoern]> MUCH thunderstorming
19:21:32 <JibberJim> would you trust some random internet site, or your own senses!
19:21:35 <sbp> you should try to harness it!
19:21:37 <sbp> harness the power!
19:21:39 <JibberJim> c'mon which is more likely to be true!
19:21:52 <[bjoern]> ~2km away
19:22:01 <sbp> you just need a long rod
19:22:06 <[bjoern]> room completely lights up with each one
19:22:07 <JibberJim> don't we all
19:22:16 <[bjoern]> usually 2-3 in one go
19:22:24 <[bjoern]> correction, more like 500m away
19:22:28 <[bjoern]> now anyway
19:23:11 <[bjoern]> It started when I installed Scheme
19:25:28 * jessica giggles at "Ambassador stages coup at U.N., issues long list of non-binding resolutions"
19:26:22 <sbp> "I think if you're going to be Speaker you should have a nice speaking voice..."
19:26:24 <sbp> - Andy Hamilton
19:27:24 <[bjoern]> the newer onion vids aren't that good indeed.
19:34:32 <jessica> I do like the idea of "he may yet aspire to more power, such as being the coach of a Little League team".
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20:11:24 <[bjoern]> what's the arithmetic mean of an empty set of integers?
20:11:35 <sbp> epsilon
20:11:47 <[bjoern]> scheme syntax for epsilon?
20:11:56 <sbp> or, for an even better joke:
20:11:59 <sbp> epsilonity
20:12:13 <sbp> (I presume you only wanted a joke)
20:12:28 <[bjoern]> You should have added some braces and weird punctuation for proper scheme syntax.
20:12:30 <sbp> .wik Nullity
20:12:31 <phenny> "Nullity (conflict), a legal declaration that no marriage had ever come into being" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullity
20:12:37 <sbp> .wik Nullity (number)
20:12:39 <phenny> "James Anderson is an academic staff member in the School of Systems Engineering at the University of Reading." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Anderson_(computer_scientist)
20:13:23 <sbp> well let's think
20:13:32 <sbp> sum(members) / cardinality
20:13:34 <sbp> so, 0 / 0
20:13:51 <[bjoern]> oh it's actually the empty list according to the assignment
20:13:57 <sbp> so actually yes, nullity (or NaN in IEEEEEE)
20:14:13 <sbp> cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Anderson_(computer_scientist)#Transreal_arithmetic_and_other_arithmetics
20:14:29 <[bjoern]> That did it,
20:14:30 <[bjoern]> (define (mean2 sum count rest)
20:14:30 <[bjoern]> (cond
20:14:30 <[bjoern]> ((null? rest) (if (> count 0) (/ sum count) '()))
20:14:30 <[bjoern]> ((number? (car rest))
20:14:30 <[bjoern]> (mean2 (+ sum (car rest)) (+ count 1) (cdr rest)))
20:14:31 <[bjoern]> (else (mean2 sum count (cdr rest)))))
20:15:45 <Tene> anyone know of any languages where library names can't be accurately represented by a list of strings?
20:16:19 <[bjoern]> There are few things that cannot be represented thus.
20:16:28 <sbp> wombles
20:25:46 <[bjoern]> Twitter user spotted in the wild http://www.mutantvehicle.com/images/yuri/event_photos/darth,%20chris%20and%20the%20brain%20slug.jpg
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20:29:08 <danja> nice topic [bjoern]
20:30:07 <[bjoern]> Someone else deserves 3/4 of the credit.
20:30:21 <sbp> two other people, in fact
20:30:32 <[bjoern]> You added the welshmen?
20:30:40 <sbp> nope, xover added the Welshmen
20:30:49 <[bjoern]> twisted!
20:30:57 <danja> good effort gentlemen
20:31:03 <sbp> just when you least expect him to
20:31:31 <[bjoern]> There is something about xover we expect the least?
20:32:06 <sbp> yeah, if he came in and said: <xover> good news everybody: I've given up coffee... and I feel great about it!
20:32:52 <[bjoern]> well so long as he's either on drugs, or not serious about it, ...
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20:37:57 <sbp> or just finally went completely mad
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20:56:03 <[bjoern]> Now the building has started vibrating
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20:57:33 <[bjoern]> http://www.movi.de/verkehr/vlb_askanplatz.phtml does not have good pix of it
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21:00:51 <[bjoern]> http://www.yr.no/nyheter/1.6594336 details how they manipulated eurovision votes. massives dishes.
21:01:42 <sbp> with oversized novelty model planes
21:02:44 <[bjoern]> Initial thought was that's how they fend off god's wrath over eurovision results.
21:02:54 <[bjoern]> but the plane did not fit in
21:06:03 <[bjoern]> .c 2!
21:06:03 <phenny> 2 ! = 2
21:11:03 <[bjoern]> .c (11 choose 2) - (10 * 11 / 2)
21:11:03 <phenny> (11 choose 2) - ((10 * 11) / 2) = 0
21:11:22 <[bjoern]> .c (19 choose 2) - (18 * 19 / 2)
21:11:22 <phenny> (19 choose 2) - ((18 * 19) / 2) = 0
22:06:32 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://www.qwantz.com/archive/001466.html
22:06:32 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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